Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1842

Do japanese people not use Hepburn? I've seen then romanize し as "si" or ち as "ti". Why is that?

この絵はきれいですね。

>>73634526
They use Nihon-Shiki.

Which makes complete sense from their perspective, because there is no "si" sound, and し is in the S group, so they assume si makes a SH sound.

Just like how in many western languages have the written form CA CE CI CO CU, but it's pronounced KA SE SI KO KU.

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Post your handwriting faggots
Most learners of ching languages never bother learning to properly write so I wanna see yours
this is chinese but who cares, all the same ding dong

>>73636094
I'll write some stuff for you guys, gimme some sentences!
(When I wake up, 8~9 hours from now).

Oyasuminasai.

>>73636094
They're all at a like 20 degree angle

日本語スレッドから再投稿します:
>>73616156
>正確に言えば「抉り取る」を二つに分けて言っているだけ
>you take their eyes by digging out them
これは僕が書いたのとどう違いますか。
>目玉を抉って、(その目玉を) 頂いてしまう, "gauge them out and receive them."
二つを見事に分けているんじゃないですか。

そうだったら、ここも:
>>73591258
全くは違ってません。半分だけ違ってます。上のセリフの過ちは認めますが、下の方は合ってると思います。

パンツ屋を苛立たせるほかこのスレを死なせない方法はないかと

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What can Japanese people tell me about these? Are they good?

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I think I'm beginning to develop a deeper understanding of causative. They don't necessarily need to become transitive verbs, but the agent is usually marked with an を. A word like 忍ばせる is ultimately going to be translated to English as somebody hiding something, but a very literal definition would be the object is made to hide itself, 重要な書類を忍ばせた. It seems like some causative forms are so heavily used it's like they become classified as separate words, like 知らせる. I thought this was just for English dictionaries, but Japanese ones do it too.

>>73638717
The left one is well known probably throughout in Japan and is sold at 駄菓子屋 that's like a candy store or a sweet shop for kids. I like it. Probably it costs like 20 yen or something.
I have no idea about the others.

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>>73636094
恥ずかしい
I wrote all these from memory, so some might be wrong.

>>73636911
I wanna see yours then

>>73641978
Mine would be far worse. I just thought it was interesting. No offense meant, fellow white.

>>73622103
thats some bullshit, it sounds like they're copying chrome for the sake of 'security'
what the hell was so wrong with XUL

What's the best anki deck for learning grammar along with tae Kim?

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>>73636094
pretty nice handwriting.

>>73635019
とてもきれい!

>>73636719
綺麗な薔薇

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>>73636094
Sure thing, tomod8.

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How do I avoid making mistakes like pic related? Specifically in regards to discerning whether or not something is a set expression. Do I just read more?

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I understand what she's saying, but I don't get the extra だった at the end. From what I understand and according to Tae Kim, there are two ways to use the explanatory の and that would be either in the 持って帰ったんだ way or the 持って帰るんだった way. Pic related seems to be both combined. What meaning is this supposed to create or am I missing something?

>>73644708

"Oh yea, I had returned to give this to you!"
as opposed to
"I've returned to give this to you".

She remembered that she was going to give it to him. Does that explain it?

>>73644788
パクリか

>>73643994
>How do I avoid making mistakes like pic related?

By not being a retard. How do people like that even get hired, what the fuck? That's not even a weird expression, it's common as all fuck.

>>73644708
>What meaning is this supposed to create?

"oh yeah I was gonna"
"oh I just remembered"

>still using the /int/ thread
The discord has officially replaced this thread, everyone move there
neA547g

>>73644821
no

>>73644943
You know what you did, criminal scum.

>>73644862
No. I'm in there but I'd much, much, rather use this thread while it's alive.
>>73644708
I'm kinda happy this was posted on /jp/ too and answered here first.

>>73644788
>>73644821
>>73644943
>>73644975
That's just wrong man. Stealing credit from an anon into your flag is just pure evil.

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>>73645514

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>>73645585

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>>73645648
That one's quality was シット, sorry

>>73645701

Just like the color of your skin mate =>)

>>73645738
You do know the majority of the population in my country isn't black don't you?

>>73645585
>>73645738
Is this what we are gonna end up posting to get the thread to not die? This is just sad

>>73645811
>>73645844

>thinking my post was serious, even with the ridiculous =>) face

The only reasonable explanation for this is autism

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I understand that the end is 言っていた, but what's the やってたって part? やる probably has the meaning of "to smoke," but I'm not sure what the たって is

>>73647624
「やっていた」って(言った)

>>73647624
>my dad told me "smoke is bad, so don't do it"
>but dad told me "he was also doing it then"

たって is like "that (he) was/did" in "told me that blah blah"

>>73647675

ありがとうございます

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I think I get the sentence, but I don't understand the use of から.
What is this grammar?

>>73649491
普段から is just a phrase that means "all the time" or "regularly".

>>73649555
Ah, oh. Thank you. I feel dumb.

お休み、djt!

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On the way to page 10!
>>73651210
Oh, not anymore!

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>>73651219
It was a cleverly disguised bump :^)

>>73647624
あしが太いのくせに

Does anyone else have trouble with memorizing kanjis letter's? It seems like I forget a lot of them which gets kind of annoying.

>>73651822

kanji's letters??

>>73651890
Like kanji has certain letters for each of its words.

