Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1836

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またわたしはゲイ

おはようおにいちゃん

なにがほしい？

>このちょっとバランスの崩れた顔つきは…
How would you interpret this?

A.「このちょっとバランスの崩れた」→「顔つき 」
B.「この」→「顔つき 」and 「ちょっとバランスの崩れた」→「顔つき」
C. このちょっと（した）バランスの崩れた顔つき

I could understand C, but if its not C, then I am stuck between A and B.

陰毛が生えない体質の方を好むよ。

>>17512710
この顔つきはちょっとバランスが崩れた

>>17512721
I almost laughed. My fault for using ellipses, I guess. The full sentence is 「このちょっとバランスの崩れた顔つきは、どこかで見た覚えがある。」

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>>17512710
A.

>>17512747
Is it because ちょっと modifies verbs (in this case: 崩れる) so この must be modifying バラナス ?

>>17512721
くっつきかたがふしぜんだよ

>この顔つきはちょっとバランスが崩れている

だよ

>>17512710
B is correct.

この　ちょっとバランスの崩れた　顔つきは

ちょっとバランスの崩れた　この　顔つきは

So both have the same meaning.

I've read a number of 'How to order things in Japanese' articles, but none of them seem to answer my question so I'm sorry to trouble you all.

Let's say I'm ordering donuts and I want two of one type of donut and one of another type. Is:

これ を ふたつ (pointing at one type of donut) が ひとつ (pointing at another) おねがい します

appropriate?

>>17512844
つうじないよ

>これとこれをひとつづつおねがいします

でつうじるよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

>>17512858
That gets him one and one. He wanted two and one.

>>17512863
>これをふたつとこれをひとつおねがいします

ごめんなさいまちがえましたわ

買ってお金を払おうとすると

>こちらナスをいってん、きゅうりをいってん、ピーマンが３てん、とうもろこしがいってん、ごうけいでぜいこみ１０３６円になります。１０５０円おあずかりいたします。こちら１４円のおかえしとレシートになります。まいどありがとうございます。またおこしくださいませ。

っていうような長いのが返ってくるよ。

あんきするひつようはないけど、ながいのが返ってきても、返事をしなくてもいいっておぼえてね

にほんにtipのぶんかはないので

tipを払おうとするとたぶんことわられるし

失礼になるとおもうよ

おにいちゃんならしってたよね

>>17512844
Just point at the first one and say つうううう with two fingers raised. Then point at the next one and say ワン with a clear voice and a finger pointing towards the heavens. It'll get the job done.

ある日...もしかしたら, 一目惚れ

そう...あのトンカツと..

>>17513012
愛してる

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>>17512632
ゲイのためなら女房も泣かす
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIAdITk82Hs
>>17512665
いもうと
>>17512710
ちょっと→崩れた
「ちょっと」は副詞なので用言にしか係りません
この→顔つき
「この」は指示語で体言に係ります

このちょっとバランスの崩れた顔つき=バランスがちょっと崩れた、この顔つき

>>17512844
これを二つに、それも一つ、お願いします。
or
これを二つと、それを一つ、お願いします。

「に」も使えるし「と」も使える。「と」を使う方が無難だけど、
女性は「に」を使い「～に～もお願い」ということもある
多分「～に(加えて)～も」という意識だと思う。
もしかしたら京都弁かもしれない。

「このポンデリングを二つにそのオールドファッションドも一つ、くださいな」
というように実際は言う。

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Daily reminder to keep the correct posture while learning Japanese.

You'll never make it if you use western furniture instead of sitting on the floor.

Save the money for textbooks! Also buy a futon while you're at it so you can dream like a Japanese.

>>17513330
I want to put tatami mats down in my room, but they're really expensive

アンキはカードの海のようだ。苦難はこの海から生じる。

>>17513336
>たたみ

たたみやさんがちかくにいないと

メンテ費がすごいかかる家具だよ

>>17513346
ふすまはどう

>>17513336
A 座布団 is good enough for protecting your knees.

You can use a yoga or gym mat underneath too.

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>>17513355
>>17513336
Never change, /jp/.

>>17513352
猫にやられる

>>17513352
ふすまはしつらえるのがそんなにたかくないよ

からかみをはりかえるのもそんなにたかくない

猫には弱いね

>>17513330
I already walk without shoes in the house. Isn't that enough?

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>>17513346
I explained once タタミ to a foreigner : it is the mat of the straw .
なんかグタグダやな
恥の多い人生を歩んできました
>>17513352
フスマ is the door which is made with paper..
やはりグダクダやな
恥の多い人生を歩んでいます
>>1751342
ふすま一枚隔てて眠るいもうとよ
この曲を貴女に捧げます
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCOl9y5NJlE

>TFW I think 'eh close enough' and hit correct on a card, but instantly regret it.

>>17513598
thats what ctrl z is for 盆暗

When I'm learning a kanji, all I need is the kunyomi, onyumi and the general english meaning right? I just need to memorize it and see it being used in an actual conversation to see what context it's used in

>>17513731
I wouldn't advise studying readings in isolation, since you'll pick them up naturally from exposure, and a lot of kanji are hard to assign an English meaning to (or have multiple/imprecise meanings). Just learn common words that use the kanji.

>>17513731
There are two approaches to learning kanji

Learn through vocabulary compounds by reading

Study in isolation with a mnemonic system (Remembering the Kanji, Kanji Learner's Course)

A mnemonic course will make the kanji really stick in your head and help prevent you from mixing up similar characters in the future. If you want to write, it's also very helpful. If you are taking this approach, the best way to do it is Heisig's divide and conquer---do mnemonics for the 常用漢字 and then move on with your life. Basically only focus on beating those 2000 characters into your brain, and then when you are done you don't have to worry about it anymore and can move on with your studies and learning vocab. I'm doing that with KLC right now, just focusing on the mnemonics and writing and ignoring the vocabulary component. I'm doing 50-100 characters a day now and will hopefully be done within a month. I've found already that having a clear picture of the kanji in my brain, as well as it's component particles, massively improves my retention and ability to learn new words quickly.

Learning readings, however, is something you should only do through vocabulary. Memorizing the on and kun yomi readings is a waste of energy as you will naturally acquire them as you read and develop your knowledge.

Can someone explain 三方一両損 to me? I don't understand the definition in this https://kotobank.jp/word/%E4%B8%89%E6%96%B9%E4%B8%80%E4%B8%A1%E6%90%8D-514820

Why do you guys hate duolingo so much? Seems to me it's about the same structure as Genki except with more immersion. Sure the daily goals are laughably low, but you can just ignore them and keep going.

>>17513945
It's really autistic to write those sentences a thousand times.

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>>17513950

For those of you that asked: Yomichan now supports the RikaiCake (KireiCake) dictionary

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>>17513806
>There are two approaches to learning kanji
There's more you didn't mention, which is what I did, and would advise people against in light of my experience doing it.

I took the KKLC book, ignored the mnemonics (because the ones in the book are just shit and I didn't like the idea of having stupid stories associated with all the kanji in any case), and just focused on the meanings given for each kanji. I went through the 'course' at a pace of 20 characters a day (which, in retrospect, I think was too fast), making flashcards in Anki for them. For new characters, I simply wrote them out once while taking note of their meaning, then made a flashcard for them and reviewed them an hour later in Anki (along with the other kanji reviews scheduled for that day). When reviewing the kanji in Anki, my goal was to simply write out the character once when prompted by the keyword. It took me just under 4 months to finish.

