Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1816

おはよう

おにいちゃん

おにいちゃんは

どうしておにいちゃん？

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Read Yotsuba they said. It's piss easy they said. I'm on the third volume and my head hurts.

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Are there any worthwhile successors to Rikaisama?

I've updated my sakubi reader android app to the latest version of the guide the apk is here https://github.com/kentaromiura/SakubiReader/releases/latest/

I will probably add an option to retrieve the live version so I don't have to release a version for each update of the guide.
Since that requires asking for Internet permission I prefer to develop it on a parallel branch.

Anyway I should go back to study now :P

>>17175209
だいじょうぶだよ

フレンズによって

とくいなことちがうから

妹ちゃんはどんなフレンズ？

>>17175276
うらないがとくいだよ

ボクは可愛い日本人の彼女が出来てしばらく付き合っていつの間にか浮気されてそして完全に誰かに彼女を寝取られてしまうために日本語を勉強しています！

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>>17175209
Your head is going to hurt while reading for a long time as your brain gets used to Japanese or whatever. I wouldn't say Yotsuba is piss easy but so to speak, but it is of a similar difficulty as most things you will read, so there's really no escaping that.

>>17175358
いい夢だなぁ。

>>17175268
What's this?

>>17175373
Sakubi is the hottest new Japanese grammar guide on the 'net written by a DJT regular and grammar autist who has a bone to pick with Imabi.

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>>17175358
>彼女を寝取られて
>using を with a passive verb
Ain't no Japanese girl gonna date you like that Anon

>>17175380
>>using を with a passive verb
What are you implying?

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Am i fucking retarded or what? Tae kim's guide makes no fucking sense to me and i can't remember a single grammar rule after reading one section for half a hour.

>>17175454
Unless you're an ESL, it's basically just gibberish. Read Japanese the manga way, it's actually written for English speakers.

>>17175400
Not him, but I think he's implying that he's a clueless DJT EOP who isn't aware of of that usage.

>>17175276
あと

おふろにはいるのがとくいだよ

カレーをつくるのもとくいだよ

えいごがにがてだよ

>>17175463
How does that logic work?

>>17175471
>えいごがにがてだよ
ウソ、いつも読めないことじゃないみたい

>>17175463
I don't see how being ESL would improve anything... the fact that i have an attention span of a 7yo on cocaine isn't helping at all either. Would you still recommend Japanese the manga way because i'm gonna have an aneurysm with Tae kim any second.

>>17175496
>>17175507
ESLs are the only ones who actually know any of the gibberish language learning terms Kim uses. Normal people who were brought up in a country with no pressing need to learn a second language don't have a fucking clue what perfect passive present means.

JTMW lays things out in an easy to understand way with actual examples from native material.

>>17175500
あのんさんまたやってしまったねえ

いもうとはえいごがよめても

かけないフレンズなんだよ

>>17175532
You don't have to shill so hard with your unbacked claims desu

>>17175532
studying english as a second language doesn't mean you will be taught the fancy terms Kim uses. At most you will get to know the terms in your first language...

>>17175542
>かけない
曖昧すぎる、よくわかりません。許して

>>17175532
There's something wrong with the education system if you don't learn basic grammar in school.

>>17175573
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm31366507

>>17175583
獣フレンズのこと？恐ろしいファンらしい
まさか、その連中が妹さんを誘拐した?

>>17175380
But Japanese girls love the negativity implied with を + passive verb, though. Only betas use が

>>17175658
I thought 寝取る was transitive, what am I missing?

>>17175668
I think so, too.

>>17175668
>>17175684
How is that relevant to passive?

>>17175685
It isnt, but I agreed with the anon's statement on 寝取る being transitive.

>>17175689
Cool. But then why did the anon feel the need to point it out here >>17175668 as if it were relevant to the post here >>17175658?

>>17175668
In English, you can't use an object with the passive construction in the same way. Think about it: The apple was eaten. Apple is the subject, not the object.
In Japanese, you can. It's called the 'suffering passive'. There's a section about it in the introduction of the DoBJG (pdf).

>>17175692
I'm not sure. I decided to reply to a vague question with a vague response.

>>17175709
so you can use transitive verbs with が and it becomes a suffering passive?

>>17175720
nevermind Ill look it up in that DoBJG

>another rugp crash

KGNE would be the perfect begginer VN if this shit wasn't happening every 5 minutes

Sorry if this is a pedantic question, I thought I'd ask anyway.

What would be the recommended choice between:
>Learn Hiragana and Katakana, begin consuming media in Japanese while starting the Anki Kanji pack.
>Learn Hiragana and Katakana, start the Anki Kanji pack, then start checking out media.

I'm thinking of playing Animal Crossing New Leaf in Japanese since the language is pretty simple. Just wondering when I should maybe try it out.

>>17175750
Both are possible, but you'll have a pretty hard time if you try to read without knowing some basic vocabulary. Animal Crossing is supposed to be pretty easy though.

>>17175750
How are you going to start consume media without knowing any words or grammar?

>>17175756
>>17175778
My bad, I should've specified that I know some of the language through speaking it, I just can't read it very well.

寝取るはほんとうにすごく悪いにほんごだから

さっかさんはＮＴＲとしか書かないよ

>>17175883
無知もここまで来ると悪だな

>>17175247
Yomichan.

