/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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I'm practicing hair. Thoughts?

>>3027542
make longer strokes

>make mistake of letting sister see work
>she compliments it
>motivation lost for the month
why do normies always insist on shitting on any willpower or drive you have? do the want to make you as spiritually destitute as they are?

>>3027544
k k

Anything else?

>>3027549
measure values.
for example by her neck under chin should be very dark.

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I will paint a fucking wood ball this year, I will fucking do it. I'm not retarded, I'M NOT RETARDED FUCKING GOD.

>>3027471
dat hip

>>3027556
I agree although I dont think the chin is really a call for concern considering they're
>practicing hair

>>3027545
you suck large penis get back to work

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all my work so far in my hair. Thoughts?

>>3027470
you used my drawing. I'm both happy and embarrassed right now.

I'll post the same question i asked when I've uploaded the img: How do you keep proportions when you use paint.
Do you do a undeline sketch?

>>3027605
>3 minutes work max
holy shit, post again in 50 hours you humongous fucking faggot

>>3027605
Try drawing hair without filling it in and make that look good first.

>>3027609
no
>>3027611
You mean

I try making the contour look good and then draw the inside right?

>>3027614
>>I try making the contour look good and then draw the inside right?

I'd say just stick to the contour and try to draw as few lines inside it as possible.

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>>3027615
Like this?

>>3027620
less lines.

try to focus on the shapes that are inside the hair, don't make it a single mat.

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>>3027620
It looks like you hold your pen like this.

>>3027624
You mean, to draw the strokes in more directions?
>>3027627
Sowy

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>>3027630
>>You mean, to draw the strokes in more directions?

no, imagine hair like a block with different layers on it.
Look at some sculptures and see how they scultpt hair.

you need to get the 3D down before you do the details inside it.

>>3027633
honestly that looks like she has a rag wrapped around her head

>>3027636
yeah i was lazy sorry.

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>>3027633
You mean visualize foldings and wrinkles in a 3d shape?

If thats what you meant it sounds really hard.

>>3027641
>You mean visualize foldings and wrinkles in a 3d shape?
ye

>If thats what you meant it sounds really hard.
thats why you should practice it

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>>3027642

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>>3027642
Wip, is this how is done?

>>3027668
its actually kind of better

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Here's a self-portrait I made. Any critiques?

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>>3027669
>kind of better
I have no idea how to visualize foldings wrinkles bending-thingies or spikes in 3D

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First time digital painting

>>3027470
that's a good ass drawing homie

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>>3027674
That will be me soon! I ordered my first Graphics Tablet today! I'm very excited but also a bit scared tbqh!

>>3027671
me neither, that's why we gotta practice.

>>3027680
Wich one?

>>3027680
Good luck, anon!

>>3027670
Nice necklace faggot

>>3027670
why do you look like a anime?

Is /ic/ just for art of people, or is it art in general? Forgive my newfaggory, first time posting on this board

>>3027725
art in general, but expect to be (rightfully) shat on if your idea of art equates to drinking colored yoghurt and throwing up on a canvas

>>3027734
You dont get to decide what art is, dick

>>3027749
Oh we fucking do. It's like saying we can't decide what a penis is.

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Hi my name is James and i like aaaaaarrrrrttttttt

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Is there a certain time of day when new /beg/ threads get made? I'm always super late.

>>3027797
why does it matter?

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>>3027471
How do i into hands?

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What's this ball made of? I know you can do it, /ic/, I'm so fucking close to it.

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>>3027854
wood it kill you to do some studies?

>>3027863
That's what I'm doing for 12 hours straight, actually.

>>3027821
To get my work in before the thread starts to die.>>3027827

>>3027854
metallic paint?

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>>3027888

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>>3027854
I'm a beginner too but even I can tell that your problem is that you aren't wrapping the wood grain patterns around the sphere. Because they end so abruptly at the edges, it looks more like a badge than a sphere.

>>3027854
you're definitely on the right track with the grainyness but the pattern is completely off

>>3027897
>>3027898
Oh, gonna grind some sphere maps or some shit then.

>>3027897
not him but thanks this looks useful

>>3027827
Pinch your fingers together and hold them toward your eyes, then draw that blind. See how that looks and then restate what doesn't look right.

From there practice drawing your own hands in unusual positions/angles, then it will be easy to draw them in more normal positions.

I have a question for scanners

My scanner from hp f370 scan like shit
it can't get all those little details from pencil drawings

Please give all protips about buying scanners for pencil drawings

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How do I go upon coloring this in Photoshop? I tried using a color layer but it looks really boring when I do that.

>>3027680
Good luck, anon! I'm cheering on for you!

>>3027876
there are three hundred posts before a thread will cease to bump. what the hell are you actually on about

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>>3027471
Did I do her justice?

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Any tips?

>>3027986
you sliced her feet off

>>3027991
Watch Aaron Blaise tutorials

So when I draw from, reference/without construction, I can get it to look Reasonable, but if I draw with construction it looks like toddler tier drawing.

I can correct it sure, but its so awful that I just make a new one and make huge adjustments in my approach.

