Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1845

>>>74015042
>Is that how you think Australians talk? Pretty sure messing with mailboxes is an American cultural thing.
why so mad, just do your reps bro

こんにちわ

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Remember: If you have the choice between being the hare or the tortoise, be the tortoise. Language learning is a slow marathon that takes time, quality work, and patience.

Even if you're able to sprint through much material in a short time, is that rate sustainable? Will it lead to burnout? Even the slowest of paces is better than sprinting and burning out repeatedly, not only for your progress, but for your mental state as well.

Persistence is the greatest virtue when learning a language and the path of the tortoise lends itself to that the easiest.

ばったり
がっしり
どっさり
そそっかしい
がらりと
くっきり
がくんと
きっぱり
がばっと
ごっくり
ずばり

When will the pain end? These meaningless small-tsued words should be outlawed.

>>74016857
Never. You're awakening to the truth: the real final bosses of Japanese vocabulary are 擬音語, 擬態語 and food terms.

>作品名長くて覚えられないから茅野ママって呼んでる件。
What's 件 and what's it doing?

>>74015684
bro, bru, bra, brah, bud, cuz, mate
why so mad, just do your reps

>>74017037
I like when they make some sense. For instance, dekoboko seemed like a nonsense word, until I learned 凹む.
じめじめ - 湿る, etc.

This helps immensely.

>>74017689
I think it makes it about a certain incident/occurrence to a specific time

not too sure though

>>74017689
maybe,it mean "About thing" or "matter" or "about what" in english.
So in order to translate into english,I think that it is an accurate expression to replace "件" with "事について"

about thing (I) call (it) "Kayano mama" because...

so maybe "Taigen dome".In English...substantive stop? noun stop? I don't know

>>74020477
Just asked my teacher, she said approximately the same. Apparently it's common to do online. Thanks

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させる
さす
られる
れる
される

Shit, nigga, they are all so alike, and you still have to combo them together...

How do I differentiate between Potential form and Passive form?

>>74021627
>How do I differentiate between Potential form and Passive form?
context

what's sakubi

heard about it from a friend

>>74021627
The passive can always be a potential. The potential is never a passive in modern japanese.

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>>74022899
It's a guide made by an EOP teenager who doesn't even know English, and he was pushing that crap over /jp/ until jannies started pruning it.

But hey, good luck doing it here. Consider using a proxy so it doesn't stand out too much, though.

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>>74023105
why reinvent the wheel

>>74023105
i didn't know /int/ was this schizophrenic

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>>74023151

stealing sakubi from whoever started it lol

https://a.safe.moe/BLzX9.txt

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>>74022899
>>74023156
>>74023459
Ah, sorry, I thought you were just going to crawl back into your hole and avoid the shitfest of being thoroughly busted.

https://warosu.org/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=sakubi

I wonder WHO could be talking about sakumeme here on /int/.

A "friend" told you about this guide, you say? Weird, because it's a guide made inside DJT which got no appraisal whatsoever. How can it have "reached your ears" through a "friend" when it's not even a popular resource?

If - and that's a really hard to push if - you are not the illiterate author yourself, the only other option is you're his direct acquaintance and should kill yourself for browsing an anonymous website openly with your friends. And for shilling his crap.

>>74023693
I don't know what your problem is, I "literally" just heard about it from a friend on twitter who was calling it shit

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>>74023740
Egads, WHO could have written a post like yours?
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S16841145#p16853237

Twitter has no posts about any sakubi.
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=sakubi&src=typd

Just fuck off, if you want to meme people into reading your shitty guide and become the next Imabi, learn a thing or two and try over Reddit, they love alternative "learning" methods.

>>74024063
>Twitter has no posts about any sakubi.
Twitter has something called direct messages.

It's not my fault you're paranoid.

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>tfw ankidrone and proud

>>74024304
Ahoy, mate. I hate her every single day, from when I wake up to when I go to sleep.
But from time to time I remember just how much she's done for me.

I love you, Anki-chan. Thank you.

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>>74024304
>tfw doing 10 mintues of anki per day and feel like quitting every day because of how boring it is

>>74026170
Nigger I'm doing an hour a day fuck off

New to studying Japanese so sorry for the dumb question but is "ga" in addition to it's other uses also used as basically a "ha" for inanimate objects?

I read this sentence in English and translated it in my mind "The dog saw the tree".

I believed the translation would have been "Inu ha ki o mita" but when I looked at the answer it was "Inu ga ki o mita". Also are animals considered inanimate?

>>74026779
It's not animacy.

>>74026779
In this case the difference between は and が depends only on context, so with that sentence in isolation it is impossible to answer.

Generally if you are answering a question about WHO looked at the tree, or if the dog is being introduced to the conversation and was irrelevant to the earlier contents of the conversation, you'd use が. But if the dog was an established part of the conversation so all the conversation participants knew what dog you mean, you'd use は

>>74026779
は or が has nothing to do with animate/inanimate.
犬は木を見た。Means "About the dog, he saw the tree".
犬が木を見た。Means "The dog saw the tree"
Both are valid translations of "The dog saw the tree".

>>74026779
It's pronounced wa when used as a particle, not ha

>>74016419
>>74026170
I have been studying Japanese for about 6 years.
The first three were during a college course, 2 hours a week. Needless to say, it was pretty much useless. The only good thing that came out of it was that I learned to read hiragana. In three fucking years.
I ankidroned on my own for a while, then chanced upon the DJT on /a/ and dove into Genki, Tae Kim, and all that stuff.
I have been studying on and off, ankidroning for months, then dropping everything altogether, then getting motivated again and going back to basics.
That cycle must have repeated three or four times by now, but it gets easier each time.
I can now read hentai and simple mangas just fine. I don't fear dropping Japanese again, cause I now I'll get back to it eventually, and it'll be even easier.
I'm in no rush to learn. I don't need Japanese for my job or anything, there is no pressure. I'll get to it, even if it takes a decade.
It feels good to know that aborted tries are not wasted, that I can build upon them to go further the next time around.
So now I'm taking it easy, going at my own pace, learning the language little by little, getting better every time.
It feels great.

Thanks, everyone.

