Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1786

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Reminder to update OP picture in the future.

>>16554807
I made that though.

>>16554813
This is bad

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>>16554885
Then you don't need it

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How long have you been studying? What's the most difficult content you can understand?

２がつ11にちは

きげんせつだよ

紀元節とかいて日本の旧元旦なんだけど

祝うことは禁止されてるよ

>>16554911
おめでとう

>>16554916
旗日に日の丸を掲揚しただけで

なにがおこるかわからないよ

マフィアこわい

>>16554533
That is very useful information. Sometimes I give a card "the benefit of the doubt" in order to keep retention over 95%, but if 90% really doesn't increase time investment that much I might hit again a few more times in future.

>>16554900
>How long have you been studying?
about 1 year
>What's the most difficult content you can understand?
the chuuni scenes in fate

Deleted the RTK deck with 1930/2200 progress a moment ago. I'll check out the rest of the book for some useful radicals, but I feel like learning kanji on their own was a monumental waste of time. Maybe I'll come to regret it, but I want to finally start learning the actual language, so hopefully it ain't gonna be too bad.

Starting with a core deck / TK's grammar in a jiffy.

Sorry for blogging, but fuck's sake am I pissed at being cajoled into giving RTK a whirl.

>>16555017
Sorry not sorry there's been plenty of warning. Congratulations on finally beginning to learn japanese!

>>16555022
Not him but to be fair the guide does inadvertently give the impression that it's the safest way to go. The section on individual kanji study should come with a much stronger warning

>>16555022
>Sorry not sorry there's been plenty of warning
Are there any actual retards who don't understand that rtk is meant solely for learning kanji and kanji alone?

>>16555047
Yeah, something like the overwhelming majority of people using RTK.

Also RTK doesn't teach you kanji, it only helps you reminder. Wink wink, smile!

>>16555047
The anon that brought up RTK is proof that there are.

>>16555017
Why do the fuck are so many people doing RTK and nothing else? It should purely be supplemental, something you do after you finished your grammar and vocab for the day.

>>16555069
When you finish your grammar and vocab you should be reading.

>>16555069
If you literally can't read anything yet then you should be doing /more/ grammar and vocab. You can study grammar without any trouble, and you need very little vocabulary to be able to read manga with furigana. Spending time on RTK instead of grammar/vocab when you can't even read manga with furigana is a mistake, and spending time on RTK instead of reading when you can read is also a mistake.

>>16555070
I don't see much point reading in the first 1-2 months (which is all the time you should need to finish RTK and TK)

>>16555074
>If you literally can't read anything yet
No such thing.
>then you should be doing /more/ grammar and vocab
Which you do best by reading.

>>16555077
Then you haven't finished grammar. If you somehow finish TK and still can't read, you need to double down on basic vocab, not waste time on RTK for long term benefits that are literally intangible.

>>16555080
This, read and read more. If you have time to do RTK, read, and if you really don't want to read, then study something that directly helps you with reading like grammar or individual words, not something that helps you learn things that help you with reading.

reading between the lines fyi

Is there any way to google a word to get its pronunciation? I'm doing Tae Kim but I think I would remember the vocab better if I could hear the word when I learn it.

>>16555284
wut? learn kana

>>16555284
Install Rikaisama, using that you can hover over words and hear the pronunciation.

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New Game anime season 2 confirmed

>>16555288
Kana don't encode every detail of the pronounciation. Stress, pitch accents, unvoiced vowels and stuff like that
>>16555284
install rikaisama, then hover over any word and press F.

>>16555326
idk dude, I have not encountered a single word that sounded different than I imagined
the only exception that comes to mind is 原因 / 円 but once you learn those then all similar words are the same again

>>16555324
Was the first season something people were recommending for beginner learning practice? Memory is a bit fuzzy.

>>16555411
>for beginner learning practice
No people were recommending it because it's a cute show with ぞい girl in it.

>>16555411
It's easy to listen to.

Posted this earlier, but more context was needed,
http://imgur.com/BBnr2de

could someone help me with the

女と見たら見境ないクソ野郎なんだぜ？

I know the words, and I believe I'm using the right grammar, but it doesn't quite make sense to me. I'm thinking it's saying something along the lines of, Isn't/wouldn't someone who indiscriminately looks at women a shithead, or something, I think seeing another interpretation would help

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>長い
>長居

>>16555669
That's because you cut off the sentence randomly in half. The line that starts with こう comes before that.

>>16555678
what/whom are you quoting?

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When vocabulary mining, how do you decide which words to save? It seems pointless to add too common words since you will most likely come across them often enough anyway, but I also don't want to waste time on vocabulary I'll never need.

This is my biggest obstacle to just consuming native materials currently. Reading without adding anything to my deck feels like a wasted opportunity. Do you just add all new words you come across and delete useless shit later?

>>16555881
Just mine everything that you think will be useful, implying that you've already went through core.

>>16555881
The whole idea behind Anki and similar systems is that they'll bury the ones you've already mastered; it's not something you're supposed to worry about.

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I'm considering to study Japanese.
Just in hopes there's anyone in here that's studying Japanese in Germany: Do you think it's worth it? Would you recommend studying it as 75% or 50% subject?

>>16555669
>女と見たら見境ないクソ野郎なんだぜ
What rance philosophy do you fail to understand? Especially when it comes to THIC.

>>16556067
Don't bother studying japanese in school unless it's literally free and doesn't eliminate any other useful topics. Formal language education is garbage 99% of the time and literally worse than forcing yourself to read raw material within the same amount of effort and time.

>>16556067
You do it alone at home.

>>16556077
>forcing yourself to read raw material within the same amount of effort and time.
within means "for the duration" here

>>16556077
Studying in Germany is pretty much free, I can even get some money from the state.
I mainly want to do it to finally properly learn Japanese, and because I'll be able to study in Japan for one year.