Like for 経済 it has けいざい. I can recognize the first kanji easily, but the second one is much harder.

>>73651822
>>73651939
The only advices I can give are :
If you have a visual memory, write the kana down.
If you're more the auditory type, say the words out loud and install the sound packs.

>>73651939

Forgetting is part of the game, my duderino.

>>73651219

大当たり萌え

This thread is both shitty and unusually full of American flags.

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what exactly does the と particle mean in 〜と思います
would google it but my google-fu is bad

>>73653656
It's the quote particle.
"XXXX"<I think.

Just go read some Tae Kim, it's better explained there.

>>73653736
Ah, I see
Thanks, I'm reading Tae Kim but I didn't get that far yet

>>73653910
Don't hesitate to skip ahead when needed.

>>73653006
Americans are underrepresented on DJT, I don't know what you're talking about.

>>73637857
この場合の「抉って」は「頂いて」の連用修飾語で、手段を表す。
そういうことを最初に書いているだろ?
だから、こう訳した。
you take their eyes by digging out them
ちまうのかい(=てしまうつもりか)もいれて訳すと
will you take their eyes by digging out them?

ちなみに>>73637857は
まず、習慣を表す表現「~しては、~する」を誤解している。それは、分かったようだな。
次は、pluckに一語で「抉り取る」という意味があれば、それ自体はいいが「and keep them for yourself」は、君の解釈。解釈と訳は違うと思うぜ。
接続助詞「て」と連用中止法について知りたければ、日本語スレに来な。
今、二つあるけどな。

>>73655400
the thread op and out of character shitposting is all from american flags

they are overrepresented in this thread compared to other daily japanese /int/ threads

>>73656815
Oh, yeah, looks like an odd episde. It's been long since someone even mentioned Jamal.

>>73656815
>>73659104
Literally the only two people who have a problem with people having fun is you two. Both of you play content cop in every single thread and nobody else cares.

Isn't Krautchan back up? Can't you start a DJT there and suck each other off over how humorless you are?

>>73634526
Elementary school students learn "si" and "ti" around 4th grade, then get told to use "shi" and "chi" in junior high school. It's counterproductive.

My Japanese textbook in uni actually romanized things the elementary way. I still use that when typing Japanese on a keyboard.

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>>73659192
ほらほらお嬢ちゃん落ち着けなさい、どうしてそんなに怒れちゃったの?八つ当たるのは駄目よ。癌を引くかも、ストレスので。気を付けて、元気しよう!けんかよりけんこうを大切に!ね?

>>73643994
Pay attention to commas, just like you do in English.

>>73643233
Overslept, But I'm on it.

Bump because Easter shitpost.

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>>73636094

いやぁ...華もいてくれたんで?
What does it can mean? Hana stay with me too?

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How did you set up your mining deck? I've setup mine following the guide but I think it's somewhat plain the way it is now.
What fields do you use on your cards? Do you use the default dictionary in rikaisama or an EPWING one like 研究者?

>>73663692
I hope you don't have those furigana on the front.
I usually try and use the 研究者 definition because it has plenty of example sentences, but sometimes the default definition makes more sense so it depends on the situation. I also set it to include the original sentence which I mined the word from on the back, because it's important to remember what kind of usage you actually encountered.

Is anki really more effective than picking, say... 60~100 books you like and reading them over and over?

>>73664009
The image shows the back of the card, the front has only the kanji on top. I just copy pasted everything from the guide, only changes I make are background and text color. Could you show me your deck as reference?

>>73664114
No, it's not; however you might have some trouble reading those books if you don't have any vocab. Learning a word in Japanese is a little more complicated than learning an english word.

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>/int/'s page count was cut in half
RIP good DJT

>>73664550
nah they just deleted half the threads for being pure cancer

good move imo

>>73664581
Oh, I see. Never mind then.

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>>73659192
Same anon?

http://desuarchive.org/int/thread/73068500/#73078157
http://desuarchive.org/int/search/image/l4X_BjLtmlBq9qljShsZIQ/

>>73663692
kanji
furigana
translation

i type all my cards myself and translate the english translation into my native language. i use an epwing kenkyusha dictionary. i usually have no context but i am very careful to always add が/を to mark intransitive/transitive, な for na adjectives, の for nouns often used as adjectives, する for suru verbs etc. i only add extra context or hints (like irregular reading) if it's a word i regularly fail.

i add every word i look up so i add a lot more words than i can do spaced repetition for. so every day i preview today's added words, mark words that i think are important enough to review regularly, and review them to add them. so out of 50 added words only 5-10 might end up in spaced repetition. if i add few words one day i go through old unseen words and mark some of them instead.

Pin pong ning nong wushi toyo akashi pooshi wuaaja woogie

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>>73643233
Left - writing normally;
Right - writing quickly.

It keeps skewing to the left!

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how do I avoid romaji as much as possible while going through Genki? i mean its literally everywhere

>>73668364
Avoiding romaji is a meme, you will even have to use it to type.
Just make sure it's not shitty romaji that fucks up with long vowels (such as ROUMAJI) and whatnot.

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Jumped early into reading stuff as I feel like it helps me understand the language and grammar better than reading grammar guides. I still struggle a lot when a sentence is more than a single simple clause but anyway.
Help me understand the proper translation for the second panel of picrelated.

