Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1791

>>16664303
Dekinai-chan is pretty moe.

Are there are other examples of non-phonetic Japanese kana spellings, aside from グッズ?

>>16664419
I don't see the problem there with グッズ. Maybe ask a question that you know enough japanese to ask?

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>>16664424

ズ is not usually pronounced as pic related.

>>16664435
No, but ッズ is.

>>16664435
ズ can in fact be pronounced like that.

Is "と思う" the informal (or feminine?) way of saying "と思います" ? I always hear it in videos and dramas sometimes.
It's bloody hard to say though

>>16664454
Throw away whatever textbooks you were using. と思う is the normal form.

>>16664454

思います is the polite conjugation of 思う.

>>16664459
>Throw away whatever textbooks you were using
memrise

>>16664465

But thank both of you.

>>16664454
you need to be learning dictionary form dude

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So DJT I'm about one and a half months into my Japanese studies and I have been thinking. You know how you can visualize written words in your better languages but it's hard to do in Japanese? That is how it is for me at least and the way I have been learning seems to be the issue here. I can read a lot of words when I see them but reproducing them from memory is very hard. So far I have always learned from Japanese -> English but I will now reverse it and always write down the answer before revealing it. If I want to get anything close to fluency this seems to be inevitable which I suppose should be obvious. It is probably common knowledge here but this realization makes my previous studies look a bit like a waste of time as what I can produce is only a fraction of what I can "read". Even the stuff I can read comes only very slowly and only by thinking and digging hard. I have often read that reproduction is a waste of time but from what I have experienced so far it is the opposite. I'll get back to my studies now, sorry for blogposting.

>>16664775
You can't reproduce them from memory until you really know them. You won't really know them until you read enough.

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>>16664782
That is a bit the answer I was expecting but surely you would agree that using Anki English -> Japanese is harder and yields better results than learning Japanese -> English. I feel like the latter still encourages you to "think" in English. That was more or less my thought in the previous, if I want to be able to fluently read things I need to know things to a point where I can actively reproduce them and why not simply train doing that instead of trying to force it by torturing myself through a crazy amount of text? It has to be at least worth a shot.

>>16664819
Production training is "harder and yields better results" but the better results per event don't outweigh the increase in difficulty per event. With recognition training you can simply go through so much material so fast that production training simply cannot keep up. This applies to all language features, not just vocabulary.

>>16664819
>if I want to be able to fluently read things I need to know things to a point where I can actively reproduce them
Other way around. Production requires perfect comprehension, but isn't implied by it.

>>16664831
You're right and I definitely considered that aspect. So far I've been thinking to keep up my current Anki English -> Japanese Anki speed but add a Japanese -> English deck for all the material I go through as well at maybe a quarter speed. So if I do 20 cards of recognition in that deck, I will do 5 cards of reproduction in the same one. That way I should have the best of both sides right?

>>16664838
Well it's not like I won't ever go into native material which will show me how to use words. I suppose what I meant is knowing the reading and general meaning of a word and not how I would use it when constructing sentences, in which case what you said definitely applies.

>>16664878
It's better to spend your extra time reading, not doing even more anki.

こんばんわ

>>16665065
What the fuck am I looking at?

How would I describe something as possessing multiple nouns? For example, if I wanted to say a show had drama and humor, how would I word it? And to be a bit more specific, I'm trying to say a show has drama and humor, rather than describing its genre or something. I was thinking something like 「この番組はドラマとユーモアを持っている。」 but it just doesn't feel right. I think it might be because I'm using 持つ with a show rather than a person. I also thought maybe 「この番組はドラマでユーモアがある。」 But that doesn't feel right either.

>>16665149
hint: to

>>16665065
>tfw ywn learn imoutogana

>>16665436
Who are you quoting?

>>16665465
me

>>16665465
My own thoughts

Should I do the reps on my mining deck while reading a VN or after having finished reading and mining it?

>>16665489
Start your day off with them.

正木　柾
麻呂　麿
I like when they just smash the kanji together.

>>16665065

なんだこれ

おはようおにいちゃん

きょうは啓蟄だよ

いしひっくりかえしあそびしよ

>>16665642
経膣

https://www.audible.co.jp/search?node=3445453051

Audiobook-versions of Light Novels

What is a reasonable order for a beginner (me) to learn in?

I propose: hiragana -> katakana -> tae kim + start core2k concurrently -> start reading simple material

This should work, right?

>>16665722
That's the normal path proposed in the guide, yes.

>>16665732

In retrospect a stupid question but that you for answering nontheless.

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>>16665722
Starting with the kana is a must obviously.
I'm a beginner myself so I can't exactly tell you if it's right or not but I feel core2k and tae kim is too barebones to really lay a proper groundwork to get into reading. Remember, no additional studying hurts. If you have time on your hand do go through the essentials (tae kim and 2k) but you should also do Kanji studies. Lots of people say you absorb them through vocabulary but that only happens very slowly and tediously. You can work to recognize all needed Kanji within 2-3 months and I find it greatly accelerates the process of learning vocabulary. Other than that you can work through a textbook like Genki which also helps laying a proper groundwork, as a complete beginner it is helpful at least. Tae Kim is also filled with hundreds of advanced vocabulary and it is questionable how much you will retain if you don't know the words as it essentially leaves you unable to do any exercises he gives you and if you don't do those chances are it just won't stick. I suppose in summary I just want to tell you this: don't restrict yourself when it comes to learning resources. More is better.

にちようびー

はたらこー

はたらこー

うれしいなー

こじつける

って、いいずらいよね

こじつける

なんかくちがイーってなる

>>16665764
>I'm a beginner myself
>but you should also do Kanji studies
Stop and never give advice to another human being ever again.

