/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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>>2845988

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>>2845997
not too sure how I feel about this

>>2845998
wut this is terrible

why are there never any beardless reference images in the starting posts of the beginner thread

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>>2845400
>>2845821

Just gotta keep at it. keep doing various renditions till you get something you like. also the face length is because of her head tilt. The important part of this pose is to keep the facial structures in a tight triangle. also the bottom of the eyes are influnced by cheeks.

>>2846049
Because no one different ever creates the thread

>>2846049
sorry

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>>2846051
4th

>>2846057
>tfw not sure if this is a highly rendered painting or a photo

These threads go way too fast for me
>see a ref
>want to try and draw it
>find the time
>thread's already at bump limit

>>2846049
OP is a grill with good taste

>>2846055
Now look at this net

>>2846059
You can always link it in the new thread, but yeah I missed that one girl from the beginning of the last thread

>>2846058
>get referred to drawabox a year or two ago
>genuinely believe some of his reference images were rendered pictures because everyone said he was a god of drawing
>tfw

>>2846059
beards are bad anon
they get in the way and don't look professional

How, many do you guys dedicate to practice, so far Im just doing one hour and half, but thats just me doing simple exercises

>>2846059
anon, you need to be like nike and do it.
>>2846061
you didn't have the balls to draw it.

>>2846069
Varies. I've been developing hand pain so my practice sessions have gone down but my focus has improved. Just work on discipline for the most part.

>>2846072
I just didn't have the time. I could have done it better. Probably. Maybe. There's a chance.

>>2846069
I did 7-8 hours yesterday. Usually I dedicate 5 hours though. I accidentally go over when experimenting.

>>2846055
KEK yeah on that one i forgot to move the neck. I moved the back part but didn't move the front part.

>>2846081
Im trying to work my way up to something like that, unfortunately I work 10 hours shifts, and usually get home by 4-5 Pm and start getting sleepy by 9.

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keeping up with human figure, might try some chubbies

>>2846087

where do you get your refs from. I been trying to start up figure drawing again.

>>2846086
Yeah, I've actually had trouble sleeping lately. I don't get sleepy until like 1 am and I'm in the habit of sacrificing sleep for my work, so I'm not sure it's something that's possible to work towards normally?

>>2846088
pinterest is a great place for references
also lately I've been using this site

http://reference.sketchdaily.net/

it gives you random references (you can filter them male/femate, clothes/nudes, action/standing, etc) and you can set a timer (30 seconds ~ 10 minutes)

this way I'm filling up my sketching book with quick (simple and hard) poses

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Just finished this piece, what could be done better?

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Copying from comic books is the only thing that's keeping me drawing these days...

>>2846094

what do you search on pinterest i used to use it for Asian visuals but haven't in a while.

>>2846100
The clouds for sure.

>>2846100
resize to 1000px

they are augmented to all hell right? otherwise that's some fuckkkkked anatomy boiiii you trying way too much at once. focus on one thing first. either anatomy, perspective, proportions, etc. But atleast an effort was made. now use that energy towards studying and self improvement.

>>2846101
that's fine. if you don't enjoy drawing what's the point. the probability of making it is slim. enjoy the journey.

>>2846102
actually I just type "pose reference" and rando pick one so I can challenge myself everyday. but "hand reference", "legs reference", "butt reference", "chest reference", "muscle reference", "face reference", everything will give you a lot of good results

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How'd I do here.

>>2846115
ooh aight thanks bro c:

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what are acceptable 'mistakes' for copying figure. surely pic related isnt right? since ive been doing gestures ive been starting my figures using gesture instead of going straight in with boxes and now im having a harder time just copying a figure accurately

>>2846125
you do realize that with gesture you can use structural lines right?

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>>2846126
example

>>2846126
>>2846129
yeah but im not that good at gesture lol. and sometimes i have a hard time seeing slight differences in angles, the entire left side both her arm and leg are off slightly. not to mention the fucked up shoulder

>>2846132
>lol
ngmi

>>2846137
i meant kek sorry

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>>2846125
>>2846132

I think you need to work o understanding what's under the skin. it helps, right now it looks like a flabby skin outline

I wonder does anyone else look at the number when selecting colors? I feel like I'm cheating when I look over there instead of eyeing the color.

