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What went wrong?
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>>562428
Isn't the second building a police station, and therefore built on a barracks model?
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Brutalism is beautiful. I don't know what's wrong with you.

This thread is for celebrating Brutalism now.
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>>562437
Get your head checked, you culltural pollutant.
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Brutalist architecture during the 50's-80's. Gives buildings an efficient, functional look. It's mainly concrete and was used by many government buildings.

They're pretty cheap to make but cost a lot to maintain, hence why you see many of them in the former Soviet Union (which adopted this design for the later part of the century.)

Pretty cool stuff, here's a nice picture of an apartment complex.
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>>562443
How in any world does that look more efficient than a traditionally styled hotel. It looks like they couldn't decide where to put any of the rooms and actually managing it has to be hell.
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>>562428
University of Oklahoma on top?
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>>562448
Yup.
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>>562428
Brutalism is beautiful.
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>>562443
disgusting

in the past the elite would build beautiful buildings that say "look how powerful we are and how much good we're doing", now it is some kind of orwellian doublethink bullshit "look at this crap, isn't it wonderful. what? you don't share the same subjective tastes as us? that is because you are not an intellectual, tee hee"
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>>562454
No, it isn't. This is actual beauty.
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>>562454
About as beautiful as if I spray-painted a canvas all gray and hung it up by the Mona Lisa.
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>>562447
It, more or less, gives an efficient vibe while trying to look beautiful. Kind of like how many university buildings went for the brutalist look with windows in some of the weirdest places yet still looked aesthetically pleasing.
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>>562457
The only reason it gives off a dystopian vibe is because of how 1984 and other dystopian movies depicted Soviet buildings (which happened to be Brutalistic) and communism to be dystopian.

It doesn't look all too bad, many of the designs were shit though. And no one really cares for them anymore since the fad died out in the 70's-80's when the Soviets popularized them.
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>>562467
>gives an efficient vibe
It doesn't

>trying to look beautiful
It seems like they literally did everything they could to make their building the opposite of beautiful and completely unpleasant to see. Like a Picasso of architecture.
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>>562469
Not that anon, but I dunno, brutalist buildings do just have an imposing vibe about them.
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>>562469
And the reason why the Soviets used it happens to coincide with the reason why it's considered dystopian

>oversimplification
>cheap tricks for mild interest
>monochrome
>clear exterior structural supports

All these things reduce the cost of building, and that's the point. They're cheap, and you don't have to expend a lot of labor or time on them. Something usually associated with a country ruled by a powerful but frugal government.
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>>562428
>cheesy wannabe medieval architecture
>beautiful brutalism
everything went right
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>>562432

Nope. It's the United States Department of Health and Human Services headquarters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Health_and_Human_Services
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>>562477
You make a good point, the buildings were hella cheap and a bit expensive to maintain too, which is why most relics look like they're a hundred years old or something.
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>>562474
I live 100 m from that building. It ain't bad, if you've ever been to QUT you'll see how shitty brutalist architecture can be
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>>562487
>beautiful

apart from 'taste is subjective', how do you think it is beautiful? what definition of beauty are you using?
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Can we turn this into a thread about architectural disasters please
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>>562490
DC has far to many ugly brutalist federal buildings. Imagine this building, but dirtier and some ratty ass chain fence in that gap between the top and the building proper
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Can we talk about how Art Deco is the best architecture?
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>>562552
I like deco

Brutalism a shit
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>>562552
what the fuck is that
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>>562552
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They fugged up, Ill post another image how it looked before communism.
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>>562552
meu negro
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>>562552
I like the architecture of the battersea and southwark power stations in London.

I thought it was brutalism, because it seems quite brutal to me, but wikipedia tells me it's art deco...
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art deco, japanese architecture, and retro futurism are the best styles
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>>562428
>brutalism
>wrong
fucking die.
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>>562762
What's so great about brutalism? The tiny windows? The depressing raw and decaying concrete? The way it drags down everything around it and makes people want to kill themselves when they look at it?
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>>562762
As a person who grew up in an ex-commie country, you'll never realize how shit brutalism is unless you are surrounded by those things every single day.
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I always thought a 100% brutalist city would be pretty cool.

The main problem I see with brutalism is that it contrasts horribly with other buildings. But if everything was brutalist then it would ramp up the dystopia factor to 11 and be as imposing as possible.
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>>562774
It's much better than the so much more common buildings of painted concrete with large windows and balconies.
Whether they're painted in pale beiges and pinks, or like a rubik's cube, raw concrete decays and gets dirty in a much more pleasing way.
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>>562806
>it would ramp up the dystopia factor to 11
That might look cool in your vidya but trying living in it. Instant suicide fuel.
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>>562646
if it looks like someone dropped a concrete cube in the middle of the gaff then it's brutalist. How anyone can like that ''''style'''' is beyond me
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>>562474
Get out, brutalist peasants, that is imposing
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>>562428
I have the best possible 1 hour documentary on the subjec, OP:

https://vimeo.com/112655231
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>>562774
It just looks powerful. it's beautiful.
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>>562916
>looking like it's about to collapse
>powerful
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>>562929
Don't try to argue with leftists.
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>>562929
>looking like it's about to collapse
>a solid chunk of concrete
??? It looks like if a tank fucked a building and they had a child
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Brootalism is literally shit.

