/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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i tried to fix some things but i'm still not liking this

help

>>2922860
Really interesting designs but the stylization/proportions are just not quite there yet. I think the shapes need to be a bit more decisive and then your draftsmanship be a little sharper for the style to come across better. They're honestly pretty close though.

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One anon recommended I do gestures and I am currently improving that. Are there any other sections where I could improve my art except from getting colors involved ?

>>2922892
get the fuck out of the beginner thread you insecure fuck

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1-3 hours a day = never git gud
4-5 hours a day = git gud in 7-10 years
6-7 hours a day = git gud in 4-6 years
8-12 hours a day = git gud in 2-3 years
13+ hours a day = diminishing returns

>>2922907
the worst part is that a lot of /beg/ is going to believe this

>>2922894
Why is that anon ? Just trying to find a way to improve and get feed is all, this would be the best place to ask as I do not think I am good enough to be in the alternate stylization thread as yet. I am sorry if I offended you in any way that wasn't my intention.

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>>2922880
Thank you so much!! I've just been having a lot of trouble with proportions and same-face, honestly. Also, feet/shoes are hell for me. I might upload some actual studies if the thread is still a thing. If you're interested I'll quote you

>>2922912

how many hours a day do you put into getting better? just curious

>>2922936
ranges anywhere from 3 to 8 with 4-5 on average (no obligations so it's easier and i could be putting more)

>>2922943

cool, I wish you the bestwith your endeavors anon

>>2922959
as to you too anon

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Plz bully me and my composition so hard that my face turns into an ahegao, senpai-tachi.

>>2922965
It's dumb and I hate it and you're miserable excuse for a human being and don't go trying to hide the fact that you didn't resize the picture you little rat. You sicken me.

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>>2922969
A-almost came, but still tarinai. (Translator's note: "tarinai" means "not enough.")
>> don't go trying to hide the fact that you didn't resize the picture you little rat
Sry for that, didn't notice the hueg size until after I posted it

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gonna color later

>>2922972
that's one weird looking yuke

>>2922973
it's an elf, but i'm glad someone caught the reference i'm making with the helmet

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>When you spend a good while drawing something only to notice that it's the most stiff and uninteresting shit ever and you spend forever trying to redo and fix the drawing but the more you look over and think about the drawing the more and more symbol drawing leaks out until the end result is a symmetrical mess.

Why do I bother.

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First time actually doing a "background." Yeah the colorings kinda sloppy...

>>2922913
Dude, in 4chan that's like high praise. Bask in it.

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Lately, I've been trying to spend at least an hour each day putting pen to paper. This is the result of a couple days drawing

>>2922991
Oh, thanks for letting me know.

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i realize that i un-negro'd her features FeelsBadMan

>>2922943
>(no obligations so it's easier and i could be putting in more)
man, i wish. Taking 15 credits at school and working 25+ hours a week. Only time I ever get quality draw time is ~once a week and on breaks from school.

>>2922968
>dull subject matter
>eyesore water effects
>no clouds leads to ugly and alien sky
>birds are lazy arches
>hand anatomy and anatomy in general is garbage
>obligatory butt-shot to try and distract from flaws
Was that rough enough for you, ya freak? But in all seriousness, this image could use some work, but simply isn't all that good to begin with in regards to Instagram pic-teir subject material and basic anatomy. I'd suggest that you pick subject matter that will be more conducive to studying and actually analyzing your own failings as you work.

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Can someone give me a quick rundown on what proportions are fucked up?

>>2922999
More than that, you drew an entirely different person. Why aren't you drawing what you see?

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>>2923009
Arigatou, senpai! I c-c-c-came hard! K-kono watakushi ga ganbarimasu zo! (Translator's note: it means "I will work hard.")
(If you didn't notice the single pinkish "cloud" that completes the heart shape, that means I did a sloppier job than I thought.)

>> Instagram pic-tier
Um, do you mean it's the tier of my drawing, or that one might post such g-garbage to Instagram if the quality was any better? I don't plan to polish it any further though; I want to make more leg appreciation pictures and continue to work on my hair.

>>2923017
good god thats autistic lmao

>>2923017
>having such poor taste
>talking like that
you arent a woman are you?

havent seen eric in a while

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>>2922892

fuckin nice, bro.

>>2923035
Nah, I'm a full-fledged male in his prime. It's just that I like fucking around too much.
And remember, "taste" is but subjective.

>>2923039
>full-fledged
nope
>taste is subjective
in most cases where its, questioned it isnt.

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shred my magical girl fan art pls

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last inks for the day

>>2923044
its time for you to learn line weight and pick up some form of rendering be it cross hatching or digital style shading. cant see any technical flaws though, good work.

>>2923014
everything underneath her boobs

>>2923046
actually i can see a flaw, the head/neck is wrong. make sure you can do realistic heads.

>>2923046
thanks, i'm planning to experiment with shading and color with these tomorrow

>>2923043
Flat, flat, flat. Ugly looking faces and completely unrealistic anatomy. Poor color selection.

>>2923052
could you go a little further on the anatomy? anything specific?

>>2923049
if i were you right now i'd go and spend a few days learning line weight

>>2923053
the limbs are just ovals.
also they look like bolshevik neo-whores rather than magical girls.

>>2923054
good idea, might follow that advice, digital lineweight is a problem for me

>>2923060
i think its the last piece of the puzzle to making your work look appealing. imo

>>2923058
how would you change the faces to make them more appealing? and i'll work on limbs C:

>>2923063
well the cheekbones are fucked on the ones that have cheekbones, its all symbolic and the colours are poor on most. a problem is more on taste desu, if you like it then i wont argue but it doesnt seem very dignified.

