75% of Dutch say NO to Ukraine in EU

>>53348605
WHAT DOES IT MEAN? ARE WE MEMES NOW?

>>53348605
EU shouldn't enlarge BUT Ukranians should have some shitty treaties, they are literally shooting bullets at Russkies

>>53348635
ukraine is now open for liberation

What's wrong with having them in the EU?

more power to people who don't want arab subhumans and africans

>>53348635

Russia won Ukraine

>>53348717

t. Ukraine butthurt diaspora

>>53348605
What about the qts?

What the hell

Holland is full of arabs and africans and indians but they don't want Ukraine to be a part of the EU?

>>53348605
Referendum isn't about Ukrainian EU membership Pekka.

I guess our immigrants memed the pussy Dutch too hard with our untermenschness.

>want to have a buttsex and smoke weed in peace but suddenly a Slav comes and steal your car

kek

>>53348712
>>53348772
SHIIIIIIET GONNA FIND SOM UKRAINE GRILL
WE WUZ PROTO RUS AND SHIETZ

It's going to be held on 6 April

>>53348834
It sort of is. It's about a treaty that prepares for it.

>>53348717
EU is trying very hard to keep expanding and expanding. Every Eurocrat wants to have his/her own little project to masturbate over, no matter the consequences.

It's now Ukraine, next up is Turkey.

Imagine that for a moment, Turkey is bordering Syria, Iraq and Iran.

Any mudslime with one foot into Turkey will be set for life and they'll come in hordes.

The Netherlands and I believe France both stopped the European constitution, but they shoe-horned it in anyway and just gave it another name.

desu alot of people vote nein as a fuck you to eu

I wonder how our vote later this year will affect the British referendum. Especially when the EU ignores it.

>>53348834
Yes it is, it's a step towards EU membership.

We're now literally going to give Ukraine a bunch of shit, that in no way will benefit us just because we feel sad. That exact type of thinking got us flooded with kebabs and nigs

>homophobes in the EU

REEEEEEEEEE FUCK OFF UKRAINE

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>>53348963
No it isn't. The EU has association agreements with pic related. Is Chile going to join the EU soon? Did Syria join the EU after signing their treaty in the 70's? Is Morocco going to join the EU?

>>53348831

Ukraine is full of criminal scum with AIDS. Nobody wants them here.

>pro-Russian seperatists shoot down a plane full of the Dutch
>the Dutch tank the EU association treaty with the Ukraine
Lmao, you can't get more cucked than this

This isn't about being in the EU, it's about the Association Agreement.
It's already been ratified by pretty much everyone, including Netherlands, referendum aside.
Moreover, this wasn't the referendum; this was a survey taken beforehand.

>>53349184
Biggest opponent of this treaty is the PVV who are on a Russian/Jewish bankroll.

>>53349124
Dont be so naive. The EU has been eyeing Ukraine for years, which is why Russia invaded it in the first place.

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>>53349237
>Biggest opponent of this treaty is the PVV who are on a Russian/Jewish bankroll.

>>53349186

NO

>Kiev’s association agreement with the bloc provisionally came into effect on January 1. In order to become permanent, the document has to be ratified by all EU’s 28 member states.

>>53349034
what vote?

>>53348605
Fuck Ukraine, only we are allowed to take euromonies.

>>53349237
What a stupid petty country
Doing shit like this out of spite

Against your own interest and for the benefit of your enemies

No words

Spain wants go out of EU with podemos.

We can it

>>53349250
No shit the EU wants control of the entire continent but the simple fact is that a treaty like this is not a free ticket into the EU. There wasn't even any news on this treaty until Yanukovych pulled out and Putin started meddling in Ukraine.

>>53349155
They ARE fighting the ryssäs, and Western Ukranians are not anything like ryssäs since they were always under either Polan-Lithuanian or Austro-Hungarian rule. The end-game is that whether or not they will defeat the commies.

Meh, I would support Ukraine getting closer to the EU

>>53349353
No. Fuck off sausages

Russia should take back the Ukraine tbhh

>>53349290
With spanish deuda i pay your fckng country

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Укpaинa

Mop лaйк Гoвнopyинa eмaйpaйт хeхeхe

>>53349383
Fuck you. We can't abandon them to Ivan

>>53349264
And it was ratified by everyone. Several months ago.
The referendum, whatever the answer, is non-binding.

