I only like him, because he's funny when he acts like a pleb. I know that he has 0 chance of getting actually elected, and even if he got elected he would change nothing, most what he does is just shouting memes.
>would i still like him if he runned for german chancellor ?
Hell no. He's fucking embarassing. It's only funny when it concerns americans
>>53178732 Anyone else think trump is paid by leftist to make opposition look like retards? I mean they picked a total rich asshole but he says reasonable things about US borders and Muslims but is constantly made out to be racist by the media.
>>53179474 Trump isn't right-wing, this is the usual Euro description of him though. His only right-wing positions are on immigration, he's actually quite moderate excluding that, the guy supports single-payer healthcare for Christ's sake.
>>53179615 But is he legit? There's no way he can win. Hispanics and Muslims are against him and leftist white people and the media too. That only leave a small section of people that would vote for him. Seems like he's just making sure Clinton wins, I heard he's good friends with the Clinton family and even went to some family wedding of theirs.
>>53178732 isn't he the guy who entered the election for meme-reasons, expecting to drop out after a few months, but then he started leading the polls so he tried being even more outrageous (calling other representatives ugly in the middle of debates n shit), but people just wouldnt stop loving him, and now he can't drop out because it would affect his PR and hes not sure what to do so hes kind of rolling with it?
Onlythe big headline things he says get reported here. Like closing the borders to Muslims, building a wall etc. Unless people are actively following the US election they just get the sensationalised bits that our media likes to cover.
>>53178732 That's because Yurocucks are so pussified that they a e afraid of any sort of change, that's also the reason why they keep voting for cuck parties and not those who want to change the current situation.
>>53179581 >the guy supports single-payer healthcare for Christ's sake. And he supports protectionist tariffs and all that, he is definitely left-wing economically which is why I would never vote for him. The only thing right-wing about him is his anti-immigrant rhetoric.
>>53179680 >Hispanics and Muslims are against him and leftist white people and the media too Most Hispanics do not sympathize will illegals Muslims, yeah, they probably don't like him, but are less than 1% here The media here is mostly left leaning
I disagree with his ideas on censorship and surveillance, and I think by having these extreme views on Muslims he's basically throwing away his chances of being able to bring real immigration reform/homeland security, but he's better than Hillary and Sanders and I would be pretty okay with him as president.
>>53178732 In the last US presidential erection, 40% of whites voted for Obama and 60% voted for Romney. However, because of Obama's support from minorities, he was able to win.
American whites are no longer in control of the political destiny of their country. If they tried to vote for Trump, the animus towards him from non-white Americans will ensure that his opponent wins. US politics is now dependent on the whim of their minorities. 40% of whites are racial traitors and this is only expected to grow. This 40% does not vote in alignment with their racial interests, but joins in minorities in shitty on the white majority, which is getting smaller and smaller.
Most of those posting under US flags on /int/ are progressives white males who welcome the diminution of the social and political power of their own race and class.
typical turkish conservative politician. scapegoat something - preferably jews or alawites since they got nearly to no population - for all problems, we'll take our ottoman glory back, people that don't agree with me are retards or traitors etc.
nice to see christian version of erdogan fucking people at another side of the world lel. muricans are as retarded as turks so they'll eat it.
>>53179804 >40% of whites are racial traitors and this is only expected to grow. This 40% does not vote in alignment with their racial interests, but joins in minorities in shitty on the white majority, which is getting smaller and smaller. The 40% is shrinking as it realizes its real interests, not the other way around. >Most of those posting under US flags on /int/ are progressives white males who welcome the diminution of the social and political power of their own race and class. come on now
>>53179769 True that. Actually he's not so different from Mussolini regarding his policies and discourse in attempting to get power. Italian fascism wasn't extreme or antisemitic up until 1938 I think.
>>53178732 I hope he wins. If Hillary wins, America is positively fucked. Obama has been acting like a dictator ever since he came into office, so we can only presume that she would be more of the same.