This is how I translated right panel:
Y - this cup became a cellphone
M - so you can make phone calls and drink juice with it, that's handy
Y - yeah

But for left panel it's:
Y - Miura, do you have a cellphone?
M - No, I don't. But I want one.

Now, I read Yotsubato like this - I try to translated a page myself and then I compare it to the translated version (the one from mangafox) to see if I get the flow right. However in this case, left panel is translated as following:
Y - Wanna try the cellphone, Miura?
M - No, I don't want to try it.

Next page Yotsuba tells Ena that Miura "keetai mottemasen" and Miura suggests "calling" Asagi since she has a cellphone. Now, is it me who's completely wrong here or is it bad translation on mangafox?

P. S. can anyone suggest a good English translation of Yotsubato?

>>73668624
Your translation is correct.

Do you try to learn when your mind is really clouded by so many other things? I have a lot of things on my plate, relationship problems, job problems etc and I just find it hard to concentrate

how do you guys adapt to this?

>>73669812
Try not to stop, but reduce the workload.

>>73668991
Thanks. Got a bit curious because of how
"motteru ka", "mottenai yo" and "hoshii yo" were translated in that English version.

>>73669871
Yeah, I guess so, I cant absorb much at this state.

do you guys do subconscious learning? like listening to a japanese lesson/podcast without thinking much of it?

>>73670379
That will only give you a marginal gain and doesn't replace the need for actual study.

It works more when you already have some knowledge, so you can pick up things here and there accidentally.

>>73670558
I did not mean for it to replace actual study, but for when youre not studying, like sitting on the bus, listening to music, I can instead listen to an old japanese lady talk about the days of the week while my mind wander off somehwere

thanks anon!

>>73670719
Ah, I used to do it with French, had some of those textbook audios that would say "English word -> French word" or "English sentence -> French Sentence" separated by subjects. Each audio had from 30 seconds to 3 minutes and would play randomly in-between music when I put my master playlist on shuffle.
Learned quite a lot of stuff with that, would do the same for Japanese if I still had to commute to school/work.

>>73670719
Well, listening to Japanese music does nothing for me in terms of learning the language. Don't know about textbook stuff.
Watching anime or reading manga does much more since you can learn or even guess the meaning of new words by how they fit the situation. But this is of course not a subconscious learning.

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EXTRA, EXTRA, THIS JUST IN!

Did some analysis and Core30k is mostly useless.
I was expecting it contain a good chunk of the kanji I was missing from Core10k, but apparently triple the size wasn't enough to fit more than 500 new kanji - 128 of them being hyougai.

Guess I'll have to mine them from Jisho instead, oh well.

>>73672675
Kanji doesn't matter. Words matter.

>Guess I'll have to mine them from Jisho instead, oh well.
This is a horrible idea.

>>73673100
GOTTA CATCH'EM ALL.

At least the ones that are from official lists.
(Doesn't N1 require you to know all of them anyway?)

>>73673395
No not literally. The "kanji requirements" of JLPT tests aren't in actual kanji, rather it's in words that use those kanji. And they don't have any official lists anymore since people were studying to the lists instead of learning japanese.

>>73673476
Oh, but I'll mine words with those kanji, obviously.
I might learn a few useless things in the process, but it's not like Core hasn't taught me 鯛 and 杉 already.

Mining 人名用 kanji is an incredibly silly idea, but have fun I guess. I hope you're into botany.

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what the hell are the first and second characters in this? i know third and fourth are ma yo. is the first one a ki? it looks like a kanji but i'm not sure

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>>73673642
Jinmeiyou is an entire different subject, I still don't even know exactly how to deal with meaningless kanji that are only used for names.
Is there even a Nanori dictionary?

>>73673731
oops, mayu. i'm dumb. and i just realized ki is the other way, so it has to be a kanji

>>73673731
春日まゆ

>>73673784
>>73673784
春日
The 日 is a bit weird, but since the same thing happens on 春's lower part, you can tell.

>>73673860
>>73673876
thanks

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SUDDENLY BRAZIL.

>>73673731
learn stroke order and then you can piece together stylistic fonts / handwritten chicken scratch far easier, since you'll know which direction is more likely to be disconnected or have those "brush dragging on the page" connections

>>73677449
>muh stroke order
You may be retarded but not everyone needs to know stroke order to immediately recognize that the circles are suppose to be squares, so 春 and 日

>>73677946
Anyone who says stroke order isn't important is a retard. It's not even hard to learn.
Post your handwriting.

>>73678154
>Every one of my teachers, all fluent, and one of their wives, who is Japanese, are retarded.
>lol post handwriting
my handwriting is shit in English too, lol guess I need to learn the alphabet's stroke order

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>>73677946
it's true you don't need to, but it certainly helps and would definately cut down on the amount of "wut is this character with a small gap in" questions on here. vs telling people it doesn't matter and the same shit happening over and over...?

>>73678340
It's twice as funny because your typing is far from stellar.

>>73678593
1) You're from fucking Brazil, you don't have any business commenting on a native speaker's English.
2) You sound like one of those fuckwads who thinks that there's an objectively correct grammar. Maybe you should write a dictionary too since you care so much about how people use language.
3) You're fucking Brazilian

Stroke order is important, you just don't have to practice it for /all the kanji/ because it's relatively regular.

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>>73678756
I agree, stroke order is important, if you don't know it then bad handwriting is nearly impossible to figure out! I've read many DC comics with bad handwriting in the background and if I didn't study stroke order then I wouldn't be able to read it!