But I agree, it's not a very great subject for my future. Which is why I either want to study it as a 75 or 50% subject in combination with Economics.

>>16556139
Basically if there's something else productive you could study instead of japanese you should study japanese outside of school instead of inside it because it's going to be much better and much faster that way.

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>>16555911
That's the problem, how do you determine what will be useful? Currently going through core6k.

>>16555920
That only solves the problem with common vocabulary, though, not obscure words.

>not something you're supposed to worry about
But this is just the sort of thing I worry about. Maybe the lack of organisation is part of the problem. Is it a good idea to keep separate mining decks for different media or sticking exclusively to mining from one source at a time?

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>>16556150
But if I study something else, I'll learn for what I'm studying in my free time, not Japanese. And after that I'll have a full time job.
I can already read moege, but I'll never be able to read real Japanese books or even just harder LNs at this rate.

>>16556252
If you aren't interested in the language and only out for some dumb job prospect go to /int/.

>>16556252
That just means you can't actually study something else instead, so doing japanese in school just lets you study it in your free time without dropping credits (is that how their system works?)

>>16556260
I don't know how you got that impression from my post. Obviously I'm interested in the language.

>>16556263
Sorry, but I do not understand what you want to tell me.

>>16556269
No if you were interested you would have already started without this irrelevant subject, and would prioritize it over other things in your free time.

>>16556190
> Is it a good idea to keep separate mining decks for different media

- It will break Rikaisama's duplicate detection
- You're gonna have dozens of different decks before long
- You'll have tiny decks from stuff you started and dropped unless you merge the cards into some 'other deck'
- You'll have to switch to your 'other' deck whenever you want to mine some random shit
- Literally no benefit
- Why would you even consider this

>>16556269
>Sorry, but I do not understand what you want to tell me.
If studying something else means you don't have free time for studying japanese, and learning japanese is your actual goal, then you certainly shouldn't study something else. Whether you should study formally at all is a second question for you to answer yourself.

>>16556277
c-cb? is that you?

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why is いろいろ used so much, my teacher says it like 3 times during each lecture, and im starting to hear it everywhere

>>16556190
>how do you determine what will be useful?
Verbs are always useful, mine nouns based on the content you read.
Read a lot of Sci-fi? Mine Sci-fi terms. SoL stuff? Mine school related terms.

>>16556279
Thanks anon.

>>16556298
Because it's ambiguous. They love that shit.

>>16556298
いろいろはいろいろなところでつかえるべんりなことば

>>16555881
> waste time on vocabulary I'll never need.

You'll need to know almost all those useless words eventually if you want to be to good. So the question is: do I need to add this to Anki to learn it? and if you're mining a surplus (pre-10K), is this word worth prioritizing? Rikai-sama has a frequency feature that you can factor into the second decision, though it's not very reliable.

>>16556190
>>16555881
[ ] Can you guess the meaning from context?
[ ] Is the reading straight-forward?
[ ] Do you already know all the kanji contained in the word?

If you can check these three boxes, don't mine it.

>>16556635
Don't be Canadian.

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that feel when fell for the arch meme and now anki won't start

Anyone know what the fug is going on? The problem seems to be a missing dependency (QtWebKit) which can't even be found in the Arch repos. On top of that, Anki itself seems to have mysteriously disappeared from the Arch repos with no explanation.

At the very least, does anyone know how I can back up my progress in Anki without starting it?

>>16556660
not the anon you quoted, but i thought both japanese and canadians were cool with each other.

>>16556693
didn't you read on the past thread? anki got removed from arch repos

>>16556635
People message me first all the time, so generally they are the ones that are more willing to talk to you.
I like to post moments a lot and get corrected that way as well.

I started studying a bit under a month ago, I'm about 400 words into the 2K deck (so it's not like I'm rushing through it), and my retention rate is terrible, like 60% on a good day terrible. How do I fix retardation?

>>16556710
Read more.

>>16556710
That's natural when you are first starting out, imo. If it's too frustrating, pick up a kanji deck.

>>16556710
Don't do too many words each day.
But more importantly, force yourself to read.

>>16556701
No, I wasn't in that one. I try to keep myself from visiting these threads too often because I end up spending all my time posting in them and not doing any studying.

Any idea what happened? Or how I can back up my progress? I would sooner go install openSUSE or something and carry my data over if possible than stay on Arch and wait however many Anki-less days it'll be before they fix whatever the fuck happened.

>>16556707
i was thinking of just deleting and reposting the same post asking for a practice partner every time i want a new friend (so my wall isnt flooded with the same post)

>>16556718
>>16556720
>>16556722
I was waiting to finish with TK before starting with reading. I'm only a few chapters away from the end, so I'll see if things improve after I move on. Thanks.

>>16556298
いろいろ
こと
any form of 言う　

90% of all Japanese conversations right there

>>16556760
You forgot カワイイ

気持ちいい
中出し
any form of いれる

90% of all Japanese conversations right there

>>16556726
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/52903

>>16556758
Anon, you might as well try studying radicals OR simple kanji before you jump into Core.

There are about 200 radicals and this is the sure-fire way to do it, but you can also try and learn Grade 1 kanji (about 80 of them), which are baby-easy and will allow you to familiarize yourself with lots of radicals, stroke orders and stuff.

I had all of them long under my belt when I started Core and my retention never dropped below 90%.

>強ばる
Rikaisama's dictionary says only こわばる, the voice clearly says つよばる. Which one do I believe?

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>>16556693
>>16556726
Alright, after doing some googling, I seems like I just need to copy the "collection.anki2" file from my Anki profile's folder.

Can anyone confirm this? There's a folder within my Anki profile's folder called "backups" which would seem to me to be what I actually need, but I found no mention of that in any of the google results.

>>16556829
The backups are just zipped old versions of collection.anki2. You can open them with 7zip.

