/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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how do i render smaller forms? (hands and feet)

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how i can draw girls with dicks better /ic/?

>>3025241
Fix your proportions. Learn better rendering. Learn more appealing design for the face and other things.

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Getting closer, but still miles off. Aside from the obvious shrunken mass of hair, too much of the right side of his face is visible and his left eye is too small.

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I'm going to repost, just once. I promise to not take up another post in this thread unless I may.

I'm just looking to find out what's wrong with it. There are a lot of things, but I can't tell what

>>3025247
both eyes are too small and at the wrong place
also the right side of the face, that one line should bend a little differently and lacks the shading to highlight the skull/cheek's shape more

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>>3025243
yeah sure i can check those out during next week and slowly apply changes to get away from current style
what id want to eventually evolve into is the kind of shit drakon rekka does

>>3025247
are you using a conte stick? use vine instead.
also look at the left side of his cheek it looks good because of gradations of value and the line defining it is one of the brightest points not a black line. try toning down your paper then working with an eraser for the lights and a piece of charcoal for the darks.

also make the eyes bigger. try to do a really loose and light sketch first to put everything in the right place then work in the detail.

>>3025249
eyes are to high up neck should be very slightly thinner that adams apple is fucked

Me and a friend are doing draw a box and are on the animal lesson. Can we get critiques?

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>>3025255

Here's the first animal, we both did Stags.

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Is there a chance for me to make it one day ?

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>>3025256
>>3025256

whoops wrong pic but heres the stag

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>>3025255
>>3025256
>>3025259
and heres the stag i did, the tiger is my friends

>>3025229
Assuming your document is at a usable resolution, squint/ unfocus your eyes at the hand to get the largest shapes you see. If you are seeing more and 2 or 3 major shapes, squint harder. Then the next largest, and so on. Big to small. If you know how to paint your primary forms (boxes, cylinders, spheres) you are already well on your way.

It's important to combine your knowledge of anatomy; balance what you see and what you know. That way you aren't a slave to the reference, and eventually have more freedom to dabble in design. (Don't take that as a knock against using ref, keep using ref)

TL;DR Big to small.

>>3025253
Oh right, I see it now. Nothing about the ears though?
Thank you; I won't necessarily change it but something to bear in mind the next time I'm drawing a human

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>>3025259
>>3025261
the reference pic we both used

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>>3025250
By "that one line" I assume you mean this one?

>>3025252
I'm just using regular HB leads, thinking of going out and grabbing a 4B pencil or something. My scanner likes to eat most of the nuances leaving only bright grays or pitch blacks with barely anything inbetween, the right side was originally a bit more shaded.

Definitely going to try the toning + eraser thing next time.

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How the fuck do you expect me to learn all this fucking anatomy when there's fucking hundreds of bones and muscles and thousands of ways each of them can move?
Like there's no fucking way I'm remembering how the fucking deltoid anterior fibers and the clavicle interact with each other when you're scratching your ass.

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11 years of practice and I'm still not skilled enough to leave /beg/

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>>3025255

Im still struggling with the Draw a box animal lesson, here s horse I did

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>>3025265
yeah
and the shading where I drew the two lines, so that it gains depth, and doesn't look so two dimensional
but careful, only a little

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Sorry about the quality. What needs work?

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>>3025219

I NEED TIPS

TIPS FOR LIPS

>>3025275
Those are some nice lips, good job.

>>3025251
Holy shit that some nasty ass abs and what the fuck is that hand.

>>3025266
Depends how deep in anatomy you want to get. After a decent amount of mileage though, be surprised how much of that detail becomes second nature.

>>3025267
Hyperbolic I'm sure. Look up deliberate practice techniques. They may only account for -20% of ability, but they are still important.

>>3025272
Would keep working on perspective. Try using cross contours and more overlapping forms for a while to help pop out the otherwise flat symbols. Not bad on the line quality though.

>>3025241
>.01/10

how do i stop fucking procrastinating

>>3025266
You have all of your lifetime to learn it, it's alright. Doctors learn that shit within like a year.

>>3025283
do something besides procrastinate... starting now.

>>3025283
set your alarm clock to 7am, go to bed at 11pm tonight. when you wake up, immediately take a shower, eat breakfast or whatever is your usual routine and once you're done, just fucking draw. no unnecessary electronic devices or other distractions until you've spent some substantial time and effort on drawing.

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>>3025283

Pic related really helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZoVqGEe3Zs

I can now manage to do 10 hours a day now because of it. 16 hours a day when not working a dead end crappy IT Job.

Been doing this for six months. Really depressed through.

Would recommend drawabox and Scott Robertson books.

