/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

tinycore 8.0

>devuan
systemd haters have been proven wrong so many times now. seriously, fuck off once for good.

>>61012757
Your provides sources actually changes my mind. Thanks for posting!

>>61012757
>says increasingly nervous german redhat programmer 31st time this year

>>61012342
Is there any software for Linux that would let me type shit remotely onto my android device? kinda like KDE Connect's virtual input just the other way around. Or something that would let me see my android screen on PC and use it from there.

>>61012984
ssh

>>61012984
ssh?

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>>61012984
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Android, is in fact, Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, the Linux operating system. Android is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Linux system made useful by the Linux kernel, syscalls and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the Linux operating system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Linux which is widely used today is often called "Android", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Linux operating system, developed by the Linux Foundation.

Τhere really is an Android, and these peοple are using it, but it is јust a part οf the system they use: Android is the interface: the prοgrams in the system that interacts with the user. Τhe interface is an essential part οf an οperating system, but useless by itself; it can οnly functiοn in the cοntext οf a cοmplete οperating system. Android is nοrmally used in cοmbinatiοn with the Linux operating system: the whοle system is basically Linux with Android added, or just "Linux". All the sο-called "Android" operating systems are really just Linux operating systems.

>>61013032
linux was a mistake

>>61012757
Devuan is fantastic, you should try it, Lennart.

Also the Devuan developers are tip top, they even implement a 'no code of conduct', like a professional distribution should.

>>61012825

>see bullshit post
>painstakingly disprove every point, citing unimpeachable sources.
>see similar thread next day.
>open.
>see same copypaste bullshit post, with same filename.jpg and same faggot tripcode.

>>61013201
Not sure if it actually did worse than good. Sure Linux developers and Open Source shills pretty much hold the success of Free Software back, but at the other hand, would people even care about freedom without Linux making it (freedom) "by accident" popular?
I wouldn't say Linux it's a mistake, but it's a mistake what people currently do: Trying to turn GNU/Linux in yet another monopoly, ruled by corporations like Red Hat, Microsoft, Google (and/or whatever current premium member at the Linux Foundation).

>>61013309
r u drunk?
pls rephrase ur question

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Anyone want me to write a shell script? I'm bored and need some challenge/exercise.

>>61013410
Can you make this work?
I need to recursivly go in to a directory and withn ints folders and look for an extension,when it finds this extension it moves it back to the base directory.
This works but not for whitespace filenames

for i in $(find . -name "*.rar"); do mv "$i" ./ ; done

In this instance moving all rar files back one directory

>>61012984
ssh you babby

>>61013434
You may just want the -exec option of find, which runs a command on every result (with \; or on all results with \+).

find . -name '*.rar' -exec mv {} . \;

For testing, just prefix with "echo":

find . -name '*.rar' -exec echo mv {} . \;

>>61013522
cool guy here, "." isn't needed, just ommit it
find -name '*.rar' -exec echo mv {} . \;

>>61013650
Well right, but I'm not sure if portable.

>>61013522
-ok instead of -exec will ask for verification each hit.

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>>61013705
Already forgot about this, added to my oneliners. Have this RARE stallman for your troubles.

>>61013522
How would you specify multiple file types at the same time?

>>61013740
>nobody will ever know what is in my bag

>>61013763
dead parrots and a collection of toe jam and dead foot skin

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>>61013740

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>>61013740

So guys, it seems that XFWM fucks up when a 640x480 program attempts to fullscreen. After swapping to Marco, it went to full screen properly. Is there a config to fix that in XFWM or should I just swap WMs?

>>61013931
fluxbox

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What are some snazzy terminal commands? I already know about telnet mapscii.me

>>61013931
post output of

apt-get moo

>>61013974

# dl all rms.sry pics into the current dir
wget -nc -nd -nv -re robots=off -ERhtml -Ajpg,JPG rms.sexy/img
# dl all rms working pics into the current dir
n="$(wget -qO- https://stallman.org/photos/rms-working/pages/ | sed -n 's#.*href="\(.*\)\.html".*#\1#p' | sort -n | tail -1)"; i=1; while [ "$i" -ne "$n" ]; do wget -qO- "stallman.org/photos/rms-working/pages/${i}.html" | sed -n 's#.*alt="\([^"].*[jpg|JPG]\).*#stallman.org/photos/rms-working/\1#p'; i="$((i+1))"; done | xargs wget -nc -n

reminder thatn .sexy and .working may overlap, if you want a quick collection of stallmans, go the rms.sexy way, if you want the full stallmans, be aware that you may need to fix the orientation of some of the .working stallmans.

>>61013974
Made by /fglt/ in collab: GPLv3

for n in $(seq `tput cols`);{ x=-;((n%5))||x=+;((n%10))||x=\|;echo -n $x;}

Trying to install debian 9
I get an error that says something about CD
What do?

>>61014086
read the error carefully

>>61014085
let me explain why your ruler never took off:
>Q: wait what, you don't know about the /fglt/-Ruler? wtf
>A: does it even have a logo?
>Q:

>>61014086
Your installation CD-ROM could not be mounted

>>61014085
>>61014124
here's how it works:

a)
>create shitty shit
b)
>post on HN
c)
>????

>>61014119
>>61014155
meant for you

>>61013976

 bash: apt-get: command not found 

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How come gnome is so shit at handling font sizes and the window title borders? It looks so bad, and the behaviour is painfully inconsistent.

At x1 UI scaling, Gnome is pretty much unusable on a MBPr, unless you crank up the font size. Then most of the windows look just fine, EXCEPT from firefow and the top bar. They have an appropriate font size by default, so scaling up the rest of the fonts cause these to be massive.

ONLY firefox and the top bar show this weird behaviour in font size, as far as I can tell, and it just makes no sense to me. I am trying soooo hard to like Gnome and get away from buggy KDE, but I'm just not ever getting it to look usable.

How do we, the community, fix the systemd problem? Companies like canonical and red hat make it look like we actually want it (which may even open doors to more "organizing the chaos which currently GNU/Linux is".

What's /fglt/s stance on this? Do you want a monopoly which "organizes" GNU/Linux? (y/n)

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why does this desktop looks so good?

