/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

i give up

>>2977822
Damn, this pose is so stiff.
She should have done gestures.

>>2977832
:(

>>2977832
why

>>2977832
you will never draw the perfect anime tiddie with that attitude.

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In this thread, intended for beginners, am I actually getting criticism from beginners, just like me, instead of people who have a good grounding in the subject?

>>2977882
beginners

leave this place before you fall into a rut and go to /ic/'s discord and post your beginner work there so people who are established can give feedback

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>>2977885
Link that shit right now senpai

>>2977882
Most of the crits are from autistic shitters who think they're good like the Yuuka poster.

>>2977892
that guy is precisely the reason i stopped posting here

i'm not saying feedback and thoughts from other beginners is bad but why get it when there are better resources

>>2977822
What an awful reference. Deepest respect if anyone can make this look good on paper.

>>2977832
Don't give up yet. Maybe you have to take a step back and that's okay. /ic/ can be really demotivating depending on your mindset. Drawing is a wonderful hobby and I hope you can go back to enjoying it.

>>2977882
Mostly beginners, I think. Sometimes intermediate artists take the time to answer some questions or do some redlines, but personally I visit these threads rarely. At this stage the best tip is to just keep drawing what you like anyway.

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>>2977827

fuck me

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Critique? Also how the fuck do you get used to a drawing tablet, I have the Wacom ptz 431w. Is it just a bad model or am I retarded

>>2977912
Not used to it probably. Stick a small stack of papers in it

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how does one learn to draw people?
any good resources?
things to do?

>>2977882
These threads are for containment; pure unadulterated cancer.

>>2977926
I just wanna git gud. Do I have to learn reddit to do that

>>2977882
There's actually good advice in this thread. Probably not from beginners but it's easy to differentiate.

>>2977926
where do i go if i get out of here? you have to tell me, anon.

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I tried. I really did this time around. and id be lying if I said I didnt improve even slightly. But every time I try to make a portrait it just looks abysmal.

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>>2977954
Reference

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After several years I think I get it. I understand why so many beginners "lack the spark" at struggle the most with the basics. Artists are not photocopiers; they cheat. They like to pretend the world is far simpler than it really is. A muscular arm is not a true, anatomical arm. It is only shapes with "anatomy" being nothing more than a definition for form. We are all hacks who can't draw anything other than manipulated shapes.

>>2977954
>>2977955
Any feedback?
Anything glaring that im particularly doing wrong?
I would appreciate criticism/advice

>>2977954
scale down the pic

>>2977967
How. Im phone pisting and im a technological illiterate.
Unless you mean redraw it on a smaller scale? Sorry im a little slow.

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>>2977890
Please tell me, I'm sick of being forcefed memes when I look for criticism

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>>2977967
Am I doing this right?

>>2977832
I'm too lazy to give up

>>2977882
a lot of people jump at the opportunity to correct bad criticism so it's safe.

>>2977923
drawing people by imagination?
or drawing people from reference?
Trick question, answer is by drawing consistently

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>>2977972
yeah its easier to load now

your drawing looks like you're not drawing the reference
it looks like you drew an outline of a head and the placed what you visually saw piece by piece
Thats why the eyes and mouth are tiny
nose is too long
and forehead larger in your drawing

To fix this you're gonna want to mentally cut the face into pieces
that way you can place everything in the right size and proportion.
pic related

>>2977971
post work
ill give you real criticism

>>2977993
whats that shit on her face?

>>2977993
Thank you kind anon.

>>2977993
CUT MY FACE TO PIECES

>>2977993
jesus christ how horrifying

>>2977964
How would one create a true anatomical arm by drawing?
I believe you're looking for a sculptor, 3d modeler?

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>>2978003
No prob
you can also just google face planes if you still have trouble
loomis has some you can study, no meme intended

>>2977998
The fuck is this?

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Here's a sketch

>>2977892
>>2977897
I bet you wouldn't actually be able to tell which posts or edits are mine even with 30% accuracy.
Although if you would, that would be a good enough reason to stop giving my lame feedback here and focus on drawing my own pictures.

>>2978033
Who are you?

>>2977882
Yes. Which is why this thread is fucking trash.

>>2977968
Read the OP.

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It's more fun to doodle shit between studies, but you can't doodle shit between studies if you don't study. Ah, life is hard.

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I need help finding reference for a car at this angle plz

>>2978036
The Yuuka poster, of course. So far I've been giving feedback in every or almost every thread over the last two months.

>>2978043
There are cars at sketchfab too, you know.
https://sketchfab.com/search?q=cars

Although you can simply construct a perspective grid too, if you make the existing lines more accurate (i. e. parallel).