Should I continue doing this or just stay away from construction?

>>3027986

>that nose
>that face in general

Did pretty well on the body, though.

>>3027991
You have potential, that's for sure.

>>3027991
the light source is inconsistent (e.g 3rd tree from the left has highlights on top left and under the leaves, and has barely any shadow on the opposing side) I love the shape of the trees though

>>3027785
what a penis is?

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So I'm having trouble with my process. This took just about an hour of dicking around. I don't know how to start a painting, and then as soon as I get to around this point I don't know where to go. Could I get some examples of good process?

I tried the "one layer" thing as well.

>>3028034
Your process is already good, you just need to refine more and fix your measurements because everything is off.

>>3028034
what's the one layer thing?

>>3027670
leave beg

>>3028039
Painting on one layer.

>>3027704
it's a noose

>>3028042
what advantage does that give?

>>3027977
typically the thread dies at around the same time every day

>>3028044
It feels a bit more ... traditional? Idk. I didnt start with a sketch either. That probably would have helped.

>>3028032
That thing your mom is riding like it's a toy horse.

>>3028044

Not him, but for some programs with better brush engines it helps with blending. It can also make things feel a little more integrated for painterly stuff (having dozens of different layers can sometimes make stuff seem kind of disjointed).

It's also just comfier. I hate layer management, I tend to merge down pretty regularly. It really pulls me out of it when I have to find the right layer, and its fucking annoying when you accidentally do a bunch on the wrong layer.

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>>3027470
>day one with Keys to Drawing
>it all goes to shit

Oh for fucks sake. There goes my line control. How do you guys "take time" on your pieces? These exercises are supposed to be 15-30 min long but I struggle to hit 15 minutes. Even when I stare at the page my line still just does as it fucking pleases.

Pic related. I'm plugging 2 hours a day on this, no more, no less.

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>>3027471
Never tried doing full bodies before. I think I did pretty well for my first time.

>>3028062
putting down rough very light preliminary lines for the general shapes of the hand, before going more into detail of the exact shapes help me lay down better lines. work from rough to fine. nobody expects you to be able to lay down the right final line in one go. if you have time left, draw another one and use the mistakes of the previous one to guide you to draw a better version

>>3028064
You have a good eye for shadows.

Hey /beg/, I know Loomis is often recommended for beginner construction, and there's that one really good introductory book on perspective who's name escapes me.

My question is, what is the equivalent of those two books, but for colour/shading? Is there one? Or is that struggle just going to be super long and painful? I just feel like I'm fumbling around in the dark a lot whenever I try to shade something.

>>3028075
colour and values are kept seperate. if you know construction, it's really just filling in the planes with right shading. all shapes are just complex boxes, can you shade a box?

>>3028073
Thank you.
What do you think is at fault with my construction?
I always tend to have trouble sizing the body parts, and then something ends up being bigger than it should be, or it ends up being way too far apart in relation with the other parts.
No matter how much I try to keep sight of this I always end up fucking up something somehow and I have no idea how to correct this.

>>3028008
Eh, same thing happens to me, but I've practiced 10 times more from reference than without it, so I'd say just practice more construction until you get it right. Don't just abandon it or you're gonna be like those musicians that can't play 2 chords if they don't have a sheet in front of them.

>>3028075
Shading is usually included in perspective books, I think.

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>>3027791

>>3027986
Kindof but your shading is pretty flat. It's like you're symbol drawing the shadows.

>>3027791
read the sticky autist

>>3028114
It's also included in Loomis

>>3028084
Sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression I had "completed" the other two books I mentioned, I'm still working through them.

>can you shade a box?
Barely I suppose, but I can't do spheres at all. Or at least, I can't make them look any good.

/ic/ key to drawing needs a model for some exercises. Can I use images? I know is not good as the real thing but can get the job done?

>>3028150
live figure drawing is very different than working from photographs
but you might as well use images while looking for figure drawing classes in your area

>>3028150
That'd defeat the point, wouldn't it? No judging yourself off more experienced artists and instead cultivating self-critique methods and personal gains.

>viewing the form from one point is like looking at a gun barrel aimed directly at you
what did loomis mean by this?

>>3028162
He meant it literally, have you ever seen a gun barrel aimed directly at you? That's how rare it is to see one point.

How do I erase my pencil lines without lifting the ink from my pen lines?

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Throwing in a WIP before the thread dies. Mostly want to know if I have the right technique with digital painting

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First real attempt at a landscape

>>3028171
Looks more like a skyscape to me.

>>3028171
Dk why it wants to do that, here

http://imgur.com/a/Q0V0p

>>3028162
all real artists have looked into their gun barrel before while considering killing themselves, so it's the most common example everyone should be able to relate to
come on anon, read the fucking sticky

>>3028155
>>3028157
Thank you, I guess I've got to be less autistic.

>>3028178
figure drawing classes are pretty autistic friendly
just hand over the fee, sit down and stare at the model, you don't have to say a word

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Can anyone critique my use of perspective and line weight? I tried to use the line weight to emphasize the light source, which is directly overhead and semi-soft. Thanks!