I came to two unfortunate realisations a month or two later though.

1). Using English keywords/meanings for the kanji is a horrible idea. There are literally hundreds of kanji which mean virtually (or exactly) the same thing in English as at least one other kanji, which means you start mixing them all up. I've seen even people who used mnemonics complaining about this problem. Some examples:
塀、屏、柵、垣 - all "fence"
尋 and 伺 are both "inquire", while 糾 is "inquire into"
捕 and 捉 are both "catch", while 握 and 掴 mean "grasp" and 奪 means "seize"
索 means "search", while 探 means "probe, look for", 捜 means "look for", 査 means "look into", 覧 means "look over" and 視 means "look at"

This is just the tip of the iceberg. It's a fucking nightmare.

2). If you don't learn actual words the characters are used to write, they just start to drop like flies out of your long term (~2+ month) memory. Some time after finishing the deck, my retention, all of a sudden, started to plummet, and it was my supposedly mature cards which were the cause. I went from 95-98% retention every day very quickly down to ~85%, then ~75% and then ~65%. That was overall retention though; my mature retention went all the way down to 50%. What I noticed though was that the problem wasn't so bad for kanji where I knew words written with them, but for kanji which I didn't it started getting really bad.

After that experience, I dropped the deck because it just seemed hopeless to continue it.

I think that, if you're going to do rote, you've got to do it like a native. That is, when a native learns kanji, they are simply learning to write words which they already know. So instead of learning 水 as "water", for instance, you should instead first learn the word "みず" and then go from there and learn that 水 is how you write "みず".

Natives of Japan (and China, where many more characters are in common use) don't use mnemonics, so it must be possible to learn kanji (hanzi) without them, but the way I went about it was clearly deeply flawed.

>>17514064
Mnemonics work well enough. But they're not for everyone.

What is your favourite sounding word? I'm still a pleb but for some reason I really like 掲示板

What to do when a cute girl asks me to say something in Japanese? (I don't want to ask /int/)
マンコをペロペロしたい
Is this good?

>>17514105
宜しい

>>17514105
賢い

>>17514105
バナナ

>>17513896
E-J definition from the 研究社 EPWING dictionary:

さんぼういちりょうぞん【三方一両損】 [ローマ字](sanbōichiryōzon)
a ┏burden [cost] split three ways.
►三方一両損の決着を図る　try to find a solution in which ┏everyone shares the burden equally [no one suffers more than anyone else].


J-J definition from the 大辞林 EPWING dictionary:

さんぼう-いちりょうぞん ―バウイチリヤウ― 【三方一両損】
講談・落語の一。大岡政談物の一つで，無欲な職人二人の意地の張り合いを大岡越前守が巧みに裁くという筋。


J-J definition from the 広辞苑 EPWING dictionary:

さんぼう‐いちりょうぞん【三方一両損】‥バウ‥リヤウ‥
落語。3人がそれぞれ1両を損して、円満に事を納める話。大岡政談を元にし、大工が落とした3両入りの財布を、左官が拾い、両人が受け取らないので、大岡越前守が1両足して、両人に2両ずつ与えるというもの。


Hopefully one of those helps you.

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>>17514064
Post your deck. Here's mine in exchange, fellow kanji learner.

>>17514185
>>17514064
>After that experience, I dropped the deck because it just seemed hopeless to continue it.
Hell, I did not notice that. How far did you go?

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>>17514185
These are my final stats from when I dropped the deck.

What approach do you use to learning them?


>>17514194
I finished KKLC, so 2299 kanji (one of the "kanji" taught in KKLC is not a kanji). I think there were 3 kanji in KKLC which were taught as their traditional variants for some bizarre reason, so I learned the modern jouyou forms of those two, and then I learned 2 extra kanji (I was really hesitant about adding extra kanji to the deck before I felt like I'd "mastered" the current ones). Total should be

I'm going to start a new kanji deck soon, I'm just on the fence about how to go about it.

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Dear Clipboard Inserter Anon,

I am using Firefox ESR 52 and will be using it for a long time. I'm sure some others are doing the same. The 2 newer versions don't work on 52, but the old one does. Is it possible to change the compatibility so that Firefox will actually let people download it?

Luckily I had a backup from several months ago, so I could copy the old XPI file, but others probably aren't so lucky.

Thanks,
Anon

>>17514064
But exactly those "stupid stories" are what allow you to remember all those kanji.

>>17514214
>so I learned the modern jouyou forms of those two
too*

fucking hell, I can't even into my native language anymore


>Total should be
I don't know why I didn't finish this sentence. Total should be 2304, I think.

Convince me why not learn Chinese instead

>>17514214
>What approach do you use to learning them?
Mnemonics. If I additionally know at least one reading (usually when I know a word that has it), I go with "Easy".

>I think there were 3 kanji in KKLC which were taught as their traditional variants for some bizarre reason
Watch out, those traditional ones are certified as "normal form" by the Ministry of Education (with the simplified form allowed as a variant). There were two of them (or maybe three? I know there was 呑 instead 吞, the first one is a hyougai), one of them is 塡 (simplified variant form 填 - not jouyou) and I can't remember the second one. I mined both traditional forms and simplified forms. When I add a new kanji - I usually add variants as well. Also, the ones with borders in the "Probably Chinese" section are the CJK Compatibility Ideographs - the grid addon hides them by default. They usually vary by one or two strokes.

>>17514237
Like I say, natives do it without mnemonics, so it must be possible if you do it correctly. I obviously didn't.

Well, it's not like I've forgotten all the kanji anyhow. I can still recognise, and probably write, a lot of them, especially those corresponding to actual Japanese words I knew/know. It's just that there were so many which had dropped out of my memory that I decided continuing the approach I had been was futile.

>>17514258
Those "probably chinese" ones in my kanji grid are the traditional variants I was talking about.

>>17514252
If you're more interested in China and Chinese media, then learn Chinese.

>>17514270
Oh, sorry. Yeah, I'm sure about 塡 and 剝 - they are listed in the jouyou list, not sure about 頰. I might look into it later.

My current goal is filling the entire Level Pre-1 and Level 1. I'm trying to get all jinmeiyou first along with some hyougai I got from running a character counter on Fate/stay night. When I get all of the kanken kanji, I'm going after full JIS.

is there a script I could use on the djt kana page to have the stroke order play automatically?

>>17514252
Any Chinese content worth consuming is just a copy of something from Japan.

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>>17514284
>>17514270
Also, here's an example of 剝 - used in Sword Art Online volume 1.

>>17514252
Convince me why learn Chinese instead

>>17514284
I'm not really concerned with filling in lists, so much. My goal right now is just learning whatever happens to show up in my reading. If I fill out the jouyou or jinmeiyou lists in doing so, that would be nice, but I'm not deliberately aiming for it or anything.

Though like I say, I'm still unsure about what approach to take from here. I know for a fact that mnemonics will be a complete waste of time for several hundred kanji which I solidly know without issue or only ever had problems with because of mixing them up with other kanji with similar/the same English keywords when reviewing them in Anki. It also feels weird after learning so many characters through rote to all of a sudden start using mnemonics for the others. It's going to create this weird split in my knowledge between rote-learned kanji and mnemonic-learned kanji.

I think from here on out I'm going to try the native approach and just learn kanji for words I know. Learn a word - learn to write it. Like that. I think. I'm also thinking of adding in readings as I learn them, but maybe I'll have a separate deck for that. I dunno.