>ugly as hell
>depressing
>no craftsmanship or complex designs
>literally edgy
>concrete decays faster than most building materials
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>>562953
Concrete is a shit material because of the decay. These commieblocks have to be constantly repaired because they're literally falling apart and were originally designed to be just a temporary solution.
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>>562966
Maybe so. but I'm not talking about a utilitarian aspect, and I can probably agree that it isn't necessarily a good idea (the architects that wanted to build it everywhere in london were idiots), but purely aesthetically it really pleases me, and it looks completely solid.
I don't see how it's any more depressing than brickwork either.
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>>562517
I've always found the court at Roma to be quite imposing.
But yeah, QUT is kind of....... Bleh.
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>>562983
Esthetically it's shit. If we're talking about commieblocks, they're literally a cheap solution created from prefabricates, it's ultimately about time and money and even their creators realized how fucking ugly they are.
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>>562454
is that mr. krabs
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>>562806
The nordweststadt in Frankfurt looked like that back when my parents where students.
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>>562966
Concrete used to be a good material.
Just look at the pantheon's dome.
It's portland's concrete that gives this material a bad name.
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>>563003
Looks Chinese as fuck.

>>563015
I agree.
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>>562808
>raw concrete decays and gets dirty in a much more pleasing way.

You're mentally ill. Brualist-fags confirmed for the scat fetishists of architecture.
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>>563017
I'm right you're wrong.
Shades of grey > faded colors with dark stains.
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>>562562
Since when the Big Ben is a Mosque?
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OXON
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>>562939
Leftist here, looks shit.
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What is the most eficient kind of architecture?
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>>563568
I guess you don't read British news.
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>>562428
The origins of brutalism are perfectly simple, and comes from the fallacy that modern = good, because if modern = good,

>old = bad
>old = beautiful
therefore
>beautiful = bad

It really is that simple, and architecture is far from the only area of culture to suffer from this.
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>>562428
I for one dislike the whole "look at muh 20th century castle" thing.
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>>562552
>>562562
GAUDY
A
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>>563670
>that picture

I'm stunned at how retarded virtue signalling takes precedence over architecture.
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>live in a district of town that's still mostly Victorian architecture

Feels so good man
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>>563670
Meh, it's decent

I don't know much about architecture though
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>>563670
That picture is bullshit. I'm German and I googled my ass off. Guess what, I can't find a single reference to leftists pushing for the modern facade, it seems like it was the idea of a architect all along. Fuck off back to /pol/.
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Some people will be triggered, but more important than the style of a specific house is a diversity. I like modernism as much as gothic shit because you can see that this house was part of history. If I see a house that was built before the founding of the US I want to be able to see that. I don't want fake gothic shit merely pretending to be imposing. If I walk trough a city it's more important that I can feel the history by just being there.
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>>562428

I loved the reading room in Bizzell, except during finals week.
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>>564558
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>>564570
>>564558
Man, I really wish I could attend OU. Do you guys have an foreign exchange program or something? Meanwhile, pic related is how my University looks.
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Have some roman ornaments
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>>562461
mah nigga
Brutalism is as beautiful as painting with only a grey background
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Monumentalism is also really nice
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>>564695
Get out, /pol/. Nazis wouldn't know beauty if it hit them in the face.
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>>562443
beautiful desu
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>>564714
That looks pretty decent, and if I imagine it with some nice colorful and symmetric banners, fire bowls, statues, and whatever Goebbels would come up with for a propaganda event there, it would make a pretty good-looking building altogether. Also that fucking streetlamp and iron wall are not the fault of the architect
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Yes.
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what kind of architecture is this?
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>>564760
back to posting aesthetically pleasing architecture
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>>564773
Either modern or postmodern. I consider gold windows to be ornaments, so I'll say it's postmodern.

>>564777
Baroque is overkill desu. Exhausting to look at.
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>>562437
t. Mussolini

I'm fascist but I have to admit it, brutalism is not that good looking
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>>562428
All that architecture looks primitive, while modern architecture actually looks advanced.
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>>564783
>Baroque is overkill desu. Exhausting to look at.
I agree with you at times, but the sole craftsmanship of baroque buildings is always an incredible beauty in its own sense for me

Pic related is obviously not baroque btw, (neo-)classicism a best
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>>564805
If that's primitive I don't want to be "advanced"
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>>564807
>(neo-)classicism a best
Ah yes. The most unimaginative school ever.
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>>564809
If that is the case then go into the wilderness.
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>mfw people treat doric columns as outdated

I really hate when people think "change" is good. When your body tries to change it's called cancer and you die. When you change architecture it looks like shit and your town should be razed.
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>>562552

It just screams "Decadence"
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If you're easily distracted or unnerved by it, try to ignore the nazi ornaments, just thought this was a great example of a perfectly ornamented facade for a home

>>564818
When will the "originality first" meme finally die out?
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>>564807
>>564818
>>564833

The Reichstag and other 19th century architecture are called (neo-)Historicist . Looking at styles from the past and blending the best stuff together. The doorway and windows are clearly classicist but other ornaments aren't. This elevates the building from "muh greek pillars and triangles" into something original yet tasteful.
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>>564833
>18th and 19th Century
>Muh Nationalism
>Guys! Let's build a public building that will enshrine *insert European nation* ideals.
>What architecture?
>CLASSICAL
>Rook arike buildings, rook arike buildings everywhere.
>Let us also export this to our colonies and wipe out their native public building cultures.
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>>564838
What do you count as the defining Historicist attributes of the Reichstag?
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>when someone enjoys vulgar bourgeois architecture near me
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>>563670
Even if this was true, I don't see the problem with it.

