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>>78750316
>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

>>78750333
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

>>78750366
LANGUAGE-SPECIFIC IMAGE GUIDES/WALKTHROUGHS:

>Arabic
https://i.imgur.com/GaPEIBr.png

>Farsi
https://i.imgur.com/zAN5eMU.png

>Finnish
https://i.imgur.com/thYqRE9.png

>French
https://i.imgur.com/UpCEFWl.png

>German
https://i.imgur.com/ZTrFFlB.png
https://i.imgur.com/CzpgmUP.png

>Japanese
https://i.imgur.com/Ur8PzMZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/InA8n4n.png

>Mandarin (traditional characters)
https://i.imgur.com/mNvOu9i.png

>Russian
https://i.imgur.com/zhwCKlo.png

>Spanish
https://i.imgur.com/AKboS8t.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IQW5sKT.png

>Swedish
https://i.imgur.com/zjjjxct.png

>Turkish
https://i.imgur.com/IgPQdj8.jpg

I fucking hate the robotic French woman voice in Duolingo. Even using slow audio barely makes a dfference.

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Alright, got Sims downloaded. Gonna be making Anki flashcards for all the in-game options.

>>78751361
Which language?

>>78751393
Spanish

Hello! What motivates you to learn your new language? Why did you decide to learn it?

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Morning, /lang/

>>78751995
I just followed my heart.

revive bread

Why is Russian so hard?
Am I just a brainlet?

>>78754024
>Am I just a brainlet?
it seems as though every single person who tries to learn Russian complains about it being difficult, so I don't think you should feel too bad about yourself

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>>78754024
NO - its fucking shitting me more and more and I am only a week in

>>78751995
I speak a bit of Czech and I wanted to study a Slavic language. Russian was the only one offered at the uni I'm going to. It also sounds very beautiful to my ears, and it's rather exotic.

>>78750753
Same for me. Unless I know what words to look for, I just can't understand her. Duolingo would be so much better if they hired native speakers to record each sentence.

>>78751995
An attempt to communicate with my estranged wife and save my marriage!
Yay language learning!

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Here is my meager contribution to this thread for learning French. I've been looking for a chart like this learning French chart, but for learning Spanish in sequential stages. Does anybody have a similar looking chart with "phases" and "resources" for learning Spanish?

Also, I'm not against making my own chart for my own convenience and sharing it, but only if I can compile some good tips from people more experienced than me. Some of these charts are really detailed and intelligent, so let's try to put some effort into Spanish if you can help me develop a plan.

Bump :)

>>78754024
It feels like only neets and autists (i.e. 4chan audience) wants to learn Russian. I doubt there is much interest in it among normal people.

>>78755556
>Does anybody have a similar looking chart with "phases" and "resources" for learning Spanish?
No, all we have for Spanish at the moment are the two images here: >>78750398

>>78756088
Russian just seems neat. I want to start learning it after I finish Spanish.

>>78756088
I'd say it's the most popular Slavic language for foreign learners, but I have nothing to back that claim with.
IME, normies from Western Europe think it's pretty, even if most might instinctively dislike Russia or consider it a shithole.

>>78757101
I mean, it's probably the slavic language that makes the most "sense" to learn, in that it has most speakers and there's plenty of resources. I imagine Polish being second, and maybe some balkan slavic language third.

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Where's the "procrastinate on /lang/" option?

>>78754156
Is it harder than Mandarin?

>>78751995
I think it's fun and a good skill to have, so why not spend some minutes a day doing it

>>78751995
>>78751995
I want to do Doctors Without Boarders, and they more or less demand you speak French. That, and shame over being a monolingual American.

>>78750753
>l'
>El apostrophe
This shit triggers me beyond belief

>>78754676
>Duolingo would be so much better if they hired native speakers to record each sentence.
They tried this for some languages, but it dropped user retention and cost too much money, so they stopped doing it.

>>78757367
>Boarders

>>78757443
>but it dropped user retention
that's somewhat weird

>>78757478
Yes, they specialize in treating ailments on ships while simultaneously keeping pirate skirmishers at bay.

I'm just procrastinating ITT instead of actually improving languages I'm learning eh

>>78757592
>I'm just procrastinating ITT instead of actually improving languages I'm learning eh
/lang/ in one sentence lel

>>78757627
Lmao
Well okay I turned on the radio to pretend I'm improving my listening skills yeah

>>78755556

I could recommend Foreign Service Institute (FSI), Pimsleur, Duolingo, Anki, etc., but you probably know about those resources anyway.

Random thing. If you're the kind of guy who enjoys watching streams on twitch, reminder that there's streamers in many languages, depending on the game. And knowing part of the lingo is helpful when inferring meaning of new words.

>>78757311
Of course not. It's on par with Latin, I'd say. Except a much more difficult pronunciation.

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I really should be studying right now

>>78759229
>Latin
>Hard
Wut. I've been learning that since middle school. Shit's easy. The only problem is verb endings and sentence structure.

