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Has anything like this ever been done before or was it the first time? Is there any analogy in history?
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>>526811
A couple of Confederate officers were hung for the shit that gone down in Confederate Prisoner of War camps
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>>526811
There were a bunch of WWI trials.
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They killed the people they feared with the illusion of justice. A moral victory? Absolutely not. Jewspiracies aside, I only remember reading about one Nazi who's death may have been unwarranted. Almost everyone who was shot was connected to the Holocaust or some of the SS war crimes. I really wish I knew the name of the general who was killed but didn't seem to have any connection to war crimes. I'm sure someone else will know.

Good luck with your /pol/ bait thread of you aren't actually trying to troll.
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>>526811
do you mean a mockery where everybody knew the verdict before the trial even started, done only in order for the liberals to claim to be the good guys ?
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>>526811
A case of Ex post facto law. An attempt to disguise an executive action as a Judicial one.

There's actually an article from 1946 discussing it if anyone on this board reads.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1946/04/nuremberg-a-fair-trial-a-dangerous-precedent/306492/
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>>526857
The verdicts were mostly understandable however but it was definitely a mockery especially when we see who was the Soviet judge. And how everybody awkwardly decided to be silent about the Soviet part in starting WWII except when the Soviets tried to put the blame on Soviet war crimes on Germany. Even Goering found it funny.
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>>526857
>claim

They pretty much were the good guys you stormfaggot.
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>>526900
Do not apply your personal and arbitrary moral values to history, especially when comparing anyone to the Soviet Union.
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>>526811

The russians wanted to hang Napoleon, but he got away.
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>>526911
Anyone who fought the Nazis in that war were the good guys and were justified.

Whatever wrong the Soviet Union did is on them, this has nothing to do with the fact that the Nazi started a world war that killed more than 50 million people and were rightly condemned for it.
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>>526923
>anyone who fought the Nazis in that war were the good guys
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>>526923
The Nazis started WWII TOGETHER with the Soviet Union. Together, having similar agendas, allied with each other and dividing Europe among themselves. Whoever allies with at least one of them can't be called a good guy. The Western Allies did with the Soviet Union just because Germany is closer to them geographically.
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>>526935
Look you fucking fag.

Nobody is defending the Soviet Union. Nobody.

And deflecting over to the Soviet Union makes you look like an idiot.

If ONLY the Soviet Union invaded and tried to annex continental Europe, I would be shit talking them instead, so go fuck yourself.
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>>526954
>'Anyone who fought the Nazis in that war were the good guys and were justified.'
>the Soviet Union fought the Nazis in that war
>'Nobody is defending the Soviet Union. Nobody.'
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>>526961
They were right to destroy Germany, and in that sense they were the good guys.

But the USSR was still a shithole that should've been nuked.
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>>526961
Soviet apologists are still alive. Unfortunately that's the original sin of WWII historiography. Claiming WWII was a fight of good vs. evil. Liberal democracies didn't invade anyone (let's forget Iceland) but they allied with someone who did out of convenience and they later sold their allies to them with full knowledge that they're going to get butchered. Now let's make more movies about D-Day.
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>>526961
Your wish to condemn or defend or justify the NSDAP regime in Germany is exactly the same historically as anyone's wish to defend or justify the Wallies or the Soviets:

ahistorical

>>>/pol/
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>>526972
They were the necessary evil, they weren't good in any way
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>>526972
So we've gone from 'good guys' to 'good guys in a sense', I wonder how far we're going to retreat from the original statement.

>>526974
Who's defending the NSDAP?
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>>526988
>So we've gone from 'good guys' to 'good guys in a sense', I wonder how far we're going to retreat from the original statement.

You're just being a pedantic nigger. I don't care how much you think I retreat, they were a necessary part of destroying Germany, and if they didn't, Europe would be a complete shithole today.
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ITT /pol/tards pretend actions are inseparable from the actor and can't be judged indepently of them.

Just nuke it from orbit.
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>>526988
Defence and justification are identical to me, normative statements that belong on >>>/pol/
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>>526974
GO AWAY I DONT WANT TO FIGHT YOU :^(
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>>526988
Condemnation and defence obv.

Like I'm going to invest in a topic where shitty little first years at best are playing moral games.
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>>527003
Perhaps making a bloodbath out of half of Europe is justified as long as it's not the western part. Therefore the Soviets were the lesser evil from this point of view.
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>>527006
that's an interesting response when you avoid answering the argument part of his post
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>>527006
Oh no, you're trying to defend normative history?

RANKE

Fuck off back to >>>/pol/
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>>527006
>losing the debate
There was no debate. Just Nazi shilling
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>>526972
The only good guys in WWII were the democracies who stopped hitler, the soviets only managed to make europe a living hell for the next 70 years.
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>>526997
I apologise for being over-scrupulous

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>>527009
Yes I'm being audacious enough to claim that the Nazi German government and its people weren't the manifestation of pure evil. Anyone who fought against them would only do so with the most pure intentions of maintaining Good in the world.
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>>527016
>>527020
>>527023
never defended hitler once this thread but "muh pol" is the most pathetic thing i`ve seen on this site in years.
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>>526954
Somebody's forgetting how the Soviets also invaded several european countries in a similar way to nazi Germany

See: east Poland , Finland, baltics
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>>526935
The Western Allies were against Germany for a number of reasons: many treaties and trust between countries were broken when they started annexing Austria, Sudetenland, and Poland.