>>73678340
You can IMMEDIATELY see the difference in the writing of someone who knows even basic stroke order principles (top - down etc) and someone who thinkd that it isn't important just because it doesn't cater to your weeb interests.

>>73679041
I didn't know someone could be this delusional

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>>73679041
Whether direct study or just exposure, you DO need to have some semblance of how writing flows to be able to read fast writing or chicken scratch, regardless of language. In the case of Japanese, learning stroke order is pretty regular and really doesn't take much time since you can look it up via radical.

Stop being a twat and spreading misinformation.

How is 「Xだったりするんじゃないですか」
different from 「Xじゃないですか」 ?

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Does Kim have this one wrong or am I missing something? Looks like a shortened-causative-passive さされます ending

>>73681121

I'm referring to what とらこ is saying on the left.

「任す」と「任せる」は異なりますか? スペル以外に違いは何ですか?

Happy Easter guys.

>>73680961

It could be a few things, like the X in the first example is an exemplary thing that is pointed out among other possible items (particularly if it's the only example stated). It can have a negative bent. The second example is more of a standard negative question: isn't it X?

>>73684439

Without knowing firsthand, nor looking at a Japanese dictionary, you may be able to surmise that 任せる is generally more polite than the former. We're dealing with interpersonal interactions here, and that's when politeness and indirectness really shines. Kind of like "てもらえますか?"

>>73681121

It certainly does look and seem like causative passive. Hopefully someone more acquainted with slang can comment.

>>73663127
Hana was also there for me.
The んで is abbreviated ので, so you can imagine the remainder if the sentence.

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>>73684302

>>73685230
more like read

What is the best place to learn Japanese online? I want Japanese pen pals to hang out with!!

>>73685230
too bad i'm learning chinese instead so it mostly leads to doujin scans

2ch・・・?
まちBBSとか

>>73680961
like 90% of jappanese extra grammar is either adding politeness or ambiguity/uncertainty. Here it's the latter

>>73679041
I write pretty much half of the letters in different stroke order and some strokes in different direction.

Which is the best way to study and make more flash cards in a fun way:
>Song lyrics
Sounds fun to be able to understand the song but being able to properly pronounce and sing the lyrics takes time and feels wasteful
>Study anime subtitles
Watching the same episode over and over gets tiring but I think this helps with conversations the most
>or read a book/manga
I keep seeing people say reading is good but I don't like stopping so often to look up something plus I don't read like reading that much anyways.

>>73692793
>>Song lyrics
I feel like that'd be bad because aside from gathering vocab all it'll really help you with is being able to understand more songs since no one really talks like how they sing.

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>>73692793
Extensive reading, to be exact, refers to reading large volumes of material at or very slightly above one’s comprehension level, aiming for overall understanding of the work instead of worrying about every detailed twist of grammar or every word. This approach stresses learning from context and getting used to the language by massive exposure instead of understanding things point by point. It does not replace its opposite, intensive reading (in which a difficult point or a sentence well above the learner’s level is studied in detail); but rather is a vital supplement. In fact, intensive reading and study should instead be viewed as a supplement to extensive reading, which turns the normal classroom paradigm on its head.

The four skills of reading, listening, writing, and speaking ought to be viewed in that order, because each one feeds the next. You can’t say what you don’t know, and reading is much easier to learn words from than listening. The large quantity of exposure helps the learner to think in the target language, which in turn improves output abilities.

All three things you listed are reading.

Song lyrics are more like sentence fragments or even poetry, so not that helpful aside from vocab. Anime subtitles are going be spoken dialogue for the vast majority of them, sparse narration. Books will have narration, inner monologues, descriptive text, setting, literary language in general on top of spoken dialogue and maybe even poetry/lyrics.

>>73691697
Trying for a qt country girl?

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I took like 2 months off of doing my anki.

I gotta tell you guys that do this: don't.

Also, some of you decide to start over on your anki decks when you do this (you all do it, don't fucking lie you nerds).

Don't do that either. Brain-muscle memory lets you learn it all over again so much faster.

For those of you who haven't learned Japanese in a while (so like 50+% of you), just get back into it where you left off and deal with the difficulty of re-learning.

Yeah. In short, don't be pic related (old-school /djt/ for you newfags)

>>73693919
Did you post the wrong picture?

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>>73694165
No, newfag. I didn't.


Am I the only one left, djters? Is it just me?

It's all over. Fuck everything.

>>73694278
Nah, I think I've been here longer than most. Just didn't see the connection.

>>73694338
>I think I've been here longer than most.
Well it is from like 2 years ago. So that's like 99% of the newfags in here.

>>73694410
Can you explain what that excerpt from that pidgin language book has to do with what you said in your post

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>>73694458
Nope. Can you go back to being a newfag? I'm trying to demonstrate my superiority here.

>>73694499
>I'm trying to demonstrate my superiority here.
By using tumblr memes that have been rehashed to hide their origin with a 4chan filename that starts with 14? w

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>>73694553
I actually downloaded that from a thread in the old thread back on /a/

Pls go back to not knowing Japanese, newfriend. This is literally was I was talking about originally.

Do you scrubs at least remember this? I'm about to leave this place. You guys suck fucking dick.

>>73694410
>Well it is from like 2 years ago
Hey what do you know, maybe some people don't actually need DJT after two years of learning Japanese.