>>78759372
Whatever, Latin is lame anyway.

>>78760311
>Literal barbarian
Dedecus

>>78760416
βάρβαρος

>>78760506
>νομιζει μη ´εμε ενιπειν 'Ελλαν
I had a weird highschool

>>78750316
>>>/t/746368
Good thread links to almost every language.

My Farsi 101 course at university makes learning the alphabet optional.

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>>78761829

>>78761882
I think it's so we can get a grasp on grammar early on. idc really, I already know how to read and write after like 2 weeks.

>>78750398
Someone should make one for Portuguese.

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> don't learn Latin and Ancient Greek
thou pleb

>>78759200
Yeah, there's a language filter that's very helpful. I like to watch randos play PUBG in spanish.

>>78762902
Spanish and Portuguese are very similar (as far as languages go), it'd be easier to make one on how to go from Spanish to Portuguese.

>>78759372
>>78760311
Для aнглoязычных лaтынь лёгкaя, a для нac cкopee дpeвнeгpeчecкий.

>>78761829
One of many reasons people hate America.

>>78763173
Latin and Ancient Greek are maybe 4th and 5th on my list of languages to learn... We'll see if I ever get there bros, I'll report back in 20 years

>>78763362
And what are the previous ones?

Learning German so I can integrate properly into Swiss society.
Es geht ziemlich langsam :-(

Question: do you fucks not use textbooks? Because the only resources I ever see people post on this board is shit like Anki, Pimsleur, FSI etc.

>>78751361
I was thinking of doing this for Morrowind in German because it's so text heavy


>>78763796
I do, I have my dad's old textbooks from the '70s. They're pretty rigorous. How is FSI by the way (for anyone to answer)? I've a moderate background in German, two years in HS, one in college, several years of on and off independent studying; I just need to fill in some gaps in vocab. I personally don't like Anki that much as I find physical flashcards work much better

>>78763796
A lot of us do, some of the image guides mention them and there's a good Google drive link with a bunch for all kinds of languages. I think the reason we don't post much about them is because everyone tends to use a different book, even if studying the same language. Meanwhile, Anki, Pimsleur and the rest cover multiple languages and are usually comparably good across them if the courses are complete. So even if you're not learning the same language you can talk about how effective you find it and how much you use it.

>>78763990
>>78764007

I find the layout of any German textbook i've found to be lacking. I learned Japanese from Genki, and some Italian from Oggi in Italia, and they've both had really good layouts that helped me learn in a way that made sense. But the best textbook I could find for German (Routledge Intensive German Course) is still pretty meh in comparison.

Learning Spanish and Portuguese rn. Honestly, one of the most satisfying experiences is being able to make people laugh in another language (and not just because you had poor pronunciation or awkward phrasing or something).

>>78751995
I chose Spanish in high school because three years of language were required for graduation and it was the easiest and most useful language that they offered (the only other languages they offered were French and Latin) and I ended up enjoying it so I decided to study it in college as well. I just decided to do Portuguese because I'd like to go to Portugal and Brazil one day and my program offers two condensed semesters of it so I figured why not?

>>78763362
Spanish, Russian, Mandarin, Latin, Ancient Greek, then after French, Polish, Cantonese

>>78764514
whoops meant to @ >>78763624

I'm trying to learn Korean but it's very frustrating. There just aren't enough quality resources. Between all the measure words and honorifics and irregular verbs that are impossible to predict I might just give up and learn something else.

>>78764824
there's a ton of Korean speakers and learners, I'm sure there's some good ressources out there, just dig harder

>>78751995
Currently, potential monetary gain, requirements for my major, and I just love language.

>>78754024
Just need more time I think. It is much to learn, so takes time to get used to things you have already learned so oyu learn to not only undertand but also use it.

>>78764271
how's Swiss German, do you ever find that some online stuff, especially phonetics, really didn't prepare you for dealing with Swiss German? I'm assuming you're an English speaker?

>>78766629
Due to certain circumstances, I've only had like 1 and a half months to learn basic Hochdeutsch, so "being prepared" is a relative term.
Plus, desu i've only been here for like 3 days kek. But yeah Swiss German sounds acoustically like Italian to me, which throws you way off if you've been listening to CDs in Hochdeutsch (as I have). I feel like it deffinitely gives you the foundation to build upon so that you can learn Swiss German later on.

I think that's fair though, since Swiss German is still technically German, its just a (very heavy) dialect/accent.

tl;dr yeah, my studies didn't prepare me very well for Swiss German but that's fine cause I'll be able to pick it up (though it may take some time)

https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/6w4rmu/lingotopia_a_language_learning_game_about_being/?sort=top

Interesting

I might just give up on learning Japanese, it's too frustrating and it seriously feels like I'm never making progress no matter what.

What are you guys learning presently? I'd like some inspiration as to what I should learn instead.

>>78755556
desu, what I did for learning french was dedicate one hour to conjugate verbs and read as much as I could

>>78768928
Mari

Do it, faggot.