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>>74027005
>But if the dog was an established part of the conversation so all the conversation participants knew what dog you mean, you'd use は
it's the other way around

>>74017689
件 is pretty much the same as a meme arrow

>>74028346
No. Watch this video: https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/08particlewa/08particlewa.html

>>74028430
the video wont play for some reason

generally speaking は is used to introduce new information, so if the dog gets brought up in a conversation for the first time it's は as in "a dog"
if everyone knows there's a dog involved you can use が if "the dog" itself isn't the theme of the sentence

>>74030111
が is used to introduce new information, not は. You literally have it backwards.

>>74028216
Gay

>>74028430
>>74030404
read tae kim page 37

>>74030714
if tae kim disagrees with >>74028346 then tae kim is wrong

>>74015042

why do you number your threads?

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>>74030714
Read DoJG?

>>74030714
I always hated the way tae kim phrases this, it caused me to hold the same misconception as you do now for like 2 years before I learned that it was wrong.

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>>74031955
ding ding ding, we have a winner

burn tae kim's grammar guide and make something out of the ashes

>>74031955
okay I see the problem now, I misunderstood the premise of this post >>74027005

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If Tae Kim is so shit, what's better?

>>74032265
it's right under your nose, you just gotta look

>>74032219
Honestly while some points are kind of fuzzy, Tae Kim is really fucking convenient when starting out.

>>74032265
>>74031770

>>74032265
Here you go my fellow white https://a.safe.moe/SzWfu.txt

>>74032494
Great memes

>>74032494
fuck off

ITT we boast djt users we recognize
>that leaf who is about to give up
>the two huehues at intermediate level
>the Frenchie that has studied for 10,000 years and is still intermediate

>>74032494
Thanks fellow burger

>>74031646
Why don't you capitalize your sentences?

>>74031770
Not a question.

>>74032697
>intermediate
Y-you think so? Arigatô.

>>74032809
Try harder.

>>74033152
Try what harder?

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What's イモ? Fuuka's asking Ena how she made a postcard. I couldn't find the meaning on Jisho.

>>74033211
Did you try googling or even typing おイモという意味? Because that gives you what you want to know.

>>74032489
That's the only part of the section he butchers, and I believe it's just poor wording/explanation on his part. For how succinct his guide is, it's fine. People that seriously hate on Tae Kim are meming.

>>74033252

I did some googling beforehand and saw something about potato seals/stamps. I don't think that's what it is, since her ticket (not postcard, my bad) just looks like a piece of paper.

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2 japaneeze postars in Japan general

>>74033457

Unless she means she pressed the potato stamps onto the paper. Is that it? I guess that's it.

>>74033457
>学校のパソコンで作って、プリントアウトして、それにおイモのハンコを押したの
I made it on a computer at school, printed it out, then pressed potato stamps into it.

>>74033726

Thanks, at first for some reason the potato-stamp thing just seemed so absurd that I crossed it off the list right away. I guess that's actually a thing.

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>>74033726
>>74033850
>people will actually soil the tastier, masterracier vegetable to make SHITTY STAMPS
I am triggered.

What are the stats on the number of Japanese-english bilingual people? Compared to English-otherlanguages?

>>74028216
I've been doing pretty much the same for the past 5 years except I never took classes on it

I just don't find reading too much fun compared to watching anime. I have hardly read any books in Finnish or English either. Most of my reading at this point is random bits of Japanese I see in these threads or in something I'm doing that happens to be in Japanese

What's the "normal" retention rate (using the true retention addon) on anki? I'm around 70-75%, is that above or below average?

>>74035418
Perfectly fine. A normal retention rate is between 75 and 90, usually something like 80 or 85. It's normally distributed except near the top (where it clips off so there's a second peak), so a retention of something like 60% is way worse than a retention of like 70%.

>>74035418
I've been using Anni for a few weeks and I usually get 80-85 on easy decks and 60-65 on hard ones.

>>74035458
>>74035531

Hm, so I'm a little on the lower side. Any tips for improving retention in anki?

I should note I mean with the core 2k/6k

>>74035569
I think 70 is good for core, assuming japanese isn't an exception or anything, retention usually goes up on it's own after a few months, but I'm not at that point, perhaps someone else here has kept track of their rates over time and can share

>>74033993

I'm glad you share my feelings of anger and confusion regarding this subject

>>74035671
It's been about 2 months of doing core. When abouts does it go up? I'm starting to recognize compound words, but the readings sometimes fuck me up.

>>74035569
If you're doing new cards mixed in with your reviews, your "agains" will throw off the rate. I don't know if any add-ons counteract that but I always do reviews first anyway.

>>74036416
The true retention addon ignores new cards.

>>74035418
DJT use to say the only thing that mattered was having a mature retention of 95%+ was all that mattered, then the true retention add-on came out and the newfags flooded in

how do I force anki to have a specific font? My phone has some weird fucked up font for jap. What's a good "standard font" to use?

>>74036627
Change your phone language to jap and get a miner deck for common computer terms
That's how I fixed that problem

>>74035569
Do you write? If not I suggest giving writing a shot.
I personally think it helps with retention.

>>74036163
Readings will get easier once you start knowing a couple words that use the 音読み for a character.
for example, if you know 運転, 運動, 営業 and 経営 you'll probably easily remember how to read 運営.
That takes a while.

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>>74035418
100%

>>74036565
True retention is actually rigged to display 100% mature retention. I know because I made it.

Actually it's a bug.

>>74036886
I hope that isn't core, how the fuck are you going to finish that shit with that many reviews per day

>>74036890
Mature retention is much more important than daily, you should fix it. There's a reason anki displays your mature retention without an addon

>>74036957
The only reason I haven't bothered to fix it is because anki displays mature retention for the day, and because the retention of Extremely Mature (interval of around 3 months) cards is always extremely high for people that don't have amnesia and don't neglect anki.

What's the different between using というのは vs. just は?

What's the difference between using というの to make something into a noun vs. just の?