This isn't even mentioning the Treaty of Versailles which they effectively shit on. On the while, even before 1940, when Germany and England were fighting skirmishes for early control in Norway, Germany made it clear her navy was vying for control in the Atlantic theater.

Russia didn't do anything. Not until the annex of parts of Poland and Finland. But even then, they made sure not to overstep any bounds politically. And so did we. I don't believe we, nor any allies, sent any allies to defend parts of Finland from capitulation to Russian forces.
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>>527027
And the Western allies allowed them to rape and murder anyone they pleased. Enemy of my enemy and so on. Of course Stalin planed to get to them later anyway but it was still a low treason that should be treated as such. Instead there was a campaign to forget about this and promote the positive view on WWII where good guys won and it was only later that former friends parted their ways.
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>>527033
Our job is to present history as it essentially was. Not to make moral judgements. If you want moral judgements there's a board set aside for that. Morally judging is a political issue. The board is >>>/pol/

Remarkable!

It isn't about the particular political complexion of /pol/, it is about whether the topic suits! Imagine that! Imagine that historians deny themselves normativity! We do! >>>/pol/

Enjoy yourself! It is later than you think.
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>>527036
Yes, and in those cases people were justified in resisting and the Soviets were the problem.

What's your point? Is it really that hard for you not to view the world in black and white?
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>>527046
>topic is literally about moral judgements
>we're not here to make moral judgements!
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>>526935
I don't think this guy knows that much about wwII
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>>527046
Moral judgements is found in history and politics and honestly i have no idea what this has to do with politics or /pol/.
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>>527037
Well except for genocide of people of non-Russian nationality in the late 30s in the Soviet Union (by NKVD) but before the war. But I get that was still on their own turf.

The prime reason why UK, USA and co allied with Stalin against Hitler was of course that he was the biggest threat to them. Stalin of course wanted the same thing as Hitler but Germany was closer.
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>>527059
Where did you get that information? Your ass?
Russia didn't even have a modern industry at the beginning of wwII.
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>>527059
>genocide
Top kek. That's just shit that butthurt Ukrainians made up and NATO endorses that story for obvious reasons.in reality is was a shittily executed collectivization of grain, due to Soviet incompetence, not some massive conspiracy to kill a bunch of useless peasants
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>>527076
>Russia didn't even have a modern industry at the beginning of wwII.
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>>527080
They didn't. Most of Russia was still serfing it up. Why the fuck do you think Stalin needed the Lend Lease act to resupply his shit tier army. Why do you think they needed to use slave labor to build all their tanks. WWII modernized Russia's industry, beforehand it was mostly rural farming area.
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>>527057
>is
Not your first language? We use ARE for plurals there.

Your first language? Be fucking ashamed.

>i have no idea
We represent the past as it essentially was. We don't make moral judgements (Ranke).
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>>527076
Sovietologists who know their are of expertise.
The belief that Stalin would just sit in his own country and build socialism was equally wrong to the belief that Lenin would do the same.
In 1940 Stalin already had a significant portion of Europe. He had even more in 1945. Meanwhile he was trying to be at least on equal terms with the US with nuclear power (thanklfully he died just a few weeks before the first Soviet tests with the hydrogen bomb thus sparing us WWIII). Not to mention he loved what he heard from his faithful bitch FDR when he proposed that the western Allies would retreat their troops right after WWII.
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>>527059
Stalin wanted the same thing as Hitler? And what was that?
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>>527079
I do like how doesn't know how certain parts of the world don't know a single goddamn thing about anything that happened in the East in the 30s and 40s except for Stalingrad and Kursk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD_%281937%E2%80%9338%29
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>>526822
Sherman literally conducted an ethnic cleansing of Georgia and South Carolina.
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>>526811
To give you an idea an SS officer "confess" to be part of the katyn massacre

Imagine how many crimes didn't happen or the Germans didn't do
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>>527109
Class was explicitly excluded from the UN definition of genocide.
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>>526857
>the liberals
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>>527109
>In order to speed up the process the NKVD personnel reviewed local telephone books and arrested persons with Polish-sounding names.
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>>527033
>but "muh pol" is the most pathetic thing i`ve seen on this site in years.

Those must've been some very short "years".
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>>527116
Good thing the criteria there wasn't based on class. And people say only Hitler was obsessed with nationalities.
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>>527125
>arrest
>genocide

Nice conflation.
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>>526839
there was a jurnalist who they tried and hanged at the main trail despite him never having any position of power or any direct role or knowledge of the holocaust. He did write of a couple of very detailed blood "libel" cases
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>>527183
>DISCUSS WHAT I WANT NOT WHAT YOU WANT

You have your own fucking board.
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Redirecting people to /pol/ is something I've seen on almost every 4chan board I've been to, we consider it a sort of damage control.

If 4chan is an autonomous body in the vein of Hobbes' Leviathan, then Hiroyuki Nishimura is the head of state and /pol/ is the lower intestines. We are simply directing fecal matter towards the lower intestines. Nothing wrong with that...
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