Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1837

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>Remember to sage!
What, why?

諸君、がんばりたまえ
>>17526775
Common courtesy.

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Is reading Futaba a decent replacement for the "Read mangos and VN" meme? Easier to look words up.

>>17526791
Read the guide, there's nothing hard about looking up words in a VN.

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日本語分からないなら書き込むなよな

よう分かんなくても書き込み放題

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Thanks, everyone, I couldn't have done it without you all.

>>17527078
Congratulations. How long have you studied?

>>17527078
>N1
Congrats on your worthless diploma. I could write N1 and my name on a piece of toilet paper and it would be worth the same.

Come back when you have 1級 of 日本漢字能力検定

>>17527099
I know you're shitposting but kanken is literally worse less than nothing.

>>17527095
>WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE
あなたは褒めればできる子じゃないの？
寂しい・・・

>>17527078
Congrats dude. I look up to you. Don't mind the shitposter.

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>>17526751
最近は縦アニメが流行りだよ
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/タテアニメ
>>17526847
関西弁かい?
共通語「よく分からなくとも」→関西弁「よう分からんでも」

「良く」の音便が「よう」で、偶然合っているやん
>>17527095
まあ、東アジア系なら外見で見分けるのは難しいからな。
多分、そのgood jobは、「いいね」という感覚で使ったんだろ。

>>17527394
ノー　アイ　キャント　ユー　シチューピッド　ビッチ

Is it 席に着いて or 席に付いて? Both make sense in my head.

>>17527435
those are both real phrases so you're going to have to elaborate on what "it" is

>>17527435
席に座る

>>17527104
not the guy you quoted, but what other tests are better than both? I only know both and jcat

>>17527445
jlpt is fine just don't design your life around it language certifications are barely worth anything

>>17527435
席に憑く

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>>17527435
>>17527444
「席に座る」ことを「席に着く」と言います。サ変動詞「着席する」を用いる場合もあります。
一般に式典などでは、号令として「起立」と「着席」が用いられます。
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7gKUAp_gs
>>17527492
それは恐ろしい
多分、地縛霊でしょう
除霊が必要です
ちりーん!

> 2017/08/23: Imabi's beginner content is finally being rewritten. Tone down warnings against it.
amazing

>>17527549
今日 - imabi
明日 - meibi
昨日 - sakubi

>>17527568
someone needs to make a meibi now

>>17527573
I will, maybe.

Hey /djt/ards, who do some words have unnecessary お in the beginning?

All I can think of is it sounds more polite.

Examples:
お命
お上手

>>17527628
お＝御

What's the diffirence between これ and この?

>>17527634
o - norable

>>17527639
これ = this (unspecific)
この = this (specific/possesive)

これはペンです。
This is a pen.

このペンは凄いです。
This pen is great.

I hope you see the difference.

>>17527660
Thanks.

I'm just going to ask here because I have absolutely no clue how to go about doing this. Would anyone happen to know any scanlation groups that would be willing to work with someone who is self-described barely N3 level? I'd love to get some experience helping to translate manga (or anything really).

>>17527745
Just pick something that no one knows/cares about and ask on /a/ or /h/. I think you should at least give a word of warning to your potential readers, though.

>>17527745
Don't forget to post your translations here so we can have a laugh.

>>17527765
>>17527771
If I end up finding anything I'll definitely post here. I'm no doubt going to ask a lot of questions.

Tae Kim sure has some stupid explanations, but he's still nice to read on the shitter. (But it's best to read his 『shit』 after you've already encountered all the 〈patterns〉 in the wild).

i read that the japanese were adding readings to the kanji each time they took a trip to china

what i don't get is, was it because the reading of the kanji in china was changing as well?

Not the same anon as above, but I'm guessing from the responses that translating doujinshi is not particularly encouraged when you "only" know the meaning of roughly 90% of the dialogue.
My only defense is that most the stuff I translate is old and unlikely to ever get translated anyway, and it's not like I'm getting paid for it.

>>17527905
EOPs deserve the shit they're fed. Keep up the good work.

>>17527905
>>17527919
This.
We don't care, we won't need your translations.
The people that do don't notice the mistakes.

Win-win for everyone.

>>17527919
Not sure whether to take that as a compliment or not.
I mean it's not like you should at all rely on me to completely understand the source material (I am translating for a reason after all: for practice with the language, since I'll need to look up terms and words anyway) but while EOPs sure as fuck wouldn't know the difference between an accurate translation and a rewrite, I try to at least put my spirit into translating the nuance and meaning without trying to use cliched words or falling into literal translation tropes.
Oh boy, I'm making myself sound a lot better than I actually am. Shitsray shemass.

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At any rate, since when are EOPs picky about manga translations? The only time I ever see people complain about them is when translators leave their stupid peanut gallery comments all over their work like this. Other than that, it's not like they know how accurate the translation is.

>>17527882
http://www.imabi.net/onkun.htm
Read this if you're in the mood, basically chinese dudes from different parts of china from different eras came up and introduced their superior readings

>>17527953
>At any rate, since when are EOPs picky about manga translations?
I know they survive on tablescraps but it's not like translators can't be lazy cunts who put no effort into it. Sure, they have no responsibility to do so, but they also don't need to make their translation look like duwang had a hand in it.

>Other than that, it's not like they know how accurate the translation is.
I can only imagine how much fun it must be to translate anything with audio. If a character says モーニングコール then people are bound to shit themselves when it gets accurately translated to as "wakeup call."

I know people here like to mock EOPs, and personally I don't care about them either, but I find it disrespectful toward the artists. Almost every Onanie Master Kurosawa or Made in Abyss (well, not so much now that there's an anime adaptation) fan in the West reads garbage translations that somehow manage to fuck up basic sentences.