Then again I am a dirty pinko fuck IRL.
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>>564853
>nationalism
All the peoples of Europe can hardly be considered one nation and yet they shared similar architecture for centuries until asscunts like you ruined art forever in the 1920's.

>>564856
Commie, get out. Enjoy your towerblocks.

>>564854
The fact that it looks classical with other stuff added onto it.
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Best architecture is communist architecture : it has still to be invented.
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>>564867
>Even if this was true, I don't see the problem with it.
There's no point in arguing about it since it's bullshit, but it's pretty disgusting that you don't see a problem with people refusing to preserve history simply because it hurts their feelings.
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>>564853
Its mostly just British, American and French Architecture that went Neoclassical. The Anglos because 1) Brits got sick of Tudor-Era shit. and 2) Ameriniggers aping Greco-Romans because muh freedom, muh republic.

France following the revolution and rome. Again aping Greco-Romans.

Italian architecture's classicalfaggotry gets a free pass.

The rest seem to do gothic shit and other continental Europenis architecture
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>>564853
Classicism and Neoclassicism were just aesthetic trends in the 18th and 19th century, respectively. Buildings were built in that style because architects thought they were the most beautiful.

>>564872
>other stuff
Yeah that's what I mean. What are the non-classicist elements?
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Who /gothic/ here?
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>>564891
>Yeah that's what I mean. What are the non-classicist elements?

I don't know what these things are called, so I just highlighted all the things that don't look classical. Then again, I could be wrong. I'm not an architecture student, just some looser on a cambodian traditional art forum.
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>>564879
I mean preserving history's nice and all, but it's not an act devoid of politics and problems itself. Heritage is a pretty suspicious institution in most circumstances. Besides, destruction is just as much a part of history as creation.
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>>564891
>that picture
REEEEEEEEE FUCKING ANGLOS!!!!!
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>>564914
>Besides, destruction is just as much a part of history as creation.
What a ridiculous argument. You construct museums to preserve history. I don't think anyone who isn't an ISIS tier "demolish the stuff I don't like" type would think that destroying things and then trying to forget about them is ever a logical course of action for a society to take.
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>>564913
I can see where you're coming from with the windows, don't really know how to categorize them except for Gothic ones, they're the most obvious. The statues I viewed as pretty classicist, at least in the way they themselves are modelled, but I guess they way they're featured in the architectural sense is more Historicist (or non-classicist) than Classicist.

>>564930
;_;
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>dat symmetry
Lovely
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>>564805
>>564826
>progressivism
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>>564936
>I don't think anyone who isn't an ISIS tier "demolish the stuff I don't like" type would think that destroying things and then trying to forget about them is ever a logical course of action for a society to take.
When did I say anything about forgetting? Destroying and forgetting aren't the same thing. I'm just saying that monuments to hierarchy shouldn't be celebrated unquestioningly, and taking it down and building something new is a way of doing that. It's a million miles from what ISIS does.

Besides, history gets forgotten all the time.
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A lot of people think this is an architectural abortion, but I'm rather fond of it. From the outside. Inside is pretty shit, which is a fucking shame.
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Don't really know how to call this style, but it's an extremely pleasant-looking bourgeois house
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>>564950
>>564940
Fuck off with your nazi shit, for christ's sake. Almost as shit as brutalism. Also >>>/pol/. Countering with some actual beauty.
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>>564853
Everyone uses it because it's the best there is, asshole
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>>562552
>>562562
This megalomaniac shit has nothing to do with Art Deco. It screams "too much oil money" and "tiny penis".
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>>564978
Zieg Hoyle
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>>564972
looks like a cancerous tumor on the original building
i like it
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>>564950
>>564940
I wonder, how would the world think about the 3rd rich today if it didn't execute jews and disabled people and didn't start WW2.
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>>564972
Oh god what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck
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>>564994
I wanna go to Vienna ;(
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>>564998
The same way people would think of USSR and China.
>Oh that country? Yeah, it has some issues with Freedom of Speech. But its just another country really.
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>>564978
Those pics look nothing like brutalism though. They actually have creativity, color, and respect for the viewer, unlike brutalism.
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>>564997
Yeah, I actually really like how it looks like some kind of natural crystal erupting from the old building.

>>564999
Toronto.
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Much more than architecture has changed in our world. Is brutalism not the perfect expression of modernity's ugly under belly? With its cold expression, sheer unmovable force, and overwhelming grayness, does it not capture the cold anonymity of our latter day systems=society?

People hate it because they already feel brutalist, and they want splendor from the past to cheer them up. They could learn to love it if they find their own voice in it.
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>>565007
Me too, mate ;_;
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>>565040
How about creating an environment that lifts people up rather than dragging them down?

>ohhh, the building looks just as sad an ugly like my own life, how splendid
t. No One Ever
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>>565040
>some art is good BECAUSE it's bad

Jesus fuck get out
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>>565069
The ceiling is tacky as shit, but those are some sexy fucking bookshelves.
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>>564798
>I'm fascist
Sigh
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>>565081
>>565087

We would live in a car commercial if everything was meant to make us happy. That's the ideology of materialism and I'm half sick by it. I don't want to be treated like a giddy, stupid child by architects and artists. The marketing people ram enough of that down my throat all day long. It's a relief to see a structure that acknowledges my weariness and my suspicions about the present world.

I also love other architecture. Washington DC is a nice example of architectural richness created by variety. It's music to walk down its streets and see modernism clashing with brutalism, dancing with art deco, singing with neo-classical and Victorian.

