Inside the rehab saving young men from their internet addiction...

This doesn't even sound like internet addiction, it's a complete lack of self-control.
If it was any other era, he would have gotten addicted to something else.

>>60928148
>This doesn't even sound like internet addiction, it's a complete lack of self-control.
But it is addiction, and they need help

>>60928119
>texts to ex-girlfriends
>had sex with a lap dancer
fucking normies, get on my level

>>60928119
Low IQs have never in the history of Earth been able to moderate dopamine-rich activities. Give one a meth pipe and see what happens.

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>>60928235
It's not a matter of IQ, addiction cuts across the spectrum. I would wager you including many people surfing 4chan are addicted online pornography without knowing about it and masturbate on a regular basis thinking it's normal.

http://yourbrainonporn.com/

>>60928235
Even intelligent people are susceptible to activities that chemically addict you.
25% of people who try heroin will become addicted.

I generally stick to alcohol, which has unpleasant enough side affects (for my body) that I will drink moderately for a week or two, then quit for a few weeks.

>>60928277
Not sure what this constitutes, but I generally don't look at porn as long as I'm sexually involved with someone. After a few days of no sex, I get real fuckin horny and need to pound one out.

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>>60928337
>After a few days of no sex, I get real fuckin horny and need to pound one out.
You don't need to because your body has a natural mechanism via nocturnal emission.

PMO stands for (Porn-Masturbation-Orgasm). PMO addiction is a trio, but you can be addicted to one component as well. Many people start recovery by dropping pornography addiction, but are still addicted to the MO part for a long time until they fully recover.

Just so people know, I've been PMO-free for a few years now with no side effects.

>>60928416
do you have a girlfriend, though?

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>>60928729
Yes, but that's not the reason why I quit porn/PMO. In fact, I didn't have a girlfriend for a long time. However, I believe if I still had PMO addiction at the time, I probably wouldn't have gotten her because I would just 'go to town' instead of having the guts to ask her out.

>>60928794
how old were you when you stopped/got a girlfriend?

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>>60928277
>that "porn is evil" shit
>>>/pol/

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>>60928836
You can stop porn addiction any time. I don't think my age matters, if I give out my timeline, then that will encourage others to think "I'll just wait until I turn X years old" or "It's too late, I might as well give up." I read many stories online before I went on journey to quit my PMO addiction and was able to successfully reboot. Back then, I watched porn on a daily basis and masturbated multiple times a day, I thought it was part of my life and couldn't fathom how I would quit it. Well, here I am, free from porn.


“The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.”
– Chinese Proverb

>>60928416
Oh fuck it's this guy again.

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>>60928888
Porn addiction is not politically incorrect

>>60928935
good answer

though i'm not convinced there's something to gain from not fapping every so often

>>60928888
>i dont agree with something
>instead of thinking why i dont agree, i send them to /pol/

Well memed sir. Keep consuming porn and never look back.

>>60928993
Ah yes, the Jews are trying to subliminally cause addiction to porn on a Chinese cartoon forum in order to destroy western society. How did I not see it?

>>60928794
I thought about quitting porn but after a few days, I started finding chicks I would have never found attractive to be attractive. Suddenly I could see that there were enough attractive features to make them worth fucking and that when I went back to porn.

I'm not about to fuck everything that moves just to get off. Maybe when I get married I'll stop but until then, jerking it keeps me sane and logical.

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>>60929002
The problem is porn is becoming ubiquitous and the technolo/g/y is advancing at such a pace that PMO addiction will become even more intense and harder to break from. When I was addicted to online porn, it was HD porn. Nowadays, we have 4k 60fps porn and they're working on technology for VR/AR porn. I really fear for the future generation of men.

Point is, men have a right to know about the downsides of porn addiction. Many guys go through life thinking it's normal to visually see thousands of women in sexual poses and daily masturbation. Actually, it's not normal from the point of human history. If you read ancient manuscripts and texts, they talk about how to deal with men who have had nocturnal emissions. It's very telling because I never had nocturnal emissions until I gave up PMO addiction.

>>60928935
>look at porn for 10 or 20 minutes a day
>go on with my life
Tell me how I'm destroying my life. Amuse me.