>>61014242
>size 4 font
It looks horrible
Wallpapers are bloat and for fags

What is the best sounding open audio format that any audio player will be able to play?

>>61014279
The ogg container. If something doesn't support ogg, you can be sure that it's sheeple bullcrap.

>>61014325
What is ogg like compared to FLAC or WAV or MP3?

>>61014267
That's an ancient 4k resolution monitor made by IBM.
The font is actually 13px

>>61014351
It's lossy like MP3.
It's better than MP3 at low-to-medium bitrates, so it's perfect for reencoding your music for a mobile playback device for saving space.
ogg vorbis at 192kbps should be comparable to mp3@320kbps at like 1/4 the fucking space.

Can we post some unironically "must have" good aliases or functions?

>>61014399

# systemd aliases and functions

listd() {
    echo -e ${BLD}${RED}" --> SYSTEM LEVEL <--"${NRM}
    find /etc/systemd/system -mindepth 1 -type d | sed '/getty.target/d' | xargs ls -gG --color
    [[ $(find $HOME/.config/systemd/user -mindepth 1 -type d | wc -l) -eq 0 ]] ||
        (echo -e ${BLD}${RED}" --> USER LEVEL <--"${NRM} ; \
        find $HOME/.config/systemd/user -mindepth 1 -type d | xargs ls -gG --color)
}

# systemlevel
start() { sudo systemctl start $1.service; sudo systemctl status $1.service; }
stop() { sudo systemctl stop $1.service; sudo systemctl status $1.service; }
restart() { sudo systemctl restart $1.service; sudo systemctl status $1.service; }
status() { sudo systemctl status $1.service; }
enable() { sudo systemctl enable $1.service; }
disable() { sudo systemctl disable $1.service; }

# userlevel
startu() { systemctl --user start $1.service; }
stopu() { systemctl --user stop $1.service; }
restartu() { systemctl --user restart $1.service; }
enableu() { systemctl --user enable $1.service; }
disableu() { systemctl --user disable $1.service; } 
statusu() { systemctl --user status $1.service; } 

>>61014376
People on /g/ praise FLAC, how is ogg compared to wav?

>>61014203
>buggy KDE
I STILL don't get this meme. The latest releases have worked wonderfully for me without a single bug or crash.

>>61014279
>currently
I'd suggest ogg, but the currently best shit is opus. Opus encoding compared to mp3 is like -
320k = 192k opus, so you can happyly stream 128k and have EBIN sound on the other end or encode your recordings in 192k opus in order to save spave with really high quality.

wait 2-5 years and people will realize that opus is the future

>>61014435
People on /g/ praise flac because it's lossless, free as in freedom and ubiquotous.
Comparing lossless format to another lossless format is silly at best, they all do the same thing

>>61014435
flac is (like wav) lossless, which means, its the same quality as ripped from source
mp3, opus, vorbis, are lossy formats, which means, the drop everything "known" to be unable to hear with the human ear in order to save filesize

>>61014435
flac is the png
mp3 is the jpg

>>61014515
>png
No,flac is TIFF

>>61014435
/g/ praises flac because its a free format

Any mpv hackers ITT? I'm trying to figure out how to get the currently played track for my lemonbar shite.

>>61014461
>>61014493
Lossless can convert to lossy without any problems, but lossy cannot convert to lossless?

>>61014683
You can but why? Lossy implies some of the source data was lost to save space How are you going to recover it when converting to lossless?

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systemd on devuan

r8

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>>61014880

how to bypass youtube-dl "not available in your country" shite?

what does BIOS want to see to boot a USB?

my machine is not booting any usb isos lately. i use dd to burn to usb, even started to && sync to no avail. i dont know enough to figure out if the .iso's are fugged or my machine is acting up

>>61012342
I need to run a gui only program on a headless server. My understanding is i can use X11 forwarding instead of vnc. How do I maintain this program running after i leave the SSH session?

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New logo

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this one is a giant bee attacking a penguin. ((attacking the mouth) of the penguin)) with a colourful background. Feel free to redistribute this image to your friends family and peers. They will delight! I'm not chinese. Ho ho or santa HE CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF No no jk that was a bad joke like Stalin.

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Again. Feel free to redistribute this image to your friends family and peers.

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how can we, the community even stop the systems, when corporations will speak for us anyway? what do?

>>61015666
systemd*

>>61012342
10/10, pic made me install Devuan

I installed Manjaro and enjoy it. What is /g/'s opinion of this distro?

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>>61015666
<s>
Bro (my friend), it's Free as in Feeedom. This is what Open Source is all about. You're free to reject anything if you want. This is Linux. Freedom of choice!
</s>

>>61015787
idk man, these people just want their salery like everyone else... it doesn't mean that anyone is forced to use %program or %init...

Just leaving this here, b/c it actually changed my POV on things related:
>I'm new, what is systemd, the heck does it do and why is it bad? Is systemd a botnet, does it have the NSA backdoors? If so why? Iisn't an init something that just starts some daemons? also what is this Devuan autism? Please respond.
All answers here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo

>>61015289
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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1) Is anybody going to maintain unity now that Ubuntu is switching to gnome?

2) Running mint cinnamon 18, fully updated. i3-5010u, 850 Evo 12 GB ram. Why does my screen blank out for a couple seconds when I login? Is it because I have an encrypted home?

you know why this thread is dead?
freetards

>>61016477
So sorry that this thread doesn't fit your /r/linux reddit consumer theme needs.
Talking about freedom really sucks. That said, when it comes to sell GNU/Linux to Wintards the freedom meme becomes a good seller again, right?
/1.0 butthurt sarcasm

>>61016569
>being this mad
>>61016231
who is this qt

>>61016477
Blow it out your ass

>>61016477
You know why this system exists? Freetards.

>>61015733
I hear some people enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQCwYAhZnQg
Has anyone seen the new /g/tuber?

>>61015314
Run a typical docker container? You don't need to actually display anything.

>>61016749
https://alpinelinux.org/
https://clang.llvm.org/
https://www.musl.com/

>>61015733
It has a no-systemd option, which makes it aces

Say what you what about windows, but windows 7 has a UI that can never be beaten.