>>16556813
So basically it's gone from Arch indefinitely until such a time that qtwebkit is no longer a dependency of it?

Well, I guess it's distro-hopping time again. Anyone have any suggestions? I have my eye on openSUSE but really I'd consider anything that ships with KDE, has a hassle-free install and isn't Stallman-tier about what software it allows in its repos.

>>16556857
Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying that.

I'm still forcing my way through wanikani but I always end up forgetting after a few days and have to go through 300 reviews.

It really stings because I paid a year subscription and barely used it for most of that.

>>16556818
こわばる is the correct reading. つよばる doesn't exist.

is there a keystroke in anki that shows all hidden fields?

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>too lazy to do 190 reps on Anki

It's a goddamn Sunday, why should I study?

>>16556815
This, I also studied radicals for a couple of weeks before starting core. I went through the kangxi radicals which are really not ideal for this purpose and contain a lot of useless shit, but they were still incredibly helpful overall and I would certainly have struggled without them.

>>16556916
you will never learn japanese

>>16556916
what is a rep

>>16556693
>that feel when fell for the x meme
>not using gentoo instead of this garbage "distro"
>>>/int/

>>16557083
Repetition

>>16556908
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%A4%E3%82%88%E3%81%B0%E3%82%8B

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Where does jisho get its example sentences from?

>>16555326
You really shoudnt be worrying about that until you are fluent.

>>16557234
reads like a imageboard post from japan

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Hey DJT can you please give me the essential infos about text hooking in general?

I've used ITHVNR but one game didn't work and I found out AGTH can hook it just fine, even though people here called it shit.

Hook Any Text however doesn't really work with anything I tried.

Does anyone have useful text hooking guides which I'm not aware of?

Also is it possible to hook text from emulators? There is a VN on PSP I would like to read and I heard that you can hook some games, not sure which software though.

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>>16557234

>>16557324
ITH + Translation Aggregator
There are thousand guides to set everything up, just google one.
If a game doesn't work, google it to see if there's a special code for it that you need to put into ITH.

PSP doesn't work as far as I know. What game is it?

>>16557324
>Also is it possible to hook text from emulators? There is a VN on PSP I would like to read and I heard that you can hook some games, not sure which software though.
Usually not, but I believe you can with PPSSPP.

>>16557324
http://craneanime.weebly.com/ith-tutorial.html

>>16557489
Post some more context if you can please

>>16557515
There's no context needed at all here. I googled it and got my answer anyway.

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1411495579

>>16557410
Just need to find out how.

>>16557458
thank you

>>16557388
>What game is it?
Please no bully, the Madoka VN.

お前のちんちんが私のちんちんは触れている
Hey I'm trying to figure out when to use the て form and stuff, does this sentence make sense?

>>16557871
no

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It's been about 4-5 months since I last used Anki, would it be detrimental if I just started a new deck? Thankfully I still have a grasp on most of what I learned.

>>16557871
You should read before you bother trying to produce. Producing sentences which you can't understand is just silly.

>>16557871
The て is fine but I think you're looking for を, not は,

>>16557934
に in this case, if you use を with 触れる it's for when you actively touch one thing to another. 肌に手を触れる for example.

>>16558002
>肌に手を触れる

The hell
Why is it not 肌を手で触れる ? The particles would make more sense that way

>>16558002
>>16558130
触ってもよろしいでしょうか

>>16558130
You're equating it with the English transitive verb "touch." Compare "put a hand on her skin".

>>16558130
触れる is used when one thing is touching or being touched to another. That's why it's labeled as an intransitive verb, but you still see を used with it a lot like in my example.
手を触れる does not mean "to touch a hand" in the sense of reaching out and touching someone's hand, it means "to touch a hand" in the sense of e.g. "I touched my hand to the screen"

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Today's listening practise is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VxsKYoYBU

Roleplay of Japanese girl losing her virginity

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>>16558201
>kissing noises

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Why did she put the の after お客様? Why not use は?

>>16558909
Because that would mean the customers are becoming a bother. He's becoming's the customer's bother.

Did DJT get officially moved to /jp/ or are there DJT's both on /a/ and /jp/? Also, are the DJT threads on /int/ "DJT" or something else?

Thanks DJT

>>16558975
これほどの馬鹿な質問は滅多にないよね

>>16558986
Are the /jp/ DJT's more popular than the /a/ and /int/ djt's? Judging from this threda it seems to be a dead community

>>>/int/71133025

>>16558973

So is の being used as a subject marker? I thought you could only replace が with の if it's a subordinate clause

>>16559000
It's just normal の.
>お客様の御迷惑
>customer's bother

is tofugu good? should I trust anything they say?

>>16559005

Oh, so it's like "(it is) becoming (a) bother of the other customers, so..."

Thanks

>>16555355
How do you know that 猫 is NEko whereas 犬 is iNU?

>>16559115
Are you mixing up ね and ぬ or something?

>>16559115
I listen to the seiyuu in my VNs, of course. How else would you learn it?

>>16559008
It's the WaniKani guys. Tread lightly.

俺は、無用の好奇心で知らなくてもいいことを無理に知り、その結果、後悔してきた。

What does this sentence say, roughly? Having a hard time unwrapping the grammar. Something like "Against my will, I convinced myself that it was OK if I didn't know, but I came to regret the results"...?

If someone could help me out, it would be appreciated

Wanting to learn more for the manga/LN, than for anime, but does the process of learning kana/kanji also provide some level of competency for verbal japanese (both speaking and comprehension of heard words) or does that require additional methods?

If yes, and my emphasis is not on anime/VN's/overseas trip(for the foreseeable future), is it still recommended to work on speaking/comprehension skills?

