/lang/ - Language Learning

>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

LANGUAGE-SPECIFIC IMAGE GUIDES/WALKTHROUGHS:

>Arabic
https://i.imgur.com/GaPEIBr.png

>Farsi
https://i.imgur.com/zAN5eMU.png

>Finnish
https://i.imgur.com/thYqRE9.png

>French
https://i.imgur.com/UpCEFWl.png

>German
https://i.imgur.com/ZTrFFlB.png
https://i.imgur.com/CzpgmUP.png

>Irish
https://i.imgur.com/OR95Lah.jpg

>Japanese
https://i.imgur.com/Ur8PzMZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/InA8n4n.png

>Mandarin (traditional characters)
https://i.imgur.com/mNvOu9i.png

>Russian
https://i.imgur.com/zhwCKlo.png

>Spanish
https://i.imgur.com/AKboS8t.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IQW5sKT.png

>Swedish
https://i.imgur.com/zjjjxct.png

>Turkish
https://i.imgur.com/IgPQdj8.jpg

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>finish Pimsleur lesson
>it's difficult and don't feel like I really got it all
>end of lesson the speaker reminds me that Pimsleur works best in succession every day
>don't know if I should continue or repeat, not clear on how well I should know each lesson
I mean I can keep going but I feel like if my foundation isn't completely solid it might fall apart in later lessons. I'm partially way through Spanish II Pimsleur. So three more to go after this set of 30.

>>78861599
If I feel like I didn't get the Pimsleur lesson I just did, I continue with 1 more lesson or switch off to Duolingo, studying from a book etc. But the next day I go back and repeat the one I was screwing up

It helps to give your mind some time instead of immediately repeating content you didn't understand, do it the next day

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>that bit in Pimsleur where the bloke keeps keeps asking the woman to go for a drink with him at different times
>she keeps saying no

>>78861599
they say you should know about 80% IIRC

>>78861476
How can i change keyboard language if i want to do Duolingo lessons on my phone?

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>>78862558
Thank you. I'm just worried if I end up not doing them often enough two things will happen:
1) The spaced repetition will not be as good because I'll have spaced out lessons too much
2) It will take me ten months to a year to complete and I won't have made enough progress in a reasonable amount of time. I mean 150 lessons, if I only progress every other day is 300 days. I do other stuff too like Duolingo and Michel Thomas...

>>78862705
kek. Yeah. "I'm sorry I don't have time now" "what about later?" "oh no I can't later"

>>78863003
On iPhones you can do it under General > Keyboards .. where you add the keyboard you want. Then you can tap the globe to switch between them, or it automatically switches most of the time.

>>78862705
>they say you should know about 80% IIRC
I have a hard time gauging where that 80% is. Sometimes I can get maybe 90% of it, but it takes me a while. Like I have to pause it. They don't give very much time to respond. Michel Thomas is much more practical about that.

>>78863068
Pimsleur is literally the best program for actually speaking. If you cap off finishing it with a trip to wherever speaks whatever you're learning you will be able to communicate thoroughly.

Did the Norwegian one and was able to do basically everything there in Norwegian without reverting to English

>>78864067
That's comforting, thank you. I'm worried I'm not learning it that well. I can do the lessons, but when I try to speak to a native I stumble a lot. I'm hoping it clicks more.

How long did it take you to do the whole program?

>>78863503
>Like I have to pause it.
Yeah I have the same problem, they talk quite quickly as well

>>78864609
Somethings from early early lessons I know so well I can spit it out in time, I'm hoping it gets to be that way for this current more complicated stuff.

Anyone know of a good German / Russian crash course resource? I've studied both for years but have been lazy recently and would like a quick refresher before I take a language test next week

>>78863003
If its android go into system and then find language settings, add whatever language you want and you can swap the keyboard by swiping the space bar

>>78864242
2-3 months? In addition to doing other things. Norwegian only has two sets and itself is probably one of the simplest languages there are so it depends on what you're doing.