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>>17175575
You do, but there's zero need to, or to even remember it. For people who aren't trying to learn a second language or write formal essays, grammar is dead information. You learn how to fucking speak everywhere, even before you enter school. You don't even need to know, intellectually, the difference between nouns, verbs and adjectives to speak fluently and develop a high verbal IQ. I did 8 years of french immersion in school without giving half a turkey and I turned out fine. Get the same headaches I did then trying to understand this shit, but I'll get over it.

Though I guess there'd be merit to calling me illiterate.

I got through hiragana, can write any of them from memory of the sound. Time for katakana, and then anki, right?

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>>17175183
https://youtu.be/yWB2DtVytuo
字幕をオンにしてください。
Please turn on subtitles.

>>17175183
If いいわけはじごくできく is something like "I'll hear your excuses in hell", what is いいわけはじごくできけ supposed to mean? "go and ask for the explanation in hell"? Or perhaps I interpreted the whole sentence wrong from the beginning?

>>17176465
その精液悪魔だと結婚したいよ

>>17176390
I also learned French (though it was easier for me to learn it in just one year because my mother tongue is another romance language), and being able to compare the grammar and make sense of patterns (at least giving name to things) helped me a lot while learning.
I dont't see the need to go in depth into the grammar (I don't know my own grammar that well either, I'm no grammarian, but more than the average person, I'd say), but at least to have some basis of comparison and knowing what you're dealing with.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Je suis content de voir un autre anon qui a appris la belle langue française.

>>17176390
That's because French is a romance language. While it not be as easy for English speaking natives as Germanic languages its still piss easy compared to Japonic languages.

>>17176496
It's just a more forceful command of the former. You are comparing it to English too much

>>17175668
I feel sad for american education, do you seriously not study grammar and sentence composition?

I'm sorry, I'm beginner as beginner can be and stuff like this is daunting to me. Can anyone explain why the handwritten 'bo' Katakana is so different to the typed one?

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>>17176581
Well fuck, forgot my picture.

>>17176590
ぼ ボ figure it out

>>17176577
The concept of transitive and intransitive doesn't exist in English.
I don't think my school taught passive either though. I had to look it up when I first learned passive form in Japanese.

>>17176590
ボぼ

>>17176532
But in the former the speaker is talking about their own actions. Is the speaker giving a command to themselves?

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>>17176581
>>17176595
FWIW, hiragana does vary a bit in fonts (and also in handwriting) so you should be aware of it.

>>17176595
>>17176597
>>17176612
Okay never mind, I'm an idiot. I'm browsing using websites and a textbook and I got a bit confused.

>>17176635
tell us what you did wrong so your caring senpais know you understand what you did wrong

>>17176606
Could be.

>>17176642
ぼ is 'bo' in Hiragana, ボ is 'bo' in Katakana. I thought I was in the Katakana section of my textbook when I saw ぼ compared to ボ on the Katakana website I use.

>>17176606
I wouldn't think too hard about Japanese produced by a gaijin.

>>17175376
No, he just hates grammar guides.

>>17176658
It's ho without the squiggles by the way. Really made me think when you specified it be 'bo'

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>tfw spending ages in anki every day and still not knowing jack shit

Language learning sucks donkey dicks.

>>17176745
It's almost as if flashcards are not meant to be a replacement for actual native content.

>>17176745
You could have slowed down your learning of new words weeks ago and moved on but you chose not to.

>>17176745
Did you forget to remove the review limit or something?

>>17176754
Well, the words wouldn't stick otherwise.

>>17176757
Then I'd know even less than I do now, which would not be satisfactory.

>>17176774
No?

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>>17176745
>average answer time 20.8s
No wonder. Just review faster

>>17176801
Sure, I could hit again after a few seconds too, but then my bar would be very long and red.

>>17176800
Just read more you mongoloid. That's is the only way to learn a language.

>>17176828
If you can't recall the reading and meaning within 5 seconds, you've already failed

>>17176828
You should try pushing yourself to go faster. The mind usually adapts to the level of challenge encountered. Wouldn't it be a waste not to try to find out whether you could cut your review time by a lot just by being a little harder on yourself?

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>studying anything with 42ºC outside

>>17176839
How can I read when Anki takes all my free time?

>>17176851
The rising frustration would only serve to make me do even worse.

>>17176867
I try to be fast, but rushing it too much usually leads to bad things for me.

Does anybody know any more VN/Game hybrids like the Blazblue fighting game series (in story mode)? I'd prefer something where the VN part is voiced (at least partly), but the game part can be anything as long as there is some modicum of depth to the mechanics.

>>17176888
What are you even learning Japanese for if you are never going to read?

>>17176900
JRPGs?

>>17176900
天ツ風 ～傀儡陣風帖～

>>17176916
I should've provided more information of what I was going for. By VN/Game hybrid I mean something where unlike JRPGs, you don't control a character in a virtual game world and explore/talk/fight/grind etc to progress, but something that is like a VN in that you just go through text (some voiced) and images, but with gamey sequences interspersed at various points.
>>17176922
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>Prepositions usually create a "prepositional phrase", a string of words that can't be broken up, they make syntactical barrier. Particles in japanese don't usually work this way. Some prepositions in english also don't work this way, but the name "preposition" sticks in the grammar you're taught in school, because nobody agrees on how to define "particle" for english.

Okay, Sakubi-anon, I guess you won't fix japanese -> Japanese either because of your tic, that is alright.