Also, how much time is recommended to be able to put into learning daily? (currently in college that requires extensive lab time; free time is not always available)

Last question, what method is generally regarded as most efficient for learning japanese?

kana -> grammer -> kanji + supplemental reading?

>>16559319
>does the process of learning kana/kanji also provide some level of competency for verbal japanese
Listening: it depends. VNs and video games with voice acting will help some, but you probably won't get very far without watching movies/anime/drama/etc. Speaking: no.

>is it still recommended to work on speaking/comprehension skills?
Up to you, I believe most people here don't bother with speaking.

>Also, how much time is recommended to be able to put into learning daily?
As much as you can. If you're on a tight schedule, don't spend too much time on Anki - consuming native content is more important and you should prioritize that.

>Last question, what method is generally regarded as most efficient for learning japanese?
There isn't a consensus and there can't be one because not everyone learns the same way, read the guide to learn about the pros and cons of each method and go with the one that suits your goals and circumstances best.

>>16559319
Reading will make it easier to learn listening and speaking, but you'll definitely have to practice both if you want those skills. No reason to make it a priority if you're not going to use it for anything.

I'd say the absolute minimum to make meaningful progress is 1 hour a day, but you'll probably want to ramp it up later (easy enough when studying means reading fun content).

Is there an equivalent term for purple prose in japanese?

>>16559403
Chuuni

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>>16554803

exactly what i was looking for. easy child stories to read

https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html

>>16559411
That is not what chuuni means at all

>>16559209
>無用の好奇心で
with unnecessary curiosity
>知らなくてもいいことを
things you don't need to know
>無理に知り
forcibly got to know

You're somehow getting the complete opposite meaning from the sentence.

>>16559122
he's talking about pitch accent
猫 is 頭高型 so the first mora ね is higher in pitch
犬 is 尾高型 so the pitch is like a 平板型 word but drops on the particle following ぬ

I'm willing to bet almost everyone who makes claims like >>16555355 would mess up pitch accent the second you told them to pronounce 山 or 川

if you aren't aware certain pitch accent patterns exist then they just don't get encoded in your memory along with everything else

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>>16559414
>spaces

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>>16559414
>spaces
>no kanji

This actually makes it harder to read through.

>>16559434
Oh shit I'm retarded, I skipped over the 好奇心 part somehow. Thanks.

>>16559474
not if you're a 4 year old who doesn't know kanjis

>>16559454
>>16559474
The similarity between these pictures is striking.

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>>16559517
気のせいだよ

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>>16559115
how do you know it's bagUETTE and not BAGuette (sounds like "baggot")?
look into japanese pitch accent.
rikaisama shows what mora to put emphasis on, with 0 being the "flat" heiban accent (it's not actually flat by the way).
check out OJAD, especially the prosody tutor: http://www.gavo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ojad/phrasing/index
put in a word or a sentence and it shows you a pitch graph and lets you hear a computer voice say it with proper pitch

>>16559523
Exactly my point.

("Baguette" is a bad example though because stress isn't lexical in French.)

>>16559528
oh, were you making a point? i thought you were genuinely asking the question, but now i see.
also, didn't know stress wasn't a french thing. though i still like that example because it's funny sounding

>>16556870
Just use the AUR.

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For the second sentence, is he using the て form to indicate cause/effect? Like, "it is an abbreviation and therefore is semi-pro?"

I know he's trying to say "that's why they call it/me semi-pro, because I'm pro at catching セミ or something like that, I just don't understand the grammar or how he goes about expressing that statement

>>16559681
略す means to abbreviate
so he's saying "abbreviated, that's セミプロ"

>>16559681
It's just indicating simple continuity, to link the sentence together. "Or セミ pro, for short"

>>16559681
It's just a pun where he's taking something something pro something something semi and saying "Or semi-pro for short". If you applied critical thinking instead of looking at japanese like this exotic alien code language, that would be obvious and tell you how he's using て form.

>>16559707
>>16559709

Thanks. I kind of dismissed the continuity part because "abbreviate-and" X didn't sound natural. Then I realized て form can also work as -ing, so it'd be like "abbreviating (that), it's semi-pro"

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>>16559734
you need to drop the english from your japanese

>>16559740

You mean trying to translate everything word-for-word into English? Sorry about that, I was only doing that to ask the questions

>>16559750
I think he might mean more, if you think you can actually translate word-for-word into English, you aren't really understanding what it means to be a different language.

There isn't always a word that has the same meaning and function. You should try to see Japanese in the context of Japanese, not by comparison to English.

When can I start reading?

Assuming I only know Hiragana?

>>16559776
>>16559414

>>16556693
haha get fucked moron

I went back to Windows because studying Asian languages in Linux is a fucking nightmare.

>>16557324
ITHVNR + Firefox + Clipboard + Rikaisama

is currently the best setup

>>16559776
Might as well start with a VN that you can hook text from and learn kanji by doing that, cause >>16559414 would probably be hard for a beginner imo.

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I thought this 啄 and pic related were different Kanji

They're the same! Even Google translate kept giving the former and not the pic.
Any other Kanji with similar confusion?

>>16560299
Might want to post a picture of what the hell you mean.

>>16560299
i don't get it, they look the same to me

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It looks like the one in the picture is missing a stroke vs. the one my font shows me. Though in the end this is just a font thing nothing else.

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>>16560374
The Kanji I typed 啄 has a small dash going through it, zoom in if you want, an extra stroke can mean another Kanji entirely, but it means the same thing

>>16560358
I draw this >>16560299 into Google translate
And it gave me 啄む there's an extra dash that's omitted in the actual kanji

>>16560383
I don't think it's a font they are two different Kanji you can't type pic related.

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>>16560383
oh, weird

>>16560405
i think it is a font, look at what i see

>>16560383
The version with the extra stroke is rendering with a korean or chinese font instead of a japanese one.
>>16560405
>I don't think it's a font they are two different Kanji you can't type pic related.
You would be entirely wrong. It's literally a font difference.