>>53349329
But if the treaty fails you cant sell Ukraine joining the EU to the people as a politician.

Independent Ukraine would be nice, but they're a proxy bouncing between US and Russia.

>>53349388
They should take the Netherlands

I suspect those faggots would gladly let them

>>53349416
they literally are ivans though. the """ukranians""" that aren't are potatofarmer eastern polish tier.

>>53349445
Netherlands has good bonds with Russia.
I would rather have Russia on our side.

>>53349445
But we are NATO :^)

>>53349080
You just imported a million homophobes in like 3 months. Ukrainian ones wouldn't even show up in your train station on New Years.

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>>53349260
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/22719573/__Wilders_temt_PVV-kritiek_Rusland__.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders#Wilders_and_Israel

>>53349436
You can because a treaty like this means nothing when it comes to joining the EU.

>>53349416

The Ukrainians will be much better off with Russia than with you, even though it will take them a little more time to realize it.

Nothing good ever came from the West.

>>53349416
Ukrainians are not even better than Russians. They are all shitty people and countries. If they actually improve as human beings I would not mind but until that happens I will be against it.

>>53349445
We're the biggest importer of Russian goods and one of their biggest investors. MH17 just was a bit too much. But normally we arent on bad terms.

>>53349569
>Bulgaria

>>53349069
It's literally a trade agreement that will make us millions you inbred nazi

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>>53349498
Eastern Polish tier =/= Ivan

>>53349569
>Bulgaria
Well memed my friend

>>53349603
The area around Kiev has been its own thing for a long time. They're not Russians.

>>53349531
Russia is not and will never be on anyone's side

Their influnce is like a poison spreading death and corruption

My country would've ended up like the Ukraine had we picked good relations with Russia over the West

>>53349435

NO idiot! The vote was a NO to ratification. The next vote will also be a NO. Everyone is sick of the EU.

>Juncker: Dutch Ukraine vote could spark 'continental crisis'

>"I don't believe the Dutch will say no, because it would open the door to a big continental crisis," he added. "Russia would pluck the fruits of an easy victory."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dutch-ukraine-vote-idUSKCN0UN0HR20160109

>>53349722
>a shithole in a civil war will make us millions

>>53349669

Yes, I speak from experience.

We have lived through all the jumping on public squares in name of "euroatlantic values" and look what it has brought us.

25% population reduction in 25 years of peace

We have never been more cucked, exploited and demolished as a country, except maybe under the Ottomans, whom of course you also supported.

>>53349769
What is wrong with you? They have to trade with someone. But you prefer that other shithole called Russia, right?

>>53349781
>Bulgaria

>>53349722
And when they join the EU it will cost us millions.

Not every agreement is mutually beneficial. Countries bordering Ukraine may earn money, but that doesn't mean WE do.

>>53349620
Ignoring that that is factually incorrect it would mean Russia needs us and we don't need them. Belgium and the Netherlands together have more economic power than all of Russia, no joke. Two countries of 28 million people who are 0.4% the size of Russia have a higher GDP than Russian.

>>53349781
All those Bulgarians living in western countries sure seem to like it here better than in Bulgaria.

Weird.

>>53349865
You know all assets of gazprom are located in the Netherlands. Russia needs us.

>>53349769
While it is a shithole, it contains all the necessary natural resources. If Hitler had listened to Rosenberg more, right now, Ukraine would be the outpost of wrecking all Russkies.

>>53349765
>NO idiot! The vote was a NO to ratification
If the Dutch government so chooses, it can ignore said referendum. Especially because the government already ratified the treaty.
The referendum (which hasn't happened yet) is a measure of public support, not a plebiscite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement_referendum,_2016

>The referendum will be suspensory and >>non-binding<<, which means that the law's provisions on entry into force are suspended at least until the referendum was held. If the Approval Act is rejected, the States General has to enact a follow-up law to either repeal the Act or put it into effect after all.

>>53350010
>non-binding referendum

What is the fucking point of that? Bloody Dutch

Glorious benefits of allying with the west:

- you will enjoy faggotry, niggers, lesbian butch marxists, etc in ever increasing quantities

- you will have your nation demolished by cultural marxism

- you will have your country's resources privatized and stolen by foreign corporations who will also own your government

- you will find the very idea of sovereignty offensive and dangerous

- people like this faggot over here
>>53349954
will tell you how we should be grateful that they have also robbed us of our human resources while our country was plundered.


