How important were Freemasons in the history of the west?

>>567850
What the fuck is with those names
Also do they really dress up like that?

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>>568142
2hermetic4u

They were not important. Freemason is the name of a catholic person with cultural customs tied to it but has always been free to think without the fear of persecution or the need to be persecuted because they abide by the dogmatic truth without imprisoning their faith.

>>568632
How to you unite these personalities? By the grand gesture their military pilitical etiquette and just make up a group abiding with them within their numbers. And call it freemasonry so as not to instigate religious hate or persecution from any side. Its called taking the blank stone from someone.

It came at a time of a scientific revolution. To help people understand each other. Each man gets to cast their own stone. Some people came to power in society who did not believe in anything and started ridiculing the natural. They caused a cultural uproar via laws they propagated. Put it this way go tell a Christian the most holy act in the Christian world is penance. They wont believe because it is clinical depression. Everyone is supposed to be happy. Cultures, customs and humanities are being forgot.

>>567850
Not important, they were/are just faggots with no real power.

>>568701
Some people got so pissed and through every intelligence community in the world passed on their companies to the people causing the problems. And brought a tabula rasa event of disinformation played by conspiracies themselves. They are just slowly but surely waiting for it to happen. Because some believed they had every intellect to rule and they had never ruled. Thinking they could do better than their presecessors.

>>568712
And bring the sickest sobs to power.

>>567850
Somewhat important. Royal Society and whatnot, providing moral and scientific lessons to men. Biggest thing I would say would be that Freemasonry gave Washington the delusion that democracy could work, and so he turned down the kingship of America and doomed the joint.

>>568142
The names are relevant to the story in each degree.
And largely no for the dress. Some places do have authentic costumes, but they're regrettably rare.
Usual attire is tuxedo or morning suit with regalia. Officers in Royal Arch and the like wear robes, and Knights Templar wear tabards, mantles, and swords (Civil War uniforms in the USA).

>>567850
not nearly as important as they claim to be

>>570667
It's usually the non-members who make that claim, though.

>>568703
In of itself, maybe not. But the members together...

Very.

The Freemasons, Jesuits and Illuminati control most nations. They worship Satan.

Then there are the wealthy Rothschilds and Rockefeller families.

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>>573279

>>573294
Cognitive dissonance.

I'm the one laughing at you.

Reminder that many, if not most, anti-Masons were Masons.

>>573820
Or at least claim to have been.

>>567850
Very. They upheld Enlightenment ideals and were affluent within some republics such as my own, where even today many politicians are open masons.

The Portuguese regicide, however, wasn't a mason plot as you may have heard. The Portuguese Carbonária did it.

This is in our history books.

I prefer my dad (who has friends who are Freemasons who always try to get him to join) theory:

>a bunch of middle class and wealthy English guys decided to get away from their wives so they could drink beer and wear funny costumes and sing rude songs and decided to help each others business while at it but with ridiculous initiation rites

Are Illuminati and Freemasons the same?

>>578051
Maybe.

Didn't see this thread, but here's an explanation of why Catholics and Orthodox don't like them: >>578071

>>578051
No.

The real Illuminati was dissolved. Today, "Illuminati" is an ascended meme.

Freemasons were older and are active to this day. They are semi-secret.

They both had close ties to Enlightenment ideals.

>>578051
"Illuminati" is a term for a shit load of groups.

Masonry falls under the category, but it would be baseless assumption to blame masonry for the "illuminati".

But there is an actually order called by the name Illuminati

>>573279
They do control everything, but theyre not satan worshippers, thats a hoax

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They had finally gotten their way when the new Illuminated liberal capitalist world order was proclaimed at the end of the cold war, whether they were actually there or not.

>>577838
>decided to get away from their wives so they could drink beer and wear funny costumes and sing rude songs and decided to help each others business
That's Amerimasonry.