Does PMO explain why people turn gay after being on this site for many years?

I don't say this often, but fuck off shill. No one cares about your shitty porn is ebil!! rehab program. Kill yourself.

>>60928935
If I fap two times a week am I ok?

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>>60929080
>jerking it keeps me sane and logical
What you went through is temporary and in fact you were going through the rebooting process. Every PMO addicted guy (i.e. all guys) experience this.

Also, it is a logical fallacy to think it keeps you "sane and logical." In fact, you are "docile and weak" and fact is, if you need to look at porn, you are addicted to porn. I don't need to look at porn, I don't masturbate. I haven't PMO'd for years now and I'm doing completely fine.

Now I will say though, now that I managed to 1) get a girlfriend and 2) have a girlfriend. I really appreciate her whenever I'm around with her. I don't think I'll have that same amount of dopamine release if I was addicted to PMO. Anyways, it was good you attempted to break free of your PMO addiction and it is very difficult the first few phases, but be strong and you can do it. If I can do it, then certainly can you.

You can read more here https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/reboot_your_brain

>>60929110
Yes, the kikes are using it to degenerate western society until its eventual collapse.

>>60929084
that doesn't explain anything
also, 99% of my porn is still images and text

>>60929150
You realize you're convincing exactly 0 people to quit watching porn?

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>>60929092
First, porn addiction != porn binging. Another common logical fallacy. They are entirely separate things. If you need to look at porn, you are addicted to porn. Period. Admitting you are an addict is the first step to recovery.

>Tell me how I'm destroying my life.
Here are studies linking porn use or porn/sex addiction to sexual dysfunctions, lower arousal, and lower sexual & relationship satisfaction
https://yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationships-between-porn-use-or-porn-addictionsex-addiction-and-sexual

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>>60929110
Yes, that's called HOCD. Pic related. Point #4.

>>60929206
Wow, I'm suffering from none of those. Impressive.

>>60929084
>>60929150
>>60929206
>>>/pol/
I'm sure they'll gobble that shit up. Tell them the Jews are trying to get you addicted.

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>>60929149
>If I fap two times a week am I ok?
No. Again, PMO addiction != PMO binging. If you need to PMO, then you have PMO addiction. You don't need to masturbate because your body naturally self-regulates through nocturnal emissions.

>>60929206
im conditioned to pee every time i hop in and turn the shower head on

>implying you don't pee in the shower

fucking liar

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>>60929156
It's hard to say in your specific case because I don't know you. Point being, PMO addiction is an addiction which implies adverse changes in your neurological pathways. Restoring your brain to its natural balance is the desired end goal here.

Fuck, it's the "porn is evil" guy again.

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>>60929204
Once upon a time, there was an old man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach every morning before he began his work. Early one morning, he was walking along the shore after a big storm had passed and found the vast beach littered with starfish as far as the eye could see, stretching in both directions.

Off in the distance, the old man noticed a small boy approaching. As the boy walked, he paused every so often and as he grew closer, the man could see that he was occasionally bending down to pick up an object and throw it into the sea. The boy came closer still and the man called out, “Good morning! May I ask what it is that you are doing?”

The young boy paused, looked up, and replied “Throwing starfish into the ocean. The tide has washed them up onto the beach and they can’t return to the sea by themselves,” the youth replied. “When the sun gets high, they will die, unless I throw them back into the water.”

The old man replied, “But there must be tens of thousands of starfish on this beach. I’m afraid you won’t really be able to make much of a difference.”

The boy bent down, picked up yet another starfish and threw it as far as he could into the ocean. Then he turned, smiled and said, “It made a difference to that one!”

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>>60929236
If you need to look at porn and masturbate, then by definition you have PMO addiction

>>60929321
So deep. You spend more time shitposting on 4chan than your average guy spends whacking it to porn. Somehow, they're the ones ruining their life though. I think you've got a shitposting addiction.

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>>60929258
It's not 'The Jews' it's basic human instinct and we as a society have been going on auto-pilot in this thing for a while now without pausing to think perhaps consuming all this porn and ejaculating everywhere every time is not such a great thing.

My point is, men have a right to know about PMO addiction and yes, they can break free from PMO addiction.