>>2846153
whut

>>2846153
hit <i> on your keyboard and get the color picker. easy.

>>2846160
You know, the sliders and how they go to 255 if you're using RGB and how they go to 100 if you're using grayscale.

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Hey guys, I have a weird art style and I was wondering if I could get some feedback. My drawings are either clean, or more "dusty", but they always have a slightly unsettling vibe. What do you guys think?
(This is one of my "dusty" drawings.)

>>2844371
One new asshole, please. Tell me how my #2 game is.

>>2846166
Never gonna make it.

>>2845988
>now that mom and dad aren't home, maybe I can be your model tonight

>>2846169
What do you mean by that?

>>2846167
>2952x5248

come back when you can resize that shit

Is MyPaint or Krita better?
I'm mainly wanting to do cartoony stuff.

>>2846166
this better be isaac fan art or wtf you doing...

>>2846166
you mean your shitty lazy 2 minute drawing in photoshop?

this would only work if you actually painted it

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>>2846166
It kind of reminds me of the drawings on the walls from fnaf.

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>>2846167
>>2846174
Fiiine

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is this arms

here's a couple examples of what im talking about. on the guy, his arms and head 'could' be how i have them drawn. but thats not an exact copy of the ref. maybe i just need to practice more

>>2846144
true

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>>2846219

>>2846210
Oh, I thought they might have been tubes of meat

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>>2846057

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Why do my shitty drawings always end up deformed, anyone got ideas on what I should work on to improve this?

>tfw think soft brush is absolutely superior to hard brush
>try out air brush
This is even better.

>>2846250
you should work your junctions. right where the shoulder meets the chest, where the forearm meets the arm, and where the thighs meet the hips.
when I look at your drawing I see the actually right anatomy, but it lacks some adipose tissue.

maybe it looks disformed because your anatomy is quite right so every woman you draw is a skinny woman

well, there is a high chance that I'm talking nonsense. can anyone double check my argument?

>>2846250
lol. I'd say draw thru the form. looking at your hips you have the line like n but it should be like u. it's mostly the right side of her that looks bad. also the had angle is off.

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The only thing I learned from this, is that most of the time, boring standing poses, are harder to draw than complex ones.

>>2846250
Compare the negative space, put your paper on top of your monitor to compare it if you have to.

>>2846250
How is this file size huge? What the fuck?

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>>2846472
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Don't use .pngs for these type of drawings

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is it still useful to draw with reference if the end doesn't look anything like the reference? Today I didn't do hw so instead I just drew a couple of pictures I found on pinterest. First it was just faces and necks but then I found these interesting vouge magazine photos and decided to give those a shot. However they don't look anything like my ref, Any of them. I always been horrible at using ref. Like the grids and measuring. I usually just wing it. should I be measuring or should I still work with boxes and later do measuring for refs?

>>2846512
Yes.

Measure and work with construction.

>>2846060

That I just found

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still shit but making steady improvement

>>2846564
At least you have a legit pencil

when drawing from life do I need to keep one eye closed the whole time? that seems strenuous

>>2846588
yes anon how did you miss that?
any master artist worth his salt tells you that before anything else, you need to only perceive your reference with one eye at a time, this counts even when not drawing from life

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>>2846564

Lots of symbol drawing here man. Your really need to work on head construction before you go for facial details. Look up proko on youtube and re-read the sticky.

>>2846588
you haven't bought your art eyepatch yet? what are you doing on /ic/?

Measuring is balls hard. Even after that video I don't understand in. Anyone got any tips?

>>2846588
real master artists can keep both their eyes closed the whole time

If you haven't developed your soul-seeing third eye by the age of 12, you're not gonna make it.

>>2846564
>drawing a sandnigger

ahahahahahahhahahahaha

>>2846614
You're the one who supplied the reference anon

>>2846599
Cool thanks, I still have alot of symbol breaking exercises to get through.

