/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2844340
jej

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It's my birthday. Pls no hate.

>>2844433
There is no hating on /ic/

Only constructive criticism

Drop the pen, pick up a pencil

Come back in another hour or two of effort

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I'm going to repost
Gimme a go
The reference was
>>2838622

>>2844437

>There is no hating on /ic/

>Only constructive criticism

I regularly post in /beg/ and the majority of replies amount to "end yourself"

Anyway, why do you recommend a pencil? I've read that pen helps speed up improvement as you're less likely to keep polishing a turd.

>>2844448
If your are using construction lines, it is better to use pencil so you can erase them. It helps keep things looking clean.

>>2844433
>>2844437
Where do I learn construction line shit, I can't find nuffin, and I looked at the sticky. I bought one of them books too.

>>2844433
Hey its my bday too anon!

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>>2844371

>>2844477
You want to learn that?

It's really not as important as you think it is.

Sure it helps, but if you learn that you're more accurate at drawing from sight, then it's not like it matters much.

But, Loomis has construction all the time in his books.

Search any anatomy tutorial and you'll get construction.

Drawabox teaches you construction too for animals. Not sure if the figure section is back or not yet, but it was pretty good when it was there.

>>2844485
>was going to draw it first
Damn you anon.

>>2844495
Then just draw it better than him.

>>2844487
>Sure it helps, but if you learn that you're more accurate at drawing from sight, then it's not like it matters much.

Hmmm, ok, I'll keep drawing and see where I end up. It just seems like getting the basic shapes down would be helpful.

>>2844477

Proko on youtube has good construction tutorials and yeah, Loomis's Fun with a Pencil is good.

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Tree study

>>2844506
So what did you learn

>>2844473

Good point. I'll pick it up again although I hate sharpening pencils. It's tedious and the shavings sometimes go everywhere.

>>2844506
nice.

>>2844507
Trees are sticky business.

>>2844505
>Loomis

I think I'll check out his books. I saw a video or two by Proko, but I prefer writing.

>>2844516
>prefer writing
>on an art board where it's all about images
???

>>2844518

He means he prefers to read tutorials not watch tutorials ya dingus.

>>2844507
Good question. Maybe should have said practice? A lot of what I'm getting out of this is value and stroke confidence.

>>2844514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d1dwgc-oIs you taking /beg/s advice

>>2844526
Cute video but it's a joke.
>Trees
>Sticks

Dad joke tier but little surprised it went over your head.
>Captcha: select the trees
Even googles data mining software gets it.

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>>2844380
Ehhh

>>2844532
im talking about you in general, not your post

>>2844535
Why are there like random lines everywhere?

>>2844540
have you never seen a sketch?

>>2844536
>1 post
>YOU'RE LIKE THIS ASS HOLE BIRD

Unless you're some creepy mod that's following me around i don't see how you can really make that assumption based on a bad pun.

>>2844547
you arent eric?
i made a call that you were

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This was some anatomy practice, any tips? Is it bad?

>>2844548
Bad call then. If you were an umpire the entire yankee stadium would have desecrated your corpse by now with pitch forks and fecal matter.

how do i draw from imagination without wanting to kill myself over my results

>>2844556
I think you forgot about 8 heads. And body proportions.

>>2844556
T H I C C

>>2844559
you use references to help fill the gaps in your visual library.

>>2844559
Just accept that they'll be shit until you start drawing more.

>>2844556
those cow things arent really common anatomy

>>2844459
Yeah I wouldn't say im trying to do a style but it's my attempt at semi-real semi anime. But thanks c:

Also your post was exactly what I was hoping for. I'm try and just bust fundamentals for a while. Any books I should use for this? If not i'ma just try and draw cubes from different angles for a while and see how that goes.

>>2844578
You should just draw characters because drawing boxes does not help you.

>>2844581
I was thinking of just drawing shapes and stuff cause I feel my hand doesnt draw what I feel I want to do. Like my lines wabble and stuff. So was thinking I could strengthen my dexterity with just long spans of simple practice. But if doing characters is just as good I might do that instead haha.

>>2844578
Needs to be more than just cubes. Draw things in variety different shapes different angles. Set up basic stuff in your room and draw it boxes to start, bottles and things like that after awhile.

Do that last one a lot too. If you're doing mostly digital just find images you want to try then draw them, overlay to see how off you are then try again. Finish the entire drawing before you overlay to compare. You're training your eye this way. Once you're kinda 1 to 1 or within small margin of error try drawing it again but compare to your closest drawing. Make note of where you're off and by how far it'll expose how accurate your eye is and how you need to train it.

This will help a lot with drawing from reference and drawing same things repeatedly like characters more accurately. When you get heavy into proportions it'll be easier to study and understand too.

Ultra beginner here.

How the fuck do you guys sketch circles or curved edges efficiently? I can do lines fine, but the second I have to curve something it comes out really bad.

>>2844601
>how do i x
practise

>>2844603
Not real feedback.

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>>2843275
eh?

>>2844607
get the fuck out

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send help anon

>>2844610
Go fuck yourself.