>>2923066
it's all done in pen tool, so no problem changing colors really. thanks for the tips though, appreciate it C:

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>>2923063
Edits. I don't know how to fix the monkey's face.

>>2923072
better

>>2923038
Thanks anon. I appreciate it.

>>2923072
Is that you, Popes?

>>2923053
It's completely unrealistic, that is. The blue fatso also has broken ankles. It's impossible to have knees touching but feet pointed in opposite directions.

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Shit doodle but at least I am drawing. Planning a full feature painting tomorrow though.

>>2923072
thank you so muchhhh this helps a lot
>>2923078
will be working on those things! Thanks

What's better, keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain?

Is there a good resource for basic anatomy/gestures for comic/animu art? I'm practicing my basic construction fundamentals but I wanna make comics sooner or later so I might as well start reading/practicing right?

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trying to figure out perspective

>>2923133
i love your faces wow teach me pls

>Wacom tablet stops working
>Can only get it to work for 2-3 hours at a time
>Spend 3 days trying to get the shit to work
>Give up
>Go back to traditional
>Instantly calm, happy and making gains

Anyone know this feel?

>>2923133
nice tits

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>>2923149

It's probably not the medium, it's probably the change.

Some faces I drew in the last couple of hours.

>>2923172
All of those are pretty horrid, but if it is your first attempt, I've seen and drawn worse.

>>2923172
Don't get me wrong i like digital but id rather spend 5 hours drawing than 5 hours troubleshooting drivers

>>2923172
pretty sure hes >>2922300

>>2923181
stop using GNU+autism

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>>2923181

I feel you.

>>2923178

It's not. This was my first attempt.

>>2923182

That guy is way more active than I am.

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>>2922912
Whats wrong with it?. I just alt tab constantly and a lot of times get lost drawing. I spent my year doing so and I'm improving just fine and fast.

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>>2923133
>Figure out
Read a book you dipshit.

>>2923085
Your strokes are fucken beautiful mane.
Shame that the drawing itself is utter garbage.
open an anatomy book mane.

>>2923193
Your first attempt at doing realistical faces, that is. Those three don't even try to be realistic.

>>2923218
figuring out means learning you dickbonger

>>2923237
rly tho I like yr faces a lot how did u learn those

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well?

>>2923243
Well, it looks pretty fucked. You're on the right track though, keep practicing.

Also, whats the ref?

>>2923243
Why does every head you do have this weird tilt?

>>2923280
>Well, it looks pretty fucked.
shiiiit. how so?

>>2923282
>weird
shiiiiit. im basically just trying to not do the same basic 3/4, straight on, head perfectly vertical, view

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also no ref but im using

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>>2923297
and is for the hair

>>2923243
lmao i was just saying i havent seen you in a while.
its just as shit, the lines are scratchy, the eyes are dead and symbols. pretty sure its linework from a week or so ago too.

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>>2923296
Well, it looks like the face is on a different angle to the actual tilt of the head. Also, if you're not using a ref you should absolutely set down some lines that show the layout of the face, otherwise you end up with off features like that.

Also what this guy said, >>2923308

>>2923214
Post before and after.

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Ok so trying to do some gesture again after watching some of the Promo videos, still having a hard time. I understand that I'm trying to capture the motion but most of time it just seems like I'm just copying the outline. Am I on the right track here or do I need to take a different approach?

>>2923397
read villpu and hampton. gesture isnt outline.
also be wary of (((proko)))

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>>2923401
I mean I understand what the man is trying to say but I just can't seem to grasp it properly, plus I can't find any of his good gesture vids on YouTube. I'll just keep on rereading that first page until I can get it.

>>2923401
Any links to vilppu books?

>>2923411
keep practicing in that direction
8ch net slash loomis in their sticky

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>>2923423
I'll keep practicing then.

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Say, is this hold practical enough for walking in a garden, supposing it's tight enough to prevent dangling? Have you ever seen footwear with straps only in those places, a footwear that allows for some movement of the toes?

>>2923401
>also be wary of (((proko)))

What's wrong with proko?

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>>2923352
Not holy shit drop your pants and nut good but definitely an improvement

>dont draw for two weeks
>lose every inch of progress i made in 3 months

OKAY

>>2923505
kys

>>2923505
honest question. why animals? why hedgehogs?

When I'm copying anatomy from a book like vilppu, hampton or loomis or etc it looks very nice and accurate. But when I try to construct the figure using a photo as reference, everything looks trash. Can someone please explain why it keeps happening? I've been struggling for months with this, I keep trying and trying to fix it but nothing I tried works. I tried different construction methods... I'm a bit desesperate.

Please help.

>>2923528
post work of copy and reference for comparison

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Drew this today. Anything I should improve on ?

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>>2923531
Forgive me but I only have one drawing from trying to draw from photos. I always throw them away. I hope one it's enough to help me figure out what's going on. If not I'll do 1 or 2 other drawing from photos to you.

>>2923528
thats just how it goes
practice practice practice

>>2923545
Shoulders are messed up and the clavicle is misshapen. The mouth isn't aligned with the nose.

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this is where 2 months has gotten me

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>>2923243
Wow, I almost thought we were referencing the same pic.

This is my legit first attempt at drawing people in years. I've mostly just been copying manga artists I like such as Takehiko Inoue.

Will I make it out of /beg/?

So, what a good way to structure you self study? At this moment I just doing exercises from Draw a Box and studying gesture should I move on to other things once I feel comfortable with those two or try to fit something else in?