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>>16665851
I said I am a beginner so he and others can put any advice I give proper perspective. Even so, I'll gladly contest you on that point as I have been learning and seen the results on myself. Others have reported good results as well. You will hardly find any place where people recommend not doing Kanji studies. From what I have experienced even here on DJT people only say you should not isolate kanji studies, which I never advised. Never doing any Kanji studies is a very fringe position and one that I have no doubt will lead to countless hours of frustration. Then again I doubt you're here for any kind of discussion as you didn't even bother properly contesting my points.

>>16665887
There is nothing to contest. You have no fucking experience and are garbage at the language, and will continue be garbage for a long time because you picked the wrong study methods which you are now forcing upon other unsuspecting beginners so you don't fall off the cliff alone. Want to mess yourself up? Fine. Just leave others alone.

Really not getting だけ、しか and あっかり, the results all sound the same.

リンゴだけ = Apples, and nothing else
リンゴしかない = Nothing but apples
リンゴばかり = Isn't it nothing but apples

>>16665922

Last one has the nuance of 'Apples, apple everywhere'. Middle one is what you would say when you open your fridge and find no other kinds of fruit. First one is more of a neutral phrase, I guess, but it's the one you would use when making a request, not the others.

>>16665905
I sure wonder what the Kanji section in the guide is all about. I guess it's all wrong then? As is everyone else on the internet and various Japanese forums, people with much more experience than myself. Everyone is wrong. Only your method, which is represented by virtually no one, will lead to success? Stop pretending to know better than everyone else. I don't even need an insane amount of language knowledge to notice that I'm doing better after learning the Kanji. I don't even care that you think people should just force themselves through vocabulary drills and pick up Kanji like that, which is horribly inefficient, what annoys me is that you pretend to be objectively right.

>>16665952
Not him, but I feel like he's right. At least about the bad studying methods.

I've been at this for nine months and I still suck at it.

Yes, I'm aware I'm not going to be fluent in that time, hell, anything but...

...but at least I want to feel like I've made some progress.

>>16665974
Perhaps you'd elaborate about your study methods then? After 9 months you should not be reviewing Kanji.

>>16665980
Mostly reviewing Tae Kim and learning some words via Anki.

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>>16665989
? ? ?

Is there any website to pirate Japanese PC games? Not talking about visual novels or roms.

>>16666037
Grow up and pick up a book, child.

>>16666046
no

>>16666037
http://pastebin.com/0M2K2qDv
Blocked by the spam thing.

>>16666088
Thanks man.

>>16663781
good read, thank you

うたたねしたら

ゆめに

ポッキーでてきた

おにいちゃんかってきて

たーべーたーいー

so what are the kanji for the 「かける」 in 「魔法をかける」?

>>16666490
I'd imagine it's 掛ける.

>>16666546
http://jisho.org/search/%E6%8E%9B%E3%81%91%E3%82%8B
That looks about right.

i have a ton of vocab written physically. i keep procrastinating the painful work of typing them up into anki.

makes me think i should just get core6k or whatever but then i'll have to sort through like 3,000 or so words that i do already know

what should i do

>>16666742
Read and mine anything you want in Anki. This will be easier and more helpful than transferring your word collection (?) into Anki.

>>16666742
Anki is by no means a necessity in Japanese studies. If writing things out works for you, keep at that.

ドクロちゃんのなかのひと

なくなったって

ごちゅうちょうちゃま

>>16666742
I usually just listen to something in the background

早瀬のことをセックスの対象としてしか見てないと宣言しているようなものだ

I'm guessing it goes something like "Declaring that Hayase is nothing but a target for sex". What I don't get is the 見てないと part.

>>16666971
セックスの対象としてしか見てない
しか見てない
"view as nothing but"

>>16666971
見てない
と宣言する
Same as と言う.

>>16666971
>Declaring that Hayase is nothing but a target for sex
this sentence would not contain として
learn what として means if you haven't

Anyone have the image of that guy with the amphetaneet 9001 tier anki stats with the archer image on it?

>嬲る

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冗談抜き、日本語の勉強することの要項は　どれですか？
＞オタク文化に関心がある
日本語を要らない
＞日本物を感心している
日本語も要らない
＞日本へ逃避行をしたい
基本な日本語に満たせる
＞翻訳者に成りたい
ふざけない。新しいマス方を見つけたい。
いや。。。なんか無意味な努力だろう。
明らかに出来ない。

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>awake for six fucking hours and only worked 45 minutes
人間以下の屑、働け！

>>16667866
エロゲやりたい
それだけ

I feel like the class I am taking now is too slow, whats the best way to expand my vocabulary?

>>16667916
guide

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Beginning to feel the pain at 100 new cards per day.
But i can't stop or do less if i want to finish the deck before i'm dead.
It's not even hard anymore, most day only one or two really new thing pop-up, it's mostly recombination of known stuff.
Why the fuck do i feel compelled to read the example sentences each time. I feel dirty and filthy when i don't, yet it adds so much time for each card.

Oh well, it shouldn't go over 1500 cards per day, i'm sure i can handle it.
At this point anki makes me read the equivalent of a short story each day probably.

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>>16667929

>>16667929
Is that a mining deck?

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>>16667929
At that point just read

>>16667937
That's the core 60k.
Fuck me sideways with a rake if i remember how and where i got it.
The only thing i remember is saying "Thank you. Fuck you." to the anon that linked me.

I don't take those words back, both sets.

>>16667946
>black foreigner in japan
Did he make it?

>>16667946
You can't understand the unending well of laziness i possess inside me.
I NEED anki, nothing else works.

Well, i'm starting to see nip media more as entertainment than work now, so i guess- NO YOU LAZY FUCK YOU FINISH THE SET AND YOU CONTINUE IT UNTIL YOU GO TO <50CARDS A DAY FUCK YOU YOU RETARD

>>16667963
Anki is harder work than reading my dude but whatever works.

>>16667952
how much of that is katakana words?

I remember doing coreplus (~25k) and noticing at least 6k of them were katakana

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What does 一人でも多く mean here? Even one is more?

>>16667982
一人でも多く is a set expression meaning as many (people) as possible

>>16667982
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=一人でも多く

>>16667986
I'm not so sure, where'd the でも go? That means but, you know.
>>16667987
If I could read Chinese I wouldn't be asking for help here.