>>2844611
STOP

>>2844608
pretty good
hands should be a tad smaller i think
eyes a bit smaller (personal opinion)
idk if you want to make her cuter but try smaller nose and mouth.
ears look wrong (confirm?)
a bit less stocky (calves, knee area, arms, etc) (personal opinion)

>>2844611
loomis

>>2844613
do you wanna fuckn go cunto

>>2844615
Agree w/ pretty much all your criticisms, will fix.

>>2844616
eye in middle, brow above, nose half under that, bottom lip half under that, ear to the side of brow and bottom of nose, corner of jaw connects to lip, cheek bone next to the bottom of the nose, mouth lines from center of nose to underneath the bottom lip, the other cheek line from chin to keystone
assuming none of that is wrong, i still fail the most basic thing which is locating the side of the skull and where the fuck the ear is supposed to be in terms of distance

>>2844601
are you drawing with your shoulder? don't draw with your wrist. Try and have your wrist locked and make the movements with your shoulder and elbow. Don't draw with your fingers and wrists. Maybe for finer details it's okay but for the most part shoulder and elbow movements.

also if you just trying to do perfect circles use a circle tool. keep practicing them freehand and they will eventually look better.

>>2844628
I'll try this out, thanks.

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Heard I have to do homework to improve.
Will filling out pages with shapes and lines help me improve? Should I go about things differently. I draw digitally in my room on screen and don't have room to set up still lifes.

>tfw i'm literally worse than hitler

>>2844645
If you don't know if it's helping you improve. It's fucking not.

Go draw something else.

Why are you guys so dumb?

Literally drawing a still life will tell you that you're improving if you put in the effort.

>>2844687
Not him but it's hard to be smart about something as fucking opinionated as art when you're first going into it, you snobby cunt. All information helps.

>tfw decide to try out digital painting again on photoshop
>going at it with a hard brush
>wait how do I get it to transition
>blend
>wait where's blend
>okay got it
>have to constantly move back between blending and hard brush
This can't be right. I think it's because I've never painted before that I'm not getting it, but this is definitely different than rendering with a pencil. SAI had it much easier in that the blend was built in with the brush.

>>2844706
By blend do you mean smudge?
You should be using the color picker to blend, don't smudge.

>>2844707
>You should be using the color picker to blend,
What does this mean?
Like picking out the color that's inbetween?

>>2844645
hey i don't know whats up the other anons ass but to answer your question simply, yes, I've done it, it's helped me. Repetition of the fundies is what most people have to do to understand them, true of most everything. Also do it traditionally. Can't stress that enough. Use pen for those line exercises. If you ever question why you're doing it, tell yourself it's to develop your hand eye coordination. If you want it bad enough, you'll stick through this boring shit. anyways good luck.

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What's the best raster editor to use on a toaster? This is obviously for digital drawing/painting.

>>2844712
Microsoft paint

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>>2844716
Please be joking

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Critique, please

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>>2844757
ref

>>2844757
>>2844759
copying shit

you're doing it wrong.

>>2844761
but this is what the sticky and everyone keeps telling me

>>2844757
>>2844759
I can ignore the fact that furshit but you need a better sub fetish. It's trash.

Perspective is off from the original, it's kind of forward facing compared to the upskirt kind of angle they got there. Check your negative spaces as a guideline how you're doing, it becomes easier to see how much you vary from the original by how much the negative spaces differ.

Usually we pay such close attention to the positive we over look the negative and that's often the tell tale that somethings off more than the positive. You know it doesn't look quite right but you can't ever put your finger on it. That's usually why or atleast i think as to why.

>>2844767
What kind of women are YOU into?

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>>2844766
You're supposed to do it from life, not someone's interpretation of life.

And don't get hung up on the word "copy." Pic related.

>>2844767
I did the negative space thing once or twice, but yeah I can see what you mean. Thanks for the tip.

>>2844773
I draw millions of things from life every day, can't I draw something I like every once and a while for fun? Despite copying, I found this was fun to draw, unlike old men's faces and vases and shit. I feel like I got to have some kind of fun drawing if I want to continue.

>>2844775
If you're going to copy something just for fun that's another contemporary artists work, don't post it here and ask for critique. if you copy stuff from life so much, you can go make up your own images and not copy.

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>Tfw you keep drawing for a year at an hour a day

I'll be able to draw how I really want to with 2 more years of this.

>>2844779
thanks

>>2844707
Alright I've figured out what you mean by color picker, but this is really slow to do. Is this really how it's done? I have to pick every single time I do another stroke?

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>>2844780
i guess you shouldn't have expected anything more anyway for an hour a day

>>2844780
It really just depends on how quick you pick up on what you've learned and how quick you can apply it the right way to your work.

But I do this in my free time and I aim for 3-4 hours in the week days. 6-8 on the weekends.

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Am I getting the right idea down with these gestures, or are these inherently wrong? Do they read good enough to you guys?

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>>2844780

>I'll be able to draw how I really want to with 2 more years of this.
>2 years

4 hours a day is the BARE MINIMUM if you want to make it in less the 5 years

But good progress so far.