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Eyeballing movie stills.

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>>2923578
Is this better ?

>>2923526
Oh, it was from a /trash/ general, from /sing/.

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I've been drawing for all my life and went to art school which is currently on hold? This is done in 15 minutes with pencil from an image reference after 3 years not drawing.

Thoughts?

>>2923617
if you mean the rest of the animal stuff, I'm going trough a rendering book about fur and feathers. Google it mane, is pretty good. Even the fuck ups end up looking pretty good.

Not a furfag myself, just cant help myself but take requests from that place. they are just so happy every time someone takes their draw request or contribute to their sperg generals.

>>2923618
sticky

>>2923556
Sounds like you dont understand what you are drawing. Copying is easy. Anyone can follow the steps in the books. But its important to know why you do certain things.

>>2923622
>sounds like
opinion discarded

>>2923587
I'm wondering this as well. I don't like doing the whole "just draw" method, I'm trying to improve quickly.

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Been drawing for a few years now, pretty confident with my skills.

>>2923624
>he doesnt run /beg/ through a text2speech program so he can shitpost whilst drawing

Literally never EVER gonna make it.

>>2923633
IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE NGMI-CHAN?!

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>>2922836
Made her too short and angled her head wrong but drawing on toned paper makes me feel like DaVinci even though I'm trash

>>2923658
>that titty
Cmon man

>>2923657
no its honoka

>>2923633
official /beg/ mascot

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Ok going for another round of gesture, Am I still doing it wrong ?

>>2923666
Rotate. 30s? Try 1 minute cause these are extremely bare. Which books/guides are you following?

>>2923666
looks good, nice talmud trips

>>2923661
Yeah shit now that i look at it it's twice as big and defies gravity. It's also more of a pyramid than a tear drop

>>2923670
Drawing Manual, In 60 seconds Im supposed to also emphases where the body pinches and stretches right?

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Took too much and still looks meh

>>2923673
aesthetic

>>2923679
Just get some reference. It's not that far off, just needs some drawing corrections for the nose and far eye mostly.

>>2923674
Meant to say Vilpus's Drawing Manual

>>2923679
That ear. Kek

>>2923586
get out

>>2923633
I wasn't aware that "content aware scaling" could be an art style

>>2922860
beginner my ass, this is some great shit man

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Last batch

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>>2922829

>>2923725
Das good.

>>2923679
Is it just me or there is something off in it?

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A LAS daily critic approached me in one of his daily roundabouts of analysis and told me to focus on some controlled head studies from life/photos. I thought it would be worth trying, even if it was just to study the difference in likeness. To make them more informative: I think I will try contouring them later today or tomorrow

The heroic male doesn't fit in quite as well as I'd hope with the Mongolic heads I usually resort to when drawing from imagination, so I tried to pick a subject matter that had closer facial proportions by any stretch; I came up with the idea to try these.

Then I drew one head from imagination in the plane discipline and then tried to magnify that idea and create a larger head; it looks awful.

I'm much more pleased with the studies I did; I learnt a lot about dynamic line weights in particular

It's no excuse but I was quite busy washing cars for at least two hours, and I forgot to bring my sketchbook, so there were no environment drawings today; I could have tried for a retention drawing but I wanted to focus on portraiture seen as the human form is and will probably always be my weaker area, not landscapes

(I'm not homosexual)

>>2923759
>Let me suck your dick
>No homo

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>>2922829
Am I doing gesture wrong again? It's been a while since I've last done it. This time I'm shaping things out a lot more and I can't tell if I've lost the essence of gesture drawing.

Also, does it look any good in general?

>>2923759
>homos
[spoiler]i'm erect[/spoiler]

>>2923725
nosebro self portrait

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critique please.

>>2923801
Left eye is a bit off but so far so good. Draw more of her and then ask for critique.

>>2923801
Her right eye, our left, is smaller despite being closer to the viewer. It's also too far to the left (from the viewer's perspective) and so is the ear (which is also too low).

How wide is her head?

>>2923787
The essence of a gesture is through the form not in its contours, it took me forever to get this. Stop drawing the countours and pretend an armature wire is smack dab in the middle of the forms and draw that. Don't think of where bones are, just think of the center if the form then you can start fleshing it out.

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>>2922831
first time doing a portrait of a girl. no homo. proportions look off, but i cant put my finger on it. could anyone critique it please?

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Self Portrait for Values of the Face
I should really add backgrounds

>>2923847
Did you start with her right eye? it looks like you did

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>>2923847
From seeing yours first, then the reference, I would have assumed you were trying to draw a spanish or native american person, and not a white girl with freckles. You gave her kind of hard, stony features, her eye in the back is slanted oddly to the upper right corner, the lips on your pull more down at the corner, the reference is more to the side. You drew yours with a very front facing nose, the reference image shows her nose more pointing to the side.

Try holding your image and the reference image up to a mirror, maybe it'll make the issues stick out more

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>>2922830
>>2922831
I tried so hard...

>>2923622
OP here. Sorry for the late reply.

>But its important to know why you do certain things.
Like what? You mean, for example, studying what geometric forms are necessary to make an arm and this kind of thing? Because if it's the case, I've done that. Or you mean something else? If do, please tell me what it is.

If someone else can tell what's wrong I appreaciate it.

>>2923858
Why the sapiens/neanderthal comparison pic? Are you saying natives are neanderthals?

>>2923905
I was going to respond to something earlier but I forgot to remove the image, honestly.

>>2923454
Looks like the foot would be slipping all over the place, front to back and side to side.

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>>2923673

>>2923695
is that a fuck you or a thumbs up?