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>>16667982

>>16667990
I dunno, I think that other guy read the same entry and got mistaken. There's clearly a でも there.

>>16667989
>If I could read Chinese I wouldn't be asking for help here.
TL: Note 英語 means English

ばんざい

おにいちゃんばんざい

>>16667989
>>16667994
do you have an actual question or are you trying to teach us japanese

>>16667976
Not sure.
If i had to hazard a guess, it'd be 20% ?
Not more, probably less.

Guys, I have the Yotsuba Reading Pack but I want to generate a kanji list from these words. Does anyone know of a freeware that can do this?

>>16668036
how would such people even realize that translations are shit?

I have some hardsubbed anime from a decade ago and I never questioned their veracity at the time, even though there's entire scenes where the translator pretty much guesses

>>16668063
They guess.

Based on whether it sounds like a translation, and the writing quality.

Really. Same for VNs, too.

>>16668048
Dump the thing into a text file and run this in the same folder http://pastebin.com/2eh1eeHU
Works for .txts, dunno if anything else.

>>16668048
>>16668082
My bad that one writes duplicates, use this http://pastebin.com/Bjh1Nt3i

リア充を殲滅したいんだ

>>16668071
Is this VN as good as Dies Irae?

>>16668093
おにいちゃん

おはなみにいこ

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>>16668096
I don't think so, the protagonist is really lame, the game has three writers and two of them are bad (different dudes do different routes), and it's just not as interesting on a thematic level.
I didn't finish it, so don't take my word for it though. It's not a bad game overall btw, it's just when you compare it to Dies irae, the best chuunige, nothing stacks up.

>>16668071
分担が適当に見えて草生える

>>16668099
外にはリア充がたくさんあるから嫌だ

>>16667866
Well, it makes sense that you'd post DJT EOP-tier shit like
>要項 in this context
>日本物を感心している
>日本語も要らない
>日本語に満たせる
>ふざけない。新しいマス方を見つけたい。
when you believe Japanese is useless. Clearly you didn't feel a need to put much effort into your studies. Fi

So when I started my decks with a low ease (180-200) for the extra reps. Now I'm sick of it.

Would editing the ease of cards through the database cause any on going problems with scheduling and the like?

私は哲学をしはじめるやいなや「なぜ自分は存在するのか」と自問する。自分を自分以外の宇宙とつなぐ連帯が呑みこめると、そのとき困難は後しざりしただけなので、つぎに私は「なぜ宇宙は存在するか」を知ろうとする。さらに宇宙を内在もしくは超越的な「原理」にむすびつけ、これが宇宙を支えるあるいは創造することにしてみても、私の思考はその原理にほんのしばらくしか落ち着けない。おなじ問題がこんどはそのありったけの含みと一般性をそなえてあらわれる。「なにかが存在する」ということは何処からくるか、それはどう理解したらよいのか。私はこの研究においても物質を一種の下りとして、その下りを上りの阻害として、その上りそのものは増大としてづぎつぎに定義し、要するにものの底に創造の「原理」を置いてきたのであるが、ここでもやはりおなじ問題がもちあがる。「その原理が存在していてむしろ何もないのではないということはどうしてか、なぜか。」

>>16668118
じゃあ

はたらこ

>>16668261
What is the point of posts like this?

>>16668267
君は哲学をしはじめるやいなや「なぜそのポストは存在するのか」と質問する

>>16668276
おしっこー

>>16668261
ベルクソンのコピペやんけ

>>16668289
もちろんやんす

>>16668295
>もちろんでやんす
直してあげた

>>16668276
君は何も知りて出来ない　：ＤＤＤＤＤＤＤＤ

>>16668199
You can increase the interval modifier to make up for it.

>>16668303
>知りて

>>16668300
あんがと

>>16668320
You're the one that 出来る here hotcheeks, if you don't correct me i'll never know what i should be ashamed of.

>>16668331
Are you serious? Cause I find it hard to believe someone so smug would be this clueless. But this is DJT after all.

>>16668333
Yes honey, real serious.

パンはパンでも

たべられないパンは

なーんだ

>>16668358
パンツ？

>>16668375
パンツはたべられるよね

>>16668396
男のパンツ

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>>16668396
確かに

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Jisho / EDICT quality

i forgot the online japanese learner that everyone used what was it called again

>>16668459
its not in the guide either, i know the website had a dragon or something like that, the website offered a free 30 day trial

>>16668412
即座にポストする
スゴイ

>>16668459
>>16668463
I guess you mean WaniKani? It's honestly a waste of money though as you can learn everything with free resources.

>>16668471
yes thats the one thank you very much i couldnt put my finger on it. I knew it ended in ani just couldnt think the rest. But im going to use the resources and this ill try learning again because i dont got much to do, lest time i tried it i was pretty busy at the time. Thanks though

>>16668412
せやかて工藤

>>16664583
Why did you choose memrise over Anki though?

>>16664775
Try understanding Japanese, not translating it to other languages, like when you think of 恥ずかしい you think of this word as embarrassing. But that's the wrong approach, you should treat that word as if it had a meaning of its own.

>>16668090
h-how do I run this?

>>16668692
Python

>>16668561
That's good advice, and probably the number one thing people fuck up about Japanese.

>「難しかろうが、な」
I know かろう is just like だろう, but the above with the が is a statement, right? Like short form of "であろうがなかろうが
So to confirm it's "Even if it appears difficult" ?

>>>/wsg/1574487

>>16668878
I like anime.

>>16668878
you're overthinking it

it's just が

>>16668894
Not helpful.

>>16668911
Protip: he doesn't know what it means either, but still wants to sound smart.

>>16668911
ok

all of this ↓
>but the above with the が is a statement, right? Like short form of "であろうがなかろうが
is garbage

substitute だろう as you indicated, read it again, and tell me if you still don't understand so I can link you the tae kim chapter where が is explained

>>16668878
が here is a conjunction, not a case particle. It's not the same が as the case particle が.