>>60929340
Damn, hitting me with the fancy acronyms. When you put it like that, I must be afflicted with some terrible addiction. I need to change. I was under the illusion I was actually enjoying my successful life up until now.

VR/AR will make this much worse by allowing electronics abusers to live in virtual dream lands avoiding the responsibility of becoming fathers and making a future for white children.

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>>60929265
I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. Can you rephrase? PMO addiction is a real problem that hits the primitive part of your brain. This is what distinguishes it from video game addiction, because video games don't activate the primitive part of our brain while online pornography does. That is why PMO addiction is a cause for concern.

>>60929206
i wouldn't even recognize if i had a problem with any of those things, i'm a virgin

>>60929302
you keep saying natural this, natural that, as if i'm supposed to know what that means
it's like seeing "natural" on food products, why does it even matter? how is this objectively better than the others?

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>>60929237
Can't you just leave?

>>60929416
It's your standard empty appeal to nature.

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>>60929312
This is not a morale crusade.

Men have a right to know about PMO addiction and the changes in brain it causes. PMO addiction cuts across the spectrum and there are many scientific and academic studies that prove PMO addiction to many ailments that men are currently going through today https://yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationships-between-porn-use-or-porn-addictionsex-addiction-and-sexual

Now perhaps you don't think these apply to you, but you are still PMO addicted if you need to stimulate yourself by watching porn and masturbating. You don't need to do these things, that is my point, but many men go through life on auto-pilot thinking that it's the way it is. Well it's not and I'm here to tell you my own life story that I completely gave up PMO years ago and I don't watch porn nor masturbate at all.

>>60929448
if we stuck wholly to "nature", we wouldn't even have technology, what this board is supposed to be about

>>60929453
>you don't know you have a problem but you do, so listen to what I'm saying and live how I want you to
lol

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>>60929453

>>60929204
He convinced me.

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>>60929358
Ad hominem attack, "this guy has an addiction, we cannot trust him." I'm a computer programmer by trade, so naturally I would visit here time to time. Yet, this is probably the second or third time I've posted during my length of visitation.

I understand if you think I'm here accusing others and talking down on others but that isn't my goal. My goal is to inform others and it is their decision to quit.

I see all those graphs posted in here but WHAT DO THEY MEAN?
What is the point that is trying to be made here?

>>60928794
>"do you have a girlfriend"
>"yes"
>>60928836
>believing him

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>>60929395
PMO stands for Porn, Masturbation, Orgasm. It's important to talk about PMO addiction rather than "porn addiction." Because quitting porn isn't going to help if you're still masturbating and orgasming from said masturbation.

It's really not a fancy term at all and I'm not trying to confuse you. But it's important to pinpoint this so you can successfully start on the road to treatment.

You can read more here https://yourbrainonporn.com/doing-what-you-evolved-to-do

>>60929524
They're just sourceless MS Paint graphs made to influence gullible retards.

>>60929533
You've convinced me I'm going to stop.

>>60929237
Kill yourself.

>>60929453
>This is not a morale crusade.
that is a lie

this also isn't technology

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>>60929401
Again, PMO addiction cuts across the spectrum. I read of a professional swimmer who said he could've made it to the Olympics if it weren't for his PMO addiction at such a young age. PMO addiction cuts across ethnicities as well. Arguable, PMO addiction started with Japanese males with the 'Hikikiormori' phenomenon and it is affecting men in the West.

>>60929559
>>60929557
Stop replying to him. The more attention you give him the more he posts.

>>60929533
I didn't say you're confusing me, so I wonder about your reading comprehension. I'm not changing myself because some random guy on the internet said I'm actually not enjoying my life.

>>60929573
Stop giving him (You)'s.

>>60929560
Yeah, I would've been the next Einstein if it wasn't for porn. You can quote me in your next powerpoint slide.

>>60929596
See
>>60929585

>>60929560
I fap to hentai once a week, will I be ok?

Only vanilla hentai, No fick Uped shit.