I already know my lines are a little wobbly, i''ve been avoiding stabilizers for practice ;_;

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could someone give tips or post a guide on the pelvic area? I'm a bit clueless how the legs, the hips and the general shape of the abdomen are

>>3028116
Does Napoleon have a good grasp of values?

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>>3028209

Where is the midway point from a back view? That V at the top of the sacrum?

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Fucked up snakes arm but sketched it in 10min critique please

>>3028170

Use 50% gray background for value practice. Otherwise you'll go too bright or too dark.

>>3028246
always 50%?

>>3028243
If you need to have the characters' names with arrows pointing to them to tell who is who, that's a problem.

I hope this is the right place to ask this.

I made a halftone pattern using this method:
http://darkgoddess.org/wonderland/2012/07/09/simple-halftones-in-gimp/
For some reason, part of it is coming out transparent when I want both colors to be opaque. Merging the pattern layer down to a solid color layer didn't do anything; the transparency carried down with it. What am I doing wrong?

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Hope it's not bad tact to ask a question twice if you don't get a response the first time.

Which of these heads do you feel has proportions inconsistent with the others? Specifically interested in the vertical proportions between the brow, eyes, nose and chin.

>>3028256
Sorry anon i was modifying the characters and put the names there, ur right thats a problem...thanks for pointing that out

>>3028253

More or less.

>>3028272
its symbol shit, go grind loomis

>>3028246
Pretty dumb thing to tell the anon who is on track and just needs a bit more darks.

>>3028116
>well at least I can render

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self portrait

is there a /ic/ discord group?

>>3028308

Well, I don't give advice just for this specific image. What I said helps beginners to learn how to see values properly. The standard way of practice. He can take it or leave it. Up to him.

I'm just here to share stuff I've learned and possibly help others instead of derailing beginners with fake information.

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>>3027476

>>3028170
arm is too long. try measuring relative to other parts.

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>>3027854

Do another pass of light and shadow on top to give it more form.

New layer, Overlay mode, 60% opacity with pressure control.

>>3028294
OK, but I've already drawn every head in Fun With a Pencil at least once. And the drawings of the heads from the ball-and-plane pages I've been practicing every day. I guess all of those are probably symbol drawings too. If I just keep drawing those same heads over and over I'm guessing it won't much good right?

One of the things Loomis reccomends practicing is drawing consistent proportions. So I'm trying to take the same head and drawing it a different angles. It's hard to tell when you're doing things right though. That's why I asked the question. I don't have any pretentions that any of these are good, I just want to focus on getting this one thing right and going from there.

>>3028411
I think that other anon was being retarded. Loomis's proportions are... interesting. Not terribly wrong, probably not what you should base your life's work off of. You ARE to some degree symbol drawing, but that's probably not your main concern, and Loomis isn't who you need to help you with that. You're practicing construction, and you want construction tips.

I feel like there are anons more qualified to answer your question than I am, ao Inll stop there.

Shit, I think I finally understand perspective to the point where I could make a floor plan and draw it in perspective.


Gonna give it a try and see if I can make it work. Literally going to measure up everything in my room lol.

>>3028272
not entirely sure what you're asking, but 5 and 9 are the ones that aren't exactly "uniform" with the rest. Regarding proportions, in all of your heads, the line from the top of the brow to the bottom of the nose is a bit longer than bottom of nose to chin. It's not that big of a deal, because not every head perfectly adheres to these proportions, but it's something to keep in mind if you're trying to memorise them. However, It becomes a problem when the character opens their mouth, because you have to account for the jaw dropping and the chin being lowered, which is something you haven't done

>>3027734
Yeah, that's fair.

When's a good time to start dipping my feet into drawing clothes?

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Thoughts on this? Reply is the original

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>>3028464

>>3028008
I'd say when doing construction the point isn't to make something beautiful, it's for you to reason out what this is and where it is in space. It's okay if it's not beautiful, because it's just the foundation. Just make sure it's not so messy that you can't read the forms. Keep at it.

>>3028243
"sketched it in 10min critique please"

Kill your self, insecure attention whore. If you want a critique put more than 10 minutes on it.

>>3028294
Loomis is great and all but art education is actually really complicated, and just shouting at someone to do Loomis with no other direction is literally the least helpful thing you could do.

>>3028407
If there's something you'll be good at anon is having a career in painting planets.

>>3028464
I think from a distance, it's good but even then i'm seeing some issues with values, most notable with the hair. The guy in the origional has very glistening hair, and while you've started that,
you're not going quite as far as you could. I think that's true too for things like his forehead and nose bridge, other parts of the face basically. Again, I can tell you have the idea, but don't be afraid to go brighter otherwise things start to get a little muddy and boring, maybe as a form of self-critique you could play the value game with yourself. Color pick the area of the guy, the same area on your drawing and see how different they are.
Also, I think that your work is kind of suffering from that "blurred too much" look when we get
a little closer. Don't be afraid to give some visual interest by leaving some edges sharp when they warrant it, and that's something I think you'll develop and eye for if you try and look for when that would be appropriate..
I'm not the best at critique but hopefully this helped.
Keep at it.