>>16668925
You don't know japanese.

>>16668939
Do you have a resource that says が is the "short form of であろうがなかろうが"?

>>16668956
Nobody said it was. You might want to learn english, too.

>>16668935
>が here is a conjunction, not a case particle.
So my guess was correct, yeah? The が makes the "Even" in my phrase and it's the same が as in the であろうがなかろうが phrase.

Wait, djt thread moved to /jp/? When did it happened? Why?

>>16668964
Yes.

>>16668935
>>16668956
>>16668964
>>16668976
This is entertaining.

>>16668967
It got moved to where it belongs.

>>16668964
>>16668976
Oh, yeah. I should probably mention this is not right and very wrong.

It's funny because literally everyone's getting it wrong in the thread.

>>16669007
Shoot your explanation then, highly enlightened expert.

>>16669007
You don't know japanese.

>>16669007
You don't know japanese.

be a chinafag, already know meaning of kanji, accidentally pronounce it in chinese instead of jap. happens too often.

this is so frustrating

>>16668983

I do understand that, but it stayed on /a/ for quite a long time so I would assume that the mod is fine with it that way.

>>16669030
delet knowledge of chinese

>>16669030
I read everything in chinese with the japanese pronunciation. I wonder how stupid it sounds for the chinese people around.

>>16669037
There were a lot of complaints about generals as a whole so most of them got moved to other boards without any notice. I think they're still around but djt remained here. I think it's for the best. People who want to shitpost can do it on /int/. Sage for offtopic.

>>16669030
i've met natives from both countries who're high-intermediate to advanced in both and all of them report that issue, even after years

you'll just have to live with it

>>16669011
>>16669015
>>16669017
There's no point. In an anonymous setting like this, my answer has as much validity as anyone else's. Also, I verified with an actual Japanese person (surprise: I was right), but there's no real way to prove that, now is there?

I mean what's the point of these threads anyway? It's like the blind leading the blind. You're never going to learn (conversational) Japanese like this. Go talk to people instead. No one even talks like they do in anime and trying to use "big words" in Japanese just makes you sound like a faggot instead (as compared to English and other Latin languages making you sound educated).

And even anime and light novels are based on actual Japanese people writing it and actual life experiences, so trying to understand what's going on in a Japanese person's mind without actually understanding Japan itself is also pretty dumb.

>>16669098
Weak troll.

>>16669098
>In an anonymous setting like this, my answer has as much validity as anyone else's.
It doesn't, because it's wrong.

Go away.

>Also, I verified with an actual Japanese person (surprise: I was right),
That didn't happen.

>I mean what's the point of these threads anyway? It's like the blind leading the blind.
I know japanese.

>You're never going to learn (conversational) Japanese like this.
They are.

>Go talk to people instead.
stopped reading there >>>/int/

why does 毎年 have two different pronunciations that mean exactly the same thing? What's the difference between saying まいとし and まいねん?

>>16669108
annual vs yearly

>>16669098
>my answer has as much validity as anyone else's.
You
literally
did not give an answer
>>16668894
>>16668925
Nothing here is an explanation. There is no answer to validate because you did not give one.

What is arguably the hardest material online that somebody could read?

>>16669115
Translated Ulysses.

>>16669115
someone will invariably post some gibberish that has been classified as 'art'

>>16669107
>>16669114
Oh, I'll tell you because you guys are getting butt hurt. And I can even record a video if you'd like of a Japanese guy sitting right here next to me. I live in Japan with a roommate. In 中央区.

A. "gana" is its own thing. It's commonly used in hougen more often and has its own associated meaning. It's mostly just an emphasis thing. Look it up on google. "知らんがな" is a very common phrase. DOESN'T MEAN EVEN. DOESN'T MEAN BUT.

B. The karou/nakarou form is again mostly used in hougen (you'll see it a lot in kansai ben and kyuushuu ben), it's not part of another THING or whatever. It's its own form.

C. The way this is written with the comma between the ga and na makes this shit look anime-ish. So, don't actually do this when you're talking to people or you'll look like a tool.

So, long story short. There is no "even". It literally just means something along the lines of "難しいと思うけどね". I hope I don't need to translate that too.

Anyway, I'm mostly just in a bad mood. I'm sorry to be so hard on you guys. I'm sure you're nice people.

>>16669137
>Oh, I'll tell you because you guys are getting butt hurt
The only butthurt one here is you.
>A. "gana" is its own thing.
Anon asked about が, not な
>B. The karou/nakarou form is again mostly used in hougen
Anon never asked about that. Also there's nothing "hougen" about it.
>C. The way this is written with the comma between the ga and na makes this shit look anime-ish.
You don't know what "anime-ish" means.
>So, long story short. There is no "even".
There is in fact an "even" or "but" in がな. It doesn't translate as "even" or "but" in english, but it is there.

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>>16669137
>Anyway, I'm mostly just in a bad mood.
No I fully understand don't worry.

>>16669137
>>>/int/

>>16669151
I'm trying to be nice. You're completely wrong. I can record a Japanese person telling you that you're wrong if you'd like?

But it's just going to make you feel like an idiot. Also, please man, stop pretending you know Japanese. People are going to believe you and it's doing a disservice.

>>16669151
>There is in fact an "even" or "but" in がな. It doesn't translate as "even" or "but" in english, but it is there.
??????

How do you use まで or へ in the context of 'to a location'?

>>16669177
That's a thing.

>>16669175
>I can record a Japanese person telling you that you're wrong if you'd like?
Not who you're talking to but let's here it. I'm curious about this argument now.

>>16669155
Awww. :)

I'm mostly pissed because of women trouble, and I'll leave it at that since people are sensitive to that here.

>>16669184
Okay. Give me a second, this shit is a pain.