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check out my autism

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>>2844376
My mom thinks I'm gay ;_;

Guys, please help me..How are you supposed to shade with pencil..I just dont get it. I know how to shade like forms..but i have no idea how to like blend everything togehter.

>>2846676
LMGTFY.

>>2845147
Glad to see you still working! The progress is visible but you still have a long journey ahead of you.
The values seem better, just try blending it more smoothly and make greater contrasts, maybe try drawing on a toned paper and get a white pencil for highlights. Pay more attention to the reference picture and measurements.
I hope you get to read this even if it's in another thread, since you didn't get any replies in the previous one. Keep on practicing!

>>2846676
Are you stupid or is this just bait?

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i made this shit today ....

>>2846564
>pencil in frame
ngmi

I don't know HOW to practice.
Is that a retarded thing to say?

>>2846870
No, but how to practice and what to practice depends on your level of skill. There's no point in practicing figure everyday if you simbol drawing everything because you didn't learn the basics.

>>2846879
>how to practice and what to practice depends on your level of skil
I guess that's the thing.
I struggle mostly with perspective. Like, I got all the books, but it's like i just copy from them and dont GET it anyways.

>>2846881
I would recomend Erik Olson's perspective series but /ic/ never does it because they are pretty heavy. However I will say that I have not had problems with perspective after watching those videos.

>>2846883
will check out.
Thanks, brah

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>>2845988
Well, this is my first foray into this sort of thing. I try to used construction to plot it out in advance but it's not a concept I know well and I only really imitated it.

It's definitely better than what I could have done without my attempt at construction, but obviously nowhere near proper. What should I be focusing on?

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Let's make some kind of competition
Draw pic
No shadows, no colors, just lineart + drawing through the form (yes, thats right, you gotta show your hidden lines on the picture)

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>>2845998
Alright, I've made a quick map of where everything is without trying to take the face into consideration itself, just the shapes. Will this set me up to draw it properly?

>>2846890
The perfect next step for a beginner of your degree is to work through the book Keys to Drawing.

What's wrong with your drawing is symbol drawing (breast), not drawing what you truly see (torso) and wrong proportions (head).

Keys to Drawing is the correct first step to get started with all of these at once. Godspeed, friend.

>>2846903
Cool. Thanks for the help friend.

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>>2846896
What in the fuck

How did I screw this up

I want to stop drawing this is fucking disgusting

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Tiny landscape practice

>>2846940
Failure is an inevitable part of learning. In this case, you've missed the perspective pretty heavily. The camera in your reference is about where his chin is whereas the "camera" in your drawing is nose level. Your guy is looking strait on whereas the ref is looking down.

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Ok, this is one of my first works in digital. Having the images one next to the other makes things way easier. I tried rendering the drawing like some people here on /ic/ but it's total shit. I promised to start learning it once I learn to draw decently.
Still, am I doing it right by having the images like this or should I go back drawing on paper while looking at photos on my monitor?

>>2846940
I don't feel you're looking at the ref enough
flip that shit, turn it upside down, move it into another position, keep your mind thinking and idle too much

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This is fucking dumb. How the fuck am I supposed to go from white to crosshatching? If I separate my lines too much it looks retarded and I loose detail, while if I join them too much it'll go from white to pure dark as my soul, and the contrast just feels off. Is this just one of those things I'll get with time?

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>going through Keys
>"Have a friend pose for you"
>have no friends

So this is how it ends...

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>>2846970
Not sure if I'll be able to explain well with words, so I'll include a shitty example as pic.
But basically you go like:
>white>>>hatch at angle "x">>>crosshatch at angle "y">>>crosshatch at angle "z"
You don't need to make the distance too tight, just not too far in between.

>>2846983
prozzy

>>2846983
>abloobloo I'm a social outcast
Use a mirror or go to croqui cafe.

>>2846940
You are not thinking about the face in 3D.

Look again how the mouth exists in the reference.

Also: measure the length of the eye (yours is too big) and think of it like a sphere, not some random shape that lies flat on the face.

You didn't give a fuck about the shape of his ear. Again, think placement and give it volume.

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I just started learning perspective, so constructive criticism would be very appreciated.