" they make syntactical barrier" feels like an article is missing, and I'm not sure whether "syntactical barrier" is a real term.

otherwise this section feels useless all in all, because it's just incomprehensible. even if I understood what you mean by a "syntactical barrier", this paragraph still feels like it's just all over the place. I'd advise you to rewrite it or remove it.

>>17177015
I'll do something, something like that probably shouldn't be early on in the guide if in there at all.

>>17177010
Oh. I think Utawarerumono is supposed to be like that but I haven't played it yet.

>>17177010
sengoku rance lol

>>17176900
https://vndb.org/g21

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>>17176900
Baldr Sky Dive

Both the gameplay and VN aspects are fucking excellent. Perhaps my all-time favourite game.

>>17177015
How's this:

>Particles are grammatical words that don't have any special properties. Prepositions usually create a "prepositional phrase", a string of words that can't be broken up, particles don't. The term "particle" is used for english sometimes too, to describe verbs with prepositions that aren't bound to their phrase: "I turned it <i>on</i>" (particle) vs "I turned <i>on it</i>" (preposition). But aside from particle verbs, people don't agree on how to use the term "particle" for english grammar.

>>17177034
>>17177036
>>17177042
>>17177043
So there's actually a category for gamey VNs on vndb lol, my bad for not thinking looking there. Cheers mates, that solves the issue.

What books from the DJT library do you particularly recommend?

LNs are generally shit right?

>>17177094
Probably not in "DJT library", I recommend 遠野物語. Really interesting and a pleasure to read.

http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001566/files/52504_49667.html

>>17176596
I think it does, it's just that there are so many ambitransitive words in english that you can get by without even thinking about whether you got the right transitivity, and even if you get it wrong you'll more often than not just end up coining a term anyway.

Is there some kind of pic showing translations of 2chan? I'm interested in Love Live section
Touhou too

>>17177122
English has an extremely complex valency system that can't be simplified to transitivity in most cases.

>He shatters the plate
>The plate shatters
>He shattered the plate
>The plate shattered

>The book reads well

>I told him
>I told a story
>I told him a story

Intransitive stateful verbs can be turned into lexical causatives, which are inherently transitive (traditional grammar describes this with transitive pairs). So too are there verbs with multiple options for direct objects which are determined and ordered by an animacy hierarchy (traditional grammar describes this with indirect objects).

>>17177142
Oh and I forgot the "the book reads well", some verbs require agentive subjects, but are allowed to take stative subjects if the direct object is an adverb (which is batshit crazy, linguistically) or an embedded clause.

>>17177075
while I (think I) understand what you mean (a particle would be a separate constituent, a category, a phrase by itself in a sentence), I don't think this would be very useful to most learners. in fact I don't think I got any practical knowledge from that either.

>>17177157
If it's still too hard to understand I'll just scrap it. Thanks for responding, I don't want to keep confusing stuff in the guide, and my autism makes it hard for me to tell what's confusing or not.

>>17177142
I really don't get it, but okay.

>>17177172
That's just where the idea that english doesn't care about transitivity comes from. In reality most languages have stuff like this going on, and it's only easy to wrap your head around if you boil it down to transitivity vs intransitivity. Try skimming this if you want to see how bad linguists have it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valency_%28linguistics%29

>>17177183
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valency_%28linguistics%29
nice my syntax course didn't even mention "tritransitive" verbs

Hello I 'm planing on taking the JLPT by the begining of december this year. I finished genki 1 and I think I'll be done with Genki 2 by the end of august. so if I focus on the remaining months ( september, october and november) to prepare for JLPT N3 ( Kanji, vocab and grammar that isn't covered in genki) using a JLPT book or tobira ... can I suceed ? or should I just aim for N4 ? I can manage at least one hour and half a day to study japanese and when I'm free up to 4 hours a day.

>>17177311
http://www.j-cat.org/

>>17177311
this is the kind of question no one can really answer for you since we don't know how fast you learn, and the thread's main goal is consuming japanese media so not many have taken the test

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>>17177163

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>>17176882
あm意ごいんg戸巻けいt,あのnyもうs?

I got to the point where I'm starting Anki. What exactly are my goals for each card? I realize I should obviously be associating the sounds with the kanji, and the meaning with the sounds and the kanji, but am I also intended to try and parse all of the example sentences as well?

>>17177521
It's up to you.
If you require too much from yourself, reviews will take a long time and you'll be facing a mountain of reviews due to low retention. If you require too little, you'll have low retention due to not actually learning anything.
For kanji cards, I used to require 1-2 onyomi, a kunyomi and a rough meaning. Stopped doing those because they stopped being useful.
For vocab recognition cards, the requirement is getting the pronunciation and general meaning right, the example sentence being an optional hint.
For vocab production cards, the requirement used to be getting a reasonable synonym of the actual answer. Stopped doing those because they did not feel useful.
One thing you should watch out for is developing anki habits where your answer comes from somewhere other than the question itself. For example, learning the cards by the first few words (or the general shape) of the example sentence and answering based on that.

>さくっと終わらそう。
Is this just a contraction of 終わらせよう? Meaning something like "Let's promptly end this"?

>>17177560
I see. Thanks, anon.

>>17177562
I don't doubt you. And kudos. I'm an ESL, though.

Does anyone have some raws with a resolution higher than 2000px? I can't for the life of me read those tiny ass kanji. It doesn't matter what series, just something easy to read. The only one I have with a half decent size is Zettai Reiiki.