>>78864871
what level are you talking about? Duolingo is absolutely frustrating if you already have a significant background in it

For an actual test I would recommend a grammar book and to just grab a dictionary and go read Der Spiegel. As for textbooks the one I use is about thirty years out of print so I can't really suggest anything

>>78866455
If you're familiar with the 1-5 scale, I listed myself as a 2 in German and a 3 in Russian. I'm pretty confident I'll do fine in Russian, but I grew up speaking German with family, so while I have a decent grasp on it I 1) never had a formal education in it (so my grammar is poor) and 2) haven't spoken in a few years since moving out

>Only a course creator can change test direction in memrise
Why would they do this

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So i wanted to learn french for its reputation of translating literally everything from everywhere but i can't stand ridiculous differences between writing and spelling words. I absolutely hate it. What do?
Are there any other alternatives? Which languages can provide a great source of philosophy amd more important political literature?

>>78868559
In my mind french sound so beautiful if i read it like spanish, english or latin. But no lets fucking sound like ridiculously edgy faggits REEEEEEE

>>78868913
This is why we here in French-Canadiana think it's atrocious what the French are doing to the language, intentionally mispronouncing words to sound ''posh''.

Going to the foreign language club at my university tonight. There probably won't be anyone who speaks the language I'm learning (Korean), but oh well.

>>78868913
Pleb. If I hear you read French like English, I'll smack you.

>>78868559
You get used to the orthography through exposure. If you really want to give up, well then,

>Which languages can provide a great source of philosophy amd more important political literature?

German. Don't come back in a month, saying "oh the grammar is so rigid, why are they such autists, any alternatives?"

>>78868559
Latin, Ancient Greek, German.

>>78866607
>but I grew up speaking German with family

German born? Or are you from North Dakota or something? Not familiar with the 1-5, but I can understand what you're getting at

I'd still stick by my suggestion but if you feel that poor in grammar than you should focus on going through a textbook, maybe duolingo or something. If you're comfortable with Russian then I'll assume you're perfectly fine with playing around with cases and tenses and stuff. I remember using a Deutsch Heute book for basic German if you want to look for that; it's pretty gay though

>>78869160
this
German is superior to French in philosophy, theology, and politics while lending itself to translating into English relatively poorly as compared to French (from my experience). It's not that difficult to get your foot in the door, but getting to a level of actually reading philosophy will take several years of pretty active studying

>>78869160
>>78869312
Jesus i am retarded. Yes ,german!

>Muh german is hard because of 4 cases.
I don't worry my language have 7 of them.

>>78869413
Yes but we are turboautists with syntax that is not nearly as flexible as Slavic languages.

>>78869413
I don't get why people focus on case/gender in German so much, the grammar is pretty straightforward. I just find that it has a lot of complex vocabulary that is regularly used as compared to say, a Scandinavian language

>>78866381
Ah okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the feedback, makes me feel better about my progress.

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>>78869508
If I love anything about language learning it is syntax. I meddles with polish so it won't be that hard. But I've seen what it looks like when you try to read Hegels Phenomenology of spirit so I respect it.

Anyway , thank you. No offense bit I kinda avoided german cause it is possible to be replaced with arabian in few decades but what do I care. I want it for literature , not for living there.

>>78869539
>I don't get why people focus on case/gender in German so much
I think it's mostly just anglophones who have never seen a noun having a gender or a noun being inflected for cases who do this.

>>78868559
>but i can't stand ridiculous differences between writing and spelling words.
imo the spelling is more regular and has less exceptions than english.

thread ded

>>78876727
Works been busy today, haven't had much time to bump the thread or practice my TL.

Want to learn Cantonese desu.

In Duolingo
>cкopee вceгo, идти нaдo нaпpaвo
translates to
>We probably have to go right

How is the subject inferred from the sentence? Couldn't it be "I/you/he/they have to go right"?

>>78877795
The stricter translation would probably be "Probably, it's neccesary to go right"

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>>78868913
>reading french like english
Please, God, no.

>>78878315
Cпacибo, в этoм ecть cмыcл

>>78878621
Reminds me of Americans I saw in Mexico saying ''Two sir-vay-ces pour fe-vore'' to order beer. No wonder they're disliked as tourists.