>>3025308
Mind posting your work? Curious as to where you are after six months of drawing so much.

>>3025308
how the fuck do you work and do 10 hours in one day

>>3025308
>>3025310
I wonder too

>tfw can't get through Robetrson's book and would rather draw from imagination as much as possible

>>3025275
Just have to hammer in more contrast. Bring in cast shadow, and get a highlight on the highest planes relative to hour light source. Still looking good though.

>>3025283
Identify the source. No, stop rolling your eyes and listen gaylord; you want to get over this or not? Right. Now then. Really ask yourself why, and when you come up with an answer, ask why that's the case.Then analyze and pose solutions to those answers. Some say 5 whys, but different for each person.

Example
I procrastinate. Why?
I'd rather fap/ game. Why?
Because I'm avoiding work. Why?
Because all my work looks like shit. Why?
Because I fap instead of working.
//Hitting a loop is normal, but there's almost always something else at work you've not considered//
Analyzing...ah yes! The Self-Fuckery Cycle
Overly self-critical -> Avoidance - > Cope Fapping/ Video Games/ Youtube Loop/ etc

How to fix? Focus on the process of improvement. Find how to enjoy the daily routines involved in leveling up. Forget about making pretty things to post, that's an ego trap that will fuck you up more often than not. If you can't find genuine pleasure in the practice of drawing daily, this may not be for you.

Now it's your turn, but don't post your answer. This is a personal conversation you need to have with yourself. Also none of us care all that much.

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fuuuuark

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>>3025323
I procrastinate because I know I am not going to improve anyway, no matter what I do, and this comes from someone who has drawn almost every single day in the past. I cant do it now anymore, im still in the /beg/ thread and my drawings are awful, I am not improving so any motivation is just gone. Procrastinating is so easy for me now because I know if im gonna put effort into practicing im not going to improve anyway.

>>3025336
That's stupid and completely illogical, because you can always improve and you improve every single time you draw as long as it's not the exact same thing. You're eyes probably just suck or you're convincing yourself you aren't improving so you can quit like a pathetic faggot. Study up on the fundamentals again, it's impossible to not improve unless you're not trying. If you don't want to, then just quit and leave. You'll live a happier life.

>>3025282
well i havent drawn shit in half years coz ive been doin music that all time, ofc it looks bad
i never said im a pro i just did free requests tonight and asked for opinions from you so that i can do better next time

>>3025249
Face is too long. Eyes too high and too wide. Face is about 4 eyes wide as a basic rule of thumb.

>>3025336
Okay anon, let's take a look at this from a different point of view.

Anyone who has done the journey of art progression wanted art skills so much that they felt like they had no choice but to go through the grind even if there was a possibility that they would never improve.

So how much do you want art skills? From what you're saying, your fear of failing is overriding your desire to get good. You desire to avoid facing failure more than you desire art skills. It's as simple as that. So all you have to do is ask yourself what do you want and how much do you want it. If you want to improve, practice. If not, you will never improve.

Improvement isn't an accident or by chance. Your mindset is that if you practice you will somehow magically gain levels. You're upset because it's not happening. It will never happen like that. That's not how practice works.

Practice is deliberate every step of the way. You learn how to improve, how to do it better. Skill is something you build, step by step. You draw something, you study what needs work and how to do it better, then you apply. You are doing each step, solving each problem, moving on to the next level.

If you practice in this way, there is no reason why you should not improve. There is no reason why you can't learn how to do something if you're applying yourself. Drawing is a skill like anything else. You've learned many other skills in your life haven't you? There are probably some things you are an expert at. So how is learning to draw any different? If you want it enough, you can deliberately practice and improve one step at a time no matter what.

>>3025336
Thats not true.

Thats why I make sure to never comepletely erase my canvas and just hide layers so I can look back and see my improvement.

When should I start drawing from imagination?

>>3025421
Whenever you aren't studying. It's useful to apply your studies to imagination or else you'll have trouble connecting them later on as well.

>>3025272
work on your lines. They seem to mostly be the same weight, lack any dynamics etc. If you're not shading and therefore use outlines, you need dynamic line weight

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>>3025272

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>>3025335

>>3025457
didnt write clearly enough, so:
closer to middle
symmetry: both lips arent sem height
eyebrows need to touch the profile
the nasolabial line start from THE NASO ( nose)
and neck usually has a bit of tilt.

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>>3025457
thanks i waited that advice.

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>>3025470
fuck off out of beg come on.

>>3025484
I think it's supposed to be stylized bangs

>>3025486
Nah, it was an ear
t. drawer of that pic

>try drawing a figure from imagination
>realize i shattered its spine a few minutes later
wew lad im in for a long grind

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>>3025488
ok now go to the alt thread.

