75% of voters in the Netherlands said they were against the ratification of the European Union’s association agreement with Kiev
EU is trying very hard to keep expanding and expanding. Every Eurocrat wants to have his/her own little project to masturbate over, no matter the consequences.
It's now Ukraine, next up is Turkey.
Imagine that for a moment, Turkey is bordering Syria, Iraq and Iran.
Any mudslime with one foot into Turkey will be set for life and they'll come in hordes.
The Netherlands and I believe France both stopped the European constitution, but they shoe-horned it in anyway and just gave it another name.
Yes it is, it's a step towards EU membership.
We're now literally going to give Ukraine a bunch of shit, that in no way will benefit us just because we feel sad. That exact type of thinking got us flooded with kebabs and nigs
No it isn't. The EU has association agreements with pic related. Is Chile going to join the EU soon? Did Syria join the EU after signing their treaty in the 70's? Is Morocco going to join the EU?
This isn't about being in the EU, it's about the Association Agreement.
It's already been ratified by pretty much everyone, including Netherlands, referendum aside.
Moreover, this wasn't the referendum; this was a survey taken beforehand.
>Biggest opponent of this treaty is the PVV who are on a Russian/Jewish bankroll.
>Kiev’s association agreement with the bloc provisionally came into effect on January 1. In order to become permanent, the document has to be ratified by all EU’s 28 member states.
No shit the EU wants control of the entire continent but the simple fact is that a treaty like this is not a free ticket into the EU. There wasn't even any news on this treaty until Yanukovych pulled out and Putin started meddling in Ukraine.
They ARE fighting the ryssäs, and Western Ukranians are not anything like ryssäs since they were always under either Polan-Lithuanian or Austro-Hungarian rule. The end-game is that whether or not they will defeat the commies.
You can because a treaty like this means nothing when it comes to joining the EU.
Ukrainians are not even better than Russians. They are all shitty people and countries. If they actually improve as human beings I would not mind but until that happens I will be against it.
Eastern Polish tier =/= Ivan
Well memed my friend
The area around Kiev has been its own thing for a long time. They're not Russians.
Russia is not and will never be on anyone's side
Their influnce is like a poison spreading death and corruption
My country would've ended up like the Ukraine had we picked good relations with Russia over the West
NO idiot! The vote was a NO to ratification. The next vote will also be a NO. Everyone is sick of the EU.
>Juncker: Dutch Ukraine vote could spark 'continental crisis'
>"I don't believe the Dutch will say no, because it would open the door to a big continental crisis," he added. "Russia would pluck the fruits of an easy victory."
Yes, I speak from experience.
We have lived through all the jumping on public squares in name of "euroatlantic values" and look what it has brought us.
25% population reduction in 25 years of peace
We have never been more cucked, exploited and demolished as a country, except maybe under the Ottomans, whom of course you also supported.
Ignoring that that is factually incorrect it would mean Russia needs us and we don't need them. Belgium and the Netherlands together have more economic power than all of Russia, no joke. Two countries of 28 million people who are 0.4% the size of Russia have a higher GDP than Russian.
While it is a shithole, it contains all the necessary natural resources. If Hitler had listened to Rosenberg more, right now, Ukraine would be the outpost of wrecking all Russkies.
>NO idiot! The vote was a NO to ratification
If the Dutch government so chooses, it can ignore said referendum. Especially because the government already ratified the treaty.
The referendum (which hasn't happened yet) is a measure of public support, not a plebiscite.
>The referendum will be suspensory and >>non-binding<<, which means that the law's provisions on entry into force are suspended at least until the referendum was held. If the Approval Act is rejected, the States General has to enact a follow-up law to either repeal the Act or put it into effect after all.
Glorious benefits of allying with the west:
- you will enjoy faggotry, niggers, lesbian butch marxists, etc in ever increasing quantities
- you will have your nation demolished by cultural marxism
- you will have your country's resources privatized and stolen by foreign corporations who will also own your government
- you will find the very idea of sovereignty offensive and dangerous
- people like this faggot over here
will tell you how we should be grateful that they have also robbed us of our human resources while our country was plundered.
The Russians may not be perfect, but at least they are human. Anglos and germanics have no souls.
Ask the Ukraine about "benefits" of allying yourself with Russia
It's the poorest fucking country in Europe
I'd love to hear your delusional yapping about "cultural" marxism when you can't afford food
Fuck right off to >>>/pol/
Russia needing us is not the same as us needing Russia. When you go to the store and the clerk says "Hey, faggot! I know you are my biggest customer and provide me with the most money but I saw you visiting the store next door and if you keep doing that I won't sell you anything!". You're not going to agree with him, because you have the upper hand. He wants your money and you're not obligated to spend it at his store.
Eurosceptics winning means nothing in this country when no single party has ever ruled by themselves and they need support from others. Unless the PVV gets 51% of the vote they won't ever rule.
But why would you hold a referendum that can just be ignored
It's bizarre. It makes no sense. Not only is that insulting to the voting public (what's your opinion lads - nahh who cares bruv), but do you know how expensive it is to hold a referendum? Hint: it's not cheap. So what is the point.
I bet this is the result of some stupid petition, you must have some system where a petition that breaks a threshold triggers a referendum. Which is really dumb
Daily reminder that the Netherlands is going to destroy Russia in 2020.
It's the poorest country now, 25 years after the ebil russians left.
And it has become progressively more poor after aligning with the Cuckropean Union.
>I'd love to hear your delusional yapping about "cultural" marxism when you can't afford food
so being a marxist is the only way to afford food, huh
fuck off to reddit, you communist faggot
Aren't Ukrainians basically a meme country/cultural group like Belgians? Why don't they just split the damned country, everyone will be happy, just like here.