>>16669175
>I'm trying to be nice. You're completely wrong.
The only reason you say I'm "completely wrong" is because someone else said you don't know japanese.
>I can record a Japanese person telling you that you're wrong if you'd like?
You can record a japanese people saying that something you said I said is wrong, but that doesn't mean they're saying that I'm wrong. You're telling them /about/ what I said, not actually telling them what I said.

Also, the fact that you're falling back on "a Japanese person" is pathetic.

>>16669175
Where is your argument?
> "gana" is its own thing.

>>16668894
>you're overthinking it
>it's just が

>>16669178
Guys?

>>16669196
Exposed!
>>16669178
まで = up to
へ = to

>>16669190
So basically, it's impossible to know what something means in Japanese, because a Japanese person can always say it means something else?

That.... Doesn't make any sense. Also, I already said I knew what it meant before I checked. What do you want me to do to provide additional proof?

Ask 5 Japanese people? At least I know Japanese people. Hell, at least I'm in Japan.

>>16669201
>>16669200
Uh what are you doing still here? You said you were recording a video here >>16669187
Even after saying so twice you're gonna come up with an excuse you can't anymore?

>>16669201
Nobody said anything like that. You're not asking the japanese person if what anon said is correct. You're obviously asking them if <statement> is correct, because <statement> is written in english. You're translating it. That's what he's saying.

>>16669200
So, can I say へ is more generally used because まで implies there's further location but you only go to a certain point?

>>16669204
That's not what I'm saying. I would tell them to rephrase the sentence into something else. I wouldn't ask them if something was correct. That would make me a retard.

>>16669207
へ is used generally. まで is like "Drive up to the station". This isn't a literal explanation. You're not going to get a good explanation.

>>16669118
>>16669119
I was looking for something like Dies Irae or equal diffculty something like that.

>>16669208
>I would tell them to rephrase the sentence into something else. I wouldn't ask them if something was correct.
>>16669175
>I can record a Japanese person telling you that you're wrong if you'd like?

>>16669209
Got it, cheers.

>>16669207
しぜんなつかいかたはぶんみゃくによるとおもうよ

〇学校へ行きます
△学校まで行きます

>>16669210
That's not anywhere near that level though.

is there going to be a recording or can I go to bed

>>16669211
Imprecise language. They would demonstrate that you were incorrect by repeating basically another form of the rephrasing that I provided earlier.

>>16669216
Mr. Japan Man with Woman Troubles will surely deliver. Surely.

>>16669218
Still here and not recording. You said "give me a second" ??

>>16669111
but even in english thats the same except annual is more formal to an extent, or is it the same thing in japanese also and either are interchangeable

>>16669218
That's not a demonstration of someone being incorrect, that's a demonstration that a native speaker thinks something similar to what you think.

>>16669223
One term is made of chinese root morphemes and the other is a native japanese word.

>>16669196
Reminder

>>16669224
Well, no matter what I do, you're going to continue to think you're supar smart. That's fine by me. I don't give a fuck.

>>16669218
The response to you in the first place was an argument against
>>16669196
>you're overthinking it
>it's just が
Unless you get them to demonstrate that anon gave an invalid argument against the quoted text (which *isn't* what you're doing), they're not going to prove anyone's argument wrong.

>>16669229
How many percentages is the video uploaded?

>>16669229
I'm not even him, I just live in the room next door.

Looks like he didn't have the guts to make that video.

しょうゆらーめん

たべたいな

>>16669251
Made an audio recording. She didn't want a video.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Raspwjvczo

Also, all I did was ask her to explain what it meant. She came up with what I did, but didn't know why it would mean that, which makes sense. I don't know why things mean certain things in English, too.

I can ask something in specific if you type your questions in Japanese.

>>16669266
スリーサイズは？

>>16669267
>it's been mildly entertaining to watch you mix us up
Oh, in that case my argument doesn't apply.

>>16669266
That could be just you. I need you both on video, like you promised above.

>>16669267
>where did he say it was going to be a video
My bad, just a bad assumption.
>>16669266
Cool.

>but didn't know why it would mean that, which makes sense. I don't know why things mean certain things in English, too.
If you have a specific example of an english thing where you don't understand why it means what it means, I can explain to you why it means that, as an example for why anon insisted that が there was the same が used as a conjunction.

>>16669266
>むずかしい。わかんない

っていいたいのはわかったよ

がんばれおねえちゃん

>>16669291
whoops, I'm retarded, he says video in >>16669137

definitely time for me to stop posting

>>16669302
Yeah, I did, but she didn't want me to.

>>16669293
http://vocaroo.com/i/s15lnLdpc94t

>>16669280
She says she has small boobs but then got mad that I recorded her saying that.

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>>16668151
見つかったよう。ともかくこの言語は
そろそろ無駄なっちゃている。

>>16669137
>A video of a Japanese guy sitting right here next to me

Why is the recording of a girl then?

>>16669291
>If you have a specific example of an english thing where you don't understand why it means what it means, I can explain to you why it means that, as an example for why anon insisted that が there was the same が used as a conjunction.
Well, since he didn't reply to this, I'm going to invent an example.

The "where" in "wherefore" is the same "where" in "where are you going", but because engilsh worked much differently when "wherefore" was fossilized, it causes a different logical construction in "wherefore". "Wherefore" is the interrogative equivalent of "therefore".

However, it's still the same "where" as in "where are you going", and does mean "where", technically.

>>16669318
I have two roommates. The guy went to bed so I got the girl instead. That's honestly why it took so long. It's 12:30 here and he has to wake up early.

This is fucking hilarious.

>>16669266
It doesn't even matter whether you're right or not, the problem is you needed like 10+ posts of pretending to be high and mighty before you gave the answer. Either learn to explain it in your very first post, or don't post at all.

>>16669329
Also his initial response is contrary to his actual answer.

>>16669329
>>16669331
As in >>16669196

>>16669329
Yeah, but wasn't this more entertaining?

