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Hey guys, I'm moving to Ukraine in March. I'll be going to either Lviv or Odesa, can't really choose which one. I'll be teaching english part time, plus I've got savings so money won't be that much of an issue, though I would like to live frugally.

Can you guys tell me about both cities so I can decide? I've read the wikipedia and wikitravel on both cities, so I'm looking for more insider information, what it's like living there, etc. Also, any rental websites where they don't treat you like a fucking tourist? I speak basic russian, hoping to learn some more once I get there.

Thanks!
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>>53180743

Move to visit Kryvyi Rih so you can teach Lera. But be warned. It's a coal mining town and the air quality isn't always the best.
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Lwów
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>>53180743
Odessa is the best city in Ukraine. Literally a miracle of the Universe if you don't mind specific culture with a strong Jewish scent.
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>>53180743
Choose Odessa, not Lwów.
Also, this stuff needs to be on /trv/
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>>53181128

So pure. So perfect.
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Go to Odessa, it borders the sea, always better than a city in the lands.
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>>53180743
Dad lives in Odessa, wouldn't recommend moving there at all. The city square is nice but the majority of everything else is a total undeveloped shithole with drug addicts, hookers, and drunks walking around everywhere. Also now with the war the inflation is some of the highest in the world and family that recently visited say you have to be rich just to buy decent food now. Not sure why you would want to move there right now of all times.
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Bump for this crazy fuck
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>>53182039
>total undeveloped shithole
Nah, you don't have soul.
>drug addicts, hookers, and drunks walking around everywhere
So, like any port town in the world?
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> tfw you can't post anything beside a fucking frog ,because never travel outside of fucking east,or rent a house by internet.
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>>53182335
A Russian would think Ukraine is "developed"
Yes the city center is beautiful but cmon you have to be retarded to think its developed. And no port city I've ever been was that bad. I saw nothing but alcoholic and strung out zombies. Ukraine is a total shithole and I'm half none Jew Ukrainian and been there plenty of times so don't act like anything I'm saying isn't true.
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>>53182491
Old courtyards are part of Odessa's charm.
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>>53182039
Don't listen to him, he's a Jew. Lying is a part of his "culture".
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>>53182718
He dramatize a bit,but still right.
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>>53182039
>being a soft cunt
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>>53182434
You're still in Ługańsk?
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>>53182968
Yep.
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>>53182843
>not wanting to live in an undeveloped place filled with addicts is being soft

Says the Canadian to an Israeli? If you're so "hard" leave Canada, the softest cunt of all

>>53182578
It's not that it was old, it's that everything outside the center was shit and crumbling and I've been there 3 times since the late90's and each time was worse

>>53182718
Just like cleaning toilets is part of polish culture?

>>53182832
See proofs right there and a Ukrainian would know better then you
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What about Kiev? It must be an alright city(?)
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>>53183049
r u a separatist?
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I know about the skyrocketing inflation and shit, but it's still really cheap, and like I said, I do have some savings.

Are the people friendly, welcoming to foreigners, etc? Will they be trying to rip me off all the time?
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>>53183312
Judging by GSW , Kievan suburb made me vomit.
>>53183347
No.
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>I will never teach english in the ruins of ukraine
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>>53183452
So why not move outside the fighting zone, lad?
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>>53183504
It's not a fighting zone atm ,and i don't have a money.
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>>53183408
>Are the people friendly, welcoming to foreigners, etc? Will they be trying to rip me off all the time?
From my experience in Ukraine:
It depends on people greatly. I've met the nicest people there but also the biggest cunts that will fuck you without lube. When I was there (like 5 years ago) it was a big no-no to approach police even if you had a problem - they'd realize you're a foreigner and you won't get rid of them unless you'll pay them. Also some people didn't like me cause I'm a Pole but that's other story.

All of this was in Western Ukraine, I'd expect Eastern Ukraine (which Odessa is, if not geographically then mentally) to be worse.
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>>53183408
you're out of your mind mate, it's real eastern europe (not this wends muh eu powered economies) and they're at war. if you go missing no one will miss you
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>>53183996
What do you mean real eastern europe? I've lived in Hungary and Poland, I've travelled the balkans, and it was just fine. I'm a bit worried about the war, yeah, which is why I'm leaning more towards Lviv than Odesa, but still...
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>>53184354
>I've lived in Hungary and Poland
Ukraine is... different.
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>>53182578
cat :3
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>>53183639
Seen any dead bodies?
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>>53183408
M8 it's not cheap and it's not safe. The cops there will also try to fuck you at every turn because they're desperate for money now and when you actually have a problem with one of the many bydlo there no one will help you.
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>>53184605
a few
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>>53184680
Cheap as hell. Especially for foreigner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5NuuJQT8ZM
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>>53184684
did u poke with a stick??
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>>53185493
n-nope
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>>53180743
>Argentinian teaching english in Ukraine

Nah, nothing could go wrong here.

The future students english lisp will be all kinds of fucked.
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I'm british, mate. Here on holidays.
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>>53180743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxs_VQ2I3O4
These gentleman knock on your door and ask to come inside?
What do you do?
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>>53180743
Odesa is a tourist spot. Dont know how it is on international tourist, haven't been there since '86.