Oh, another problem I forgot to mention before is the order in which kanji are taught in these mnemonic systems. That fucked me up big time. Teaching a bunch of kanji in a row which are all written with, for example, the 貝 radical on the right just led to them all blending together in my memory, and I was still mixing them up even a month after first learning them.

>>17514261
Natives need 6-9 years of school to do it though

>>17514350
Well, I like filling lists in general, kinda consider getting full kanken as an unlockable achievement I gotta get.

Regarding mnemonics: if I see a conflicting one I usually look up words containing them and look at the differences in usage. There usually are some and I try to separate them as much as I can, sometimes even using actual words they're in as mnemonics.

>I think from here on out I'm going to try the native approach and just learn kanji for words I know. Learn a word - learn to write it. Like that. I think. I'm also thinking of adding in readings as I learn them, but maybe I'll have a separate deck for that. I dunno.
I had a similar plan: I wanted to create a deck with words, using every kanji I have in my primary deck for every reading I know of (for example, こ is not usually listed as a reading for 木, but it is used in e.g. 木匠). This way I could learn the readings without associating sounds with kanji, but instead with meanings - which was the way I've been learning everything else.

I'm also trying to get as many kanji as I can, because I actually like them. The way they are constructed, the way they change in variant forms, the way they are used in edgy LNs/VNs instead of regular ones and so on. That's why I keep a separate deck for them. I'm still waiting for the Unicode Consortium to add missing kokuji into the set. After that I'll probably compile Anki myself, as there is a problem with 4-byte UCS on the default Windows build (Python supporting 2-byte ones by default) and I can't get higher Unicode planes to appear properly on the grid. And they are stupidly shifted to the left when rendered on the card, because Anki thinks it's actually two characters instead of one. You can't have 'em all, I guess.

>>17514355
They're learning other stuff at the same time though. They can't afford to spend all their energy just learning kanji when they've also got history, science, maths and so on to study for and do exams on.

Steve Kaufmann says he learned 4000 hanzi in 8 months, well enough to take a written exam to test his knowledge of them, long before RTK was ever a thing.

>>17514417
>And they are stupidly shifted to the left when rendered on the card, because Anki thinks it's actually two characters instead of one.
Ah, I noticed that happening with some radicals and couldn't understand what was causing it. So that's what it was...

Well, if it makes you feel any better, the Linux version of Anki has the same problem.

>>17514483
>Well, if it makes you feel any better, the Linux version of Anki has the same problem.
I still have no idea why the default configuration is literally "only allow the first 65536 Unicode characters, no one will use the rest anyway".

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>>17514299

>>17514299
t. ultraweeb

>>17514512
>three kingdoms
>four people

>>17514562
jokes on you its the same person

Can someone help direct me where I can find a DL for Axanael?

>>17514671
>>>guide

>>17514688
The rooskie torrents scare me.

>really good at japanese
>still mix up hyaku, man and sen

why is japanese so stupid

>>17514702

c'mon, 百 is pretty easy since it is pretty close to 音読み of 白

>>17514733
>implying he got that far

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>About to take N1
>Reset all decks and work my way back up from N5 to make sure I miss NOTHING
>Get to the humungous stack of N3
>One third
>Literally one third
>Of 2500 cards
>Is english words
>Not even loan words
>Straight up english words with the same pronunciation, meaning and nuance

I just wish there was an option to turn all of these off
My thumb is getting cramps just powerclicking through these endless stacks of vocab I don't really need to learn

>>17514863
Should've just read more. Hope you fail!

>>17514112
I see you are a fellow Pink Guy connoisseur

>>17514891
>Should've just read more.
How does that relate to N3 being full of english terms in any way whatsoever?

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What is the connotation of,

よろしければ、<etc. etc.>

Is it assertive or a sort of pussy language?

If I said,
よろしければ、手を握ろう
is it like saying please or like saying let's do it?

死ねばええほど忙しい気がするやぁ

>>17514903
前者だと思うや

>>17514903
It's more like "If that's okay with you"

>>17514863
Press delete while reviewing and the card is gone. Yes, it makes bragging with your deck size/stats harder, but you won't waste any more time on those cards.

>>17514952
I already do that, but still
It's annoying to have to wade through all this
Reviewing stuff you already know is already boring enough on its own, being bogged down by words that aren't even Japanese only makes it worse

>>17514698
Russians are responsible for a lot of torrents even on Western sites.

The way software torrents often work is that Chinks crack the software, then Russians package it into a torrent.

If you read the torrent descriptions for video games in particular, you will often come across Runglish, and sometimes the installer bundled in the torrent will even have a Russian language option.

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why don't japs use normal numbers i just thought go was sen which i thought was man i have 254 mature words

254!

how do i become better? srs answers only

>>17514982
It sounds like your memory is so bad that in two cards you'll know 0 words

just deleted rikaichan lads

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>>17514982
>254

>>17514064
>tfw total beginner that thought learning kanji before actual beyond basic vocab was a good idea
Your story sounds convincing せんぱい , I'll anki my shit up with some more jp vocab, it sounds more logical to first learn the word and then learn to simplifiy it down to just one or two characters

>>17514982
>why don't japs use normal numbers
They do.
>i just thought 五 was 千 which i thought was 万
Those don't look even remotely similar. Just get used to it.
>i have 254 mature words
>254!
So what? You've barely even started scratching the surface.
I want to motivate you but if you think 254 mature words means anything and you're struggling on something as basic as numbers then all I can say is try harder.

>>17514982
This is honestly pretty sad. Just keep going, buddy. I'll root for you...

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Man, I don't wanna learn about Roberto-san and Ken-sans stupid surfing vacation. I want to learn what happened after Mary-san and Takeshi-san's failed date.

メアリーさんは、たけしが好きですね。

Just look at that guys magnificent jawline.

>>17515025
五 and 万 look similar and i just mix 千 and 万 (both reading and meaning)

obviously i don't think 254 means is a lot or means anything, but in any other language the numbers are the first, easiest words that you remember after the first day or two, not ones you have trouble with after weeks every time you encounter them

I don't know enough words to read and no reading = the only practice outside of anki is seeing kanji sometimes flash on screen during anime = no memory reinforcement = failure of the same word every few days

in anime with numbers you usually see them as "700円" or so so it's not like that helps anyway

>>17515103
Do a recognition-only radicals deck. Your brain doesn't understand that kanji aren't squiggles yet. That's your only problem.

>>17514958
Even if you're a fairly slow reader you should be able to manage 300 words per minute. For the volume you mentioned that's about 3 minutes, hardly a big timewaster.

>>17515153
>Even if you're a fairly slow reader you should be able to manage 300 words per minute
That's a completely made up bullshit number. The average native reader in English, where there are a lot of unnecessary word divisions, reads at around 200 words per minute. This isn't "hurr 50 percentile" average, it's the normal 2/3rds of people.

>>17515153
But disposing of cards isn't instant, nor is it comparable to the reading speed of reading a normal piece of writing.
You're much slower when you're reading one word at a time, since in normal reading your brain "cheats" all the time with stuff like autocompleting words or only reading the first and last letter.