Task for tomorrow. Make picture showing all the... Prepositions? Not sure what they're called in English. Anyway, words like in/on/below/next to/opposite

>>78879736
Prepositions would be right. What language?

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>>78879736
Picture related, its what i'm gunna start off with tomorrow

>>78869312
Stay delusioned fag

haven't studied in like a week
god i'm a sack of shit

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>>78881822
do a little now
do it
just review your vocab, anything

Кaк тeбя зoвyт apparently means "what's your name?", but wouldn't that be чтo вaш зoвyт?
What tense is тeбя anyway?

>>78883932
I think the literal translation is "How are you called" or something like that. Most languages other than English do "What are you called" or "How are you called" as opposed to "What is your name" in my experience.

>>78883932
No offense but you can easily find answers to your own questions by making a slight effort to find out for yourself.

For example,
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B1%D1%8F

>>78884125
I don't see how it's accusitive or genitive, but ok.

>>78884487
Because the proper translation isn't 'whats your name' its 'what do they call you' so you becomes the direct object. Similarly when you say My name is' you're really saying 'they call me' in Russian

>>78877004
same, but after mandarin

>>78885295
Adding to that Russian often uses this "object + 3pl verb" construction semantically identically to the English passive construction, so another way to translate that would be "what are you called".

This has continuously been the only constructive thread on all of /int/. Bravo.

>>78868559
Russian, would love to be able to read Dostoyevsky in his original language

>>78887068
Probably the only one on all of 4chan

>>78883932
кaк тeбя зoвyт how are you called
кaк вac зoвyт how art thou called

кaк твoe имя what is your name

i think вac/тeбя is in accusative there, like to blame whom? (the question to check for the accusative case) тeбя/вac to call whom? тeбя/вac

>>78887224
>кaк тeбя зoвyт how are you called
>кaк вac зoвyт how art thou called

sorry it's vice versa ofc, ты i.e. thou doesn't exist in english anymore

>>78887068
Hey DJT isn't that bad either and have created and maintained a lot more resources than /lang/ has.

>>78887224
are we using the classic use of thou (informal) or the current use of thou (formal) for this?

>>78887856
historical informal thou like ты id informal in russia

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Is there anywhere I can get the German Pimsleur-course for free? Finding free stuff on the internet is my Achilles heel. I'm learning with Duolingo primarily atm but I think I'm missing out on the speech-aspect, and I understand Pimsleur is good for that?

>>78888613
Pirate bay should have it

>>78888706
pirate bay is down right now

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>>78888706
I looked there before posting but I didn't find anything because I spelled it wrong. I am not a clever guy.
>>78888745
Yea also this.

>>78861476
Sup /lang/ frequent lurker,

There is this app called Mango Lang, all you need is a library card and you can access whatever languages your library has available. Not sure if it works outside the US.
>open app
>go to 'Try it or sign up!'
>choose Try Mango Now now or Sign Up
>if you choose Try Mango Now, you can sample some of the courses
>if you choose Sign Up, type in your zip code or city and choose whichever library offers Mango. It tells you how to go about creating an account
let me know how it goes

>>78888953
might try this when i get a new phone next month

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>>78888613
>2017+.66
>he's not on private trackers

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>Really want to learn a language
>Might not be a homosexual after all

>>78868559
German. we have Nietzsche which is all you should ever need philosophy wise

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I'm starting my last course of Swedish
Looking forward to being done with it

>>78892233
Good luck Ahmed.

>>78893025
شكرا

>>78893468
>>78892233
Ethnicity?

>>78893595
I'm Spanish

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>>78879736
t. I can't draw

>>78894813
I can't read these sandscribbles :(
Whats written?

>>78895032
>Parande dar qafas
The bird in the cage

>ketab ruye miz
The book on the table
>Tup zir/payin miz
The ball under the table
>lampa balaye miz
The lamp above the table

>sandali poste sar mard
The chair behind the man
>Gorbe kenare mard
The cat next to the man
>Khanom jeloye/rubaruye mard
The woman in front of/opposite the man

>>78880738
This is a good idea
>>78895416
I can see some arabic loan words. I wonder if arab speakers can read iranian just like dutch speakers can read german even without learning it.