>>2844780
It bothers me a bit that you changed your lighting but along the way picked up better anatomy and perspective.

>>2844780
Holy shit, this makes me really want to grind for 4+ hours a day now. I have the time, but actually pencil-on-paper drawing, not analysing or measuring out, is something I have trouble with. I struggle since there's so much cool shit I want to draw, but I have to grind basic shapes and mundane objects to get the skill to draw what I want.

Anyway, sorry, this is a lot of words to just to ask, what can I do to get into the zone when I'm bored from the start of what I'm drawing? Is it possible? Or do I just slog through it?

>>2844801
To get into the zone, you just keep going even when you're bored. After a while, you'll be in it and suddenly realize you're in the zone. No one ever just begins in the zone, we just know how to get into the zone.

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>>2844370
Tear me apart Senpai.

>>2844806
Post your ref

>>2844803
I can't stop thinking about how dull the exercise is and I'm hyper aware of time. I don't know how to just focus.

>>2844809
Then drop those exercises. Exercises are dumb as fuck anyways. I've already said this. Just go draw something already, this is the quickest way to understand how to get into the zone. Drawing something wrong and then trying to fix it will bring you into the zone so quick you won't even notice it.

>>2844771
I can definitely get down with the furfag variety so long as the art is good.

I prefer petite or average. excessive or hyper anything is just vomit tier. Often why i still frown on most forms of porn because most porn is absolute shit tier in expanding everything til the point it's not even remotely attractive.

>>2844774
you just need to get tighter at it so you close the gaps of difference. Most of your practice will be honing in that.

>>2844779
While it might seem bad it's not a bad skill to develop so if he needs to work from reference or a character sheet it'll come out looking better than if he just guesses at it most every time.

He won't learn shit if that's what he does 24/7 but learning the skill to utilize later is important if you plan to do more than 1 time illustrations.

>think this is finally the right value
>move it up 1%
>it now looks completely wrong as it turns out it could be even darker
Why is 1% such a difference, this is insane.

>>2844812
But I've been told to refrain from drawing too complex subjects. I'm getting conflicting advice and idk wat do

>>2844816
>too complex subjects
What the fuck is this even supposed to mean? Drawing isn't like math. You do whatever the fuck you want. If you want to draw a bird, draw a bird. It may take you a while, but you'll learn how to draw a bird faster the next time around and the next to the point you could probably speed paint it within a minute from memory in a month if all you did was the same bird.

>>2844817
Advice I got from >>2844094, in response to my awful bird drawing

>>2844821
And you listened to them? You let someone tell you something was too hard and that you should give up? Might as well just have stamped not gonna make it onto your forehead because you're now stuck under a limit. Anyways, forget basic shapes bullshit, just draw an outline and make sure the angles and proportions are correct then fill in the inside. Easy way to draw anything you want.

>>2844821
That's good advice.
Your bird is fucked up in the sense that it's as flat as paper.

Boxes and life drawing/perspective are the key to everything.

I had to learn that the hard-way

>>2844780

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plis help. ive never drawn a skull b4 im trying to learn how to get really good before february ends. the one in marker is my second try, the one on the right is third and the left is my fourth try.

>>2844829
You're not doing it right. Your teeth is evidence that you aren't. I'm not even going to look at the rest because I can already tell it looks off.

Where's your reference of a skull?

>>2844821
He's just explaining it poorly.
I recommend you read perspective made easy first and foremost. Master everything that it has to teach you. Then, learn how to rotate a box in perspective with vanishing points. Know how to tilt it. Know about your X, Y, and Z axis. (You can learn this Scott Robertson's book "How to Draw")

You can literally make cylinders out of boxes, so keep in mind boxes and how they move take precedence.

Learn what happens when you find the center of a box in relation to proportion, etc.

Everything can be broken apart into boxes when you find the sides.

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>>2844831
i was looking at some tutorials. im very bad at trying to draw realistically i have never done it before. i have always been drawing cartoon/anime type style. heres something i drew a week ago. this is the very first time i tried to draw a skull what should i do???

>>2844821
I highly recommend reading Scott Robertson's book after perspective made easy. There's really no reason to move past perspective until you're a complete master.

If you take the human figure and break it into boxes, you'll notice it puts your basic knowledge to the test.

Here's a good website for 3D references down the road:

https://sketchfab.com/search?q=ref

Break everything down into a box and learn how things get rotated. You'll learn a lot faster through 3D models than photographs ever will.

It's the only substitute for life drawing that I can find that's acceptable aside from a real life doll.

>>2844834
What you do is tell why you want to be able to draw a skull.

>>2844840
i have a friend that's in the trying in the music industry. i want to be able to do cover art for him one day. he told me he wanted a skull so im practicing this. and also that lately ive been wanting to get into more realistic art to get better... so i could possibly sell in the future when i do get really good. pls help

>>2844821
Also, be sure you know that parallel lines from an orthographic view always converge in perspective. This is the foundation for a lot of intuitive perspective.