>>53178732 I for one like him. He's a little unstable with saying shit that he reverts later, but otherwise he's not bad and certainly better than any "democrat" candidate.
>Why do Eurocucks hate Donald Trump so much? At least in German media there is a large bias against him and all Republicans. It was the same during the last two elections.
>What is it about him that makes Europeans hate him with a passion, while White Americans love him with a passion? Once again, a country that has experienced the Gestapo, the Denazification and partially the Stasi will be at unease when someone so blatantly speaks his rather radical mind in an official position like Trump does.
I am young, so I do not get scared by "radical minds" as easily, but older people still have a lot of bad connotations of such behaviour, I guess.
Also, the memes, man. No other candidate has such great memes. The last one was Ron "Happening" Paul. His son is a little dull (and sucks in the polls), but I like him, too, politically.
>>53178732 I don't, there are people better suited to be President in my opinion, but between him, Bernie "free shit" Sanders and a criminal, I'd definitely choose him. People like to claim that he's an idiot, but it seems like he knows exactly what he's doing, and it's working out for him. It also helps that he isn't paid off by either big corporations or criminal unions, and that he doesn't give a damn about people who are butthurt about the things he says. He also has decades of business and management expierence, and isn't just some career politician.
>>53178732 So, what exactly has he said that is wrong? There is nothing wrong with stopping immigration from Muslim countries while we're conducting combat operations in Muslim countries. He didn't say "ban all Muslims!", like the Media said he did it.
>>53181577 >And your's are not? Not really, because we have a multi-party system that has become increasingly splintered.. We obviously have some of that, but most parties try to aim for their specific niche, rather than the common themes. Christian democrats aim at Christians and convervatives with traditional values, VVD (Liberal right) aims at self-employed people and the upper middle class, D66 (more progressive than VVD, but similarly liberal right. also very pro EU) does the same but for younger and more progressive people, SP aims at socialists and Wilders (and 'populist' parties before his) brings the anti-immigration & anti-Islam sound. Anti-EU is his own twist on that (previous populists tended to like Europe) >Appealing to the lowest common denominator = democracy In a way >I know Euros hate that. At least we don't have an oligarchy to be honest. >Also, don't act superior and tell me Eurocucks don't do the same. Nice shit economy and muslim problem you guys got. Stay classy lad. >We don't have one because we appeal to the lowest common denominator. Obama didn't seem to do so, and he won anyway. Or Clinton.. Even Bush..
>>53183290 >>53183333 What other market system was able to achieve the same amount of widespread prosperity as capitalism? And what market system has enabled you to even post on this indian street shitting forum to begin with? Nevermind that interference of the government has hardly anything to do with capitalism, yet it's the main reason big corporations have so much power in the US.
My post wasn't a criticism of fundementals of capitalism. what i meant was, Im not an expert of american economies ofc, but the shrinking middle class is a huge problem that should be fixed. and it seems like trump supporters, or also most of americans don't seem to care. I think they are prioritizing their problems wrong.
As long as the poorest dregs of white society can say "Could be worse, at least I'm not a nigger" they'll do whatever they can to preserve the status quo for their masters. Even take up arms (as we saw in 1861)
>>53184277 And career politicians have no idea about anything but politics. I'd happily take someone who knows how to handle a big business to achieve economic goals over someone who knows how to handle the dicks of other party members to achieve a high position within that party.
>>53184657 >I just hate faux-progressivism and classist nonsense which is what drives many working class people to vote Republican in the first place. >If progressives could stop being bigoted asstards for one election cycle, we'd see a new and more balanced America.
>Abloobloo I'm going to vote against my own economic interests because they called me a "Wal Mart shopper" >mfw
>>53184836 m8, they're voting for Republicans because they're convinced that Democrats are going to outlaw Christianity, give half of their paychecks to niggers and mandate that their children become gay.