I wanna learn Italian because it sounds cool but it's no use to me. I don't have interest in working in Italy, don't know any Italian friends nor is it of any use to me irl. I only know 1 British Italian and that's it.

Hmm...

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fugg

>>78768928
Farsi

>>78767480
Not in my target language;_;

we have a discord?

>>78770477
not aware of it
someone post a link?

>>78770477
>>78770555
I think theres a russian language one but I don't know about a /lang/ one. I also don't have the Russian one so sorry about that.

>>78770477
>>78770555
>>78771310
https://discord.gg/gYAd5B
Made one really quick, up to you guys if you want to use it or not. Might work well for the times when the thread dies and you don't want to start a new one. Might not.

>>78771678
https://discord.gg/9EMAAef
Shit sorry for the triple post but I think this is the link that won't expire, that last one might. If people like it and use it, we can set up different channels for specific language topics.

>>78771727
honestly I don't think it's a good idea to partition /lang/, we're already struggling to stay afloat as it is. If /lang/ were overcrowded it would make sense, but as things currently are, I feel it makes more sense to just use /lang/.

>>78772041
I think it could be good for chatting, we won't have to stay on-topic as much as on /lang/

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bumping with some shitty OC

And yes, I'm aware that it doesn't really make sense

>>78773390
join
the
discord

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>>78773525
no I'm shy

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>>78773568
We are writing anyway, not talking

learning spanish, having issues with subjunctive
if i were to say "its difficult to understand spanish when its spoken"
would it be
es dificil a entender espanol cuando sea hablar (or es hablar) ?
also i know that hablar probably correct translation of spoken

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>>78750753
Is there any alternetive for Duolingo in treams of listing practice?

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>>78751995
I just dont want to be a languagelet.Also russian sounds usefull sounds neat and look good when applying for jobs.

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>>78754024
It isnt that bad since it is simular to the languages i speak so it might just be that you are a brainlet or a normal american.

>>78774833
Pimsleur is good for listening. Some of the courses on Memrise will also provide audio for the vocab if its individual words giving you problems.

>>78767480
>reddit

>>78768928
If you are just gonna drop it if you get to a difficult spot just dont learn any language.Use your time to do something more productive.

>>78751995
I'm learning Spanish for a few reasons: I live in Miami and everyone else speaks it, a lot of my employees only speak Spanish, and finally I always like to have some self-improvement project.

I'm finding the process pretty enjoyable. I hope I get better soon and don't get discouraged.

>>78775700
How do you interact with your employees that only speak Spanish? Do you run a large company where you can have other people deal with that?

>>78775762
Yeah I have enough people to translate. The supervisors speak English of varying quality, then I have a plant supervisor that is bilingual also.

I can get by without learning it, and have for nearly a decade, but it's for sure the next step. I had a period where I was bitter about people in America not learning English, and while I still think they should learn, no sense making life harder on myself out of making a statement no one else cares about.

>>78773525
Link to discord?

>>78776114
https://discord.gg/9EMAAef
Kind of quiet right now but we'll see how it goes

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>>78776139
>slow thread we have trouble keeping alive
>"I know, I'll make a discord to divert more traffic away from the thread!" :^)

>>78759372
>verb endings and sentence structure
Except that's what you're not allowed to fuck up in Russian (being similar to Latin), and that's what every Western gaijin from 4chan does fuck up profusely.

>>78776800
>and that's what every Western gaijin from 4chan does fuck up profusely.
have you ever encountered a Western gaijin (not from 4chan) who didn't?

>>78777207
Only a few times. They did well, actually. I remember talking in Russian with a Chinese guy from Beijing. As far as I could tell he spoke it no worse than a typical ESL speaks English on 4chan (for instance).

>>78777407
Sorry, I'm aware China isn't exactly Western, but I was just thinking "clearly non-native with highly different mother tongue". I remember one German here (IRL) with a very good command of Russian, and, come to think of it, on 4chan there was a very good American second language Russian speaker. So, I suppose it's not all bad, just very difficult.

Which is harder, Mandarin or Japanese?

>>78777644
Definitely Japanese is harder unless you are Korean or something.

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the night is dark and full of terrors for /lang/

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Is learning Mandarin from a Confucius Institute course a scam? There's a dedicated controversy section in its wiki page

Regardless, what beginner textbook did you use to learn the basics of Mandarin?

>>78779142
Local Szchewan menu.

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>try speaking finnish
>seconds later, I start to sound like I have a cold/voice fries

>>78751995
german is sexy

>>78779142
going to start with this:
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/mandarin1/contents

>>78777644
mandarin is way harder

>>78779951
How so? Minus tones, Japanese is seemingly harder in every way.

>>78779984
its easier to start reading straight away in japanese, everythings phonetic, and grammar structures aren't that difficult once you get the hang of them

>>78780084
This desu, but there is A LOT of vocab grinding (but I guess it applies to mandarin too)

>>78780084
Japanese is not that phonetic. You have to learn 2000-3000 kanji to read actual native material, and each kanji usually has many readings, often more than 10. Although you need more hanzi to read Chinese, each one has one reading, two at most.