>>61016786
Jup, when these programs win the race, it's the death of GNU and free software in general. The open source developent model however will survive, so we can collaborate and contribute to a new Apple/Mircosoft-Like Red Hat systems, which will replace the Unix-like "GNU/Linux" system, and stupid memes about terminology will finally be solved, finally. already, Fuck yes. And since we have TRUE FREEDOM instead of GPL, corporations finally can get our code and push technology in general further to maximum mass surveillence, which also ends terrorism in general.
Hail alpine.

>>61013974

printf "%1s\u25b2\n\u25b2\u0020\u25b2\n"

>>61016953
people take thw alpine meme too serious
alpine is cool when you want a minimal sys for your router, but thats it, nobody would ever run this thing as daily driver os

clane, however, is a serious problem

>>61017011
clang*

When will the linux kernel no longer have gcc dependencies? Do I have to wait for linux to die?

>>61012342
is it possible to install gentoo in chroot? i just want it for the toolchain, not installing in bare metal.

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>>61017035
The expression “the Linux kernel” can easily be misunderstood as meaning “the kernel of Linux” and implying that Linux must be more than a kernel. You can avoid the possibility of this misunderstanding by saying or writing “the kernel, Linux” or “Linux, the kernel”.

>>61017011
>clang
Only BSDfags really care.

>>61017035
when you tell linus and co not being lazy
good luck with that, btw :^)

>>61012984
For just typing text into input boxes in Android the is a program called "input" available in the Android cli so you can use something like adb shell input text "blah blah blah". Shell quoting rules apply, twice.

>>61013410
back + bump

>>61015314
Use xpra. It runs the program under an xvfb instances and copies that buffer to the client over ssh when you connect.

For checksums (when sharing) sha256 is the right thing, right?

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any ideas on how to get the proper text to show up? i'm using "LANG=ja_JP.utf8 wine" before the exe but it shows up like this.

>>61017346
You could include MD5 or SHA1, but SHA256 is the minimal, though SHA512 wouldn't hurt.

>>61017346
for simple and local comararing shit md5 is good eanough (and fast)
for sharing, 256 or 512 (512 may be tryhard by who knows).

>>61017327
Everything below 256 is dead by today.
>>61017392
from sha1 to sha256 will take at least 64*256.000.000 years.

>>61017425
>>from sha1 to sha256 will take at least 64*256.000.000 years.
[cititation needed]

>>61017035
there is a patch to build kernel using ninja + clang

>>61017365
you probably lack the font

I've been out of the loop for about 3 months, what's the newest hot distro?

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Well?

>>61017956
>Fedora
It really doesn't matter what frosting you put on a turd.

>>61017956
Xfce

>>61017820
Gentoo
Manjaro
NixOS
GuixSD

Sup fags, I really have been thinking on migrating to Linux, but im a developer and casual gamer, I would like to know if I can do everything on Linux and what distro is best.

I currently use:

Visual Studio
Android APK Studio
C# and Java development, constantly running .net apps
Considerably sized user community for help with bugs n shit
Security
Games (The Sims 4, GTA V, Hearts of Iron 4, Europa Universalis 4, Skyrim, Elder Scrolls Online)

Would like to know if and how to run everything above.

>>61018744
Linux is not for you.

>>61018744
You might want to stick with dual booting for a while because especially for the vidya part wine isn't ready yet for directx 11 games

>>61018805
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mis take in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

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>>61018805
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>61018744
>C#
eh, you'll miss many .NET core libraries.
>Java
IntelliJ got you covered.

>VS Studio
Why do you need that for?

>Games
Shadow of mordor, Rocket league etc. Shadow of war is coming soon.

I'm curious why you are using C# in the first place, it's a shitty language

>>61018744
>Visual Studio
nope
> Android APK Studio
probably
>C# and Java development, constantly running .net apps
Technically you can but it would be a far inferior environment. Also some core .net stuff is still windows only.
> Considerably sized user community for help with bugs n shit
Good luck fixing bugs you can't reproduce.
> Security
Yeah
> Games
ESO doesn't run under wine last I checked

>>61018891
>>61018922
Then its full of shit. How can you guys even use it? If you cant use it for gaming nor development why even bother?

>>61019057
I use better languages than your trashlang tho

>>61019057
Don't expect things to go right when you use proprietary software

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>>61019057
Huh?

>>61019057
I don't develop for .net or android. I develop embedded linux systems and MCUs. And there are plenty of games that work well enough to satisfy occaisional gaming urges.

That is a very myopic view of deveplopers I must say.

>>61019154
You can do all android development on linux, it's just .net that's a bit lacking

>>61019154
please stop programming

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>>61019181
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>61019199
Why?

>>61019221
How would stallman look as an anime girl?

I'm searching for a hack to get the currentl played title from mpv for my lemobar autism.
Do I really need to go the socat way or is there a more simple solution?

>>61019294
If mpv has a X window you can use eg `xdotool search mpv getwindowname` to get that. Otherwise I think you will need to use a socket for the json api or slave mode. Or use a plugin I guess, like modify that bundled status-line one.

>>61019294
Write a wrapper script for mpv.
Instead of running mpv with a playlist run the playlist through your script which then calls mpv on each song. Then your script always knows what song is playing.

>>61019543
Why the fuck would you do this instead of just writing a plugin that could handle showing when mpv was paused as well?

>>61019563
Because I don't know how to fucking do that

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https://freeaudiofoundation.bandcamp.com/track/linux-is-a-kernel-a-program-in-a-system

>mfw chromeos plays videos back smoother than any other linux distro

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>>61020044
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

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Anyone know of a way to get thumbnails on your archives? I'd love the coverart/1stimage to be displayed.

Trying to make a script to batch smoothmotion with vapoursynth.

I have this but it wont find any files,it says it cannot find them and errors out.
The command manually runs as expected.

#!/bin/bash
for file in *
do
vspipe --arg in_filename=input.mkv --arg display_fps=60 --y4m $HOME/bin/motioninterpolation -|ffmpeg -i - -crf 11 $file-60
done

End result is throwing a bunch of files in the folder and then running the command to convert them.