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how do i stop chicken scratching
i try to make one confident stroke but i always feel the need to go over it a couple of times

>>3025514
How did you manage to craft a style out of it? What the fuck? Keep at it Ruan Jia.

>chicken scratch in sketchpad
>smooth confident lines on screen tablet

what the fug

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>read sticky in beg thread.
>do exercises the sticky recommends
>post progress in /beg/ of said exercises
>"lol anon those excersizes are such a waste of time"
>I stop doing exercises, start making some oc.
>Posts oc in /beg/ thread.
>"You are too unskilled to be focusing on oc, you need to spend more time doing these excersizes in the sticky."
>"anon did you even read the fucking sticky you retard?"
>I start doing exercises again. Posts progress in /beg/ and asks for advice on exercises.
>"anon that exercise is the perfect example of a waste of time"

Jesus fucking christ you guys. I love this board but what's the point of these /beg/ threads?

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>>3025514
I suggest you work with ink in your sketchbook since you can't erase it and it forces you to be deliberate. Also visualize the line before you start drawing.

>>3025526
What exercises were you trying to do though?

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>>3025544
The ones in the Vilppu manual most of this board says to check out.

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I'm trying torso without reference, # for order

>>3025552
You been drawing a while?

>>3025556
I started like a month ago

>>3025558
Fuck you.

>>3025558
>this good
>after a month
There's no need to lie here. You studied a ton in the past and just didn't want to say, right?

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Which of these heads do you feel has proportions inconsistent with the others? Specifically interested in the vertical proportions between the brow, eyes, nose and chin.

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>>3025564
>>3025571
I'm the guy who did this, and everything I did as kid was doodles of monsters without form.

>>3025592
I remember seeing this, that wasn't a month ago was it? You've improved. What did you do to improve? Study in any specific way?

>>3025564
>>3025571
people always "start drawing" when they do it seriously for the first time. Even picassos quote "It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child" is an example of the mental gymnastics people go through to say they don't not have talent. (Picasso was classically trained from childhood so fuck off)

>>3025592
nice to see ya again!

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>>3025597
look at my own body and then try to recreate my male body into female body just add some hips
.>>3025602
thanks for your help, remember this? that was the first time I saw you

>>3025618
>tfw keep redlining the same person by accident

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>they actually used my pic for the OP
I want to commit sudoku

>>3025634
gonna make it

>>3025634
let this experience motivate you to do better

>>3025634
You drew loomis? Holy shit, I can't believe it!

>>3025634
who is this sticky pixie?

>>3025634
You're etched in history!

>>3025666
Bakara from Dofus Livre I, a french animated movie that is a tie in to an MMO, no english dub
If you have a fetish for drunk girls she gets super drunk in the scene that pic is from

>>3025257
Sure!

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so i tried with airbrush this time
i can't grasp on it, foot is not like foot

>>3025674
Thank you, I do like some drunkass girls.

>>3025678
>6 toes

>>3025682
aw shit gonna fix it anyway

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I'm practicing my painting, what should I do to improve?

>>3025695
textures.and the light reflections coming from them. and those bullets.

>>3025678
you have a mismatch between the viewing angle of the palm of the foot, and the form of the ankle.

>>3025698
>and those bullets

What's wrong with them?

What are some good resources for drawing hands and feet?

>>3025704
books and reference photos

>>3025703
they are dicks. not rendered bullets.

What's a good exercise for practicing values?

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>>3025678
shit i think it;s failed

>>3025713
Do value studies.

>>3025713
Studying values

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>>3025713
practice this shit 7 times
i said 7 times

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how does one "make it"

>>3025728
What the fuck are the koreans teaching?

>>3025728
translate it gooks

>>3025729
git gud™

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>>3025730
>>3025731
A: Brightest
B: Bright mid
C: Dark (core shadow)
D: Dark mid
E: Reflected light
F: Shadow

i'm shit but tried

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Do any of your guys have any tricks for measurement on paint programs?

Just like a ruler or something to help with proportion when setting up figures?

Or are you guys just all eyeballing it and its something that comes with experience?

Every time i think im shit at art, i have you guys to cheer me up

>>3025634
I hope today's exchange served a little to right your course

>>3025736
I know what is wrong but it is hard to find the set of words that would best convey how to improve. Do you have a specific question?

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>>3025634
Don't feel so bad anon. They've used mine as the OP as well.

>>3025740
I guess I was just looking for some tips on how to always get correct body porportions. Like I always have a problem where either my arms are too short. My torso is longer than my legs, etc.

I guess this is down to inexperience. But if there was like an on screen ruler or something digital artists use I would love to know.