>>2978047
>So far I've been giving feedback in every or almost every thread
You have? Oh dear god. I pray for the anon souls who take your advice seriously.

>>2978047
Don't feed the troll.

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Thanks to whoever explained this. Also does LOA really means that I have to curve the torso to follow the line? Also does the line at the end means the weight bearing leg?

>>2978063
Yes, assuming it's related to >>2977657.

>>2978071
Yes, I want to unstiff my drawings. How do I do that using LoAs and centerlines?

>>2978076
Learn animation.

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It's my third day drawing daily, inb4 my shit gets posted on the cringe threaf, pls no bully.

>still have trouble with proportions,texture, hair
>already got better at drawing teeth and ears
>still struggle with eyes

>>2978080
Have you been reading any books?
>>2978078
I will

>>2978080
Post it there yourself, bro, save us the trouble. Rest assured, it is really worth it.

1) How long have you been drawing seriously?
2) Did you draw while looking at a reference? (I hope you didn't.)
3) Wanna get better sooner? Artbook thread is over there: >>2971865. I don't think your case can be improved by simple observation for now, you actually need to learn construction methods beforehand.

>>2978095
I've been drawing seriously for three days
>>2978094 I'm currently reading Keys to Drawing, I've done 3 lessons so far

>>2978094
>>2978078
Do you have any recommended videos?

>>2978110
Not them, but:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=vid&q=line+of+action+gesture

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I'm working in this one, really happy with the legs but idk how to do the torso and the head, please someone redline

>>2978116
If you're happy with the legs, take some time to trace a full frontal photo. The thing is, thighs are longer than lower legs and it's impossible for them to be so thin unless your character has been starving for months (which is kinda possible due to sagging breasts that lost their fat and a kinda fat stomach). It is also painful for me to stand with my legs at this angle.

Anyway, it's not worth redlining, frankly. You managed to fuck up pretty much everything. Please refer to https://sketchfab.com/models/e8813c9dc7764c9fb8bc956ff7543bba or real life photos. A human anatomy book might be better though.

>>2978122
>> thighs are longer than lower legs and it's impossible for them to be so thin
I mean realistic thighs, not the ones you've drawn.

>>2978116
if you clean it up ill redline it.

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>>2978122
thanks! and sorry for being such a mess I'm taking your advice

Decided it was finally time to get a tablet and start learning how to paint digitally. It felt fun learning how to digital paint and it help recreate my spark on wanting to get at a more proficient stage. I was on my tablet for a good 8 -10hrs yesterday and I feel like going again tonight.

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>>2978149
Ref

>>2978149
>>2978151
Inaccurate, but not a complete fail. The differences that I notice at a glance are:
1) The way he holds his weapon.
2) The size of most elements of his armour, which also leaves much more of his chest exposed.
3) The completely different head.
4) Less detail.
5) The lack of a fur coat.
6) Legs are longer than in the reference.
7) A lot less imposing/threatening atmosphere, which is pretty much the main reason I call your attempt bad.

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>>2978127
enough?

What size canvas should I be drawing with if I'm using a tablet?

>>2978162
>A lot less imposing/threatening atmosphere

I see. Is it due to his posture?

>>2978149

I'm not even joking or trying to be a dick - this reminds me a lot of a drawing I did in school when I was like 10

i give it a 4 - wow!

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>>2978175

this is the drawing

>>2978176
Hey, at least it's fantasy instead of 40k.

>>2978173
More like everything I described, but mainly his posture and his face.

How important are brushes in photoshop?

>>2978185
I mean fancy brushes you download from homosexual artists

>>2978185
They make achieving their intended purpose easier, and that's it.

>>2978189
>>2978185

Not that important, at least not at the start. Some nice texture brushes help workflow further down the line, but really all you need is a decent hard round and maybe sometimes a soft round (but don't be the retard who abuses the soft round, it looks bad).

I'd actually say that downloading too many brushes at the start will hamper you, not help you. I made the mistake, I had a fuckton of mostly specialized brushes that I was trying to do things with, everything looked bad as a result. It's just clutter.

The best way to grow your brush collection is only to make / download a brush when you actually need that brush.

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>>2978189

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okay the flowers/vase/shadow are painted in gouache from still life. i used photoshop to try to come up wiht a decent background. is this fine?

>>2978201
No. It's not fine, at all.