>>3028486
Thanks man, very useful

>>3028494
No problem, forgive my shitty grammar.

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Current WIP, wondering i the construction of the torso looks fine. I cant shake the feeling that the perspective of the box is off. Like the angle is too small or i dont have the right plane of the box attached to the shoulder.

>>3028464
Unless you are painting shiny texture less smooth metal i would stay away from the air brush. Use hard brushes of different shapes and dont worry about blending. Just lay down accurate tiles.

>>3028528
You made the perspective of the chest more like a two dimensional plane instead of having the breast come off of it as separate objects. Try varying the centrelines outward, follow the forms of the breast.

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>>3028528
>>3028542

>>3028548
>>3028542
Thanks a ton. I'm curious on the box you put on the chin in >>3028548. Was there a specific size related to measuring how much of a gap there should be?

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I really didn't feel like doing this shit today but I decided maybe trying to figure out anatomy (i guess thats what this is?) by drawing it over some figures.

I'm sure it's cringy to look at to people who know where everything is supposed to go but its only my second day caring about this shit.

An anon in the previous /beg/ thread pointed me to this Michael Hampton Figure drawing book. I kinda skimmed through it and liked drawing the ribcage and pelvis over some shitty 3d boxes like I used to do. I haven't actually read anything in it yet.

>>3028556
Well in real life it would be about an ice with between the jaw and face the mouth, but in this case I was just using my instincts to give her a little bit of a bone there. But where the job ends on either side of that line item through through her mouth area that is more deliberate - Women have lower jaws then men and if that is a common place for it to turn. I'm sure there is an exact relationship that you could find out about online but I don't know it.

What's important here is that you make room for the jaw that would be there even though its a cartoon character and not quite the same as a realistic jaw. Relationships are more important than actual/absolute proportions, I think.

If anyone else out there is a depressed NEET, how did you overcome the lack of energy and the sadness over how much you suck at first to start practicing and keep at it long enough to improve?

I've tried to get started and work up the mental discipline to start learning to draw but it has always amounted to a couple days of lackluster attempts following "You can draw in 30 days!" type books or failing at the first chapter of lessons at Drawabox before the willpower is gone again and it's back to regret.

Should I just OD on caffeine pills or some shit and hope THAT gives me the energy to put real time into learning?

>>3028561
Eyes widths not ice with, sorry. I'm on an iPad n the autocorrect is horrendous.

>>3028562
Change your motivation. Treat art like problem-solving. Don't limit your tools – use references if you have to. Remember the real goal of art is to make something enjoyable to look at, not to be perfect, and not to immediately be able to draw perfectly without reference etc. etc. instead the point is to have fun and make something very appealing. Something else that helped me was becoming a Christian. I believe it helped my emotional maturity and despite what people say about religion I have become more logical and cool headed.

>>3028556
Also, you're welcome. Forgot to add that it to my reply.

>>3028566
>>3028561
np, you have been more then helpful. Appreciate it.

Please tell me how to stop being a perfectionist.
Its crippling my drawing process.

>>3028561
Eyes width, job = jaw, item = going through, if that - that is a common...

Sorry for the mess that AutoCorrect made. I use the voice recognition because it would take way too long to type with my finger.

>>3028568
That's a hard one, because art is a very perfectionist craft. Maybe work more slowly and deliberately. I don't know – maybe if you show some of your artwork or tell us which art is yours someone can think of the right advice. ( ignoring troll responses of course )

>>3028558
That's a good start. The main idea is that your figure drawings will always be structured by the ribcage and pelvis. So if you know where those are, how they connect and bend, you'll be able to draw any figure. Try tracing over nude models instead so you can actually see the anatomy. Use Loomis proportions as a rough guide for now.

Also, you don't need to learn anatomy that way, piece by piece. You first need to learn construction and gesture, then anatomy will become easier to grasp as it gets added onto it. Most importantly, learn the ribcage, spine, pelvis, and clavicles.

Have you checked out Proko's channel? Check the gesture videos and the bean videos.

>>3028568
Realize that being a perfectionist takes at least ten years. Then realize how far you got in just your short amount of time.

>>3028562
Momentum and passion, anon. The MOST important thing is trying to find why. Why are you even doing this? Are you doing it just to do it, or do you have a dream. If you have a dream and a passion for it, then you can set up goals to reach it. If you have no reason for doing it, and you want to be professional about it, don't.

Draw what you like, you'll always have that. I totally recommend ONLY doing studies is the quickest way to burn out and hate drawing. You need to have a good mix of studying fundamentals and the people you look up to but also leaving time for yourself to have fun too.

I can't help you be less of a perfectionist, but for me, you just have to take a deep breath and accept what you did. This is just one drawing, and if you want to live on your art, you will do so many drawings, easily thousands, this drawing is only a small step. Not every drawing will be good. Maybe you just need some friends who will be able to be that voice for you until it's in you.

Feel free to post your art.

>>3028572
Is there like a free compendium of pictures to use for human figure drawing practice?

>>3028579
Check the sticky, there's links.