There is a place in our cities for brutalism.
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>>565111
Ceilings that high up can't be tacky. You only look up at it to appreciate the craftsmanship, otherwise you're not seeing it at all, unlike buildings with low ceilings, in which case then yes, they shouldn't be distracting.
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>>565128
>There is a place in our cities for brutalism.
No. There is not. Surroundings play a huge part in how people feel. Do you WANT to feel like shit? Because that's the kind of feeling brutality junk induces; suicide.
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>>565128
>we would live in a car commercial if everything was meant to make us happy

So you're saying we should intentionally make people unhappy in order to remind them of how shit their life is.

Okay.
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The future is in efficiency
>he doesn't want to live in a cold, unfeeling house
>he doesn't enjoy feeling empty and devoid of feeling
Cyborg body when
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>>564972
It's /cyber/ as fuck i love it
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>>565145
>Because that's the kind of feeling brutality junk induces; suicide.
Dope, where do I find a brutalist neighborhood ?
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>>564972
fuck, when this silly glass meme finally dies
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>>565145
Grow up kid
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Find a flaw
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>>565276
It's empty
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>>565276
>empire
>state
>building
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>>565276
no docking Zeppelins
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>>564760
shhh - remember you're supposed to be pretending that this isn't just /leftypol/
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>>564998
But doing those things is what made them Nazi's and not just another forgettable bunch of authoritarians in the first place.
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>>565330
>Complaining about /pol/ infesting this board means it's /leftypol/
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>>564965
>Besides, history gets forgotten all the time.
And this is a tragedy.

>monuments to heirarchy
See, this is the problem with your kind. You are unable to think about constructing something in a way that doesn't involve celebrating whatever it represents. It's a museum.
Holocaust museums and the Hiroshima museum aren't celebrating tragedy. They're there to provide the public with information.
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>>565128
>I tried being happy once and it was awful
Yeah, fuck all those architects who try to make beautiful architecture. Nice stuff is for fags.
Everything should be ugly and painted shades of grey or black. The only way this picture could be any better would be if the plants were all dead and rotting, to remind everyone that death is inevitable.
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>>562461
There's nothing beautiful about this fuckery.

Looks like a gingerbread house with mold.
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>>564783
that was the whole point of baroque.
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>>565427
When did I say anything about holocaust museums? Again you're assuming I said something I didn't. I'm talking about stately homes and stuff like that. Different institutions of heritage handle the remembrance/celebration balance in different ways, and you'd know that if your worldview allowed for nuance.
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>>562437
what if i told you op's picture is of a car park?
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>>564874
underrated post
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>>562437
This
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>>565466
>When did I say anything about holocaust museums?
You didn't. I was making a comparison.

> Different institutions of heritage handle the remembrance/celebration balance in different ways
And? You're not allowed to construct museums dedicated to past eras?

> and you'd know that if your worldview allowed for nuance
What's nuanced about being against constructing a museum because the past makes you butthurt?
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This is how I imagine people who don't like brutalism.
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This is how I imagine people who like brutalism.
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>>564972
This should be illegal.
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It probably has to do with the fermentation of austere practical values over the previous snobbiness that perdured for so long.
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>>562428
The latter is objectively better.
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>>565443

man why is everyone on this board a sperglord. every other post on here is
"fuck you idiot you're full of shit dumbass"

so much sarcasm and bitterness... impossible to have decent conversations when people act like this.
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>>565512
>>565521
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>brutalism
Yeah it looks cool in your architecture sketchbook but people actually have to live and work inside these things
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For one thing most governments are probably grateful for modern architecture with what it would cost in trying to keep every nook and cranny of those motifs maintained there wouldn't be any funds left for unesco heritage sites.
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>>564867
im a leftist IRL and modern anti-aesthetic art is hideous. its association with leftism is a symptom of leftism being corrupted by narcissistic middle class brats who just want to "rebel" superficially. it is alienating and therefor contrary to the interests of the regular, working person in the same way multiculturalism is. indeed you will see anti-aesthetic modern art champion by the same upper class "leftists" who go all in on multiculturalism and despise any western traditionalism.
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>>562443
Looks like it was pulled from a dream.
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>>565111
the ceiling is baroque. most tacky things have a baroque character but baroque isn't tacky. it would be tacky if the the art work were bad, the subject matter were lowly or if it were unfitting with its surroundings.
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>>565282
wut
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building#Notable_tenants
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Architecturally illiterate pleb here.

What style would you consider this building?
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>>565906
A parking garage.
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>>565911
It's a nice looking parking garage, don't cha think?
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>>565906

That appears to be a parking garage. It would probably fall under brutalism. It reminds me of some South American brutalist projects. But I too am architecturally illiterate.
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>>565920
Thanks anon, circular buildings are my fetish
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>>562448
>>564558
>>564570

I really like OU's campus, the arts hall is another cool one.
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Why do we,as humans, tend to always look outward for beauty? I used to care about how things looked, but isn't all that just plain,decaying matter? Why not look forward to deeper goals?
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>>566016

Anybody know what this is called?
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>>566053

You can do both anon
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>>566063
Yes, on second thought, we should strive for both,but the non visual inner beauty is the most lacking element in our modern lives, and it's tearing us apart.
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>>562916
It might look powerful and beautiful for a moment when you look at it and it gives off that romantic vibe you get when you read your favourite postapocalyptic/hopeful distopian/what the hell ever you are into fiction. Those things are really, really depressing when you actually have to live in or near them. I see them often as I am from an ex-socialist state, thankfully I live away from them, but they are horrible. Socialism fucked up Eastern European towns to an incredible extent. I have never heard the term brutalism before this thread, and some of the stuff actually does look good. But actual commie buildings are grey, dull and depressing. One could argue this was on a purpose.
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>>562490
>It's the United States Department of Health and Human Services headquarters
So it is a police station and is therefore built on a barracks model.
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>>566016
>>566061
Cherokee Gothic?

http://cherokeegothic.com/about/
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>>565755
You can always go back to reddit.
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>>565443
Actually if the plants weren't wilting and there was tons of vibrant greens and flowers and life, I'd say that those estates are very nice.
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>>566124

le funny reddit meme you so funny dude le meme guy shitposts
>le nah you go back to reddit kek retort
>*le*
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>>562522

Not him, but is there really a definition of beauty beyond what we personally enjoy?