>>78895416
ih

>>78895729
From what I've been told, they can mutually recognize a lot of words, but not really tell what the other's saying. They have completely different grammar, and aren't even related linguistically (unlike dutch and german). Farsi is a indo-european language, whereas Arabic is a semitic language.

>>78895416
>the woman IN FRONT of the man

Absolutely haram

>>78892233
Buena suerte amigo, ¿porque vives en Suecia?

>>78892233
Are you fluent? Last course of what program?

>>78899555
Because I liked it and got a job
>>78899667
I did Swedish For Immigrants and now I'm finishing the HS Swedish courses to be able to study in Swedish

>>78901190
Hard to find work in Spain, right? Some half of under 25 are unemployed or something ridiculous?

>been studying German for about 2 months
>Find Pimsleur - Swiss German
>Eh, probably a good idea to learn that (since see flag)
>Listen to the first mp3
>Exusie, ish de Herr Meyer doh?
>With trilled r's

Man, what the fuck. This sucks.

>>78901646
Yes although in my case it's more because I like living abroad

>>78861528
How long does it take to get to fluency using these guides?

>>78904254
Most of them are made by people still learning the language. Not sure which are made by people who were actually fluent in the language. But ultimately it depends on you and your study habits. The effective language learning link in the 2nd or 3rd post has a table with estimated classroom hours.

>>78904254
3 years

I've never herd of lingvist before. How does it compare to clozemaster?

Why are school language courses so shit?

I was forced to do 2 years of French at school with a native French teacher, yet nobody in the class was able to use French outside of a few basic canned phrases to write a letter (Hello, my name is _, what's your name? How are you? I am _...)

Headteacher even tried to stop us from referring to male and female classmates in the correct masculine and feminine on the grounds that it was sexist. Actual French teacher managed to win her over though.

>>78905156
How long before SJWs get pissy at people for assuming objects genders?

>>78905271
Couldn't that be easily fixed by calling them some arbitrary thing? Like, idk type A and type B nouns?

>>78905340
Kinda, but SJWs would just say that was putting a bandaid on the problem and then demand the entire grammar system be changed.

>>78904254
Those are just a starting place, but you'll notice they all have the same patterns for the most part of what you do. 600 class hours to B2 level is the rule of thumb for a level 1 difficulty language. So, depends how often you study.

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Is it actually possible to learn 2 languages at the same time ?
I'm learning Chinese and it's so damn time consuming.
I feel like picking anything else, even easy and unrelated, would actually be detrimental.

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>>78905948
Are there really cute asians girls walking around with pepe plushies? That would warm my heart.

Turns out I was wrong about my Farsi course, the first month is grinding out the alphabet. The prof is amazing, she's 70 and has a thinly veiled hatred for arabs.

>>78906588
persians are really no better than arabs.

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>>78906539
One can only hope

I want to learn Mongolian, does anyone have an /int/ language tutorial for it?

>>78907409
Why Mongolian?

>>78888809
>>78888745
What do you mean Piratebay is down? It's working fine for me.

What kind of censorship do your countries have?

>>78907472
It's an emerging economy and I think they may get a big role in the next BRICS countries generation.

>>78907513
You know Mongolia has a tiny population, right? They aren't even in the same sport as BRIC.

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Does no one have a language flowchart of Mongolian? like pic related?

>>78907858
That's why I expect it in 20 so years. Now Brazil it's economy is getting worse again and China is stagnating I think that Mongolia will play a big role in the future. Especially when transportation over land is being heavily in invested now.

>>78907868
I haven't seen any, does the /int/ wiki have a Mongolian page? It might offer some times and whatnot.

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>>78907928
k

>>78906903
>Implying anything's wrong with either

>>78908027
I wasn't able to find it on the wiki, but finding it on google is even worse. So I thought maybe someone on /int/ had it.

>>78908085
they are both full of violent savages

>>78908208
The real redpill is realizing that race doesn't matter and you should respect everyone

>>78907477
Was down yesterday night, it's up now.
>>78888809
found it -> https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3746610/Pimsleur_German_I__II__III___Plus___w____Instant_Conversation_Ge

Are there any websites in Russian similar to nachrichtenleicht.de?