>>3028464
Your background is too bright. It makes it seem like your overcompensating for this by making your painting darker in comparison to the reference. You're missing the highlights and the midtones are darker than they should be.

>>3028583
>>3028464
I second this advice, I think it is good. Try painting on a mid toned back ground it can be closer to the lighter spectrum or darker spectrum a little bit but either would be better than white, probably.

>>3028572
I have seen his channel before. I remember watching his robo bean video. I haven't ever actually implemented any of it before but ill look deeper into it tomorrow.

Thanks for the tips!

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Directly copying and studying other artist
What should i fix

>>3028595
I don't know because I don't really see what you're copying from, but that's a very, very awkward way to put on tall socks.

>>3028595
Not sure if you're good or if you're just good at copying what the artist did to some extent. Pretty much, what are you even asking? Did you learn anything from this? About the pose? The lines?

>>3028595
>that coloring on the ref
Oh shit I think I know who that is

>tfw not intelligent enough to think in 3D

>>3028604
Drawabox really helped me with this. You are smart enough, just takes time. Drawing from real life also helps.

>>3028599
Before into coloring, gonna fix some wrong form or anatomy
Purpose of doing this is learn 'how to complete piece' because i never did it before

>>3028604
That's just an excuse. If you're able to post on /ic/, you're intelligent enough to think in 3D. It's something that has to be learned and that takes time. Don't give up so quick if you haven't gotten what it takes years to perfect. Your eyes already see in 3D if you aren't blind. That's a lot of the ways there already. If you can see a ball, you can probably draw that ball. Same applies to anything else. It just takes more time.

>>3028595
Overlay the original on your drawing and see where you're off if you want to be exact.

Of course you won't be perfect but you might get an idea of some major mistakes you've made. You may have to resize to get the 'best fit'.

>>3028600
Its as109

Is it possible to get good without being able to copy references well? I'm new as fuck and love using them to search for forms and stuff like that but actually straight up copying what I see Keys To Drawing style is like pulling teeth.

>>3028656
No. Try more Keys to Drawing exercises, you still have teeth to pull.

When your mouth is toothless, then you have my permission to whine.

>>3028562
I realized that since I was already neet and depressed that I had nothing to lose, with time to do things I've always wanted to do.

So I made an ultimatum. It's either I learn how to draw or never learn at all. If I choose to learn, then I have no excuses to not do it. To add to that, I learned how to be tempered, to keep drawing steadily no matter what my brain says about this or that, whether it's freaking out or not. My reasoning is that it is just a matter of practice. I can improve as long as I am approaching it in a practical way like learning other skills.

>always amounted to a couple days of lackluster attempts following "You can draw in 30 days!"
Right, because you attempted this from a manic state. There was too much anxiousness getting into it. You were never going to make it past a week.

It's not required to work up a mental discipline or attitude. You just have to want to learn, one day at a time. It helps to get organized. Create a lesson plan. Think about practicing systematically so that you're not overwhelmed. Streamline your process and then just do it an hour or so per day. Don't overextend yourself.

>Should I just OD on caffeine pills
That actually would not work as it would make you too hyped up to draw. Drawing is an intricate process, you have to sit and be calm enough to create precise lines and shades with your pencil. Do you notice how beginners often start with chicken scratch lines? They have not yet learned to slow down and be precise in their work. A little bit of coffee is fine.

If you're at the beginning, know that it's okay to suck for a while, and you will. Set some time aside to work on one of those beginner drawing courses like draw a box. There is no rush here and you've nothing to lose, but plenty of reward, satisfaction, and confidence gained from the work that you will create.

>>3028656
If you can prove you draw good without copying then yeah, sure.

>>3027542
>>3027605
>>3027620
if you're not even gonna practice your fundies what's the fucking point

>>3027791
wew

>>3027865
>12 hours to draw a fucking wood ball
is this one of those meme drawing projects? what other purpose is there

>>3028699
>>3028575

A lot of my problems is just the depression and perfectionism stacking up over the years, for the longer I've let it go on. Like, part of why I keep kicking myself is that being a NEET, I fully know I've had all the free time in the world for years I could have been, and still could be, using for learning to draw, but haven't. And so when I manage to get the willpower to just sit down for 10 minutes and just try to draw straight lines and work on muscle memory, I dunno, it feels like a way more monumental effort than it is.

I've been trying to tell myself I need to make it regular, and even if it's only for 5 minutes of scribbling, that I need to get into the habit of putting pencil to paper every day, but building that habit hasn't been successful yet and it always gets interrupted or I get worn out or forget for a single day and it usually peters out.

I guess I just wish it was easier for me to channel my massive desire to become an artist into the actual willpower to grind through this every day and for longer than just a paltry minimum

>>3028717
>anon doesn't realize this is fundies too
Looks like you need to train your eyes more.

>>3028721
If you think it's so easy, then go for it.

>>3028062
Patience and consistency. Worry less about how good you are and more about doing it every day. You will see surprising improvements over time.

>>3028742
I'm sure it's challenging, but is it worthy
Time is valuable, could you be spending all of that time developing your skills in other areas?