I've always liked brutalist architectural design, though the concrete itself is something i can take or leave (ironically, since concrete is basically the point of brutalism). If i could take every brutalist building and replace grey meh-concrete with gleaming white stone, i would.

There's something about the enduring look of it, the strong lines and monument-like slightly-too-big design of it that makes me feel good about humanity.

Brutalism doesn't try to fit in with nature. Brutalism doesn't try to fit in with anything! Brutalism tells everything to fuck off! Because if you're doing it properly (most people did not do it properly) it should be built out of materials that will make it outlast everything else anyway.

Simpler/less gaudy Art deco - especially with its focus on symmetry and geometric shapes - inspires this same feeling in me. I think it really is the resemblance to ancient temples they both tend to evoke. While the Brutalism tends to do it in a far more abstract way, i still look at them and think of them as the modern version of those ancient stone cut monuments.

I guess in the end i like a building that looks like it will still be there when the rest of the world has been burnt to cinders. And yes, an illogical part of my brain tells me that futuristic buildings = better, and for some reason blocks of shaped concrete are more futuristic looking in my mind than a far, far, far more complicated glass skyscraper.

Perhaps because in my mind brutalism is the architectural equivalent of the way all our technology has started going recently. Becoming simpler and simpler shapes.

tl;dr - Im really, really weird i guess.
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>>564978
I'm a full blown liberal and SJW and whatever you want and I love Nazi aesthetics. Their buildings were absolutely glorious. Your pic is great too though.
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>>566152
>I'm a full blown liberal and SJW
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>>565177
Anywhere in Eastern Europe, you'd have to try harder not to find one
They are fucking cheap to move into as well
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>>564760
Fuck off you ANTIFA fagoot, he was just posting architecture that he likes. Stop being a little bitch.
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>>562735
>Academia got infected with cultural marxism


>somebody unironicly holds this opinion
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>>562428
Nothing. Beauty is subjective. Eventually the style will change again.
I hope it's something you find aesthetically pleasing.
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>>562806
>But if everything was brutalist then it would ramp up the dystopia factor to 11 and be as imposing as possible.

I'd love to live in s a shitty dystopian brutalist playground.

Neon, hookers and dirty butchers peddling suspect meat.
A thin dusting of Cocaine on everything.
hoverbikes zooming overhead as some android gangsters make their getaway from the space gestapo.


wonderful.
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>>566170
Yea it did. Grow up. It hit subverted, if you don't like the term "cultural Marxism" then fine but it was subverted.
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>>563670
That picture is a lie though.

Retarded conspiracy theorists will always find a way to blame their boogieman. In reality it was just a special snowflake architect.
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I really love Antebellum houses. What kind of house would fit well in a mountainous area like Idaho, but still give the Greek feel of an Antebellum house?
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>>566197
>>566170
>>562735
What does "cultural marxism" even mean? I see this term thrown around by right-wingers all the time yet no-one seems to want to explain what is means and why I am supposed to hate it. What the fuck does it mean?
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>>563670
Am I the only one who thinks that facade would actually be cool?

That's like The Russian Ark in Architecture.
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>>566235
GET OUT.
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>>566120

I meant the brick-laying patterns but thank you for introducing me to this interesting and pretty architecture, anon.
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>>565167
>the future is in efficiency
>has a garage
pick one.
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>>565443
This actually looks beautiful.
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>>566238
Nah bro. That idea is fucking cool.

Normally that sort of thing clashes, but if you're going to build a museum of Germany, what could be better then trying to capture the old and the new at once?
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>>566264
Because, if you spend BILLIONS to rebuild a prussian baroque castle, you better do it right, for fucks sake.
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>>563002
pick one and only one
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>>566231
>ultural Marxism: An offshoot of Marxism that gave birth to political correctness, multiculturalism and "anti-racism." Unlike traditional Marxism that focuses on economics, Cultural Marxism focuses on culture and maintains that all human behavior is a result of culture (not heredity / race) and thus malleable. Cultural Marxists absurdly deny the biological reality of gender and race and argue that gender and race are “social constructs”. Nonetheless, Cultural Marxists support the race-based identity politics of non-whites. Cultural Marxists typically support race-based affirmative action, the proposition state (as opposed to a nation rooted in common ancestry), elevating non-Western religions above Western religions, speech codes and censorship, multiculturalism, diversity training, anti-Western education curricula, maladaptive sexual norms and anti-male feminism, the dispossession of white people, and mass Third World immigration into Western countries. Cultural Marxists have promoted idea that white people, instead of birthing white babies, should interracially marry or adopt non-white children. Samuel P. Huntington maintained that Cultural Marxism is an anti-white ideology. Critics of Cultural Marxism have maintained that Cultural Marxists intend to commit genocide against white people through mass non-white immigration, assimilation, transracial adoption and miscegenation.