Error code

Script evaluation failed:
Python exception: Index: Can't open 'test.mkv'

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "src/cython/vapoursynth.pyx", line 1821, in vapoursynth.vpy_evaluateScript (src/cython/vapoursynth.c:36464)
  File "/home/user/bin/motioninterpolation", line 31, in <module>
    clip = core.ffms2.Source(source=in_filename)
  File "src/cython/vapoursynth.pyx", line 1713, in vapoursynth.Function.__call__ (src/cython/vapoursynth.c:34604)
vapoursynth.Error: Index: Can't open 'test.mkv'

how to use sftp to copy a folder

thanks mr skeltal

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>>61015733
Awesome, great for people who have a job. I like Arch and used it for a long time but when I started working ~50 hours a week, daily updates started to feel like a chore so I switched to Manjaro. Updating twice a month is much better in my case.

>>61018277

>>61020789
Not familiar with vspipe but shouldn't it be `in_filename="$file"`?

Also, you should qoute your other $file use on the output file, just to be sure.

>>61021109
Tried it with both of them quoted and it still returns the same error

how the fuck do I make a headless mpd server using pulse audio stream to multiple users over 127.0.0.1
why the fuck is this impossible

>>61021347
You set mpd to be a system service and have clients connect to it
Check arch wiki

>>61021347
Are you trying to stream using pulse or the mpd builtin server?

>>61021359
that's what I'm trying to do
>>61021422
pulse

>>61013309
There was a strawpoll yesterday asking how old people on this board were. It's worse when you're one of the post 30 people (in the over 26 group they had) wondering why you still come here every day.

>>61021492
Habit.Where the fuck else would i go after 12 years of being on this shitter

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>>61021621
To hell.

>>61021359
yeah see I'm doing

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Music_Player_Daemon/Tips_and_tricks#Local_.28with_separate_mpd_user.29 

and

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Music_Player_Daemon/Tips_and_tricks#Local_.28with_separate_mpd_user.29 

When I try to reset pulseaudio

$ pulseaudio --kill
$ pulseaudio --start -or- start-pulseaudio-x11/kde 

it doesn't work, says it can't start
ncmpcpp doesn't even connect so mpd mus tnot be working either

>>61020884
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSHFS

>>61013522
Use -execdir instead, it's safer.

What is the cookie cutter low spec distro? Basically something on par with Windows 98.

>>61022160
arch

>>61022160
CloverOS

>>61022160
Xandros

>>61022382
legit

Linux noob here, I've got a shitty Acer netbook that's barely used because it struggles with nearly everything Windows 10 throws at it.

1.6ghz, 2gb ram...

I've played around with Ubuntu and Elementary in the past, but only with boot disks. I've never installed a distro and I've never used Linux on a day to day basis.

I think this netbook needs Windows 10 replacing asap though.

Which distro do you think would be best for a noob like me? Most of my use will be shit posting, recording audio in Audacity or equivalent and using Google apps like Docs and Slides.

>>61022420

I should say, I'm doing a little bit of podcasting - I edit everything on my main rig but we record on the opposite side of the city. Thought it would be better to repurpose this netbook gathering dust than use my tech illiterate colleague to share the recordings via gdrive.

>>61022420
Install a distro with XFCE or LXDE as the desktop environment. The two main ones, Gnome and KDE are likely to use more resources via background processes, which would be you main problem on a potato. Beyond that, it is just based on what programs you choose to run because there is generally not much else running that you don't explicitly start.

>there are only a handful of distributions to consider
>only 1 of them is "for beginners"
>idiots still asking "which distribution for my retardedly specific usecase" 20 times a day

I think they just like hearing themselves ask questions.

>>61022820
>Friendly thread.
Rude tbqh

How stable/secure is Fedora?

I love Debian because it's rock solid and well patched, but sometimes I need newer versions of some programs and I don't wanna put my system stability at risk by installing packages from Sid.
Also, I value free software and both Debian and Fedora seem to be good distros for that (even if they have separate non free repos but those are, well, separated).
However, Fedora seems a bit too "cutting edge" to me and I am afraid to try it. How is it compared to Debian really?

>>61016231
https://github.com/yunit-io/yunit

>>61022820
Ubuntu Studio matches those requirements exactly anon.

>>61023061
Eh, not really. I think posting short responses which critisize a post without any supporting rationale are worse. The OP, and many other resources, already pont to materials for beginners. Maybe some midly strong language will get a couple of people to pay attention to the message who wouldn't otherwise?

>>61023151

Ubuntu matches it, not some shitty, unmaintained flavor of Ubuntu that contributes nothing worthwhile. Out of all the official Ubuntu spins, the studio one is probably the shittiest.

thinking of migrating Arch to Parabola
thoughts?

>>61023108
>I value free software and both Debian and Fedora seem to be good distros for that
Do they? Last time I used fedora, it loaded proprietary firmware for my wireless interface without asking. Has that changed?

>>61017956
Out of the two, Xfce.

But I much prefer LXDE, and Fedora's implementation of it is fantastic.

>>61017820
GuixSD
Devuan
Gentoo

When will we get the next Devuan?
Some of these packages are dying, the Java version packaged in the distro is at the end of life and will no longer recieve security updates. And I can't find any status updates or just anything that points to where they are at the moment with Ascii (testing). Is it frozen? Is it still buggy? How much work is put into it, when can we expect it? There's zero information on these things, at least in the official channels.

>>61023199

1. You won't do it regardless of what people tell you
2. You probably aren't even using Arch
3. If you were, you'd know that it's the same, but without certain packages and you can get the same on Arch by removing them and installing the free Linux kernel
4. You're just asking so you can feel cool

>>61023386
i am though
but thats too much work, plus its fsf approved

I've just switched to Linux after years of running Windows with a college dualboot mac phase years ago. I'm running Arch as my primary OS since I figured it was the best distro to actually learn Linux through and I'm running Windows through a VM with PCIe passthroughs for games. It was pretty easy to set up since the Wiki is fucking fantastic.

Quick question. What's a good secondary distro to use as a dualboot recovery option should I fuck something up in Arch?

>>61023449

You don't learn anything on Arch that you can't learn on other distributions.
Having another distribution installed "for recovery" is idiotic. Keep the Arch installation on an USB flash drive to fix things.