>>3025736
pull out a ruler and place it on your screen. You are better off eye balling thought, building up that skill or everything you draw will be stiff as fuck forever

>>3025741
what are you like nowadays?
>>3025743
the thing is, as a rule of thumb i dont answer questions that are based in impatience. The answers can be literally anything. Just know that once youve gained an INTUITIVE grasp of what you're doing, nothing else matters. Some pros never gain intuitiveness and that slows them down and may even hurt them. Just know that what you're being thought right now is irrelevant at the peak of art. No matter how you go about it, you eventually reach your stride. In your case if you know your torso and legs are too short too long that's not really a question. You know how to fix that.

>>3025741
>i tried.jpg

It's obvious that you didn't. Scribbling for 5 minutes is not "trying."

>>3025750
>pull out a ruler and place it on your screen.
come on man. Stop being retarded lol

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Ignoring the halfassed render job, or not.
What are the flaws I'm not seeing. I already know about the hideous fish face and hands but I'm overlooking all the other stuff I'm sure is there.

Johj?

>>3025728
But how can I practice on this?

There are letters so my L-side is always toggling on :(

>>3025757
its at the level where words cant describe it anymore, youd have to get a redline. Though i heavily dislike it, i think you should leave beg to get some good crits.

I'd recommend you move from celshading to painting as well.

>>3025754
>what are you like nowadays?

>>3025736
it's me... little improvement. But at least I know what to study instead of hopelessly using symbols.

Thanks for your help nosebro. You've helped me in multiple treads you probably don't even know it.

>>3025762
>So bad it needs a higher level of skill to effectively dissect it
Ouch. But thanks. Let's see what the big boy threads have to say.

>>3025765
what i said was that screaming at you to read the sticky has its limits, and your mistakes are uniformly distributed over your drawing so anything short of a redline is a pain.
>>3025763
I mean what does your art look like nowadays

From what ive heard today it seems as though my selection of what to crit relegates me to a specific selection of artists. Not a bad thing just something i hadn't considered.

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>>3025769
ehh.. only since you asked. This is the only finished thing I have done. All of my oc makes me cringe. I wasn't even aiming for furshit but it just ended up working.

I don't even try to make art anymore. I just do studies and exercises in hopes that when I have the courage to make oc again it wont look like >>3025741 again.

>>3025778
You posted this a while ago, what have you done lately? post your studies if you have to.

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>>3025778
this is twice in a row you make the same mistake. Draw your neck as a cylinder no matter what until you can organically fuse it.

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>>3025214
Fuck that left arm and hand

Also I should probably start drawing clothes and textiles in general, gave up on the left side

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>>3025786

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>>3025380
>wide
Thank you. I know you told me that it is more valuable to just move on and draw another head, but is this any better?

what will you draw when you make it anon?

>>3025793

>>3025794
>>3025793
Are you ok?

>>3025760
>traditional
https://youtu.be/nMyQpAcCyXs

i couldn't find proper video in digital

you can do this same pattern in digital
also apply it more complex things
first. try it basic shapes.. object is next

>>3025783
I really haven't been saving my studies. I draw before bed and just shut off my computer with sai running so it doesn't save. I can start saving and posting them to these threads if it can be beneficial.

>>3025786
>>3025789
man I only thought symbols could be mouths, nose and eyes. No idea my other body parts were symbols as well. This is really valuable that you pointed that out to me.

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I've been doing loads of line strength, basic form and rectangle-derived perspective drawings, but how do I bridge the gap from lines and shapes to studying portraits and figures like the the reccs at the start of the thread? I'm thinking construction and values, but which books are good introductions for those?

>>3025803
>can already draw fat people
>asking how to draw real people
You're like half way there already.

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>>3025796
Shit, i used my fingers for this.

Cool stuff tho.

I'm super new so rekt me.

>>3025810
come on go fucking darker are you blind?

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trying to get better at value, how am I doing?

>>3025812
I'm happy right now. Not going darker than that.

>>3025804
not my gondola

>>3025757
Other then her LOOOOONG neck its generally ok, if we are ignoring the fingers and face. Be careful with scarfs m8

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>>3025220
First post here, started trying to practice a lot like 4 days ago. This got fucked to hell by symbol drawing, right? That's why I let the tilt completely fucking disappear, and why the eyes are deep-one tier huge?
Will I actually get better at this if I'm aware of that and consciously try to avoid it with more shit like this, or should I be doing something else to practice? I really really don't want to end up like the deviantart stereotype

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im lazy, need tips

>>3025848
eyes are huge

>>3025848
use a pencil and paper

go draw still lives for a month and refine your observational skills - faces are too difficult at this stage

>>3025848
You could have done a lot worse and seem to be conscious of your mistakes, so I'd say you have all prerequisites to be able to get good some day.

