I apologize for that shitshow of a debate rest of the world. I really do.
What the fuck was that shit about Russia ? Why would even talk shit about them ? Does he think Putin doesn't watch these debates ? how the fuck is he suppose to respect a man and work with that talks shit about them what the fuck
Such a sad end to such a beautiful friendship
>Hillary gets elected
>a guaranteed four years of scandals and foreign policy blunders, combined with all that Berniefag butthurt
Boots on the ground in Syria when?
Putin actually seems kind of retarded.
>"You talk about Khodorkovsky, and I talk
about Enron," Putin told Bush. "You appoint the Electoral College and I appoint governors. What’s the difference?"
>At another point, Putin defended his control over media in Russia. "Don’t lecture me about the free press," he said, "not after you fired that reporter."
>"Vladimir, are you talking about Dan Rather?" Bush asked.
>Yes, replied Putin.
>Rather was in the process of stepping down as anchor of the CBS Evening News after a report accusing Bush of not fulfilling his National Guard service turned out to be based on fraudulent documents. Bush explained to Putin that he had nothing to do with Rather losing his job. "I strongly suggest you not say that in public," he added. "The American people will think you don’t understand our system."
He also told Bush that he "knew" that the US had special poultry farms just for Russia, so we could send our bad chicken to them.
The more I learn about Russia the more convinced I become that most of them actually do believe that the rest of the world is as shitty as they are, and no amount of proofs will convince them otherwise. I guess it's a coping mechanism.
His stump speech is a pretty good articulation of his candidacy, though.
I'm not entirely convinced that he really believes that he has a shot at the nomination. But he is trying to take every opportunity that he can to get his message out to as wide an audience as possible. I can respect that. I've watched a lot of presidential debates over the years, and some of the things that he is saying are things that you wouldn't normally hear from a major candidate. It's refreshing, much in the way that Trump is refreshing, except, unlike Trump, it's not retarded or pure entertainment.
It was pretty based when he called out Clinton for name-dropping Henry Kissinger as if Kissinger isn't widely regarded (outside of the Washington sycophant establishment) as a complete piece of shit.
>except, unlike Trump, it's not retarded or pure entertainment.
the craziest part was that trump actually started to say a lot of reasonable things - aka showing his true colours (blue)
which very well may end up being his undoing because everyone is eventually going to find out that he is not actually a braindead republican like the rest of them - he just has a few right wing tier beliefs to go along with his liberal beliefs... i guess you could call him purple but hes really just being a pretend republican
the other crazy thing is how they make eachother look so fucking stupid that voting for a democrat seems like the only reasonable choice (however deluded they might be) - or kasch maybe since hes not nuts
and it was your job to prevent that
I feel kind of sorry for Jeb Bush. He seems like a nice guy, a fucking idiot, but a nice idiot. If I got more than one vote I'd throw him a pity vote, even if I am a devious shitlord liberal.
This is a key. Finally, you said that, not me :)
Westerners could have a conversation with nazis and japs. We are not, we are untermenschen and must be destroyed. How can I even see West as a friend, especially when you say such words?
It doesn't make me putin's fan though
stop spreading rumours he is not autistic
Bernie like all the other young people.
Wouldn't touch Shillary. If she ended up the official democratic candidate the I'd probably just vote Trump just to see how absurd shit can get. If nothing else he's good for laughs.
>I lost hundreds of friends
>The Republicans have an uphill climb to defeat Clinton
When she's rejected by her own base in favor of the senile welfare check-writer, what chance does she have getting Republican votes?
>starvinf instead of fighting
That's why we're greatest enemies, you guys know exactly how to piss us off.
No one cares about those places. Also shut the fuck up spic, humans are talking.
Build Wall lmao
But seriously, I'm not so hopeless idealistic that expect a lot of Bernie's plans to work or even get passed by Congress. Why vote for him then? I simply like what he says more than I like anything the other candidates say. Unlike a lot of other people though I ground my expectations in reality. You won't see a great deal of change in this country within the next four years regardless of who gets elected. Trump included. Sanders and Trump will both face massive resistance in Congress. Bernie will face opposition from Republicans and Trump will face opposition from Democrats and establishment Republicans. Anyone else will try to keep the status quo.
George Bush was not a conservative by any stretch; in 1965 he'd be a Democrat. He significantly ballooned domestic entitlement programs and also promoted things like TARP and No Child which are not small government conservatism by any definition.