>>2845985

Is it ok to post artwork studies related to My little pony, or would that still be going against GR15?

>>2847026
Check out how ellipses turn

>>2847034
dont post that stuff here. use deviantart or 9gag. post your fundamental exercises here.

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>>2845990
Don't know a thing about rendering. Drawings like these make me feel like im ngmi

>>2847040
I also spent way too much time on it. It was at least an hour and some change.

>>2847038

>post your fundamental exercises here.
>dont post that stuff here

Ok

>use deviantart or 9gag

[spoiler]You made me shiver in disgust[/spoiler]

>>2847026
Her neck / head is fucked. The back of her head should be on the same plane as her back, right now if you continue the line on her back to join the head you'll see how fucked it is

>>2847040
You feel you're more hopeless than you are because you're attempting tasks outside your skill level. You could call it outside your comfort zone, but let's not pretend you have one in the first place.
Read Fun With a Pencil, do as many drawings as there are example drawings and make up your own when you're told to.

>>2847042
>incorrect spoiler
>spoiler on this board
>hey guys popular sites are bad lmao
>misunderstanding my post that was very clearly worded
i dont think you belong here. consider some other places that might help you improve such as proko forums or reddit /r/artbuddy

>>2847052

And I think you're an asshole that needs to get drawing and shut up already.


[spoiler]Fag[/spoiler]

>>2847060
fight me cunto

>>2847063

You're on. Draw something intimidating to show off your skillz.

[spoiler]I'll do the same[/spoiler]

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>>2847060
>>2847063
Please stop fighting, both of you! How do you even do practice fundies with MLP fan art? What the heck sort of practices do you do with them?

>>2847068

You kidding? Ponies are based off basic real horse anatomy, you can practise construction/perspective/gesture and even rendering with mlp no problemo.

It's all just shapes in space anyway

>>2847070
Oh hell I was confused, I thought you were doing fan art than actual horses, that's awesome. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to post real horses here.

What are the best sketchbooks to get? It seems impossible to find any with a decent amount of pages and good quality paper.

>>2846940
This is photoshop? Why does it look so weird?

>>2847075


Thanks friendo, I'll keep it pone free though. Getting banned is just not worth it.

>>2847057
It's pretty obvious you need more darks and lights in some places. Looking good though.

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>>2846042
That's the elusive armpussy.

>>2847057
Good values but you need to define the edges better and go darker.

>>2847082
I used Strathmore drawing and sketching 400 series sketchbooks when starting out, they're really good, but if you can get them, I recommend Canson mixed media sketchbooks. Do some research on paper weight. If you want paper that's cheap, Strathmore newsprint is great, but it'll deteriorate in a couple of years.

bonus: I make my tortillions/stumps out of strathmore newsprint paper.

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>>2846100
You put a lot of work into a form that looks busted. Study anatomy or perspective and get comfortable with either, then work on the other, then you can merge the two.

>>2847094
>bonus: I make my tortillions/stumps out of strathmore newsprint paper.
Those things cost like a dollar, you cheap ass nigga.

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Took me about 30min, I'm a beginner
any suggestions?

>>2847088
>>2847093
Thanks a lot for the help, I tried going 1 layer only with that one

>>2847099
1 dollar you could have saved for a coffee, you extravagant ass mothafucka.

>>2847086
>not knowing you can change the settings
>thinking it looks weird

if you grew up with the grey background photoshop the new black colorway is jarring

>>2847110
I grew up with grey background photoshop, but I've also used white background SAI, so black is like whatever. It's no difference to me mate. I hardly even notice the background, I'm too into my work.

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It looks really horrible; I'll keep studying from life rather than drawing from imagine

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>>2845993
I tried...

>>2847122
Try a little harder.

>>2847121
>tfw anon actually did loomis and can draw better heads than you

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It was too big gdi


>>2847124
Well I spent an hour and a half on that pos. Shouldn't take nearly that long for such a low quality outcome.

>>2847130
It does take that long when you're shit. Just a typical beginner thing. Spend up to five hours and I'm sure it'll come out look pretty good.