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何も存在しない
かりに存在したとしても　知り得ない
知り得たとしても　人に伝えられない

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>>17515103
so far i have had more trouble with hiragana words than kanji because I can't come up with mnemonics for them like with pic related for example and words like 仕事 are simple because it's man-warrior (because working sucks but you soldier on) write (dull work)
some of the more complex ones i can't associate with radicals because they don't make obvious sense are starting to be difficult though

>>17515170
うるせー童貞

>>17515190
what the FUCK

Watching Touhou MMD is the best way to study.

What's your reading speed, DJT?
http://www.sokunousokudoku.net/hakarukun/

>School level
>Vertical / horizontal reading
>Results

>>17515410
2794文字/分

>>17515410
Forgot to mention that the average Japanese reading speed is between 400 and 600 文字/分

>>17515410
>中二
>たて読み
>207文字/分
How terrible am I?

>>17515410
>中学二年生
>よこ書き
>259文字/分
This is ignoring the words I didn't know, but understanding the general meaning of the text. I'm probably slower reading vertically too.

Does anyone have any advice for starting to read? The main thing I'm worried about is looking up grammar stuff. I've read Tae Kim and was planning to start reading To Love Ru and try to do 10-20 pages each night.

>>17515500
>I've read Tae Kim and was planning to start reading To Love Ru and try to do 10-20 pages each night.
Looking up grammar is hard but if you've internalized Tae Kim you should be able to read if you can deal with not understanding everything. Mostly you just want to power through it and read as much as possible, don't sweat it if you can't parse every sentence perfectly.

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So what pronoun should I use to refer to myself as a foreigner in Japan? I know '僕' is typically for little bitches and '私' is boring. Is '俺' acceptable to assert my dominance though or will people give me weird looks?

I'm 6'1" guy with a darker complexion and have been lifting most of my adult life, I think I can pull it off, right? Just don't want to come across as a bitch when I'm there.

>>17515544
use 吾輩

>>17515544
我輩

>>17515544
拙者

>>17515544
Use literally any or all of them. What's more important is that you use 敬語 when facing your boss or superiors.

>>17515544
learn how to talk without using them and avoid the meme shit altogether

>>17515544
あたくし

>>17515544
Refer to yourself as "yankee" so they know you're american and proud

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>>17515575
and use ですの and わよ

>>17515544
Why stop at 俺? Use 俺様 and let them know you're a big boy who doesn't follow the rules.

When you're still struggling at JLPT
someone else is learning jap to do university entrance exam
http://www.jasso.go.jp/sp/en/eju/examinee/pastpaper_sample.html

what are some decent site for N1 exercise
like http://japanesetest4you.com/category/jlpt-n1/

>>17515544

This is my only gripe with the Japanese language.

私 is too formal, can't use it on informal settings.
僕 sounds like you want a dick in your ass.
俺 sounds like you want to fight everyone in the room.

>>17515685
Calm down there, faggot. I think you've been watching too much anime.

>>17515685
do you really need to use pronouns that much

>>17515685
Ever heard of 自分, my N5 friend?

自分はゲイ

>>17515716

こちらこそれ言う

>>17515701

There are cases when it's inevitable.

>>17515708

Yes, that's the best option to use in a formal setting.

>>17515720

こそそれ＊

>>17514064
>>17514350
>I took the KKLC book, ignored the mnemonics (because the ones in the book are just shit and I didn't like the idea of having stupid stories associated with all the kanji in any case), and just focused on the meanings given for each kanji
>Teaching a bunch of kanji in a row which are all written with, for example, the 貝 radical on the right just led to them all blending together in my memory, and I was still mixing them up even a month after first learning them.
This is probably one of the funnier dumb stories I've read on /djt/. Doing KLC without mnemonics is like going to subway, asking for a veggie sandwich, and then going home and getting mad 3 hours later because you thought they forgot to put meat on your sandwich. The author specifically puts similar kanji together because the mnemonics for those characters are designed to help you remember them separately.

>>17515731
someones gonna freak out that you said /djt/ watch out

>finished core2k

Where do I claim my fresh Japanese pussy?

>>17515754
>>>/int/djt
They will help you

>>17515760
OK thanks

What's the point of this thread existing if we're just gonna link people crossboard to the DJT there?

Alright, I admit it, I'm retarded. But I can't find Twinkle Crusaders fucking anywhere. Everything's either unseeded or links to dead download pages. I can find the fan discs and the PSP game, but not the original or the remaster. Do you guys all buy your VNs or do I just not know the cool sites?

>>17515731
>Doing KLC without mnemonics
I wasn't "doing KLC without mnemonics" exactly. My intention was just to use KLC as a kanji dictionary, basically. While I was at it, I figured I may as well just learn the kanji in the order that they appeared in the book because I didn't foresee the problem that was going to arise from doing so.

And I wasn't blaming the book itself for the problem you quoted. Reading it back, it does indeed sound like I was, but it wasn't my intention for it to come across that way when I wrote it. I was simply stating that trying to learn the kanji in the order in which they're presented in mnemonic systems is really bad for someone not using mnemonics.

>>17515780
I hope you're searching for the title in japanese.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:19ce19289d1abf212ac0e440f321bbd38a7692e0&dn=%e3%83%86%e3%82%a3%e3%83%b3%e3%82%af%e3%83%ab%e2%98%86%e3%81%8f%e3%82%8b%e3%81%9b%e3%81%84%e3%81%a0%e3%83%bc%e3%81%99&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.doko.moe%3a6969&tr=http%3a%2f%2fsukebei.tracker.wf%3a8888%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.zer0day.to%3a1337%2fannounce

>>17515780
What >>17515785 said.

For finding raw VNs on Sukebei, you usually have to search the Japanese title (which you can find on the VN's vndb.org page).

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I got a prompt to update to the latest Anki release, and checked out up the change log. Pic related, does that mean people were able to make decks that could potentially execute code outside of Anki, like how people sneak randomware, etc. into otherwise innocent files?

Can anyone recommend me stuff to read for beginners aside from Yotsubato?

Preferably not VN cause installing those is a pain in the ass.

>>17515813
sorry but this isnt the english reading comprehension thread

or the japanese one for that matter

>>17515819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLMfvVO0Cs

>>17515819
黒 doesn't have furigana but the scans are good enough for kanjitomo or OCR manga reader. I'd say it is more straightforward than Yotsubato.
https://mega.nz/#F!BcJRwZJC!_oSXZsXhCemPeFQK8nEdNg

>>17515823
What's your problem?

>>17515754
>>17515778
This thread tries to make every post useful, /int/ is the less serious one for telling about your daily Japanese study life. Has more dekinai.
>>17515685
Have you watched Japanese tv? All these you say fall apart when you do.
>>17515544
You sound like ワシ man but use this >>17515610 too.

>>17515819
Go to your favorite booru then go to your favorite series, and read fanart comics. Or if you like touhou, go read the written works easy since they have furigana. Keep a dictionary handy and don't get frustrated you know.

>>17515831

Thanks.

>>17515785
>>17515790
Thanks a lot. I thought I searched in Japanese too, but I'll make sure to keep that in mind for the future just in case I was totally retarded instead of just mostly retarded.

>>17515837
Two other series I'd suggest are しろくまカフェ and ふらいんぐうぃっち.
https://mega.nz/#F!wQoT3QyJ!kdpoYXv5sHsZaucHF-83lw
https://mega.nz/#F!dVQSmbCC!Qwaq4rjb7PbppqqgohubyQ

>>17514105
輝き

>>17515850

What's the best program to read on windows?