Try simpler subjects (faces are notoriously hard for beginners) or do it again with the reference flipped upside down. Make sure to measure things more carefully and compare horizontal and vertical alignments of different facial features to ensure they don't get misaligned.

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>>3025878
>>3025881
Alright cool, you guys wouldn't happen to have any recommendations for easier subject matter while I'm at that? The only things I really want to draw are faces and figures and obviously that's not looking too hot right now

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I am obsessed with the work of The Pit, please tell me everything I need to learn / work on to match his skills

>>3025905
are you really tho? Once you have drawn for 1 day maybe 2, you will probly see the flaws of this hack. Who the fuck hyper stretches their leg while walking out.

>>3025914
>Who the fuck hyper stretches their leg while walking out.
A young and impressed hyper-slut, trying to seduce a stranger.

what is the hack you are talking about ?

>>3025885
I really like this. Not sure why though, it might just be MSPaint

>>3025914
stop replying to bait

you'll lead a better life

>>3025999
why are you namefagging? im confused

>>3026021
Oh god, sorry; I was in the /LAS/ thread and I namefag there because I participate sometimes. I forgot to delete the field

There we go

>>3025885
Okay new but completely related question.
So I'm having a fucking ton of fun drawing faces and figures even though I know I'm garbage at it, but any still life stuff I can think of practicing seems mind shatteringly uninteresting for me. Am I not going to get better if I stick to these things at the expense of simpler stuff?

>>3026031
keep namefagging :)

>>3026050
if your artistic goal is to draw faces and only faces, drawing flowers or buildings would just be a waste of your time

if you want a broad skillset and break up the monotony of only drawing the same thing forever, draw different types of subjects

Should I practice rendering too if I'm just starting out?

And should I focus on perspective first before anything else?

>>3026106
doesnt matter just draw what you like and draw lots of it. post in this thread and we will tell you waht youre lacking.

>>3026108
Real talk Nosebro what's preventing everyone from impersonating you

>>3026147
practice your figures weight

shoulders bend down on the side they put the weight on but you have their leg up in the air on that side.

>>3026158
i correct posts by me that i dont like. anyone someone says nosebro ill see the comment because thats how i filter.

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>>3025220
Measurement errors all over that throw off the entire thing and I fucked up hard with the lips.

>>3026196
the guys right eye got depressed, should pull back more, looks like it got scrunched forward.

>>3026199
yeah, there are a lot of subtleties that completely make or break a face. I guess I'm nearing the point where I pick up Hampton and start learning how faces actually work instead of trying to guess every time.

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I'm >>3023836 from the last thread and i tried something new. Some advice ? Especially with the eye. I tried my best with the values but it's a bit hard with so much dark.

>>3026315
i forgot to mention it's not really finished. Tried to use big to small brushstrokes. This is why her body is not that well rendered

So I'm getting bored of drawing cubes and squishy blobs on my sketchbook when do I get to draw girls with huge tits

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How do I place 2 point perspective objects into 1 point perspective room?

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>>3025213
why furfags are so fucking privileged and retarded? im not gonna do a 50 page comic about piss fetish for free in full colour, fuck you
I wish there was alternatives to making it as an artist without having to deal with creeps and weirdos. Sexy art is fine, furries are not
It literally feels like Chris chans out of moms money and wants me to do endless sonic shit

pic related and meme thats relatable to my feels

>>3026354
What's stopping you? Draw it and see how shit it is then go back to studying.

>>3026361
by reading the op.

>>3026372
Everyone's already posting their stuff here (granted it's mostly potato heads and misshapen bodies) but I'm supposed to grind out drawabox and vilppu's beans before I even start drawing people.

what's going on

>>3026361
you dont.

>>3026373
>>3026379
Sorry about the size. I'll adjust it next time, but honestly after reading perspective made easy I still have no idea how to place chair that's not pararell to the desk in that perspective, but it must be possible without making it look wonky.

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I've having trouble figuring out where to go from here.

>>3025275
no need to add lines where they don't exist, anon

also the shape you drew doesn't match the actual shape of the lips, try working with just bw values and keep an eye out for negative shapes and edges (try not to use lines as an exercise)

good effort though, that ref is hella subtle and tricky

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Does anyone have a picture of a stone brick wall and pavement with sunlight that I can use as reference?

>>3026388
Nevermind. I got it. For anyone intrested there's Meyer's video about that from gnomon.

>>3026390
Start adding shading and value, begin rendering

Is it cheating if I periodically superimpose my sketch over the reference to help recognize glaring mistakes?