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First timer, critique please

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>>2923940
And another

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Not sure if I fixed the eyes right.
Still not sure what I'm going to do with the body/pose if I do one.

>>2923893
read the sticky

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I'm pushing my pencil down way too hard which creates those awful edges, something I didn't really notice that I was doing so kind of a breakthrough for me

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>>2923893
I got you though.

Should I got with hamm or loomis for figure drawing?

>>2923951
vilppu is the best figure drawer

>>2923949
I think you put highlights in spots that should be shadows. Like on the fold of the nose and some spots on the lips.
Were you using a reference?

>>2923953
Unless I don't need to do gestures, Vilppu is out of question.

>>2923955
Yea i was using this reference >>2923297 but you're right that there shouldn't be highlights on the top lip, just got my first white gel pen today and went overboard

Hey /ic/, first post. I've been doodling all of my life with fairly decent results but only recently I've started getting a bit more into serious drawing.
I followed some general recommendations here and there, and started out with Loomis and while he did get something out of me, his frugal approach to things doesn't inspire me.
Are there any good books for complete beginners that will get me started on (almost) everything? +1 if they're not old as shit and not too obscure to be unfindable.
>inb4 "there's more to drawing than just books"
Obvious, I understand. As for practice, I have lots of free time where I can draw. I'm not worrying about what materials I use and I will try to keep an open mind.

>>2923950
that is just for photocopying, not for actually drawings

>>2923946
Her left eye is still too big. Make her left eye smaller or her right eye larger. Her right ear is still too low. The eyebrow is where the top of the ear starts, the bottom of the ear is level with the tip of the nose.

That ear is so inhuman it's ridiculous.

>>2923972
ok enjoy your inaccurate drawings while you go through hoops trying to figure out why it looks nothing like the ref

>>2923133
did you use a photo reference? if so can ya post it?

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I've been putting off drawing ever since Zelda came out, and I don't know how to get myself back into it. What do I draw, knowing that it's going to be bad?

>>2923847
It looks abstracted from the original. Like a distortion of it.

You captured the expression but it didn't look like you measured very well. Compare the size of the face, the original is much wider. The nose should face more to the right. Just little things like that can be fixed with proper measuring. Proper measure can be done by just measuring the angle relationships of the different points, for example the corners of the eyes with the corners of the lips, nose, and so on. Measure from as many angles as you can to accurate place the features. You can do it with by eyeballing it with your pencil if you don't know how to do that already.

There's a little bit of symbol drawing going on with the eyes, nose, and mouth. Take a closer look and you'll see they are not the way you drew them. Look at the shape of the nostrils for example or the irises.

The rendering is nice but there are some rough edges that could use more blending. The skin has a jagged kind of texture.

Overall it looks quite nice. Keep working at it.

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When trying to preposition the ear I realized that the hair and pretty much everything is off. I couldn't move the ear any higher to where its supposed to be without it sitting on the top of the head. I'd have to re draw the whole thing to realign everything.

Should I continue on anyways or scrap it and re do the whole thing?

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I'm experimenting with perspective n stuff and I know there's some obvious errors here.
[spoiler] Repost because it got ignored last thread [/spoiler]

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>>2924038
>re do the whole thing
Yep. You're gonna have to.

If you honestly know what you're doing, it shouldn't be hard. If not, take the time to learn it. The ear is still too low, the eyes are still messed up.

Take some time learning the proportions of eye to ear on the skull before you try to re-draw it. You'll do so much better next time. I'll be waiting for you tomorrow.
>>2924039
>no arms
Wtf?

Body is faaaaaaaaaaar too large. If you're learning perspective, keep at it, you have a long way to go. Learn perspective of the human body. That's my advice. There's no one single thing you can fix here. The entire thing needs to be re-drawn.

You're both on the path, but you both need to practice fundamentals more.

>>2924015
Head and neck are slightly too big/long and the calves are bodybuilder tier.

Because of the head being so big, she looks short. Like 4'8" short. Your proportions are good otherwise, in terms of ratio, but the head needs to be smaller.

Work on your hands and feet. Drawing blobs isn't going to help you draw them better. Spend two weeks on each and then re-try this drawing with proper head-to-body-ratio proportions.

>>2924038
See how this guy's ears are? >>2924015 That's how yours need to be.

>>2923950

Thanks, i'll try to figure it out

>>2923759
I can see literally no flaws except the nose of the top middle guy. Actually, the left and the right portraits look pretty handsome. As I thought, you're great at copying. As for the bald guys, they look pretty much like humans, but the big one's nose is way too short (or his mouth is way too low). Also, his facial expression makes him look like a lunatic. No comment on the faggots. I dislike the subject too much.

Just don't forget what you have learned from these studies later. :)

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>>2924039
>>2924064
>No arms
Her left arm is hidden behind her body, obviously.
>Body is faaaaaaaaaaar too large
I only partially agree. Aside from her shoulders being too wide and perhaps her waist/abdomen being too tall, the body is fairly accurate to canon proportions. (Being Dragon's Crown)

Also, I think that the Elf's lying position is slightly off angle compared to the Sorceress's sitting position, and her right forearm appears nonexistent. Looks awkward, so there's that.

>>2924064
>> >no arms
>> Wtf?
Actually I can see an arm tucked into the hair, but yeah, it looks too small.

>>2924079
Now that you mention it, I can see it.

I thought it was a hair thing. Like a pigtail. >>2924078
I don't know what that weeaboo shit is, but if it's natively that bad then they should stop drawing off that.