>>78908570
There are Arabs and Persians that aren't savages, but I play the odds. A lot of extremists coming out of those places than Germany. Al-Qaeda forged alliances with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies.The Iranian government helped arrange advanced weapons and explosives training for Al-Qaeda personnel in Lebanon where they learned, for example, how to destroy large buildings. 4/5 of the 9/11 hijackers passed through Iran, and were aided by their border.

They are no friends of ours. Not a matter of respect, it's a matter of facts.

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>>78909973
This is bait right?

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>>78910332
Maybe a little. My wife is Persian.

Started learning French last week, bought a nice book and I'm currently trying to read Camus. I mean I'm reading it very slowly

>>78905948
maybe it is but you won't learn them the right way. Take your time with Chinese, when you feel like taking a break read some news about China (possibly in French)

t. language teacher

There aren't many people who learn or speak Mongolian on 4chan I guess.
>>78907409
>>78907868

>>78911119
There are only like 3 million Mongolians. Even Maribro has a bigger group of people to speak with.

>>78909973
>>78910450
I'll stil lbite
>reee SA is way more evil than Iran, the persian dindu nufn, didn't even use chemical weapons in retaliation to iraq using them on their civilian populace, stop hating them reee.

>>78911630
Oh I completely agree with my 'bait' (and so does my wife) - but it was still bait. She also believes Islam is an inherently violent religion, something Americans have a hard time admitting. Saudi Arabia is awful also. A lot of Americans are like >>78908570 where they have this cognitive dissonance that tolerating intolerant, violent, people is going to somehow bring progress.

>>78904254
3 months
t. Benny Lewis

>>78862705
>that bit in Pimsleur where the bloke keeps keeps asking the woman to go for a drink with him at different times
>she keeps saying no

absolutely GOAT

been slacking lately, lads

not good

bread rebibe

>>78912981
Works been getting in the way for me. I'm still making progress just not as fast. I guess anything that takes years to do is going to require balance with other critical things.

>>78906588
> persian alphabet
> first month
This takes an hour, absolute maximum.

>>78914809
There's worse
https://www.reddit.com/r/russian/comments/6wec60/whats_my_next_step/
>I've known and practiced the Russian alphabet for a little more than one year.
>Russian alphabet
>more than one year

>>78914809
Depending on the exact setting, a class might cater to the lowest common denominator. A-also, I still sometimes mix up my sad/zad/ta/za because they're relatively rare.

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Both Chinese and English both use the same verb to suggest making a telephone call to someone "to give".

Ie "give me a telephone call". I find this strange because it's a concept that doesn't make sense, you're not "giving" anything. And I find it odd that the same concept appears in two completely different languages on opposite sides of the earth.

What verb does your language use for making a telephone call? Is it also "to give"?

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Ji we hemûyan re silav.

Pêşveçûn didome, gelekî baş e.

>>78916071
In French you can say
>Donne-moi un coup de fil
>Passe-moi un coup de fil
Which both mean "give me a phone call".

I'd say the person whom you are calling is "receiving" the call, so it makes sense you are "giving" it to them. I wonder if it's the same in other languages too.

>>78916071
>>78916221
Turn it around, what would the other verb be for making a call to someone.
>Just [verb] me a call

>>78916071
In Kurdish they just say "do me a telephone"

>Telefonî kalavên te bike
"Call your grandparents" but literally written like "Telephone your grandparents do"

>>78916291
Interesting to get a Dutch persons take on this because I asked a friend who speaks Dutch and he said the verb would be "bellen" which means "To call on a phone". And not "to give".

Is this correct?

If so I guess Dutch doesn't follow the same logic as English, Chinese and French.

>>78916071
In Mari there's a verb which is like the verb "ring" in British English, i.e. it can "to call on a telephone" or to ring a doorbell, for example.

An alternatively word is "turn", so if you say "turn to me" ("to me" being the dative case) it means "call me".

>>78861476
Intresting, can finns understand hungarian?
I can understand most slavs.