>>3028754
You can always be spending your time developing other areas. Of course it's worthy, do you not consider rendering important? Light and shadow? Proportions? Design?

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>>3027620
Look at how other artists draw hair and copy that

I'm sick and tired of being unmotivated. Depression and perfectionism is fucking me up man. I just want to draw and stop procrastination but my mind is playing tricks on me.

>>3028771
Then just draw. What the fuck.

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>>3028771
same, the more I try to work myself up to being motivated, the harder I crash when I can't even do a simple exercise or get myself to put in the time to try and practice at all

I should look at these shitty boxes and go, "that's better than the first time I tried these boxes", but then reality sets in with "You've been wasting your life and this isn't going to get anywhere look at how bad it is"

>>3028771
your drawings don't have to be perfect. They never are.
even the greatest artists sucked at some point

>>3028771
>>3028771
may be this is gibberish,
do you have desire about something creating beautiful? that is my motivation with this motivation i can draw 7+ hour (not 16 hour feng zhu meme)

i'm so urge about that i even lose my sexual desire
so find what want you do. step by step

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real n****a conditions

>>3028727
>it feels like a way more monumental effort than it is.
Because you're over thinking it. The story of your life has nothing to do with learning a skill. Also that's not perfectionism. It's fear of failure. But look, failing at drawing as a beginner doesn't mean anything. This is like problem solving. You will fail at it at first till you figure out how to do it right.

>I've been trying to tell myself I need to make it regular, and even if it's only for 5 minutes of scribbling,
You don't need to tell yourself anything. You just sit down and do the practice. Just like doing anything else. Do you have to coax yourself into doing laundry? Do you have to give yourself a motivational speech just to cook your food?

>I guess I just wish it was easier for me to channel my massive desire to become an artist into the actual willpower
Get rid of that nonsense about "massive desire" and "wllpower". Just draw. It's easy if you take it day by day. For one hour, practice gestures. The next day, practice construction. Focus only on that. You're making it harder by looking at the long journey ahead. If you do that, you will never get anywhere. But if you just start, you will eventually be further ahead than you've ever been.

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>>3027471
Late as usual

>>3028888
For fuck sake.the one time it was suppose to be on the side its actually vertical.I can never win

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self portraits 5 years apart. what do i have to do to improve faster?

>>3028895
is this the tastiest bait of the whole thread

>>3028896
not bait, i legit want to improve

>>3028896
Welcome to /ic/ where if beginners post on the beginner's page they get harassed.

>>3028925
is 5 years beginner?

>>3028721
I just want to learn how to draw wood.

>>3028927
I wouldn't consider it so, but depends on how quickly one improves.Wasn't even neccarily only talking about his work.

>>3028930
This seems a little stiff. I think some gesture and anatomy stuff will give your poses a more real feel. Also be careful about your lines, I think gestures will help you limit how many lines you use.With 30 second gestures, try and capture the feeling of the pose with less than 20 lines.
Keep at it.

>>3028895
just read the fucking sticky i swear to god ill key your car.

>>3028927
Spending five years on something doesn't mean you can't be a beginner. I've been drawing for literal decades but based on the quality of my work this is the thread for me.

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>>3027477

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How horrible is this? I'm...an absolute beginner and literally go by the ear, so I dunno.

>>3028974
It's not the worst, but please learn forms.

>>3028976
Forms? I have never opened an art manual, so by forms, you mean...? Sorry, I'm quite a dunce. Oh, also, thanks a lot!

>>3028978
Basically seeing objects and simplifying them into understandable 3D shapes like cylinders and boxes. I always throw out Drawabox.com as being a good lesson plan, but there are lots of good resources for learning it in the sticky.

Drawing what you see is fine, but if you can break it down, it's easier to replicate from your imagination and easier to exaggerate.

>>3028978
Oh, I see. Thanks for taking the time to explain it, anon!

>>3028984
>>3028982
Oops, wrong poster.

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I don't know how to make it look good (face)

>>3028989
The nose is great, because you didn't blur it as much as you did the rest of the face, so it looks like the "camera" is a little out of focus. The part on the right where the chin makes contact with the background is fantastic though. I don't have the time, but in you're in photoshop, make sure to check your values.

>>3028989
you just applied an affect to an image no?
if not you can take that as a compliment

>>3027975
If your painting cel-shaded like that, you could probably just get away with using the fill bucket

>>3028989
what does beginner even mean anymore

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>>3029002
You're not wrong. You can even see the lighter smudges where the people in the background used to be

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>>3029008
It's a study, what do you expect? I tried for it to be pretty much the same except those people in the background.

Maybe it looks better now

>>3029026
fuck my text didn't show up. Left is the full composition, the right is the face. Faces are my weak spot, trying to get better

>>3029028
>Faces are my weak spot, trying to get better

then why draw the back of the face?

looks nice though, front though looks off like you see too much that you would see from that angle.

>>3029025
Fuck off mate... you smudge the photo.

>>3029037
That or trace and color pick the ref.

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>>3029037
>>3029039
I think you are trolling but whatever. I still consider it a very amateurish work, thats why i am posting in this thread.