>>3026422
Yes. Only do this after finishing the sketch.

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Are these beginner level? People say I'm intermediate. Not sure.

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I fucked up the hands

>>3026432
Commendable effort my friend. However I would check the values again and the concentration of some of your lines. Check the right shoulder. The shade there isn't nearly as dark and could be blended in a bit more. Just pass over the drawing a few times and double check all the time.

>>3026432
His right arm (left from our side) looks a bit big. It really pops out at you. Compare with ref's deltoid and biceps

>>3026432
His right arm is too long because you made his torso too long (or rather, didn't get the torso angle quite right). His head is also a bit too big.

is it worth getting a drawing tablet or am i good with just pencil and paper. i asked a friend and they just pulled some rant on how good his 9000000000000000000000000 pound tablet was and i should invest in the future

>>3026438
>>3026440
>>3026447
Thanks for the feedback! Now comparing the ref and the drawing I see that I really need to focus more on the proportions.

>>3026431
Neither—you're much better. When did you start and how do you practice?

>>3026431
How do I construct like that figure in the bottom left?

>>3026452
This was on one of my better days though. I can only draw like that very rarely. I still think of myself as a beginner-intermediate. Mostly when drawing I try to check my angles, ask myself "does the figure REALLY look like that?" and when doing shading I try and look back and forth as much as possible to see if the values are too light or heavy. I've been drawing all of my life but very much on and off. It's only in 2017 that I've started to take it seriously.

I hate to dissapoint but I don't have much info on construction. I just copied the bottom left from an image. I would recommend Andrew Loomis though, but I'm sure you've heard of that guy.

>>3026404
>23 layers

anon...

>>3026460
We all have bad days too. That's really cool though. What references do you draw from?

>>3026404
I don't remember there being a big stone thing covering up shit on the reference picture you posted last time.

>>3026471
>tfw regularly go past 150 layers
am i beyond saving

Is it better to practice in my sketchbook with pencil or with pen?

>always sucked at drawing
>picked up Loomis's book on figures
>after reading the intro realize it may be too advanced
Should I start somewhere else or keep going? I'd like become decent at drawing friends, family, gf, etc

>>3025848

you may find it more helpful to draw the face multiple times. First time you draw it like an instagram-tier photocopier, wherein you just draw what you see as lines and color (well, value) fields. That is, it should 99% match the photo you're working with. It shouldn't be thinking about form, just contour and measurement etc.

Then go back again and draw a very simple deconstruction in form, then a more complex one, then more and more complex, while looking up references on how to construct noses if you can't figure it out on your own.

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>>3026540
Oh yeah and feel free to have a laugh, my attempts always crack me up

>>3026540
If you're just looking to draw from life gets Keys to Drawing. Basically the handbook on training your eye.

>>3026431
>>3026452
>>3026460
It depends if those images can from your imagination or from a reference and if you can apply them to actually tell a story, if i asked you to draw out a sword fight from your imagination would you be able to do it?

>>3026514
Both, a combination, none, it's all good.

>>3026375
It's also important to have some fun while doing art. You can draw boxes and beans next to your big tiddies and try to use them already.

>>3026543
I smirked

>>3026543
Try using a ruler and a sharpened pencil, nobody expects you to be able to freehand perspective lines as a beginner

>>3025422
rate my cock you large penises

>>3026623
You use so such a small range of values that scrolling past the image it just appears as an uninteresting flesh-coloured blob. I personally like my flesh-coloured blobs more in the style of Francis Bacon.

You are going to make it.

>>3025788
looks like the left cheek is pressed against glass; the sudden dark to light and then darker area within that indicates a flattened sphere; I guess be more gradual with those tones, and especially dont have that darker tone toward the top left of the cheek come from nowhere, as it indicates a concave shape.

>>3026631
are you telling me to paint francis bacon with a flesh coloured blob?

i feel like this is my calling in art

>>3026655
go go go

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From imagination. I would have reduced the number of lines in the left arm but at this point I'm kinda fed up with it.

>>3026665
It looks like a great contender for the next OP image

>>3026665
it's how i imagine a paralysed man looks in the Swiss clinic just after they give him the cocktail of barbiturates

if thats what you were going for well done, if not oh well

>no rules, just tools
What exactly does this mean?

>>3026694
it means that you're allowed to use anything and everything to get to the result you want

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>>3026657
why did you encourage this

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>>3025214

>>3026713
nice bacon

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pls rate anatomy

first time on a tablet in a long time

Can someone draw a tall sexy DFC girl?

Is it bad to use stabilizers a lot?
I've got really shaky hands so I use them often.

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Do you drink alcohol /ic/?

>>3026315

The other eye is bulging out...