>b-but it's actually the progressives' fault for being such meanie-bo-beanies ;-;
No they're not, and its that kind of nonsensical bigotry which is your problem. Do not act like a classist and racist (!) bigot then turn around and wonder why nobody wants to rally behind your cause which claims to speak for them.
Working class, white, Christian people made a lot of the real economic progress in the USA's past. When the leadership of "left" decided it was too good for its own base and started to try to pander towards elites and desperately bash those same people who were willing to do the actual footwork involved in making progressive change, the USA started veering very hard right.
"Meanie bo beanie" nothing. You're a bigoted hypocritical retard.
>>53185256 So the way I see it, I think poor whites vote against their economic interests because they happen to be largely uneducated, receive most of their news from right-slanted sources (AM radio, Fox, wingnut blogs) that fill their heads with blatant untruths and distortions of what the progressives want and fall for the "muh God" stuff. You think they do so because darn, dirty progressives are just bullies who can't stop and realize that those are real people's feelings that they're hurting.
No, many elite progressives are bigoted fuckwads and it absolutely dominates progressive rhetoric and the progressive "message". (All while pretending like they really ~care~ about the poor),
There was a time when working class white Christian people could be informed by progressive, working-class, pro-union media that spoke to them. Why do you think that now they want to tune in mostly to those conservative media? Could it be....because...you act like bigoted retards? Uneducated Black people don't have qualms about voting progressive. What if progressive elites decided that racism was as good as classism, and started calling Black people "niggers"?
Its easy to believe those right-slanted sources when left-slanted sources are so vitriolic and you act like every working class voter should overlook your classism because "economic interests".
>>53183290 You get a really distorted picture of America from overseas. The reality is that we have one of the best job markets in the world. Any reasonably intelligent, reasonably hard working person who has the legal right to work here can find a decent job and live very comfortably with minimal effort. You can go through life as a drunk fuckup and still have minimal problems economically if you just show up to work on time and do your job. The only serious threat to that that we see is if you look at the trend in healthcare costs. If the trend continues, we'll be screwed. So that's a big issue for us now. Other than that, though, those of us who aren't complete retards are fine and nobody wants to have a socialist revolution or whatever. So if that makes us turbo-capitalists, then that's fine, I guess.
>>53185838 >many elite progressives are bigoted fuckwads and it absolutely dominates progressive rhetoric and the progressive "message" kek, okay lad. This is totally a thing that actually happens.
>Why do you think that now they want to tune in mostly to those conservative media? Could it be....because...you act like bigoted retards? No, it's because the conservative media says "You love Jesus and hate nig- uh, hehe, I mean urban thugs of no particular ethnic persuasion? We do too!"
>>53178808 >How is Trump supposed to represent white pride?
He doesn't. Trump is not racist and has surrounded him with people of all races and religions growing up in NYC. He's more a classist and nationalist, supporting the wealthy and American over the poor and foreign
/pol/ likes to project their racialist policies on any mainstream candidate they can, whom they believe is their savior. Trump, Putin are championed as saviors of whites despite neither spending any time caring about race.
Of course it is. You think you are the first faux-progressive to bitch about "walmart-shoppers" and claim that all working class whites are all just secret evil racists just too retarded to know what's REALLY good for them?
You are the reason why workers rights have totally stagnated and in fact have rolled back. When the left represented those poorfags lined up at walmart, they were in much much better shape than they are now.
>No, it's because the conservative media says
And what does the liberal media say? Does the liberal media even pretend to care about working class Christian white people? Or does it simply talk down to them constantly and then wonder why they are voting against them?
>>53186117 >You think you are the first faux-progressive to bitch about "walmart-shoppers" and claim that all working class whites are all just secret evil racists just too retarded to know what's REALLY good for them? You surely haven't provided any evidence to the contrary (despite essentially claiming that it's a key pillar of the Democratic platform)
>You are the reason why workers rights have totally stagnated and in fact have rolled back No, that would be the death of American industry and the rise of neoliberalism. Not name-calling.