My appointment with Dr. Kim didn't go over this, just told me the meaning of both

>>74037392
post an example

>>74037420

>花火大会というのはやるんじゃなくてみるの
versus
>花火大会はやるんじゃなくてみるの

>主人公が犯人だったというのが一番面白かった。
versus
>主人公が犯人だったのが一番面白かった。

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>>74037524
I can't really answer it, but というの has more of an explicit defining purpose
and in the latter case it makes it seem more personal or "special" instead of just making a statement

>>74037974
>>74037524
Could you perhaps consider it as being a bit like putting the topic "in quotes"? That kind of interpretation seems to work for at least a few situations.

>>74037524
The fact that the hero was the bad guy was the most interesting bit.
The hero being the bad guy was the most interesting bit.

There are many ways to say the same thing; just like synonyms, there will always be grammatical redundancy because self-expression is fluid.

I know this isn't related to Japanese, but I'm trying to pick up Kansai-ben but I can't find a good grammar resource. Right now I'm looking at http://web.mit.edu/kansai/1.Characteristics/2.LinguisticAspects/d-Conjugation.html and it does give some conjugations but it doesn't actually explain them. I can figure it out if I stare long enough but I'd rather not. Anyone have anything helpful?

When you're reading something, when do you know it's time to move on to something harder?

>>74040431
when it's easy

>>74040431
There is a reading list which sometimes has the order shuffled around a bit but the general approach is reading X now, will read the next in line after, so on and so forth. This is the general approach I take, which isn't gradiated into degrees of difficulty but instead interest.
If going for a sort of difficulty approach one could figure that it is time to find something more difficult after an arbitrary value of X amount of pages read in X amount of time and X amount of words looked up in X amount of pages/time.
But how do you define harder? Changing mediums to something more text heavy? I don't know, if you're reading manga and find yourself looking up say less than 25 words per volume then grab a light novel and see how that goes. Then again you could start reading a different manga series in a genre you aren't used to reading and end up being bombarded by a few hundred new words every volume for the next dozen volumes.
What about instead of trying to look for something "harder", why not look for something different? Branch outwards not upwards, that sort of thing.

Sorry I could not be of any specific help. What are you reading at the moment?

>>74040431
As a general rule, I stop reading something if it's too easy and not fun. If its still fun, then continue because the more you read the same word, the more you it will stick even if it's easy. But if it's too easy and it's not fun, just drop it.

>>74041127

I'm reading はなひら! right now. I was just wondering when people usually jump up in the ranks. I guess it's just more of a feeling, right? When you feel something's too easy, switch (if you want) unless you actually don't want to because you're enjoying it. The preceding sentence is what I guess I'm gathering here.

But initially I was thinking in terms of efficiency, like at what time should you be progressing to harder works in order to improve the fastest or something.

>>74042055
When you lift weights, when do you start lifting heavier weights? When the weight you're currently lifting becomes too easy, because you don't get gains anymore. The same is true for learning, since the brain is a muscle. Once what you're reading is no longer posing a challenge, up the difficulty.

>>74042087

That's completely right, sounds obvious when put that way. Thanks

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>>74023105
You haven't even skimmed it.

>>74042146
I'm always glad to help my Japanese learning nakama. We're all gonna make it, bros.

>>74042055
>jump up in the ranks
What are the ranks?
>But initially I was thinking in terms of efficiency, like at what time should you be progressing to harder works in order to improve the fastest or something.
Language doesn't really work like that. The most "efficient" way to improve your comprehension is instead to read widely, not vertically. Extensive reading is the key for this.
Someone start looking talking about this sort of thing in practice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzIf_utmFFc

I think the analogy of comparing language acquisition to filling an ocean as opposed to building a pyramid is more accurate, but unfortunately most people have the pyramid mindset as languages are usually taught as more like system of maths when it really isn't like that.

>>74036886
nice meme

>>74042339

Move up in the ranks is just an expression for "get better"

I agree with your mindset as well, I think when something feels too easy I'll try to reader something either different/harder or both. Although at this point all that really interests me is cute girls doing cute things.

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>>74042509
You jelly of my stats?

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しか means "nothing but," but doesn't it attach directly after the thing that it's modifying (because it's a particle) like これしかない, with これ being the thing modified by しか?

So is 小さく (an adverb) somehow being modified by しか? With 小さく replaced with 花火大会 then I would understand the sentence, it would be like "but I can't see anything but the fireworks display, so..." or something. But しか coming right after an adverb is fucking my shit up for some reason.

>>74043223
しか is a bound particle that attaches to the 連用形 (the ~く form) of i-adjectives. It can also attach to the 連体形 of verbs, as in やるしかない.

In this case I think Ena is saying:
>Yeah...
>But since you can't see them except for really small...
i.e. they are visible, but only from a great distance, so they are small and hard to see (so something else would be better)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u44nj0ckVRc
wwwwwww

>>74042566
>Although at this point all that really interests me is cute girls doing cute things.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jcn7Z4tbdRblEGnq6jzfW_sc-cOekTSs_N8z7mqb8Uc/edit?usp=sharing

Probably a good 30,000+ words across a range of interests/hobbies/fields among those volumes. One of the benefits of reading these sorts of series is that they tend to have a much wider/more random range of words used. It's hard to have a scene with people talking about random insects in Kyuushuu, or video game move names, etc. in a series like Naruto but in a "slice of life", generally easier to read series like スケッチブック (pulling a random series here) is discussing one thing one page then a few pages later discussing something entirely different from a completely different field of interest.
Comparing to American sitcoms where one episode might be about one random thing and the next episode about another random thing, in contrast to a themed series which has it's own internet vocabulary the viewer learns and appreciates as they watch.

The whole "slice of life" and "cute girls doing cute things" scene is great if you have a general interest in more Japan centric stuff.

>>74043794
has it's own internal vocabulary*
Internet vocabulary, wew lad.

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>>74042655
>has 300 mature cards
>You jelly of my stats?

You're like a 16-year-old with a new car bought and paid for by daddy, bragging to a room full of experienced drivers that you have a perfect record.

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I watched my first episode of raw anime today.
So this is weaboo ascension

>>74044671
Can't leave it at that, anon. What did you watch?

Is there a japanese equivalent of those kids shows we get in english that only use basic english and each episode is plot that teaches about a word or an animal or emotion or something? Like pocoyo?