>>3029043
Well shit anon, if you drew all that yourself off the reference, face included then /beg/'s not the place for you. It's not for amateur artists, it's for beginners who straight up cannot into the fundamentals of art. You clearly are good at sight drawing, and your additions and choices with detail show appreciation for things like proper lighting.

Post something you did that's not off a referenced pic.

>>3029037
>>3029039

Photostudies looking that close to the ref aren't unusual, calm the fuck down.

>>3029074
It's unusual for /beg/. While I don't have the autority to say it one way or another if his studies look half as good as that, and if he actually bothered to study construction/perspective, he shouldn't be in /beg/.

>>3029085

That I agree with, but the shitposting isn't necessary.

>>3027854
Das Jupiter

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>>3027471
I'm not very good

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Aside from the fact her right arm looks like cancer, shoes look like shit and the shading is god awful (tried a different method and fucked it up), what else do I need to improve?

Specifically the perspective and angles.

>>3029127
you listed all of the problems yourself

but

study anatomy.

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i wish i could find some decent fucking tutorials for drawing asian faces, ones that feature more than just women, fat boys, fembois, and kpop stars. where are all the strong jawed men in them? i feel the lack of strong looking men in asian references really hurt my ability to actually do anything cool with faces.

>>3029127
>how do i improve?
firstly, learn how to deconstruct things. break down what shapes your foot is made out of into simple, easy to understand 3d shapes. then draw those shapes at different angles.

second, your fingers are weird. contrary to popular belief, your fingertips are not cubes, they are closer to a trapezoid. notice how your fingertips curve slightly towards your nail compared to the blocky look of the rest of your finger?

im not going to comment to much on your perspective because until you (>>3029156), going into detail would be a fruitless endeavor, but ill still give your the cliff notes.
what angle am i looking at your character with? im i looking down from the knee? because the foot is clearly underneath me. am i looking up at her crotch? because thats clearly above me. am i looking at her from below, or above? it confuses me to look at it because i dont know where focus.

>>3029125
Your planning is poor.
Try to stay on the page.

>>3029156

Anything more specific?

>>3029125
plan your shit
>>3028971
draw bigger
>>3028595
if you're just trying to master imitating this artist, being perfect doesn't matter if you can't even notice what's wrong with what you're doing. just do a lot, look at how they make their lines and then try from imagination. don't waste time trying to be perfect, just learn how they do what they do.
>>3028347
from where your face is you might have made the top of your skull a little too close to your eyes; maybe you just have a high-up face. Also your fringe looks a little like a beanie in that it looks stuck to your forehead. I like the colour variation and the lighting on the face though

>>3029166
im sorry for the shit quality, i dont have anything better than a old webcam from 2004, my bad.

>>3029166
>is the face ok or am i being paranoid?
i want these posters to leave

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>>3029175
start contributing

Do i need to draw a perspective grid for every drawing that makes use of perspective?

My drawings are always 100% flat shit.

>>3029166

>Deconstruction
Yeah that's one the of my focuses atm

>Fingers
It varies subjectively from style to style, but you're correct nonetheless.

>Perspective
What are you on about? Nothing of what you said here made sense

>Your photo

Many of your criticism apply. Mainly anatomy.

>>3029175

>"Oh all these guys draw like 12 yr cringy artists kys"

>doesn't upload anything

get off my board

>>3029167

so like, figure out where I want to place the subject?

>>3029183
If you're shit at it, use grid and guidelines. After some time you'd be able to draw perspectives without it.

>>3029186
that wasnt my implication and you know it
also why the fuck would i upload my work when making that post

blatantly salty faglord detected

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>>3029184
if you cant see the bottom of something, it implies you are above it.
if you cant see the top of something, it implies you are underneath it.
your picture mixes both of these in a way that makes it difficult for me to understand what i am looking at.

>>3029194
are you autistic? the knee is on the horizon line, I guess they were going for a "dynamic pose"

>>3029193

this is why anonymity can be cancer.

Oh well. these faggots are an inevitability.

>>3029201
then go to another community you fucking swine

>>3029194
Are you retarded?

>>3029195
Yes, the horizon line is on the knee, but the issues with scaling makes it really hard to understand whats going on.
For this perspective to work, the left feet has to be raised on a platform, or the viewer has to be at ground level. Neither of those options is portrayed accurately in the picture. Draw the horizon and try to make all the lines work, they just don't

>>3029202

How about your contribute instead of being a standardized version of everything that's wrong with /ic/ m8?

>>3027557
are you using a source?

I feel like that would help. Just look at lots of wooden balls and try to paint a specific one you like.

the last ball looks more wooden than the first two, but I wouldn't say it looks like wood.

>>3029194
>if you cant see the bottom of something, it implies you are above it.

What? What the fuck? What if it's tilted, the viewer is tilted, the HL is tilted? What if the bottom of something is not a plane?

>>3029208
Yeah, I tried looking at a bunch of wood shit, but I think I should try to paint other things and see if I have some "eureka" moment. Gonna read that scott's render book too.