>>3026786
Just like any kind of other tool, there's no problem in using it if it's not a crutch to hide some deficiency in your technique (which seems to be the case). Do fast, arm strokes and get more confident in your lines before deciding to use it as a tool, not to compensate for anything else.

Should i dry a perspective grid every time i make a drawing that involves perspective as to get the hang of it?

>>3026850
>dry
Draw*

>>3026786

Is it a condition that you have? If not then don't. Do lines, curves, simple shapes to train your hand. Fill 2 to 3 pages everyday before doing anything else.

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>>3026792

>>3026432
Good but values are a little patchy and flat. Remember that you are rendering form, not just marking shadows. You should be showing planes and gradations of value.

>>3025547
I actually remember you a few threads back. That anon who told you the exercises were a waste of time was a moron. Either that, or they meant to say it's a waste of time to practice exercises without understanding why you're doing them.

Either way, as a general rule of thumb, you should mostly ignore any of the comments in these threads that don't provide any sort of reasoning behind what they're saying, because you'll likely run into a bitter cunt who has nothing helpful to say

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>>3026876
one more before bed

>>3026792
Cleavage won't look like that unless wearing a padded bra.

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Rate my Helix, friends?

>>3026919
yo her left shoulder is fucked all the way up

How do I get good at human body perspective?

>>3026649
yeah, now that you pointed that out it looks very clear to me, thanks anon

>>3025213
Hey anons how the fuck did you guys get out of symbol drawing

>>3026961
by drawing what i see

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>>3025219

>>3026961
ha ha ha , still doing it my dude
;_;

>>3026961
do studies of images upside down. Symbol drawing happens because you see something like an eye and go "okay, I'll just draw an eye here", instead of drawing what you're actually seeing. Doing an upside down study helps you to see the object as a relationship between actual shapes, as opposed to just falling back on what you think you know

It also helps to measure as best as you can, measurements don't lie

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Do bodies twist like that?

>>3026988
That's not even twisted.

>>3026988
your vanishing points are too close homie

>>3027000
I didn't know that was a thing. Why can't vanishing points be too close?

>>3027005
you can think of it like a camera, and moving the vanishing points closer or farther changes the type of lens. having them that close together messes things up since it's not how the human eye sees at all, and is closer to a fisheye lens. there would be way more distortion in how everything looks if you wanted to draw it accurately with the points so close. look up 'field of view' and 'focal length'.

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I have no fucking clue how to draw faces from this angle. Even looking at my own face, I can't figure out a way to draw it that actually appeals to me. I tried looking up some things about drawing faces from different angles but even beyond the face itself (which I think I could maybe get to work better for me with more fiddling), the way the neck and chin attach is a bigger roadblock.

>>3027015
How do you determine what is too close and what is just right?

>>3027023
Not him, but check out Scott Robertson's How to Draw, he addresses this exact concern of yours very well

>>3027029
Thanks, I'll try to find the pdf or just buy it.

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Can you guys guess what this ball is made off?

>>3027038
plastic

>>3027038
first of all i would say its a badge, since theres no roundness in the texture.

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>>3027047
>>3027048
Fucking hell, I can't paint any texture in this world right. What am I missing?

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in setember will make one year that i "learned" loomis and started drawing faces, still is maddening the way im still so off, how? what am i doing wrong i am desperate

>>3027056
I just don't think you're measuring enough.

>>3027056
try drawing individual ares, just draw his nose until its right or just his eyes then bring it all together

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I'm stopping with this face... Tried to fix thing to get some likeness only to fuck it up. Maybe I should paint fruit or animals for a few days before starting with face again.

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So my personal observation trying to understand figure construction, it's much less beneficial drawing over an image than it is to look at it from the side and draw it on a blank canvas.
My mind really wants to trace when i'm drawing over something for reference.

I'm probably not going to do that anymore.

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>>3027107

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need better

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>>3026499
there was but in a different angle

>>3027129
What are heigh guidelines?

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hey guys, how would I go about making lines like this? so smooth and nice

>>3025241
>>3025251
is this really what you wanna achieve? is this what you're learning for?
world is a big, strange place

>>3027163
practice line drawing with shoulder
draw a tons of straight clean line every day.

practice connect stroke to stroke

study lineweight

>>3025848
You're starting on adding detail too soon. The folds of the eyes or the cheekbones should be done at the end. Not tge begining.

>>3026147
Her legs don't appear to be facing the right direction.