Is there a konadasha Kanji learner course anki deck I should do with my core 6k?

>>74045377
Try a Google search for 子供向け番組 and see what filters to the surface.
Wonder if there is a Japanese version of Lazy Town. (;^ω^)

>>74045737
There is a deck on ankiweb if that's what you're asking.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1894362465
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/779483253
It looks like Remember the Kanji so if you want to learn how to write kanji while going through Core6k then sure, why not?

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>>74045749
>Wonder if there is a Japanese version of Lazy Town. (;^ω^)
haha yes, I totally agree with you and would like to know what you like best about it

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>>74045377
gdgd fairies is comfy.

>>74046110
Hard question but if I'm going to be brutally honest it's the message about health and fitness. There is nothing more satisfying than watching a little girl bouncing around, talking about living healthier while I'm sitting there with a slice of pizza in one hand and erect cock in the other.
(●´ω｀●)

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>>74046389
Isn't Lazy Town a 30 yo dwarf or something?

>>74046389
>not watching lazy town for robbie rotten
the little girl's literally the least interesting thing about the show

>>74046483
16 at the time A bit old but you can widdle that sort of thing down in your head.

>>74046619
How exactly did he become such a meme?

>>74046732
because he's a genuinely entertaining character

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>>74046792
Those crazy Icelandic folk.

>>74033211

Try ichi.moe, it's better than Jisho.

http://ichi.moe/cl/qr/?q=イモ

>>74047358
Curious, how is it any better than jisho?

>>74047868
because he fucken said so now go to his site and click on the ads
and leave a tip

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>>74047358
Don't mind the rambling, just nutting out a few trains of thought.

http://ichi.moe/faq.html
>The definitions are taken from JMdict project
http://jisho.org/about
>The data used in Jisho comes from a variety of open source projects:
>~JMdict
>~JMnedict
>~KANJIDIC2

Wonder why Jisho doesn't recognise the katakana usage of 芋. It recognises いも as 芋 and 芋 as いも、even イモ as 芋 in compound words such as 芋虫 and 芋片喰, as they have the respective "other forms" イモムシ and イモカタバミ. Obvious something about the way ichi.moe handles the JMdict dictionary file is more flexible.
For comparison:
芋:
http://ichi.moe/cl/qr/?q=%E8%8A%8B&r=htr
http://jisho.org/search/%E8%8A%8B
いも
http://ichi.moe/cl/qr/?q=%E3%81%84%E3%82%82&r=htr
http://jisho.org/search/%E3%81%84%E3%82%82
イモ
http://ichi.moe/cl/qr/?q=%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A2&r=htr
http://jisho.org/search/%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A2

What ichi.moe appears to lack is an extensive related results in the query. What is ichi.moe, exactly? It looks primarily to be a Japanese language text glossing tool as opposed to a dictionary for general searching. In that case, how does it differ to the WWWJDIC website text glossing function? A comparison, in image form due to the URL being too long to post for ichi.moe and the WWWJDIC url not being able to post at all.
Stylistically different but which one is "better"?

>>74048157
>>74047358
Hmm, the dev is located in Moscow.
Anon, are you tshatrov, the dev behind ichi.moe? If so, good work. Is there anything else you are working on in relation to that project? I see the last commit was 19 hours ago, is all.

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>>74032219
Can you give me more of her photos?

>>74048650
Are you this anon? >>74047358

>>74048776
No, please help, I think I'm in love

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>>74048934
She was the girl used for the website lingualift, but it looks different now. Google "lingualift japanese" and you'll find images. Also try "you can't learn Japanese" and "dekinai chan".

>>74048157
It's better because I wrote a really complicated algorithm to correctly look up words and rank them by likelihood of appearing in a sentence. For potato, the katakana spelling is not present in the database. Ichi.moe can still look these up because I implemented the necessary algorithm. The source data is nothing, it's all about what you do with it.

http://harime.ichi.moe/
http://archive.loveisover.me/c/thread/2332071/#2333668
Well, that's a nice bit of dedication. I like it.

>>74049235
>The source data is nothing, it's all about what you do with it.
Without getting too technical, what is it that you do with it that makes it better for text glossing than Jisho?
Another question, what makes your text glossing different/better than the text glosser here: http://www.edrdg.org/cgi-bin/wwwjdic/wwwjdic?9T

Awesome little site, by the way.

>>74048380
The last big update was the numerals/counters. Not sure what I'm doing next yet. Maybe adding JMnedict support, or Anki card generator.

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>>74048934

>>74049349
>Maybe adding JMnedict support
What would that mean for the end user?
>or Anki card generator
As in Anki real time import similar to how Rikaisama does it?

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>>74049379
bit of a slut, really

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>>74049440
https://my.mixtape.moe/pzbcxq.png

>>74049306
First of all, the word lookup is more advanced. Katakana spellings is one example, but what really sets it apart is conjugation/grammar algorithm. It can build words on the fly based on various suffixes, which even work recursively. Being able to lookup more words - better results. Then I score each word based on its attributes such as length, commonness, amount of kanji etc. Then I find a segmentation that produces the largest total score. This is basically a graph traversal problem. Wwwjdc text glosser doesn't do that stuff, it just looks up words with primary spellings from the database. Feed it something written in kana and it will return nothing.

>>74049622
It all sounds pretty awesome, anon. Wonder why it isn't mentioned all that often.

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>>74049622
Sukasuka blyat

>>74049416
JMnedict is a database of proper names. I mostly want a geographic names support. Unfortunately it has a lot of trash in it that will clutter the results.

As for Anki support, look up "ichi.moe kanji deck". I want to add the ability to generate cards like this for any word (the code already exists, but needs to be supported in website).

how can i trust a language algorithm with a lisp

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>>74049837
>ichi.moe kanji deck
To clarify, this:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/831167744
?
It's a impressive kanji deck but appears to have all the information in a single field on the front and single field on the back. Are you looking to have it up and running on the website to generate cards in this manner or the option to have information divided into individual fields?
Those 音・訓 usage percentage values as they appear on the site and in the deck are a great addition. Is that from the JMdict data or something else? I guess what I'm trying to ask is how accurate are those reading percentages.