>>17527994
>not translating it as "moaning core"

>>17528001
That's a big part of why I'm learning moon. Seeing what Nintendo did to Fire Emblem Fates' translation was the last straw. It's not even that I really wanted to play the game, or that the original is significantly better. It's just that they made literally thousands of changes to the game for no reason, and I'd never even know the difference if it hadn't been shown to me firsthand. Blew me away.

>>17528015
>I'd never even know the difference if it hadn't been shown to me firsthand.
I don't particularly care for Fire Emblem, but I'm assuming that you're saying there's some kind of video or something that compares the changes. I'd be interested in seeing the differences just for a laugh.

>>17528015
Hah, I played that game on my jap 3DS months before it released here.

Was fun looking through the threads and seeing how different it was. Most of the time I didn't even know which characters people were talking about because of all the changed names.

what's a good lapse for learning new cards? I have 1 10 30 but I think it hasn't worked for me

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>>17528027
Some of it is pretty cringy.

The loli character is totally 18 *wink* *wink*

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>>17528027
From stupid shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgD2L4ucsLY

To literally rewriting the story to where the MC's child gets completely rejected by all 3 characters that he can fall in love with and marry. It's a total shitshow.

are people still rectal ravished over that shit
man what do you expect from nintendo of all companies
get over it

>>17528068
As I said in my original post, I'm not super interested in playing FE. But the fact remains that a big company completely rewrote a massive chunk of text in a game, and I don't want to deal with that in the future. Atlus did this to Persona 5, too, and don't even get me started on the shitty accents Square-Enix likes to put in their translations for no reason.

>>17528040
I have 1 5 10 but the numbers dont really actually matter unless you enable that option to make them matter

sorry i meant steps
>>17528095
what option?

>>17527882
There are three main types of 音読み that were imported from Chinese: 呉音（ごおん）　漢音（かんおん）　唐音（とうおん）

呉音 were the oldest readings and were imported to Japan originally through Buddhist texts (classical Chinese translations from Sanskrit or whatever). They are thought to be based on the pronunciation used around the capital of the Southern Dynasty at the time but the exact source is not clear. They may also have been brought to Japan through Korean sailors.

漢音 were readings that were brought back to Japan by emissaries sent to the Tang Dynasty to study Chinese readings during the Nara and early Heian periods. They are probably based on the pronunciation used around the capital Chang'an. These became the most commonly used 音読み today and compared to the other kinds they are the most regular. Because they were considered to be more accurate than the older original readings, those readings were given the name 呉音 (mistaken sound) at this time.

唐音 were readings that were imported even later from the Song Dynasty, starting in the Kamakura Period. They came from various sources, but especially monks who went to China to study Zen Buddhism during that time. These are the least commonly used readings, but they are also seen in some common everyday words like 椅子, 蒲団, 水団. They sound the closest to modern Chinese.

There are also 慣用音 readings that are 音読み but not actually Chinese, like the reading ちゃ for 茶.

行
呉音：　ぎょう　（ぎやう）　e.g. 諸行、行政
漢音：　こう　e.g. 進行、徐行、行為、施行、銀行
唐音：　あん e.g. 行火

>>17527078
Nice, congrats! Listening can be a bitch, glad to see you passed! :)

クッキーを食べたいたら買い出し行きましょう

>>17527095
As a courtesy.

Also, next time you're talking to a customer, keep in mind how out of place not using keigo might sound - taking into account of how he wouldn't assume you to speak Japanese at all and everything, I know, but still wanted to tell you to keep that in mind. Ganbare!

i just picked a random ln from my archive and it took me some time to find out it was Legend of the Galactic Heroes
have any of you guys read it?

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How is 覚える being conjugated here? I'm completely lost.

>>17528416
覚え (noun)
すら

is claymore worth reading

>>17528416
stem form (覚え) plus particle すら

>>17528420
>>17528423
God damn it I should have seen that. Thanks

>>17528068
I'd be more worried about people not caring about shitty localizations anymore.

>>17528513
but it was rampant since the beginning of video games if anything things have gotten a lot better

>>17528524
Dawg, it went from minor scenes like "Celes gets beat up" being removed and crosses being censored to full-blown entire chunks of the script, character arcs, etc. being rewritten. Sure there hasn't been anything as bad as what happened to Persona PSX, but it hasn't gotten better. I mean, fuck, sexualization of female characters is still being toned down for western audiences in fucking 2017. If you're okay with something like that, there's no convincing you.

>>17528640
i dont care about censoring or removing things so much as shit that impacts the script and readability/coherency
celes getting beat up was not at the beginning of text heavy videogames though the 32bit era jrpg craze was a bit of a reboot in terms of bringing shit to the west so theres a lot of bad apples there
also if you play anything licensed in the west by nintendo you should know what youre getting into and thus deserve no sympathy
pretty much every tl or localization sacrifices something but theres some pretty decently localized games out there all things considered as time has gone on

>>17528640
>full-blown entire chunks of the script, character arcs, etc. being rewritten
This impacts the experience and it's a bad localization.

>sexualization of female characters is still being toned down for western audiences
This, however, doesn't (unless it's a game like Senran Kagura).

>>17528688
Right. So I don't want to experience, say, Working Designs-tier "quality."

>>17528707
WD Lunar was better than the bland shit we got from XSeed with the PSP remake.

>>17528725
you cant please everyone dude
but luckily its easy to please the kids/teenagers the games are originally made for

>>17528725
Fortunately, by the end of my studies, I won't need either, because I'll get to enjoy the original that hasn't been touched by people who think they know better than the original creators.

>>17528706
They both impact the experience. If it didn't affect it all, they wouldn't go through the trouble of censoring it in the first place. It's no different than 90s shows excising the gay side character's crush, except championed by a different group of oversensitive retards.