>>16560411
>>16560412
Okay I guess it's a font my bad but I swear it looked like another kanji

I asked on /int/they said it was a rare use Kanji so idk.

>>16560419
They're glyph shape variations of the same rare-use kanji. One of them is the normal japanese glyph for said kanji, the other isn't.

how does one download the kojien? do i really need a pro whatever account? why would you even upload a 3gb single file on megaupload?

>>16560383
柿 and 杮 confused me briefly. If you zoom in you can probably see the difference.

In the first, the 亠 and 巾 are separate. In the second a single vertical stroke goes through both horizontal strokes top to bottom.

>>16560454
You wait.

すごいデリケートな話で、あえてここだから聞くけどイモウトは部落解放同盟、同和問題、被差別部落、及び部落民についてどう思う？

イモウトなら俺が何話してるかわかるよね？

how do you get better at させる conjugations, let and make are very different, is there an easy way to remember?

>>16560546
スルーあんてい

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俺にマカセロール

>>16560615
Context. It's pretty much a non-issue.

>>16560616
ここだから大丈夫だよ^-^
あと俺は部落民じゃないから安心しな

俺の意見としては簡単に言うと部落の人たちはすごく恐いと思う。

>>16560632
てめえゴロゴロしてやる

>>16560615
it's called "causing" instead of "forcing" or "allowing" for a reason

>>16560457
"kaki"and"kokera"...very difficult...
I think that Japanese couldn't distinguish.

>>16560659
スルーあんてい

>>16560707
もしかして九州とか関西とか西日本に住んでる？

>>16560703
twins
ふたごの漢字ってあるんだけど

しょうじき

まぎらわしくて邪魔

>畳み掛ける
the physicality of this phrase is interdasting

Is DJT happy about New Game S2?

>>16560658
精液を飲まさせた
They let me drink the semen
Or
They forced me to drink semen

One could be rape the other a fetish.

>>16560779
But yeah normally there is context but if a girl randomly said that I might take that as rape

>にほんごを勉強しています
>I am studying Japanese these days.
>何時からですか？
>____________？

えいごにできない

おにいちゃんちょっとヒントちょうだい

しゅくだいのカンニングじゃないんだからねっ

>>16560998
Sin〇e w〇en?

>>16560998
ヒントにくいよ
>>16561014
ｗｗ

>>16560998
"何時から"は"なんじから"と読むのではなく"いつから"と読むとうまくいくと思います

>>16561014
>When have you being study it?
こうかな？ぜんぜんぶんぽうがわからない
>How long did you learn since before?
こっちはぶんぽうもめちゃくちゃなきがする

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Hi anon 先輩
I'm around N4 level and know only about few hundred kanji and grammar equivalent to DoBJG. As suggested here, I started reading a VN that's marked as easy for beginner, that is イブニク/evenicle.

My thought: it's pretty hard to understand the story even with tools like ITHVN & JPaser/Mecab (Translator Aggregator). I'm still on the first few hours, and without some help from google translate (which turns out to be surprisingly good), I don't think I would be able to make reasonable guesses of the non-trivial passages.

So here comes my question:
1) should I continue reading it, or should I be focusing on anki core/grammar book since I'm struggling too much?
2) do I have to make my own deck when playing it?
3) are there any other tips/resources that anon can share for newb like me?

thx

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What does いい加減ぶっとばす mean in this context?

>>16561134
How do you think you get better at reading?

>should I continue reading it
Yes
>or should I be focusing on anki core/grammar book since I'm struggling too much?
If you're struggling you should do both, counter-intuitively.
>do I have to make my own deck when playing it?
No but it's a VERY good idea to do so.
>are there any other tips/resources that anon can share for newb like me?
Some acquisition takes time, not effort. You won't be able to read easily until you've been /trying to read/ for a sufficiently long period of time, even if it's not daily reading.

>>16561146
Knock you silly

>>16561164
I got that (somewhat). What does いい加減 mean? I'm generally confused about that expression.

>>16561172
いい加減にする; 好い加減にする 【いいかげんにする】
to put an end to something
to get something over with
to quit something one has been engaged in too long or to an excessive degree

In a sense, he will put an end to the other person's hurtful remarks by punching him.

>>16561187
Aha, I see. Didn't think to apply the にする one. Thanks.

お早う

>>16561213
おはようおにいちゃん

よくねむれた？

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Guess what arrived came in the mail today!

>>16561284
Japanese sized dragon dildo disguised as a book

>>16559925
This sounds hard too.

>>16561303
It is not a sex toy, nor anything erotic or lewd.
Sorry to disappoint you.

>>16561038
Since when?
で良いと思うよ。

>How long did you learn since before?
これを正しく言いたいなら
↓
>How long have you been studying Japanese?
になるかな。

>>16560754
This is /jp/
Talking about anime is appearently not otaku culture so you better stop before they find you.

>>16561395
anime is mainstream as fuck so yeah, not /jp/.

>>16561284
Looks like Pocky.

Are we in a golden age for learning languages? I just downloaded ITHVNR and this is absolutely amazing. I took German in high school and what we can do now with Rikaisama, flash cards, and now programs which can hook into a game's text and output it in text form which can be added into Ankidecks just by hovering over that word...is mindblowing.

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>>16561423
>mainstream as fuck
Maybe in your little nerd club in school it was.

>>16561454
Face it loser, your hobby is now mainstream. You're losing your hipster lisence.

>>16561525
Spoiler, VNs and LNs are mainstream now too. So are touhou and typemoon. So is not wanting to work and hoping someone institutes a socialist utopia.

/jp/ won.

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>>16561303
>>16561441
It's the latest conan LN!

>>16561550
That cover is extremely distracting in how bad it is.