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>>2847121
After intense editing they look a bit more normal, but they all look infantile, have a feminine delicacy to them, and lack defining traits. How do I go about making my heads more complex?

I'm using a mechanical pencil and would like to know which one is best to draw 0.3, 0.5, 0.7 or 0.9?

This is no excuse for drawing bad, I just want to know which is the best or, at least, the most used.

Sorry about my English, Google translate

>>2847134
I've always heard to never polish a turd, though. I guess I won't get upset at taking forever if it's the newb norm. Maybe one day I can pop them out in 15 minutes or something.

>>2847151
That's what shitty artists tell you. A good artists would tell you to spend as much time as you possibly can to improve your artwork.

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>>2847126
This one?

>>2847149
Any kind of lead is good.

It's a choice that depends on what is to your tastes.

>>2847143
Study real people. See what features make them unique and simplify them. Try to caricature them, then mix and match.

>>2846257
damn, well done

>>2847143
Also, after you've seen real people, go back to Loomis.

Check pp. 41 of Fun with a Pencil. It shows different face types based on simple shapes.

Try to match some of them to the people you've observed.

>>2846581
>>2846861
kek why is that frown upon

>>2847169
Pretentious and sanctimonious as all hell. Reeks of reddit and normalfaggotry.

>>2847157
>>2847163
Thank you! I've never read Fun With a Pencil, only Drawing the Head and Hands; I understand why people start there now

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I am trying to understand/apply perspective for vehicles but failing kinda harderu. Also, I have no idea how to render (wanna finish book on perspective before diving into that).


How bad are they, senpai?

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>>2847057
Added fixes from >>2847088 and >>2847093
defined edges and added darker and lighter values

>>2847183
If a vehicle looks like it's coming from one direction, it's likely in perspective anyways. Most people wouldn't be able to notice it's off.
Also, what don't you get about rendering? Just do it evenly and layer until you get your darker values. Don't press too hard or else you can't layer it as well and get stuck with a value. By the way, really like the top right one. That car actually looks like the car!

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>>2847037
thanks, will do
>>2847043
Better?

>>2847187

>>2847187

>By the way, really like the top right one. That car actually looks like the car!

That's friend, it's meant to be a Hyundai Santa fe from 2008 if you care to know.

>Also, what don't you get about rendering?

I don't know the terminology, and I haven't done many still life's to have a good sense for it. My capacity to see and understand values is really bad. I am going to get going on it, once I get through Scott Robertson's How to Draw book. (Jump straight into How to render by the same author)

>>2847183
They are alright, but really messy, I recomend Scott "Perspective is my bitch" Roberston. Check out "How to draw" and "How to draw cars", amazing tutorials.

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>>2847188
She is missing a part of the back of her skull. You need to think of what's under.

>>2847173
lol okay

>>2847202

You're right, I have horrible line economy. I can't agree more with your recommendations, it's what I am following right now!

>>2847203
Ohhhhhh. I get it now. Thanks anon.

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>>2845993
I tried as well

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>>2845990
any tips on drawing facial hair and critique in general?

>>2847236
Zoom in really really close.

>>2847236
>tfw was thinking everyone in this thread sucks
>see this
>begin to rethink own work
Are you going to refine that further?

>>2847236
Good job on the thumbnail, brush strokes need a bit of work, you can try simplifying the beard by darkening the area, what you want to most is to avoid drawing every individual strand.

>>2847236
damn, I'd be lucky if I was this good in 3 years

i'm never gmi :(

>>2847247
It only takes a few weeks to get this good.

sort of a beginner for too many years
where the hell do i start with even drawing?
i have books, but none of them seem to even be as basic as i apparently can understand

like, drawing figures and shapes are bad and shit. so much stuff is tossed around and it just confuses the fuck out of me. aren't shapes what we use for EVERYTHING? then why is symbol drawing bad? isn't that the basics of drawing in general?

you guys make no damn sense explaining this shit!

>>2847248
I've been practicing and studying for over a month. I'm not even close

like I said, never gmi

>>2847250
sticky

>>2847251
So have I and I can do this, it just takes a really long time because you have to constantly check your values.