>>78769601
What's your target language?

>>78780119
If you're lazy, you can skip kanji learning and just learn the words. After a while you will see the same kanji reappear, and you will subconsciously know the reading

>>78780119
the kanji reading issue isnt really that much of a problem at all, there are rules to determine what reading it is and they suffice most of the time, even if they wouldnt you can get the meaning across even if the reading is wrong

>>78780240
I suppose, but Mandarin grammar is simply so easy that that aspect alone would make it the easier language. It is one of the easiest of any language I have ever seen. What exactly makes Chinese so hard, minus the characters?

>>78780278
I have never tried to learn mandarin, but the tones would be enough to make it impossible for me personally to learn it, I am just going off of other peoples experience learning mandarin and my experience learning japanese

>>78780084
>everythings phonetic
lol no you have to learn on average 3 readings for a logogram character in Japanese instead of 1 on average for a Chinese logogram character
>grammar structures aren't that difficult
Yeah, like, if your native language is almost exactly like Japanese, then sure. But English has the greatest affinity to Mandarin and very little to Japanese.

>>78780401
>I have never tried to learn mandarin
Oh, thanks for your input in comparing the two languages. It was most interesting to hear from a knowledgeable person.

>>78750316
mandarin. i fucking hate having to learn 2 sets of characters. east-asia needs to fucking standardize their characters

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>one year of studying chinese
>low B1
>Trying to speak chinese to some chinese cutie
>really hard to understand what she says
>even harder to produce any decent chinese
>only feels frustration and how I could just switch to english

>3 weeks of complete slacking
I am losing knowledge at this point ;_;

>>78767480
>https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/6w4rmu/lingotopia_a_language_learning_game_about_being/?sort=top
>>78767480
I provided the full Russian translation btw.

>>78764824
>There just aren't enough quality resources.
Korean is very popular and has tons of great resources. Maybe you should try to find some instead of complaining. Or learn Mari together with your countryman.

>>78764824
there are plenty of amazing korean resources bro don't be lazy and look for some. ttmik and korean grammar guide are good free sites. the language thread on /t/ has a ton of stuff for korean and if you want to invest a bit of money there are plenty of textbooks. I've heard good things about the enhwa womans uni books

>>78783493
Thanks senpai but is cyrillic supported though?

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>>78783967
I had to sign up on there, löl.

I need help. I enrolled in a Russian course because I needed filler classes. I'm worried it will interfere with my Greek learning.

>>78750316
I'm learning German

Trying to learn flag language so I can talk to my friends in their native tongue and so I can do more than just order shit/say basic phrases.

Also would like to brush up on French and learn Japanese beyond hiragana, but Czech is priority rn.

>>78786057
Und gefällt es dir?

>>78785974
The alphabet will be a piece of cake then.
Aa, Bв, Гг, Дд (Δ), Ee, Зз (Ζζ), Кк, Mм, Oo, Пп, Pp, Cc (Σς), Tт, Уy, Фф, Хх, Ээ are very similar or exactly the same as in Greek.

>>78786154
Ja ich mag es sehr. Es ist leicht zu erlernen wegen seiner Ähnlichkeiten mit Niederländisch. Und welche Sprache lernst du?

>>78786265
Farsi, da ich nächstes Jahr nach Iran gehe. Nicht Supereinfach, aber es ist doch ein bischen wie Niederländisch weil est ein Indo-Europäische Sprache ist.

>>78786366
Bist du Iranisch? Kannst du das Arabische Alphabet?

>>78786493
Nein, Familie ist nür Niederländisch, bischen Iranboo. Und das Iranische alphabet ist ein bischen anders als das Arabische

Is the discord active

>>78786651
Interessant! Es gibt viele holländische iranboos es scheint ..
Also hast du das iranische Alphabet dann auswendig gelernt?

>>78786788
it's pretty quiet desu

>>78786805
Nicht alle letters. Da sind ein Paar die ich immer vergess, da sie nicht viel gebraucht wirden.

>>78787090
Telegram is where it's at.

>>78757173
Da, but most western countries see russia as the enemy. Many such cases. Sad!

>>78790657
Tpyмп san

>>78780084
chinese grammar is very straightforward and surprisingly similar to english

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>talk with Czech guy on HelloLingo
>develop crush in him

FUCK

>>78792898
this is why i don't talk to other guys

>>78792898
Kek
A on ma taky rad kluky :P?

>>78790543
Are you in it? Can I get an invite?
>>78790014
Ah so wie

I'm looking for a way to talk to natives other than shitposting on generals (which is usually terrible anyway)

I tried Interpals but that's a dating site, impossible to actually talk to anyone there.

>>78757266
Escribir chistes

>>78793289
Ask the German

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>>78793275
Considering how Czechia is with homosexuality, there's probably a good amount of gay guys on there.