First of all, did you even try to dvelop a consistent brush stroke to match the painting part? Simply scribbling with brown on the table doesn't cut it. The scribbling around the flowers leaves too much of a halo, and destroye the painting - again, you didn't even try to match the painterly style of the flowers, and just scribbled with a large round, stock brush for a couple of minutes, and called it a day.

Try it again, but put some more thought and effort into it.

Why does /ic/ hate Jazza?
Any other youtuber artist to learn from?
To me Dunn is okay.

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>>2978214
w-wat. i just meant is the blue background with a wood shelf a good background? i when i actually paint it in im going to put real effort. its a still life but i how its set up right now doesn't make for a nice painting as is

>>2978223
It's poorly done. Doesn't matter what color it is.

>>2978229
if it wasn't poorly done would the color choice look good

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>>2978163
i tried not altering the proportions specifically the midget feel from stomach

>>2977822
>>2977833
She's not feeeeeling it

>>2978243
I sorta get why /ic/ people treat you like a retard now.
Well, at least it's better than the source in terms of proportions.

>>2978243
Stop giving redlines. Your torso is flat as shit and you don't understand construction. Same goes for the head, speaking of which where is the fucking ear? Your hands fucking suck and you didn't even give her a clavicle. On top of that you gave her some fucking dinosaur feet. Wtf?

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Acrylic on Canvas, what can I do to improve this? It's supposed to be Mt Doom and Barad Dur from the mouth of a cave (something like that).

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>>2978243
what do you think NoseBro?

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>In fact, beginners adore putting concave lines all over and around the body, but the body is something like an inflated balloon: no matter where you poke it with a stick, the surfaces are always convex

Holy shit.

>>2978258
>>2978274
red me
>>2978290
a lot of the issues are with extra unnecessary thinning because you didnt use form. I still think you should do a pass with form.

>>2978297
thanks NoseBro I will do my best back to the fundies

Why is the human face so hard to draw?

>>2978301
Lack of knowledge of facial anatomy and perspective

Learn facial planes and then look at pictures of people with the intent of spotting those planes. Then try to draw faces using what you've learnt either with reference or without. It is not going to look pretty st the start but if you keep rinse and repeating you'll build on your knowledge over time.

>>2978301
The brain is primed to pick the tiniest flaws in faces.

>>2978301
most of the humans are ugly and we try to draw pretty faces

>>2977909
Better than my attempt. Keep going.

how do i draw tits

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did this. could do a bit more but meh

>>2978406
mouth and nose too flat
saturate your colors more, the picture is a warm shade not a cool shade
that line on her forehead is not definition, its from the tree shes under, but u made it curve inside like an indentation in the skin
dont half ass the hand, paint the whole hand then paint hair over it
you ruined the collar bone

>>2978406
Also, you painted under her chin
in the reference we cannot see under her chin
laugh lines always curve towards the chin
you painted the laughlines curving out this is probably what ruined the perspective of the nose

Is it cheating to use rulers and line smoothing features in digital painting applications?

>>2977954
Pick a better reference image with some kind of strong lighting, some shadows and defined edges. Also closer with more detail if its a portrait. This photo is ridiculous

>>2978425
Of course. But cheating is what separates the productive artist from the unemployed hippy smearing menstrual blood on a canvas.

>>2978425
Not cheating if you use it to optimize your workflow. It's cheating if you use it during practice. You'll only hurt your progress that way...

>>2978414
>>2978415
there are good lessons to be learned from these even though i was aware of a few of the issues. i guess ill put a couple more hours in tomorrow. thanks

>>2978284
Mt doom and the tower thing look like part of the cave. Clearly define the foreground mid ground and background
The cave takes up too much of your canvas and from what I can see is just a huge blackish silhouette. Look at some images that you want your thing to look like and figure out what you need to do to achieve that look

>>2978425
no rules just tools :^)

Anyone have any experience with Huion? I'm looking at the Q11K tablet coming out in a couple weeks, but there's not much info on it yet. It sounds good for the price range, but I've heard some bad things about Huion.

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Are there any good tips or exercises for fixing skewed art? For instance every time I do the mirror test it always seems my art is significantly leaning to one side or the other. This has been a problem for years
I'm sure the long answer is to simply make a conscious effort to not do this until you've almost entirely weeded it out however it couldn't hurt to ask for others advice on the issue.

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>>2978290
why is the fist balled up?
is she suppose to be angry?
i redrew it more relaxed

>>2978465
what's that line on the thigh?