The Russians may not be perfect, but at least they are human. Anglos and germanics have no souls.

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>>53350081
>this entire post

>>53350079
Our elections are in 2017 and the Eurosceptics are winning.

They can ignore the referendum.. after the crisis with Greece and Germany.

>>53349974
most resources are in the east including crimea which is a major tourist destination. western ukraine has nothing. google it.

>>53350081
>Bulgaria

>>53350081
Ask the Ukraine about "benefits" of allying yourself with Russia

It's the poorest fucking country in Europe

I'd love to hear your delusional yapping about "cultural" marxism when you can't afford food

Fuck right off to >>>/pol/

>>53349967
Russia needing us is not the same as us needing Russia. When you go to the store and the clerk says "Hey, faggot! I know you are my biggest customer and provide me with the most money but I saw you visiting the store next door and if you keep doing that I won't sell you anything!". You're not going to agree with him, because you have the upper hand. He wants your money and you're not obligated to spend it at his store.

>>53350283
True.

>>53350169
Eurosceptics winning means nothing in this country when no single party has ever ruled by themselves and they need support from others. Unless the PVV gets 51% of the vote they won't ever rule.

>>53350195
Well yeah, Western Ukranians are the only Ukranians. There is literally no difference from Russians. And that's what Putin says!

>>53350169
But why would you hold a referendum that can just be ignored

It's bizarre. It makes no sense. Not only is that insulting to the voting public (what's your opinion lads - nahh who cares bruv), but do you know how expensive it is to hold a referendum? Hint: it's not cheap. So what is the point.

I bet this is the result of some stupid petition, you must have some system where a petition that breaks a threshold triggers a referendum. Which is really dumb

Daily reminder that the Netherlands is going to destroy Russia in 2020.

http://www.shell.com/media/news-and-media-releases/2015/shell-to-install-nationwide-network-hydrogen-vehicle-fuelling-pumps-germany.html

ITT swamp merchants discussing shekel profits.

>>53350362
In 2023 to be more specific.

>>53350272

It's the poorest country now, 25 years after the ebil russians left.

And it has become progressively more poor after aligning with the Cuckropean Union.

>I'd love to hear your delusional yapping about "cultural" marxism when you can't afford food

so being a marxist is the only way to afford food, huh

fuck off to reddit, you communist faggot

>>53350344
Ours aren't legally binding either, but it'd be very hard for the Government to ignore one.

>>53349352
Aren't Ukrainians basically a meme country/cultural group like Belgians? Why don't they just split the damned country, everyone will be happy, just like here.
>cancerous walloonia goes to france
>rich flanders goes to holland
>that one german part goes to germany
>brussels stays on it's own because it's the seat of the EU and NATO

>>53350434
Yes they are legally binding

>>53350343
EU will be so happy to accept a country with no resources. nice, another parasite with denbts. when you'll meet those "not russians" you'll see that they are the same people you are crying about all the fucking time. enjoy your bydlos.

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>cuckropeans

Do you even do anything besides watching on the sidelines while Ahmed inserts his hands in the pants of your women?

>>53350362
>Russians destroy an airplane
>Netherlands destroys the Russian economy
ayyy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B6FkBqkZ1g

>>53350443
Ukrainians are like the Belgians during the Dutch rule except with more genocide.

>>53350443
While splitting the country is a great idea, the Russians are newcomers and if you control Ukraine, you will be able to take down Russia

>Russia kept saying they didn't want Georgia and Ukraine in NATO
>they obviously wouldn't want Ukraine in EU
>keep antagonizing Russia (e.g. the US funding democratization projects there since its independence) even though they've been very open about being against all these things

>get surprised when Russia chimps out

>2008 invasion of georgia
>involvement in ukrainian civil war

The real question is: Do we (Eurofags) just do what we want regardless of what Russia wants or do we at least take into account that they implied they will fuck Ukraine's shit up as hard as they can if Ukraine joins NATO/EU/if there's more Western influence there?

>>53350623
Russians aren't in charge of their neighbouring countries.

Awesome! I'll smoke some pot in honour of you if you do this, and design the next house I draw with ridiculously narrow and steep stairs and even tape 2-by-4's onto my feet and let my downstairs neighbors enjoy the Dutch culture first hand.

>>53350623
Russia's opinions should have been taken into consideration but they shouldn't invade countries when they don't get what they want. If Russia then makes an enemy out of the EU/NATO their opinions should hold as much sway as those of India and China.