...Nevermind

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>>73694627
>muh memes

>>73681121
the short causative passive in itself is a colloquial form so it's difficult to say something is "incorrect". generally さされる is considered incorrect (any grammar book will probably say so) but if someone uses it, well, obviously that person uses it. you probably should avoid it yourself though.

YES
It's the daily chinese cartoons thread

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>>73694647
>>73694660

You guys are right. Maybe I should just take my advanced knowledge of Japanese and just leave.

Not like anyone needs people to answer questions here.

Bye. (one last meme for old-time's sake)

>>73694688
>14 again
>old
Yeah take that advanced knowledge right back to r/Japanese

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>>73694698
>tfw barely 13

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>>73694698
Awww you're cute. You're trying so hard. It's like you're new to 4chin.

>>73694741
1 4
4

>>73694688
I'm fucking with you, I've been doing core6k for 3 years and I'm still not done.

>>73694755
Bruh you can do that in like 6 months without even trying. What are you doing?

fuck you gays are all gays you want to learn japanese just come to japan
be homeless white live in yoyogi park refund PET bottle

>>73694782
How much does a PET bottle go for?

come teach english and be stupid slave for few money
HAHAHAHA

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>>73694782
>>73694790

>>73694790
refund is 2 yen at recycle machine
if you work day you may get lunch HAHAHA kill yourself

>>73694772
University doesn't help. Few new cards/day, and I take breaks during exam periods.
I've done more new cards in the last two weeks of holidays than I had since January.

I don't really mind going slow anyway.

>>73694794
Fuck that, you guys can't learn english anyway.

>>73692955
Thanks, I'm now changing the entire way I will study

>>73694814
Can you go? You're obviously trolling. (and you're a retard)

>>73694828
I mean, it's not like France is any better than Japan in the "learn other foreign languages" front. You guys are notoriously my-language-only.

Why do people hate on Americans again when French people exist?

>>73694828

>France talking about others learning English

HON HON

>>73694854
I never said France was better. The level is laughable. I couldn't have learned the language if I had expected english class to teach me anything.

>>73694916
>taking classes
>expecting to learn foreign languages

Why do Europeans think they're not shit? Pol, can you please tell me?

>>73694996
Good post.

Why is the nigger who owns realkana not letting me use it with an adblocker, and not even letting me use it when I turn my adblocker off?

(´Д｀)おまえら暇だな

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>>73678711

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>>73678711
>You're fucking Brazilian

I fuckin' lost it XD

>>73695150
Pic related.

what is the fastest way to find out a kanji you dont recognize. KanjiTomo?

>>73695220
Depends on the kanji. Often times, you can get good results by identifying ~2 radicals and doing a radical search.

>>73695315
im mostly having trouble with handwritten stuff.
sometimes i cant even find the radicals

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Here to recommend some good listening practice/nice tunes:
大貫妙子 is a city pop artist who was most active in the late 70s through 80s. I really enjoy her music, and she sings slowly enough and enunciates well enough to make for some basic listening practice.

https://youtu.be/kwh-lz5lqhY
Youtube seems to have blocked my favorite album of hers (pic related) in the US, so if you can get a hold of that one through other "channels" I recommend you do so.

>>73695403
Personally I think radical search is mostly effective precisely when a kanji is really butchered up.
I haven't done any isolated radical study or anything, I just got used to them by writing and doing radical searches.

If you can't even make out the radicals in a word, you're pretty fucked I think. In these cases I just do some guesswork.

>>73695446
Good tastes. Never thought of studying it though.

>>73695446
Well... if you listen to any j-music in general, it's technically listening practice. Which is maybe about half of my playlist (not counting instrumental stuff). I knew how to "speak" Japanese way before picking the language up just because I listened to anime OPs/EDs and sang along with the romaji karaoke.

Bretty good song nevertheless, thanks for the recommendation.
Have something in return, shitty version because takedowns on the actual track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-r5Y2MGv1Y

>>73695220
i use a handwriting recognition app. if you're bad at radicals it's probably the easiest especially if the app/program/website ignores/lets you ignore stroke order. i only do radical lookup if it's a kanji rare enough that the app doesn't recognize it, because it's slow.

sometimes i'm extra lazy and try to guess the on reading from the radicals. often works very well actually.

>>73644708
だった is past tense short form です
です ー だ
でした ー だった

>tfw nippongo class speaking test
>have to come up with a dialogue with a partner and film it
>tfw he hasn't written anything so I have to do it all
>every class he keeps saying anime things like しまった and おっす whenever possible

>>73696395
where is that tafe, why the fuck would you bother

>>73695403
Put in whatever radicals you can find, then estimate the stroke count and start your search around there

Alternatively just read a bit more media with clear non-handwritten text until you're a bit better

>>73694278
been here longer than anyone probably but i don't really come here much anymore

>>73696413
It's an actual real university and if I was doing it as a course rather than electives it'd involve spending next year at a university in japan

シットポストしてもいい?

>>73696537
いいよふふふ
アノンくんなら、どんなシットでも笑って耐える

>>73696469
>it'd involve spending next year at a university in japan
so what? living there, even courses in japanese over there is not getting you through the mountain of vocabulary you're going to have to do on your own time anyway

So I decided to watch some good old Akira Toriyama but I ran into a word I can't tell what it means.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67t-L2E-87U around 0:53 right after 領収書書きましょうか.
Cashman ask the guy if he wants a receipt or if he would prefer what?