>>16561564
Yeah, when you take it off there's just a normal blue background with white text that is the actual cover of the book.

It's more like an advertisment foldout than a cover really, with all the previous and upcoming novels inside.

>>16561450
For learning maybe, but soon that will become obsolete when you can just download the knowledge into your brain.

>>16561725
>soon

>>16561736
Not in your lifetime, but in the next 1000 years.

Pretty soon if you ask me.

Retard beginner questions here:
I'm still having a hard time grasping て form and its conjugations.

>Why are some verbs end up only in the て form in some sentences? Is this common? is て form still the same tense as the non-conjugated verb?

>If ない is "does/will not" tense (信じない - does or will not believe), た is past tense (信じた - believed), ている is progressive tense (信じている - believing). What is 信じていた then? "have not believed"?

>>16561778
>信じていた
Technically 'was believing' but often not translated in this way. This would usually be thought of as just 'I believed'.
It's simple grammar. Just indicating a progressive action that took place in the past.

>>16561813

Not the guy who posted the picture, but I don't understand anything after はなびしてくるって. What is all that stuff after that?

>>16561838
言っておかないと

>>16561858

Thanks

>>16561778
Consider that te-form is also used as the imperative form.

It also functions as "and" between 2 verbs.

>>16561796
>>16561882
Ok thanks.

>>16561858
Thanks, this is where I was having trouble as well.

Would you guys be interested in helping me make acurate chart for cursing in Japanese? I can't seem to find on, and I feel like it could be fun

>>16561778
Honestly, who the fuck are you quoting?

To answer your question, て-form can be used as short for てください and to link sentences (see the notes at https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_night.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%A6), like >>16561882 said, but another common use is て by itself at the end of the sentence to indicate hesitation/trailing off. Think of it as the equivalent of ending a sentence with "so..." or "but..." in English.

>>16559454
Even a native would have trouble reading hiragana only text without spaces, chill.

>>16561152
this is very helpful and encouraging. thank you!

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New epub/azw3 novels added to the CoR from various raw sites. They've also been converted to HTML and added to the online reader.

[田中ロミオ] 犬と魔法のファンタジー (a ガガガ LN by Romeo Tanaka)
[屋久ユウキ] 弱キャラ友崎くん Ｌｖ．１ (another ガガガ LN)
[横山洋子] １０歳までに読みたい世界名作 (Famous stories with anime illustrations for children under 10. Very easy.)
[作者未詳] 虫めづる姫君～堤中納言物語～ (The heroine of Nausicaa was inspired by this 姫君.)
[Ｊ・Ｋ・ローリング] ハリー・ポッター (The text was in the CoR before, but this is the retail version with images.)
[大塚卓嗣] 天を裂く (historical fiction)
[簑輪諒] うつろ屋軍師 (historical fiction)
[簑輪諒] 殿さま狸 (historical fiction)
[都筑道夫] 未来警察殺人課 (SF)
[鏡明] 不確定世界の探偵物語 (SF)
[川又千秋] 幻詩狩り (SF)
[EKZ] 姫騎士がクラスメート！
[おかず] 超次元ゲイム ネプテューヌ はいすくーる
[ゆうたろう] 異世界最強は大家さんでした
[ピンク色伯爵] 最凶魔術師の異常なる逃亡生活
[ムク文鳥] 俺のペットは聖女さま
[中田永一] ファイアスターター湯川さん
[乙一] カー・オブ・ザ・デッド
[再藤] スライムなダンジョンから天下をとろうと思う
[割内タリサ] 異世界迷宮の最深部を目指そう
[吉野匠] ショウ
[愛山雄町] Trinitasシリーズ
[木根楽] レジェンド・オブ・イシュリーン
[瀧津孝] 桜ノ杜ぶんこ 戦国ぼっち
[田中康弘] 山怪 山人が語る不思議な話
[竹熊健太郎] 竹熊の野望 インターネット前夜、パソコン通信で世界征服の実現を目論む男の物語
[竹熊健太郎] 竹熊の野望　インターネット前夜、パソコン通信で世界征服の実現を目論む男の物語
[青野海鳥] 夜伽の国の月光姫
[風来山] 酷幻 想をアイテムチートで生き抜く

>>16562619
お疲れ様

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Does Japanese really have as many onomatopoeia as English manga translations want me to believe?

[sound of door creaking]

Is there anywhere where I can look them up? Particularly, I need the Japanese symbol for the sound of pooping. Please spare me having to go through assorted scat H-manga to look for SFX.

>>16562630
Don't complain and go do your homework. I won't even ask why you're looking for that in the first place.

>>16562630
If you're going to post spoilers, please say where they're from.

>>16562619
Cool. Still hoping for the day the 戯言 series gets uploaded in something that isn't scans. Or the すかすか series. Or 舞城王太郎's books. One day...

>>16562662
Why upset about scans?

>>16562666
He's probably hoping for text because you can't use rikai on scans.

>>16561450
>Are we in a golden age for learning languages?

No, but it is the golden age of learning Japanese. Japanese has better tools than any other language. I wonder if it is because programmers tend to learn Japanese over other languages.

>>16562630
>Does Japanese really have as many onomatopoeia as English manga translations want me to believe?

Yes. Little fuckers won't stop adding them to every goddamn sentence.

>>16562682
Eeeehh? Who would want to read works from their favourite authors when they're so bad they're reliant on auto dictionaries to read? Just study for like a year and that won't be an issue!" That "hoping for the day" as if he expects to continue in that state for years....

>>16562691
Not him but I still need full furigana to read without rikai and I've been going for about a year (in terms of NEET effort years, not actual time spent)

>>16562697
My phrasing was slightly poor, I mean "a year from his current state". Not from 0. So more around 2 years. Not long. Plenty of material to read in the meantime. And, more importantly, NOT SOMETHING LIKE ZAREGOTO! Seriously, who would read fuggggen NISIO while not relying on auto dictionaries? Take a chill pill and read some harem sol bud

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So, in what distros is Anki not broken right now?