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>>60929416
>it's like seeing "natural" on food products, why does it even matter? how is this objectively better than the others?
Because you are causing rewirings in your brain that pertains to your primitive sexual system. Read this for example: https://yourbrainonporn.com/doing-what-you-evolved-to-do

I understand this "appeal to nature" which is a logical fallacy but calling a spade a spade is not an "appeal to nature" since there are multiple scientific studies to back-up how PMO addiction causes many problems in men. Even if they are in denial.

Also, in many cases, it is difficult to self-diagnose and many cases you don't think you have a problem until you are fully healed. Take my case for example, I thought I was 'shy around girls' until I quit PMO and then it became easier to ask girls out. Of course it's a vast over-simplification, but I hope you understand my point.

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>>60929570
did someone say desu? i think i heard someone say desu.

>>60929613
see
>>60929585
>>60929570
see
>>60929613

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>>60929448
Not an 'appeal to nature' fallacy because if you were to withdraw yourself from PMO (porn, masturbation, orgasm), then you would experience withdrawal symptoms. You would experience for yourself that this is not a logical fallacy but a real problem endemic to modern society and we need to have an open discussion about this.

As of 2016, more than a quarter of porn users surveyed are showing signs of problematic porn use. In one study, (27.6%) of a large French-speaking sample self-assessed their consumption of OSAs as problematic. In a Yale study of 1298 men who had viewed pornography in the last 6 months, 28% scored at or above the cutoff for hypersexuality disorder. So, clearly cracks are appearing in today's porn users. However, people arrive here with lots of different symptoms, which they're not always sure are due to their heavy porn use.

Confusion is understandable because the symptoms look so different:

Distress about escalation to more extreme porn
Difficulty maintaining an erection while putting on a condom
Delayed ejaculation
Loss of libido
Copulatory impotence (can get it up for porn, but not partners)
Frequent masturbation, little satisfaction
Uncharacteristic, worsening social anxiety or lack of confidence
Growing erectile dysfunction, even with extreme porn.
Morphing porn tastes that don't match sexual orientation (also triggering HOCD)
Inability to concentrate, extreme restlessness
Depression, anxiety, brain fog

https://yourbrainonporn.com/doing-what-you-evolved-to-do

>>60928148
>This doesn't even sound like heroin addiction, it's a complete lack of self-control.
Yes.

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>>60929472
Strawman argument fallacy and it's important to stay on the topic at hand. PMO addiction is different from video game addiction since video games don't activate the core parts of your brain that PMO sexual stimulation does.

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>>60929524
Those graphs come from here, take some time to go through this.

Your Brain on Porn: How Internet porn affects the brain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oFVOJf0TzY

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he just keeps on going.. as if he's... addicted to it

I quickly skimmed the site and it seems to be pretty informative and it actually explains why I can't get aroused by almost anything anymore.

I wouldn't give up my fetish for anything BUT I'm also interested into going back to being aroused by it like the old days and having those epic faps from my teen days, so I'll try this rebooting thing and see if it actually helps

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>>60929479
I apologize if I seem condescending, but PMO addiction is a real issue that (as you can perhaps tell) I am passionate about. Men have a right to know. At the end of the day, I'm here to deliver you a message. It's up to you to accept it or not.

Wait nevermind

all those guides about rebooting assume I have a partner

what do

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>>60929549
No, it's from this YouTube, watch it if you have time:

Your Brain on Porn: How Internet porn affects the brain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oFVOJf0TzY

Also, I'm not trying to take advantage of "gullible retards" because I'm not selling them anything, just giving them information that will help them. The only gullible people are the ones who think they don't have PMO addiction yet they insist on watching "a little bit" of porn (really, how can we know, how little is too little?) and masturbate on a daily basis. That is not natural. Go read the ancient manuscripts, how they lived in those days. There's a certain ritual men who have nocturnal emissions have to strip all their clothes and go bathe in the river. Nocturnal emissions was part of the U.S. standard curriculum on sexual health taught to kids, yet virtually no guy talks about nocturnal emissions these days because virtually everybody is PMO addicted so no guy knows what it really is.

>>60929782
fap

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Thank you for this. I understand this messages as describing a real question. What is addiction? I am happy to see there are some looking for a way to solve this question.