>>17177713
じょしらく's high enough res

>>17177713
ctrl+mouse wheel up

I read manga in high-volume using evince on linux. I tell it to make the pages much larger than could be displayed even on a vertical monitor and just read it pane-for-pane. In English, mind.

>>17177605
Yes.

～せる ending can casually be shorted to ～す

>>17177765
Zooming in doesn't help if the scans are too low res.

>>17177785
grand blue has huge scans in english, read those

>>17177713
>I can't for the life of me read those tiny ass kanji.
If that's the problem, just pick something with furigana.

how do I make reading less boring

>>17177799
Read something good.

>>17177803
i've tried everything good

>>17177807
Time to kill yourself then.

is へ the same glyph as ヘ?

>>17177816
they're written the same but encoded differently for technology reasons, sometimes even rendered slightly differently

it's like 0 vs O

>>17177816
Why is that important?

>>17177717
Thanks anon, just downloaded it and the kanji are very readable, 1950x2800, even better than zettai reiiki.

If anyone else know other manga or have raws with high resolution let me know/

>>17177836
I suggest you to kill yourself.

>>17177836
I've read hundreds of English books and have yet to find a single one better than the Japanese masterpieces I've read. English lit simply can't compare and is several levels below it.

>>17177836
>I'm not good enough at japanese to enjoy the good literature, so I'm just going to pretend it doesn't exist

>Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
>がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

>>17177836
こんなくそスレでどれだけ言い争っても意味ない爆笑

おはようおにいちゃん

カレーたべたい

I found this website looking up how to set up Windows with a Japanese keyboard: https://www.coscom.co.jp/learnjapanese.html

Is it worth looking into for basic lessons?

>>17177769
Thanks, I understand the contraction of せよう to そう but a little confused on how せる can get shortened to just す.

>>17177851
What are these masterpieces?

>>17177798
If the kanji are already tiny, then the furigana will be microscopic.

せよう to そう is just a conjugated せる to す which is the underlying change.

終わらす
終わらせる
These have same meaning.
And then just conjugated to volitional:
終わらせよう
終わらそう

>>17177945
meant quote >>17177908 of course

今日何 を しますか

Is the topic particle missing here because "today" ist just a measurement of when something happens? It feels weird but is it correct this way?

contrary to this:

今日は水曜日です

>>17177896
I have a sense of deja vu

>>17177928
hanahira dies irae and x-change 3

>>17177950
You could just google it and not act like a dumb retarded faggot.

>>17177950
きょうはきにょうびだよ！

>>17177950
its not there because its got better shit to do

妹いるの？日本語博士の知恵を分かち合ってもらいたい。

「巽言の重みに感服する」の意味を教えてくれる？

ネットで調べてだいぶ分かった気がするが、やっぱ妹の説明でないと中々確信には至らない。
ヨロシク

>>17177945
Makes sense. I wish there was a site that actually covered this kind of slang, since せる to す isn't exactly easy to identify in speech (I guess if you speak せる fast enough you kind of get す?).

>>17177950
>but is it correct
Do you care? Does the writer care? Do the native readers care? No. Nobody cares what's "correct" or not, only what's valid. And you can only learn what's valid by exposure, not asking dumb questions on the internet.

>>17177996
https://sakubi.neocities.org/#phrasalverbs
>Reality check: a short form of the causative verb exists in the spoken language, and isn't considered wrong there. Replace せる with す. Supposedly, this doesn't apply to one-form verbs or す verbs, but don't hold your breath.

>>17177995
妹います

今寝てる

>>17178007
寝ているんだったら、いねじゃねえかよ。
どうも矛盾してるよ、きみは

>>17178016
いいわけはじごくできけ

>>17177945
Not to rain on your parade, but 終わらす is not technically a correct form in modern japanese. While japanese people do use it rather frequently, itis just a shortening of 終わらせる。

>>17178036
It is. 終わる is a 五段 verb, the す version of せる is valid in speech for all 五段 verbs that are not す verbs.

>>17177616
I wasn't talking shit, I just hit send by mistake. The point was that my grammar knowledgability isn't the issue here; it's my loss, over time, of the terminology. Grammar terms are for the sake of the person doing the explaining (this would include a secondary language student 'explaining' to themself). In other words, for brevity's sake. I won't sit here and say I don't wish I had a perfect memory. And I won't sit here and say you don't impress me by remembering all these English grammar terms. That being said, I also won't sit here and pretend like you and I learnt these terms at the same time; or that these terms are equally relevant to us.

>>17177612
Put a coma before quotations and capitalize the first letter. When you begin quoting part of the way through the original sentence, start the quote with "..." and put the first letter -- now capitalized -- in brackets so that the reader knows you modified the quote.

>>17178036
Have you been following the conversation at all? That was my entire point

>>17178026
言い訳を抜かしてるのはきみだろうが。

>>17177995
なんか濃茶の席でつかうような

慇懃なひびきだね

>あなたが今いったことは、ふかいいみがありますね

っていういみなんだろうとおもうよ

>>17178043
Shit, reading comprehension.
My bad.

>>17178058
ふむふむ、なるほど。やっぱ賢者とか、頭のいい誰かさんが言う助言に対する称賛みたいなもんね。
たすかった、これで漢検準一級の勉強を続けるね。

ちなみに妹は漢検はとってるの？

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またやっちまったなぁ

>>17178090
みんかんしかくをとるのはむいみだよ

>>17178090
>>17178114
ごめんね

こうげきてきになるつもりはなかったの

でも、あたしたちにはもっと

このひろいせかいに

するべきことがあるよ

>>17177955
I posted it in the last thread; it was the last post right before it died.