I kind of agree with it, but I don't think it's intentional or organised and I don't think 'the jews' are behind it. (I don't label it cultural marxism though, just rampant 'muh feelings' and dumbing down)
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>>565460
gingerbread houses are based on this type of shit, your having a case of reverse causation senpai
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>>566269
What the fuck is 'right?'

There is one way to restore a building like that, and that is to restore the Prussian monarchy, which is unpalatable, never mind impossible.
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>>566329
I bet the Hohenzollern wouldn't say no if the government called them one day and asked "Hey guys, are you interested in forming a constitutional monarchy?" Also implying that:
>restoring their buildings = restoring the monarchy
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>>566347
No, no, no. Not a constitutional monarchy. The governance must be rebuilt on the actual Prussian Monarchy. Not only in it's autocracy, but in all of it's peculiar: it's relations with the other monarchies and nobilities of Europe, and the patchwork of German states and statelets, it's customs and offices, it's means of doing business.

And while we're at it, it's place inside of Berlin itself, it's relations to other buildings, the traffic and movement of peoples and animals throughout the city, etc.

>restoring their buildings = restoring the monarchy
Are you implying that buildings are distinct from their use?
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>>564558
>>564570
>you will never live in a Harry Potter book
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>>566197
>Yea it did. Grow up.
reread your comment and tell me who needs to grow up.

>It hit subverted, if you don't like the term "cultural Marxism" then fine but it was subverted.
Nothing was "subverted" m8 there's no conspiracy. It's like saying business was "subverted" by right wing interests.

Cultural marxism is a 4chan meme, I've never heard of it anywhere other than this site and I've never gotten a good definition of it here. It's used to mean "things I don't like" in most cases.

If you think ugly buildings get built because of a marxist political coup in Academia then you need to get your head checked.
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>>566391
Especially since most of the buildings complained about here are inspired by Le Corbusier, who was pretty much /pol/-tier.
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>>566399
Le Corbusier was a right wing nutjob? Brutalism confirmed for nazi shit.
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>>566404
He tried being buttbuddies with Stalin, but he wasn't having it.

So instead he offered his service to Mussolini to rebuild Addis Ababa. In his own words his own plans were "…models so severe, that one might think the colony was a space without time, and therefore, without history, and without any particular geographical meaning."

And then yeah, when 1940 went around, Corbusier was a Vichyite.
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>>562437
constructivism is also based
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>>566417
Brutalism confirmed for nazi and soviet shit at the same time.
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>>566061
the light stone 'edges' are called quoins, the brick pattern is just a standard running bond.

if you like brick look up alvar aalto, berlage, and mario botta
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>>566391

The cultural Marxism meme actually originates with an essay by a protege of Lyndon LaRouche which was eventually picked up and embelleshed by the likes of Pat Buchannan, whence it spread to the backwaters of Conservative talk radio and eventually /pol/.

The whole thing is a profound illustration of the dangers of political commentary that is not based on scholarship or intensive reading.
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>>566424
It gets better
>Brutalism became popular with governmental and institutional clients, with numerous examples in Britain, France, Germany, Japan, the United States, Canada, Brazil, the Philippines, Israel and Australia.
Brutalism confirmed for nazi, soviet neo-liberal shit.
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>>566427

my nigga. since we got someone in here who knows a thing or two about architecture, what do you think of Brutalism? do you know what the intentions of its founders were?
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>>562428
the upper one is pure kitsch, m8
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>>566221
its two almost diametrically opposed styles/ settings but baumschlager and eberle use some greek references. arno lederer also does this.

they build on mountainous sites with greek influences.
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>>566439
You're a tasteless pleb.
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>>566434
i like it. i used to walk around boston city hall all the time and eat lunch there.

like anything else in art it is a symbol and generally people in this thread have touched on what those indicators mean to them.

from what i understand the intentions of initial bldgs were to usher in a new advanced culture, bring about societal changes, shift paradigms etc etc. it largely failed in this but the flag was carried on by what

>>566432
posted.

i will say there is a difference between eastern bloc architecture, brut, and just using concrete i.e. a tadao ando or something
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>>566181
Isn't the point of modern architecture to oppose the idea of beauty though?
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>>566513
>like anything else in art it is a symbol
>art is meant to be symbolic
>and not just to look good

Found the post-modernist
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>>566556
>Isn't the point of modern architecture to oppose the idea of beauty though?
where do people get this shit
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>>562560
NYC
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>>566444
>that trashy fake medieval tower shit

You are, m8.
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>>564805
>the stone and brick square looks more advanced than an utter masterwork of craftsmanship.
k
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>>563596
>chemtrails
disgusting
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>>566576
>where do people get this shit
Failed BAs
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>>564972
I like the contrast with old architecture, some places are even building on top of them
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>>566609
>abloo bloo the past is evil and bad
Medival architecture looked nothing like that.
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>>562428
>>564570
>>566016
>>566120

Theyre constructing a new south facade for the football stadium that looks inspired by the older buildings.
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>>566670
>gaylord family
Kek.
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>>566609
What are you saying? It would look better if they served as real towers?
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>>564975
That's a baroque building.
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>>564972

>crumple tin foil and put it on a building
>wa la
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>>566642
>>566685
I'm saying that building fake minitiature neogothic shit in the early 20th century is corny

it's the architectural equivalent of wearing a fedora today.
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>>566513
I do have to say, using a lot of raw concrete is something that I actually do like a lot.