>>2923950
>Cropping out the auther
you're a queer

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How's my hands looking /ic/?

>>2924083
Try not to critique stuff that you hold a personal bias against. We're all here to improve

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What do you think?

>>2924087
this is what goes around /ic/ and i know they hate leddit but i dont care either way

ironic that a somewhat pivotal image is from there anyway

>>2924088
solid, thick, tight

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why does the ushanka look like shit

>>2924091
If I look at a drawing and I think "wtf am I looking at?" I'm pretty sure most other people would as well.

And that being the case, they should improve. The point of drawing is not to satisfy the random otaku.

Or is it?

I don't hold a bias against weebs. I am a weeb. I participate in /djt/ and I frequent /a/.

But that shit looks like SHIT.

>>2924088
Good, but the angle between the base of the thumb and the forearm is too acute, IMO.

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>>2924100
Good signature man. When you actually learn how to draw that might come in handy.

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This is a wip which I am basically almost done with but am still unhappy. I can't put my finger on what I'm so unsatisfied with so can someone help me out?

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>>2924142
Thank you.

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>>2923633
GOOD MORNING USAAAAA

I GOT A FEELING THAT ITS GONNA BE A WONDERFUL DAY

>>2924140
Jesus, dude. I came to get some feedback. Not get told my art is shit. I've only been drawing for about a year now, and I was under the assumption that there weren't any haughty pricks on a thread for beginners.

>>2924172
A whole year and it looks like that?

Please read the sticky and apply it.

Don't be that guy that thinks his art is great but there's just one guy that hates on it. Don't do that to yourself.

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Boards merged in 4china guys, what the fuck.
>tfw /ic/ main board
>tfw active enough to visit but to irrelevant to joke with

Like watching afar enough the chaos devolve and being able to comment on it...

>>2924178
I'm not sure I understand. Is it generally good or bad considering my experience? I don't really have anyone else to show my art to so I'm not entirely sure where I stand atm.

>>2924182
Your perspective is shit. Work on that. From a human anatomy point of view.

Fuck that guy that says it's okay. He's not helping you.

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>>2924179
What are you talking about?

>>2924183
So you're essentially saying that it's garbage-tier art because the perspective is badly done. Is that what I've gathered?
Aight. This all came outta left field considering the fact that beginner threads aren't usually met with such brutality, but I see what you're saying and I'll work on it.

>>2924183
Not him but while I can practice perspective with boxes like a pro, how do I do it with the human head? what lines do I try to visualize going to a vanishing point? brow ridge? bottom of the chin?

>>2924186
Go to /a/

>>2924145
His arms seem too long (they can reach the knees). The length of his lower legs suggests that his pelvis is located around the belt, so either move the belt up or move his legs down. Add shadows from the cape on his lower legs too.

>>2924196
There are plenty of resources you can use to practice perspective/ratios of the head.

I mean, honestly, the largest portion of "learn to draw!" tutorials on youtube are about heads.

The only thing that gets as much difficulty rating is hands and feet.

>>2923658
>that triangle tit

>>2924207
And none of them explain anything other than "oh eyes go here just uhhh.. make this shape"

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Man i am ugly

>>2924225
that's because the face has very easy lines and shapes to make compared to things like legs or hands

>>2924074
Thank you dailycrit!

Aye guvs, can I ask about tablets in here, the sticky says go to /g/ and don't go to /g/ it's a bit confusing.

so the deal is [spoiler] i want to get into digital art but every time i try to save up for wacom intus pro M I end up not making it in time and starving to half death before giving up, I've been drawing traditionally but I live in a 2x2 pixel square dorm so my posture is garbage with pen and paper and I can't do it more than an hour at a time before my back kills me. So what's a good alternative that is more affordable to hobos but will still last me a good time that I can go out and get right fucking now and just get it done instead of postponing forever? getting really sick and tired of it [/spoiler]

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>be fat and have nerve damage in arm
>instructor says to draw from the shoulder

end my pain

>>2924265
draw with the other hand you faggot

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>>2924268

>drawing from the non dominant hand all of a sudden

how to give the worst advice of all time

>>2924272
>not training both of your arms incase of emergencies
>not having plans at all
u dum kid

>>2924272
sticky

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>tfw waiting for cgpeers to open for registration so I can get Erik Olson's perspective thing
>it never opens
I thought they opened the 1st? What the hell is going on?

>>2924272
The dont draw, eat yourself to death and cry all day you fat fuck.

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>>2922831
Gonna take the dive into Loomis tomorrow lads, so bully me hard. Some things I noticed after I finished:

>took too many improvisions and let my mind betray my eyes
>shading does not flow with the direction of hair itself
>I suck dick at hair in general
>facial features are not positioned and sized properly in relation to other features
>no shading due to being stuck with my crappy comic book art-style
>didn't draw the whole picture

Often I think of myself as my own worst critic but if there is anything I missed and if anyone cares to reply let me know.

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>>2924317
Fuck, my friend's cell cam was better than I thought.

>>2924322
What is going on with that chin?
Is that a tumor?

>>2924230
Nono; you are not an uggo. There is great temperature to your face; your eyes look quite dense and spiritual. I like how it is heart-shaped almost.

In normal people there is not enough faceted implication. If you looked boldly generic and your skin moaned and flexed around your face, and every feature was punctuated and flaring: I would hate how you look

But no you're genuinely beautiful

(I'm not homosexual)

newfag here.
Is there a critique board for cartooning/ anime?

>>2924341

>>2919303 is the stylization thread. I can see how you didnt see it on page five but post their in the new thread when it is made.