>hurr durr muh war
>n-no one c-cares about those places.
what a faggot
why would it bother me that the average beckbeard american is an internet warmongering
America told russia not to invade both crimea and south ossetia, they did and you did not retaliate sorry this fact bothers you
That is true however Bush was president in a post-Reagan world. He had more choice in qualified conservative jurists to put on the court than Reagan did. Alito and Roberts were both guys who came up in the 80s during the Reagan Revolution and were more directly influenced by that era. For comparison Reagan was largely stuck with judges who were products of the Warren Court and mid-20th century liberalism.
And even then, Bush still retardedly thought he could appoint his personal legal secretary to the court.
Nobody ever gets completely what they want in a president, there's always a level of compromise. Reagan is still a conservative icon although he signed an amnesty for wetbacks and signed an assault weapons ban two things strict constitutional conservatives would oppose. FDR is still a liberal icon although he put the Japanese in internment camps and was not a fan of straight welfare or of organized labor.
Or the many leftists who think Obanana is a sellout because he failed to produce single payer health care, even though I'm very certain that's what he had planned.
I don't get it...I mean, I hate Jeb Bush, but how would Trump have prevented the world trade center coming down? How could George Bush had known? I disagree with the way he handled things, but no one could have foreseen the act of terror that was 9/11. Airport security would've been the same because the country had no reason to be on high alert until after the WTC coming down. Trump's just using buzzwords to get the crowd loud; why won't these people think?
It's a dumb thing; Republican suits claim they have to distance themselves from RR, especially when they like to claim it loses them Millenial voters because Millenials were not born/too young to remember him. But Democrats still openly embrace FDR as a symbol of the party though no modern Democrat was around in his time.
I agree, he shouldn't have accused Bush (who was in office all of 8 months at the time) of culpability in 9/11 when if anything, Clinton was the guy to blame because he'd had and failed the chance to capture Osama Bin Laden.
If you ask me, Trump is probably banking on the idea that the conservative base does not like GWB and consider him a RINO/sellout/whatever. Which we could split hairs on, but I still think it was rather poor judgement.
Clearly you know little of just how much the Beltway insiders will go out of the way to appoint their own. On the other side, the big Democrat donors will support Hillary until the heavens fall in although it's obvious BS is running away with their voter base.
It doesn't matter at this point. The people abandoned ¡Jeb! months ago, the fact he still refuses to accept that is a case of constant amusement to the entire country. I honestly don't know wtf he was thinking by running. Americans were never going to take kindly to an unabashed grab for dynasty.
Not that anon btw.
>letting other people into your country to steal your jobs
americucks will defend this
If you recall Bush's 2000 platform ("compassionate conservatism"), it was not one of small government. Compassionate conservatism was more like "Forget all those liberal strawmen that Republicans want to take away old people's SS and children's school lunches actually I love giving anyone and everyone under the sun freebies too." Bush eventually tried to justify the bank/auto bailouts by saying something like "I must destroy the free market in order to save the free market."
And while you can argue that Reagan was not at fault for the AWB or 86 amnesty because the Democrats controlled the House, that excuse does not work for Bush because his party had Congress six of his eight years during which time they sponsored numerous large-scale entitlement packages.
>Bush because his party had Congress six of his eight years during which time they sponsored numerous large-scale entitlement packages.
True. The problem was who those entitlement packages went to.
There's a reason people are pissed.
And Obongo is just as guilty.
Like you scum spreading your shit to other countries.
Sending spies and financing guerrillas,ultimately turning countries into shit
Fait enough. At least we can find common ground on anyone but Shillary.
I've been a Democrat all my life, but I will literally do anything to keep that demon out of office, even if I have to pass out rice crispy treats for Trump.
Consider the following.jpg
I think a large part of GWB's thinking comes from his religious background; the guy is a Methodist who believes almost naively in the fundamental goodness of mankind to the point where he had such sadly misguided ideas as thinking it was possible to turn shitskin savages in Iraq into liberalized Westerners who wear tight jeans, listen to rock music, and eat at Burger King.
Basically, the GOP tried to buy one voting block after another - Mexicans, soccer moms, old people, etc. All with huge handouts to each of those demographics. Though in all fairness the final apocalyptic disaster of the bailouts happened after the Democrats had Congress.
>turn shitskin savages in Iraq into liberalized Westerners who wear tight jeans, listen to rock music, and eat at Burger King
It's 2016, not 1985, dude. You mean yoga pants, wubstep, and Panera Bread.
I can't say for sure but I don't forget how they all jumped ship to Niggy in 2008. The only demographic that Hillary can relate to in a personal sense are old lonely lesbian cat women.
That isn't true though. The bailouts were passed during the waning months of the Bush Presidency.
Not that it matters of course, it was damn near unanimous and incumbent Congressmen and Senators never lose elections anymore anyway. Had the vote been delayed three months it would have ended up exactly the same.