>>61023449
*GNU/Linux.

>secondary distro to use as a dualboot recovery option
It' going to be something that you'll only boot into rarely, hopefully once every few months at most. When you do boot it, you might have to install some package that you forgot about or didn't predict you would need. Therefore, you should pick something with a long release lifetime and that is very unlikely to break from installing or upgrading individual packages after long periods of inactivity.

Of course, being a debianist myself, what I'd do is install the current stable and set it to use the release name (stretch) rather than the codeword "stable" - that way, when the current stable becomes oldstable it'll continue to work without needing to upgrade the whole system.

If you follow this line of thought, you shouldn't mount your usual /home partition under /home in this recovery system, because both systems will use very different package versions and some config files may be incompatible. But you probably shouldn't mount your /home in a dedicated recovery system anyway.

>>61023449
Just have a live distro on a usb stick ready for that.

>>61023449
>>61023563
This. Why is this meme so widespread?
I mean, sure, you will understand how to maybe format and mount the partitions yourself or install packages through the command line but other than that it's nothing useful. Arch install is not that complicated or technical, it just makes you do some things without the GUI, like setting the time zone, which is useless when every other distro has a more easy to use options for those in their installer. And if you really want to know how to do it, the process is the same on any distro. Same applies to anything else in the Arch installation process.

I want to install Xubuntu 16.04 on my pc running Ubuntu 16.04. I'd like to completley remove Unity as well in order to prevent future pollution or slow downs. I've found these instructions here: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/alternative

is this guy reliable?

>>61024142
Back up your home partition and do a fresh install

>>61024151
fresh install from bootable USB drive?
what's the risk of installing xubuntu through the terminal like that guy suggests?

>>61024025
it''s because you are forced to learn, people dont really learn that much without being forced unless they are really motivated.

>>61024142

Having packages on your computer you don't use doesn't cause any slowdowns.

>>61024173

Install the Ubuntu net-installer and choose Xfce as your desktop environment.

>>61024200
But if you install a distro for the sole purpose of learning the system, you can learn the same things on Debian. Just keep using it, and search the internet for answers, like: how do I mount my phone? how do I connect with ssh? how do I change the clock? how to update packages?
The answers will be the same, and you don't benefit by installing Arch. If anything you will have a system more prone to crashing and breaking.

>>61024466
there are people that if are not forced to learn, they don't.
it's about motivation and laziness, if your music player is not playing any sound you will be more willing to learn how the fuck alsa & pulseaudio works son you can fix it.

>The answers will be the same
ya they will most likely all be from the arch wiki which is why you would benefit from arch install

>>61024423
>Install the Ubuntu net-installer and choose Xfce as your desktop environment.
this sounds a good idea, especially because a colleague and I need to install Xubuntu 16.04 on 20 different computers in our school tomorrow.

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So, how the hell do fonts work on this shit?

I've been rocking a nerd font for a while now, defined in my xresources for my terminal.
Now I decided to give Polybar a spin, and ofcourse, it should use the same font.
Then could someone please explain why the hell I get these errors, even though it works fine in my terminal?

I tried checking it with gucharmap, but that also claims the character doesn't exist/is empty.

what epub reader you guys recommend for manjaro ?

>>61025379
Calibre.

what's the GNU way to make graphics? I need to make diagrams for neural networks and things, in a way cleaner than using GIMP unless i don't know something about GIMP that i should

>>61025511
maybe check out dia?

>>61025561
thanks, looks good, downloading it

>>61025511
Krita is fantastic, blows everything else out of the water.

>>61025591
you could use inkscape too, but that's more general vector stuff.

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Simple question: I am going to install debian in a thinkpad with a 16Gb SSD and a 500Gb HDD. I want to install /, /boot and /usr in the SSD, /usr/local, /var, /temp and /home in the HDD.

Anyone knows a good manual or youtube video to follow in order to do this?

God bless software libre projects that provide distro independent binaries on their website.
thanks blender people.

>>61025659
tha's acutally p simple to do.
which distro are you going to install?

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>>61025659
if you are installing some disto that has a installer, just create every partition with the installer and put the mount points manually.
if you are installing a distro without an installer, you are going to need to edit fstab, pic realated.

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>>61025681
>>61025712

C'mon, I said "debian" right at the beginning!

>>61025737
well, it's early.
anyway, I've done this exact same setup with the debian installer.
it should be pretty straightforward.

>>61024893
>>61024524

I'm still insecure about install Arch Linux, but since I'm really need learn how GNU/Linux works and how I can solve problems on him by myself I think Arch Linux suites me well. Also, I'm curious as fuck and really into the idea of a system that suit my needs.

I have experience with Ubuntu, Mint and Slackware and few other distros already, but after those years I started had that feel about "that should work better if work this way". I hope have fun with Arch Linux.

>>61026080

You're an idiot.
Everything you can do and "learn" on Arch can be learned on other distributions. You can "do a system that suits your needs" on other distributions as well.

You claim to have years of experience with distributions, but you fail to grasp something normal people realize after a short while.

>>61026080
arch is not really that much flexible.

>>61025659
>Anyone knows a good manual or youtube video to follow in order to do this?

Nobody needs or should use Pajeet youtube """""""""tutorials""""""""""""""""""" for anything, especially something this simple.

sda - SSD
sda1 - primary, ext2, 512M, /boot
sda2 - primary, ext4, 2-4GB, /
sda3 - extended partition
sda5 - logical, ext4, rest of the drive, /usr (remember this if you want to use /usr/src !)
!! remember to enable trimming for all of the ssd drives!!
sdb - hard disk
sdb1 - extended
sdb5 - logical, ext4, size you need, /usr/local
sdb6 - logical, ext4, size you need, /var
sdb7 - logical, ext4, size you need, /tmp
sdb8 - logical, ext4, rest of the drive, /home

I still dont understand why solus has a new package manager that does nothing innovative.

>>61026080
slackware is more advanced than arch

Fuck I hate JACK, piece of shit never works and I rather use ALSA than JACK.

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>>61027929
dear, you just don't know how to use it.
what are you trying to do?

>>61028002
Absolutely no sound when I use JACK. An application that uses JACK will either give me an error or if it works there won't be any sound.