>>78792977
But anon
They'll teach you the langauge for free wink wink nudge nudge

>>78764824
https://www.howtostudykorean.com

>>78756088
I just want to read Dostoyevsky as it was written with a hot russian gf

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I need some advice, /lang/.

I just found out that I might be going on a week-long vacation in a month or two (I'm extremely bad at saying "no" so I don't think I can get out of it, unfortunately). I would much rather just stay home and keep my very precious and dear routine intact, but I might not be able to. Problem is, while I'm on vacation, I don't think I'll be able to do any language learning or reviewing. Not only will I likely not have access to a computer (let alone the internet), but I'll be with other people, and I don't want to reveal my power level in their presence, so even if I did have a way to do some daily reviewing, I wouldn't want to. Not to mention that my phone is non-standard (i.e. neither android nor iOS), which further complicates things. And I'm afraid of how much damage an entire week with no language learning and reviewing will do.

So far the only idea I have is that maybe I should avoid doing any "new" learning for a week before the trip, that way the only reviews I'll miss out on will be "old" reviews rather than "new" reviews. But even then, I can't help but feel like it'll be a major setback (not to mention having hundreds of reviews to do when I get back will be annoying as hell).

>>78796063
You could bring some physical material with you, like paper flashcards, or by printing the next couple of lessons you'll study. You can probably find 30m a day where you'll be alone or able to hide, right? If all else fails, say you are severely constipated and study in the bathroom for a while when you can.

>>78796358
>You could bring some physical material with you, like paper flashcards, or by printing the next couple of lessons you'll study.
Here's the scenario I'm imagining in my head:

>get to customs
>am selected for random inspection
>have to completely empty my suitcase while my friends just wait and watch
>get asked what those flashcards are, what language they are, etc.
>am forced to reveal power level

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>>78796493
This will never happen kek

>>78773611
"Es difícil entender el español [cuando es] hablado."

>>78796493
Deal with the autism, reveal your power level if it comes to it.

>>78796493
Just be last through customs. Friends can't stand and stare in the middle of it

>>78793544
Hellotalk
Italki
Lang8

>>78783528
I realized how stupid that sounds about ten seconds after I posted it. orz

>>78783791
Thanks, 친구. I'll be sure to give those a shot.

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having trouble motivating myself to study
the days just slip away

>>78783528
All of Canada should band together and revitalize the Mari language, get to it MariAnon!

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Spanish question.

Why is "he" sometimes le and sometimes lo?
or "her" sometimes le and sometimes la?

>>78800187
Indirect and direct object pronouns

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>>78800637
Okay I'll go google what that this, thank you anon.

>>78801008
is*

>>78801008
Direct object = when the verb doesn't require a proposition, e.g.: I love her (no to)

Indirect object = when the verb requires a proposition, e.g.: I give TO her

In Spanish you use lo/la for the direct object and le for the indirect object, however which verbs require or not propositions are different from English so you just have to memorize which kind of verb each one of them are.

>>78801132
Meant to say preposition

>>78801008
Not to sound condescending but it might be worthwhile to brush up on grammar terms in English. If you know what the equivalent grammatical structures are in English it might help you learn them in Spanish.

>>78801132
Thank you very much.

>>78801242
Yeah, I need to do that. I haven't had an English class in a very long time. A bit afraid of getting sidetracked but maybe I'll just find some reference sources and review for a weekend or something.

>>78797170
I can't

>>78797206
I suppose that's an idea

Though come to think of it physical cards won't solve the problem of having an insane amount of reviews to do on anki and memerise when I return.

>>78793544
If you want to learn anything on interpals, talking with dudes is the best thing. Girls never respond, specially German ones.

>>78802193
I'm a bit worried about this on an upcoming trip also. It's a week long and on average I have 50-70 cards pending study per day. Going to come back to a mess. I'll try to knock some out here and there but it will be hard

>>78802193
It won't be so bad if you keep the your studies up, you'll breeze through the reviews that you already reviewed

>>78802446
Man, I thought this level of autism only existed on /sci/

>>78802446
>>78802640
I had this problem a couple of times this summer. I just set a limit at 100 when I came back and it only took me a couple of days before I caught up. I only have ~600 cards though.

>>78802446
every morning anki

>>78750316
I found a german course in the dw site, did any of you try it?

>>78803854
dw site?

>>78803854
really? please post the link, so that we can check it out.

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>learning """useful""" language
>need to suppress autistic desire to learn bullshit like Frisian and Old English

>>78805819
>need to suppress autistic desire to learn bullshit like Frisian and Old English
but why suppress it?

embrace it, Anon

>>78805819
Frisian is indeed useless.

>>78805819
>>78805880
desu I don't know if learning an ancient languages woths the trouble. I mean, nobody speaks it anymore. It's like learning latin= useless

Does anyone know if using the slow down audio button on Duolingo does the same thing as mousing over a word to check its meaning? The audio can be hard to hear sometimes but I would hate to needlessly repeat shit because of that.

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I'm browsing Radio Garden for hispanohablante stations. Any recommendations? I'm particularly interested in any guerrilla stations in Venezuela, if those are a thing.