>You surely haven't provided any evidence to the contrary (despite essentially claiming that it's a key pillar of the Democratic platform)
Oh OK. You are the first and only classist progressive. Yep.
>No, that would be the death of American industry and the rise of neoliberalism.
Neither of which explains why working class Christian white people increasingly decide to throw in their hats with the Republicans. Classism is.
You don't "call people names" and then expect those people to vote for you. That's not how politics, solidarity, or advocacy works. Nobody will believe you care about the poor if you shit talk said poor people.
>>53186602 >Neither of which explains why working class Christian white people increasingly decide to throw in their hats with the Republicans. You asked about the decline of American labor, not about why white working class Christians decided to become Republicans.
Spoiler: It's the rise of the religious right in the 1970s and 1980s. Not name-calling.
They're perfectly welcome on the American left. It's just that they're convinced that the American left are a bunch of hippie faggots and they refuse to read anything that might call their preconceived views into question (and when they are inadvertently exposed to it, they write it off as "muh liberal bias").
You're not going to win this one, lad. I'm a reformed rightard myself, and I grew up around/work with blue collar Midwesterners.
He has some good points, with regards to foreign policy and not hating Russia
The issue is him as a speaker, personality. The new right needs someone with a lot of his principles, but he has a habit of making himself look bad. He's off-kilter in a way I dread he's going to make a horrible gaff or two soon.
He's a laughingstock to a lot of people which is not good. His hair for one thing, plus his celebrity and reality TV show past. Most rightist (in Europe) despise Hollywood culture and influence, so Trumps mingling in degenerate artforms is embarrassing.
He's prone to not knowing things. He's new, and a populist. Sometimes he looks like he doesn't do his research. He got absolutely stumped on the Nuclear Triad question at a debate. He cannot afford to do shit like that. I really hope he cleans up his act.
With diplomacy, first impressions and image matter. He is still seen by foreigners with limited knowledge of US situation as "that reality TV celebrity with fake hair". That is an image hurdle to overcome
I'm hoping for a Trump vs Sanders showdown (fuck Hillary) so establishment politicians can get the boot.
The new right needs a strong leader to champion them. The right leader would be thin (Trump is fat), cultured rather than pop-cultured and parochial, carefully-spoken, clean record (the left will attack any weakness), careful about slow escalation (Trump has shown his cards too soon with the muslim ban, that has to come slowly). The Le Pens in France are good, Jimmy in Sweden is alright, but Trump has too much baggage, too poor an image and too boorish an attitude to fit in.
>>53187267 >The two are very much related. Fair enough. Labor declines, working class people don't have anyone to represent their interests anymore, right-wing starts playing to their Christian sensibilities, they jump ship. Hadn't thought of it that way, but it makes sense.
>What happened to the religious left? It was a much bigger deal pre-70s and 80s? Sauce?
>Why do white working-class Christians feel alienated from the left now, hmmm? Because pundits tell them that "leftists" are Godless communists, and they feel threatened by the secularization that the left supports.
>Could it be...bigotry? I really, really, really doubt that plays nearly as big of a role as you're making it out to.
>Noooo, the progressive movement never does anything wrong and certainly never alienates anyone! Who said that, m8?
>Its all the fault of those evil, retarded, backwards voters that won't vote for them! I don't know who said this, either. Imo, those voters are being played as chumps. I said they were uneducated, which is true, but that's not their fault, and it doesn't make them "stupid".
>And you are convinced those blue collar Midwesterners are just too stupid to know what's really good for their """"economic interests"""". Not so much stupid. I think it's their limited access to education and information that's to blame.
They're convinced "welfare is for niggers" or that Jesus would frown upon it. Or sometimes, they're just hypocrites.
>>53187348 No, not when a bunch of vapid strawman arguments are being attributed to me. I honestly have no time for that nonsense.
>>53187484 I'm sure he's a smart man, he would have to be to be a presidential candidate and a billionaire tycoon. But he is still a cardboard cut out of a real person, but then most high profile Americans are, I guess.
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