Birth, sickness, old age, and death are all symptoms of addiction to the sensations. The desire to experience things. Habit energy is very powerful. Habits can be sharpened. This sharpening is much like sharpening a sword. Too dull it will not cut and too sharp it will shatter.

Take rest, once a week. During this time practice non-action. Remember to eat at least once a day. At noon or early evening is best. Stick to one food source at a time. When you eat rice, just eat rice; do not forget to chew well or forget you are eating. This time should be enjoyable and a great time to reflect on the causes of food.

Good luck, have fun and thanks again.

pic only kinda related

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>>60929573
At the end of the day, you're listening to a bunch of 'random guys on the internet.' It's just that one side you find better than the other side. I'm not saying to listen to me. All I'm saying is look at the facts and investigate for yourself. I don't care if you listen to me or not, but look at the scientific studies on https://yourbrainonporn.com/

There are lots of other resources out there if you care to look. I'm not trying to get you on my side or anything, it's just information men have a right to know.

>>60928277
Here's your "you"

>>60929846
Yeah I'm not taking life advice from them though. Stop shitposting. Go to the appropriate board if you want to spread this bullshit.

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>>60929596
I know you say that in jest, and you're bringing up a strawman argument, but this is what I mean PMO addiction cuts across the spectrum. Every guy is affected by this. Meaning perhaps their potential is lowered thus achieving lower in life. We see this in today's news of guys "failing to launch." There are more women enrolled in college these days than men. What's going on here? I don't want to give guys false hope that they'll suddenly go lift 500 lbs and become a rockstar and Einstein. PMO addiction is an addiction, quitting it will bring you back balance to your brain.

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>>60929616
Pic related, and if you continue your tastes will change

>>60929820
it's because nobody calls it "nocturnal emissions", they call it wet dreams

wikipedia;
>The frequency that one has nocturnal emissions has not been conclusively linked to frequency of masturbation.

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>this thread

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>>60929955
Wikipedia is edited by a bunch of porn addicts. There are also articles online from Psychology Today for example where the author touts that Porn Addiction is not real. It's kind of we're living in a matrix, where the Google searches are powered by those who are addicted to porn and same with Wikipedia edited by people who are also addicted to porn and need to push their worldview.

Science is science, the end of the day, there are studies that prove the harm of PMO addiction. Also, there are testimonials such as from myself that attest to 1) you can quit PMO addiction and 2) PMO addiction is a real problem in today's society.

>>60929955
He'll just call Wikipedia an unreliable source, even though it's sources are verifiable. Probably say only his studies are valid too.

>>60929989
just change a few words here are there and your posts sound exactly like someone who is trying to get someone onto their religion

"don't listen to THOSE guys, they're HEATHENS"

ITT: *watches that 2 minute TED speech about porn addiction once*

mah studies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rnq1NpHdmw

>>60929989
Tell me, when does porn use become a problem?

We've been able to reach our genitals for an eternity now and we're still around and with that ability. I'd regard masturbation as a naturally evolved method of birth control.

>>60929150
masturbation is awesome.

I believe OP's site is for people on the verge of losing their job/house/whatever due to porn. I have addictions, sweets/gayming/porn but I do those in moderation. I believe my life is pretty sweet tbhfam

>masturbate 10 times a day
>any job I want
>$300K starting

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>>60929453
>I am a brainlet who lacks self control
>My peepee will not stay hard for my obese gf when I have something actually arousing to look at on my computer
>Therefore I am going to constantly push my retarded agenda in your face

What you are suggesting is akin to saying "Starve yourself for a week, and dog shit will start looking like a very appetizing meal!"

Porn is fine, masturbation is fine, orgasms are fine. You're a dipshit.

>>60929509
if your goal is to get people to listen to you, maybe try not sounding like a know it all? Who even responds well to this? You sound like a cult leader.

>>60928993

>/pol/ now attacking the entire reason why 4chan was made

/pol/ deletion when?

do people actually masturbate while looking at stuff rather than using their imagination?

Like I can get basing your imagination on stuff you have seen, but really?

>porn and masturbation is bad

Why do americans think this?

>>60930343
I do both
>>60930364
I don't.

>>60930299
>being this retarded

4chan was about anime faggot. Jerking it came after because you're a bunch of lonely assholes. If anything should be deleted, it's the porn boards.