>>2847250
Just keep drawing until it looks right

>>2846100
Needs more electronic old men.

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Friendly reminder that we're all gonna make it!

>>2847206
Delete yourself.

>>2847236
can you draw from imagination tho?

>>2847253
I guess I'm just a retard then, no amount of time would let me draw that, or even anything that's not a turd

>>2847309
Take up scat commissions then.

>>2847314
Even my turds are turds

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>>2846101

Some more

>>2847057

look into ambient occlusion anon and how it works.

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This is for all you dumbasses that keep thinking you're never gonna make it because you're stupid fucks that don't have the determination to work hard at their crafts.

PS in case you're confused as I'm sure you are, this is John Singer Sargents early work.

Your lives are but an occasion and its time to rise up to it.

>>2847350
>tfw his early work is still better than the shit you work for hours on
NGMI

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>>2847350
He was 13 years and 4 months old when he drew that, just so you know.

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>>2847350
Varg?

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>>2847350
Who wore it better?

>>2847161
Thank you

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>>2845990
whatever, need to practice more but work always gets in the way

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Conventional construction. Foreshortening exercise.

Ref'd loosely on a Kuvshinov's piece. I like his style. It's about my happy place for the level of deviation from realism...

Couple progress shots to follow.

40 mins

Started early January this year.

Help always welcome. Links to relevant books will earn a big sloppy "thank you very much."

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>>2847394

Scribblies

>>2847394
Good stuff, keep at it!

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>>2847394
>>2847395

First scribblies on page... Some lines, construction marks, shaded areas... Stuff things/

>>2847397

:3

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Can anyone recommend me some tutorial or a book on helmet and armor design mostly futuristic? Pic related, its some random stuff from artstation, preferably for something better

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>>2847242
>>2847244
Is this better? I feel like I should mess around with the hand more

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>>2847394
foreshortening? Ok the gun is foreshortened, but usually foreshortening refers to a particular pose where a subject is lying on their back with their head toward the viewer and the rest of the body is pointing to the vanishing point.
This painting here of Caravaggio - Supper at Emmaus is a classical example of foreshortening errors. The man with his hands out stretched they both appear to be the same size even though the right hand should smaller in comparison with the left.

>>2847405
Hell yeah it's better. Keep going, anon, you're doing great.

>>2847407


whAAAt?

Foreshortening is just the name for maintaining scale in perspective drawing, particularly at low viewing angles and close POV...

The pose to which you are referring would make heavy use of foreshortening, but foreshortening is done with anything drawn at an angle to the viewer...

>>2847407

Also yes, that painting is an excellent example of fucking up foreshortening...

Pity, because besides the scaling problem, all the other perspective stuff works.

>start drawing
>smell burning smell
>>oh no did my pc finally catch fire because i haven't cleaned it in five years?
>check inside pc
>nothing
>examine whole house
>narrow it down to a room
>lamp is about to catch fire
>unplug
>lost all traction for my drawing

>>2847432
This is what happens when you be cheap

Working on Key's to drawing and I cant find a good model on the web that's doing a reclining figure so i can practice foreshortening a body.

does anyone have a good pic on hand?

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>>2846250
Thanks for posting. That was an interesting exercise.
You have a good foundation in terms of laying down construction lines. You had her left leg placed back a little too far. This has some good perspectives on her body and the way her head is twisted back so we are drawing her face from below.
Good exercise in terms of stretching your foreshortening and 3-quarter view of the face.

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>>2847466
There's really not a lot of reclining in Hyperangle but this is the closest I can find. Sorry if it doesn't fit what you need!

>>2847473
>these are the people giving you advice

>>2847476
>those legs
Holy shit, that no smooth transition because of veins.

>>2847476
it's better then anything i've tried to find, thanks!

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>>2847466
Something like this might work.

>>2847489
thanks, this will work as well.

>>2847473
let me guess: you got lazy around the face

fucking drawabox bullshit boxes making me feel retarded

goddamn why am I so shit at visualizing a box turning in 3d

drawing is just so stressful for me every step of the way. I'm ngmi and I hate myself for wanting to draw, I'm wasting so much time procrastinating it so I can't even get decent

>>2847496
Yes that is what happened. How did you do with this exercise?
I was supposed to get up and resharpen my pencil. but decided to sit and drink beer instead.