>>3029125
you are symbol drawing facial structures (eyes, nose, mouth, etc.)

draw what you see, like you did with her body

>>3029194

>draws a cube
>"ITS A FUCKING CUBE"

wat

>>3027542
quit using graph paper

>>3029209
>what if its tilted
the "above" and "below" change based on that tilt.
>what if the bottom is something that is not a plane
like when you are shorter than someone and when you look up to them you see the bottom of there chin?

>>3029216
i draw what i see and i saw a fucking cube for a foot. sue me.

>>3029213
after browsing through some pick a specific one and try to paint it

don't look through a bunch and paint a ball that has features they share; pick one, and attempt to draw it as it is

>>3029207
ironic coming from Dunning-Kruger McGee

>>3029222
What the fuck is a bottom of a sphere? That is too vague to be something useful, is needs to be more precise. Like saying "if you look at a cube" or defining what kinds of objects would follow and what wouldn't follow that rule.

I know that's a bit autistic, but that's generally how geometry and all that shit is defined in books, so to not generate ambiguity or confusion.

>>3029230
i provided a picture, i thought that would clear up the ambiguity to a satisfactory standard. apparently not.

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how is this so far I barely started learning construction.

>>3029232
stop drawing on lined paper

ok

>>3029229
Had to search what Dunning Kruger is and how ironic it just made you look.

>>3029232
buy a sketchbook.

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How's this so far??

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>>3029232
head is far too large, its meant to be roughly 1/8th of your total height, not 1/4.

>>3029257
Please resize and rotate your images.

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>>3029259
female version of the image

it rotated on it's own

>>3029262
Stop phoneposting or get an app that'll let you rotate the images.

>>3029206
they're reaching their leg down and cautiously treading i don't know how many arrows annotations and background contours you need to understand that. the reason they imply you're looking down on the foot or up to the groin, is because you are.

>>3029026
gtfo beg

>>3027545
Very, very bad! Me disappoint! Need to work, now!

>>3027545
Because they're not honest like us, anon.

>>3029291
Do you live on ic?

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Help, /ic/
I fucked up my measurements and now I cant figure out how to put in this head and arm and keep proportions. Do I:
a) Just leave it as it is now and paint it in so that the piece is finished?
b) Study a bunch of anatomy to finish this piece?
c) Work with what I have by having her head and arm physically cut off?
d) Leave it, as I've already learnt what I needed to from it?
e) Something else (specify)

/beg/, the true test of skill is how well you can draw a penis. Do you have what it takes?

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>>3027477
Won't have the time to shade and finish this tonight. His forehead and the mid part of his face are both a bit too long and I still suck at jaw contours, but I feel it's close enough for me to not completely hate myself.

Any good general advice on shading?

>>3029369
Just draw it from sight? How hard can that be? Literally one of the first things /ic/ tells you to go learn.

>>3029043

How are you so good? You shouldn't be here. Very rare someone above your level comes here to give critiques.

Could I get critique on this please?

>>3029385
It's very minimalistic.

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AM I going to make it ?

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I keep trying to fix this but something about it just never looks right. What do you guys think?

I feel like it something wrong with the eyes in relation to the head or something but I feel like I'm taking shots in the dark trying to make it work.

>>3029379
what is "from sight"

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>>3029423
Look at this.
Look at your drawing.
Look at real Risky references.
You'll notice what's wrong.

>>3029430

Fuck, I see it now

Thanks

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I used a ref for the pose but I feel that her hip proportions aren't right. I know her anatomy isn't perfect and want a few specific suggestions.

>>3029446
leave /beg/

>>3029462
Me too, tell me too.

>>3029423
leave /beg/.

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>>3027471
I did this one, it's messy, but I can't help it. I'm thinking on starting to use pens to prevent myself from rashly scribbling all over the place, does anyone have any good recommendation for what Pen and paper have the best synergy?

>>3029470
Top 10 Hottest Aliens from Movies and TV

>>3029471
Col-erase are literally the only pencils I can tolerate, that's why it's green. But I appreciate the compliment, if that was your intention

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polish that turd nice and bright

>>3029465

Why? Did I do something wrong?

>>3029501
No, NoseBro is just a prick.

I would suggest going to the alternative art general instead. There's usually a much wider range of skill there and usually most Anime esque shit is posted there.

>>3029501
He means you're too good for /beg/, which I personally disagree with.

the first head you draw that your phone recognises as a face =3

>>3029494

Study skulls.

Study each features of the face. Nose, Eye, Lips.

After about 50 to 100 of those come back to this photo.

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day 4 or so of feet.
right track? current level?

>>3029537
The concave part of the inner part of the sole should be more emphasised than that (particularly the bottom left two)

>>3029542
right you are. good shout. also only the bottom left centre one, the outside of the foot has less of a concave.

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>>3027476
okay how do you get past the point of symbol drawing and into drawing from shapes?

>>3029561
draw what you see instead of what you think you see

spend more than 3 minutes on a drawing

>>3029573
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>>3029573
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>>3029569
what about this

>>3029501
that wasnt actually me sadly. you stay beg

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l wish l was good at art but l don't know where to begin