>>17515863
Try your favourite image viewer alongside Kanjitomo. I only read manga with a tablet so can't really give you much advice there.
Quivi is nice for images and should work well for manga, but names like CD Display something or other and Honeyviewer are what I recall other anons posting more often.

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>>17514105
おっぱい

>>17514105
根暗

>>17514105
酔っ払う

>>17514105
空閨

>>17514105
壷洗い

>形だけでも謝罪は謝罪。
Why is 謝罪 repeated here?

>>17514105
寒がりや
Sounds so cash

>>17514105
閉鎖空間

>>17515950
an apology is an apology

What is better, Heisig's Remembering the Kanji or Wanikani? I am a serious learner who puts in 1-3 hours a day (depending on the day) of dedicated study, and plan to continue to do so.

>>17515950
a shitty apology is still an apology

Would living in a region where a non-standard form of the language is spoken have a negative impact on your own speech or would you learn to be able to switch between standard and dialect as appropriate?

>>17515972
>What is better, hundred-year-old moldy bread or mushroom soup made by someone who doesn't know how to tell poisonous mushrooms from nutritional ones?

>>17515972
>whats better a dick in my ass or a dick in my mouth

>>17516017
Then what do you recommend?

>>17516025
Reading the guide but ignoring the implication that kanji study is a safe first foray into building a vocabulary.

>>17515972
Try both for a fortnight and see which one you preferred. Flip a coin as to which one you try first.

>>17515972
if youre a serious learner like you say i recommend exiting this thread after taking what few useful things are in the guide and beginning an ajatt lifestyle

>>17516049
please stop namedropping the blog run by an actual nigerian prince as an ad for his actual silver spoon scam

>>17516028
Huh? Individual kanji study DOES help with vocabulary acquisition later on. Whether it's worth doing it instead of just focusing on learning more vocabulary is subjective.

>>17516054
>a safe first foray

>>17516054
Yes, for the 100 kanji that have meaningful isolated meanings, and for the fact that it makes kanji stop looking like scribbles. Learning 2000 kanji in isolation before you start learning vocabulary, however, is fucking retarded.

>>17516056
Yes, you told him to ignore that part. And it's perfectly safe.

>>17516059
It's not perfectly safe. I know more people who tried learning Japanese by doing isolated kanji study for three years and giving up because they couldn't read anything than I know people who approached anything close to fluency after starting out with isolated kanji study .

>>17516057
>Learning 2000 kanji in isolation before you start learning vocabulary
No one actually does that, though. People study individual kanji alongside studying vocabulary. Why does this strawman keep getting pushed, and for what purpose?

>>17516064
>I know more people who tried learning Japanese by doing isolated kanji study for three years
No you don't.

>>17516057
Learning 2000 kanji in preparation for the 25000+ words you'll need to learn anyway. It isn't a big number in the grand scheme of things.

>>17516066
>No you don't.
Yes, I do.

>>17516066
>No one actually does that, though.
Yes, they do, and you're fucking delusional if you refuse to observe all the people that tell their stories about going through that.

>>17516067
It is considering only around 4000-6000 of those words will come from intentional study.

>>17516066
Take a look at the Kanji Koohii forum and you'll see those kind of people.

>>17516072
This.

>>17516064
Heisig's Remembering the Kanji, if one commits to 20 or so a day, can be completed in 3-4 months. 20 x 100 = 2000.

Learning the meaning (it doesn't teach readings) of 20 kanji a day is not that hard.

vocaroo dot com slash questionmark upload

<- screenshot of some easy light novel or manga

>>17516070
Just because there's a Core6k deck? That's a completely arbitrary number for intentional vocabulary study, or else people wouldn't be making mining decks.

>>17516077
Kanji don't have meanings. You fell for fish oil.

Three to four months is a long time. 2000 words is much more useful than 2000 kanji.

i mean if you learned 2000 kanji in isolation and didnt manage to stumble upon learning other shit then of course youre fucked and you deserve it cause youre a stupid mother fucker

>>17516081
Core 6k is 6000 words long because that's a reasonable upper limit on studying from frequency lists. And the fact that it struggles to have a reasonable level of quality at that point tells a lot.

>>17516082
Most kanji seem to have a general meaning. Although 猫 has many readings, they all seem to concern the word 'cat.' This does not seem to be cherrypicked either.　

>>17516085
>And the fact that it struggles to have a reasonable level of quality at that point tells a lot
Are you talking about the Core10k deck? That's not an iKnow deck, some rando made it.

>>17516093
The only kanji with useful isolated meanings are ones like 無 不 者　 where they have a clear abstract morphological meaning and just so happen to correspond 1:1 to particular words, and ones like 物 事 猫 犬 that correspond to very common nouns.

After you get outside the most useful 100 or so Kanji (which I already admitted to) they get less and less meaningful. Kanji like 機 誌 飛 have very vague meanings that change dramatically based entirely on the words they're in. This is how the majority of kanji are.

Even nukemarine, an eternal dekinai who basically can't learn Japanese despite all the work he's put into resources, says that you shouldn't study more than a few hundred kanji in isolation. He says something like 400, I said 100.

>>17516099
Why would you think I'm talking about Core10k?

>Core 6k is 6000 words long
>the fact that it struggles ... at that point

JLPT word lists are better than Core tbqh

>>17516102
All right, I think you have convinced me. What should a beginner do then? Right now I am reading Tae Kim's grammar guide, but I need some way of learning vocabulary. Anki might be nice, but I have no idea.

>>17516116
A beginner should read a grammar guide and memorize common vocabulary, only falling back to kanji study if there's something very wrong with trying to memorize vocabulary.

You could also jump straight into reading but you should only do that if you have a particular thing that's so compelling that you can read it even though you barely understand anything it's saying without several trips to a vocabulary/grammar dictionary each sentence

>>17516116
Read the guide. Start with the Core2k/6k deck in Anki. 20-30 words/day is a good pace. Be sure to remove the default 100 reviews / day limit.

>>17516102
>Even nukemarine, an eternal dekinai who basically can't learn Japanese despite all the work he's put into resources, says...
Who cares? It might be the case that he's correct, but why on earth would you quote him to back up your point?

>Even my friend Bob, who has never had a job despite all the effort he's put into getting one, says [insert advice on how to pass job interviews].

>>17516197
Nukemarine is quite literally a poster child example of why extensive isolated kanji study doesn't work. Yes, you should absolutely take failures' advice on what NOT to do. That's a thing.

>>17516198
Doesn't work for what? Knowing Kanji won't teach you Japanese anymore than knowing the Cyrillic script will teach you Russian.

The only thing he proves is that learning Kanji isn't enough to learn Japanese, which anyone with a brain already knows.

I've started reading To Love Ru and am having so much trouble with just the first page. How do I know when I'm at the end of a word with kana? How the hell do I look anything up other than just writing it into google translate?

>>17516206
If it doesn't teach you Japanese then why on earth would you do it to learn Japanese? If "anyone with a brain" already knows it, why do so many people competent in very difficult technical fields fall for it?

>>17516208
Read more.

It's hard because your brain just isn't used to it yet. You need to do the thing for your brain to figure out how to do the thing. It's no different from starting a game in a new genre and having no idea what to do. You have to do the thing to get better at the thing. That's how intelligences learn.

>>17516206
There's no such thing as "knowing Kanji". You can be familiar with them, but there's very little speakable knowledge to know about them until you get into etymology and calligraphy, neither of which are relevant to learning words and Japanese.