(You're drawing a nose and you're angling lines, etc, but you have to keep in mind the lines are still parallel if you were right on top/to the side of what you're drawing)

>>2844834
Just reference things from life

>>2844841
Okay, easy.

First thing you need to go is go to google and get a bunch of skull images.

From every angle, front, back, side.

Now draw them as close as you can to what you see.

Come back when you're done.

>>2844801
>>2844821
It's also important to keep in mind that mindless grinding is exactly what it sounds like: mind-less.

Always have an objective in your head while you study ANYTHING, or you won't get anywhere.

This is why you get people on Deviant art stating that they draw for 10 hours a day, but they haven't improved in years.

>>2844844
>>2844841
Don't do that shit. Pictures aren't worth a damn. You'll never understand how to really draw from a photograph. It's impossible.

Go here and break the skull down into a box:

https://sketchfab.com/models/1a9db900738d44298b0bc59f68123393

>>2844843
i try but they all come out looking cartoon-ish and bland everytime i try. i think theres something im doing wrong/need to learn first.
>>2844844
okay ill do that

>>2844837
Holy shit that website is amazing.
Thanks, anon.

>>2844846
>this box nigga
If you wanna take over my shift, then go for it, but these beginners are still going to be here for a month doing your box shit, so you better be here for a month.

>>2844849
I'm just helping because I'm popping by.
Please continue to help them.

Boxes are still integral to everything.

>>2844846
thank you for the website.
ill try both methods and see which one works best for me

>>2844855
be sure to really understand how boxes move in perspective.

You can probably figure out how the vanishing points rotate by moving that skull around. I still recommend learning perspective before you even bother with skulls.

>>2844847
Then you need to read Keys to Drawing and get out of the idea that cartooning is the only way to go. If you don't know how things work in reality you can't bend them to your will when you try to cartoonify them. Else keep drawing your shitty skulls being dumbfounded why they never come out """""""""right""""""""""".

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>>2844433
>>2844479
happy birthday anons
draw this

>>2844881
i dont want to try drawing cartoons anymore.... idk why you have to be so rude about it lol.. im willing to learn pls be nice

>>2844890
back to tumblr with you

(just kidding, but don't expect niceness on /ic/)

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>>2844372

yolo

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>>2844892
>>2844856
>>2844849

>>2844917
>that improvement
Oh shit, we've got a badass over here.
But this badass doesn't know how to resize and turn the image.

>>2844919
sorry im on my phone lol, i didnt know it would come out like that cus it looked fine in my album. what do u think?

>>2844920
I don't know. Usually people don't improve this quickly. I haven't gotten to this step. I guess, that's it mane. You're done. What now?

>>2844921
well i guess i should work on it more, with different perspectives and angles and everything. ill have to keep practicing though because im not sure if my drawing just turned out better because of luck :/

>>2844925
That's a good idea. do that.

>>2844927
thank you :D

>>2844896
Pay attention to proportions, that foot is fucking huge, and the other one is half a foot. Don't be afraid to push values either, it's very "fuzzy" and the same tone.

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>>2844886
This one is quite difficult.

>>2844967
I guess even good people have it hard still.

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First time trying this. Think it took around 30 sec / 1 min each

the struggle is real, can't keep proportions for shit

>>2844980
Try doing some 5 minute ones.

>>2844981
yeah ? i thought it was supposed to be harder to 5 minutes one, must have misread something, thanks mate

>>2844967
made me think a bit of frank cho, nice one anon

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>>2844927
>>2844856
>>2844849

>>2844711
If i'm drawing on screen does that also train hand eye coordination or nah? I have access to a monitor tablet for practice.

>>2845051
Obviously it does, anon. That's like asking if you need to see your legs to walk.

>>2845055
>born without legs
>been using arms whole life to get around.

thanks anon...

syke gottem.

But alright thanks just thought that maybe the papery texture vs glossy screen would make a diff in training my hand eye coordination ya know?

>>2845060
stop overthinking things

>>2845061
aight thanks. just when it's bedtime I usually think a ton...

You kno how there's that meme that artist's always hate their finished work? Does anyone have the opposite problem where you like all your art and can't see the mistakes until a week later when you're flipping through your sketchbook?

>>2845103
You see, the reason artists hate their own work is precisely because it's difficult to see all the mistakes in your own drawings.

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Guys help this was just supposed to be a 5 minute warm up sketch but this band is killing me

>>2845104

It's not that I dislike them but don't know why though, it's more like when you're dating someone that to any independent observer would be a 4, but to you they're a 7, you've spent so much time with them that their faults have taken on a charm of their own. Then you break up and a couple of months later by chance you see a picture of her and suddenly see her as the minger she is

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finished this finally. the reflection doesnt actually match the ref but oh well

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>>2844377
gave my all on this one, so please guys, critique me !

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>>2845147
also, how do you find my progress ? this was my first post

only trying to make values and loomis construction right for now though

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>>2844443
>>2841403

>tfw couldn't figure out why all the women I drew ended up looking like mongoloids

>tfw it was because I was using male proportions, not realising there was a difference

jdimsa

>>2845139
ERIC! STOP UNDERLINING THE EYES IN BLACK WHEN THERE ISN'T A STRONG SHADOW

The environment is good

>>2845170
>UNDERLINING THE EYES IN BLACK
what does underline mean? like the bottom eye lid?