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>>2978462
Yeah what you want to do is slightly off center it
to make it easier to your visual bias
heres an example by loomis
notice how the face seems dead center, but its actually turned a bit to the right

>>2978469
I don't have an image but I think I might still have the issue even without faces.
Atleast I have memories of figures who look like they're pulling a smooth criminal

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>>2978468

>>2978471
I dont understand what you mean
also you dont need a reference to off center a drawing

>>2978220
Sycra, Sinix, Proko

They all seem like memes to me, though.

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>>2978474
Smooth Criminal just means standing at an angle. I was trying to say it's not just an issue when the subject is supposed to be very symmetrical but just a general issue where everything becomes misaligned.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

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>>2978220
Jazza is a good traditional artist but once he digitally paints or colors his stuff they become shit.
his brows chins and cheekbones are always exaggerated to the point where they just look so unappealing learning from his art would essentially make your own art look bad too

>>2977923
Don't be an idiot and always use reference, there is too much detail in the humans to draw from imagination if you aren't a person like Vilppu who has thousands of hours on his osteoporosis ridden carcass

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>>2978220
Also look at this picture, notice how it loses all of its anger and atmosphere once he colors it digitally.
he literally cannot even capture his own linework correctly.

>>2978476
yeah i gotcha

>>2978472
I was just studying this yesterday that muscle is called the adductor magnus. It can be seen both from the front and back quite prominently.

>>2978080
Study face planes
why are his teeth tilted when his head isnt?
upper teeth only move with the head

>>2978478
>pushing SJW as a legitimate character type

Gross

>>2978480
I'm no painting expert, but it looks like he lost a lot of contrast when he painted it. He went heavy on the soft edges which destroyed the tension.

>>2978490
you made him younger

>>2978465
she's obviously trying to cast a perfect tetrahedron shield spell with all her strength. You can't relax doing that.

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>>2977827
There, fixed.

>>2978292
It's funny that your own picture seemingly disproves that statement, having at least 7 concave lines.

>>2978220
Dunn is really pleasant, I like his videos. More beginners should watch him.

>>2978475
Proko is probably the best source for an introduction into figure drawing.
Sycra and Sinix have some clever ideas and offer some insight, but they are pretty bad at teaching and a lot of their videos are a blatant waste of time.

>>2978499
Looks like the teenage version of that guy. Still looks great.

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Just got an x220t. This is my first drawing. I can't really do anatomy. What are some good resources?

What do you think of feng zhu?

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>>2978297
>red me
Not them, but here you go.

>>2978526
Poor anatomy, but still a better attempt.

>>2978290
Your biggest issue are proportions, btw. Take a look at the redlines you recieved so far, they are all crappy but at least they have, whilst cartoonish, reasonable proportions.

I know it's a meme at this point, but read some Loomis to step up your proportion game. The worst thing about the picture are the limbs, the whole arms-legs-torso ratio is really fucked up. Long spider-like limbs with a stocky unproportionally small body would work in an uncanny way, but for that you'd have to balance the figure differently. I wouldn't suggest you to go into cartooning right now.

To do:
- practice proportions and measuring
- practice simple forms in perspective

Once you feel comfortable with that you can go study gesture, landmarks and anatomy. At this point any time spend learning bones or muscle groups would be wasted, because you lack the fundamentals.

Take the redlines with a grain of salt, but they show that you lack the 2 most important things when it comes to drawing: proportions and perspective.

>>2978531
>Poor anatomy
Redline me! (I'm here to learn as well.)

>>2978520
The sticky or if you want more complex Bridgman's anatomy book is for you. Goodluck, Anon.

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>>2977823

Posting from phone, sorry if the size is fucked.

>>2978549
I dont understand why you posted this
Just fix it

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My warm up

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Okay, I'll study and learn tomorrow, don't forget to tell your mo how much you love her /ic/, also skeleton construction.

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I got a graphics tablet for my birthday, This is the first thing I did. Is it gonna turn out to be shite or should I finish it?

>>2978574
I have no idea how to use photoshop btw,

>>2978574
structure first, details last
you can add as much details as you want to this, it's going to look broken and wonky because all the different objects you drew are badly constructed

>>2978406

Thinking thats just a photoshop filter.

>>2978484
yeah what good is it to know you have to show that muscle there if you can't even get the basic shape of the leg right?

I know how to construct heads, but i can't seem to apply the perspective to the elements of the head, as in, even if i construct a head looking down, i don't know how to make an eye seen from upwards. What can i do to remedy this?

>>2977827
Why does this dude get posted in every thread

He should be our new mascot

>>2978603
More like painting over the picture.

does anyone know how to make stylized eyes look more appealing? I try to use different shapes and make thinner/slanted eyes but they all end up looking the same, too cute or too kiddish and it ends up giving me same faces

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Is this a good book to start learning?