>>74036627
I just set my language to nihonggo. I only change it back to english if i need to do changes in settings or other stuff real quick.

>>74050178
The percentages are based on the sample of the words labelled as "common" in JMdict. The division of Anki card into "fields" is problematic because one key (word reading) can have several words associated with it. For example 出来 can be しゆったい and でき. It's also way easier for me to generate html for the entire card rather than using Anki templates.

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>>74050165
Pretend it's a cute little girl with a lisp.

>>74050602
>The division of Anki card into "fields" is problematic
That's unfortunate as the current format, at least the available Anki deck format, is more problematic to the end user. Having a quick search into the deck online there appears to be at one point in the past an unwillingness to accept the format due to how the data is all in one giant field in on the rear.

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>>74051246
>that pic
可愛すぎる

I made an anki deck called "16000 french sentences sorted from easiest to hardest"

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1089240419

Would you be interested in something like this for japanese?

I'm going through the examples in the DoJG and this sentence confuses me:
>僕は山崎先生が昨日何を言ったか忘れてしまった。
I can't wrap my head around the use of か, especially since it's in the か as a question mark section.

Could someone explain this? I'd appreciate it!

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Looks like I learned all the cards in kanjidamage.

What do I do now? Just focus on core2k/6k only or what?

>>74056607
imagine it like "'what did he say?' I forgot"

>>74045342
The first episode of Yuyushiki

It's fairly babby-tier but the feeling of progress is definitely there.

>>74054865
I'd download it sempai.

>>74056957
that's a little hard to see for me, but thanks!

>>74056923
Now you try to read Yotsuba and despair when you can't

>>74057150
sometimes you'll come across this sort of construction with か
for example 誰だったかわからない --> I don't who it was

it's sort of like an quotation type of thing but for questions/unknown things --> again you get something like "'who it was?' I don't know"

>>74056607

It's just a relative clause that's put in the middle of a sentence to better define the verb. I believe it's usually psychological thinking verbs that get this construction, like 知る, 考える, etc. The construction is properly speaking のか, but the の for the nominalization seems to be dropped a lot. So maybe 何を言ったのか忘れてしまった。 with the の might better drive the point home, if you are familiar with the の of nominalization.

This just popped up in anki:

彼に会えば、彼がいかに良い人か分かります。

If (you) meet him, [how good of a guy is he?] will be understood = (you) will know what a good guy he is.

>>74057790
>>74057731
I see! so it's more like using a question as a noun?

>>74056607
僕は"山崎先生が昨日何を言ったか"を忘れてしまった。
I forgot what Yamazaki teacher said yesterday.

を is often omitted.

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What meaning does 一度お礼 makes? I feel like I'm missing something here. Why is he saying "Seems like it's not that" ?

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>>74048650
You like Dekinai-chan? Look no further, you can get all that juicy sexy style on the author's dA:

http://raindropmemory.deviantart.com/gallery/?catpath=/

By clicking the link you agree I am not responsible for any harm caused to your mental status.

>>74060024
Might be wrong but my interpretation is:
一度お礼を(言おうかな): "I wonder if I should thank (her?)" (一度 doesn't change the meaning much, just kinda softens the sentence by implying that it's not that big a deal to say thanks)
って前から言ってたし: "Actually I've been thanking her for some time already"
それじゃ(必要)ないかな: Then it's not necessary (to thank her specifically for this) I guess

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>>74060996
The gozaimasuest of thanks for you. His style is so good.

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Quick

post your rare dekinais

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>>74063753
Here you go, my fellow countryman.

>tfw when you realize that "sensei" is not actually pronounced "sensei", but more like "sensé"
>Anglos are ruining everything yet again with their retarded subhuman language

>>74065245
English literally uses the same phoneme for ei and é. There is literally no difference.

>>74065279
When I hear Anglos pronounce words like "sensei" or "fiancé", the "é" and "ei" do sound the same, yes, but there is definitely a difference to how a French or German person would pronounce "fiancé". It's a subtle difference, but it's there.
Romanizations of Japanese words shouldn't cater to the English language, they should be somewhat universal.

>>74065806
It's not the romanization. Sensei is literally how it's spelled in japanese, both phonetically and morphemically. And pronouncing it as a string of e+i is just as valid as a long stressed e, in japanese.

>>74065806

Japanese take words from English that "cater" to their language extensively. Your irrelevant criticism is baseless.

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>>74054865
Seeing how the French deck is plagued by grammatical mistakes, I wouldn't want a Japanese deck of the same quality.

The idea is nice, though.

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>>74065806
>Romanizations of Japanese words shouldn't cater to the English language
They don't, vowels are regular, consonants don't arbitrarily change sounds.

Here's what it'd look like if it was actual Anglo romanization:
Sensay, dowmo attligatall.

As a Portuguese speaker the hepburn system looks absolutely easy to understand.
There are minor differences like palatalization and the R/L sound being neither fully, but it's a good foundation, you will have to learn the subtle differences in pronunciation for any language because there is no standard C sound or E sound.

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what the hell do the first 2 characters mean?

>>74067536
You're telling me you deciphered the rest?

＿洒大＿南北 is my best guess.

>>74067536
"Gou houmu waito pigo desu"

>>74067701
yeah I guessed those too, I'm pretty sure the 4th one is 记, but I can't possibly guess what the 1st one is

>>74067701
>>74067848
I thought the last four were 大江南北

>>74068000
but that river doesn't run north to south

>>74068109
but it's apparently a way to refer to all of China in Chinese
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E6%B1%9F%E5%8D%97%E5%8C%97

>>74068109
>>74068169
And if you google 洒大记南北 it gives a result written 情洒天山南北

So here's the first kanji. Final answer:

情洒大江南北, this one renders 1:1 Google results.

>>74068254
Sow love throughout all of china?

Is はなひら! Easy to read? I hear yotsubato has a ton of slang and is actually a pretty shit first read

>>74068477
Yamato is the religion of peace.

>>74065946
>>74065974
>>74066838
It seems you guys are right. Sensei gets written with e+i in Hiragana. Woops! Though it seems that "e" followed by "i" means that the "e" sound gets extended, meaning it is indeed like a French é.