>The environment is good
thanks

>>2845170

The eyeliner on the bottom lid? That's makeup isn't it

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who /chews their pencils/ here?

Are there any pencils that are designed for chewing? I don't like all the gross stuff in my mouth but I like chewing them

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>>2845172
Bottom eyelid yeah; at the very least seperate the tones so that the bottom eyelid is brighter than the top eyelid, because the top eyelid, unlike the bottom eyelid, is supported by a shadow in your picture

I need help. Haven't drawn anything in 4 days.
It started when I came home late cause I went for a drink with friends. Now I just don't feel like drawing anymore. Is this what it's like to burn out?

I know I should just 'shut up and draw' but I'm wondering if there any technique or some inspirational quote to fight being burned out.

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I'm practicing gesture from memory and I wanted an opinion on what I can do to these legs to help the flow of the pose.

>>2844705
fuck out of here, you are no longer a beginner !

>>2845202

I wank after drawing sessions as a sort of pavalovian mental conditioning, maybe go nofap until you start drawing again, you'll be desperate soon enough.

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>>2845209
I tried to fix it.
Is this better?

>>2845213
I'll try it

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>>2845167

>>2845209
>>2845219

resize to 1000 dimensions then flip it, looks nice tho'

>>2845235
Look at their left thigh, you shouldn't have used a sketch pen around until you got a critique. Maybe start it over and really pay attention, look at negative space to get the proper proportions.

>>2845235

Left leg is fucked, it's like you drew the feet first and then tried connecting it to the body.

>>2845238
Thank you
Sorry I'm on my phone so I just took the picture. My laptop is currently recovering.

>>2845262
What's wrong with drawing the feet first?

Where should you start on a figure?

>>2845190
that makes a lot of sense, thanks

>>2845267
Not the same guy. But I typically start with the head or the main line of action. >>2845219
That's me
I started with the shoulders extending to the outstretched left are and then the center line trough to the left leg.

There is a nice curve from the top of her head to her feet, that's where I would've started.

Also I'm not an expert, so take my suggestions with a grain of salt.

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>>2845262
>>2845251
I tried again; is there a rhythm to my failure?

>>2845304

This looks good now desu. The right calf looks a bit big, but that's all I can really see is an issue. Maybe fix up the left foot it looks like a block.

>>2845315
I'm sorry I didn't say this earlier, but I appreciate your feedback very much. Thank you

>>2844967
wow
nice!

>>2845267
feet are shaped weird and dont make for good units of measurement, think foreshortened feet and feet from the side vs a head from front/side/top views. the head is more consistent.

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I zoomed in a bit because the original was pretty small.

I was sketching and practicing and wondered what i would come up with if i painted in gray scale. Made my flaws more apparent i think.

Proportions seem to be the big thing i struggle with.
How do i go about correcting that? I seem to be making no progress figuring it out on my own after all these years.

>>2844967
you're def not a beginner goddamn

>>2845359
Your shading fucking sucks, you need to get a better understanding of form, that hair is fucking disgusting too.
Study Loomis for proper understanding of the proportions of the head.

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some simple perspective practice

>>2845359
I think reducing the intensity of the light hitting the parts will make your thing less metal-ly.

I'm not sure but the skin looks like metal right now.

Also the lips are bloated (unless if that's the characteristic of your character). It should look more wavy.


I do like your sketch and shows you have drawing skills
keep it up

>>2845368
>Everything sucks
Fucking shit wasted my life. Time to die.

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>>2844886
>>2845304
Head

>>2845368
>read loomis
Will this shit meme ever die?

>>2845379
Pretty good.

Now shade it.

>>2844967
Other than the angle of her thighs, well done!

>>2845381
Give us a better alternative.

>>2844477
Hampton brug

>>2845385
How do I get as good as you

>>2845386
Anime head tutorial

>>2845395
Sarcasm?

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How do I study? I have an art style that I like (pic related)but I don't really know how to study the images. Hell I can't even find the artist. How do I draw like this? I'm willing to put in the time and effort but I need to know how to begin.

>>2845400
First you break down what you like about the art style

That means write it down

Look at those parts

Really look at those parts

Figure out why they look good

Now try to imitate those aspects

>>2845403
>Figure out why they look good
Is also much easier if you have a strong understanding of fundamentals

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i've never tried to do colored portraits of this scale, so i'm warming up to them. i thought it was going well at first but i just moved the ref closer to the art and it's so bad haha

>>2845377
When I had the lighting much less intense everything looked flat as hell. I'll keep that in mind if I ever feel like doing it again.

I'm getting to the point of camel, straw, back, snap. It's been over a decade since I started.

Don't have what it takes.

Thanks.

>>2845406
But how do I KNOW if I have a good understanding of fundamentals? I'm sorry if this makes me retarded but I really need this spelt out for me. I think my fundamentals are OKAY, in THEORY.