>>17178124
いいよ、そんなの、かわいい妹を追い詰めた俺が悪かった、すまん。

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How do I master 淫夢語?

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>>17178126
Then let's go to the Japanese!

There it is, right in the katakana. バルドスカイ(Baldr Sky) - Dive 1 "Lost Memory" and バルドスカイ (Baldr Sky) - Dive 2 "Recordare."

But let's check those OPs once again for verification.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9D1rWlCWnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFAx487OHxY

Yep. Still Baldr Sky.

Not Baldr Sky Dive.

You're still wrong even after trying to cite your source. That's so weird.

>>17178136
その前に基本的な日本語を学ぼうぜアミーゴ

>>17178134
おきたら
まどをあけはなって
あさのくうきのにおいをかいで
からだをふいて
髪のみだれをなおして
ふとんをたたんで
かるくおそうじだよ

ひとつおろそかにすれば
ひとつにんげんらしさをうしなうよ

you know djt better than that

no one walks away and no one wins

Unspecified time ago someone asked me why I think it's better to stop being a DJT EOP in order to learn Japanese.

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>>17178196

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What have you guys been reading?
I've been switching it up between manga for light reading, Amagami SS for laid-back reading, and 森の魔獣に花束を for heavier reading.

>>17178525
https://twitter.com/bot_erection

>>17178525
I just resumed reading Magical Charming again.

Is it normal to forget new Core words even though I looked at it like, 30 seconds ago?

>>17178525
usual 2 chapters of manga after anki and minimum 1 hour of VN, but the real condition is 500 lines on the texthooker page

>>17178636
Yes, but you might not be fully awake or have grasped the nature of the word

>>17178644
I see. I tend to know the meaning but forget how to read the kanji

Can someone recommend me a good physical grammar dictionary? I want to buy one and go study somewhere without my phone/internet/etc because I'm too easily distracted.

>>17178836
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4874246788/

>>17178836
buy a tablet and do everything on it

>>17178868
Did you not read the part about me being easily distracted? I'd just shitpost or play games on a tablet.

>>17178873
Don't plug it into the internet you retard.

>>17178873
That's why it's your Japanese study tablet. Hell, you can even set the language to Japanese to keep yourself in the mindset.

>>17178868
I don't think DJT NEETs have money to buy a tablet.

>>17178836
The DOJG books.

>>17178883
I'd really rather just not have the temptation at all.

>>17178910
Thank you, at least one person here can give a real suggestion

>>17178772
focus on the first two syllables

>>17178525
Ayatsuji best girl.

>>17179053
あたしは？

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>>17178525
小学生もゆるくない。
CGDCT all day everyday.

>>17175183
I forgot his name, but does anyone have a link to that really entertaining YouTuber that gave Japanese lessons while sipping on beer? I never actually sat through all of his videos.

I think he was a English teacher in Japan or something.

>>17179206
>that really entertaining YouTuber
the vacant stare of a serial killer gets you off hey

>>17179206
Namasensei

>really entertaining
I never understood why anyone liked his videos.

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So I'm working my way through 'Japanese the Manga Way' to get some basic grammar in before reading. So far I've been just going through each chapter one by one and taking notes, but I find this ends up taking a bit.

Should I just do one whole read-through of the book without notes and then come back to reinforce anything I forgot later?

>>17179308
Yes. Takes notes on stuff that confuses you, not everything.

>>17179308
>Should I just do one whole read-through of the book without notes and then come back to reinforce anything I forgot later?

This is what I would do.

>>17179329
>>17179344

Much appreciated

An American TV series just gave me in its last two episodes that comfy romance in winter atmosphere. I thought that was only found in VNs like Amagami or White Album. Why am I learning Japanese again?

>>17179434
Which series? I'm a fan of comfy winter romance.

>>17179434
If you need other people to give you motivation to continue you should just quit now.

>>17179450
Master of None S2

>>17175183
Hi, I'm absolutely new on this board, but I won't shit it up, I promise.
I started learning japanese 3 days ago. I have 3 months in front of me with nothing else to do.
What kind of goal can be set with 3 months of light-intensive learning (5h/day)? I'm really motivated for once, for some reason, so I think me getting bored is possible, but quite unlikely for once.
Thank you for your kind support, /jp/anons

Is Genki any good?

>>17179614
yeah thats what it means (´・ω・｀)

When the FUCK will I be able to watch my ニコ生放送's in HTML5

>>17179659
HTML5 is not a video format, its a standard
the cut down mkv's called webms wrapping libvpx + vorbis or opus meet it though

>>17179567

am I off-topic? Is this why nobody is answering me?

>>17179681
Nobody currently online is interested in answering your question. Probably because it doesn't have to do with Japanese itself. You can bump it (this is annoying), wait an hour and ask it again, or go to a general language learning advice thread on a different board.

>>17179688
I must have misread. Isn't the thread about learning Japanese with Japanese material?
I'm out, then

>>17179679
Is you making completely pointless posts that have nothing to do with anything also a standard?

>>17179697
It is, and your question is technically on topic, but people are more likely to answer questions that have something to do with Japanese, not ones that are generally about what it's like to learn a language. That kind of question is more likely to be answered well in a general language learning topic.