>>74068655
Oh, don't be fooled. One thing is romanization, the other is importing words.

When you read "Tokyo", that word has already lost its romanization character and became an English loanword. The correct way to romanize it would be Toukyou, but for an English speaker it's easier to write it Tokyo, since Os are already pretty long in English.
In Portuguese it's Tóquio, which makes for a funny-sounding O, but at least sets the intonation correctly.

Just forgive us for Hiroxima, Fucuxima, Hocaido and Fucuoca! I won't ask for forgiveness on Cagoxima, though, it's irredeemable.

>>74066838
>Sensay, dowmo attligatall
Censae, doemo awlygotoe

What are some good 3ds games with easy Japanese that I can use to practice reading?

>>74068490

Actually はなひら has even more slang... what else would you expect from four moeblobs? Both are fine practice, just start one and come back here if you have any problems.

>>74068490
Easiest first read is Zettai Reiiki.

>>74068490
>>74070364

https://pastebin.com/raw/Mebtn0Nz

>>74070391
Actual manga: https://mega.nz/#F!fV4mUBiC!RQZh2p90oRHoaKHuuRVq8w

Only use the transcript to look stuff up. The manga itself is easier to read because of the furigana.

>>74070430
>>74070391
>>74070364
Wow this really seems to be an easy read. Thanks anon!

>500 new cards and 600 reviews
Wew kill me now

>>74072864
>500 new cards

shit nigger what are you doing

>>74072946
Starting a core10k to review when I already know a couple thousand words

>don't want to comb through the deck to remove shit I know by heart
>can't just delete the first thousand entries because there are probably words in there I don't know

>>74073080
If you know those words it should be trivial. I could get through 500 english words in like 5 minutes using the keyboard shortcuts. Just mashing easy if you really know them will mature them quite quickly. If you're confident you know them to the point where you can take them out of the deck, set your new cards to 1k, mark all cards you "know", delete marked cards from the deck, export without scheduling info, reimport the deck, and viola.

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>>74073204

Okay my Canadian friend

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生意気 is a na-adjective, is な optional in slang or something? Looks like it's directly modifying 物体

>>74073204
Yeah, it was definitely trivial for the first 1k or so but now there's a decent mix of new in there slowing me down, but still a lot of old stuff. It's just taking a while to get through.

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And this is probably an obvious question, but is なんねー ならない or something? ないの? It's kinda hard to look up this type of slang in the dictionary.

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translate plox

>>74074468
The moment I fall over on my bicycle—
"Ah, I'm definitely going to get hurt..."
I think to myself with unexpected calm.

>>74074468
自転車で転ぶ瞬間
「あ、これ絶対ケガする。。。」と
意外と冷静に考える

So something like

the moment you fall off your bicycle
"ah, this is definitely gonna hurt"
you think unexpectedly calmly

>>74074006
it's ならない yes

>>74073518
I think he's treating ナマイキ物体 as one compound word, so the な isn't strictly necessary. But I don't know if it counts as grammatically correct.

>>74070074
どうぶつの森

>>74075106
>>74074961

Thanks

What's a good manga reader for windows?

>>74075516
I used to use
http://www.bandisoft.com/honeyview/
but then switched to
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdisplayex/
for I have no idea what reason.

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If Jumbo replaced やら with やる then his sentence would make perfect sentence to me; what does やら mean here? On Jisho and DoJG it only gives two possible meanings and both of them don't seem to fit this context.

>>74073518
a coined word

>>74079176
vagueness

>>74079176
Maybe something like 買ってやろう or 買ってやるわ

>>74079176
edo dialect

>>74079348

I don't think that fits this context

>>74079392

>買ってやろう

That's possible I guess, but not sure

>わ

I don't think a big ass man like Jumbo would use that

>>74079553

Elaborate please friend

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>>74063753

>>74079572
わ is not considered feminine in all dialects. I don't think it's impossible.

>>74079932
Nice, very nice.

>>74079176
>>74079572
>That's possible I guess, but not sure
Anon, he is shouting.

>>74080970

I know. But I'm pretty sure he's capable of shouting the お sound as well, so I'm not sure.

>>74056923
[spoiler]Hey fellow brother![/spoiler]
I would suggest to start reading something as fast as possible. Start with something easy like Yotsuba. But, if you didn't felt confident, try Core2k/6k. Or both, if you feel like it.

>>74075516
Seconding CDisplayex after switching from Irfanview. Interface is clean and transition is smooth, but not much functionality though. Looks and feel better imo.

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Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for ケンカップル? "Abusive relationship" is the best I've got but that's not even really right.

http://dic.pixiv.net/a/ケンカップル

>>74082032
Maybe these can sparkle some ideas:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BelligerentSexualTension

>>74070074
Pokemon is pretty good for that, it has furigana if you're struggling with Kanji.

Do these two have different meanings?
>狐です!
>きつねです!

>>74083765
not really.

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Somebody hook me up with some good listening practice/test. My reading's coming along fine, but I need to bring my listening up to speed.

>>74084819
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-14283.html

>>74084939
Damn anon, thank you

Is the Dragon Ball color version available somewhere for "free" download? I think I saw some indication of it being at BakaBT or something, but I can no longer remember the email I used to download a ton of stuff from there all those years ago and they've now closed registration...

No, I didn't forget my email. They've simply terminated a dormant account. Goddamnit...

Is there any website or iOS app that lets me draw the kana? Kind of like a reverse realkana. I just started on hiragana and I can sort of figure out what each symbol is just fine. But when I task myself with doing the opposite I have a real hard time picturing what the symbol is in my head. Should I just practice more with realkana? I've literally only "studied" for like 5 minutes.

>>74085758
...Get a pen and some paper. Imitate a hand-drawn font and not the mechanical one.

>>74085758
get recognition down first. then, on real kana, when katakana appears hand write it in hiragana and vice verse

>>74086585
In my opinion one should begin by just imitating the characters and getting that down first.

>>74086608
for sure. but that's not really answering his question.

>>74086727
I answered his question from outside of the box.

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>time for the daily anki grind

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>>74086909
Just finished mine.