>>73696797
母印をした法がいいですか。

>>73697299
Why would he ask for a fingerprint though? Is that a thing in Japan?

>>73698024
Maybe it's some form of contract, it's my best guess.

If I want to say "Isn't it because ___", can/do I use 「Xからじゃない(です)か」?

>>73698024
Can be used, especially by children, in place of a hanko.

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Do you guys take notes on grammar?
Show me ya moves.

>>73695446

I'm only familiar with her Sugar Babe tracks but that song is lovely. I do like her voice; it's fragile yet competent, assured yet ultimately feminine in its modesty. I usually dislike female singing voices but her's I can appreciate. Thanks for sharing, and please do more so in the future.

Yeah if it isn't copyright'd it's not available in my country... youtube is pretty shitty for Japanese music.

I asked if a person had read couple books and he answered また読んでません
What does it mean?

>>73699096
Yes. I make a specific file for each grammar point I encounter, then compile them into a single LaTeX document. That way it's modular and I can edit entries easily.

>>73699318
He hasn't read them yet.

>>73699380
Thank you!

>>73699356
Can you show your directory, a sample note and the LaTeX thing?

>>73699418
I can't sorry. It was a hack I put together one weekend and never cleaned up. It doesn't scale to other cases at all. Basically unless you follow my exact syntax in your note-taking, it's worthless to you.

I think it'd honestly be shorter for you to write your own version than it would to parse my code.

I'd like to make a more general use program/script one of these days, but where's the time?

>>73699519
I just wanted to see how it works, so I can make something that fits my needs.

But eh, okay.

Is the dude who posted some Denpa music on the Discord still on the thread? If so could they give me some more recs? I kinda digged that shit.

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>>73699614
Ok. Here is a single file, the directory of files, and the final pdf. It's also easy enough to make anki cards if you export to tab delimited files as well as LaTeX.

Since most people run ITT run windows anyway, you'd probably need to set up cygwin and some other shit just to run it. That's why it makes more sense just to script your own if you like the general concept

Current verb forms I've learned...

>します
Polite present/future
>しましょう
Polite suggestion
>した
Casual past
>しました
Polite past
>しません
Polite present/future negative
>しませんでした
Polite past negative
>して
Te Form
>しています
Action/'in the process of' form
>してみます
To try
>したい
To want to
>しながら。。。
While
>してから。。。
After/Because
>してが。。。
Or/But
>してね
Ne form/Suggestive/Confirmation
>してよ
Yo form/Suggestive/Confirmation
>しますか
Polite questioning
>しませんか?
Polite suggestive/'Won't you?'
>しましょうか?
Polite suggestive/'We will'

Now to tackle causitive, potential, stem, as well as continuing to learn the differences between go-dan, ichi-dan and irregular.

Any suggestions/help or just keep going with Tae Kim?

>>73700329
The Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar PDF on the CoR has a list of verb conjugations, check that out.

>ビル vs 建物

Which is more common? Why do I find myself drawn to using 建物 over ビル?

>>73700704
Don't take my word for it, but I've noticed ビル as a suffix in specific building names far more often than I've seen it used to refer to buildings in general.

But I don't think something like あそこのビル would be wrong. I just don't ask directions enough I guess.

How commonly is だ used in comparison to です? I've been told by my teacher that it sounds like I'm using 関西弁 when I do this. Is it to do with how they speak in Tokyo/敬語 vs more casual dialects?

I'm concerned よつばと is teaching me bad habits...

>>73700297
Oh, looks nice. How are they organized? By order of study? Similar categories?

I was thinking about making a table for verb conjugations/stems, but there's no easy way to list random grammar points like these you're showing.
Maybe by JLPT grade.

>>73701069
By simple alphabet order.

When I originally wrote it, it was just for N3, but now it has everything up to N1 mixed up in there. It's fine though because I mainly just use the search function to find what I want.

>>73701008
だ is kind of like the informal version of です. They're not exact equivalents (Tae Kim describes some of the differences), but generally the main thing that'll determine what you use is whether you're talking formally or informally.

>>73701008
It has nothing to do with regional dialects. You just need to show more respect when speaking to your teacher!

枕流漱石・ちんりゅうそうせき:
sore loser stubbornly refusing to admit being wrong and adhering to the far-fetched argument.
漱石枕流 ・そうせきちんりゅう :
sore loser stubbornly refusing to admit being wrong and adhering to the far-fetched argument.

>>73704322
Interesting phrase.

I suppose because there's nothing else to the sentence, it really doesn't matter about the word order. If you were to introduce another person and actions, you would need to be more specific with word order.

>>73699105
Glad you enjoyed it. I wholeheartedly agree with you, I absolutely adore her voice.

鬣

Damn das awesome

>>73709190
Yeah I also love black squares.

A few recent ones I've learned: 鬘窶簾

so I've downloaded this google ime thing. but whenever I switch to jp, in addition, I have to click on this dumb A appearing next to my input mode icon and then select hiragana. is there a quicker way?

>>73711454
You can use hotkeys to change to hiragana mode.

What do you listen to while practicing writing, djt?

I was looking for some real traditional japanese music to help focus, but I'm a bit lost since I can't search 和楽器 on youtube without getting lots of 和楽器バンド videos.