>>2978629
It's a meme, don't do it until way later, and only really if you want to learn how to draw objects.

>>2978631
What's good for starting then?

>>2978572
Draw those damn center lines! The arms and legs don't even match up. It looks like the limbs are dismembered.

>>2978631
It's not a meme, it's a great book that teaches you how to draw from scratch. It requires critical thinking and the ability to successfully self-critique and learn on your own, which, admittedly, many beginners don't posess.

I wouldn't recommend it to a complete beginner, but it's far from being a meme. Try it out, you have nothing to lose. It's better than starting with figure drawing, that's for sure.

>>2978644
Will do, boss!

>>2978476
the fuck....how did they do this

>>2978660
Hooks on the stage that interlock in their soles or the other way around, I forgot.

>>2978639
Vilppu Drawing Manual

>>2978662
huehue

>>2978663
?

>>2978644
>>2978655
Okay I get that the limbs are fucked but is the centerline the line that comes from the ribcage down to the pelvis? Also can you post some ref? I might've misunderstood something

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>>2978667
Any part of the body can have a centerline. Don't draw the top and bottom parts as separate pieces. I can kind of see a line for the center of the hand, but you didn't fallow it thoroughly. The edge of the hand is almost touching it, that shouldn't happen.

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>>2978536
As if I'm not a beginner as well. It is only my eyes that are good enough.
So, anyone willing to jump on the bandwagon and fix it?

>>2978597
It isn't Asuka from Evangelion, is she?

>>2978680
The contour lines should not cross or touch the centerline. There are centerlines anywhere in the body. I should not draw parts as separated but as individual shapes combined by flesh so therefore they are one mass, ribcage and pelvis will be one mass but if the pelvis does something the ribcage also gets affected and vice versa. Thanks for the insight, Anon. I'll do more tomorrow but this time I'll try harder to better myself

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>>2978526
>>2978696
>these are the type of people giving me criticism when i post here

>>2978699
Why don't you post your work or tell us what have you been posting up until now?
That is, assuming you aren't simply shitposting like most people here.

>>2978696
p sure its asuka from hibike euphonium you frick baka

>>2978708
That's good then. At least there is some likeness.

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>>2978699
>he expects anyone but beginners visiting this thread

>>2978722
how do i get crit from non-beginner artists?

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Best place to get references for women? I'm trying to learn to draw women, and snakes, so I can fuse them and draw Lamia ladies.

Ideally I'd need something that could let me see a snake in its whole, so I can observe their resting state, how they move, their anatomy, and the same goes for women, for example, how would a lamia move if she was dancing erotically and raping a young man?

>>2978722
Saved

>>2978699
Redline him, anon. Don't break the streak. :^)

>>2978729
Google vidyas of snek, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=snake+dancing

Good to see you're doing exactly what was told instead of giving up.

>>2978725
By going to some place where pros gather and getting told to go back to /beg/, naturally.

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>>2978116

Here

>>2978735
finally a good redline

>>2978735
>>2978737
Right arm and nearby torso is completely fucked, the neck and the way it connects to the torso is incoherent with the horizon line, it isn't anatomicallly incorrect but it's an incredibly autistic pose that probably wasn't on purpose.

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>>2978733
welp, didn't even think of doing that, thank you very much anon.

Well of course. I mean, don't get me wrong I barely have energy to get up in the morning but Lamia's aren't going to draw themselves.

>>2978743
C-can I see some snek waifus?

>>2978742

Post your work

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i completely butchered the ear

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>>2978737
> that
> good

>>2978705
He's got a point tbf

>>2978762

Post your work

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>>2978780
>>2978760
>>2978735
>>2978737
Samefag.

>>2978776
He has, but that doesn't make his post any less troll-like.

>>2978780
Nah. I'd rather continue shitposting and trying to ignite my lost spark to finally draw a picture that's worth showing to anybody (instead of simply coloring other artists' pictures).

>>2978784

First 3. not 4

>>2977967

why?

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>>2978735
>that ribcage

How trusty is drawabox?

I don't plan on joining ISIS by the way

>>2978808
then why ask

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>>2977832
You have to suffer before you can succeed anon

>>2978837
Fuck that book.

>>2978465
>>2978465
>>2978696
>>2978735

these are all good attempts but i cant be bothered to go over them all. Just know that you're all helping in your own ways.

>>2978722
the second one is from the same guy who did the original

>>2978680
this tutorial is absolutely trash, you should delete it.

>>2978860
D:

>>2978860
Tried, you can't delete posts this old. Either way it was more for illustrating a point rather then being a good tutorial on it's own.