>>17528798
you have to understand japan is a country with weird sex shit in the eyes of the rest of the world
some shit in that regard is going to be changed regardless in a localization done by a major company and rightfully so in many cases

>>17528823
Fire Emblem If had swimsuits removed. I don't think swimsuits qualify as "weird sex shit", unless you're some retarded American afraid of his own sexuality.

>>17528839
again nintendo nuff said

>>17528844
"Nuff said" my ass, faggot. Just admit you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

>>17528851
why do you want to fight just go examine the mentality of modern day nintendo europe or usa and come back when you understand
just because you dont know what im talking about doesnt mean i dont know what im talking about

>>17528862
If you actually think censoring and rewritting games for no reason is justifiable in "many cases" then no, you don't know what you're talking about. I'd actually like to see you list said "many cases", if you can.

>>17528879
Rewriting a story to suit your intended audience doesn't even need justifying. The only "justification" required is that you think it will get better sales / press. It's a company.

dear god thank you for blessing us with a buttblasted fire emblem fag whos angst is so fiery youd think it was day one all over again

>>17528905
It needs justifying if what we're discussing is the quality of the translation as opposed to the company's stock price.

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ACHIVEMENT GETTO: READ 1000 lines in a day

Dear god thank you for blessing us with an insufferable shitposter whose quality of posts is equal to a pile of cow dung.

>>17528879
i was talking only about censoring sexual themes there after i replied to the reply about sexualization of female characters is still being toned down for western audiences

>>17528941
>u mad xD
If you're so hellbent on defending shit translations, why don't you stop learning Japanese and go read them?

>>17528958
if its so bad why are you imitating it and to poorer effect no less

>>17528970
the thing is youre only seeing what you want to see here so theres not much that can be done to help you specifically

>>17528970
Simple, he's not actually learning Japanese.

>>17528950
It's a ``localization''. If in the Russian version of Little Red Riding Hood they decide the wolf should be a bear, and that at the end of the story the bear should eat the woodsman too, that's what happens. Don't like it? Lobby for a fan translation, or stop bitching and read the original.

>>17529003
>bear
made my day

おとこ まんこ

>>17528984
If anyone here is absolutely refusing to be objective, it's you, retard. What is even your point in this conversation? Like what are you trying to say? That it's fine if translators just do whatever the hell they want, because it's to be expected from Nintendo, but also, it's not as bad as it has been before, so I shouldn't care? Are you an idiot?

>>17529042
get out /r/Japancirclejerk

>>17529111
釣りやめて

>>17529104
what can i do with a guy that really thinks its the translators who hold all the power in producing a localization at a major company like nintendo

im not telling you what to care about though i think its cool that your heart burns so passionately to learn japanese so you can touch god upon deciphering the holy text of fire emblem

there was a fair amount of old man groaning that amounted to me saying kids these days and shaking my head but i didnt realize that was so out of place till i realized what you wanted to do was have some kind of spat with me

>>17529210
So your defense at this point is now "It's not the translators' fault that they have to make a bad translation?" To say nothing of the fact that I've mentioned several times at this point that FE is not what I'm interested in, and merely an example that you decided to hyperfixate on.

Additionally, your implication of "wow why do you care so much it's just fire emblem it's not even well written in the first place" is pretty fucking stupid-sounding in a thread that exists for the purpose of learning Japanese to consume otaku media. And another thing, quit trying to sound older than you are, it's only making you sound dumber than you are.

さて、そろそろ寝ようかな
やっすまたあっす

>>17529291
what do i even do with this guy who has 0 perspective and makes a bunch of assumptions he then projects at me
maybe i should see how people on gamefaqs handle it

>>17529291
fake otaku etc

i still don't get why 御（お）前　and 　貴様
are derogatory pronouns

these kanjis seems quite decent to me

>>17529527
おまえ is like "oh the one before me" and japanese culture says that japan is always first not last so its very offensive

I'm looking for a manga that is easy to read and has a compelling plot like Aku no Hana. I usually like slice of life stuff but they seem less fun when I have to slowly read through them. Something plot centric without too many shounen cliches would be nice.

Anyone know what なかんし at the end of a sentence is short for? I'm seeing google results but no one is spelling out what it means. It's after a verb, like 聞かなかんし or 読まなかんし. The し is probably to indicate a list, but I'm not sure about なかん.

>>17529570
なかった

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Why do you learn Japanese?
TELL ME!

>>17529606
I'll tell you when I have learned it.

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>>17529606
I'm half jap and didn't know much japanese

>>17529606
しねぇよ

>>17529606
I'm keeping a promise I made to the weeb I used to be 15 years ago.

>>17529614
Being half jap is less of a reason to learn Japanese because you can't impress Japanese people once you get good.

>>17529642
no it works the other way when he unexpectedly speaks english

>>17529649
but he's half English

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>>17529642
that's if i looked japanese

>>17529655
slut

>>17529655
just learn to freestyle rap battle and do it like lick-g then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8y3xILViWk

Started using anki last week, should I study 40-50 new cards a day (right now, 10 cards with the reviews in the morning/afternoon the other 30-40 in the evening/at night)?

I "review" cards with a rated: 1 filtered deck sometimes too.

>>17529824
Do as many as you can, only slow down if you're feeling overwhelmed.

>>17529824
Forgot to say that I'm using a Core 2k/6k deck

>>17529824
>40-50 new cards a day

lel

>半分顔を出したクリトリス
can someone enlighten me on this?

>>17529606
Because I like the idea of being able to read Japanese, although I don't actually enjoy reading.

>>17529824
You are going to get killed by reviews in a couple weeks.

>>17529606
とても楽しいぞ

>>17529879
half face turned up clitoris
why so lewd

This is great for listening practice, it has dual subs also:
https://youtu.be/aUtMwC2kHvw

>>17529642
To be honest, asians speaking japanese is not all that impressive to them either unless you let them know that you can speak another 4 language as well.