>>17516210
>then why on earth would you do it to learn Japanese?
Nobody does. They learn it to read Japanese, which is something very different.

>>17516225
Then why did you respond to my post with a strawman about working for leaning Japanese instead of assuming the obvious that it was about becoming able to read Japanese instead?

>>17516228
I didn't.

>>17516232
You sure did.

>>17516213
I'm looking up literally every word, am I starting too early? Fuck I want to learn Japanese so bad but I don't know how to start

>>17516246
Reading is the best way to learn words, it's just painful if you're used to understanding every word in every sentence. You get used to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK3gE1gileU

>>17516248
I guess I'm gonna end up with a huge mining deck after this, literally have 10 words just from page 1.

>>17516250
When you're starting out, don't bother mining stuff unless it keeps coming up or you have a reason to believe it's common. It's important for your flashcards to be meaningful.

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>>17514064
君に有名な小咄を授けよう。
「隣の家に柵ができたってよ」
「へー（塀）、かっこいい（囲井）」
これで、君は生涯これを忘れない

How many words do you mine per VN? Last VN I read I mined about 1300 words (out of 40,000 lines).

>>17516253
I mean I think a lot of it is stuff I will need to know, like 優しい、来て、etc.

>>17516277
Yeah that's good.

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>>17513896
>>17514163
ワイが大岡越前なら、三両から一両を懐にいれ
両者に一両ずつ渡す
つまり「三方一両得」である
異議は認めない

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>>17514315
包茎を直すためにチンチンの皮を剥く
音読みは「剥く（はぐ）」訓読みは「剥く（むく）」です
「チンチン剥いたら、かのじょがハグしてくれた」と
覚えましょう。

What does ただ mean in 今日はただ? I remember seeing it in Tae Kim but can't find the section now

So is Tae Kim basically just a thing I learn next to learning vocabulary everyday?

>>17516343
Read through it once and then reference it while you read

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>>17514733
百には「もも」という訓読みがある
>>17514903
「よろしければ、手を握らせてください」だよ
ちょっと、女の子に対してお姫様的に言って、おだてているんだよ。
「ちょっと脚を開いてもらっていいでしょうか」
「ちょっとこれを入れさせてもらっていいでしょうか」
と続けます。

tfw only read 3 pages of manga in an hour, does it get better?

>>17516364
pretty sure any five year old in japan does better than that

it's shit

>>17516364
just keep going. In a month go back and read that manga again, and if you've been keeping at it you'll see noticeable improvement

>>17516337
Ctrl F

So, I don't know if I can ask here

but why are they called circles?

is it because people used to pass material around one to another?

why would an author have a circle?

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>>17515170
なら、いないも同じ
>>17515544
ワイは「わい」やな
>>17515863
酔生夢死

>>17516367
I know it's shit

>>17516371
So how should I be breaking up my study time? I know that I need to be reading as much as possible, but if it's taking me an hour just to read a couple of pages that really takes time away from grinding vocabulary reviewing Tae Kim.

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>>17516337
今日はただ
といっても
唯と只では意味は違う

>>17516384
youtu.be/eU12Qrz8H1I#t=85

>>17516384
I got my start really slow through classes, I didn't jump into the DJT method right away so I'm not sure exactly what to say here. In general you should be reading more than vocab or tae kim. It's ok if you go slow and don't understand everything. What manga are you reading?

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Just a quick question for anyone with some knowledge of Japanese mythology.

What is 鬼神 - きしん？

Are these like the warrior gods Hachiman Daimyoujin, Takemikazuchi no kami, Futsunushi, Bishamonten, Sumiyoshi Sanjin etc.? Or is 鬼神 more like warrior spirits (ie. ancestors) or powerful oni?

>>17516445
The most relatable example is the Fierce Deity from Majora's Mask.

So. Can I ask a very basic questions?

Does this sound right?

こんにちは [name of indivisual]、

私は[game name]を楽しんだ、

I just started learning Kanji.
Am I really supposed to learn how to wrtie the kanji, what it can mean and what the kana it means means in english, and this 10 more times a day? I don't think I'm actually smart enough to do that.

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>>17516457

It's not wrong, but it sounds autistic.

Hello, person. I enjoyed [game].

Remember, conversations are like sex. Don't skip the foreplay.

>>17516427
To Love Ru, saw it recommended here a lot

>>17516472
So I should say something like

Hello person,

I ran across GAME and I like it alot.

Would that be less autistic? I'm trying to sound sophisticated.

>>17516482
sorry but you should just be your gaijin self instead of get people to tell you what to say
the sooner you start doing it the better off youll be

When do I start reading?
I just finished learning katakana yesterday and am now trying to do the rest. I'm reading through the grammar guide and wanted to learn my first few words after a few sections of it. I don't think I should start reading right at the start because I literally know no words at all.

文法を復習するべきですが一番中音楽を聴いたりゲームをしたりしかしません。ギター練習もすぐにするべきです。とりあえず朝ごはんを作りに行きます！誰か昨日日食を見ましたか？

>>17516478
try yotsuba or flying witch if you need something else that's "easy." I also really enjoy reading one piece. if you have another popular battle series you're a fan of give it a shot, stuff like one piece and dragonball are written with a pretty young audience in mind.

>>17516517
according to plenty of /djt/ memers you should start reading before you know any characters

>>17516517
Whenever you want.

>>17516546
>stuff like one piece and dragonball are written with a pretty young audience in mind
These are actually decently difficult to read. No because of the vocabulary but because the characters speak with pretty thick accents.

>>17516517
Whenever you want, but if you want someone to tell you what to do then follow my example.

I did 1000 words in core and finished Tae Kim and then abandoned core completely to read VNs while mining the rest of the words.

What the hell do I do with Tae Kim?
Do I just read through it once?
Do I write the important stuff down after one lesson?
I'm a bit overwhelmed right now.

>>17516565
The way of speaking is a bit difficult, but I've found with One Piece it's incredibly easy to deduce the meaning of words I don't know because of visual context clues. I also read a few dozen volumes in english years ago, so I guess that helps.

>>17516591
You just read it once. If you don't get a chapter on the first try then read it again.

Alright anons, how the hell do I learn 20 words a day?
I don't know if I'm just retarded but I don't see how 20 words a day is possible. While I was learning hiragana and katakana the best I could do was 15 symbols a day, and considering that most words are made up of more, how the hell do you do it?

>>17516714
Just be yourself anon

>>17516724
That doesn't help.
How did you learn them?
Did you write them donw until you know them?
Did you revise as much as you need until you know them out of your head, hoping that you'll still know them tomorrow to continue with new words?

>>17516731
What are you doing for immersion? Are you in japan?

>>17516749
Not in japan, I'm mostly just watching anime or some everyday japanese videos on youtube to get myself a bit closer to hearing it everyday. I'm trying to learn this in a stable way which makes me able to read novels in like 2 years, I had the thought that this all could just be a bit overwhelming because this is literally the first day after finishing the kana, but I'm scared that that's not the case and that I'm actually not capable of learning 20 words a day, or that I just go about it in the wrong way.

>>17514112
ペロペロさせろ
>>17514105
When a sexy dude counts ひとつ ふたつ and みっつ
Like that one scene in Hyouka with Oreki. No homo.

>>17516770
Even if you are currently retarded I wouldn't worry about it. Start with what you can do and be consistent. Ramp up an additional word per day every two weeks. Your mind will adapt.

Even the stupidest people on earth can speak a language. No such thing as too dumb to be able to learn a language.