>>74086003
>>74086585
thanks my dudes guess i just needed more practice and actually utilizing this pencil and notebook

>>74086909
>at this time of day
do it in the morning

>>74087605
Why don't you do it at night instead?
It's asking anon the same pointless question. Or did you think everyone has the same lifestyle and is up a the same hours?

>>74087673
Not that guy but I notice my reviews are markedly worse the later at night I do them

>>74087673
I do think he was being a bit presumptuous to say it so bluntly, but if you are able to get up an hour earlier it really does help a lot to get some of the reviews done in the morning, for me at least.

Personally I spent 1 hour on it in the morning, 30 minutes on the bus trip to and from work, and by the time I'm home if I'm not already done it's usually just another 30 or so minutes. At that point I can spend time watching movies/shows and reading manga.

>>74088412
2 hours of anki a day? how many new words a day?

>>74088502
I work with sentences, but usually 50 a day. Some days I do 30-40 if I've fallen behind on reviews, other days I do around 60.

>>74088733
I don't understand how you can do so many new words and remember enough of them the next day in the reviews so that they aren't continuously piling up day after day. Maybe my memory is bad but even 20 new words a day for me is too much (not that I don't have enough time to do them to begin with, but after a while the amount of reviews have got too large).

>>74089338
Well firstly never ever do straight vocab cards. Words outside of context are a lot harder to remember. You never learned English words in isolation (or when you did, it was torture)

Secondly, I've tweaked my Anki settings based on some Anki maths I saw once. Basically max satisfaction is when you get ~95% correct (not too slow, but good enough accuracy to be happy), but max efficiency is when you get 80% correct (more frustrating than 95%, but can learn more quickly). I've tweaked various settings so I get 80% correct (including lapses, review bonuses, new card intervals etc.)

Thirdly I've lowered the number of wrong answers it takes to mark a card as a leech (it's set at 5 for RTK kanji, and 4 for sentences). At least a few times a week I look at the marked leech cards and either delete them if I don't think they'll be useful, or rework/add mnemonic stories to make remembering them easier. Don't underestimate this step, a lot of review overload comes from leech cards.

Lastly, I'll note that I was a *lot* slower when I did RTK. Doing the first 2000 RTK cards I averaged 20-25 a day, starting at 30 a day and towards the end I slowed to 10-15 a day. Having the RTK bank in my head is really helping me now though, being able to form connections with Heisig keywords makes remembering new words a lot easier.

>>74089540
One correction, I mean I tweaked my settings so I get 85% correct. So I sacrificed a tiny bit of efficiency for my sanity's sake.

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>>74089540
damm thats a lot of work, i just do 20 new a day like >>74089338
i only look at the sentences if the word is fairly ambiguous..or even a peak at google images

I've been thinking of deleting my RTK deck, which I completed around a month ago, as I have started Core around a week after that. Should I? I feel like RTK will be superfluous soon, and it has already achieved its goal of helping me see the Kanji as something other than shapeless scribbles.

>>74090235
Deleting my RTK was the biggest mistake I made years ago. Never throw away your progress. The RTK reviews will decrease a lot over time, just be patient and let the SRS do the job it's supposed to do.

>>74090212
The way I see it, learning a language is a lot of work in general. There's more reasons not to learn Japanese than to learn Japanese for most people. If I'm going to do something insane, may as well go all the way batshit crazy about it.

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sometimes I think if I invested all this time that I spend learning japanese I could speak at least 2 other european languages somewhat properly by now

My instincts tell me reviewing 110 cards and learning 20 should not take two hours. O well, even if I am retarded I'll succeed with persistent effort!

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Let's talk with Japanese people by LINE App.
We are waiting you.
please add LINE QR code.

>>74091349
LINE ID is yad810

>>74091575
call me(⋈◍>◡<◍)。

>>74090968
Depends on the nature of the cards. Also look up settings for tweaking your Anki - it's possible you're reviewing things you know well already too many times. All in all, don't worry about your speed compared to others. The important thing is that you're studying. 20 cards a day is plenty.

>>74092108
Yeah, optimising Anki is probably a good idea. Any idea which settings to play around with first?

How do you tell if a Japan grill likes you?
I am friends with one and she is very friendly to me. Even once said something like it is good to see my smile once and it is good if I'm somewhere near Japan so she can visit me
But I think maybe she is just being friendly so I'm not sure

>>74089540
What deck do you use?

>>74092899
lightsworn

>>74092774
For new cards, I do steps of 3, 15 and 120 (see it again in 3 minutes if I got it wrong, see it again in 15 minutes if I got it right, see it in 2 hours if I get it right again).

I set the graduating interval to 2 days - that is, if I get the 2 hour interval version correct, I'll see it in 2 days rather than 1. I feel 1 day is too soon.


I set the easy interval to 5 days rather than 4, since usually if I hit easy I already know it, so let's get it out of the review queues faster.

Under reviews, I set the easy bonus to 180% - I only hit easy if it's something I know instantly and know well already.

For lapses I set the new interval to 20% (so I only lose 80% of the progress and not 100% if I get a card wrong).

That's about all that was needed for me. Definitely adjust it slightly every now and then though, everyone's different. Keep an eye on the statistics, they're a valuable tool.

>>74092899
I used an RTK shared deck from the anki site that got removed at some point. I also used the first 500 cards of Core2K in sentence form (imported from Nukemarine's Memrise course using an Anki addon) and the Yotsuba Volume 1 vocabulary list. After that I've been adding cards manually with the help of the J-E dictionary in the CoR and Subs2Srs from JDramas.

>>74093003
cool
>>74093296
ありがとう

>>74093481
What do deck do u use?
I bet it is six samurai

How many of you are actually good at listening? Like can follow along easily with most TV shows.

I want to reach this point. Did you just watch heaps until you understood it better?

>>74093296
Cheers, I'll give that a shot over the next few weeks and see how it runs. Thanks for the advice, really appreciate it.

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>>74094108
>I want to reach this point.
we all do

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>>74092887
From what I've learned, women will rarely act friendly like that unless they are directly interested. Cause horny men give them so much attention 24/7, they don't need to actively pursue it. Saying this kind of stuff is going out of her way, it's past the "being friendly polite" attitude because it opens up the chance of you getting closer, instead of keeping you at bay.