So am I meant to like, redraw parts that I like? should I draw over some parts and recreate them?

>>2845423
Have you read the sticky?
What you're supposed to do is copy the construction and understand what the artist did to achieve that style (accentuate certain parts of the body, lighting tricks and stuff like that)
If you don't know how to construct then you should start with keys to drawing and then move on to loomis to have the minimum basic understanding.
Basically what you want to achieve if you're an absolute begginer is this:
1- Learn to draw from life.
2- Study life until you have a decent understanding of anatomy and shape.
3- Learn to draw from imagination.
4- Develop your style from exrimenting and/or studying what other people do.

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>>2845475
See, I don't think my knowledge of anatomy is awful. I'm pretty okay on that. I can draw *okay*, at least better than stickmen. I tried drawing the basic shape of the eyes in this picture and replicating it so I'd have a good idea of what to do to recreate it but I ended up making the face too long. The cheek really killed me to get right. Do you have any critique of this? How can I have done this better?

>tfw you draw kids as small adults

Where can I find some decent child references that won't put me on the fbi watch list?

>>2845505
you do a google search of 'kid stock photos'

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line guy again. Here's what i've been working on today

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>>2845532
ref

>Get your drawing stuff out ready to practice
>This was 4 hours ago

Not gonna make it.

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Tried a more realistic head today.

>>2845532
Her waist is much more thin I think.

>>2845538
And a little longer vertically?

>>2845536
Still looks heavily anime to me senpai, the hair and eyes are the culprits.

>>2844780
Before people start copying this to their folders for the next cringe progress thread, notice that the second drawing is much more ambitious than the first, and shows a lot of progress in rendering skills and attempts at perspective. Also the pose is much more dynamic

To the actual artist, practice your basics more, work on proportions mainly.

>>2845541
I think the width is about the same but you are right on the verticality. I fucked up on that. But besides that how is the line quality?

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>tfw you came up with a genius plan to download WWE episodes each week for free screenshots of active and explosive movement with people wearing little clothing.
>tfw it backfired on you because now you watch WWE

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>>2845532
her waist line is too low also, work on how fabric warps around the body.

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So obviously I'm very early on in the learning process

What I am wondering is is it better to spend a lot of time on one picture and try to make it as good as you can, or draw a lot of shit pictures where you're theoretically improving incrementally with each drawing just by sheer volume?

>>2845576
but how are my lines? I can fix the waist issue (though it looks a bit more like a butt issue) but I'm trying to work on my lines for drawings.

>>2845212
Yes he is.

>>2845586
They look forced and over thought.

it you want to work on your line weight, you should work traditionally.

>>2845581
What you should do is do your best to take a drawing very far, like at least a few hours. But when you stop, depends on a lot of stuff like what you want and if you want to spend more time refining. Doing pieces that are like 10+ hours really build discipline into you because it requires you to not give up and recover from your mistakes instead of starting over.

>>2845589
I do fine traditionally but working digitally is a different thing. It's different controlling a digital pen to a regular pen and pencil.

I just bought a sketchbook, an eraser pack, a set of assorted pencils, and sharpener.

Should I care much about technique at the very beginning (e.g. methods, pencil type, etc), or just get drawing and worry about technique later?

you gotta do both man. what's the point of learning a technique if you're not learning to apply it at the same time.

>>2844611
Do you have an eraser

>>2845598
What do you think?

>>2845616
I don't know.
>read Loomis

When I say technique, I mean more about how to use the pencil. When I used to draw as a teenager it was always sharp lines for everything (just drawing with the point), and for shading I would draw with the point lightly and smudge it.

Should I draw with the point of the pencil and just pay attention to form while doing so? Or is there a specific way I need to be using the pencil I need to learn before actually drawing at all?

>>2845624
Just draw, stop overthinking, Jesus Christ. At this rate, you'll never make it.

>>2845379
Amazing job anon

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>>2845630
That's why I asked fuckface

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>>2845630
this is quite literally the containment thread for people who overthink

half of these people have never held a pencil in their life with the intention to draw seriously so it's only natural to make sure they're "doing everything right" when in reality they need to just sit down and do the hard work instead of procrastinating

at this rate you have to just take them as they come

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how can I get good when my hand shakes so much and doesn't do what I want? my circles are dogshit, a child can do better. it's like I'm crippled

>>2845642
You are crippled. Can you imagine never working your drawing muscles for years? Muscle weakens, control is loss, etc. All you can do is continue this therapy until you are back up to where you would be if you actually drew everyday like how you read, write, walk, etc.

>>2845642
Learn to work with it. There's also therapy and medication.

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second try, this time 5-10 min sketches like >>2844981
advises
what do you think ?

>>2845632
Thank you; I'm sorry I didn't render or shade it, or draw any of the figure's landmarks

>>2845414
you can always do art as a hobby.

it doesn't matter how long it takes to get gud, I would even argue that you'll forever refine your skills because they'll drop when you don't draw; but having some kind of enjoyment out of the process matters to me the most.

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>>2845558
I liked the idea of using wrestlers and gave it a go to embarrassing bad results.