>>60930364
Either they're jesus freaks
or
They want young men to stop "dropping out of the race" because the economy is struggling. The easiest way to make men compete is to make them lust for women.

This fetishistic porn abstaining discussion is boring

>>60930343
I thought that everyone jacked it to a video/image.

>>60930385
The economy isn't struggling. More wealth than ever before has shifted to the top, and most of new job creation has been minimum wage jobs.
People aren't feeling the economy shit on them, they're getting shafted by the slow death of the middle class.

>>60930431
>they're getting shafted by the slow death of the middle class.
And their excuse will be "it's dying because young men are jacking off" in not-so-direct terms. Either way they don't like it.

porn addiction my ass, everything is a fucking habit, change your fucking habits and stop dramatizing your failures as addictions and things that need help.

>>60928148
Literally how all addicts are.

"Ask for this great Deliverer now, and find him Eyeless in Gaza at the Mill with slaves,
Himself in bonds under Philistian yoke;"
John Milton, Samson Agonistes.

>>60930469
Oh yeah, you already see it in stupid articles that claim that all the worlds problems are caused by lazy, entitled millennials who refuse to leave their parent's couch and get a job.

The older generations will eat it up because it's an easy way to feel superior without actually doing anything besides being born a long time ago.

>ex girlfriends
>fucking strippers

y-yeah s-sounds like me us internet addicts right haha...

>>60930576
Looks like someone lacks...

GUMPTION
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>>60930382

4chan exists because moot couldn't post the porn he wanted to on SA. That is the entire reason for this website's existence.

>>60930613
dog bless mootykins

>>60929918
Yeah, and if I'm doing it once I week I might be into trap hentai 2055 lol.

The only reason I have for banning porn is to decuckify western men.
Fucking sitting and jerkingit like loosers. Everything in moderation.

>>60930596
>oy vey, the middle class is totally not crumbling
>no no, there isn't 1900's level income disparity
>you just aren't trying hard enough, you gotta grab those bootstraps harder!

>>60929206
Yeah, but that only matters if you're a filthy fucking normie.

>>60930275
Cuts across the spectrum, you could be a making $600k or CEO of your own company

>>60930270
Again, porn addiction cuts across the spectrum. Your life could've been even sweeter if it weren't for your addictions.

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>>60929989

>>60930909
The only spectrum you should worry about is the autism spectrum.

>>60929527
This. Everyone here is a little girl.

>>60929206
>lower arousal

>been masturbating basically every day for 15 years
>still get strong sexual urges whenever i see any mildly attractive woman
seems this affects different people differently

>>60928119
this guy on the right it pretty qt

>>60928993
it's not the jews that are trying to ruin society but a group of satanist occultists holding key positions in the west
otherwise it's possible

>>60928888
Porn isn't evil, the addiction is.

>>60931048
Of course not everybody has ED because probably they're not indulging hard enough. But an addiction is an addiction. You don't need porn and masturbation at all in your life.

>>60932055
I could live without porn pretty easily, but I'll never stop fapping.

>>60932055
i don't need it, like i don't need coffee, or chocolate, or money, or a wife, or a computer, or basically anything else
there's nothing wrong with having wants, you can't tell me what to want

>>60932055
ok, now tell me about the jews.

>>60932165
It's not like you have a choice

>>60932355
I don't. It's not like I'm about to become a normalfag because if some traditionalists suddenly banned porn.

>>60930275
>morbidly obese neckbeard
>hideous look
>cries at night because real people is outside having fun and getting laid

wew bro! u livin the life!
Honestly, end yourself for real, only your parents will cry and quicky move on.

>>60932512
>He doesn't have a PhD in obesity
Enjoy your five figure salary

> I was a virgin until I was 29

SO CLOSE
NIGGA WHY

>>60932533
>he thinks wasting a fortune in gayms and figurines will make him happy
lol you are depressing as fuck

>>60932640
That's disgusting, I would never pay money for games.

>>60932533
YOU WILL DIE YOUNG BECAUSE OBESITY IN COMPLETE LONELINESS CRYING BECAUSE YOU COMPLETELY WASTED YOUR PRECIOUS TIME
kek have a good time my loser anon ;)

>>60932705
The sooner the better, faggot.