How do i show only recognition cards or delete cloze cards in the dojg deck on ankidroid? There doesnt seem to be a way

I lurk sometimes for motivation so I know the questions the people starting Anki often ask. Particularly, when they ask about individual kanji study or radicals you don't try to dissuade them, but suggest just jumping into vocab study. So basically I think I know what the answer to this will be but I want opinions. I'm finishing the first 2k in core tomorrow. 1961 cards as of today. What do you think about doing the kangxi radicals deck or the kanjidamage deck?

peace

Anyone have the japaneselevelup anki decks? seems interesting to me

>>17179701
What part of my post was pointless? I think it got right to the point, actually.

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What's a efficient way to learn how to write kana and keeping it memorized?
I'm not giving a fuck about knowing how to write kanji, I just want to be able to write kana for quick notes while I'm studying.

>>17179727
Brute force individual characters, then switch to brute forcing individual words.

>>17179723
Surely you realize that those ridiculous arguments are because this is /jp/ and that if this thread wasn't here they wouldn't end up on /int/? If you didn't realize that there wouldn't be any point in even mentioning it since you'd just be encouraging people to go shit up the other thread. If the other thread is so good why don't you just stay there?

>>17179732
I personally though about a list of words that contain all letters that you can write down everyday to practice.
Does something like that exist or do I have to create it by myself?

I checked some of the writing books in the cor but they didn't really impress me so far.

>>17179758
いろはにほへと

>>17179724
No faggot.

>>17179758
You ever enter a thread and ask a question before reading the OP? First time for everything.

>>17179787
I've been learning for more than a year now anon.

I read the guide a year ago.

PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO REMOVE SHITY CLOZE CARDS

INSTRUCTIONS IN OP LINK DONT WORK

>>17179805
Delete System32

>>17179763
大丈夫?

What's more appropiate for western anonymous posters?
としあき or 名無し

Is "Japanese the Manga Way" a genuinely good resource for beginners or am I being memed here?

I been using on Genki primarily for my grammar lessons, with the occasional Tae Kim for reinforcement if I need it. Would it be beneficial to check the book out? Does it make grammar study more tolerable?

>>17175463
>it's basically just gibberish
what.

>>17179829
Why not just read all 3? Hearing the explanations from different people won't hurt. It's not like any of them are particularly long.

色は匂へど 散りぬるを
我が世誰ぞ 常ならむ
有為の奥山 今日越えて
浅き夢見じ 酔ひもせず

色は輝くけど 散ってしまうよ
我が世には一体誰が 常だろう
この儚い世界の奥山を 今日越えて
浅い夢は見まい 酔いもしない

>>17179837
Well, genki is much longer than it needs to be because of exercises, but if you skip them I guess it's acceptable.

>>17179837
I'll probably just end up doing that, the physical copy is a lot cheaper than I thought it'd be.

Thanks.

にほん

こうおんちゅういほう

でかけだよ

>「白羽瀬には、世話になった」
>「黙ったまま、いなくなったりはしない」
What's the 黙ったままdoing here in context, is it essentially meaning "I've been silent, but I would never do something like leave"?

>>17180226
leave without saying anything

>>17180229
Yeah, that should've been obvious. My bad, I'm overthinking things right now.

>>17180060
どのくらい？猛暑日とか?

>>17180305
だしっぱなしにしてた

おみそしるが

すっぱくなるくらい

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>>17178525
Just some light moege

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>>17178525
Parfait ~Chocolat Second Brew~

>>17175183
When did the thread moved from /a/ ? why ?

>>17180853
Mods banned it from /a/

>>17180841
If you're reading it why it did you rip the screenshot from vndb instead of posting your own?

>>17180841
フレンズによってとくいなことちがうから

Are there any Western sites that can be used for ordering books in Japanese?

Is there a series of books similar to the Leob Classics that publishes texts with both original Japanese and the English translation?

>>17181097
Amazon.
Don't read translations.

>>17181097
I've never seen a Japanese-English parallel text. Threy might exist for a few centuries-old Japanese classics, but don't expect anything more than that.
You can, of course, buy both the raw and the translation, and use the translation as a reference. There are several sites shipping Japanese books overseas, buyfags.moe has a list.
If you're interested in old books (old enough to be public domain), you can save half the money (and the overseas shipping fees) by getting the Japanese version off Aozora Bunko and getting the translation used for a dollar off Abebooks or something like that. Or if the book is old enough, there may be a public domain English translation on Project Gutenberg.

>>17181104
>Don't read translations
They're handy.

Reading in pure Japanese means any mistakes you make you're unlikely to notice, whereas if you have an English translation on hand you can quickly pass over that to confirm you understood.

>>17181337
No what it means is you begin to associate Japanese with English words and pick up bad habits. Especially when the translations are bad, which is 99% of them.

>>17181403
Are your translations in the 1%?

>>17181403
I was meaning more so for the general meaning of the sentence, rather than 1:1 on the words.

>>17181423
i get paid for mine and when opinions are just as valuable as facts in todays meme spouting internet culture who cares if they are accurate or not

>>17181637
それは <- fuck me, how is this pronounced

my head's telling me it's それ’わ’

>>17181691
soar ray vah

>>17181691
Your head is right.
https://forvo.com/word/%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8C%E3%81%AF/#ja

>>17181637
What have you translated? I want to masturbate while reading an official /jp/ translation!