>>2978258
>>2978274
feel free to redline someone's work or offer critique whenever you're ready!

>>2978839
why?

>>2978881
I'm already doing that on daily basis though...

>>2978846
Are you saying you considered to redline a redline of a redline of your redline? kek

I'm sad you didn't mention >>2978526 (me)
I think I cried a little. Jokes aside, what would you suggest me to work on? Don't need no redline, but a quick evaluation would be nice. I actually think you have a good eye for drawing and you brought the point across with your redline.

>>2978696
Thanks for actually redlining me. I appreciate the effort you made, but changing the proportions to a less cartoony look isn't really better anatomy. Good work on the form of the legs, I really fucked up here and will be more careful with them. The shoulder area also looks better, I should draw the clavicles and tone the traps down. So yeah, thanks for that!

I think we both got the leg-torso connection wrong btw.

>>2978699
We're all beginners here, no need to judge. You also don't need to be an expert to give feedback on other peoples work. If you can't evaluate good from bad feedback, that's on you.

>>2978910
i did, and i merely forgot to @ you. my bad. My main jab against your redline is weight distribution of muscle. specifically your backleg muscles starts too slowly and that creates a bad disposition of the mass. May be just a mistroke but because it happened twice over i doubt it.
the hand is missing is palm more or less and you did fumble a bit on the feet perspective ( either should be absent or the rest should reiterate it (IE line from knee to knee vs line from ankle to ankle and foot to foot doesn't match up). This is honestly a hard drawing just due to the fact that were all trying to play around how small her torso is.

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How helpful are art classes? There's one near me starting up soon, and I'd like to get better than shit like pic related.

>>2978910
>> I think we both got the leg-torso connection wrong btw.
Probably. But fear not, for we have the mighty power of sketchfab with us!
https://sketchfab.com/models/1a7a843e310340648b1cd4ad9a257c4c
https://sketchfab.com/models/1c634f7ab1fd434f9188a3d804b0f5da
https://sketchfab.com/models/a3dd0c7b6c5b4420bdb2a6d05550fcce

>>2978918
>backleg muscles starts too slowly and that creates a bad disposition of the mass
Yeah it does. I thought they look off, but it's really obvious now.

>the hand is missing is palm more
>you did fumble a bit on the feet perspective
I wasn't too happy how you drew those but wasn't able to do it better, I guess.

Thanks a lot!

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>>2977994

>>2978922
f e e l t h e f o r m

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>>2978597
>>2978597

Hey there. Like the concept. Ran with it a little.

Pull the glasses off the face. Remember they occupy a plane of their own.

>>2978944
that being said, the glasses don't float on a nose that is deeper into the face than the eyes

which demon do i have to sign a pact with to understand gesture?

>>2978957

You are right, of course. Shit's hard, and I'm no pro.

>>2978944
>> nipples poking through
Damn perverts. Even when drawing a poor hydrocephalic girl they sexualize her.
You need to really work on your arms and head/neck positioning btw. Head should be shifted to the lower left to make it work.

You also need to take lens distortion into mind, but that's the least of your worries when you draw your animoo like that.

>>2978963
The one that will give you an IQ higher than 90.

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>>2978970
>tfw

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>>2977827
>try to measure everything
>no idea where to start
>get impatient
>do everything by eye
>everything is off
Fuck, also should I buy that color and light book by James gurney?

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Is there any future for a style of art that revolves around fast scratches?

It's the only time I have fun drawing

>>2978987
Preview it in the artbook thread and see if you want to see it in person.

>>2978970
Ranting about sexualization here is spitting into a typhoon - most of the beginners here are just neets who want to draw porn for their own amusement. It's common in most DIY forums that almost all of the work done by guys is naked women, and usually poses from porn.

You can rant against it, but you won't change it. At best, it keeps the mouth breathers interested. I just don't pay attention to it, and won't critique it if it's too blatant.

There are people legit trying art, and that's why I still bother, but the majority of posters here are the 'hurrr boobies!" crowd - which is a waste of time in terms of trying to teach art.

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How did i do?

>>2979025
I think you should do that exercise on paper first.

>>2979025
You failed to see that the exercise it's self is a meme/10

>>2979023
It's more of a joke, man, be chill. I myself too have been drawing nothing but nudes for several weeks now, although I have a convenient excuse of having to learn female anatomy. (Probably that's why there are pics like this one in my ref folder, yeah.)

>>2979025
Well, I saw people who did worse, but that's pretty much the only favorable thing I could tell you. I think you see everything for yourself, don't you?