I need to draw less anime girls and read more Loomis.

>>2845661
Better than most beginners in here. You can at least draw.

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>>2845590
Isn't that just polishing turds? If you're learning its best to draw a lot then to draw one really polished turd.

https://blog.codinghorror.com/quantity-always-trumps-quality/

>>2844967
I think you exaggerated her butt a little? I mean, don't think there's a problem, because this accentuates the gesture, but still just pointing it out.

Good job.

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What do you think about this? I think it looks kinda flat but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. Time to go back to basics I suppose.

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>draw a portrait that looks vaguely like the model, think it looks ok compared to earlier stuff
>press m to flip it and see it from that angle
>looks weird

Dang it. Oh well at least getting there slowly.

>>2845705
i think it may be the chest and the neck that seem to be flat

>>2845705
it looks flat cause it's all the same value

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>>2845359
>>2845368
>>2845377

So after an afternoon of self pity, anger and frustration i got back up in the saddle again and pushed myself to go at it again.

>>2845731
Mr. Clean doesn't have b cups

>>2845731
Have you read the sticky, m8?

>>2845731
klingons generally have long hair

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>>2845734
Kek

Kinda imagining it more like this though. I didn't plan it out, i just painted out a head shaped blob and worked from there.

>>2845736
I have, what do you mean by that though?

>>2845738
Klingon cancer. but yeah that forehead is all effed up but i think my shading is at least bit better if nothing else.

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need critique and help pls

>>2845378
about time.

>>2845412
she looks fucked.

Their are a ton of bts fan artists. if this is your level don't even try. you going to get BTFO'd

Don't draw your oppars till you get some skill.

>>2845503
what the fuck is this chicken scratch bullshit? you think your fundamentals and anatomy is okay? are you delusional? like seriously look at what you did and what you tried to emulate. this is fucking disgusting. Like holy fuck these lines bro. fuck.

>>2845503
Can someone tell me if this study/piece is okay? Reference is >>2845400

>>2845758
Oh

well that hurt a little

I guess it's back to the drawing board

>>2845536
rofl wtf is that nose bro. realism is more about light and shadow then lines. you do realize that right?

>>2845586
on the contrary i find your lines pretty good. Thank god they aren't chickenshit lines too. While your work isn't a 1:1 recreation it looks good on it's own .

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>>2845740
Your understanding of anything regarding human anatomy and basic shape is seriously lacking. If you've already gone through the books in the sticky than you didn't really pay attention to what was taught there, go back to studying them from the beginning and this time learn to actually be self-critical or you won't ever improve.
At the very least, you shouldn't be drawing from imagination yet since there are extremely obvious flaws that you should be able to notice.

>>2845672
But you should at least polish some of those turds. or you will become like me who just sketches sketches sketches but can't finish shit.

>>2845764
Sorry. But to make up for it i'll give ya some pointers. Your lines are chicken scratchy. Are you drawing with your wrist? this is a nono. Lock your wrist and draw with your shoulder and elbow. At first it'll be uncomfortable and tiresome but get used to it. If you have big peices of paper like newsprint it'd be good to sketch on that so that the big swooping motions of shoulder and elbow drawing are something you get used to. Also not sure what program you using but you can color your sketch in layers. put down the skin layer and then the hair ontop of that so that you dont get those white specks in your art. You can do it other ways too ofc but I think that's simplest for now. GL and HF

>>2844510
Then stop pressing so hard or get a mechanical pencil, I literally only to slightly sharpen my pencil after like an hour of hour of sketching

>>2845780
Okay.

I was using photoshop - colour wasn't too important to me, it was just getting the art style from the ref. I got bored and started colouring it in. I'll work on making my lines more confident and drawing from the elbow. Can I see an example of your work?

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what drawing exercises are fun to grind? my line control is shit but at least I wasn't bored doing 2-point perspective boxes

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>>2845770
I think i may have already been in the process of fixing some of those things before your post. How's the latest version?

I have a decent art book library including some loomis books and other varied things. Being able to sit there and actually read them is the hard part. I don't absorb information very well because i'm fighting against a weak attention span in most everything i do.

>>2845793
Grind through the first two parts of DrawABox or just go through HTD by Scott Robertson.

>>2845797
Still packing those big titties

hnnggg

>>2845767
I never said I was drawing realism, I said more realistic, as in a little less stylized.

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>>2845783
i'm bad bro. and lining is something I avoid.
But since I hurt your feelings instead of memeing and not posting work I'll open myself up to being btfo'd

>>2845814
No...it looks good! Better than me, so don't start with that "I'm super bad but actually better than 90% of people xd" bullshit. I'll take your advice and work on my chickenscratch. Do you have any other advice? I know the face was too long and the eyes weren't slanted enough. Thoughts?

>>2845814
>tfw the person behind those words was that one anon who was really good but got told to go draw boxes

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>>2845793
Me too, I always wanted a warm up set of exercises to do everyday, if you find it please tell me.

>>2845819
Haha thanks. But I mean we all start somewhere right? and I might try and draw the same piece to help ya out. But usually in anime you can draw the eyes and mouth in a triangle too keep the proportions in check.