>>17181733
>協力
>久

humour is driving me at this point

Context is hearing about a 噂

この街に住んでいたら誰しも耳にするし、避けては通れない一族であっても、都会に居たらその限りではない。

The 避けては通れない一族 part confuses me. "Everyone who lives in this town would have heard of it, ???, but it's not necessarily the case if they're from the city."

>>17181814
look up 避けて通れない and then give it another go m8

>>17179758
Maybe learn Iroha in hiragana.

>>17182018
>>17179759
nvm. Someone already suggested it.

>>17181097
>Is there a series of books similar to the Leob Classics that publishes texts with both original Japanese and the English translation?
Not exactly, but Read Real Japanese books might be similar enough to what you're after

>>17176500
その ＋だと?
What

>>17182139
なら

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>Kira calls himself 僕 in his first scene
>after that he always just says 私
Am I missing something or is this just another Araki inconsistency?

>>17182937
Yes. You're missing the whole point of Japanese pronouns.

>>17182937
I don't remember his introductory scene, but wasn't he pretending to be a beta near the very start, to avoid attracting any kind of attention?

jesus christ

I want to find a single kanji that means "computer" in Japanese, but can't seem to find one. These two both mean "machine": 械, 機. I was wondering, which do think is closer to the meaning of computer, if any?

Thanks

>>17183663
If you want to write computer in kanji I think you would need to use the Chinese word 電脳 でんのう. If you wanted to do something Chuuni maybe you could shorten it to just 脳.

>>17183717
There's a sino-japanese word for computer but it's literally "electronic calculation machine", not a compact word of its own.

Q: クレジットカードを何枚持っていますか。

My answer:
デビットカードなら一枚持っています。

Am I using なら correctly? I don't carry a credit card by I do a debit card.

>>17183792
Yeah, you can use なら like that in a sentence...

But to me, it seems a slightly odd response to the question. It might seem more natural to a native speaker or a more experienced speaker than me -- I don't claim to be an expert, just my opinion

don't give away your card details even to cute japanese girls though anon

I finally found some manga that I want to read (Berserk and Claymore), but reading manga is so slow and irritating compared to texthooking. And I will have to read 10+ volumes in each before I get past what the anime covered.

If I was rich I'd pay someone to go through and type up all the words so I could look things up easier.

>>17183792
yes but you sound like animation

>>17183945
what are you talking about, its not much more difficult, just use capture 2 text on the odd word you don't know

>>17184091
linux tho

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>>17184091
>the odd word you don't know

>>17184120
kanjitomo then

>>17184143
もっと勉強した方がいいね

>>17184147
Oh, fuck, also, are there any digital j-j dictionaries? I've been using tagainijisho that debian comes with and I'd like something a lot more thorough.

>>17184166
they're in the OP as loose epwing files

>>17177799
be actually interested in learning japanese

>AnkiWeb is currently undergoing maintenance, and should be up again shortly

>>17184120
in that case you should be able to code up an OCR using tesseract-ocr in about 5 mins
chop chop, its open source

>>17184328
Why did you need to feel the need to post THIS?

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>all those kanji compounds you didn't mine because you can infer the meaning from the kanji
>realize you won't recognize the words when spoken

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>>17184389
>and you inferred the meaning wrong

>>17184389
why would you want to infer or assume anything
are you in danger of running out of space in your brain for new words?

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>>17184343
>tesseract

:^)

>>17184486
>scanned 2 whole lines
wow you really suck at using it 笑

>>17184486
闔
There's a nice rare kanji for you.

>>17184514
what ever happened to rare kanji collectors, they used to frequent back on /a/

>Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
>がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

ゆっくりしていってね。

Why does he want people to go to /int/ so bad though?

>>17184756
you dont have to tell us its painfully obvious when you same fag

>>17184770
am i now

>>17184775
oh thats easy its pikachu

>>17184775
Working!! has really easy dialogue.

>>17184819
heres what im currently rockin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e9yREVNEGc

>Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
>がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

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>>17184873
lol thanks for letting us know

i can read it but i have no idea what it means because theres no kanjis

>>17184621
blood flow, well known; exercise prior to mental exertion (also sleep well, take fish pills, magnesium, d3, b-vitamins, go ketogenic if you can, lose weight if you're fat, eat clean and do a cram review of the cards you missed right prior to sleep)

also take caffeine and listen to vigorous music you like while you wait for it to kick in and/or work out

might get 20% gains in anki over basline, but also in every part of your life from your cognition to your attitude. also smile more

>>17184892
no not really ive been woke af since the mid 90s

>>17184756
You have 150 different IPs then right anon? Surely you're not using VPNs! That's a violation of global rule 14. And global rule 10 is also pretty clear about "absolutely no flooding of any kind." If you're seriously trying to get DJT removed, then I guess I just completely discredited you. Clearly you don't respect the rules and board culture.

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I usually understand what a sentence is about while reading, but when I look up the the English translation I noticed that I often overlook or misinterpret something.

It becomes clear where I fucked up, but I don't really seem to improve that much.
It's rather depressing, feels like I'm reading a fanfic version of what I'm reading if I fuck up all the time, but I want to learn Japanese so I don't have to read wrong translations.

>>17186547
Are you misunderstanding something or are the english translations adding 'flavor' that doesnt exist?

>>17186547
Obviously you won't be improving if you use translation crutches. In fact, you probably got worse at Japanese over time.