>>61028020
by default most apps that use jack dont automatically connect to the outputs, so you need to do that with qjackctl.

>>61028062
>qjackctl.
>not calling it hijack-output or something related
Such a wasted fucking opportunity

>>61028062
>>61028199
Well, now JACK is working like it should. My guess is that were was some kind of conflict between JACK and ALSA or something like that. Anyways, now that I know it does work I need to learn how to use JACK better.

Is there a way to set up a server so whenever I log into my linux machine it would download all my home directory stuff and all my settings from the server so I can have multiple desktop systems but with synced personal stuff?

>>61028234
JACK & pulseaudio get really funky is they are both running at the same time.

>>61028234
in linux every sound pass through alsa, JACK and pulseaudio both sits on top of alsa, so jack is not conflicting with alsa, probably with pulseaudio.

>trying to git gut at emacs
>M-x package-list-packages
>C-s scroll
>few C-s's later
>spot "smooth-scroll" package
>install
>"to toggle smooth scrolling, type: 'M-x smooth-scroll-mode RET'"
>M-x smoo TAB
>[No match]
How do I packages with emacs? The package readme mentioned something about adding "(require 'smooth-scroll)" to .emacs, but that doesn't work so I assume package.el does it for me (since it was under "Installing" section).

Is there any value in swtiching from Pulseaudio to jack? Ideally I'd like to de-poetterize my system but I have no clue whether it's actually worth it since pulseaudio isn't as cancerous as systemd YET.

Ive read that latency in JACK heavily relies on the cpu and the soundcard. I have a pretty old system am I going to introduce problems?

>>61029554
I just noticed
>Status: obsolete
Duh.

>>61029899
>YET
it was so fucking buggy and shit, literally shit a few years ago, now it's ok, if it's working fine for you don't worry about it.

>>61029956
I'm aware of the janky pulseaudio adoption in Ubuntu that made everyone hostile to it but I was referring to pulseaudio is benign compared to systemd when it comes to encroaching on every piece of software it comes across

>>61029999
>pulseaudio is benign compared to systemd when it comes to encroaching on every piece of software it comes across
Haven't heard the news about firefox, I take it?

Anyway, do you actually need an additional layer on top of alsa? If you do, then I guess you should stick with what works for now as the other anon said.

>>61030075
>Haven't heard the news about firefox, I take it?
I did. I recently gave up on Firefox (after few months of switching between FF and Palemoon) and the fact that I use an old system greatly contributed to it.
Allegedly de-botnetized version of Chromium called Iridium works wonderfully. I still miss customizability of Firefox (Tree Style tabs for Chromium would be bliss) but I can straight from my heart say that the quality of my life improved a lot.

I wish that one day I'll be comfortable with using weird hax0r shit like uzbl or vimb without castrating myself.

>>61029999
some time ago I though about replacing pulseaudio with jack (since I have to use jack anyway) but after trying and analyzing some stuff I've concluded that they only real advantage of that setup would be "no pulseaudio" and since it was already working fine, it wasn't worth the effort.

>>61030075
Besides, I don't think it's news for anyone. Firefox sucked redhat cock for a long time. It's been around for over a decade and there was never any attempt from mozilla to accomodate Qt-based desktop users, which minority or not are still a portion of GNU/Linux and I suspect *BSD users as well. It's ridiculous that a locked-up product like Chromium accomodates different GNU/Linux users better than Firefox, filepicker being the greatest and most controversial example, my Chromium uses GTK2 filepicker as I desired, but installed on a KDE desktop it will use the vastly superior Kdialog instead of the abomination spawned by gnome3.

I am running ubuntu on my desktop and it's making my the fan of my ancient amd 6770 go crazy. Any ideas how to fix it?

>>61030392
get rid of ubuntu and install gentoo

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Another Arch update, another broken shit.

Updated Arch today... qemu and mpd are both broken. some library package fucked them both.

Arch is the biggest meme piece of shit I ever fell for. Some shit is always broken.

>>61030930
told you.

>>61030930

Works on my machine (tm)

>>61031137
that's coz you don't have mpd. it's actually broken on all arch installs due to libnfs change.

>>61031160

Working fine 0.20.9-2 from the repository.
I also use a custom, tweaked version with disabled features I don't need usually.

Works on my machine (tm).

>>61031202
>custom shit
so you're basically not even using the official shit from the community repo. so shut the fuck up. even the cursory look on Arch forum shows mpd is broken.

>>61031234

Don't you know how to read? I just installed the latest version from the repository and it works.
You're so stupid you're basically bragging about being an idiot and not knowing how things work. But I didn't expect anything else from someone who uses the word meme to describe things.

Awww, please don't change distributions! They need you! You're so important!
Kill yourself.

>>61030930
install gentoo

Can some graybeard ITT give me some insight?

Were GNU/Linux distribution-specific forums always so fucking shit or did they just become garbage in the last 2-3 years I'm actually using the system?
I'm aware that I might have a skewed perception of how an internet forum should look like, as a kid my father sat with me and literally showed me how I should behave when I'm online so all these unwritten rules of "not wasting everyone's time" are second nature for me.
But I often find myself jaw-on-the-floor that in 2017 people come to a not-very-mainstream place that obviously a distribution-support-forum is and are completely unaware of basic rules like making coherent fucking sentences, descriptive thread subjects and providing as much information as possible instead of "it worky but no worky worky now wat do" I'm dead serious, I would expect this stuff from a dumbass teenager videogame forum, not this.

What gives?

I recently came across a thread where some idiot was asking for a small image of a GNU/Linux distribution so he could install on a fucking mobile version of TRS-80 with 16K of RAM.

>>61031160
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
arch is great, all those ricers with mpd broken now.

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>>61031355
>GNU/Linux
it's just Linux you fucking autist. Or maybe RedHat/Linux since VAST MAJORITY of packages are made by RH. GNU makes <10% of most common Linux packages.

Install MacOS

>>61031480
delet this

>>61031469
>what is glibc

>>61031500
>implying the libc is 90% of the system

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>>61031534
all the software that you have installed sans a few things depends on it, the only other thing so ubiquitous is the kernel itself.