>>2979033
wtf man, can you at least keep literal porn in the porn thread?

>>2979035
Well, I thought it could be a good study material for beginners. I can delete it if it offends someone.

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Hello d/ic/ks I'm stuck in this like 2 weeks :((( help me improve

>>2978499
Looks great. How do you make the different values mix together so smoothly without it looking muddy?

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>>2979086
https://sketchfab.com/models/7bb018ad519b41cd9611554b6d3ebdac

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>>2978735
shit I fucked up

>>2979086
don't practice facial construction in a vacuum, use references and actively apply your methods to photos

>>2979158
Do you actually enjoy drawing with shit?

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beginners should stop trying to redline, it's lowkey embarassing

>>2979165
wOW RUDE

>>2978761

use smaller brush or work on bigger canvas

>>2978116

Rather than waiting for someone to guide you here I suggest you check out Michael Hampton. There's torrent of his video class if you know where to look.

"Analytical Figure Drawing Michael Hampton"

Can someone recommend me somewhere to learn painting and values?

>>2979296
http://www.floobynooby.com/ICG/artvalues.html

>>2979297
Cheers man. That's just what i needed.

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Alright, where do i start, DOTRSOTB / KTD or Loomis/construction?
Also can i skip loomis (at least the basics) by just watching proko?

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this is my first time drawing skulls and constructing heads onto them, are there any glaring mistakes?

>>2979297
Good stuff!

>>2979167
Why don't you do it then? I prefer a shitty redline over a vague 'study construction' anytime.

>>2979345
The frontal view of a skull is perfect. The "male" skull in side view resembles a neanderthalic one. Female head is definitely too long (from the forehead to the back of the cranium) and overall looks kinda bad (neck, really short nose, head shape), but you grasped feminine features pretty well (just add a curve denoting a soft, puffed up cheek, and you're all good). Male's ear might be placed too low, but going by the jawline, his head is raised (the face is looking up). If it isn't supposed to be raised, too bad then.
Mind that there are meat and skin layers on the bones. I think you might use an ecorche instead of a simple head:
https://sketchfab.com/models/5f8dc92db9664a2998ee00d97846ac37

Your lines aren't bad, but they definitely require some work.

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eh fuck
is there any good guides for constructing uguu heads or do I just need keep trial and error'ing this shit, because I feel like I'm regressing

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>>2979158
>>2978735
>>2978116

There's a new redline

Got bored.

>>2979371
Trial and error pal keep it up
Love your stuff

>>2979371

Reiq can help you improve those eyes. You've got the right suggestions there. His videos may help you place the lines better.

>>2979371
Start with basic forms before drawing the acctual head :D

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Hey guys. I'm going to post this so maybe you can tell me where I started going very wrong. I'm abandoning it because it looks just way too off for me to salvage and looking at it is embarrassing myself. I know it's just my lack of skill and experience.

Where did I go wrong? Proportions? Maybe it would have turned out better if a finished lining and coloring/shading?

Doubt it.

If anything, hope you get a good laugh out of it considering I wasted 3 hours of my life on this.

>>2979373
fuck, that's even worse than mine

>>2979371
Cute

>>2979371
kawaii

>>2979418
until you get your fundamentals in order, copying anime faces is a waste of time
>>2979440
>>2979446
stop samefagging

>>2979128
I have no idea. I just blend a lot, I guess.

>>2979448
>samefagging
wrong

>>2979448
>until you get your fundamentals in order, copying anime faces is a waste of time
also wrong

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>>2979373
You guys are still doing these?

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>>2979455

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>>2979418
here anon, i made you a few redlines. i dont wanna stand on a soapbox, not some art master or whatever, but anime art (especially high quality kyoani stuff) also uses fundie rules. its like you are only looking at the size of her face, rather than at the size of her head. i traced it around in the kyoani version, so you can see what i mean. practice some irl face proportions to see where everything is positioned, itll make anime faces a lot easier too. good luck with your art anon.

>>2979460
Akirel, what bushes do you use?

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>>2977923

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>>2979367
>>2979345
Trying to study skulls so I can understand the underlying structure of faces. Was going to ask for something like sketchfab.

>>2979464
oh man thank you for your time! I will use this tomorrow night to study what im doing.

>>2979471
There is a freeware called Skull Sketcher. Good shit, even if it has only two skulls to choose from.

>>2979455
it's not exactly a waste of time so much as there could be other things you can be doing to better understand the form of the human face and what a style truly means instead of trying to copy an artist's interpretation of a face (and failing)

>>2979476
Actually I already have my own skeleton.
But are there any good programs with muscle?