>ともあれ、白羽瀬と町じゅうを駆け回るハメになる。
>当たり前だが、無駄骨とわかってる作業に身は入らない。
Having a hard time interpreting the second part of sentence two. Is the literal meaning of the sentence something like "As a matter of course but, it's a knowingly fruitless effort that you can't really care for/be sincere about"?

おにいちゃんおなかすいた

もやしたべたい

>>17186598
No, the translation was correct, it was my fault.

>>17186642
I avoided looking anything up via translation, but there was a sentence I just didn't get at all and no one here replied, so I looked it up once.
I then noticed that I misunderstood quite a few sentences up to that point, that's why I checked the translation every now and then afterwards.

>>17186752
No. And your sentence isn't literal, it's just awkward and probably only confuses you further since you took the edict definitions at face value. See what makes sense in the context; do you really think that's a normal reply to the lines before? You also read expressions into the sentence that don't exist "it's a..."

>>17187040
Well, I understand from weblio that 「作業に身は入らない」 means to not much energy/heart into ones work, with 作業　modifying what I think means "knowing it's fruitless." So I think I get the general idea if my (shitty) translation doesn't represent it, am I just getting 当たり前だが wrong?

>>17186752
>>17187219
"Of course if you know something is a waste of time, you won't give it your all"

当たり前だが just means that what he is about to say should be obvious but he'll just say it anyway

>>17187219
身が入るってふるいことばだよ

丹精込めてもにているね

>Its boring that hope no diligent work, naturally.

こどもはつかわないかもしれないよ

Disney Channel and other kids/teen TV channels are surprisingly good to practice listening comprehension and acquire new vocab. Especially if you already know the story.

>>17189176
What's the difference between that and anime?

Is there a native text hooker for linux?

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This is the ace content I learned Japanese for

>>17189621
ざまみろ!

>>17189560
Hook the text with your eyes

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What the hell kind of example sentence is this?

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>>17189919
>looking for a safe space even in example sentences
God, you're pathetic.

>>17189919
一体なんの例文ですか！と言って、妻と離婚する勇気もない

>>17189919
He said "I do not want to break apart from an affair," but he does not have the courage to separate from his wife.

>>17189469
Nothing. You can just rewatch a show you've already seen.

Should i learn radicals to help me with vocab? The guide mentions very little about this. I feel like it would be very beneficial.

>>17190333
If you want to, sure. It certainly won't hurt and shouldn't take more than a week or two.

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>using memrise because I like the genki deck there
>だれ has dr. who memes

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>>17190730
>memrise
>genki

>>17190756
I can read it as in read it out loud but I haven't learned anything about verbs yet since I've just started, so I guess yeah, I can't read it as in understand it

いいからさっさと勉強しろ

>もう誰も残っていないはずの、夕日が差す教室に彼女はいた。
Ohhh what a delicious relative clause,what a delicious sentence, my bros. Learning japanese is fuuun

>>17191012
Stop whining, fag.

>>17191045
I was not whining, I was having an orgasm

>>17191055
Your mom had a huge orgasm yesternight.

>>17179631
:D

>>17191012
If you think that sentence has a lot of relative clauses, you've got some real horrors awaiting you further down the road.

famous relative clause from a Japanese educational TV show for kids.

これは僕のりんごをかじったねずみを捕まえた猫のしっぽ を踏んづけた犬 がくわえて来た棒 を切った鋸を持っているおじさん

Understand?

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>>17191482
This is the old man holding a saw that cut the stick that the dog brought who stepped on the tail of the cat who caught the mouse that gnawed on my apple

Where can I buy manga and LN digitally without having to download some app or other DRM sutff?

I've been importing up until now but I'm sick of paying 30% the price of a book for shipping and still having to wait 2 or more weeks for it to arrive.

>>17191602
Amazon

>>17191617
Last I heard you need a Japanese kindle for that to work. Is that true?

>>17191528
Perfect! You deserve the smug face.

Just a heads up, the Anki startup section in the guide (https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html) references old locations.

It seems new versions of anki place the folder in:

C:\Users\____\AppData\Roaming\Anki2

>>17191724
The new version isn't out yet.

>>17191724
Weird, for me it's changed to .local/share/Anki2/ some while ago but I symlinked it back to the old location.

Wonder what made them have a change of heart about this. I believe the program even still looks in the old location and moves stuff to the new one.

>>17191726
I installed 2.0.44 and it moved my folders. Going from the change log it started in 2.0.43.

>Changes in 2.0.43

>Released 2017-02-22.

>A release for Windows and Linux machines that moves Anki’s files out of the Documents folder like we did for the Mac in 2.0.37. This should work around issues with OneDrive setting files in the Documents folder to read only, and puts the files in a more standard location on Linux. The move will be instantaneous for most people, but if your Documents folder and the new folder are located on separate filesystems, initial startup may take a while as files are copied over.

>The manual has been updated to reflect the new locations:

>On Windows, the latest Anki versions store your Anki files in your appdata folder. You can access it by opening the file manager, and typing %APPDATA%\Anki2 in the location field. Older versions of Anki stored your Anki files in a folder called Anki in your Documents folder.

>>17191744
Oh, I was thinking of 2.1.

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I did the mistake of capping my reviews when I had a lot of shit going on in my life last month.
I'm now stuck with tons of reviews and I forgot quite a few words cause I didn't see them in ages.

Any idea how to get back into it?
Should I power throught 500-600 cards everyday until it's getting lower?
I don't think I can do it, seeing as I got a retention of 50% over the last few days, meaning I have to relearn around 200 cards everyday.