but solely as a product of enviroment. Had I been born at another time but the same place, i would most likely have joined up for something. I recently read a book on a norweigan SS voulenteer who signed up for the adventure, and I'd prob have done the same.
>>531205 I admire the sentiments of pacifism, but I've been in too many bad situations to give up violence as a tool. Perhaps there will be a time in your life when it's you, or him. Killing doesn't even have to be a part of the equation. Once in a while a person with a problem won't leave you be, and the only thing they respond to is getting their face broken.
>>531232 >get conscripted and fight as a shitty private on the western front >'sea of mud and blood' wtf is this >get wounded 14 (!) times including a bullet going in and out of your chest >10/10 would fight again
I think most people on this board haven't done anything to drive home how shitty war is. My neighbor was on a boat of some sort during WW2 and it still fucks him up thinking about all the people he's never going to see again. "muh martial glury n ancestor" faggots have probably never been in a real fight, let alone a situation where they might die.
The thing is war mostly isn't killing your mortal enemies in a heroic charge, most of the "horrors of war" aren't even related to fighting to begin with. I sure as fuck wouldn't like to be hunting rats in some ruined building out of starvation while slowly dying of hunger, thirst, frostbite and infection.
>>531337 You see, I had 2 friends who had the exact same reasoning as you do.
And even though I spent A LOT of time hanging out with them, they got their asses handed to them constantly, while I only got punched twice (and one of those occasions was pulling one of those friends out of a fight).
It's only impossible to resolve issues with actual, schizophrenic loonies and those are rare as fuck.
>>531662 Hungarian here. My country has had plenty of war.
War is an opportunity to cleanse the nation of excess culture. Things like obsession with social media and divisiveness over petty political things. War takes much, but it takes someone truly blind to not see that perpetual peace makes a people complacent, naive, and weak.
Peace is good, but every few decades things need to be shaken up. The current state of forced peace in Europe just means that nations can't evolve dynamically anymore. Big countries have banded together and little countries need to just accept what they're stuck with. Europe's most powerful country (Germany) has a shit military and a weak leadership that only takes the reigns of Europe when it works against Europe. It's pathetic, and it wouldn't have stood for a month in old Europe, when stupidity and carelessness were punished. We think we're free but we've traded visible and clear kings for corporations and powerful men you'll never hear of, much less hold accountable for how much sway they hold over our world.
War is bad, but this peace is worse. It signals the degeneration of our world, and in a hundred years when African countries will have grown powerful enough to force European influence out of their lands, when American dominance of the Pacific slips, and when Germany becomes an actual shithole welfare state, we'll have gotten what we deserved. If you don't export your bull shit, someone will import theirs.
I'm not even bitter, we deserve everything that's going to happen to us, because we pulled a Romans and became a society of excess and complacency.
>If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood >Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, >Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud >Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, >My friend, you would not tell with such high zest >To children ardent for some desperate glory, >The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori.
>>531238 Ok, if war is so fun and amazing and you don't fear battle or death, how many tours have you done so far? Where were you stationed? Oh no, you're just a little whiny /pol/ack bitch trying to feel special because he has the same skin colour as someone who ran around with an axe and killed people over 1000 years ago. Stop fucking cumming over your skin pigment and actually do something with your life to be proud of
>>531899 That's because war fucks them up to the point of no longer being able to function in a society anymore. It's almost never "wew, that was nothing but tons of fun" but "shit, I'm fucked to the point where I can only properly function in an army"
>>531238 >>531899 >veterans agree war is a very fun adventure >good portion of veterans from missing the military and often, war They don't miss it because its fun, you insufferable fuckstick. They miss it because the sense of purpose you have from being deployed during a major operation is like nothing else most people will ever get in their lives. To top it off, you're stuck somewhere with people that you will develop very personal relationships with. There are very very few combat veterans that speak fondly of their combat experiences. Its always their buddies and what they were there to do that they speak fondly of. The ones that do speak fondly are these full-hooah airborne infantry adrenaline war-junkies like one sergeant I had who always talked about Warhammer 40k and shit.
our country has been plagued by a civil war since our independence in '48. The other day, a 50-something veteran amputee knocked on my front door to beg for money because the state only gives him 40 dollars a month, which isn't even enough for rent in his squalid little room.
It was a very heartbreaking thing to see a man that's completely broken in body and in spirit. War IS a terrible thing, and you don't even need to experience it to know it.