>>17530038
that's exactly what he said

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Is it normal for retention to drop? My number of correct cards dropped from ~73% to ~66% and I'm concerned I'm not gonna make it
I study one to two hours daily.

>>17530063
you might have hit a batch of new cards that are very unfamiliar or you're not grasping their usage fully
do some custom study sessions that review forgotten cards from the last 2 days

戦う takes the と particle when indicating who you're fighting against but how do you state what it is you're fighting over? Is it through the に particle?

がーいど

がーいど

にーほんごがいどー

>>17530005
このまえのミスドのひとだ

台湾のひとかなあ

Is it okay to take a day off kanji study to do grammar? I know I'm suppose to do both but I have been neglecting grammar and just focusing on vocabulary, I would do both but I feel like I would get overwhelmed, for now at least.

>>17530310
What does kanji study have to do with vocabulary? What are you doing?

>>17530328
I just assumed kanji was vocabulary, I guess I'm mistaken? I'm just doing anki right now

>>17530331
Post a picture of your flashcards.

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>>17530332

>>17530339
Yeah that's vocabulary. Keep doing that.

>>17530343
Ok

>>17530331
Kanji by themselves do not necessarily constitute words, it's the combination of them that's vocabulary

おなす

２０こ

２００えんでかってきた

なんのおなすりょうりがいいかな

How to pronounce 13000?
Is it Juu Man San Sen or Juu Sen San Sen?

>>17530489
じゅうさん[counter word]
If you want to avoid any potential confusion in case you don't have a counter word (e.g. you're just saying the number or something) you can add a ぴったり before it.

>>17530523
Actually I just realized that it would be pronounced まんせん[counter word] since 10,000 is its own number.
I need more coffee.

>>17530489
円なら「いちまんさんぜんえん」

なにをかぞえているかがもんだいだよ

にほんにきたら

ケロヨンおけ

おみやげにどう？

はずかしー

ケロヨンじゃないよ

ケロリンね

How to use
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ARqbAXpogY

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>>17529606
Because Japan has all the cute stuff.

are there any tips and resources for trying to figure out someones chickenscratch handwriting? are there any common shortcuts that people use when writing?

>>17530752
I've　ふぉうんd　てゃt　いf　ごおgぇ　tらんsぁて　どえsんt　ど　てぇ　じょb　てぇん　いts　のt　をrth　ぼてぇりんg

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>>17526751
少々　オブラート　にでも　包まん　と
他校の生徒が　怖じ気づいて
相手をして　くれん　ので　ね
>If I don't wrap them, students from other schools get too scared to fight me.

くれる -> くれない -> くれん
包む -> 包まない -> 包まん
those are abbrevations for ない right?

Guys, don't you know how to properly setup yomichan? It sometimes appears to show me possible translations in rather weird order, especially when you compare it with rikaisama.

Hey I'm barely starting to learn, I don't even have all the hiragana memorized yet but I'm learning a bit of grammar and I was wondering: is the sentence "otenki wa ii desu" correct or not?

>>17530768
reddit posting is my favorite meme

>>17530766
Using firefox btw.

I have passed N1 of the JLPT but realized I don't know the difference between ~くれる and ~もらう

>>17530768
>I don't even have all the hiragana memorized

stopped reading there

>>17530766
>>17530787
you have to use handbars or some shit, i gave up
yomichan spews so much crap into my cards that I dont need I have a portable firefox blocked from wan and disabled updates with just rikai/clipboard inserter.
It will be used entirely for mining until I don't need it anymore. Yomichan does a far better job of actually connected to anki, then shits the bed with the card styling, i dont get it

>>17530817
>spews so much crap into my cards
could you post an example? I'm just curious

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>>17530817
Well, I don't really use it create my cards automatically. The problem I have have with Yomichan, that it sometimes floods the results with some obscure stuff, even when you point it at something trivial like その

>>17530837
I'm aware that it was kind of coincidence here but such coincidences appear to happen much more frequently than with rikai.

>>17530844
* a coincidence

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>>17530828
here
>>17530837
yeah happening to me as well, at least on その
I guess the dictionary is wack

>>17530817
I always mined manually, even when I still used rikaisama.

There's just too much I want to edit by hand that auto import was even more impractical than just using my keyboard.

>>17530863
props to you, I couldn't do that. I mine ~200 words daily so it would be extremely painful

>>17529606
So I can play untranslated games, watch raw anime, read untranslated manga and maybe one day go to japan because why not?

>>17530866
Don't you have truly enormous backlog?

>>17530866
I mine ~20 per novel

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Are you guys aware of any kind of aliment that can help boost up retention ?
Sleep help, what about food ?

>お前はそんなに鏡気にしなくたって平気だろっ言いたかったんだよ」
i didnt need this many glottal stops in my life
>>17530907
>Sleep help, what about food ?
eat more than 3 types, thats it
exercise shows bdnf improvements
caffeine is a cheap stimulant in the morning for wakefulness
modafinil is illegal without a script

>>17530876
I do, but I imagine it will slowly get smaller over time.
>>17530907
fish oil some say

>>17530917
What's your criteria for mining where you mine 200 words a day? I generally only mine words I don't see often (or at all) that guessed incorrectly upon seeing, words with new kanji, and words/phrases with tricky readings. It makes the deck a fair bit more challenging to have a high retention on, but I'd rather that than have a ton more reviews/new cards to sift through that I don't need flashcards for.

>>17528003
who are you quoting??

>>17530932
I mine almost everything. If it's a word with familiar kanji and clear meaning, I don't mine it, though. If I can read it on my first time seeing it in Anki (which is quite a bit later than my first encounter mining the word), then I delete it.

Keep in mind I'm only at 648 mature and 783 young cards.

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Is my handwriting too shit to into hiragana?

>>17530976
Nice wheelchair drawings :)

>>17530976
yes. do proper strokeorder and position. less examples and do them with proper focus.