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>>78750398
You better include this one next time, I didn't make this for fun!!

>tfw you've tried to learn multiple languages and native speakers mock you or show contempt

English it is then

>>78808609
Which languages? And where did you try talking with natives? On /int/ or outside of it?

>>78808642
German, French, Chinese, Italian. On /int/ and a few times elsewhere. Germans were especially dickheads.

>>78808704
>judging normal native speakers by people on /int/
kek a bhuachaill what the fuck are you thinking

You could always learn Irish (^: Céad míle fáilte and all that

>>78808780
I dunno, man. Don't get a lot of opportunities to talk to natives outside of the Internet, so that's how it is.

>>78808905
try other online communities then, /int/ outside of /lang/ is a bit banty

>>78808905
Use things like interpals, hellotalk or discord to try and find natives to practice with because /int/ is fucking autism central.

>>78808581
Brón orm, will do if I'm posting the thread

>>78809151
Danke schoen, I'll just spam it otherwise

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I've been trying to learn serbo-croatian for a few weeks, but it's hard to find any resources. Do you guys know of any? I'm looking for resources for Slovenian as well.

>>78809601
I think the drive link has some, check out Indo-European -> Balto-Slavic and it should have some PDFs in there

>>78750316
russian

bump before bed
бaмп пpeждe чeм я лёг cпaть

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>>78802908
I have about 1,300 now and at this rate might be close to 5,000 at some point. I wonder at what point cards just need to get removed or if their frequency really does get rare enough where it isn't a problem while you work on new content.

i saw someone post about playing half Life 2 with mandarin voice over.

anyone try this?

>>78812983
>half Life 2
I think you have already suffered enough...

>>78812983
Not sure on Mandarin in specific but the general consensus is playing games in your target language is good for exposure

>>78812983
>half Life 2
If you're still at a basic level you're probably playing something a bit more slow-paced and text heavy.

>>78814775
probably better off*

Sorry, I'm tired.

>>78814775
Dwarf Fortress for example

>>78783487
Just do 15 mins!

>>78814823
Sure, just make sure to get a tileset that replaces everything with Chinese characters.

>>78806275
ye, but by learning an ancient language you get to experience famous literature in the original language, which a lot of times is better than in translation. plus you get access to tons of untranslated stuff, which can be fun to sift through.

>>78815199
Another reason to learn farsi, it's easy to read the ancient texts if you learn the modern language.

>>78815620
What texts? Isn't all of it written in Avestan?

>>78815638
Not that ancient, I guess I'm using the wrong definition of the word. Stuff by Ferdowsi was written in 1000 ad which isn't ancient but pretty old and still readable.

>>78815638
>>78815689
Avestan is the language mainly used for Zoroastrian stuff I believe. The "national language" was farsi/persian/whatevet you want to call it, which is very similar to modern written persian. My main thing here is that I wouldn't call 1000AD onward ancient.

>>78812047
>лёг
You need the future tense here:
>лягy

It's more natural to say this, though:
>бaмп пepeд cнoм

I picked up faorese even though i'm studying german. Hvat fanin er galið við eg.

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Today I officially gave up on trying to learn languages. For so long I have felt this inexplicable need to expand my knowledge, and study, but no more!

I speak English, so everything else feels so pointless anyway. And I also speak a completely worthless pseudo-asian language. It's super obscure, good for confusing people, pretending to be unable to understand English, or attention whoring. What more would I ever need?

>>78819360
Dont give up anon
What language(s) are you learning?

>Want to learn russian
>Keep falling back to dutch

>Don't like either country's culture or people.

What can't I just be fucking normal? REEEE

>>78819413
Waarom leer je dan Nederlands? Vind je de taal wel dan leuk?

>>78819455
Omdat ik de taal leuk vinden. Maar ik had stude twee weken binnen.

If that doesn't make any sense: 'because I like the language and find it easy. I have only been studying on and off for two weeks'

>>78819513
Flip a coin and keep going with that language.

still going through latin with spanish and russian on my list

seems it shouldn't be taking this long

>>78817912
Cпacибo

>>78819413
Have you been to either country?

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>>78751995
You'll laugh at me because I'm an American saying this but it's muh heritage

>>78819413

You are normal Ausbro. A normal Anglo with normal Anglo language problems.

>>78821943
I'll bite, what heritage

>>78823483
Irish probably

Anyone up for a chat in: Spanish, Croatian, Japanese or Toki Pona?

>>78821943
Same desu.

>>78821943
Don't worry, most of us are like that. Although I've got family members here who don't know English, so I kinda need the language to speak to them
>>78823483
My guess is German

>>78823677
pika pika

Oh no

>>78823824
Sina lukin toki e toki pona...?

>>78824613
about 3

Every native I try to talk to is an annoying asshole and I'm too shy/lazy to get into Hellotalk or one of these other sites. I give!

>>78826262
>I'm too shy/lazy to get into Hellotalk
You can do it, come on. First step's the hardest.