>>531205 >Who else /pacifist/ here? That depends. Are you, and do you define a 'pacifist' as a physically and mentally weak spineless pussy who 'avoids conflict' and would never fight for anything or 'get involved', and believes the horseshit that 'violence never solves anything' etc. If so, no. If you define it as one who will fight to protect the things and people he cares for, might enjoy an honorable conflict/fight now and again, yet still despises the throwing away of innocent lives, needless war and violence, things like torture and genocide and harbors utter contempt those who would order others into conflicts while being too cowardly to practice what they preach/go out and fight or be useful themselves. Then yes and I am.
>>531205 Me. Makes making sense of history so much easier.
Also >be me >be strict deontological pacifist >also be semi-professional fighter >some neckbeard or dudebro starts talking about what kind of pussy rejects violence. They'd like to introduce them to reality. >"You want to engage in a non-coercive fight, bro?" >"N-no thank you, Mr. Pacifist."
>be me >be strict deontological pacifist >also be semi-professional fighter >some neckbeard or dudebro starts talking about what kind of pussy rejects violence. They'd like to introduce them to reality. >"You want to engage in a non-coercive fight, bro?" >"N-no thank you, Mr. Pacifist
>>531816 >You see, I had 2 friends who had the exact same reasoning as you do.And even though I spent A LOT of time hanging out with them, they got their asses handed to them constantly, So they had guts just couldn't fight for shit? >while I only got punched twice (and one of those occasions was pulling one of those friends out of a fight). What was the other time? And I would wager that you got hit so little as in the example you cited, you might not have gotten involved in the actual fight and just dove in singularly to hold your friend back. >It's only impossible to resolve issues with actual, schizophrenic loonies and those are rare as fuck. No, it's not 'rare as fuck' and at the very least less rare as you claim. Even if it were one of those rare occasions, it has every bit of that chance to escalate in a life threatening situation. This world has many very bad people who will, or people who have no qualms about, making a decision where they will thrust you into a situation where violence is the most trustworthy option out. They will without hesitation try to jump, rob, kill, rape and do many more horrible things to you or those you love or both. Having a violent means of defending yourself (i.e. martial arts, weapons/guns) and knowing how to properly use it is not only smart but critical. Unike certain people would have you believe we are not, 'beyond the need for violence and conflict', in an era where it is no longer needed, neither are we, nor were our ancestors, barbarous savages for knowing and developing such means for self defense and defense of others. Anyone who thinks we have no need for these things demonstrates that they have not learned anything from history and are unprepared to deal with any violent eventualities. Nothing but easy prey for those who would take advantage of their weakness
>>532381 >some neckbeard or dudebro starts talking about what kind of pussy rejects violence. They'd like to introduce them to reality. >"You want to engage in a non-coercive fight, bro?" >"N-no thank you, Mr. Pacifist." Those people are hypocrites and cowards. You can enjoy 'violence' (I. e. such as martial arts) and hate needless conflict that brings uneccessary harm, such as harm to innocents
>>532080 >his ancestors don't live through them >some of us here come from proud warrior ancestry and do not fear battle or death I would agree with him that warrior honor, ancestoral role models, fighting spirit, and bravery are all admirable and virtuous traits to have. >fucking liberal pussy coward I'd also agree that many liberals(the cowardly type)to which he is referring would avoid even meaningful conflict and fighting that could stop bad individuals and save people. >also most veterans agree that war and battle are very fun adventurers. I would direct this to anon's post here >>532114 along with the addendum that while fight and wars can be fought honorably, there are many things such as torture and genocide that are ugly and evil and that no one should ever have to see or know
>>Who else /pacifist/ here? >That depends. Are you, and do you define a 'pacifist' as a physically and mentally weak spineless pussy who 'avoids conflict' and would never fight for anything or 'get involved', and believes the horseshit that 'violence never solves anything' etc. >If so, no. >If you define it as one who will fight to protect the things and people he cares for, might enjoy an honorable conflict/fight now and again, yet still despises the throwing away of innocent lives, needless war and violence, things like torture and genocide and harbors utter contempt those who would order others into conflicts while being too cowardly to practice what they preach/go out and fight or be useful themselves. >Then yes and I am.
>>531464 >Lo there do I see my father. >Lo there do I see my mothers and my sisters and my brothers. >Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning. >Lo they do call to me. >They bid me take my place among them. >In the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may >live forever. . Buliwyf, The 13th Warrior Other than the Ad Homenims i'd agree ancestral honor and emulation are good
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