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>>61031500
retarded Stallman cocksucker cultists are the fucking worst.

that autistic lazy fat fuck failed at making the OS and kernel so now he's trying to steal it from someone else.

>>61031610
>what are musl, uclibc, bionic, and other glibc replacements

>>61031634
yeah, and those system arent gnu/linux.
>>61031620
I dont insist in calling linux gnu/linux, but it's a fact that glibc & gnu core utils are an integral part of like every distro, apache, firefox, xorg, etc are not.
without a libc you literally do nothing.

>>61031676
>"I don't insist on calling linux gnu/linux"
>argues that glibc makes linux gnu/linux
k tard

Is there a way to queue commands in xfce4-terminal (or any other teminal)? Often I'll be downloading some youtube videos with youtube-dl, then find a couple other videos that I also want to download, but I want the downloads to start after the first set is finished.

>>61031469
>>61031620
d'aawwwww little baby got triggered, you want a cookie?

>>61031620
>counting GNOME (GNU Network Object Model Environment) separate from GNU to fit your agenda
GNU gives a collective 13% of Ubuntu's code, 4% more than the kernel.

GNU/Linux fucking confirmed.
Stallman right as usual.
Paid redhat cries irreversibly blown the fuck out.
Screencap this.

>>61031717
put && between commands. Double ampersand means "run second command if previous succeeded"

>>61031855
You misunderstand.
a) I know that && means "run next command if previous exited with success status"
b) that would be pointless since youtube-dl downloads a list of URLs sequentially anyway.

What I want to know is whether it is possible to queue the next command WHILE ONE IS CURRENTLY RUNNING

>>61031837
>implying LOC is a good measurement of importance
>implying half of that GNU software is even used
top fucking kek

>>61031884
you could make a script that watch the process (you could get the pid just searching all the process that have 'youtube-dl') and execute your command if/when that process dies.

>>61031951
Then I would still have to open another terminal window. I want to stay within the same one.

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>>61031937

>>61031973
No you want. Ctrl+Z to pause the current download, run the script in the background and resume

>>61031973
press Ctrl-z

>>61031996
>>61032005
Thank you.

>>61031996
>>61031973
Ctrl-z does not pause the download, it just put youtube-dl on the background, it's still downloading.

>>61032032
CTRL+Z stops a currently running job.

>>61031837
That still means that 87% is non-GNU

>>61032032
Ctrl+z stops the job. running "bg" resumes the currently stopped job in the background, as opposed to "fg" which brings it back.

>>61032164
>bg
that's great.

>>61032194
Yeah. If you want a list of currently running jobs just type "jobs"

Recently, I've been having a problem with i3. Sometimes, when I close mpv, or when I quickly exit and re-enter fullscreen mode in mpv, the screen seems to "freeze". By that I mean, when I switch to a different workspace, open windows, close windows, mark text, ... whatever, there is no visual indication of anything happening. The only thing that still does anything visually is the mouse cursor: I can move it and when I switch to a workspace with windows in which I can mark text, the cursor will change when I hover over where the text should be.
I can switch to other TTYs and use them but switching back to TTY7 I only get the frozen screen. Killing mpv and i3 didn't help anything; so far the only way I could go back to normal operation was rebooting. Any idea what it could be and how to fix it?
Xubuntu 14.04.5, mpv 0.25.0-44-ge2b9551 (built from source in early May), i3 4.7.2

>>61032272
are you using a compositor?

>>61032315
Compton. I just found that bit in the Arch wiki, let's hope that solves it.

>GNU/Linux
Sure, let's credit those fuckers when anyone with half a brain and K&R could have written most of those programs. I like gcc, but RMS can fuck off.

>>61032399
Took you long enough lol

>learn about intel gvt
>get excited about using my botnet igpu to run windows VMs with acceptable performance
>apparently you can only access the guest through a remote desktop protocol
thanks intel

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Let's say I want to rip images from a certain cafe hosting non animated chinese cartoon porn comics, how would I attack this? I have a wget function that used to work on 4chin, but gook moving servers fucked with it. I guess I could use wget or maybe use something like Python?

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WTF I cant get debian to install?
First I got an error saying:
>Your installation CD-ROM could not be mounted.
I managed to get around that somehow, set up accounts and shit, now I'm getting this:
>Debootstrap Error: Failed to determine the codename for the release

I think it might be related to not being able to connect to internet and so to a debian mirror.
I can't though because the installer doesn't support WPA2-Enterprise and thats the only connection I have avaliable.
I am using 2,5gb live iso though, not a netinst, so this shit really shouldn't be happening.

What do I do?

>>61031469
> VAST MAJORITY of packages are made by RH
Yeah, packages for the GNU operating system.

>>61032887
>I can't though because the installer doesn't support WPA2-Enterprise and thats the only connection I have avaliable.
Read this: https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation

>>61033164
I dont use gnu or glibc.
I dont use gnu tools

>>61033176
It's not due to lack of firmware that I can't connect to WPA2-Enterprise. I've tried it with nonfree iso already. The installer simply does not support that complex network configuration. I could probably load the shell and configure it manually, but at that point I might as well install arch or some shit.

>>61033254
>install arch
:)

>>61033254
>install arch
do

what OS for eeepc 701? arch is booting me

>>61028247
It's called a remote filesystem. The default one is nfs but there are a bunch of others.

>>61034167
I've used debian on my 4G since forever ago. It works fine except for fucking disk space.

>>61034388
fuck maybe ill go back to that. i was very comfy with arch. i cant seem to get crunchbang going, youve convinced me to just build from debian, netinstall i guess

>>61012757
Fuck systemd.

Fuck you.

Now, back to testing you sister's oral skills.

>>61034425
as if.

since lxde uses openbox, can i just install an lxde iso and then delete lxde? will openbox run by default then

>>61034562
Why? See if your distro offers some sort of netinstall or minimal iso and install openbox yourself.

is linux-hardened really a replacement for grsec/pax?

So how does the streaming with mpv work? Does it save a copy of the video on the drive like youtube-dl does?

>>61034810
It streams
>youtube-dl
>dl
>dl
>DL

>>61034810
it has a cache.

>>61034820
>>61034823
Is youtube-dl even needed for mpv streaming? Why are they used together?