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Landscape work in progress

>>2847506
does your name begin with an E?

>>2847514
there's not enough jagged hard edges for this to be eric

>>2847514
haha no it does not. Who is it you think I could have been?

>>2847539
ill get him one day.
then ill hit him with the parrot videos

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>>2847514
>>2847539

here i am

>>2847561
>that no perspective on the tail

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am I retarded?

I'm a beginner that started a few years back put ended up putting art down. I want to try again.

Should I use digital or pencil to start up with?

>>2847504
I feel you, anon. It gets easier to visualize as you continue to do so. Don't give up. The more you procrastinate the more you regret wasting time not drawing later on.

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I was just dicking around drawing, and I made this sketch. Should I trash it or polish it?

>>2847565
nah, that seems like good practise

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spoogy sgarry sgeledons zend jivers down your sbine

>>2847570
i dont even know what you're trying to go for here and it seems as if neither do you

that might be information enough

>>2847563
as in atmospheric perspective or its too big compared to the front end

>>2847578
>this line work
>this skellyton
>this everything
Are you sure you're in the right thread?

>>2847585
The former.

>>2847588
hes been pretty good for a while.
probably already in /draw/.
still has work to do though.

>>2847590
oh good tip. i dont think i would have noticed if someone didnt point it out. ill lighten and desaturate then. should i add a treasure chest and skelly pirate for funs?

>>2847581
I don't know what I'm doing, so should I keep going?

>>2847598
so is this a sarcastic reply or what bc i gave you genuine insight lmao

>>2847601
Wait, I'm just retarded. My bad

>>2847597
>for fun
no fun. only training.

Hey guys, all of my drawings have this sorta ms-paint kinda vibe. Does anyone know any tips for combating this?

>>2847642
Stop using ms paint for one

>>2847646
(Thanks, cunt <3 ) I usually use a tablet and a stylus, and I've moved onto trying faces and stuff. But I can never make a refined drawing look good.

>>2847651
What size canvas do you use?

How long are you spending on a drawing?

>>2847655
I use an app called SletchBook (Pro)

I usually take a day trying to perfect a drawing

>>2847657
Post your work.

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>>2847660
I did this one a week ago I think.
I can't do facial expressions so I usually do a mask. I was also figuring out how hoods work and stuff.

>>2847665
Have you never heard of a thing called contrast?

I can't even see what you drew.

What you need is to learn value.

That should fix everything.

>>2847665
if your styles has no sensitivity it'll always look like paint. There are good art made with 1px brushes so maybe look into that. but looking at your lines alone you can tell you don't draw often. do you lock your wrists? draw with your shoulder and elbow. keep that going for atleast a month of 4~6hr of practice. your lines should get better.

>>2847675
>>2847669
Holy shit some actual feedback. I usually do lock my wrist, and I'm gonna try and fix that. I usually draw sitting down, my back leaning against something and I use my lap to hold my tablet. Should I change my sitting position?

>>2847685
as long as you are comfortable and can use the full range of motion afforded by using your shoulder and elbow for drawing than it should be fine. You just need a lot of mileage to get your lines too look better. Nothing can substitute practice in that area.

>>2847704
I don't know if I can thank you enough, I'm really glad you helped me. Thank you very much.

>>2847669
Any ideas on how I should fix the contrast? Obviously making it brighter, but anything else?

>>2847710
Learn the value scale.

White is the lightest, black is the darkest.

Grey is in-between.

Anything a light color it near a dark color, it will seem more lighter/darker.

That's called contrast.

You also need to learn how to transition between values smoothly, so you give form to your drawings.

Since you use color, watch a video on color theory. Or a few.

>>2847710
no problem a common problem I see is the lines thing and there really isn't a simple solution besides hard work and keeping that wrist locked. I'm afraid it'll eventually become a meme tho. Also not the contrast anon but lighting and contrast is a more advanced concept imo. If you want to go for it that's fine and the only real pointer I could give you is maybe start with grey scale. It's easier to grasp contrast when you arent worried about color at the same time.