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さっきのマントにー
どんな細工がしてあったか
知らねえがー
もはや半裸となった今ー
載りの布も　こま切れにして
弾け飛ぶがいい

>I dunno what you were hiding in the cloak, but now that you're half-naked, I'm gonna rip what little fabric remains to shreds and send you flying!

i dont get what the さっき　does right at the start.

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>>17530996
>>17530997
what about now

>>17531013
先

>>17531019
If you have graph paper, you might as well try to write the letters in little 2x2 squares ganbare oniichan

>>17530907
Exercise 3 times a week and eat fish.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166223609000563

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>>17531019
a bit better. but it shows your impatience.

i tell you from expirience. the more time you invest now into proper form that anchors in your subconsciousness the more time and frustration you will save later when you try to get it back on track.

pretty hiragana is also the best basis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z20j1wXrF5E&t=20s&spfreload=10
watch this. its great in every aspect.

>>17531056
thanks senpai

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>>17530907
>Brew up: Peppermint tea and rosemary are found to 'significantly' improve long term memory in adults

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3560662/Brew-Peppermint-tea-rosemary-significantly-improve-long-term-memory-adults.html

>>17530976
すごーい

だいたいよめるよ

左上は「わ」だね

右下はよめないよ

>>17531066
>famm filters to "senpai"

for what purpose

i thought this was only on /v/

>>17531019
もうちょっとやってみよ

「お」は「よ」とまちがわないように

もうちょっとまげてみよ

てさぁ、お前らも感じてる？今日
よく言い表すことできへんが、ここの天気のせいとか眠りが足りへんかったかな

>>17531021
i still dont get it

先 さき (n,adj-no,n-suf,pref) previous; prior; former; first; earlier; some time ago; preceding; point (e.g. pencil); tip; end; nozzle; head (of a line); front; ahead; the other side; the future; hereafter; (P)

先のマントに

i cant derive any meaning from this

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>>17531078
Thank you. How does this look

>>17531101
さっきのマント

-> The cloak from before

-> The cloak you wore before you got half-naked

>>17531105
「か」も「や」と

にてるよ

てがきできるあのんがすき

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>>17531106
aaaaaaah.

分かった。ありがとうございます

>>17531110
"I am up.

I like to have a postcard"

???

>>17531105
Ugly き, just look up how to write letters instead of posting your scribbles here, because this is embarassing

>>17531114
破廉恥！

>>17530907
After I started exercising and taking Omega3 + Omega6 supplements every day my mind fog finally went away. Also don't cut on sleep.

>>17527078
Well done anon, I'm proud of you.

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Name one good Japanese swear word that doesn't involve kuso.

>>17531244
畜生！

>>17531244
あばずれ

>>17531244
在日
毛唐

>>17531244
中国人

>>17531244
不束者

>>17531244
Kokujin

>>17531244
is くたばれ ok

>>17531244
鈍感
ザコ
ブス
ウヌ
戯け
and the very best
リア充

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Could someone please tell me what kanji this is?

I can't get it with OCR or hand writing.

>>17531498
絶

>>17531500
Thank you.
I appreciate it.

That font in the image looks pretty different compared to how it shows up in other places.

>>17531498
here you go bro use this http://ce.linedict.com it works like magic

>>17531505
Does it look like 絶? If so you are using a chinese font instead of a japanese one.

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>>17531514
for difference see this image

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>>17531514
>>17531527
Huh, I guess I need to change my browser's font.
Thank you for the heads up.

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At long last, I finished reading a VN completely. I've read a route or two from VNs before but this is the first time I read one fully. Feels like reading the equivalent of 5 books or something.

>>17531586
congrats

>>17531249
>>17531311
>>17531346
>>17531352
>>17531356
>>17531385
>>17531428
>>17531434
All of these don't sound insulting. Japanese can't swear for shit.

>>17531599
well thats because theyre not but like if you say 野郎 and roll your rs a whole bunch thats pretty sick and epic cursing

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>>17531586
ganbatta

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>>17526751
guys.. how long will we be able to use rikaisama?

how hard is transition and get everything running in the same way in yomichan or whatever the next thing is called?

i am quite reluctant to do it since it took me a whole while to get everything setup in rikaisama exactly as i want it.

>>17531665
Forever because I'm going to install portable Firefox and use it just for Rikai.

>>17531665
Yomi works great.

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>>17531665
>guys.. how long will we be able to use rikaisama?
Not long I think, even on firefox ESR apparently

>>17531665
I see three possible scenarios:
>Firefox gets forked to preserve the old add-on API, if it happens it should last indefinitely, or until the fork is abandoned.
>a passable alternative pops up and replaced Rikaisama, should last years, or until Firefox breaks compatibility with the new API.
>old Firefox is kept running (and not updating) through minor hacks (maybe in a VM), should last a few years, or until your favorite sites stop working right with the old browser or you get cybered up the ass due to out-of-date software.

>>17531527
Holy fuck my phone has the chink one in clover. What to do?

Is there some site where when I put some kanji into it site shows me what radicals does it consist of?

>>17531599
中国人 is quite offensive. If someone says I do mathematics like a Chinese person, then I interpret that as "you dont know math; you just memorized algorithms."

>>17531798
what part of that is swearing or foul language

>>17531794
jisho.org

Is the person maintaining the Cornucopia of Resources around? I fixed an error in the Just Kana deck and wanted to submit the revision.

>>17529527
I don't know about お前, but aiui 貴様 basically became derogatory because people kept using it sarcastically.

Something like, it's so unreasonably humble/respectful that you couldn't possibly use it seriously.

>>17531870
There's nothing particularly foul about sex words like "fuck" either, but people still get offended by them.