>>16562097
Verbs in te-form can also be used to trail off or to appear hesitant at the end of a sentence, don't know if you meant that. I thought about mentioning it but it's mostly spoken word and rather rare for an ultra beginner.

>>16562755
One where you can compile it from scratch.

If you're on arch just install it from the AUR.

>>16562769
>If you're on arch just install it from the AUR.
That's what I've done, but add-ons don't work with it because they're all made for the 2.0.* versions.

What work around are people on other distros using?

>>16562755
Windows

>>16562794
There are multiple AUR versions. Someone made a 2.0.* AUR package soon after anki was removed from the main repo.

>>16562808
The 2.0.* version depends on something which was removed from the official repositories for being insecure. It's in the AUR but I don't really want to install it.

>>16562815
Well, that's the workaround. You could also run it through wine. Then anything that's malicious would have to go through wine before it gets to your OS, and no other programs could depend on the insecure library.

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Someone recommend me a book or two from the DJT library site. Or if it's not on there that's okay too, whatever. I have been reading nothing but eroge and want to try out some actual books.

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>>16562876
人類は衰退しました if you're good.

>>16562662
Why is the 戯言 series praised so much here anyway? Is there some list of best Japanese books ever with it I'm not aware of? Admittedly I only read the first volume so maybe it gets better, but while it was good and very unique it's no masterpiece you'd learn Japanese specifically to read, like Iriya.

>>16562956
Nisio's writing flows like no other, it's the crack of the book world. Give the second volume クビシメロマンチスト a shot, it's a pretty big uprade and many even consider it the best in the series.

>>16562919

I guess it could be a good introduction to Romeo. Thanks for the rec, I will save that for a bit later though as I am positive it would confuse me since I was confused enough watching the anime in English.

>>16562662
The first 戯言 novel is in the CoR/library in epub/azw3/html (titled クビキリサイクル).

>>16562990
The anime is just a mess and adapts bits of random volumes out of order.

>>16562980
Alright I'll do that, I suspected he gets better given the praise he gets, no way that first volume goes in the same sentence as Iriya. 期待してるよ

>>16562956
It's barely mentioned. But for some reason people have been talking about lately

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>今日も一日がんばるぞい
一日とは？
なんか分かりません気がする

>>16563197
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/
どうぞ、白痴くん

>>16563206
Why use both 今日 and 一日 though?

おはようおにいちゃん

かぜひいたかもしれない

ぐじゅぐじゅする

はなが

>>16563217
その具合で学校行っちゃだめだよ
ちゃんと粥を食べて寝ろ

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>>16563206
>>16563206
>>16563206
あのねアノンくん
わたしは日本語できません
そのページはまだむずかしいのでここへ来た

>>16563212

Because they're emphasizing two different things? All day, every day.

>>16563231
パパおかゆつくって

>>16563274
パパはもう亡くなった、お兄ちゃんしかいないよ
ごめんね
さぁ服を脱いで体洗うから

>>16563239
You mean today, all day.

>>16563212
今日も一秒がんばるぞい！

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なにこれｗｗｗｗｗｗ
滅茶苦茶だよ

I took this (http://www.kecl.ntt.co.jp/icl/lirg/resources/goitokusei/goi-test.html) vocabulary test. It's hilariously inaccurate. The only reason I got that high is because I knew both 泥濘 and パララックス which happened to be #48 and #49. I tried unchecking those and the score dropped 20,000. Yeah okay.

>>16563300

The も implies multiple days, to me anyway.

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>>16563319

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why there are 2 forms of the tea kanji? what is correct "+ +" or "+-+" ?

>>16563363

Laughed at this, where did you find this? I haven't read 泥濘 as でいねい before but I definitely have mistaken it for どろぬま when reading quickly.

>>16563376
どっちもくさかんむりだよ
ふるくは、よこよこたてたて
いまは、よこたてたて

>>16563376
They look all the same.

>>16563416

count the strokes

4 strokes "+ +"
3 strokes "+-+"

>>16563376
Can you not count to three?

>>16562755
It works in every distro if you just download and execute their pre-compiled version.

It works on arch if you keep python2-pyqt4 on 4.12-1
You can install it via downgrade.

>>16563420
That's not an extra stroke, just drawing the previous one longer.

>>16563425

so 2 "ten" radicals are the same as 1 "grass or flower whatever" radical?

>>16562769
>One where you can compile it from scratch.
So literally any distro imaginable?

>>16563435
What are you even on about? You posted three variations of the same kanji and for some reason said that's actually two and not three.

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>>16563463

try to write this in 3 strokes

>>16563470
You can easily do it in 2, there is just one blank space between them where you'll have to lift your pencil?

>>16563470
Where did I say anything about this or even imply that it's possible? I guess you're shit at reading too?

>>16563475
> have to lift your pencil?

doesn't it end a stroke?

>>16563463
>three variations of the same kanji

one variation clearly breaks the middle stroke into 2, other 2 variations don't break the stroke

>>16563510
Oh, so you can actually count to three? Why did you imply that there were only two variations on that image then?

>>16562990
Are you watching Asenshi subs? Don't trust anyone other sub for Jinrui. They poo.

>>16563475
>there is just one blank space between them where you'll have to lift your pencil?
Not a question.

>>16563376
That is chink style, if you get it in your browser, change your fonts to something UTF-8 compatible.

>>16563693
yeah he gave up trying to make linux work and went back to actually studying
the absolute madman

>>16563714
>make arch work
fixed that for you. he chose a pretty shit distro so that's only to be expected.
"people" like him really should stick to windows.

Apple Japanese Input or Google Japanese Input? Are they both good or is one better than the other on macOS?