Biggest misstep that Bush made? Something not well remembered now, specifically McCain-Feingold which was a bill deliberately designed to destroy the 1st Amendment. The kicker is that Bush actually said "I oppose M-F; it's blatantly unconstitutional." and then went and signed it into law anyway.
The USSC did eventually chip away at M-F, but it's quite disturbing to think the easy potential for liberal activist judges like Ruth Bader Ginsburg to be in charge of deciding that.
I don't think it's a fair comparison firstly because Reagan never had a Republican House his entire administration, but secondly Bush supported amnesty when he had the lesson of the 86 one to draw from. If anything, the 86 amnesty should have proven enough that that didn't work, but it didn't stop him from trying an idea already found to be a failure.
That's true, however you must also understand that Bush never saw himself as the gatekeeper of Congress as some presidents did, rather as a co-partner of them. He quite seldom vetoed anything that landed on his desk, although in his defense he did also veto some bills that would have been an awful disaster for the country.
George W. Bush in a sense was the moderate bipartisan president every talking head on the cable news pines for, yet complains when they actually get.
We both know why. And the fact that even happened in this country is so fucking far beyond unacceptable I want to vomit.
>vote for this neocon for your democratic nominee
>don't worry about it voter, we're openly patronizing you by putting the weight of the DMC behind her
>don't examine her 30 years of failure and criminality
>just vote for her
>because we unironically think you're stupid enough to vote for an establishment republican who gets to pass as a democrat because she at one point in life probably had a gash
Yeah. I mad.
Besides, the total illegal immigrant population in 1986 was about two million, significantly less than what it had become by the 2000s. Amnesty might have at that time been a more viable idea.
I opposed McCain-Feingold like any sane person would, yet there's a quite credible argument for "money =/= speech". I don't agree with it, but it's a credible POV similar to my disagreement that flag burning =/= free speech.
Having said that, I think yes it was a tremendously dumb and irresponsible action of Bush to sign into law a bill that he outright said was unconstitutional.
THe only one who offers real solutions to anything is actually Jeb, however weak he looks.
Of course the republicans, the most stupid of the already stupid Americans don't care about that. Hilarious.
For all his faults, it could have been worse than Bush. We could have had as president a literal traitor who threw away his Vietnam medals and marched in an antiwar protest with John Lennon.
And it was also profoundly unbecoming of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton as sitting Senators to accuse Bush of lying about Iraq's WMDs when both of them had previously said that Saddam Hussein had them, was going to use them, and was a danger to peace and stability in the region. Not to mention harmful to the war effort in Iraq which led to it dragging on longer and there being more deaths of US servicemen and Iraqi civilians that might have been avoided.
So yes, for all his faults, I'm forever grateful to whatever deity there is that Bush did get reelected instead of Lurch taking over the Oval Office.
Okay so what is Trump going to do different? He doesn't even offer any politics he just blabber about BS "hurr durr make america great again hurr durr hit the establishment hurr durr win again". I actually chekced out his positions on his website and it doesn't even make any sense, he doesn't know what he's doing it's like a meme.
But it's not my election so guess it doesn't matter to me, just sad seeing a once great country getting this destroyed. This is a result of what was started in the 80s by Reagan btw, whether you can see it or not.
A president has six core functions - negotiate treaties with other countries, commander-in-chief of the armed forces, appoint ambassadors, cabinet selection, appoint judges and the veto. Three of the six concern themselves largely with security/international affairs.
Bush appointed two very good constitutional conservatives to the USSC. That will go down as one of the better elements of his legacy. It would have been nice if he'd vetoed bills more often, though TBF the Republican Congress under Dennis Hastert was absolutely terrible and practically Democrat Lite.
Ah hush. You democrats dont get to complain since it's obvious you're going to win now, and for the next couple of elections.
This is essentially your country for the next decade or 2.
That's why I'm mad, and that's why I'm voting for Trump when Bernie gets Jewed out of the nomination in favor for a corrupt criminal. Which WILL happen btw.
There needs to be consequences for fucking over your party members, it's high time the DNC learned that.
His conduct as CnC will make of him one of America’s three legendary war-strategist presidents: Washington, Lincoln, and Bush 43.
Bush 41 failed the Iraqis, Reagan failed the Marines in Lebanon, Truman and Eisenhower failed the Koreans, too many people to count failed the Vietnamese, FDR failed Eastern Europe by condemning them to 45 years of Russian rape, and Wilson was in league with nations hostile to American interests.
War-strategist CnC makes him a steadfast patriot president—if that makes him a conservative, at least in that one endeavor, so be it.