>>61034883
yes, it's needed.

>>61034883
>Is youtube-dl even needed for mpv streaming?
((no))

>>61034910
Actually, even though that mpv doesn't download the video it still is required for youtube playback

>>61034942
mpv can do http/s streaming with only gnutls or ssl, just not yt and similar sites

Where does mpv store its stream cache?

>>61035017
>doesn't check the directory that is specifically made for those sort of files
i'm worried about the future of /g/

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The AK-47 of operating systems.

>>61035068
I think you mean noose.

>>61035066
I checked .cache and found nothing for mpv

>>61035068
Hipsters use AR's

how can I use purge to totally remove all of pulseaudio

>>61035117
which distro

Can someone friendly anon please create a new thread?

I wanna make a fresh install of Fedora GNU/Linux, because I tried fixing some shit and I think I made it worse. However, I wanna store my KDE setup so that I don't need to alter everything afterwards.

What files should I be looking out for? Where are they located? I'm still learning, and I'm sure this is something that everyone knows wheras I just never got the full story.

I also heard someone giving the advice of storing my configs and rc files in github. I guess I would have to learn git somewhat before that, but does anyone have any pointers?

>>61035282
Also, does anyone know how to fix boot/shutdown issues on a MacBook Pro retina? It's driving me nuts, and it has to have affected someone else than me.

>>61035293
install macos lol

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Recommend me a laptop with dedicated nvidia gpu of 960 or higher that will be compatible with most distros.
I have an ASUS K501UX and the wireless never works at boot. You need to go to sleep mode, wake it, then toggle airplane mode.
Also DPI scaling in most distros I've tried are pretty awful on this 13" 4k screen.

Any gentoo experts here? I have installed the base system, everyting works great except for network access. My wifi card takes rtl8723ae and I have installed that driver when I did my kernel, but it does not show up after I reboot. I have tried modprobing it to no avail. I have googled this for hours and tried all the solutions and nothing fixes it.
Getting logs would be impossible, because the ethernet driver isnt working either, but I can take pictures of my screen.

>>61035648
>rtl8723ae
do you have wpa_supplicant installed?

>>61035529
Already have it installed, I dual boot.

>>61035672
yup.

>>61035648
>rtl
do you have linux-firmware installed?

>>61035648
What doesn't show up, the driver (module, firmware, what?), the device (what does lspci say?), the interface?

>>61035704
>>61035719
try making it permanent in modprobe
try checking to make sure it's not in rfkill list

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>>61035715
Im pretty sure I installed it, is there a way to check? Im like 99% sure I did.
>>61035719
Sorry I wasnt being too specific, the interfaces for my wireless and ethernet dont show up with ifconfig -a, ip, etc

pic related is lspci

>>61035785
if everything is installed do you have anything managing the interfaces? If not you'll need to start one of them and manually connect to something.

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>>61035751
I dont have rfkill installed, for some reason my wifi works on the minimal install so ill emerge it.
Hopefully this is how you make it permanent?

>>61035815
If you mean something like NetworkManager or Wicd, they wouldnt emerge when I tried. Ill try again and see why they didnt.

>>61035848
>>61035870
>emerge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4uSTdJo4zk

hope this helps

In NixOS I just made my first override of package installation attributes, and watched it get compiled from source instead of downloaded

This distro is fucking awesome. Apparently you can patch source code this way as well

>>61036036
Arch Linux has this. It was the ABS now it's some other thing

>>61036086
What's your point? Gentoo is even better than both in this regard (as far as I can tell, but still new to NixOS).

NixOS is a completely declarative OS, which makes it very interesting that it has this level of flexibility.

>>61035149
ubduntu

>>61036110
my point is there isn't anything unique about it.

>>61036144
You clearly don't know what NixOS is at all. I recommend you look it up, it's pretty neat.

>>61036036

I think nixos is great, but it make everything so much more complex (as opposed to the 'simple' unix way).

sure is nice to have a declarative os so you can rollback whenever, but is it really worth it on a desktop?

also opensuse has all the benefits of the 'rollback when something breaks' with btrfs snapthshots without all that complexity.

>>61035815
NetworkManager wouldnt install, wicd did but is sptting errors, could it suffice with dhcpcd and wpa supplicant?

>>61036170
Wow, a recommendation from anon, that's massive!

why is gentoo so memed? is it actually good for the regular user?

>>61036233
I actually don't think it's that complex at all.

If you're looking for a good example of complexity just ask yourself why we really have a thousand different package repositories, and why maintainers of GNU/Linux distros are constantly reinventing the wheel every day redoing the same work packaging up the same things that others have already packaged.

It's because of the complexity added by shared libraries. All NixOS does is make packages link directly to exact versions of shared libraries (this is its biggest, and oddly enough least advertised, upside), make the package directories read-only so nothing can modify them, and make it all reproducible through its scripting language that describes how it should all be set up.

>is it really worth it on a desktop?
It will be when all I have to do is copy over a config file to a new machine to produce an identical environment, and when my install becomes 10+ years old and I never have to worry that it picks up any cruft whatsoever because it'll be completely identical every day to what it would be if I did a fresh install.

>>61036330
> to produce an identical environment
>when my install becomes 10+ years old

that's the thing, that is something that would be a must on server, reproducible builds and all that, so the added complexity of Nixis worth it because it actually make those system less complex.

What I fail to see is, does Nix reduce the complexity on a desktop use case? reproducible builds are not a concern on a desktop, so you dont gain much and now have to declare your os.

>>61036392
I don't see why not. I mean, all I do to install something new is open the main config file and add the program to the list and rebuild.

and now that I think about it it actually does make some things more simple. Take for example fontconfig. You just go to the NixOS website and search all the package options under fontconfig and you get a big list of everything.
Saves you way more time than randomly googling documentation or tutorials on how to set up fonts just to even figure out what options are available, or setting it all up and finding out that DejaVu is somehow still fucking overriding everything you do no matter how many things you try like on other distros.
I could see someone making a GUI for it one day, if it continues to grow in popularity.

It's not really that difficult. But then again, I am probably an autist and the idea of having a super clean shiny environment all the time makes me feel warm and cozy inside.

New threads are overrated.

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