>>78861476
Why is English linked to Welsh? Welsh is incomprehensible to English speakers.

>>78916835
Both are Indo-European

>>78916913
So are like, 80%? Of languages on earth?

Even Sanskrit is an Indo-European language.

>>78916381
It's one of the ways to say it, but no different than the English "I'll call you". In dutch you can also do the following
>Iemand een belletje geven
Which translates to "giving someone a call(diminuitive)"

>>78916835
Links don't indicate that they're in the same subfamily or anything of the sort, they simply display the lexical difference, often because of a cultural link or because of the presence of loanwords or something like that (as an example, see the link between Swedish and Finnish).

>>78916835
Note that the line also shows lexical distance...

>>78914919
What the fuck?

>>78917947
>reddit
Honestly I don't fucking know I think it's a troll

>>78869135
Keep us updated anon

I was thinking of studying a meme language, and I think I've settled on Hakka Chinese.

>>78919885
Learn Montenegrin

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I'm pretty tired tonight but maybe can muster some Michel Thomas

>>78861476
i am currently learning swedish just by talking to a friend

Could anyone recommend me some german bands? Anything goes.

>>78922754
knorkator

>>78919840
I don't think there were any Korean speakers there last night. If there were, I didn't see them.

holy shit this guy speaks FLAWLESS spanish (with ARG accent)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTOX-3ruQ-Q
americans making up excuses for how little effort they put should learn from this

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>>78922861
>americans making up excuses for how little effort they put should learn from this
What excuses? I study like 3 hours a day and practice daily with Spanish speakers.

>>78916952
>So are like, 80%? Of languages on earth

Is Esperanto a meme?

>>78916071
[give] me a break.

>>78916291
call is a verb.
you could just say call me.

I only speak English, what should I learn as my second language?

>Russian
>French

How long would they take to learn assuming 60-90 mins of study a day? Would it be better to learn French first because it's closer to English, then to branch out to Russian?

>>78924144
was thinking of the periodical "how can i learn languages, give me tips, there must be a secret trick to learning all this language instantly" threads every now and then here

>>78925049
French

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>>78925049
French is going to be way easier, since we share something like 30% of our vocabulary. It might seem like nothing but it means you know more than 5k French words already without studying anything.

But you should study what you like the most regardless of the difficulty. I picked Chinese instead of Spanish. I could have been conversational in Spanish by now but I'm really happy I can understand some bits of Chinese instead.

Go with your heart anon

>>78927388
Thanks, love you Pierre <3

>>78922861
Jesus christ I just saw the video where they're in a food event. His Spanish is flawless bur he speaks like a porteño momma's boy and even looks like one. It's insufferable.

>>78924263
yes

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>>78927388
nice kot

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>>78929970
Indeed

>>78916291
push, throw, drop, leave

Someone here studied French knowing both Spanish and English? If yes, how easy would you say it was in a scale from 0 to 10, being 0 running without legs and 10 getting a handjob from OP's mom?

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hahaha

>>78931910
>1202
God anon, that's a lot. How can you stand Duolingo for so long?

>>78931962
Not mine, just pointing out the streak repair fee.

>>78932066
I bet he did pay for that.

>>78931874
Dunno, I'm studying French knowing Italian, German and English and in some ways it's pretty easy: similar words, only two genders, verbal system similar to the italian one. Some other things, on the other hand, are just fucked up: pronunciation, numbers, questions and so on... nothing impossible mind you but it does feel very weird at times

>>78932161
I'm actually learning Italian at the moment and I'm almost exclusively interested in reading for now. So how about reading only not caring much about the face that it's like a different language when you try to speak it?
Also have you tried French for Reading by Sandberg?

>>78932256
Haven't tried it but thank you for the suggestion, I'm just using a random book I found for 15 quid atm

How's reading in Italian for you? Also if you need any advice feel free to ask!

>>78932309
Pretty good so far, I'm reading child stories. Stopped studying for some months so I'm doing a fast review.
I have some doubts but not about learning. Does someone who speaks modern Italian have any trouble reading the Divine Comedy in its original Tuscan? And what are some good publishers in Italy? I'm going to start ordering books soon.