>>17531920
but theres words that get bleeped on television in japan because theyre vulgar so i think thats what he was originally going for no?

you can certainly use 中国人 in a hateful derogatory way but it by itself is still not foul my dude

お前 is going to get his fucking ass kicked if he doesn't shut the hell up

Honestly, the worst insults I've ever heard in my life have to be in Spanish, shit those guys are hardcore in the swearing game.

>>17530752
Something cute I've seen is people writing 魔 (and some other similar kanji, I think) as 广 with a katakana マ in the middle.

>>17531889
>Is the person maintaining the Cornucopia of Resources around?
>person

>>17531939
after getting tuckered out they curl up under all that shade they been slingin all day and take a siesta

>>17531963
ん？

Whoever owns the djtguide neocities .

at least it's not as dead as /sci/ guide

>>17531920
Words are foul or not depending on the images they associate with. If I said "I'm going to fuck you up" that probably wouldn't call you to imagine a particularly pleasant experience.

I'm starting to learn, should I bother learning how to write? And also, is the DJT guide up to date?

>>17531680
Don't you sometimes find the order of possible translations kind of weird? (>>17530837 )

I have trouble when I try to use both Japanese<>English dictionary and name dictionary

>>17532173
Give the name dictionary a lower priority in the settings.

>>17532200
we've been over this before, it doesn't fix it when the name is longer than the first real word

>>17532142
>should I bother learning how to write?
Ask yourself, is there any situation where you would need/want to write in japanese? If the answer is yes, then learn it.

>>17532142
You can learn it if you want to, but it's tedious, so don't do it unless you have good reason.

>>17532209
Well, stop trying to mine dumb shit like その then.

>>17532228
i'm not him dude and that's not a real answer, fix your shit or fuck off

>>17532231
Well, stop trying to mine dumb shit like その then.

>>17532244
well stop trying to make assumptions about the people you're responding to then

>>17532244
i don't use yomichan. fix your shit or fuck off.

>>17532249
stop trying to mine dumb shit like その then.

>>17532258
i don't use yomichan. fix your shit or fuck off.

>>17532261
Well, stop trying to mine dumb shit like その then.

>>17532264
i don't use yomichan. fix your shit or fuck off.

>>17532265
Well then, stop trying to mine dumb shit like その then.

>>17532258
>>17532264
>>17532266
It's time to stop.

>>17532266
i don't use yomichan. fix your shit or fuck off.

>>17532228
>>17532244
I choose その as an example, because it's what I had in front of me when I was writing the post. Yomichan appears to have similar problems with many words written in kana, but even when it's word written in kanji, it sometimes chooses some longer names and stuff like that, which makes yomichan pain to use for me.

That's why I was asking whether there's something I have to setup correctly...

I've always just copypasted shit into a dictionary
What have I been doing with my life

>>17532267
>>17532269
yeah time to stop mining dumb shit like sono then

>>17532270
i honestly dont know what any of that stuff is i just saw an opportunity
id suggest just foregoing all that stuff so you dont get dependent on it

>>17532274
honestly youve probably benefitted more from that

>>17532274
Well, sometimes I wonder whether it's not better, as rikaichan/rikaisama/yomichan makes looking up words very easy and I don't seem to pay as much attention to them as I think I should.

>>17532277
>honestly youve probably benefitted more from that
As of late, I'm starting to think the same. While it may be more difficult, I think you pay more attention to the worlds themselves.

When using rikaisama, I sometimes don't really focus on composition of various kanji.

This is amusing:
http://japanese.hix05.com/Language_2/lang212.midare.html

"そうよねえ、幼馴染の女子にチンポ足でシゴかれちゃってるんだから."

I'm confused what the purpose of シゴかれちゃってる is here. Context is the girl speaking is giving a guy a footjob. Translating porn is a lot harder than I thought.

>>17532338
it's stroking or masturbation

>>17532338
>しごく
>to stroke; to work something hard; to masturbate

The passive form of that is しごかれる ("to be masturbated"). しまう is an auxilary verb which can mean "doing something completely", so you get

>しごかれてしまう
>to be completely masturbated

and いる indicates the state after the verb finishes

>しごかれてしまっている
>to have been completely masturbated

(both いる and しまう go after the 〜て form of a verb)

however, ている is commonly abbreviated to てる, and てしまう is commonly abbreviated to ちゃう, so you end up with

>しごからちゃってる
>to have been completely masturbated

>>17532385
>>17532394
Thank you. I had no idea why part of the word was in katakana.

>>17532406
to be more striking or as the kids like to say lewd

>>17532406
because カタカナ is クール

>>17530269
>Yotsuba-posting

>>17526751
https://www.memrise.com/course/258569/beginners-japanese-grammar-1-jlpt-n5-grammar/
https://www.memrise.com/course/348122/beginners-japanese-grammar-2-jlpt-n4-grammar/
https://www.memrise.com/course/997514/intermediate-japanese-grammar-1-jlpt-n3/

what do you guys think about those memrise grammar courses?

>>17532624
don't use grammar courses designed for tests.

>>17532624
I checked out the N3 one. Turns out I know everything. And I just applied for the N3 test the other day. Did I make the wrong choice?

>>17532628
why? it drills recognition and varations of grammar patterns into brain.

>>17532656
Muh natural learning through immersion
Muh too cool for school
Muh JLPT is just a complicated order form for toilet paper
Muh useless grammar patterns nobody ever speaks or writes

>>17532700
why are you responding to yourself

>>17532700
thats not exactly true but jlpt does a pretty good job of corralling you into the gaijin area while allowing effective communication

>>17532707
>corralling you into the gaijin area
How would you say it does that?

>>17527435
Why don't you do that hip thing?

オトゲを読むってゲイ？

僕は男

>>17532740
By being prejudiced because a bunch of dekinais take N5 and N4 each year and fail to pass the test. When someone reaches N3-N1, you can safely say they are learning Japanese seriously.