>>16669331
Eh, I maintain you guys wouldn't have come up with what I did unless I posted it. All beating around the bush with no actual translation and no real understanding. Again, I'm sure you're great people, but trying to figure out pedantic arguments after the fact doesn't change the fact that the basal Japanese knowledge wasn't there. I wouldn't have posted otherwise. But I do hope you guys meet your Japanese goals and have fun doing whatever you want to do in the future. :)

>>16669350
>All beating around the bush with no actual translation and no real understanding.
They did much more "understanding" than >>16668894 >>16668925 >>16668956

>Again, I'm sure you're great people, but trying to figure out pedantic arguments after the fact doesn't change the fact that the basal Japanese knowledge wasn't there.
If you can't argue, don't. Just actually provide information. Also, that's not what "basal" means.

>>16669350
>All beating around the bush with no actual translation and no real understanding.
I'm glad you're self aware because no one did this more than you.

>>16669367
this

>>16669357
If you're going to pick apart my English, you might want to take a look at yours.

>>All beating around the bush with no actual translation and no real understanding.
>They did much more "understanding" than >>16668894 >>16668925 >>16668956
That made no sense.

>>16669367
I provided the Japanese equivalent? If you can't go from there, then you've got serious problems.

>>16669369
You too.

Anyway, it's been fun, but it's 12:43 here and I have to go pick up this girl from fucking Machida tomorrow morning.

Maybe I shouldn't have deleted that post...

>>16669376
>That made no sense.
makes sense to me
>Eh, I maintain you guys wouldn't have come up with what I did unless I posted it. All beating around the bush with no actual translation and no real understanding.
"they" references "you guys"
"did much more understanding" is using understanding as a do-object
"than <list of quotes>" is simple

>>16669376
>You too.
I didn't do any of it

どう？

またくっそくだらないネット論争を最後まで終えた感想

虚しい？

ok so what does [難しかろうが、な] mean now

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>>16667929
>>16667952
>The only thing i remember is saying "Thank you. Fuck you." to the anon that linked me.
I remember being told that when I gave some anon Core30k, never heard of a Core60k, though.

Is it any of these?
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2754914665
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2063598893

As a fellow Ankidrone, I feel sorry for you for being in this spiraling madness. I'll stop at 10k and start mining, but I wish you all the luck!

>>16669314
アクセントはひかえめに

フラットとシャープをおおめにつけると

それっぽくきこえるよ

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>>16669429
nvm you guys are useless, google actually gets it right

>>16669463
The dude already answered it
> It literally just means something along the lines of "難しいと思うけどね".
Google actually gets it "wrong" in that it cuts out a lot of nuance. Which is the point of asking, isn't it? To get the nuance, the full meaning.

>>16669480
Most of that meaning comes from ろう, i.e. the entire と思う part.

And が is equivalent to けど and ね is equivalent to な.

So yes the very first response at >>16668935 was right.

>>16669489
Yes

I found this on /v/ I can't seem to understand it
ッwww ろくな日本語を話せないちしょうにはそれしかできない
だが心配ない、随分見取っていればいつかねらーのまねをできるようになる
I assume it means;
lol you gotta speak good japanese, but don't worry, if you really try to grasp at it, one day you'll be able to imitate them.

what does ちしょうにはmean on the fist line? And what does ねらーの means at the end?

>>1666950
ちしょう == retard
ねらー == channel (2channel)
As for the "retard", you should see what you messed up in sentence one (a retard who can't speak Japanese well can only do that)

>>16669505
link?

>>16669505
Why not just google it?

ちしょう is a slang for "retard". ねらー for "2channeler"

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>>16669480
"But it may be difficult". captures the nuance better than と思う which is not equivalent to だろう. The translation of that phrase would be "I think it might be difficult". which is very different.

>>16669539
So the good answer was wrong and the wrong answer was right, just incomplete. Got it.

>>16669513
>>16669517
>>16669525
I put it in jisho and couldn't find the meanings, I didn't know it was slang, thanks

lol for a retard who can't speak japanese you can only do that, but don't worry, if you really try to grasp at it, one day you'll be able to imitate them.

>>16669463
グーグル先生最強だな

I made a quick script to count the furigana attached to different kanji combinations in the DJT library. Okurigana are ignored.
https://core6000.neocities.org/furigana.txt

Samples:
今日:    きょう(866), こんにち(139)
明日:    あした(415), あす(67), みょうにち(4)
僕:     ぼく(728), しもべ(96), べ(10)
昨夜:    ゆうべ(125), さくや(52)
斑:     まだら(107), はん(41), ふ(23), ぶち(12), むら(3), まだ(2)
某:     ぼう(123), なにがし(42), それがし(23)
経緯    いきさつ(96), けいい(86)
泥濘:    ぬかるみ(22), でいねい(11)

Unusual readings are inflated for obvious reasons but the more common ones still tend to lead.

いいスレ

長居 is a cool word and has the same pronunciation as 長い! 長居無用 is a suave expression!

>>16670049
永い is cooler. Also, pitch accent.

>>16669505
>acts all high and mighty and complains about other people's Japanese skills
>says shit like 「をできる」
Geez

>おお神よ、何故貴方はかような試練を与えたもうたか
What is もうた ?

>>16670213
たまう　-> たもうた

>>16670173
https://hinative.com/ja/questions/249272

http://ir.lib.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/en/00022940

Good luck on N2.

>>16670216
Why does it turn into もう? Isn't the past form たまった?

>>16670236
http://oitaddprephighschool.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2010/07/post-65ab.html

>古語『給ふ＝たまふ』→現代仮名遣い『給う＝たまう』の発音は「たもー」です。でも「たもー」とは書きません。

But your sentence clearly is in archaic style, so they go with たもうた.

>>16670251
Link doesn't work for me. Is that saying たまう is pronounced like たも in speech but in writing it's technically wrong? I guess it's one of those things where people did it wrong so much it got accepted eventually, right?

>理性がこれ以上無いというほど警告する。
I can't put this into my head. "My reason is unusually high on guard" or something?