>>2924230
I bet the shine on your greasy ass hair is worse than that. Disheveled unkempt hair, dark circles, and a dead look to your eyes. You look like you smell horrible. What ethnicity even are you?

>>2924344
thanks for the directions

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>>2924329
T-that's what I was going for. How did you know?

>>2923950
>talent is a lie


bob ross is the ultimate mediocrity

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is the sticky supposed to be cut off 3/4th onto the page

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oops i painted a portrait again. that sketch really was fucked but i think i worked out a lot of drawing issues

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Needed almost an hour for this. I think the chest is too small?

>>2924417
Doesn't look that bad if you disregard the chicken scratch. Move his pecs a bit lower... The lower borders of areolae should be where the bottom line is right now, and the bottom line should be moved down correspondingly. More attention to the shoulders and legs too. His p0n0s looks kinda funny, but unwillingness to go into detail there is pretty understandable.

>>2924322
Looks decent but I can almost certainly guess you didn't work on the underlying construction much, or at all?

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>>2924333
this is actually the most poetic thing anyones ever said to me.. .thank u...

>>2924347
filipino/chinese

>>2924413

Honestly your art reminds me of my digital art when I first started. Definitely needs work with rendering. Draw the line art, then paint flatly underneath, then paint over the line art and flats and blend with a soft brush or whatever brush (at least for skin, hair's different) or just drop opacity and do layers over. Think of it as actual paint.

Some things that look off for a face:
Nose nostril almost in the center. I think at this degree, for such a thin nose, you'd be able to see just a bit of the other nostrils side flashing out from underneath the nose's tip.
Eyebrow bone slightly too prominent for how short the forehead is. This wouldn't be a problem if not for giving her a manish long face because of the chin.
Left eyebrow lining goes too steeply into the eye. It just needs to go up and to the left a bit.
Chin protrudes too much, especially with how much the neck is leaning forward.
Collar bones are too small and asymmetrical.
Dye down the whites in the eyes. Experiment with more colored tones on skin because it just looks like white, black, greyscale added to skin tone.
Lips are rough but I see potential. You just made the lined too dark, lips are almost entirely built from shadows. You did get that little line of light over (it's actually important) and the little spot into the chin but it's too blurred and dark. Trying just making a darker brown-grey and make a small circle with a low pressure watercolor brush.


ALWAYS FLIP YOUR CANVAS.
And there you have it, I'm spent.

>>2924454
haters out here saying you smell based on a drawing damn

but do you got an instagram?

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Thoughts?

>>2924495
not for art. tumblr is godblessnoona though if you wanted to see more of my stuff or something :-)

>>2924493
thanks for the tips. i guess ill keep working on it since im already pretty close then

>>2924508
If you're younger than 16, then it's okay, I guess.

>>2922860
desu I am not sure if you're already doing it or not but the simplest advice I could give you is to just practice observing & drawing feet/shoes. Same goes for different faces. A tip for the later would be is to draw variations in the assets of the face, so that you get a better feel for putting those together individually.

>>2923214
What's wrong with it (the post) is that you're gonna perpetuate the idea that the best results will solely come from spending a lot of hours doing the same thing in repetition, while in reality the best way to get the best results is to work efficiently. I'm not saying that those extra hours can't pay off, but if you're a beginner at something you're better off first getting used to daily/weekly drawing and then building those hours up. Going straight into even 6-7 hours sessions on a daily basis really wears someone new out.

I know most folk on /ic/ think that you shouldn't complain when you don't do dem 13+ hours sessions, but don't forget that getting into drawing and art (and sticking to it) should be fun, not endless suffering.

>>2924520
>should be fun, not endless suffering
>>/gobacktoreddit/

how do i stop giving up

>>2924537
stop giving up

>>2924538
it worked, thanks

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>>2922831

All aboard the cute girl train.

Her lips are fucked as is her left eye but I think I'm getting the hang of head construction.

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I did some gesture drawings based on poses from the last few threads

Please, for the love of god, resize and rotate your shit.

Try reading the OP of the thread before you post in it:

>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

>#1)
>>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)

>#2)
>>change camera capture settings to something smaller

>#3)
>>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

>>2924579
Fuck I forgot

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>>2924572

>>2924597
dude, those arent gestures, they are outlines. are you the guy i told to read villpu the other day? if so, keep practising the ones you did before. these arent good.

>>2924600
I'm not that guy

Could you elaborate?

>>2924602
yours look identical to his.
to sum it up:
gesture isnt outline
gesture is tough to understand so takes a lot of learning (reading) to get it for most people
go and read Hampton on figures and Villpu on figures, especially villpu.
practice that style of gesture for a bit then come back.

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im the one from a few days ago. the advice was to use reference which i have been doing and i'll continue to do for some days more. posting as a checkup. if someone could point out the consistent errors i would be grateful.

>>2924606
So I fell for the contour meme
Dammit, thanks for the info

>>2924622

>>2924600
>>2924595
>>2924597
Although bad ones, those are actually gestures, not outlines for most part.

That said I would also recommend to deconstruct them further, as you don't seem to understand the underlying structure. For now, don't sweat it and experiment a bit more. I'd concentrate on the line of action for now and align the basic shapes (limbs, head, ribcage, pelvis and spine) according to the landmarks of the body. Once you get a feel of that you can go back too a more loose gestural approach. It seems at the moment you don't really know how to exaggerate or why you push certain lines. This becomes clearer once you have a very basic understanding of the basic volumes. Read Hampton's chapter on gesture and landmarks and exercise each lecture.