>cancerous walloonia goes to france
>rich flanders goes to holland
>that one german part goes to germany
>brussels stays on it's own because it's the seat of the EU and NATO
EU will be so happy to accept a country with no resources. nice, another parasite with denbts. when you'll meet those "not russians" you'll see that they are the same people you are crying about all the fucking time. enjoy your bydlos.
Do you even do anything besides watching on the sidelines while Ahmed inserts his hands in the pants of your women?
>Russia kept saying they didn't want Georgia and Ukraine in NATO
>they obviously wouldn't want Ukraine in EU
>keep antagonizing Russia (e.g. the US funding democratization projects there since its independence) even though they've been very open about being against all these things
>get surprised when Russia chimps out
>2008 invasion of georgia
>involvement in ukrainian civil war
The real question is: Do we (Eurofags) just do what we want regardless of what Russia wants or do we at least take into account that they implied they will fuck Ukraine's shit up as hard as they can if Ukraine joins NATO/EU/if there's more Western influence there?
Awesome! I'll smoke some pot in honour of you if you do this, and design the next house I draw with ridiculously narrow and steep stairs and even tape 2-by-4's onto my feet and let my downstairs neighbors enjoy the Dutch culture first hand.
Russia's opinions should have been taken into consideration but they shouldn't invade countries when they don't get what they want. If Russia then makes an enemy out of the EU/NATO their opinions should hold as much sway as those of India and China.
They've given up nukes in exchange for great powers, including Russia, guaranteeing their territorial integrity
They were in the CIS and have had closer ties with Russia than the West
That's got them fuck all
What other kind of development is there, you balkan trash nazi?
Don't dare posting those retarded diagrams from /pol/ about your hallucinations
Ukraine is called the Gateway to Europe for a reason. If Ukraine has to be influence by Russia or us, we would really rather it be us. Why do you think everyone's been fighting over Ukraine since forever. North you have the forest, South you have the sea. Running through East to West you have the open Steppe. Giving this to an aggressive power is a *bad idea*
I think at this point we should recognize that Russia operates in a fairly predictable manner and that we should 'know better' than to provoke the Russian bear.
I have to agree with Mearsheimers points here: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault
If Ukraine was as strategically important to NATO/EU as it is to Russia, there would be NATO troops there from the get-go.
So why do we even bother with all this shit? Let Russia have Ukraine. They won't stop chimping out until they do.
Your western border is all flat lands with no natural protection. Russia's expansion policy during the early modern period was to get buffers around the main Russian territories. Ukraine/Belarus/Baltics/Poland in the west, Caucasus/Central Asia in the south and Siberia in the East. The loss of their buffers after the Cold War and now the possible loss of Belarus and Ukraine has made Russia feel uneasy.
>we should 'know better' than to provoke the Russian bear.
You should know better than to be a fucking pussy
That's what I said. Ukraine and Belarus were integrated into Russia so that any foreign invader would be exhausted and hammered before reaching the Russian mainland i.e. Napoleon, WWI, WWII.
If Russia loses Ukraine it will be forever delegated to being just a regional power, exactly as Obama said
I don't know why should we put the gloves on now, when Russia is on its knees. They are overstretching exactly like in the 80s. You all know what came out of it
why does america have a reputation of fucking countries over?
rarely do we ever abandon our allies and we provide defense for a lot of weaker countries.
as long as you country isn't in the ME you have nothing to fear about the us.
This guy here, the link I provided was shit. Here you can read the whole article (interesting read): http://johnmearsheimer.uchicago.edu/pdfs/Ukraine%20Article%20in%20Foreign%20Affairs.pdf
What was the reason EU/NATO wanted to expand to Ukraine? They've always been a terrible country that would offer no benefit to the EU when they joined. At worst it would (and has) severely pissed off Russia.
So yes, it breaks my heart that this shit happened for no fucking reason other than the cold war that never seems to end.
Laurens is referring to the Steppe. Most of Ukraine is a big, flat corridor connecting Europe to Asia. If you're at either end, it's something you want to control. Source: literally the entire history of Ukraine
Bring it Ivan. Meet me at Waterloo station, bitchtits. I'll fucking glass you.
>It's a known fact Russia supports far right parties in Europe.
>2008 invasion of georgia
1990 those areas declared independence from Georgia
Georgia says no
Little scuffle over it that ends in uneasy Russian mediated truce
Areas de facto independent ever since
2003 US installs its puppet Georgian president via a colour revolution; first thing done in office is to promise to "unite his country"
Epic fail on his "diplomatic" attempt at this
He kicks off the 2008 war with a war crime ordering an indiscriminate Grad missile barrage against a sleeping city thinking NATO has his back
>"2008 Russian aggression against Georgia"
Dont worry mudslimes known if they come in huge numbers they will overwhelm the european boarders and they all be let it. Letting 700k in last year will just encourage 3million this year.
Yeah true. But their biggest problem is the terrible political system which is holding them back. If I was Russian, I'd swap a third of my territory to replace the abortion they have currently with a function parliamentary democracy
>Shtscins are welcome to come and rape their women
>Ukrainians are not welcome to join their trade union
To be fair, it's a result of Russia's tragic history. They've had a really tough time so it's unsurprising what exists now is a mess.
In the final analysis, of course, it's all Germany's fault. Remember who sent Lenin into Russia...
>W-who is that 'you', anon?
A country or union of countries that is powerful enough to control it
>The ukrainian people, m-maybe?
Ukraine itself, as we've learnt, is a corridor connecting the West and East. Hence very difficult to defend without allies. Ukraine is one of those countries which, because of its geography, is likely to associate itself with more powerful countries for its own survival.
Historically they've been cut up and shared quite often. It was usually Poland or Lithuania in the west, and you had Muscovites from the east. The Ottomans had a slice of it for a while, too.