>>78932661
>Does someone who speaks modern Italian have any trouble reading the Divine Comedy in its original Tuscan?
Yes, I can't give you any definite number but I'm fairly certain the majority of Italian people have some kind of trouble reading it

>good publishers
for modern books: einaudi, TEA
for classic/older books: Adelphi (my favourite by far)

I know it might sound retarded but give Topolino (Mickey Mouse) comics a chance, especially in the 80s/90s they used A LOT of extremely strange words, it's a great exercise

>>78932256
>I'm actually learning Italian at the moment
Me too.

I've never read any book in Italian though. I just do Duolingo and listen to music/radio.

>>78932807
And maybe you know about a good annotated edition that has the original Dante and modern Italian in the opposite page?

Thank you for those recommendations anon. I imagine they've foot notes? That's my main complain about publishers like Oxford World Classics for example.

Regarding Topolino, I'll definitely read it. Feel free to recommend more comics and entry level books. You reminded me I have to read Corto Maltese.

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>>78933015
I'm using this old Teach Yourself and I really like it anon. It has some dated stuff but you'll welcome it if you're interested in literature like me. Can't recommend a grammar book unless you know Spanish.

>>78933179
Hablo español, es mi lengua materna

>>78933071
oh if you'd like to read the divine comedy you should buy a highschool edition imo, they're fairly solid and literally everything is paraphrsed in modern Italian. SOmething like this should work fine https://www.amazon.it/Alighieri-Commedia-superiori-CD-ROM-espansione/dp/8880208527/ref=sr_1_14/259-0244733-4844556?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1504176560&sr=1-14&keywords=dante+divina+commedia

As for those publishing houses, they use footnotes only when they really really have to. Honestly can't think of a commercial publishing house known for its footnotes, I mean there are some but they only deal with critical texts and so on

>>78933207
Me cago en las banderas. I'm using Manual de gramatica italiana by Manuel Carrera Diaz.

>>78933242
I'd like to have the original and modern when reading the Comedy. I don't want to sound pretentious or anything but it's one of the main reasons I'm learning Italian. Old authors like Petrarca and Ariosto are my target and I do like things as authentic as possible, although I can't wait to read Calvino, Buzzati and Lampedusa for example.

What do you mean they deal with critical texts anon? Because I'd love to know there's a publisher with something similar to the Norton Critical Editions.

>>78933545
Y cuánto crees que te ha ayudado a poder hablar/escribir en italiano? Es eso lo que más me interesa.

>>78933626
Como dije mas arriba, deje de estudiar por un tiempo y estoy retomando, pero estaba mas que satisfecho con los resultados. Como veras mi interes principal es la lectura, pero TY es literalmente un metodo donde traducis ingles-italiano e italiano-ingles, por lo que te da mucha practica con la escritura.
Hablarlo me parece trivial ya que todos los fonemas son nativos para alguien que habla español, asi que no te preocupes por eso. No te vas a encontrar con sonidos que no sepas pronunciar.
Respecto al manual de gramatica, me ayuda muchisimo antes de hacer los ejercicios. Cada unidad de TY trata un tema diferente asi que primero lo estudio del libro de gramatica y luego hago la unidad.

>>78933731
No me refiero a pronunciar sino a poder construir frases. De momento puedo hacerlo en presente, pero Duolingo no enseña suficiente los verbos en otros tiempos.

Lo miraré, gracias!

>>78933775
Para eso justamente se estudia gramatica y te aseguras el poder construir cualquier frase que quieras y que de hecho tengan un tinte personal. Si no, podes simplemente seguir escuchando radios o mirar peliculas anon (cosa que deberias hacer por mas que estudies gramatica obviamente).
Podes tambien probar con un curso auditivo como pimsleur pero, de nuevo, me parece tan trivial que me duermo si lo intento.

>>78933545
Yeah we do have something like that, here's an example: https://www.olschki.it/libro/9788822255761

actually, there's plenty of publishers like that, I'm gonna ask a friend of mine who knows a lot about this stuff (he's a philologist)

>>78934113
That looks great anon and I will be grateful if you ask him. Thank you.