I'm 28 and working hard to have enough money in a few years to support a sizeable family on just my income.

Current net worth at about £200k and income of ~£60k per year, at some point hoping to cash out on a promising start-up I co-founded two years ago.

I'm making friends in traditionalist religious circles to try and find a good wife interested in being a housewife and loving mother of 5+ children.

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>>60932379
That's not the point. Banning it defeats the purpose. What we are here is to give you hope. Hope for a better life. Hope for the future, your future. You need to understand that it doesn't have to be this way. It is time to set aside your old ways and forge on with the new. You are not stuck, this is the key. You need to wake up, you can do this, we are all here to help and support you in your journey. Just think on this for once, your life is passing by second by second and you can't go back. You are not stuck in your situation. Life is not a snapshot, but a moving picture.

>>60932729
faggot? But you are the one so fucked up that can only get midly aroused by thinking of getting raped in the ass by unexistant chinese tentacles, wew

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>>60932167
>you can't tell me what to want
That's not the point. The point is to give you information so you can make an informative choice. Now tell me, do you look at online pornography? Do you masturbate? Ever? If you said yes to those things, you are addicted to PMO. It's as simple as that. It's not the same as being an alcoholic because in that case you are consuming something. PMO addiction, like video game addiction, is action. If you need to perform a specific action in order to get your dopamine fix, you are by definition addicted.

1) Online pornography as it is in its current form has never existed for much of human history up until the 1990s. Think about this for a minute. Eons of human history, and only in the past 25 years have we had to deal with online pornography. Now more and more people are starting to voice out on the effects of online pornography.

2) Masturbation (or MO, masturbation-orgasm) closely correlates to 1). And the growth of 1) has fueled MO in order for the participant to achieve the high that is felt in the brain. Secondly, masturbation is not necessary. Your body has natural mechanisms to deal with it through nocturnal emissions. This is why virtually no male talks about this topic at all in today's culture, because virtually every guy masturbates thus depleting them of the vital life force which makes a male a man.

>>60933298
and this is always a bad thing because...

wtf i hate porn jews now!

djingis khan fucked like ten billion women and managed to conquer half the planet

>>60928119
sounds like a good thing

>>60933298
Now tell me, do you like post stupid shit about addictions online? Do you proselytize it? Ever? If you said yes to those things, you are addicted to PBO (Post Bullshit Online) . It's as simple as that. It's not the same as being an alcoholic because in that case you are consuming something. PBO addiction, like video game addiction, is action. If you need to perform a specific action in order to get your dopamine fix, you are by definition addicted! This is not bad! I am just informing you.

>>60933490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSn1g-6h1OQ

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>>60933634

>>60933141
The faster my life passes by the better

Now fuck off with this preachy garbage. Your rhetoric is ripped straight out of a Jehovah's Witness handbook.

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>>60933767
>The faster my life passes by the better
It doesn't have to be this way

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>>60929258
http://www.jewishquarterly.org/issuearchive/articled325.html?articleid=38

But keep going jerking off, keep listening to CNN, you're so much better than those losers at /pol/, right?
You're a free thinker, you jerk off to porn. It's 2017 afterall.

>>60933911
I never watch any broadcasts. I'll keep fapping, though.

>>60933911
>western porn
>live action porn

>>60928277
oh god, it's one of these nofap cultists. get back to your reddit containment zone

>>60933996
I've had plenty of spite faps thanks to these nofap puritans.

Daily reminder that these are the people that would exile or murder you if you don't get married before 25.

>>60928119
Almost as tragic as these story of the people who are addicted to work and family-raising, Many of them are deeply unhappy folks.

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>>/r/nofap

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>>60934024
>>60933996
You're truly rebelling against the forces that be by giving in to your innocent little wants.

>>60934072
neck yourself puritan

>>60928176
>at 29

That's not normal.