>>2845821
Haha thanks. But I think formal studying will help me improve much better than whatever the fuck I been doing. I started drawing on and off since highschool but I'm only at this level. Why? because I didn't study and just drew bs I liked or thought drawing constantly would make me better. It's like you do math. You do 1+1=3 and keep doing that but it'll never be correct. I think the same thing is valid in art. Just drawing is right but also knowing that you are doing it correctly helps a ton. You can see much of my cringe shit here.
>http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/bangthatmanlyeggplant/profile/

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>>2845823
Anyone know some daily exercises to improve line quality, shape and proportions? /beg/ things?

>>2845836
Drawing from a reference

>>2845741
yo, can i get a fucking critique

>>2845839
Isn't it wrong to draw a body for example without any knowledge of anatomy? I'm starting the study of anatomy and for now the only thing I really know is gesture.

>>2845848
No, who told you that? Just draw the body if you want to draw the body.

>>2845847
Only the people with a chance of making it get critiques from what I've gathered from my time here.

>>2845836
peter han has his dynamic sketching shit its in the sticky

>>2845400
That's quite the puffy vulva

>>2845741
it just exists. I dono what you trying to go for here? is this a study? is it from your own imagination. If it from imagination it's cute. if a study where is the ref. The thing that is jarring tho is the mouth. with everything else you did it really soft no real solid lines but the mouth is just a ^ line..

>>2845850
No it just depends. Sometimes people aren't in the mood to repeat the same thing. And some just can't help those who are absolute novices. Like I usually don't help and rather try to get help but today is a good day I guess.

Also when general good advice is a meme you just get bashed.

>>2845851
Thanks!

>>2845741
Need in make the nose larger and redder.

is the mirror image exercise the best way to learn how to draw lines?
Like you put an image reference upside down and you try to draw it with the right brain?

>>2845860
No. The best way to learn how to draw is to draw.

>>2845741
Not an expert, but here's my opinion. Eyes seem flat and lifeless due to the lack of detail. Hair would probably look better with sharper edges, and I'm also just not really sure what it's supposed to be. A dwarf? A angry child?

>>2845848
do what you find fun anon

>>2845860
Right brain is a meme. What do you mean by 'learn how to draw lines'?

>>2845871
>tfw down so deep the rabbit hole and forgot what fun is

>>2845874
>anon is too much of a retard to even know what drawing by lines and upside mean
You might as well just stop giving advice at all.

>>2845877
>dubs is too much of an idiot to understand that 'learning how to draw lines' means multiple things

>>2845871
I just want to [spoiler]git gud...[/spoiler]

>>2845864
That's dumb, I've tried it that way with never improving at all.

>>2845890
the secret is to take longggggg breaks like months @ a time of not drawing. To absorb all the drawing skills you were training. kek jk but that's what happened to me went from shitty to less shitty after each time I stopped drawing. I wouldnt recommend it tho. Try and find a regimen to stick with. That's what I am trying to find atm. to git gud.

>>2845890
Then you aren't going to make it or you're here for the wrong reason. If you just want cool looking stuff, look into /biz/ and get a good amount of money. You should be able to get a ton of commisions at that point.

>>2845896
>>2845895
my art sucks and needs to get better or I'll never ever make it.
http://goseb90.tumblr.com/

>>2845905
you're muhstyling too early

there is a way to fix that

>>2845910
How? Kill myself?

>>2845887
At what

>>2845911
drop the animeshit and start to learn how things work in reality

>>2845914
but anime/manga is what got me into drawing, otherwise I would have certainly no interest into drawing at all since I was 11.

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Am I doing these guys right? For a fact I know that I messed up on the lower left box, the one labeled 4 but I don't know how I fucked it up since I managed to align them both to each VP.

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>>2845926
Man, I'm taking an anatomy course from a Disney animator with 20+ years under his belt, this guy draws cartoons for a living every day and must have drawn 2847238974092378 cartoon characters in his life.

But what he said is: "You need to learn anatomy to draw these characters well".

So just buckle up, learn the fundamentals, learn how to draw well in a classic manner and along the way go applying what you learn to what you like, at least this is the approach I'm taking.

Don't get too hasty about it, the road is fucking long and you need time to get anywhere, just don't lose hope and keep practicing.

There are loads of materials for free, even more if you pirate, and nowadays with schoolism and things like that its very affordable to get good materials to really learn the craft.

You can do it anon, we can all make it.

>>2845933
have you ever considered using a ruler?

>>2845961
I did plenty with a ruler but I wanted to try them freehand since I can't always be using a ruler.

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keeping up with human figure, might try some chubbies

>>2845966
dude, you can always use a ruler.
materials exist to be used.

>>2845933
try ghosting your lines to the vp?

>>2845985
>>2845985
>>2845985

>>2845985
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>>2845985
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>>2845985
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>>2846000
just give up dude

>>2845852
I know that's the joke but
>vulva

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Why do my shitty drawings always end up deformed, any ideas on what I should work on to improve this?