>>16670292
これ以上ない = highest degree, nothing more ___ than

>>16670304
Well that's not the confusing part, more how 理性 and 警告 work together. "Reason doing warning" obviously doesn't make sense

>>16670292
警告する is like "warn". So
>My [reasoning/logical thinking] is warning me [so much it's not possible to warn more].

Parts in [] of course need to be rewritten to sound better. But the gist is that his logical thinking is extremely strogly telling him something is suspicious.

>>16670315
Oh I didn't think of it like that. That makes sense, thanks.

>>16670319
That's what makes sense to me. Consider if it fits in the context of whatever you're reading.

>>16670227
I've already passed N2, but I didn't know that. I'd always thought 「をできる」 was considered substandard usage. Thanks.

Rikai says すんでの所で is almost/nearly, but can it also mean barely?
Like does this mean
>すんでの所で踏みとどまると、悩んだ。
I barely managed to remain, and worried.
or
I almost gave up, and worried. (appaarently 踏みとどまる can mean both stay/remain and stop/give up? how confusing)
Context is a bunch of people stormed into the room and he was about to topple over or something.

>>16670358
Perhaps non-standard. But it seems appropriate when trying to sound like a fag from 2ch.

>>16670364
Using J-J dictionary should clear any such confusions.
Follow the chain.
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/120772/meaning/m0u/
into
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/120771/meaning/m0u/
into
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/120770/meaning/m0u/

Shows how confusing using J-E dictionaries can be.

>>16670375
I'm not trolling when I say this but I actually did try to go on goo.ne but something is up with my internet that doesn't load certain sites right now, which apparently affects all dictionary sites. I actually made a post regarding this in the /g/ question thread as a proof >>>/g/59253992
Weblio doesn't work either. So I would need you to copy pasta the correct definitions お願いします

>>16670392
The first two just lead you to the third.
>すんで‐に【▽既に／×已に】 の意味
>［副］《「すでに」の撥音添加》もう少しで、ある好ましくない事態になりそうなさま。あやうく。すんでのこと。すんでのところ。「―おぼれるところだった」

>>16669224
>>16669225 is right. Also, see http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/32582/difference-between-onyomi-words-and-kunyomi-words for more explanation as to why despite two words being "in English ... the same except ... more formal", there is a difference.

>>16670422
meant for >>16669223

>>16670364
You got it already
He 踏みとどまるed just as he was about to fall
He stopped himself just as he was about to fall

>>16670403
Ah, thanks
>>16670442
Alright. And is the と、悩んだ。 just "and worried" added to the sentence because that sounds kind of dumb in my head.

Beginner here, busy with ひらがな.

Wikipedia's chart says that じ and ぢ are homophones, both pronounced [d͡ʑi]. Likewise, it claims that ず and づ are homophones as well [zu͍].

Out of じ/ぢ and ず/づ which are actually used? Why does this overlap exist for a phonetic alphabet?

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Anyone kind enough to give me some quick Anki help?

Pic related seems like the example sentence should be against another card.

Is this right, or am I too new to notice that there's some kind of complex grammar shit going on, and する is actually being used in a way that I can't comprehend yet?

>>16670625
It'll all make sense when you start learning words.

>>16670625
じ and ず, ぢ and づ are usually 濁点 i.e. 遣う and 小遣い. Just don't worry about it.

俺は草食系だからさんディー豚が大嫌い。

>>16670630
>am I too new to notice that there's some kind of complex grammar shit going on, and する is actually being used in a way that I can't comprehend yet?
Yes, した is the past form of する. It's literally one of the first things you learn in Tae Kim or any other grammar guide.

>>16670667
確かにホモだろう

>>16670650
>>16670658

Thanks. Also, what is this ゔ thing? Is it "Vu" phonetically or is it just a prefix to be coupled with other hiragana?

i.e. does ゔあ sound like "va" or like "vu-a"

>>16670724
ヴ = vu
ヴァ = va
ヴア= vua

>>16670724
It's "vu" but it's basically exclusive to katakana because it's only used for foreign words and names, like ドヴォルザーク (Dvorak).

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>>16670747
>>16670751

ありがとうございました /djt/ you are nice people.

>>16670766
>/djt/ you are nice people.

quick, someone insult him before he gets the wrong idea

>>16670809
自殺しろよテメエ

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>>16670819

いてきます！！！

ive only done tae kim are there othrr grammar guides i should do?

what are some japanese insults?

>>16671648
Why would you want to know that?

>>16671648
外国人

>>16671648
在日

So I started using the Sync feature in anki for my first time and it sync'd for like half an hour with all the media. My questions are:
1. Ankiweb sync automatically? The deskop one is on command.
2. Can I play audio from cards in Ankiweb?
3. Do I need internet or mobile data if I want to study in the Anki App for android? I know ankiweb uses it.
4. Which is better? Ankiweb or the Anki App?

Thanks in advance.

>>16671750
>1. Ankiweb sync automatically? The deskop one is on command.
Other than manual sync, I believe it syncs every time you open or close the desktop application.
>3. Do I need internet or mobile data if I want to study in the Anki App for android? I know ankiweb uses it.
No, only to sync (obviously).

I've never studied through Ankiweb, so I don't know the answers to 2 and 4.

>>16671750

The first sync takes a long time because it has to download or upload upwards of hundreds of megabytes of data depending on the app and the anki servers aren't very fast. After that it only takes a couple of seconds to sync your progress.

>1. Ankiweb sync automatically? The deskop one is on command.

Ankiweb does sync automatically. My desktop one syncs whenever I open or close the application.

>2. Can I play audio from cards in Ankiweb?

Yes, but you have to push a button, it doesn't seem to play automatically like the desktop version.

>3. Do I need internet or mobile data if I want to study in the Anki App for android? I know ankiweb uses it.

You need the internet to sync it but after it has been synced you can do without internet

>4. Which is better? Ankiweb or the Anki App?

I like using the app better but I wouldn't say Ankiweb is bad for what it is.