>>17526751
Assuming I spend an hour a day studying, how long do you think it would take to get to N2 level? I'm not in a rush so I don't really care if it takes a while, I just want to gauge how much time I should be spending each day.

>>17532809
>僕は男
ゲイと言えば当たり前やろ。そもそも女性がここに来へんやで
男ならオトゲを読めばめっちゃゲイやん

>>17532865
One to five years

How much have you read before being comfortable doing so?

>>17532895
More like like one to two. N2 is fucking easy as shit if you study for it.

>>17532906
>fucking easy as shit
calm down

I don't think a lot of people pass N2 after 365-730h of study, it may be possible but from what you can read on the net from people who passed on the N2 the average is closer to 3-4 years at a reasonable pace

Where I live, universities prepare students to take the N1 at year 4

>>17532962
What the fuck, how can people be so b-
>university
Figures

(unrelated anon)
>>17532962
>>17532982
I would say it greatly depends on people's priorities and how they spend their free time...

>>17532962
So, I should be studying 2 hours a day (at least) if I want to be passing N2 within 2 years?

>>17533023
More like 4 hours at least

>>17533023
You could be studying 30 minutes a day and as long as you weren't using the stupid watered down textbooks that language schools offer you'd be better off than university students.

>>17530757
あんｄ　てゃｔ’ｓ　ｗｈｙ　よう　かんｔ　ぇあｒｎ　じゃぱねせ

>>17533023
Just learn Japanese already. Stop learning about learning.

>>17531870
>>17531931
Swearing is a spook. You gain pleasure from using a language considered "illegal", thinking how cool and edgy you sound. Those are regular words and yet someone told you you can't use them. So you do, and you look for other words "acknowledged" as foul by other people. You're a slave. And probably underage.

Use words you deem worthy of using and use the language as means to communicate with others, not to fulfill your hedonistic surges of showing how "bad" you are.

>>17533114
Are you an ESL? Looking edgy is not the only reason why people swear. It's frequently used to put emphasis on words.

>>17533137
>swearwords only exist in English
Are you an American?

>>17533147
Nice strawman. I never implied that.

What's a good way to practice numbers?
If not written with standard numerals it takes me a second to process anything higher than 三 and when spoken I need to completely pause and figure out each numeral one by one.
I can remember normal words just fine strangely enough but the numerals are (no pun intended) doing a number on me.

>>17533150
Why did you ask if I'm an ESL?

>>17533114

Well, it is useful to know the social status of the words you use. Swearing for the sake of swearing is dumb, but so is being completely oblivious to whether or not the words you're using are considered "foul". I don't know how much that contradicts what you're saying, though.

That being said, I think that Japanese does have a different attitude towards swearing than English (and other western languages)?

In English, swear words like "fuck" and "cunt", etc, are considered taboo in their own right. It's not just rude to say "fuck you" at someone, merely uttering the word "fuck" in abstract is rude. I don't think that Japanese has this concept as much? It's extremely rude to call someone 貴様, but I don't know how rude it is to just say 貴様, in sentence like 「貴様」という言葉は悪いですよ。

Whereas I think saying, in English, "Fuck is a bad word" would be considered rude in many places.

>>17533152
Because maybe in your native language swear words are not used for putting emphasis. Although I've never seen a language like that.

>>17533154
I don't talk with Japanese people much but I'm sure that if you said ロリマンコ out of nowhere they'd look at you weird

>>17533114
i didnt ask for your opinion or projection on shit not related to foul language too nasty for tv

>>17533177
yeah i mean if you act like a retard thats prolly gonna happen

>>17533177
True. But I think if you'd get similar reactions in America if you said "little girl vagina", but I'm not sure I would call that a swearword.

>>17533192
I think まんこ's meaning is closer to "cunt" than "vagina". It's offensive enough that it gets censored in doujinshi (even if ironically).

>>17533177
ロリマンコ！！！
・・・と言うのはあかんやろな
ちょっと確かめてしたんだけやで
こうやれば問題へんや

>>17533154
You don't call someone 貴様, you refer to them as such. It's like a "you", you don't say "you're a 貴様". And it gets its value from being overly ironic, as this word was once a polite second person pronoun.
Western languages evolved with taboo nuances mostly around sex-related words being used, mostly because parents telling their children (and other adults telling minors) not to say them while using them themselves to rebel against their parents and adults they've met. It's a never ending chain.
Japanese grew with extremely high language diversity between politeness and rudeness, that's why you won't refer to yourself as 俺 while talking to the emperor. It's insulting, because you're implying you don't have to be polite to him. That's the same reason referring to someone by their name and using an honorific is more polite than using a pronoun or going full お前. Using less formal language while you're not on a higher social position is probably the most insulting thing, still more sophisticated than a language full of obscene words as used by common folk of the West.

>>17533234
tl;dr, kisama-dono

>>17533154
Like people have said earlier, there are definitely words that get censored in japanese. I think it just that the concept of a polite general manner of speech is relatively strong in japanese so you're more likely to bump into that first, whereas in english spoken etiquette is associated with all sorts of class war baggage which has long since ruined it's credibility, and so people only feel justified in objecting if you go all the way to the taboo words. That's my own dumb personal theory anyway.

>>17533165
You're only proving my point further. Do you have to use words considered obscene to put emphasis on something? It is used purely to stir up controversy and gain attention of people around you. You could've used any other word, by you chose to show how grown up you are.
>inb4 yeah, but it's stronger this way, and I don't want to sound like a faggot
If those words were not by their definition foul, you would prefer them. You prefer them, because subconsciously you feel superior to others by using them. Just because they told you shouldn't use them.

What is better, Heisig's Remembering the Kanji or Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course? Both seem to have a strong following online, and both groups seem ardent that their resource is better.

Additionally, what is the best way to use them?