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>People at work asking me "Cómo estás?"
>At a loss of words, frustrated I can't think of what to say other than "muy bien, y tú?"
>Walk upstairs and accountant asks me "Hey how's it going?"
>"g-good, you?"
>mfw I realize I can't even answer in English
This autism stuff is going to really hurt my Spanish progress.

>>78826755
Power through, anon.

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>Be croatian dysporia
>Have to learn serbo-croatian
>Can't find online dictionary for when i need to translate a text
>Go to 3 different bookshops for IRL dictionary
>Only last shop has shitty mini dictionary
>Have to buy it because i can't find any other dictionary
Fuck this, why couldn't my parents be russian or something so i can actually find resources?

>>78829225
Consider using a monolingual dictionary. I'm sure some were compiled in Yugoslavia.

>>78829225
>not ordering at the bol jews

https://www.bol.com/nl/p/kramers-woordenboek-kroatisch-servisch-nederlands-nederlands-kroatisch-servisch/1001004001806682/?suggestionType=typedsearch

>>78829365
https://www.bol.com/nl/p/23000-nederlands-servisch-servisch-nederlands-woordenschat/9200000071095724/?suggestionType=typedsearch

and this one

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Been studying K*rdish for two months now. It's a really easy language.

There are a few qts and bros I found in a Kurdish language group on facebook helping me out, too.

>>78829406
>>78829365
>I genuinely forgot i could order online
>>>78829363
My serbo-croatian is not good enough for that, i need dutch/english-serbo-croatian for now

>>78829511
What resources are you using and also which language are you learning? Kurmanji?

>>78826262
Hellotalk isn't hard to get into. I almost always get messaged first, everyone's eager to talk to a native english speaker.

>>78829511
Interesting. What level would you say you are at?

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>>78831915
any qt's?

>>78832456
There normally are

>>78833947
get any lewds?

>>78834006
Not personally, I'm married

>>78834129
Are you the guy with the story of trying to learn a language to get back with his wife?

Coming back to Japanese after a few years is surprisingly pleasant. There's less pressure to make a big deal out of it, and Tae Kim is much more readable the second time around. I might not quit this time.

>>78834580
Low pressure is the only way I made it this far. I'm old and my brain is fried from my youth (combined with not being too smart to begin with), so it's going to take me forever to learn anything.

>>78834278
Ye

>>78834642
Being old isn't always a bad thing. It gives you a kind of immunization to the anxiety and unproductive thoughts that harm progress.

>>78805044
>>78805545
http://www.dw.com/

>>78834995
You mean like today how I almost didn't go to the grocery store because my German is shit and I was worried about holding up a line at the cash register and stammer through "Entschuldigung, mein deutsch ist nicht so gut. Mehr langsam bitte?"

You mean that kind of anxiety and unproductive thoughts ;_;

>>78835132
Are Swiss so unforgiving? Do they not have self-checkout machines?

>>78834995
I'll give you that I'm more "chill" now in my 30s than in my early 20s, but, I'm not sure I'm learning faster. Or sometimes at all. I feel like I'm getting the ability to read more Spanish or something but whenever anyone talks to me I can't understand much of anything.

>>78835132
Plan around your flaws and weaknesses. If you know your German is bad and you'll be slow then pick a time to grocery shop when it isn't so busy. Not because you'll slow everyone down but because you'll be more comfortable then

>>78835129
This is more precise. It's available in different languages btw
http://www.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-2469

>>78835228
Nah, it's just my anxiety tbqh. I did go and I did say "sorry my german isnt so good" and the lady worked with me so it all went well.
They do, but right now I only have cash and from what i've seen, the self-checkout machine doesn't take cash ;_;

>>78835243
Idk why this is so comforting but it is, bless you based anon, imma try to do that.

It's crazy just how useful for reading practice those teenage-tier facebook/VK pages which post one-line quotes about love and shit are.

They're in small doses (generally one or two lines) which means that they're never overwhelming, they use relatively simple vocabulary which allows you to understand some of it without needing to check, but they still try to give the appearance of being poetic, so they include just the right amount of challenging vocabulary (not to mention that it makes them write more "correctly", which makes it much easier when you're just a learner).

I was thinking about changing the language of my phone to the one i'm learning. Would that help to get used to it and get a bit more of vocabulary?

>>78829511
Why are you learning kurdish?

>>78830739
Learn Kurdish: A Multi-level Course in Kurmanji by Baran Rizgar is my main book, but I picked up a few smaller ones from the library, and yes Kurmanji.

>>78832268
I would say A2 at the moment. I can have smalltalk with people.

>>78835555
No reason other than interest. I'm thankful that the Kurdish community is very eager to help foreigners learn their language. They're very welcoming.

I tried learning German in the past but most German speakers I talked to just told me it was useless and I'd never be able to properly speak it so I should just give it up. Seems like Kurds are the opposite and are very pleased when people want to learn their language, even though they are very aware that it's pretty useless.