>>3027056
nigger one year is too long stop fucking symbol drawing

learn to draw what you fucking see, to do that you need to practice values and rendering, it will improve your sight and how you measure distances and sizes

you're just not observing it well enough, in both of them you drew the eyes and the mouth in the wrong angle, look at the angle before you draw, you know it's not fucking straight, you are not blind, you can see they're titled, then draw them tilted

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>>3027159

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>>3027113
Your gestures and construction are really stiff. Not sure why you're dividing the body that way. There's a better way of doing the torso, and that is to separate between the ribcage and the pelvis. Then connect via a soft midsection that twists and bends. Learn your landmarks instead of guessing where parts end and begin. Also if you're going to trace, do it right, mark where the pelvis and ribcage are. Find the center line and the spine. Trace the abdomen to see how it stretches. Find the beginning of the legs and arms. Mark the clavicles.

Also read Michael Hampton's book. It will help you a lot.

Are there any value cheat sheets for the human body? Kind of like how on the face, the brow, forehead, cheeks and nose tend to be brighter. Lower lip brighter than upper. That kind of stuff.

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>I'm so shit at drawing I can't even draw shit like this if I wanted to.
>Cant even make decent stick figures.

This world wasn't meant for me.

>>3027208
I don't intend to trace. I wont ever learn anything from that.

Thank you for your tips. I am going to try some stuff out of Michael's book tomorrow!

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Tablet drawing is hard.

>>3027241
just draw with a mouse

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>>3027038
I-is this more like wood?

>>3027257
>not drawing with mousekeys

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>>3027258
is this what you're going for?
regular wood doesn't look like that

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I am thinking of doing a project, where I have to measure up my room and the most significant objects in it, make a plan and then draw it all accurately in Perspective.
If I can make this work, I should be able to design any environment by studying it's proportions, right?

>>3027261
Yes, this type of wood. Should have made it redder.

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>>3027266
I was taught a method to do that in a drafting class from my architecture major a few years ago. I wish i had a name for you. It looks exactly like this pic i fished from google looking up 'drawing perspective with floorplans'. I've skimmed through robertsons book and i think he teaches something similar.

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>>3027163
>those nipples

>>3027051
>>3027258
Your form study is lacking. Those do not look like spheres and is mainly why your textures don't work.

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>>3027291
This is the base I did for the sphere, is it wrong?

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droping this before the thread ends

>>3027297
COLOR IDENTITY
https://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

>>3027306
Oh, shit, that's actually a nice page, gonna read it all. Thanks, man.

Also, I see now it makes sense to not go overboard with highlights, but that left cylinder isn't "wrong", right?

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Critique just finished this fanart of the movie black butler

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>>3025214
how do you approach shading?

>>3027385
Go darker and darker until you realized you messed up then start over correctly the next time.

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Learning to draw from imagination here.
Can anyone comment on iterative drawing https://youtu.be/k0ufz75UvHs?t=9m31s to 13m

I'm actually learning a lot about whatever I'm studying even though I'm just starting out with anatomy, seeing what's wrong and doing another take on it. The grind is extreme though, but apparently it's required if you try to cram so much information so quickly.

Anyone else done this?

>>3027411
Why is the first one so much better than all the other ones? Drawing from imagination by the way is just drawing from memory.

>>3027412
First one was referenced detail for detail.
The rest are changing features to see what makes a skull look like a skull and also no reference until completed.

>spend half hour drawing portrait
>do tons of fucking tweaks and adjustments
>wow it really looks like the ref
>do over lay
>a few things are slightly off, mouth is wrong size, eyes aren't on the right plane, face is slightly too wide.
>fix them so that its almost literally traced
>doesn't look like the ref

why

Is gesture drawing the best to focus on for someone who can draw monsters and inhuman things but can't into human anatomy and proportions ?

think i might be retarded

>>3027425
I believe in you!

>>3027421
Tracing makes you lose the subtle things like line weight. Also, you didn't spend all that much time either.

>>3027427
i didnt trace. i said i made the adjustments with transform and move so that things line up perfectly AS IF it were traced. but it resembles the ref less than it did before

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>>3025220
First attempt at water color.
How do you get proportions right with only applying the color?
Do you draw an outline/sketch before that?

>>3027430
Try to mirror both the ref and your drawing.

>>3027447
what does that mean

>>3027448
That means you could be too used to your drawing and the ref, try to compare them mirroed and see if that's the case. Could just not be too, idk.

>>3027448
>>3027447
wait do you mean have them 'facing' each other in the two windows?

>>3027470
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>>3025213
CAn someone critique my demon please im new to cintiq too first time im using photoshop to color how am I doing, please dont insult too much i been scared to post but i think this is ok

>>3026398
>dont add any lines meme

stfu you stupid fucking nooob lines are a good way to start you can shade them after

>>3026431
porportions are all wrong mate keep practicing though shading is okish but again needs some work