>>16671750
>the Anki App

There's a shitty thing called "AnkiApp" that has nothing to do with the real Anki. Make sure you use Ankidroid if you go that route.

>淀む
I think just a few days ago I heard some anecdote about some ancient Chinese dude realizing that people are like water, because when they remain still they stagnate and breed disease. I like philosophical kanji.

>>16670630
>する is actually being used in a way that I can't comprehend yet?
Yes. Some nouns could function as verbs if you attach する onto them. The を between the noun and する is usually omitted such as 勉強する

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/verbparticles

>>16671726
Is the implication here that only people who don't naturally belong in Japan would need to specify that they're in Japan?

>待ちたくない
>待ちたくはない
for what purpose
I understand 待ちたくもない but why the fuck は？

>>16671918
在日 is commonly used to refer to Koreans living in the Japan, which are the ネトウヨ equivalent of jews or whatever.

>>16671931
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_night.html#%E3%8A%A5%E3%81%AF

>>16671945
I imagine they talk about them more like more like we talk about uneducated cheap labor immigrants. Haven't seen anyone complain about Koreans owning all the major banks in Japan.

More curious about how a word literally meaning "in Japan" comes to mean Korean immigrants.

>月曜日のたわわ

What does this mean?

Where do I go if there are no seeders for a vn on nyaa?

>>16672076
Look up たわわ. I'm sure you can work out how the metaphor applies to that work.

How do you refer to animals based on gender?

I want to talk about my cat who is a female.

>>16672093
Why the surprise box?
You might be able to find a direct link on anime-sharing.com or warosu.

>>16672105
メス猫

>>16672106
thanks

What common uses does で have asides from connecting 2 sentences when the first one is the cause of the second one?

>>16672107
Thank you.

>>16672107
Oh, just like メス豚

Is kanji damage a good method to "learn" kanji? (The anki deck, used hand in hand with the core 2k/6k anki deck)

>>16672200
There's no such thing as a "good method" to "learn" kanji. Do whatever you want, just don't let it get in the way of actually learning japanese.

まっすぐ自分の席にむかう間、

How is 間 pronounced here? Are the pronounciations interchangable?

>>16672200
Try it and see. If it makes learning words easier for you then it's good.

>>16672098
I don't get it.

大辞泉 seems to be 大辞林 with every entry reworded to be slightly shittier.

>>16672292
You really don't? look at all the images that come up when you google it and see what they have in common.
Hint:its not that they're blue

Further Hint: it has to do with a physical aspect

>>16672120
Locative particle, particle indicationg a tool or mode of transportation, connecting a na-adjective, negative imperative, etc.

>>16672251
あいだ
You'll get a feel for it, but if it's used on its own or after a verb like that, it's likely あいだ.

https://youtu.be/0W6YCBrv2I8?t=100

please transcribe what she's saying in the next second?

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Is this supposed to be と and く?
I really don't get handwriting.

>>16672336
そ

>>16672336
Isn't that a そ?

>>16672336
そ

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>>16672343
>>16672344
>>16672345
That's what I suspected. But how the hell does it look anything like that?

>>16672359
Take the first stroke and tilt it. Easy.

>>16672306
Oh. How lewd...

>>16672359
Handwritten そ has two forms, >>16672336 this one and the one that looks like そ similar to how 4 can be written closed or open.

>>16672363
>>16672367
I see. Thank you.

can any of you guys recommend me non-anime japanglian tv shows to passively aid me in my studies

Anon senpai, I need your advice.

I just had a conversation practice with a native, I feel very bad because I cannot even produce sentences with N4 grammar in it (i.e. 受身形), which is where I'm at currently (roughly speaking). Common expressions which I can easily recognize could not come out when I need it also. This is quite stressing because I can recognize the grammatical structure through DoJG anki deck, or produce the sentence in writing given enough time. But for real-time speaking, it's very tough. It seems obvious that all I need is practice, but I would like to ask your advice on what methods work/did not work for you. I'm thinking of doing some kind of shadowing, as well as typing/writing common expressions as part of a daily journal, or something like that. Do you think this might help?

>>16672464
You say it like N4 is needed. I've realized after reviewing the N5 grammar, that you can convey a lot of stuff already with just that, any native would be able to understand it if you throw other vocab too. Anyways, what I do is theorize what a person may ask me and think up sentences in japanese. Or think up sentences you want to ask them. Anyways, it gets you to be creative and actually busting out all your knowledge to convey your message through the use of this power of Japanese. It's something I actively think about though like on the walk or while doing something. It's not like, write it on paper and completely forget about it for the rest of the day. You have to remind yourself of your sentence constructions like hourly.

>>16672468
Thanks for the insight.

> what I do is theorize what a person may ask me and think up sentences in japanese

This is what I did unconsciously when I first started learning English too. It's good to be reminded of such technique.

> You have to remind yourself of your sentence constructions like hourly.

Instead of a daily journal kind-of-activity, perhaps an hourly voiced/written journal for about one sentence would suffice? This would be similar to a SRS except that this is meant for production practices - If I am comfortable enough after few practices, then I can move on to the next grammatical point (and I will need review it again in increasing time period just like SRS).

>>16671726

在日は?

日本の癌

>>16672511
You could try it out and post about your results. Sounds fitting for people who are used to anki, I guess. I didn't really use anki for grammar, since I actually had someone to talk to. Usually I just used whatever I needed from the DOJG. I look in there quite often. Once you use a certain grammar once, you don't really forget it, at least in my case. It just feels more real unlike anki which is like mindless repetition to me.

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All the pictures disappeared after Core2k, is this supposed to happen? Not that I need them, but is something wrong with the files?

>>16672610
Pictures were only included for the first 2000.

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>>16672634
I see. Thank you.

>>16672641
Core10k with cute anime girls never.

>>16672645
Just mine from eroge and associate each new word you learn with the cute girl who said it.

>>16672655
What if it's from the protagonist's narration?

>>16672660
Play eroge with female protagonist.