But there's a big difference especially with memory retention if you are immersed because you are using the language out of necessity, for example to buy food, to talk to girls, to answer the door.

Honestly if you are serious just go there.

>>17514105
取引
出発
度胸

>>17514105
瞬間

>>17516798
I'd love to, but sadly getting citizenship is pretty hard and you actually need to speak japanese for that, and I don't really have the money to go there. I'm mostly focussing on reading and understanding, because, there's not really anything else that I could use it for in my country, but I know that's not really possible. I'm trying to only learn the meaning and readings of a kanji instead of also learning the stroke order, but I don't know if I should actually do that. It gets way more difficult because I'm actually learning an entirely new language from a language that's not even my native one, which makes even reading the Tae Kim guide kind of mentally draining, not because it's hard to understand it, but just because it's so much new information and I still have to learn 20 words a day. Learning vocab just seems so difficult, because it's pretty much twice the work that I had to put into learning the kana. First you have to know the kanji, then what it means in kana/romaji and then what it means in english.
I'm really just looking for tips on how to memorize it, because from the looks of it, most people here were able to do that too. I also have the problem that I can't just "go with it and get a bit faster every week". I have an anime which I watched many, many times. I've red it's translated novels, I'll wait for the next translated novel, I'll wait for the next adaptation, I just really have a deep, one-sided bond do it and because the series is still ongoing, I want to read the untranslated novels myself. I would wait for the translations, but everytime I read any kind of translation for this series, there's this feeling, this envy, this self-hatred because I'm not able to do that, which tne pushes me to start learning yet again for the day, this made me able to learn the kana in the time span of 4 days. I feel like I might not be able to do it with the vocabulary, so I'm asking for advice here, how to memorize them quicker and for a longer amount of time.

>>17516851
tl;dr friendo

>>17516855
I can't just go with "just do it and go faster week by week" for personal reasons, so I'm really just looking for ways to memorize the vocab faster and with more consistency. Preferably I'd also like to know how people here did it.
>>17516731
>How did you learn them?
>Did you write them donw until you know them?
>Did you revise as much as you need until you know them out of your head, hoping that you'll still know them tomorrow to continue with new words?

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欲しいでも高い
ちっ

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what is this kanji

>>17517004
>飛

>>17517018
thank you very much anon, i was trying to find it in jisho

>>17516860
Still need help with this.

>>17517027
Stop wasting time here and go learn some words

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>>17516862
ぞうしるしのポットよりさきに

ぞうじるしのすいはんきだよ

あたしんちにあるのはこれー

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Is there anyone working on some sort of WebExtensions port for Rikaisama, or am I going to have to keep an old install of Firefox somewhere if I want to keep using it?

I've tried Yomichan, but for my purposes and for what I want it to look like/do, Rikaisama did/does almost everything better:

- It takes up *much* less visual space/has less clutter in the popup. This is a big one for me. the yomichan popup size is static and takes up way too much space to show way too little info.

- Names and words are separated into different popups so names don't get mixed in with words.

- You can customize the format/data of the cards generated by the extension more heavily with Rikaisama, from what I can tell.

- Rikaisama is much more consistent at grabbing word audio (which is odd considering they grab them from the same location, to my understanding).

- Word frequency. Pretty minor one, but still helpful in determining which reading/version of the word it most likely is.

- Alternative kanji or readings show as their own separate entry when they don't need to / when Rikaisama wouldn't, making the "entries taking up too much space" significantly worse for some words.

- You can't get the popup to mimic Rikaisama's behavior (auto-display on mousing over a word, but disappearing when you your mouse off the word, but having a keybind to keep the window shown if you want to select text/scroll/click something on the window)


My major issue with it mostly boils down to how unnecessarily long the popups are and how there's no way to compress them down to a level that's as nice and compact as Rikaisama's. If at least that was fixed then there'd at least be a start even if there's a lot of other stuff I don't like about it or wish it had.

>>17517057
>Is there anyone working on some sort of WebExtensions port for Rikaisama,
Unfortunately you're already aware of it.
>or am I going to have to keep an old install of Firefox somewhere if I want to keep using it?
Do that, I am. Yomichan's glossary tag is too bloated on import for me.

>>17516862
>>17517054
ぞうじるしのすいはんきがにんきだけど

ポップアップトースターもまた

にほんではにんきだよ

トースターでやかないしょっぱんは

あほのたべものだとおもうよ

>>17517153
トーストになにを塗る？ ジャムとかマーマレードとか
まさか、生
野蛮

>>17517172
トーストはツナマヨ！

ごきげんなときはたまねぎがはいります

おにいちゃんもたべる？

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>>17517047
This was actually the best tip you could've given me.
50 minutes later and I can tell you what 60 words mean when I see them written.
Thanks anon.

>>17517172
アンコをトーストにいれるっていう

狂気の国があるらしいけど

ぜったいにいや

でもフルーツサンドはねんいちでたべたい

Boy, they weren't lying when they said that these school courses are slow.

Our course has us practising about five hiragana characters per week.

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>>17517219
>1 character per day
Whew.

>>17516016
Can't say for Japanese, but I've had little trouble switching between standard German and Austrian German after moving there. I'm sure you can do the same with Japanese.

>>17517219
ペーパーテストの順位をつけられればなんでもよかったんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

がっこうにいるおとなに他にすることってないし

>>17517219
５もじづつおしえてくれるなら

にほんごがすきなおとなかもしれない

めずらしいよ

>just keep reading and eventually you will magically understand the grammar

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>閉める
>閉じる
what's the difference? both are transitive right?

>>17517313
開けるものは閉めるもので

開くものは閉じるものだとおもうよ

よくわかんないや

>shinmoemanga
Some links don't work there.

>>17517423
The kirara titles from the very top.

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Anyone have played this VN https://vndb.org/v15473 ? How hard is it?
Looking at screenshots it isn't too hard, but I got baited a few times like that only to be welcome by wall of really hard narration text.

>>17517306
Noone said that.
If you have basic grammar down then every time you see some unfamiliar grammar during reading just look it up.

>>17517540
It's thoroughly easy.

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>>17517313
まあ、用例で覚えるしかない


目を閉める; 使わない

目を閉じる; 一般的に使う

目を閉ざす; 死んで目が閉じたことの意味となる場合がある


店を閉める; 一日の営業が終わる、または、廃業する

店を閉じる; 廃業する意で使う場合が多い

店を閉ざす; シャッターを閉ざして台風やゴジラの来襲に備えるような場合に使う

口を閉める; 黙って耐える、歯を食いしばるという意味にも使う

口を閉じる; 静かにして喋らない、秘密を守るという意味にも使う

口を閉ざす; あることについて喋らない、口封じに殺すという意味にも使う

脚を閉める; 膣も締まるので気持ちいい

脚を閉じる; 拒否されたため挿入不可となります

脚を閉ざす; 男を拒否する、セカンド・バージン若しくは処女かも


閉める（しめる）　他動詞で「開ける」の対義語、自動詞形が「閉まる」

閉じる（とじる）　　自他動詞で「開く」の対義語

閉ざす（とざす）　自他動詞で「固く閉める」若しくは「固く閉まる」

like above

Do you guys have days where literally nothing is going in? I'm feeling unwell and I must have pressed 'Again' on the same four cards for over five minutes. I don't know whether to force myself or just take it easy, I didn't have the energy for my last ten reviews so I just mashed 'Good' on them, now I feel shit.