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What helps you come up with ideas for art?

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I looked up art classes online and the only interesting one I could find is during my working hours. What do I do?

any good resources for studying backlighting?

>>2979512
quit job or be wage slave normie

>>2979512
"*exaggerated cough* Sorry, I can't make it in today. I'm sick."

>>2979482
I think I saw some screenshots of it, but I don't think I can help you with that.
Anyway, there should be enough ecorches on sketchfab.

How do I find the will to grind "fundamentals" when I'm just so far from drawing anything I care about? I just started, so the sticky recommends I work on the basics like shapes, drawing from life, shadows, etc. and it's just... yeah, I can see how doing this repeatedly will help, but I want to draw other things. I stop drawing shapes and practicing shadows and the like to draw a few parts like an arm, or eyes or noses, because I want to draw more figures than drawing from life, but I don't want to skip steps.

So should I just spend days, weeks, or even months just trying to learn the fundamentals? I understand it'd help me, but I think it'd burn me out on art before I even start to draw what I like. I don't really have enough free time to draw for hours every day not drawing what I want.

>>2979551
Post some of your work.

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>>2979553

I'm a complete beginner, so it's... not really worth anything. I did draw my eye from reference and it's not as bad as most of my others, but I wouldn't be able to repeat it, and as you can see I shat the bed on the other eye, so I know I need those fundamentals.

It's just dedicating an hour or two a day to just drawing shapes and the occasional life item that is frustrating me.

>>2979561
What do you want to draw?

>>2979551
>>2979561
You don't need to grind the fundamentals in order to master drawing.
A well-thought grinding simply makes your life easier. One can do without it, but the path might be rougher and you might not make it, since it, unfortunately, would require higher intelligence coupled with quite greater memory than what is required to learn, remember, and successfully apply simpler construction methods.

>>2979568

Characters, mostly. That's what I notice first and give most attention to whenever I look at art. I'm not as much a fan of super realism or super stylized, I like the mix between the two. That's why I want to learn properly, and I've been drawing shapes because I fully understand now that symbol drawing would ruin any progress I tried to make. Other than that, I do want to try drawing some things from life and not just restrict myself to figures, nor do I want to develop bad habits that prevents me from trying something new in future.

I guess in a nutshell, I want to be able to draw characters. Either characters from a game, or from TV/movies/comics, or original characters for a D&D campaign or just to draw for friends.

>>2979572
Honestly, it's good to learn and all, but you have to draw what you want. So from now on only draw what you want and fix the things that aren't correct. You'll figure out what I mean soon when you see how important it is to draw what you want.

>>2979587

Thanks anon. I guess I just wanted to hear if it'd be possible to get anywhere without grinding fundamentals.

>>2979602
Definitely, many people don't take the traditional route anymore. Now people prefer to focus on their own art and improve as they go since that still allows them to draw what they want as well as improve at their own pace. Find your own pace and remember to have fun.

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Does this kind of mistake get fixed with practice and observation or am I missing obvious crucial construction steps?

>finish drawing
>something off about the proportions
>can't exactly tell what

Is it cheating to overlay the drawing over the photo reference to see what went wrong?

>>2979675

No, I'd say that's a really good way of seeing what the problem is. There's no cheating involved in trying to spot what went wrong.

I need to learn basic crayon work. What and where?

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I haven't been able to copy this shit because I keep drawing parts too damn big making it impossible to fit the rest. Do I just keep trying till my autistic ass gets it down?

I want to start on figure drawing. Should I just start drawing from reference or study theory first?

>>2979729
>study theory

lmao just draw

>>2979729
Draw some, then figure out your most obvious flaws and focus on it. Study as needed, can't hurt but do it with purpose.

rinse and repeat forever

>>2979729

http://brandondayton.com/2013/06/how-to-practice-phase-1-warm-up/

http://brandondayton.com/2013/06/how-to-practice-drawing-phase-2-study/

>buy a 2mm lead mechanical pencil from china because it was 2 dollars
>tip wobbles back and forth

Get what you pay for, I guess. Nice to draw with aside from that, though. I'll have to invest in a decent one next time.

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Is there any hope for me?

>>2979756
Of Course

>>2979800
>>2979800
>>2979800

>>2979800
>>2979800
>>2979800

>>2979800
>>2979800
>>2979800

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is this acceptable ? i have 2 years in it. never drew before that

>>2979903
It looks bad, rest assured. Not completely bad, but you had 2 years after all, you should have advanced more.

>>2979720
Just move on to construction drawing

>>2979469
This is awesome.