>>53350482
Prove it then you monumental gaylord. Find one scrap of evidence saying referendums in the UK are legally binding.

>>53350424
They've given up nukes in exchange for great powers, including Russia, guaranteeing their territorial integrity

They were in the CIS and have had closer ties with Russia than the West

That's got them fuck all

What other kind of development is there, you balkan trash nazi?

Don't dare posting those retarded diagrams from /pol/ about your hallucinations

>>53350623
Ukraine is called the Gateway to Europe for a reason. If Ukraine has to be influence by Russia or us, we would really rather it be us. Why do you think everyone's been fighting over Ukraine since forever. North you have the forest, South you have the sea. Running through East to West you have the open Steppe. Giving this to an aggressive power is a *bad idea*

>>53350604
>if you control Ukraine, you will be able to take down Russia
lolwut

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>>53350750
Maybe later, I'm busy right now

>>53350663
>>53350736
>>53350785
I think at this point we should recognize that Russia operates in a fairly predictable manner and that we should 'know better' than to provoke the Russian bear.

I have to agree with Mearsheimers points here: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault

If Ukraine was as strategically important to NATO/EU as it is to Russia, there would be NATO troops there from the get-go.

So why do we even bother with all this shit? Let Russia have Ukraine. They won't stop chimping out until they do.

>>53350792
Your western border is all flat lands with no natural protection. Russia's expansion policy during the early modern period was to get buffers around the main Russian territories. Ukraine/Belarus/Baltics/Poland in the west, Caucasus/Central Asia in the south and Siberia in the East. The loss of their buffers after the Cold War and now the possible loss of Belarus and Ukraine has made Russia feel uneasy.

>>53350900
Cheeky kunt knows he's been rumbled.

>>53350909
I don't think Poland is waiting for a Russian neighbour.

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>>53350909
>we should 'know better' than to provoke the Russian bear.
You should know better than to be a fucking pussy

>>53350921
Ukraine and Belarus have no "natural" borders with West.

>>53350909
The Russian bear which has a smaller economy than 5 EU states.

>>53350984
I actually am quite a pussy when it comes to this. The whole Ukraine conflict could have been avoided and prevented. Every death is absolutely unnecessary. Breaks my heart.

>>53350984
>says the country where they bin knifes
bin that knife limey while I bin my benin into your moms pussy.

>>53351073
Guys, stop the war in Ukraine. It's breaking this guys heart.

>>53350909
>appeasing the weak shit Russian chimps

Russia delenda est.

>>53351015
That's what I said. Ukraine and Belarus were integrated into Russia so that any foreign invader would be exhausted and hammered before reaching the Russian mainland i.e. Napoleon, WWI, WWII.

>>53351101
This is proxy Estonian obviously.

>>53350984
If Russia loses Ukraine it will be forever delegated to being just a regional power, exactly as Obama said

I don't know why should we put the gloves on now, when Russia is on its knees. They are overstretching exactly like in the 80s. You all know what came out of it

>>53350261
why does america have a reputation of fucking countries over?
rarely do we ever abandon our allies and we provide defense for a lot of weaker countries.

as long as you country isn't in the ME you have nothing to fear about the us.

>>53350909
This guy here, the link I provided was shit. Here you can read the whole article (interesting read): http://johnmearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/Ukraine%20Article%20in%20Foreign%20Affairs.pdf

>>53351101
What was the reason EU/NATO wanted to expand to Ukraine? They've always been a terrible country that would offer no benefit to the EU when they joined. At worst it would (and has) severely pissed off Russia.

So yes, it breaks my heart that this shit happened for no fucking reason other than the cold war that never seems to end.

>>53351104
>be ireland
>refuse to go to war

>>53349260
It's a known fact Russia supports far right parties in Europe.

>>53351171
You literally gave Indonesia away after we lost it in a war against Japan over the attack on Pearl Harbor.

>>53351216
It's entertaining how they're calling anyone opposing them fascists

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>>53351015
Laurens is referring to the Steppe. Most of Ukraine is a big, flat corridor connecting Europe to Asia. If you're at either end, it's something you want to control. Source: literally the entire history of Ukraine

>>53351095
Bring it Ivan. Meet me at Waterloo station, bitchtits. I'll fucking glass you.

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>It's a known fact Russia supports far right parties in Europe.