Everything else, an unmitigated Leviathan interventionist disaster. His domestic policies should make him a hero of the leftists, but their hatred of his defense of American interests abroad using armed forces made them blind to his common cause with them.
Fitting for his administration’s end are his last words that will ring forever with infamy: “I have abandoned free market principles.”
But, the even worse infamy his domestic legacy will bear consists of his creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security and its agency the TSA. Having taken over our airports, it will soon unionize.
Once its own union formed, TSA will strike.
I just want to know how he plans to make Mexico pay for the fucking wall.
There's absolutely no way they will ever cave to that demand. I just don't understand how Trump plans to do it. Invade Mexico? Nuke Mexico? Is it really fucking worth it? An offensive that would needlessly cost lives and money and destroy any reputation we have in the international community?
I'm speculating of course but it's pretty sad that my speculation is more detailed than anything Trump has said on the matter. Any time he's pressed for more info it's always "I know a lot of really good people who I will bring in to work on this." That doesn't fucking answer anything!
>this is a convincing argument in America
I've seen your debates. It's just sad how stupid you people are at this point. Fat, lazy and degenerate no-good zombies. I think leadership reflects the people. In the 40s, 50s and 60s you were great people, so your leaders were also great. Look at FDR, do you think a leader like that could come in the 2010s? Can you find normal men with qualities like him?
I don't want to "win" if the candidate is a criminal neocon. That isn't a victory, that's a bait and switch.
I unironically think Trump is more economically progressive than Shillary.
>I'm voting for Trump
He's not going to win the primary. He is as much a meme candidate as Bernie. Even if he does win, he's built up so much ill will that most republicans will only vote for him just to try and stop Hillary, and all the independents and most democrats will vote Hiillary to stop Trump.
Truly a time to be alive, where the main candidates of both parties are hated by said parties, and equally corrupt and/or stupid.
Are we gonna make it liberal-bro? I'm a conservative, but this election has actually made me kinda scared for the future.
>He's not going to win the primary
Which? He already won the most inoortant one and has a ten point lead in the next, which is the primary that traditionally seals the nomination.
>literally has the sanest foreign policy, economic, immigration, and social views of any politician while still being down to earth and against special interests
>media hates him for "racism"
I don't want to live Canadians again, secession isn't an option.
There's no reason the US can't get it together though. All it will take is both parties getting shit in their mouths come November. The Americsn people are clearly no longer buying the bullshit the centrists are selling.
Most of these people don't care about that. Bush knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. But Haliburton needed profits. F35 is a disaster, and they try to replace A-10 with it. After the New Deal reforms there were no financial crises. There were jobs and growing incomes.
At some point the Roman empire had paper legions. They were paid wages which were pocketed by senators. When a hegemon gets corrupted, its elites stop giving a fuck about anything except how to extract money and power for themselves.
David Harvey was once speaking to some investment bankers at Wall Street and mentioned that there is a very real possibility that the US will become a failed state. Their answer was: "So you think we should get villas in France?"
I am currently reading The Making of the President, 1960 by White and Jesus Christ, what the fuck happened to you, America? You guys had horribly tough primaries because there were that many great politicians. Now it's more about who will do the least damage.
>Bush knew there were no WMDs in Iraq.
How did they know?
Except I think his supporters like his policies. They don't like blacks or hispanics and they want a president who just extracts resources from them and gives them to minorities, meaning Hillary, but they also want higher wages and spend government money on roads rather than wars. I think quite a few of them would hold their noses, due all those blacks, and vote Bernie rather than some cuckservative.
>After the New Deal reforms there were no financial crises. There were jobs and growing incomes.
There was a financial crisis in 37-38 and the 50s was peppered with recessions, fucking kill yourself.
Free shit is best
>who just extracts resources from them and gives them to minorities, meaning Hillary
you mean Bernie
Blacks still like the Clintons but not as much now despite Bill Clinton's policies not helping them.
how do non-americans not want trump? Imagine all the memes and funposting.
>implying your day to day life will be any different regardless of who is president
It's the congress that actually matters. The presidency is for fun.
>The New Deal was a series of domestic programs enacted in the United States between 1933 and 1938
New Deal failed because it did not reach back in time to prevent a financial crisis
>7 years into the new deal
>this means the new deal was working
>let me post an image which has easily debunked implications that have nothing to do with my retarded position
Shouldn't expect much from Bernie fans desu
>We could have had as president a literal traitor who threw away his Vietnam medals and marched in an antiwar protest with John Lennon.
Don't see how this makes him a traitor. Bush literally went awol.
Watching the American elections is like watching Big Brother or something.
This shit is crazy.