>>17533263
I'm not the one who decides how language works. Swears are used to put emphasis, that's a fact. You can't change that. I, myself, don't enjoy using swears for no reason. But using them for emphasis is part of American culture and, by extent, Anglo culture in general.

>>17533209
>>17533255
I didn't know this, it's interesting. I haven't seen much word-censorship in Japanese, but maybe I've just been reading the wrong things.

And your personal theory sounds pretty believable, to be honest. I like it.

>>17533293
>Swears are used to put emphasis, that's a fact.
Yeah, I'm not arguing that. But I'm showing you a retarded reason WHY they are used as emphasis.

>>17533286
They're both things that will only slow you down, and should be used only as a last resort in the event that proper vocab study gives you zero results after a month or two of effort. Download anki and core2k.

>>17533300
You already changed the topic of disussion like 3 times mate. I have no idea what you're going on about at this point. Also, stop calling me stupid. It's really making your whole argument about maturity and political correctness lose credibility.

>>17533307
I do not know, pure KJT yields the result of allowing the learner to know, in under 3 months, all of the core kanji. Kodansha can also yield similar results. Of course, you won't know all of the readings or much vocab at all, but when you do begin to learn vocab, all you have to do is remember which one you put where, as you already know the kanji itself. Considering the relatively minor time investment, it seems like a great advantage. One essentially is able to acquire the advantage that Chinese learners have with learning Japanese in only a few months. Knowing the kanji and their general meaning is a great advantage.

>>17532899
>How much have you read before being comfortable doing so?

>>17533154
>and other western languages
In German, especially in bavaria and southern regions, swearing is just part of the language like everything else. No one really gets offended or cares if you swear.
But, if you elevate someone sarcastically like saying "the fine lady" or "master" people usually get really offended.

>>17533321
When did I call you stupid?

>>17533341
See, you changed the topic again

>>17533345
Now you went metatopic. Your previous post didn't really contribute anything to the discussion aside from "stop insulting me" (even though I didn't). The topic at hand is: swearing is edgy, even if used as emphasis. I'm not saying it's not used as emphasis, it is. But it's still edgy. When did I call you stupid?

Just started learning
What's the goddamn point of kanji when hira/katakana is phonetic? I don't write my name ◇ and expect you to know it's Louis.

>>17533351
It's only edgy depending on how easily offended you are. You are in the "very easily offended" spectrum.

>>17533357
Kanji is the filth of the Chinese flowing over into Japanese. No point to it, it just happened and it's unfortunately stuck as part of the language.

>>17533357
>Just started learning
Yeah, you can stop now. This whole thread is a meme, you fell for it.

>>17533335
This is really neat. It interesting to me how swearing/insults get treated varies from culture to culture.

The only other spoken languages I've studied for any amount of time are Spanish and Russian, and both were in a classroom setting, so I don't know much about those attitudes, unfortunately :/

>>17533362
That mindset is what makes kanji difficult. Turn it into something cool and enjoyable. I personally love them.

>>17533362
Don't they hate the chinese? I would have thought they would have weeded it out back in the '50s.

>>17533357
I'm sure that you could have a usable system without it, but kanji does make the sheer number of homophones a bit easier to deal with. Look at all the different things しょうせい can mean, for example.

>>17533365
Muh doujins

>>17533372
They tried a couple of times, but they were too stupid for it.
Like using romaji but without spaces and ridiculous stuff like that.

>>17533361
>You are in the "very easily offended" spectrum.
I'm not offended by any of this, just bothered by the fact people don't realize they use some words for purely hedonistic reasons. Words are words, say whatever you want. And if you say you put it purely to put emphasis on something - I believe you. It is indeed rooted in the structure of the language and does create strong emphasis. But I want to realize people why, because they often tend to forget that.

>>17533367
Even our folksongs have lots of swearing and vulgar jokes, it's just rooted in the culture.

>>17527639
The former is a demonstrative, the latter is a contraction of これの

>>17533434
>the latter is a contraction of これの
No, it's not.

>>17533365
一目瞭然だろ爆笑

>>17533332
I guess that's fair. I think people mostly dislike it because the current trend is "plow through a grammar guide in less than a week and then start reading."

>>17533475
>《代名詞「これ」＋格助詞「の」から》
wtf everything I know is a lie

>>17533548
It's a derivation, not a contraction.

>>17533553
is there a TK item for derivations? I'm taking the N5 this december and I need to know ASAP

>>17533332
Well, the problem is that many people tried RTK because they considered it absolutely necessary for studying Japanese and burned out doing it.

To me something similar happened and I put off studying grammar and proper vocab for too long and haven't finished RTK all the same. So after spending significant amount of time like this, I ended up knowing nothing but hiragana, katakana and 'meanings' of like ~1100 kanji which was useless on it's own.

The problem with RTK is that on it's own it doesn't bring you closer to understanding Japanese at all. Many propagated it as something to learn before learning even the most basic grammar and vocab and I believe that's not quite necessary.

>>17533603
However, I must admit that I'm considering learning proper radicals, both because of searching and making learning new kanji a little bit easier.

Is the 2k/6k course the same course? I downloaded the one off the guide. Is that just the 2k, or the 6k too? Is the 6k just the 4k that come after the 2k, or something else?

>>17533661
2k/6k is one course. It's just that after the first 2k, the vocab because much less broadly used. Lots of people seem to only do the first 2k, then mine vocab from reading.

>>17533762
Does 'mine' here simply mean learn from exposure, or making cards manually when encountering new words after that point?

>>17533766
The latter. This is all info that's in the guide, so if you haven't read that clearly and carefully, make sure you do.

習わしだから一応聞いただけ。全部上げるよ。

An angel just offered a choice to of 2 items to the MC and when he responded "i want both" she said this.

Is she saying she only asked in a general sense out of habit？or am i missing something

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>>17533879
はいどうぞ

>>17533885
習わしだから一応
聞いた
だけ