>>16563816
I haven't used the native input very extensively but the Google one seems better.

Is there a proper way to translate the speech of a male character who ends most of his sentences with ぞ ?

>>16564100
After trying it for a while, you're right. It's okay with the live conversion turned on although pretty awkward having everything instantly convert. With it turned off it doesn't smart convert like google does. For example I have to manually choose気 for 気がする。Else it spits out 木がする。Also you can't type in English without switching back to English. On google you can capitalize and type freely in English.

>>16564154
End it with an exclamation point? I'm not really sure.

>>16564154
>Is there a proper way to translate x
No. Any translation is by definition not proper.

When did you guys make the switch from a J-E dictionary to a J-J one? I feel like I could use a J-J dictionary but it would take me like ten minutes to understand the definition, but I feel like I should start to move away from my reliance on jisho.

>>16564544
It became easy after a few VNs and lots of Anki. I never forced myself to use it, it became desirable. Clicking through goo or kotobank definitions is sometimes more compelling than whatever I happen to be reading.

>>16564544
Several years in and I still use jisho when I don't feel like I need a more detailed definition. It's just so easy to use.

>>16564544
Where do you even stand on when using a J-J one?

On base vocabulary learned in your mother tongue?

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>"娘"の名前の名前
なぜ？

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In the first sentence, is it common to just use the stem of the てみる form to say "would you like to try to..."? Is omitting like that just for the てみる form or does it apply to other times of grammar as well?

For the second sentence, is it literally like "If I knew the way to hold (this), it would be good, right?" and less literally "How do I hold this?"

Hey I'm going through and learning the joyo kanji, and is there any particular instances where getting the radicals 士 and 土 confused within another kanji in the joyo kanji?

>>16564843
1: It seems fairly common, but I believe it's only valid for みる or at least I don't recall seeing it used with other auxiliary verbs.

2: Your second interpretation is correct and is what the sentence means, but the literal one is not. It's more like "Which manner/what means of holding [this] would produce a good result?"

>>16564939

Thanks

>>16564905
Nope.

>>16564905
No but these are fun:
郷土
郷士

>>16564989
>>16565017
Thanks guys

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>>16564544
When it got to the point where very consistently the words I were looking up were so obscure/Japanese/narrowly-defined-nuance that the English definition in EDICT was consistently either nonexistent, wrong, or too vague to be helpful and thus J->J was necessary to actually find out what the word means.

I sometimes use J->E when reading harder works like on the bottom of this chart just to get the English name of nouns, like 硫黄 -> sulfur, better to just see it's "sulfur" than to relearn what sulfur is.

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Ended up picking up a XC-K40 a while back, ended up being cheaper than buying the kikutan apps(not that the Japs have pushed the apps onto the android store).
Neat little device, they sell the joy study now but fuck spending $80 for one, only complaint is lack of rechargeable battery.

つきのわるつー
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cganW8kwG-s

English: The road to hell is paved with good intentions
Japanese: 優しさとか思いやりとか誰かが好きとかとにかくそういう善意で括られるような気持ち諸々そんな良い物で敷き詰められた道でも最悪に向かうときがある。
What the absolute fuck

やさしさとかおもいやりとかだれかがすきとかとにかくそういうぜんいでくくられるようなきもちもろもろそんなよいものでしきつめられたみちでもさいあくにむかうときがある

私は日本語を話したい、コンピュータに話したくない

これこそが我々の崇高なスレではないか！
こんな無意味な小田原評定

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-t1vweYTOQ

ものみな眠る小夜中に
In der Nacht, wo alles schläft
水底を離るることぞ/嬉しけれ/
Wie schön, den Meeresboden zu verlassen.
水のおもてを頭もて
Ich hebe den Kopf über das Wasser,
波立て遊ぶぞ/楽しけれ/
Welch Freude, das Spiel der Wasserwellen
澄める大気をふるわせて
Durch die nun zerbrochene Stille,
互いに高く呼びかわし
Rufen wir unsere Namen
緑なす濡れ髪うちふるい
Pechschwarzes Haar wirbelt im Wind
乾かし遊ぶぞ/楽しけれ/
Welch Freude, sie trocknen zu sehen.

Are 嬉しけれ and 楽しけれ in their classical 已然形 and if they are, why is it used without ば or　ど（も）?

>飛び魚

Why?

>>16566328
You're correct that they're in the classical 已然形.

The ば and ど（も） are only used for 接続助詞.

>>16566328
http://thejapanesepage.com/w/index.php?title=Conjugation_Bases

>Literally, "completed state form", also called Perfective, opposite of 未然形. In classical and especially Old Japanese used as a form for completed actions. It could be used on　its　own,　for　example

>>16566378
ひろのしん？

妹はエッチな気分になったときどう処理してるの？

>>16566762
ピストン

>>16566785
ピストンって？

相手がいるんだよね？

>>16566791
ピストン知らないの？！
きゃははこれは本物の童貞ね！

>>16566807
童貞じゃないけどピストンって普通にピストンって意味じゃないの？


なんかスラング的な意味が込められてるの？

ガチで知らんわ

>>16566817
ピストンっていうことは、ガンガン突っ込む（チンポは、マンコに）ことだよ。

>>16566842
だから相手（彼氏とか）がいるんだよね？

>>16566858
・・・言うまでもないと思ったがあんたは相手よ（兄として）

>>16566864
キャラ演じなくてええよ

ガチで答えて

>>16566879
そのつもりでいったけど・・・

>>16566884
でも前に処女って言ってなかった？

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What does よそには負けねー　mean?

>>16567209
よそ can mean "them" or "the others", as an antonym to うち

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>>16567225
What does 仕入れる　mean here?

>酒
>酢
>酸味
I like randomly finding these kind of connections.

>>16567354
tabun
販売や加工のために、商品や原料を買い入れる