She might be also one of those very aggressive man-hunting tiger cakes, I have met plenty of Chinese girls like that.

>>74094108
I can only listen actively, not passively. I listened to a really nice song yesterday several times and, as always, my brain was just turned off and I just listened to the music/sounds, not caring about lyrics.
Then a friend asked what they meant, so I replayed the song trying to pay full attention. Managed to get most of the song's meaning.

Point is, if push comes to shove I can make out what's being said, but it's not second nature like, say, English. Although I'm almost always able to turn off my brain to English too when it comes to music.

>>74094108
>>74096039
japanese really has a weird way of making you feel like shit at times
sometimes you can read/understand complicated sentences perfectly and then you find yourself puzzled by the most mundane looking shit

Starting the Core 2k/6k deck. Am I really supposed to do only 20 cards a day? That doesn't seem like a lot and I'm done in 10-20 minutes.

>>74096366
Aside from the new cards, there are reviews, which will keep accumulating.
In 3 months I had, 100 a day.
In 8 months, 200 a day.

>>74096403
How often should I review? Daily?

Sorry for the dumb questions, just starting off and don't want to get off on the wrong foot.

>>74096423
Yes, daily. Skip a day and the next day will have double the reviews.
That's why not overdoing new cards is important, you only start to feel the effects a few months later.

>>74094108
reading helps too. i recommend kanzen master choukai. i know for sure that n2 and n1 contain a lot of good study for understanding casual spoken japanese, i'm not sure about n3. those parts are not test-specific and something i wish i had done earlier because it takes quite a while to figure all those things out by yourself. i don't know of any good non-jlpt listening textbooks.

くんな = ください ?

>>74096671
What kind of things does it teach? I find it hard to imagine any book that could show you how to overcome the real problems of listening. It seems like it's mainly about getting used to the rhythm and "tune" of various words, and at the same time honing your contextual sense to anticipate what kind of word is coming next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9dSlsqP_0Y&feature=youtu.be

why did the door anger her ancestors? What does she say?

>>74097247
Usually it means 来るな

>>74097600
Ah, that thing where they replace R-column syllables with ん
Thank you.

Pain in the ass - you never see people spell-out this kind of "watcha gonna do" and "hafta shoulda woulda" in English writing.

>>74097768
I always write out "gonna"

これから、日本語タイム!

>>74098248
Twitters, forums, IMs - whatever.
But I almost never see them in print, not even in the close-to-speech kind of interviews (the kind with "um"s and "you know"s).

Only rarely in not serious print, like comic books and only under emphasis - like character changing his way of speaking, pretending to be retarded.

>>74097509
She's cursing some damn brat and saying she'll kill him. The door did nothing wrong.

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I write like a retarded child. How do I stop my hand from shaking so much?

>>74099023
Write so fast that your hand doesn't have time to shake.

774 reviews today, don't think I'm gonna get through 500 new cards. Do you guys do reviews first or mix them together?

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ニホンゴ
ニホンゴ

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Can someone help my retarded ass out?

I just learned the kanji 淡 as to mean thin. I go look it up at Jisho and it's in neither うすい or ほそい, both of which are words that I know to mean thin. I then see that the kanji 淡 is actually used in.

My question: Why the fuck did I learn 淡 means thin? How will this ever aid me in reading Japanese if 淡 is not related to thin in anyway?

>>74100246
it's actually more of faint/pale/feeble, so only a metaphorical thin

>>74099500
Mixed; knowing whether it's a new card or an old one takes away from the challenge and makes my biased.

>>74099500
I always review first. If you're guaranteed to complete whatever you assign yourself then I guess mixed is fine. The most important thing is retaining information, so if I'm limited on time I'd rather get all the reviews done and just add new ones if I have more time later.

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Nearly halfway there boys

さらに詳細な工程を経て制作される。制作会社、作品に投入される各部門のスタッフ数、技術の進歩などにより役職名や工程の違いもあるが、企画から完成までの基本的な工程は以下の通りである。

Given a Japanese and English sentences of similar length are put together like this, why is it that you read the English one first? How do you break from this habit? I wonder when it stops being like that.

>>74104872
This likely won't stop until you read Japanese just as easily as English, because your brain is automatically trying to extract as much info from the post in as short time as possible, and then it doesn't make sense to tackle the whole japanese sentence without first getting the gist of the english one in like five seconds.

Just either don't worry about it, or if it bothers you a lot, train yourself by forcing you to read everything you encounter strictly in order.

>>74105064
I see.

When I was in school I despised other kids for doing that (but not in other language), going for the smaller chunks of text looking for a conclusion before reading the main paragraph, or guessing words because they were too lazy to even finish reading them, then getting corrected.

But I feel I get dumber and dumber by the year thanks to the Internet, and now I understand this ADHD technique of going for the juicy parts and saving time.

>>74104872

I'm proud to say I read that small first sentence in Japanese before skipping to your English one. =)

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>>74015042
Anyone here have read muramasa? How long did it take you to understand it?

My lifes a joke

Im nearly retarded literally autistic and minimum wage.

I live by the laws of karoushi just so i can forget everything and maybe wake up one day to a reality i love... everyday i want to put the bullet to my head.


Also it saddens me this ones the much faster version of /djt/...

>>74108304
>Also it saddens me this ones the much faster version of /djt/...
I don't like you anymore.

>>74108361
whys that?
/int/ has too much funposting. /jp/ is shit tho tbqh and /int/ is more fun but japanese should be taken seriously.

>>74108469
I guess I agree. But I'm committed to the /int/ version at this point.

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>おとなは

This isn't actually a coherent thought, just Yotsuba messing up with her vocab and grammar again, right? Or is it actually a valid statement/insult hurled at adults (in that case why not just おとな without は)

>>74108701
It's not an uncommon way to express exasperation about something. Whatever she thinks about them is just omitted from the sentence.

>>74108519
I just started paying attention to them again. I havent really been a regular on /djt/ since like early 2015. I like the /djt/ version more. Much more boring but it has that elitist vibe and theres already a Japanese shitpost general here.

>>74108913

Thanks