Lviv is pretty good. I'm from Kiev, never been to Lviv, but all my friends who've lived in both say Lviv is better.

Do you speak the language?
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Lviv is much better than Odessa. Odessa is a working class shit town. Lviv is referred to as the unofficial Capitol of west Ukraine. There's no war or fighting in the west and is rather safe when thinking war wise. I'm going. Family lives outside Lviv.
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>>53180743
Absolute madman
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>>53189171
This.

Lviv is literally heaven and is ludicrously cheap. Go there. It is a beautiful city. I would live there in an instant if I could work via the internet. Also, the qts are off the scale.
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>>53189404
Mate, we'll be neighbors, you can come and visit.

The main reason for my trip is to study russian. I could just go to russia, sure, but the visa process is a pain in the ass. In Ukraine, I can just do visa runs to Hungary, done.
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>>53189866
Go to Kyrgyzstan to learn Russian. Very cheap.

Odessa and Lviv are not good places to study Russian. Lviv is Ukrainian-speaking and Odessa is expensive in relative terms. Go to Kharkiv in the East if you really want to study Russian in Ukraine.
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>>53183183
fuck off jew
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>>53189866
> The main reason for my trip is to study russian.
Just... don't say it to ukrainians

I'm serious
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>>53190022
>Go to Kyrgyzstan

Just don't joke about their national dish

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/03/british-worker-kyrgyzstan-gold-mine-held-horse-penis-delicacy-comparison
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>>53190085
Only the dumbest bottom shit of people can only bring and ethnicity into it, thanks for adding to the discussion. I'm not even Jewish by religion and only half Jewish and half Ukrainian like I said if you could read.

>>53184746
Isn't Odessa expensive? Or is that just for Ukrainians and foreign money is worth a lot right now? My family made it sound like everything there is super expensive right now worse then before.
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>>53181356
butthurt pole with the same pic in every thread
wew lad

>>53180743
Lviv will be cheaper by all measures, food, rent, public transit. But Odessa is in subtropic climate so it should be easier to adapt there.

>>53181436
dat gorgeous bbq... never forget
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>>53190022
Kharkiv is depressing and uninteresting.
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>>53190201
lol liberator
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>>53190391
> foreign money is worth a lot right now?

Yes.
2013
8 hryvnia for 1 dollar
2015
23 for 1 dollar
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>>53190391
High taxes on utility services. But i guess he not come here for living.
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>>53190667
Hикaкoй cтaбильнocти
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>>53185561
missed opportunity desu

hopefully things improve in time
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>>53190391
I'm probably more jewish than you, and I still tell you to fuck off.

jew part of my family all moved to isreal. they can all burn in hell. fucking scum
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>>53190991
Are you of those retards thinking ukraine is paradise of white man filled with butifel nadyas ready to jump on your cock?
Well it's not, it's a fucking shithole with civil war going on
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>>53180743
I have plans to permanently move to either Ukraine or some other Slavic country. Will lurk here with interest
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>>53191356
born and raised there.
no family left, for all I care the rest of t he country can go to hell.
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>>53191636
well then go there and live your dream
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>>53180743
Yooooo I'm going to Lviv and Kiev in March.

For you I would recommend Lviv because it's a beautiful city and you'll be closer to Western Europe which means you can just take the bus and easily do weekend trips. Lviv also has somewhat of an international community.
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>>53191766
why would I want to go back there?
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How about moving to the cheapest shit hole in Ukraine? How much cheaper are those cities compared to Lvov, Odessa and Kiev?
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>>53189866
Odessa reporting in.
If you want to study russian then visit Odessa. Lviv is mainly ukrainian speaking city. Lviv dwellers is generally more cultured, but Odessa arguably has more character. Odessa is definitely more multicultural in a good sense. Weather is better in Odessa. Odessa has some nice architecture but Lviv looks is more refined for my taste. People are friendly in general, but Odessa is much much more banterous and criminal. You will like it as a brit.
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Odessa is probably comfy. A legendary place indeed. But Ukraine is at war, it's better to keep out of this country yet.
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>>53190022
Man Kyrgizians probably speak with lots of mistakes.
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>>53190427
I'm from motherfucking York, I think the climate won't be a problem. Besides, I enjoy snow. Looking forward to a white Lviv...
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>>53191613
Westerners RAUS
keep your cucky ways to yourselves
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can any local Ukrie tell me how much I should expect to pay for a shared flat in Lviv? I want to share with a local to help with my russiar/ukranian.
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Lviv is really a good choice, mountains are near so you can go on trips
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>>53188438
>haven't been there since '86
Surely nothing changed
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A literal Argentinian going to teach English in Ukraine
How do you get a job like that, being, well, you?
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>>53191973
Tourist? I'm thinking about a trip to Ukraine too, but are western tourists safe now?
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>>53195163
He's a Falklander, read the thread.