>>17517722
>I didn't have the energy for my last ten reviews so I just mashed 'Good' on them, now I feel shit.
ngmi

>>17517761
I maybe worded that incorrectly. I didn't mean ten days of cards, I meant the ten amber colored cards I couldn't remember that session. I do three 'reviews' per day (the main lesson plus two 'Reviews forgotten cards from the last three days').

おなかへった

ツナマヨってにほんしょく？

>>17517722
>doing anki
That's your problem.

>>17517863
I thought it would be good for me because I learn from lots and lots of repetition. However, there are days where I just can't take in anything at all (for some reason, verb-heavy and adjective-heavy days seem to be the worst) and it makes me feel like a failure.

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>all those unexplained patterns in the HJGP
wew what a DOJG killer

>>17517057
Remove Rikaisama and learn Japanese instead.
It's the only way forward.

>>17517896
Nouns are generally more easy to translate than verbs and adjectives, so it makes sense that a day without them would go slower.

>>17517904
wtf I hate HJGP now

>>17517904
Better that than nothing at all, which is what dojg gives me most of the time.

>>17517904
Are you talking about [4]-[13]? Isn't that just pointing you to a separate entry?

>>17517540
difficulty is subjective. just open the damn game and see for yourself. if youre really paranoid, copy paste each scene into http://kotoba.nuee.nagoya-u.ac.jp/sc/obi3/

I will probably never write Japanese on paper, should I bother learning how to write things? I can recognize words I know but I can't write them.

>>17518109
do whatever you want
if you know how to write youll be able to read other peoples writing and other stylized shit better than not most likely
though for most learners they completely lose to sloppy handwriting that use shortcuts and shorthand pretty much forever anyway
basically if youre gonna bother dont half ass it and have it take time away from learning other shit that may be more fundamentally and immediately useful for you

>>17518109
You'll feel like a badass if you can write.
Plus if you tell someone you can into moon they'll want you to say or write something and you'll feel awkward if you can't.

>>17517057
Install Firefox ESR and you'll be good for a year.

普通、大抵。

Is there any difference between these, or do I treat them like synonyms? I know that 大抵 changes meaning slightly if you add の to it, but aside from that it's interchangeable?

>大丈夫 is daijobu
I thought it was some kind of Japanese laugh sfx

>>17517904
>but even with enough credits it's impossible to graduate without writing a thesis
A late 9th semester here. My tear almost came out

Am I doing this wrong?
I'm learning the english meaning so I can say what it means in english from seeing the kanji, but this feels so easy, too easy actually. Is that wrong what I'm doing? This is my first day starting the vocab but this feels really easy so far.

>>17518164
I see 普通 more used with established behavior like if someone is weird and the other guy says that's totally normal.

And 大抵 is more for generalizations of what's expected to be the norm.

>>17518173
>I see 普通 more used with established behavior like if someone is weird and the other guy says that's totally normal.
Shouldn't you use a construction with 習慣 for that? I have similar problems with things like 使用、利用、使う。Although if I didn't completely suck dick at using grammar properly and didn't needlessly complicate things, this would be the only problem with learning moon.

>>17518171
The first kanji are really simple and easy to associate with their meaning. Later on it gets much harder.

I passed N3! It's nothing compared to you guys but DAMN I'M FUCKING STOCKED.

>>17518185
>nothing compared to you guys
>tfw I'm lower than N5
O-Okay.

>>17518167
youtu.be/4yhEZ-lLtIU#t=32

>>17518185
im stocked for you too mate

>>17518185
What score and when did you start studying Japanese?

>>17518185
Nice job anon. Personally I'm struggling between N5 and N4, can you share a good way of training grammar? I'm using anki to grasp the basic rules (as much as you have to for things like 過ぎる or のに、anyway) and vocab but without training how to use it I'll be fucked.

>>17518171
If you're learning vocab, you obviously need to learn the reading of the word in Japanese, and not just the meaning in English.

>>17518198
So I can just go off the kanji?
I knew I did something wrong, fuck.

>>17518202
>can
Wanted to type can't, sorry.

>>17518202
Learn the hiragana reading and what it means in english. Then put both the hiragana reading and its corresponding kanji into anki and revise every day. If you're not actually learning to write kanji, it's all basic and easy shit, at least compared to grammar.

>>17518202
Just learning Kanji means you won't be able to listen to anything in Japanese, speak in Japanese and you'll be clueless if an author chooses not to use the Kanji for a word.

Ideally, your learning process shouldn't be "朝 is morning", it should be "朝 is あさ which means morning".

>>17518180
Don't worry about it too much. Anki isn't there to tell you everything about these words, only to stick a foundation in your head that can be built on later. The only way to finish the job is to consume native content, which for you probably means reading.

みんな勉強頑張れ ＊苦笑いが浮かぶ＊

>>17518218
I have a uni exam in two weeks that's based on N4 grammar, and actually involves dialogue with another person. So reading native content won't prepare me for this in time. But ultimately I'll take this advice to heart.

>>17518180
>習慣
Maybe instead of established behaviour I should have called it accepted behaviour.

But as the other anon said, you'll get there eventually with reading.
This is one thing I dislike about using Anki with decks you didn't make. Mining is much better, you actually have to make an effort to understand the word and it's implications before adding it to the mining deck.

>>17518185
I'd argue that most "advanced" learners here are N3 that think they're N2.

>>17518228
>This is one thing I dislike about using Anki with decks you didn't make.
I'm using my own decks which I've made using the Minna no Nihongo vocabulary, but they're mainly for kanji revision. But it's ok, in the end I doubt it's much of a mistake to use 使用 instead of 利用. In most cases anyway.

>>17518226
Well in that case as a quick and dirty, deeply inferior alternative you could try reading some example sentences of any words you're confused about. The difference between similar words usually has less to do with the meaning and more to do with the kind of contexts and subject/objects which you apply them to.

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>>17518185
I'm reading my 3rd VN right now （ひまわり), and I have no idea what level I am.
Is there an online test that I could use to check it?

>>17518249
http://www.j-cat.org/

>>17518249
http://www.j-cat.org/
Remember to post results here so we can laugh at you.

>>17518209
>>17518212
I just went through the stuff from today again and again, which means I also know the meaning in kana now. Knew there was something wrong with it, so thanks for helping me anons.

>>17518249
JCAT but it's not as accurate as the JLPT. You could do a past JLPT test or something (timed of course).

>>17518240
>inferior
You've said it. I've actually done that a lot before and most of the time in a situation like this zkanji will just give you two example sentences which are really similar contextually and use both kanji that you're confused about almost interchangeably.

>>17518239
>I doubt it's much of a mistake to use 使用 instead of 利用
Depends on the situation.
利用 has more of a negative aspect like abusing a person to gain something that 使用 doesn't have.

Use 駆使 and impress your teacher.

use 使わせていただきます and wear frilly dresses to your classes

>>17518262
>Use 駆使 and impress your teacher.
Duly noted.

>>17518190
>>17518191
We're all going to make it brahs.

>>17518192
Please don't hit me for barely making it (95/180). I started around October last year.

>>17518193
First I'd read the explanation of the grammar points and did some practice by changing out verbs and nouns of the given example sentences. Vocab is a しなければならない thing. Drill in new vocabs at the start of every new lesson. I've used Minna no Nihongo but I think Tea Kim does the job too.

>>17518278
>I started around October last year.
You're fine.