Is learning a language every other day efficient?

>>78934941
dont worry so much about efficiency.

>>78936954
Why not?

>>78861476
I've come to realize that language learning is like an MMO. You just have to grind and make it fun. Thanks to language learning i actually have an interest in linguistics and bought a few books on linguistics in Japanese (my L2).

If i could offer one piece of advice it's this: Don't do things in your target language AFTER you learn the language. Do things in your target language TO learn the language. Read constantly and change your PC OS to your L2.

>>78934941
I think you should try to practice every day. If you only have time every other day to actually study deeply, then maybe on those off days you can just spend ten minutes and do a little review or something. Just to keep things fresh.

>>78936954
Language learning is a long process. Low efficiency is magnified on larger projects. If one method is 20% less efficient than another, over 1000 hours that becomes 1200 hours. Studying 1.5 hours per day is ~130 more days or about 4.5 months more time to get to the same place.

>>78937478
ok.

but i find that things that work for some dont work for others.
so trying to find the optimal recipe isn't really better than just trying different sources,methods and schedules for yourself until you find what you are comfortable with.

some people end up spending a lot of time reading about language learning and watching tedtalks and shit instead of getting started.

seems stupid to me.

>>78929084
what do you mean? does porteño speak different from others?

>>78937646
Oh absolutely. I agree with you there.

>>78929084
He sounds like a faggot in English also desu.

For mari anon, I came upon this english textbook
http://www.univie.ac.at/maridict/site-2014/book.php?int=0

>>78941181
I think he already knows about this project.

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Who is in the wrong here?

>>78941582
nevermind i'm retarded

>>78941582
What program is this?

>>78943192
It's Duolingo

>>78943603
Thank you.

>>78941582
one thousand = mil (it's literally just "thousand")

>>78941582
Por favor, escribe/escriba mil palabras

>>78938447
Indeed. I loathe their accent.

>>78940400
I agree.

>>78922754
Die Arzte.

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I like the content of this channel, but I can't stand the guy screaming and the annoying music. Is there a comfy Learn Spanish channel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWxRylk7SF0

>>78943766
>>78943753
yeah i realized that ten seconds after i posted

>>78947366
>learn spanish
idk, just go watch youtube content but in spanish
i can provide some spanish comedy channels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_vOjTP_-W4

>>78947366
kek the guy is talking just slightly louder than normal and the music doesn't play until the end of the video
>autism

>>78947674
Thanks, I'm saving that for when I'm more advanced. Still very early.

>>78947687
Go to :40 seconds. That's every video. The guy is just plain annoying. He's the equivalent of Salamondrin for car youtubers and I'm looking for the Harry's Garage.

>>78948757
>Go to :40 seconds
Ah I missed that for some reason. He does seem annoying though, I hate how people make videos these days.

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Why is "I arrived in the city" llegué a la ciudad rather than "en"? Seems like "a" is used a lot of places "in" would be used in English.

>>78949344
dont try to translate english preopositions directly to spanish.
Learn spanish itself, not the translations

>>78949373
Thanks, that's what I'm finding. por and para is another example of that. Por and para both translate in the dictionaries to "for" but that doesn't tell me what to use where. I still haven't learned the por-para difference but going to start to work on that next.

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>>78949344
..and "Have you been in the United States" is "he estado EN los Ustados Unidos"

>>78949712
"have you been" is 3rd person
"he estado" is 1st person
Have you been in the USA? = ¿Has estado en EEUU?

im going to learn russian in less than 3 months if i get 5 (yous)

Panamanian poster above me. good luck.

>>78950150
What do you consider learn? B1?
If you actually attempt it, make sure to log and keep us updated.

>>78950277
learn to read and speak fluently

>>78950579
What other languages do you speak and at what level?

>>78950786
spanish and english both advanced

>>78950875
I don't think C2 is possible in 3 months for you, sorry.

>>78950150
Good luck. Grammar cases are a pain in the ass.

>>78951113
i do the impossible because the possible anyone can do

but only if i get 5 (you)s

well you aren't getting another from me.