>>78835730
>I would say A2 at the moment. I can have smalltalk with people.
How many hours per day do you study?

>>78835800
1-2 studying on my own, and I have some Kurdish friends with whom I chat for 3-5 hours per day and most of our conversations are in Kurdish. I'm constantly asking the meaning of words they use and gaining new knowledge.

Learning Russian cause of muh heritage and muh personal enjoyment.
Adopted from there when I was really young.

>>78836100
Oh wow that's neat. Good luck to you.

>>78836109
god i envy you so much

>>78835730
>German speakers I talked to just told me it was useless and I'd never be able to properly speak it so I should just give it up

German is really not that difficult, I don't know why Germans act this way all the time. It's easily the least pleasant language to learn as even if you get to near-fluency Germans will neither care and plenty will be uncomfortable about it

Compare this to French where as long as you can pronounce things correctly people love when you speak to them in it

>>78836397
I lucked out, I suppose.

>>78763194
And how do I go from spanish to portuguese?

>>78836453
Moi aussi je t'aime Ameribro.
>t. Frog in vacation

>>78836866
>going on vacation in Slovenia
I went there for work once, what a shithole

>>78837015
Depends. In Portorož right now, I prefer greatly Slovenia from Italy where averyone and their dog want what's inside you wallet.

Ljubljana in the summer is pretty based, but if you go there when the weather is bad you might have nothing to do.

Where were you?

>>78837233
Two nights in Ljubljana and then another two in the north west, Ptuj or something near there (at a factory with basically slave labor)

>>78837750
Ptuj is famous for a factory where eggs and chicken meat is produced. It's also famous for its wines.
It's nice to visit but it must certainly be shit to have to work in shitty factories.

As for Ljubljana, I'm sorry you didn't enjoyed your trip, chilling along the Ljubljanica and enjoying Bevog beer was one of my best experience abroad.

>>78838310
Maybe it was just because I was on a work trip and tired. Italy is too touristy for you? I know the feeling, kinda have to get off the beaten path. I have some friends in the wine business so when I go back maybe go that route. You can have Rome.

I used to really like Prague but that has gotten really touristy now. Globalism and cheap travel has made most places in Europe feel like home.

>>78838597
I was in Italy and I hated it.
Italians do not know how to drive properly, they do not make any effort to translate anything (even in english).
Tourist towns are filled with chinks (the original nouveau riche flavour) and you pay way too much for anything. In Venice, 80€ for 20 minutes in gondolas and people scowl at you if you don't buy anything from them.

I always wanted to visit Prague but it's overcrowded with Germans who think it's their private kindergarten with cheap booze and cheap girls. I feel sorry for them.

If you go to Paris you might feel the same as I did in Venice, I feel sorry for tourists.

>>78839001
Oh absolutely. And yes, Venice is a sinking tourist trap, literally smells, and is full of bird shit.

Best place to travel in Europe now is, get ready to laugh, Germany. Swabian Alps, Black Forest... Germans seem okay with Americans too, or just happy we aren't going to stay forever and bring our families like their other visitors do :^) I unironically still enjoy London too though.

Prague was great when I was younger, but yeah now it's just people looking for whores on a budget.

>>78786188
Yes it was easy. However I dont want it to interfere with learning Greek.

>>78832456
Can you be able to get a qt from hellotalk, just like in Interpals?

>>78839848
Not sure, haven't tried either. Would be interested in others experiences.

>>78836109
reynad?

>>78837750
Why were you working in Slovenia?

>>78808581
Reminder for whoever makes new OP to add this to the imgur list

>>78843533
A vendor for some parts was there

>>78751995
Im learning French, because in Canada you get a higher pay for being english and french speaking, and also i believe in being as well-rounded as possible and being bilingual is a way to achieve intellectual enlightenment

>>78845382
Is it specifically for French or for any second language?

I studied a decent amount of French over the summer on my own. Today, I went to the first day of the intro to French class and the professor said that the class is only for people who know nothing of French and that those who have studied French before should either wait until next semester and take the second half of the beginner class or sign up for the intermediate class for this semester. I spoke with the professor after class and told him what I studied and he seemed to think that I could handle the intermediate class since I have covered the grammar topics covered in the intro classes. The problem is that I've never had a conversation in French and my listening skills are shit and I understand less than 10% of words in the news and those I understand it takes my brain a few seconds to process and in that time I'm not listening to what is being said. Should I just go for the intermediate class and maybe have to work harder at the beginning to possibly catch up or should I play it safe and wait a semester for the intro class? This is my last year in uni if I don't stay for grad school so I am leaning towards the former option.

>>78846540
talk to the intermediate professor and see what they say you mong.
also you will still learn quite a bit even in the very basic class because you are forced to interact with others in the language even if its at a basic level

>>78846540
As >>78846870 said, talk to the other professor and see. If not there isn't much harm in taking both is there?

>>78806321
Please, does anyone know?

>tfw continually make small errors in writing and speech
There's nothing worse than not properly learning English and saying all past tenses as if they happened in the present

>>78851010