Sometimes I listen to the OST of Oboro Muramasa but this time I'd like something full of pauses, almost ASMR. Any recommendations?

>>73711454
You will have to do this once for every application you have opened right now, if I remember it correctly.

In any case, Alt+Capslock goes from Alphanumeric to Hiragana to Katakana and Shit+Capslock goes back to Hiragana (but doesn't go back to Alphanumeric, you have to mouseclick).

I'm not sure I get the usefulness of the てある tense.

>>73712524
It's not a tense, it's an aspect

And it's useful because it does the same thing the passive does but without there being an agent, implied or otherwise. It only states the outcome of an event.

>>73712596
I'm looking at a few sample sentences and it makes more sense now.

>今日のテストでは、勉強してあったところから問題が出た。

So, from what I get, the "aru" becomes "atta" (past tense) when the future to which you've prepared for has already passed.
Is that it?

>>73713636
>>73713636
てある means that something remains in a state of something being done to it. てあった means that it was once in a state of something being done to it. I don't know whether that state is allowed to continue into the present in this case.

Is it normal to do like 150 reviews a day? This shit is killing me.

>>73713938
Yeah, that's normal.

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What's the difference between くて and で te forms?
e.g.
暑くて
暑いで
食べなくて
食べないで
Or if someone can point me in the right direction, thanks.

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>>73636094
Repost from the other day

>>73642543
>>73643954
i like

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>>73713719
This is my best guess so far.

>>73714410
Second one is imperative.
The -te form only has a -de in verbs that end in mu, bu and nu.

>>73714410
くて is a conjunction, いで is an infinitive

>>73700329
I like this site.

http://www.japaneseverbconjugator.com/

エイリアンがあるよ :3

>>73714881
That's not what he means. Read the post. He's asking about the difference between 暑くて and 暑いで.

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>>73714872
Thanks. I've actually copied your way of doing things because it seemed like it would save space.

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>>73715083
Yeah, I fucked up big time.

>>73700329
I'm doing a table of my own as I go. Might be wrong, but I'll adjust as necessary.

(It would have to be a 3D table to include all politeness stuff, maybe even 4D is more stuff shows up).

>>73715414
the irregular in 良い is its い form not its よ forms

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>>73715344
>I've actually copied your way of doing things

何のペンを使う?

>>73715807
Do you mean どんなペン?

>>73716327
Maybe, how different are they, I've never really known.
>何の
What kind?
>どんな
Which?

Or am I horribly wrong?

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>>73715807
万年筆だよ。違うのカートリッジを使ってるから姿はちょっと...

>>73715807
Dumb anime poster

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>>73716632
帰国しろ、お兄さん。

>>73716599
Looks fancy, how big is the pen tip?

How would you translate this?

曲刀
刀

I thought Scimitar and Katana but I don't know much about weapon names tbqh so I'm not sure it's fitting.

>>73717483
Saber

>>73717367
It's nothing fancy, that's a pretty cheapo pen actually. The tip is kinda small I guess, although I have this weird habit of writing with the backside of the nib, so I write smaller that the pen normally would.

>>73717542
That's kinda generic, which one though? 曲刀?

>>73717698
曲刀 quite literally just means "curved sword", so a generic term like "saber" is a valid translation. though the actual culture the sword is from might make "saber" an incorrect translation; "saber" only applies to european onehanded curved swords where only the front side is bladed

>>73717698
also 刀 translates to "katana" if it means katana and "sword" or "blade" otherwise

Is there a collection of japanese subs for gaki no tsukai anywhere?

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Anyone know what the word before 貴公子?
>>73718154
https://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2FDowntown+no+Gaki+no+Tsukai+ya+Arahende%21%21%2F

>>73718287
What I got was "hill" but that didn't make sense to me.

>>73718287
Dude, there's furigana. Did you consider typing out the kana and pressing space a couple times in your IME to see if it has it?

>>73718411
Already tried. "..うさん" is the only part I'm certain of.

>>73718516
狂乱

>>73718516
that's らん

>>73718555
;_; i'm such a brainlet

>>73718647
you'll get better at it eventually

>>73718672
Thanks

>>73718287
Oh shit nice didn't realise Kitsunekko had some

>>73715527
What? If you're talking about the use of the kanji for the いい reading, I just put it there as a reminder, just like I've done with iru/aru/oku.

what exactly is koto and why can it be replaced with no?

what exactly does koto do? I always thought it'd nominalize a verb but apparently that's not really correct.

>>73719194
Nah I'm talking about the red highlights

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is this something like "The reason is that Suwako is always Suwako"?
Suwako is the name of the girl

so "you are always like that"

>>73719226
こと is word meaning "thing" used for intangible or abstract things like thoughts, actions, events, states of being, conceptions, statements, etc

nominalizing verbs is one of the things koto does, but not the only thing

>>73719232
Ah, I see. But the element that breaks expectations is the yo. The adjecitve's base form should be the one dictating conjugation.

>>73719357
the base form is 良い・よい, not 良い・いい

>>73716632
anime website

>>73715807
>何のペン

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>>73716599 ナイス

これは私のものの一つです。

持っていれば、万年筆をポストしてください

梨

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time to quit anime forever

>>73720358

>>73716535

>he still watches cartoon for children

>>73719265
"It's the reason why Suwako is Suwako." かな

>>73719387
Yoi is the base form of the yoi adjective, not of the ii adjective.