>>53194793
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&country2=Ukraine&city1=York&city2=Lviv
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>>53195237
Yeah, as a tourist. I'll be going alone too. I just really would like to see Ukraine before I run out of time and no one else wants to go with me
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>>53195237

Safe af desu, idk why Westerners think it's Mad Max out on the streets there.

Seriously people, you should stop relying on RT/Sputnik/Any Uke channel for news on Easter Europe.
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>>53196093

FYI, 4chin now changes "to be honest" to "desu". Learned it for myself the hard way.
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>>53195810
I've been there 5 years ago and I wouldn't go there alone now 2bh.

>>53196093
What about those grenades smuggled from ATO that explode in random places from time to time? liveuamap is hardly a russian source of news.
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>>53196164
>now
Since November, family
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>>53196179
Are you sure? What's the worst that could happen if I go to Kiev and Lviv alone?
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>>53196252
Depends if you're there strictly for sightseeing (than that would be bribes and pickpocketing) or for partying too.
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>>53183680
>Also some people didn't like me cause I'm a Pole but that's other story.
raze it.
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>>53180743
If you're looking to improve your Russian, Odessa would probably be the better choice. I don't really know how good life is in either of those cities, considering we moved when I was really little.
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>>53196454
I don't think that demolishing Lwów would help :^)
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seems like its fine
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsX193VoN1U
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>>53196571
we must show our good side :^)
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>>53196437
Well since you're such an expert why don't you show me around :DD
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>>53180743
Why the fuck would you pick Ukraine over Russia?
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>>53196905
I have uni in March lad, but good luck and enjoy
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>>53196093
this
Traveled Ukraine last September, it felt almost safer than before. Definitely safer than Western Europe right now, I'd say.
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>>53197169
No worries. I'm going to travel around Poland in February on my own just to practice traveling in Eastern Europe alone. Any tips?
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>>53197608
Poland is Central Europe.
Don't get too drunk if you're travelling alone and have no one to carry you home.
You can't drink alcohol on streets here.
Don't try to speak Polish, it's cringe worthy.
Don't act stuck up.
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Odessa is a governed by a good man. So it's the best ukrainian city
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>>53196252
You can be robbed and beaten, murder is unlikely. I think you can bear it if you are a man. Btw saw a foreigner with a really swollen and beat up multicolored face at bank just a week ago. He looked really sad, was trying to receive money from a friend but bank manager was a dumb blonde. She can't communicate with him just shooed him away. I bet he can tell nice story for you.
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>>53198061
F U C K Y O U
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>>53197826
>Don't try to speak Polish
fick dich huresohn.
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>>53197826
>Poland is Central Europe
Nice meme. I went to Szczecin alone and it definitely did not look or feel like Western Europe.
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>>53196908
Ukrainians are nicer and life is cheaper.
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>>53196908
Read the thread, dumbfuck. As a european, visa is not a problem for Ukraine (and I can do visa runs to stay there indefinitely), but it's a big fucking headache for Russia.
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>>53198168
Name one better Ukrainian politician than him
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>>53181594
Jesus Christ I'm in love.
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>>53194382
>Macedonia
I thought you weren't slavic Alexander.
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>>53198304
Szczecin is underdeveloped, DDR kept chimping out this is their territory so we didn't invest much.
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>>53198414
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>>53198654
Tbh Stettin is rightfully German. It's on our side of the Oder river. But whatever, it's much to costly to bring it up to first world standards so you can keep it.
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>>53198812
DDR isn't much better 2bh
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>>53198414
>having a corrupt foreign politician appointed to governing one of your cities

Surely this is not politically motivated.
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>>53200106
He's less corrupt than any of jingoistic politician you have in yoir country.
>having entire clans of political families and 2 party system
Go away fat
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>>53200240
Isn't he wanted by court in Georgia?
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>>53200612
He is illegally wanted by a traitor government
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>>53198414
Chornovol,Kirpa. Both killed because been reformers. God rest their souls in piece.
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>>53191636
When were you there?
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>>53200106
>>53201184
I gave him (You) already, why bother? Tie muncher is not even real politician, just one of clowns that tend to gather in our burning circus.

>>53201184
*piss, like all our people >>53199638
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>>53198119
Why didn't you help him get his money?
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>>53201940
I overdramatized a bit. Looked him in the eyes to make sure he is not in despair, he was ok. That particular bank outlet just don't have money that he was trying to recieve. Besides I am not friendly enough to help people that are not in immediate danger.
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>>53201764
right after the collaps.

jew family stole half our money, family heirlooms, expensive possessions, ditches us all and moved to isreal
they literally stole gold, soviet era stamps, and a few relics we had from ww2. my grampas medals, etc.
distant relatives moved to germany, and denmark
my parents thought it was a good idea to move to nye with the help of my dads close jew friend who left a year early, but they fucked us over hardcore and we ended up in chicago being poor as shit. had enough money for one months rent, and a week of food. spoke no english, had no help, no programs, no benefits, knew no one.
took us years to recover and make something of ourselfs
jews are the worst.
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>>53200106
>Saakaszwili
>corrupted

You take that back, you ignorant scum.
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Odessa reminds me of this animated cartoon.
You ,go for it,.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w__YZvtmYKU
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