What I mostly hate in Architecture is top down solutions imposed by power. Any attempt to define 'good architecture' and make the land conform to it is obscene to me.

Hence, not liking architecture associated with government power, which unfortunately, brutalism jumped all over.
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>>566567
haha i concede.

while i dont agree art is meant to be symbolic or look like anything that is a whole other thread

>>566721
while a lot of it is bad many good things can come out of historicism or a style revival such as europe
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>>566674

j school is named after him too
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>>562428
>>562428
both those buildings are ugly. the lower one at least has logic on its side. there are better examples from either time period, I'm sure.

what the OP pic really says is that OP thinks D&D is cool and that a 20th century building should have -- and therefore looks "good" because -- it has a bunch of faggy, decorative "battlements" that serve absolutely no purpose.
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>>566759
>it has a bunch of faggy, decorative "battlements" that serve absolutely no purpose.
Aside from, you know, looking pleasing? Also what is the connection between neo-Gothic architecture and DnD?
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>>566753
>while a lot of it is bad many good things can come out of historicism or a style revival such as europe
It's possible, but I don't consider this tacky thing to be an example.

Strange variations like carpenter gothic are cool though.
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>>562457
so an architect should never do anything new because of your cultural baggage. you honestly think they intentionally built something ugly to make fun of rednecks? how far up your own ass are you?
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>>566743
its true i feel the same about neoclassical banks.

>>566787
that was my attempt at a bad joke. the pastiche of style always produces garbage.

thats funny i was just looking at a carpenter gothic page on wikipedia. was really nice and reminded me of some buildings at seaside, florida particularly the church.
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>>566759
>>566777
Not sure how much either of you know about architecture, but the purpose of that sort of decorative embellishment (beyond "looking nice", which is the intentional end result) is to "add visual interest" as designers and architects say. What they mean by this is that the top building has varied elements and patterns, things that break up the straight lines and solid forms of what a building is and does (delineates interior space from exterior space and provides protection from both the elements and other people). A building such as the above in OPs picture deviates from the necessary with small flourishes that give the viewer something to count, something to cast the eye over and points of reference on the building's face (or streetwall) help the viewer to identify different parts of the building. Visually, it's intended to be "easy to look at" as well as easy to identify and navigate from the outside.
The second building (Brutalist is apt) is intended to be jarring, or disconcerting, or at the very least make the viewer uncomfortable to the point where he thinks about the structure or is forced to look away. The solid lines and indistinguishable forms are meant to confuse. Unlike capital M Modern Architecture, it is not exclusively designed with function in mind, though function is important. It is designed to be an imposing, inhuman object. The visual flourishes added to the above building help the viewer to scale the structure. Those cues being absent from the Brutalist structure are intentionally absent, specifically to make it difficult for the viewer to scale the structure at a glance.
I like both buildings, but I admit Brutalism is an acquired taste, and certainly a difficult style of building to live with.
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>>564972
I think it looks neat.
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>>563670
How true is this picture?
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Brutalism for life

Durability and strength, the shit that would survive a nuclear war.
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>>564798
Its not suppose to look good. Brutalism makes the buildinf look and feel powerful
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Honestly, I like Brutalism, but dislike how its often used. I think Brutalism has potential to make city environments that are more natural and less alien to human perceptions, more evocative of natural environments by evoking the image of rockfaces.
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>>566989
Lies, all the way down. For example, there is no "Museum of the African Arts" in Berlin.

The Stadtschloss is being rebuilt, but the interior is going to be modern because we never had any plans for what the inside looked like.

Also, most of the disputes about the building were centered around what to build there, not how to build the Stadtschloss. Some people wanted the palace of the republic back, some people wanted a nice open park. A lot of ideas about how to use the land were pitched back and forth.

This is what it looks like today.
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>>562552
Do you even know what Art Deco is? That piece of shit you just posted looks like some tacky Middle Eastern penis compensator.
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>>563102
Wrong.

I'd rather spend time in the Caribbean where painted cement dominates.

Just take pride in your buildings and repaint them.
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>>562575
desu i like it .. its an improvement on the current one
if they can only finish that damn round about though....
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Art Deco attracts me in a way no other buildings except roman ones. I have a huge boner for Art Deco buildings and roman inspired buildings.

Imma post some Art Deco buildings from my country.
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>>567501
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>>567507
It just breaks my heart to know that the commies broke down so many of those beauties here in Romania...fuck those commie blocks most of them are ugly as fuck and doesn't provide any cosmopolitan aspect to the cities. The skyline of the city looks terribly dystopian and ugly
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There are a number of neoclassical building projects so hope has definitely not been lost.

Pic built in Stockolm 1995-1998
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>>567499
>>567501
>>567507
>>567518
Just look how Bucharest used to look in the 30's. It was so beautiful and orderly.
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>>562539

BUCHAREST
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>>562428
>Putting fake turrets and shit on your building
You're not a castle. Those architectural features once had a purpose, but it's been 500 years since they lost their relevance, now they're like an architectural appendix, vestigial and useless.

Brutalism a shit, but so is that pseudo-medieval crap.
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>>567905
Brutalism
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>>562428

Form follows function OP.
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>>562474
Queensland performing arts center.

the ugliest building in Brisbane (along with the museum built in the same style)
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>>562428
Brutalism is love.
Brutalism is life.
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>>566318

>Cultural Marxism focuses on culture and maintains that all human behavior is a result of culture (not heredity / race) and thus malleable. Cultural Marxists absurdly deny the biological reality of gender and race and argue that gender and race are “social constructs”.