>>2924615
You have an idea of volume, which is a good start. I assume you read Hampton's book from the way you construct your heads? Your facial anatomy needs work, but you'll figure that you with more studies. Oh and look into Loomis. I know it's a meme, but takes the time to go in depth about heads and faces unlike Hampton who really just assumes you'll get other resources on it. Another idea would be Proko's videos on facial features, they are actually pretty decent and easy to understand.

Your biggest problem are the proportions, especially the cranium compared to the jaw/ face. Take your time to measure those relations more carefully, else your heads will always look off, no matter how good you get at the rest. Same goes for the relation of the features.

So yeah, you're off a good start. Now practice and find solutions for your problems yourself.

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>>2922831
I've really tried don't miss the proportions. Failed. =_=

>>2924636
never read hampton on heads, loomis is my god, only started using reference a few days ago. facial anatomy needs work, can you give me any more specific pointers? im following loomis' method of measurement adherently, can you be more specific about the jaw/cranium proportional issue? p.s. thanks in advance. detailed help is very useful.

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Keys to Drawing project 1E, drawing a tinted bottle. This got me so god damn frustrated, just couldnt figure it out.

>>2924645
Better than >>2917578, but you must finally realize that forehead has more height than you think, that jawline doesn't go to the ear at such a steep angle, and that cranium isn't as long as you believe it to be.

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>>2924663
Construct the bottle first, then add the details.

Start off with this, then draw the rest of the bottle.

How the fuck do I resize pics on my phone? I'd hate to drown one of you with a huge ass file.

>>2924675
Can't you wait until you get home to your computer before you upload pics to the thread?

>>2924675

Open the photo on your phone gallery. Screenshot it. Upload the screen shot. This also helps avoid unwanted turning of the photo.

>>2924666
regarding the jawline. please elaborate perhaps using the one in the bottom left as an example.
could you maybe rephrase the cranium length thing? i find that dificult to understand.
would just selotaping some more to the top of the head solve the forehead one?
thanks in advance.

also, im following loomis method of measurement, if im doing it wrong i would greatly appreciate it if you could point out precisely what i am failing to notice. again thank you for the help.

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>>2924680
'Ere's a redline for ya.

>>2923787
Did more gesture drawings, hopefully that are more true to it than the last. I pushed my time down from 60 seconds to 30 and I'm surprised I still manage to have spare time afterwards with the limit. When I think back to a couple months ago I really struggled with doing it within that timeframe, so I'm glad I've advanced in some form.

Once again, do these look any good?

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It doesn't need to be said but it just disgusts me how bad the art community is on Reddit.

You go to r/art and it is the most useless shithole I've ever seen, and 1500 people are browsing it right now.

Just to look at random artwork posted, and if you go in the comments it's either

A) Wow I love it, so beautiful, ugh just gorgeous
B) Wow this guy looks like George Lucas, hey what do you guys think of Star Wars? +30 comments

What a fucking shithole. Really brings to light the fact that most people on the planet are worthless idiot trash. /ic/ is probably less popular but the quality isn't even comparable. You can actually learn shit here.

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>>2924696
Dropped

>>2924698
Not sure if you're actually learning anything from it. Some of these are decent indeed, but the others are just a wacky set of meh lines.

>>2924702
Can you point out one or two examples of both cases from my gestures, so I can get an idea of which ones I need to improve on?

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>>2924693
thank you
just feeling my own face i think the jaw goes to the connection of the ear to the face, meaning the body of the ear is behind the jawline. not sure though, try touching your face to double check.

good shout about the eyes, ill get on that now.

p.s. i've been thinking about eye placement. dont they say its supposed to be precisely halfway down the head?

thanks again.

>>2923994
Pick up a book on drawing, and force yourself to work through it. Draw each part over and over, until it looks just like it does in the book, and then continue to the next drawing.

It's sounds stupid, but it gives you clear and obtainable goals, eliminating the stress of indecisiveness, and practicing in one area of drawing should get you improving fast, so it's easy motivation.

Hope that helps.

>>2924697
There certainly is more quality critique, but I feel like there a lack of real ambition here compared to other art forums. Everybody here is just "studying" and never really making anything. They draw the same heads, a """gesture""", a simple portrait recreation of one of the examples. All these "pieces" and no "wholes". I think it is because people here too are scared of criticism, so they allay it by posting practice pieces, compared to there where there is just no criticism.

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>>2924705
Here's one for you as well. Blue circles mean something in-between "ok" and "bad". Remember, when you practice gestures, you should draw USABLE poses, poses that you could actually see your subjects in. If your arm lines are as long as the whole body, then it's no use too.

By the way, I take it that you have never boxed or climbed a rope / a rock before and have never seen somebody else doing it?

>>2924718
To be just, there are some guys who post actual works from imagination, like
>>2922860
>>2922968
>>2922972

>>2924723
Of course except for them

>>2924625
Will do, thank you!

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Tried to draw the same girl turning her head but it looks like i drew three different girls. Any tips for maintaining likeness?

>>2923556
>>2923896
Someone else can help me?

>>2924728
Sheep always overwhelm wolves in quantity. It's hard to tell who succeeds in the end though. Sheep with a talented shepherd may easily surpass a stray wolf who has too much pride to learn from his mistakes.

>>2923940
Eyes are too big and the lips look 2d, other than that pretty good

shouldn't there be a new thread now?
Quick someone make it

>>2924747
>>2923556
The legs are too short and the head is a tad too big.

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>>2924742
It's actually pretty well done. Only the farthermost left one looks different. Small tip, when starting out with drawing forget highlights like white chalk or pencils, you don't know how to use it effectively, and for the most part you should learn shading and lighting without it, right now it acts like a crutch. Don't use it.

t. Eastern Euro art school fag.