>>73722219
They are *literally* the same word. いい is an exceptional pronunciation of よい that's only present in the い-form of the word.

>tfw you spend your evening flirting with qts on hellotalk instead of studying

>>73723559
I hope you're mining those kaomojis.

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>>73722219
>>73722410
I know this has already been covered but I'd like to bring a bit of reference material to the subject, for the sake of maybe adding something different and potentially useful.
https://www.alc.co.jp/jpn/article/faq/03/83.html
While よい is used as an い adjective, いい is generally used as an attributive form which modifies nouns and stuff (いい天気) or a terminal form, (それがいい - which is one of the reasons why it doesn't require the copula だ to be a grammatically "correct" phrase).
The negative and past forms いくない and いかった can be seen in some dialects but are not used in standard speech.
Generally speaking, the difference between いい and よい isn't in meaning but more in tone, whereas よい is viewed more as a written form and thus more formal. As a general rule of thumb, when used in the attributive form いい is used over よい, in examples such as いい加減にしろ and いい歳して. There is also a tendency to use not 良 but 好 if kanji are used for いい. Conversely when いい・よい is attached after the word, there is a trend for both よい and いい to be used, such as in 気持ちよい・気持ちいい and 心地よい・心地いい.

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>>73672675
...There's a Core30k?

>>73727366
Apparently, no idea why you'd use it over mining actually relevant words, though. Especially when it comes to more obscure words, context is super important, and even with an example sentence, it can be weird.

>>73727657
Having something like the Core30k or whatever deck doesn't mean you have to use all of it.
It could be merely a useful tool to have on hand, unsuspended words as you come across them. Some anons do that sort of thing.

You know how 来ている mean "has come" (As in he's already here) and not "Is coming"? Given that, how would you say "Is coming"?

>>73729653
来ている
来てる
来る
いま来る
いまから来る

i love you DJT, pls remember to do your reps today too!

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Does this sentence roughly translate to "I feel that there are also problems *with* the parents," implying that not necessarily they have problems themselves, but instead contributed to the fact that あさぎ may have now?

The reason I ask is because of the にも, I feel like if とらこ was referring to mother having personal problems she'd only use も, right?

>>73730871
>i love you
恋愛禁止

>>73731653

contributed to the problems*

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>>73730871
よし、仕上げた! 読む時だ!

>>73731653
虎子 was thinking about how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, that the problem is with the mother as well [which is where あさぎ gets it from].

>>73731925

And that sentiment comes from the use of に, right? For instance, if she didn't use に and only も, wouldn't her sentence only would mean that she also has problems?

>>73723559
Is hellotalk good for learning Japanese? I get the feeling it's swarmed with normies and weebs.

>>73732074
>it's swarmed with normies and weebs.
so, everybody?

>>73732029
If it was only も, the sentence would be a bit weird. に here is the indirect target.

>>73732111

As in indirect object? I was thinking abstract location; "There are also problems in the parent" literally.

>>73732111

But に generally wouldn't be used in that way, right? For example, 私に問題がある sounds incorrect to me and wouldn't は or が be better? That's why I think に means "with" or something similar in that instance, because も is already there

>>73732335
>>73732346
My explanation was probably more confusing than useful. Here, a bunch of J-E examples to get a feel for. Better than I can explain:
http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E7%A7%81%E3%81%AB%E3%82%82

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>>73732466

Thank you, we're on the same page just wording it differently.

>I want to make you mines.

ngu hu hu

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>>73732737
How are you finding よつばと!, enjoyable?
If you're the same anon from the /jp/ thread, glad you decided to keep posting. Was a little worried the way some anons responded that it would turn that anon/you off from using the threads. They can be helpful, sometimes.

>>73732737

Please help me understand fellow Ameribro

>>73732893

That was the other guy. But yeah, honestly, it's great. I'm hoping to move to VNs relatively soon though. はなひら and Flyable Heart most likely at first

I've seen some instances where で is put at the start of the sentence
What does it mean in that context?

>で、何を話したいのか?

>>73732953

I think of it as abstract location, the に at least. If you had a question to ask, for instance, you you could say (私は implied)質問がある. Or if you had something to tell someone, 話がある. The は often replaces the に here, though, and for first person the "I" is usually dropped altogether. 私は好きです (as for in me there is fondness). However は could also replace the subject が in these kinds of descriptive constructions, like this just popped up in google "過保護な兄は好きですか?" That's most likely "As for overprotective big brothers, do you like them?" and not "As for overprotective big brothers, do they like (unstated noun)?" Behind every は is another particle.

The も is just "too", "also", etc. in this context, I think that's pretty easy to follow.

>はなひら

I don't know much about VNs but I tried playing some of this a few weeks ago because it's supposed to be "beginners" level. I don't know how useful it is in the grand scheme of things, but if you if you want to perfect your moe/loli/cute girls doing cute things comprehension capabilities, it's probably worth your time.

>>73733210
So, what'd you want to talk about? It's like "and".
Abbreviation of それで.

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>>73734135
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>>73733989

>if you want to perfect your moe/loli/cute girls doing cute things comprehension capabilities

All part of the plan, I guess.

As for your explanation, what would be the abstract location in this scenario? If it's that sort of thing I think just a simple は / も would already encapsulate that - 親も問題がある

In other orders, the も already marks 親 for the purpose that you seem to be referencing