I do this

>Cultural Marxists typically support race-based affirmative action, the proposition state (as opposed to a nation rooted in common ancestry), elevating non-Western religions above Western religions, speech codes and censorship, multiculturalism, diversity training, anti-Western education curricula, maladaptive sexual norms and anti-male feminism, the dispossession of white people, and mass Third World immigration into Western countries.

I don't do this

>Cultural Marxists have promoted idea that white people, instead of birthing white babies, should interracially marry or adopt non-white children.

I definitely don't do this

>Samuel P. Huntington maintained that Cultural Marxism is an anti-white ideology.
>Huntington
>Huntington
>Huntington

So am I a cultural marxist or not? I'm confused
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>>568101
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>>568109
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>>568111
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>>568062
>being this much of a fag
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>>568122
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>>568125
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>>568135
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>>563913
>>566208
>>567304
I'm afraid you're wrong. Broadly speak, it's true. There were left-wing objections to recreating a 'symbol of imperial power', and as a result the building will house 'African and non-European art'.

>t.clearly better than you at Googling
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>>568140
>nice sources
nice sources

Fuck off to >>>/pol/ with this shit younger than 25 years.
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>>564853
colonial architecture is way above brutalism
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the number of americans wanting to live in commieblocks is too damn high
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>>563913
>>566208
>>567304

learn to read between the lines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Palace,_Berlin#Reconstruction

>In view of the previous opposition, including high cost, and most importantly, the psychological and political objections, successive German governments had declined to commit themselves to the project.
>and most importantly, the psychological and political objections

translation: the left threw a massive tantrum over the proposed reconstruction...

>According to this compromise, three façades of the palace would be rebuilt, but the interior is to be a modern structure to serve as a cultural museum and forum.
>According to this compromise
>compromise

...and when they couldn't stop it completely at least managed to sabotage it as much as possible

>>563913
>I'm German and I googled my ass off
German media not reporting on the left being cunts? I'm shocked.
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>>568157
I don't actually visit /pol/. Huh, the number of times I've been told /pol/ is a boogeyman, I guess there must be some truth to it. Either way,

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-06-12/berlin-palace-rebuilding-begins-63-years-after-explosion

>Berlin’s non-European art and antiquities collections
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>>564853
>wipe out their native public building cultures.

Well, this is a strong contender for stupidest statement of the week. Do you really think that, for example, Indians stopped building Hindu temples in the traditional style in the mid 18th century when the British colonised them and started building gothic churches with a statue of their god instead of an altar?

If some building styles have fallen out of fashion it's more because of advances in engineering than because of colonisation.
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>>568164
>not liking comfyblocks
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>>568326
I lived in one for 5 months and I don't wish that shit on anyone.
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>>563015

Roman concrete was mixed with volcanic material, making it stronger and more durrable IIRC

also another good example, the hoover dam.
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Speaking of low cost production, high cost maintenance, should we make regulations against cheap, large buildings that decay easily during peacetimes? They're basically sending a check to future generations.
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>>562428
Yo fuck you OP. Brutalism is fucking beautiful.
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>>567155
I genuinely can't understand people that don't love this.
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>>562437
Kill yourself
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>>562562
No
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>>567265
wisdom

>>567507
>>567501
>>567499

nice. there's a small deco apt building near me in seafoam green. very pleasant. not much deco was ever built in Atlanta, it's a wonder it didn't get demolished like half the city after the suburban flight in the 60s
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>>563670
Fuck progressives, fuck leftists, fuck the 21st century, and fuck the west.
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>>569761
Relax, leftists aint nothing to do with the facade.
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>>569958
Progressives are distinctly and consistently left of center.

Or are you going to tell me BLM folks are right wing?
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My uni
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>>566603
it's in Chicago you goon
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>>570009
>how do u want ur buildings, senpai?
JUST
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>>566427
Botta is so based.
Also, I've lived in a city district designed by Aalto. It's pretty good, although I feel he's a bit overrated here.
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>>562443
Not going to lie, that actually looks pretty cool
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>>564972
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>>569958
serious question, do you mean that the east is somehow better in some way? Or africa? what in any way is better outside the west than in.
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>>567499
>>567501
>>567507
>>567540
These look much more like early functionalism than art deco. Only truly deco style is >>567518

Also, while I generally dislike brutalism with all its probems, there are indeed some instances where it really shines. Imo all these buildings, while fa from perfect has something great going on.
>>568112
>>568646
>>568116
>>567155
>>566421
>>565920
>>565443
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>>562428
Utilititarians happened.
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>>568100
The first passage establishes a theory, which is pretty sound. The second passage is how the theory is understood, published, and put into practice, or at least at most major universities. Third passage is the practice put to the extreme, but that's the far, far fringe.

Thing is, it's not some active group, it's just groupthink at-large. It looks like some single group, because it's the organizational culture of higher (and probably lower) academia, but it's not. It's just what happens when our ideas about status have been steadily disrupted over the last century, with a dose of connecting technology thrown in the mix.

School for me has been an exercise in watching people get brainwashed into this weird, identity-based self-hating perspective.
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Looking at brutalist architecture gives me this overpowering, uneasy feeling. It's like looking at a bloated, water-logged corpse.
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before ww2
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>>570302
now
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>>570304

That's not bad, looks decent and timeless.
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>>570009
longcat desu
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>>564773
tiniest of dicks detected
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>>564972
the only good thing about this is the fact that when you bomb it noone will ever repair this shit. Same goes for the Dancing House in Prague. Wannabe artistic scheise
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