>>53350623
>2008 invasion of georgia
1990 those areas declared independence from Georgia
Georgia says no
Little scuffle over it that ends in uneasy Russian mediated truce
Areas de facto independent ever since
2003 US installs its puppet Georgian president via a colour revolution; first thing done in office is to promise to "unite his country"
Epic fail on his "diplomatic" attempt at this
He kicks off the 2008 war with a war crime ordering an indiscriminate Grad missile barrage against a sleeping city thinking NATO has his back
>"2008 Russian aggression against Georgia"

>>53351295
Tbh, I remember Wilders was invited by Russia to watch over the referendum in Ukraine. Just like all other Eurosceptic parties.

>>53351295
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/556ed172-d0b9-11e4-982a-00144feab7de.html

>>53351266
I rather glass your moms pussy lmao

Ukranians and Russians are the same thing.
It's a good thing they don't realize that and kill each other over their supposed 'differences'.
The fewer slavs on this planet the better.

>>53351348
He has been on RT several times and sent out emails when one of his party members was a bit critical of Russia in 2014.

its not like when europeans look at the "fruits" of liberalism they tend to switch sides. but yeah it was Putin's plan all along.

>>53348976
Dont worry mudslimes known if they come in huge numbers they will overwhelm the european boarders and they all be let it. Letting 700k in last year will just encourage 3million this year.

>>53351154
Yeah true. But their biggest problem is the terrible political system which is holding them back. If I was Russian, I'd swap a third of my territory to replace the abortion they have currently with a function parliamentary democracy

>>53351422
If I was Russian I'd trade the entire country for a house in New Zealand.

>>53351378
t. crypto-slav

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>>53351365
Kek
Come at me bruv

>>53351422
Their whole society is fucked up

Yo can't blame it all on poor oppressed ordinary Russians

Look at Putin's approval ratings

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>Shtscins are welcome to come and rape their women
>Ukrainians are not welcome to join their trade union

>>53350081
>- you will have your country's resources privatized and stolen by foreign corporations who will also own your government

This already happened in Ukraine

>>53351495
Slavs are just one step above Moroccans here desu.

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>>53351490
To be fair, it's a result of Russia's tragic history. They've had a really tough time so it's unsurprising what exists now is a mess.

In the final analysis, of course, it's all Germany's fault. Remember who sent Lenin into Russia...

>>53351154
>They are overstretching exactly like in the 80s. You all know what came out of it
ya but they will just try all this shit again in 30 years
russians never learn

>>53351533
>Times when slavs committed rapes, robberies, riots, terrorist attacks
>0

this thread breaks my heart :c
oh, wait, we, Russians, have no hearts

>>53351533
you do know slavs include all slavic people right?

>>53351113
Why don't you think that Europe wants to protect itself from Russians (and further asians and arabs) by capturing West slavs?

>>53350434
u sure about that m8?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Agreement_%282012%29

>>53351737
Europe doesn't want to protect itself from Russia, Russia wants to protect itself from Europe because it fears isolation.

>>53348717
They are a poor shithole which has worse living conditions than many parts of Africa?

>>53351661
We have problems with east european skimmers, burglars, car thieves, drunk drivers, pick pockets.

Crimes other groups in society don't commit here very often.

>>53351773
Teachers at school told you that? Russia wants to be isolated cuz it fears isolation what!

>>53351783
So was Poland though. A few decades ago Grzegorz couldn't use a toilet, now he is cleaning toilets for a respectable wage

Ukraine would improve in the EU

>>53351878
t. Polish diaspora

Fuckoff back home Janusz.

>>53351266
>it's something you want to control.

W-who is that 'you', anon? The ukrainian people, m-maybe?

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>>53351902
*szczszczszczszczszcz*

>>53351772
Where does that say they are legally binding?

>>53351845

The russian soul is mysterious and often contradictory. Don't be afraid of embracing your fears, Igor.

>>53351941
>W-who is that 'you', anon?
A country or union of countries that is powerful enough to control it

>The ukrainian people, m-maybe?
Ukraine itself, as we've learnt, is a corridor connecting the West and East. Hence very difficult to defend without allies. Ukraine is one of those countries which, because of its geography, is likely to associate itself with more powerful countries for its own survival.

Historically they've been cut up and shared quite often. It was usually Poland or Lithuania in the west, and you had Muscovites from the east. The Ottomans had a slice of it for a while, too.