>Hopefully image is right side up this time.

>>2924771
I mean with my problem with copying photos...

>>2924812
post ref

>>2924707
The jawline and the jaw (bone) are different things. Jawline is what you visually perceive as a dent which accumulates shadow if it isn't illuminated by a direct light (7-8 o' clock). It is located further than the jaw bone under the skin due to layers of meat and skin. If it is lit up, you won't even see any outline of a jaw.

And yeah, eyes ARE supposed to be precisely halfway down the head (it may differ for some people, but only ever so slightly), but that's for "normal" angle, aka zero vertical degrees, whatever you'd call that. Not from below or from above, but when its eyes are placed directly at eye level. Lemme post that fearsome reference again:
https://sketchfab.com/models/7bb018ad519b41cd9611554b6d3ebdac

Observe it with due attention and learn from it. The fastest learn how to draw proper heads in a matter of hours. Never seen a book that could do the same.

>>2924784
That's a handsome fella, is that a self-portrait anon?

>>2924860
Yep.

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>>2922831
The title says it all. Something wrong but i don't know what

>>2924890
It just doesn't look like the reference. Everything except the "hair" is good by itself. But if we compare your picture to the model, your lines are generally more masculine. That, and the lack of freckles (if those are freckles and not some kind of a skin disease).

So if I want to draw human heads, I learn the method to draw heads, and understand the anatomy of it. And figures, I study the anatomy of it and learn methods for it.

What if I then want to draw a 5 legged monkey whale crock monster flying trough clouds made of meat while a friendly skull with a sunflower in it's hand that is making a gesture of sadness round kicks it mid-air?

What do I learn for that? I mean I want to learn to draw, but is that how it really works, like whatever object you want to draw, you have to learn it's particulars and stuff?

It just seems rigid, and yes I am a complete newfag, but I don't exactly know WHAT I am supposed to learn if I want to be able to just put down stuff in my head on paper.

>>2924904
>> What if I then want to draw a 5 legged monkey whale crock monster flying trough clouds made of meat while a friendly skull with a sunflower in it's hand that is making a gesture of sadness round kicks it mid-air?
Oookay, you absolutely must tell me how do they call that stuff and how much did it cost you.
On a more serious note, you simply learn how to draw any element of anything that you want to draw. Any unimaginable abomination is simply composed out of things that can be found IRL. If they can be found IRL, then there's a reference. If there's a reference, it can be copied or studied until you understand how to draw it in every possible view.

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Tried to draw a skull from imagination but ended up needing some reference to place the eye sockets and nose hole.

Critike pls !

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>>2924827
further investigation though sketchy seems to suggest not

>>2924912
I whatever it is, I just break it down and then remake it into form I prefer? Kinda like a computer storing everything in 1s and 0s then reproducing it as text, image, sound etc

Can't I just copy it as I see it? in me head, or from a picture. is that a kind of 'skill' as an artist?

>>2924920
>I wha
*so

>>2924918
also note the "line (shadow)" of the jaw

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>>2924437
No construction at all yeah. Was trying to follow >>2923950 but I did not do any mid shading an only worked with black and while pretty much. The thin line that goes from the lip to the bottom of the chin was an attempt to sort of guide me in place of shading, which ended up working against me in the end. Thought I was doing well up until the cheeks and lips, but I'm glad that I discovered my homegrown shortcuts fucked me over because that only makes me want to learn even more. After I finish my homework I'm gonna start on fun with pencil and move up from there. Perspective and anatomy are my major weaknesses so I feel like those are going to be my main focus in the long run and am going to do some research in order to find other books that might not be in the sticky to help me out further.

If I can discipline myself and doodle every day for a year while working on the fundamentals, then I will consider treating myself to a drawing tablet.

Back to the shadows I go.

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>>2924946

This is me >>2924784, your drawing wasn't at all bad, but the lack of structure in it is glaring. My advice is don't try to over-complicate things. I've read some of fun with a pencil and although it's decent for beginners, I would suggest you just get an anatomy atlas for artists and start from there. Those little shortcuts that fun with a pencil suggests aren't worth your time.

Pic related is suggested by my teachers both in art high school and at art college. There's a short and long version, get the short one at first it gets the job done well and read it. Believe me half this board would avoid a lot of pain if they would focus more on figuring out things for themselves as opposed to following particular methods.

>>2923085
Her left eye is too high and looks crooked. Also the left hand is doing something weird. Practice your anatomy and how hair works. keep it up, Anon

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>>2924962
Will do, but gonna have to wait a bit to get the money saved up for it because I don't trust used copies and balancing food and hobbies blahblahblah. I'm gonna shift to Loomis' head and hands tutorial in the meantime so I can get back into the groove.

Really appreciate your advice dude, and I hope you and everyone in /beg/ keep improving.

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>>2924918
Is it though?
Btw, it's not eye centers that are usually located on the middle line, it's the lower eyelids. Of course their vertical position can vary slightly, but only ever so slightly. Mind that and mind your angle.

>>2924920
Yeah, kinda like that.
Of course you can try to draw such things directly from imagination, without looking at references... and since you're asking this here, they most likely will come out not "true" at all.

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>>2924677
The screenshot is still 800+ mb

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>>2922831
?

>>2924890
The most obvious difference to the reference to me is the chin - the girl's chin is much smaller and more rounded than what you have drawn.

But, considering I'm an absolute beginner, perhaps you should take that with a grain of salt.

P.S. I'm thoroughly jealous of your shading skills.