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I have a lot of trouble mapping out where things should be and how they relate to other parts, I've been using negative space and angles as checkers but the mistakes will still go through sometimes.

Any critique would be greatly appreciated

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>>2847721
This was my reference, which I was sure was in this thread but now I can't find it.

>>2847721
Use the length of your body parts obviously anon.

>>2847721
http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

I don't mean to shill this all the time but it's worked for me.

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>>2847236
>critique in general?
use a real medium.

>>2847776
>http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/
how is it shill if you can pay 0?

pixelovely figure studies
why is art so hard

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>>2847863
herp

>>2847279
haha lol

>>2846963
Someone please?
Also where do I learn basic rendering to replace shading? What brush should I used, how and what colour?

>>2847913
cntrl paint

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This was my first time using Photoshop to try and draw something. I'm pretty happy with it but I think the shadows need some work.

>>2847923
Poster here, my lines are always really wonky when I use that. I can do them pretty good with a pencil though. Any suggestions on drawing with the mouse?

>>2847895
dont come here again

>>2847924
>Any suggestions on drawing with the mouse?
just be yourself

>>2847924
Save up 60$ and buy a wacom intuos draw. Until then keep drawing with pencil.

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I need a fucking scanner. the majority of the color is lost and things look washed out. That being said I still think my forms blend together too much. I am also shit at landscapes. Anyway. This is my 4th watercolor painting.

HALP!

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>>2847989
This is the refrence I was painting from. Admitting it was not a amazing painting to start and in actual size the image is about 2"X3" so it was hard to work from.

>>2847990
Where did you get this awesome ref

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What's the correct order to learn how to do art? I want to paint and do lineart, I have plenty of free time, but I don't know where to start or what step I'm on. My drawings from references feel ok, but from imagination, I feel like I'm lacking, which is something I'd like to get better at. What do I do?

Some works from late 2016 for reference

>>2848007
The correct order is drawing from imagination and seeing what's the first thing you get stuck at. Then work at that thing.

>>2846648
Bump?

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>>2846895
hokay

>>2848122
Use Inventor

>>2847407
>>2847418

you both are idiots, caravaggio was a genius, he deliberately made those hands larger to better fit the composition whilst also making the gesture of the man visible as the painting was strung up high on the wall and not all the minute details were visible. The hand had to be larger, if it was smaller it wouldn't be noticeable and would look like the man is trying to suggest to another person in the room not to come forward. This again is also a story telling design choice.

>>2847815

when your traditional medium is so outdated and pointless for the digital age. NGMI

>>2848290
I dare say that in order to learn to draw you should work on your drawing skill and not your handwriting.

>>2848294
but is handwriting not merely symbol drawing perfected?

>>2848304
And why would you want to learn how to symbol draw?

>>2847992
I'll post more and show you the book title if you crit the above >>2847989

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These are probably terrible, but how do I make them better?

>>2848207
>when your traditional medium is so outdated and pointless for the digital age.
depends if you're trying to sell art or sell your abilities desu. Nobody is impressed by photoshops that emulate paintings. Nobody will ever buy that shit.

>>2848481
practice more, do vertical contours even.

>>2848511
>>2848511
>>2848511

>>2848511
>>2848511
>>2848511

>>2848511
>>2848511
>>2848511

>>2848516
I don't really understand what you mean by vertical contours, do you have examples?

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>>2848529
Sorry I meant do more cross contours like so.
We used to do this with apples and other round objects. You did on some.

>>2848534
Ohhh, I see. Thanks man. I unintentionally did it on some because DaB recommends to draw a line that represents centre of mass if you're having trouble, but I'll try and do it correctly now, thanks again!

>>2847344
Thank you, anon, will read up on it now

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>>2847642
>>2847657
>>2847665
I'm the poster from yesterday (posted those posts and more). I've been trying and practicing the tips you guys gave me, and I'm trying to figure out how I could make it look more contorted. Anyone have any thoughts/tips?

(I'm using those two pictures for help btw)