>>60934072
if you're not just joking around and you're actually one of these nofap people, you guys are obsessed. it's like masturbation is all you think about. I had a look through /r/nofap and one guy apparently even had a youtube channel where he made videos about not masturbating. how obsessed do you have to be with masturbation to make an entire youtube channel about not masturbating? seek help ASAP

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>>60929152
Kek! Great fucking satire my logical friend. Because clearly something like that is so absurd only losers from /pol/ could believe it. Lmao!
Everything is obviously fine, and our culture has progressed since the oppressive days of "house-wives", and "family-life" (yuck, that's for losers!).

Beware of the people who have idiotic solutions to unhappiness like "just join Islam/nofap/become feminist/become a christian/don't play video games/don't watch TV/do or don't consume drug x".

Not only is there mostly some man behind the curtains who intends to use you, they're also generally idiots who think their way to happiness is universal and constant.

But in reality, mostly you need to randomly try for your happiness whenever you get unhappy. What you are going to be happy about is likely not the same thing for a lifetime, and probably not the exactly same as they say, or everyone else's happiness.

>>60934204
The second someone proposes a path to happiness is the second I internally mute them. The human is a miserable animal.

>nofap poster starting a shitstorm

Quality entertainment

>>60934244
I really hope it's bait.

>>60929381
>ejaculating everywhere every time
your obsession is evident in what you've written. If you weren't obsessed you'd have left it at 'consuming all this porn', but you had to write about ejaculating in more detail because you're driven by an intense desire. you're obsessed

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>>60934204
>>60934238
Never promised a 'path to happiness'. Look for that word in any of my previous posts, it won't be there. Rebooting is a long and hard process to go through. You won't be happy but in the long run it will be beneficial to you. Normal things that make you happy, those will make you happy. Freeing yourself from PMO addiction won't make you happy by default. It will only free you from the addiction.

Yes, the human is a miserable being. We all have our animalistic instincts that we cave into, but PMO addiction is one of those things that isn't seriously being discussed in our society today.

It's a totally different paradigm because many of us grew up spanking the frank and watching countless videos of xHamster and RedTube. That's what we grew up with, so of course we think it's normal. However, it's not normal and it doesn't have to be this way. There is a way out and knowledge is power.

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>>60934204
This.
In the past we went for oppressive, "one-size fits all solutions" like religion, country or family.
But luckily, we're wiser now.
Feelings of unhappiness are individual problems, and our society, far from causing it gives us all the means of solving it. Horny and lonely? You have porn!
Feeling existentially uneased? Why, choose from one of the thousands of paths our rich society gives you access to. Buddhism, Yoga, meditation, crystals? Ahh, so much wonderful choice!

The people who really want to use you are the ones behind those annoying, nagging voices. Puritans! How horrible, is it not 2017? Have we not finally progressed past those oppressive nightmares?

>>60934355

>In the past we went for oppressive, "one-size fits all solutions" like religion, country or family.
>But luckily, we're wiser now.

Wow, I'm glad the campaign against fapping is so dynamic.

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>>60934355
>The people who really want to use you are the ones behind those annoying, nagging voices. Puritans! How horrible, is it not 2017? Have we not finally progressed past those oppressive nightmares?
There are over a hundred scientific and academic studies by Cambridge University, Harvard, Stanford, the U.S. Navy, etc. that shows a clear correlation between PMO addiction and many problems men face today. This isn't a cult. This isn't some 'puritan' movement. Perhaps the ancients were right on this one thing. After all, a broken clock is right twice a day. If you are unhappy, the very last thing you should do is do something that harms you. All your argument is essentially based around is, "Let's do porn because it's 'hip and cool' and it's 'rebellious'." You need to grow up and face the scientific facts and countless success stories including mine of men who were freed from PMO addiction. It's not too late for you, you can get out of this addiction and we are here to help you. All you need to do is open eyes and open your mind and look at the facts. Nobody cares what you think except for yourself, so do what's best for your health.

https://yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationships-between-porn-use-or-porn-addictionsex-addiction-and-sexual

>>60928148
How do you you think addictions start, retard

>>60934436
My argument for fapping is the convenient and effective suppression of my libido, porn is not a requirement.
And I'm not clicking on your honeypot site, you moralfag shill.

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>>60934434
That same image always gets posted. First, it's by some 'anonymous Ph.D' who is a porn addict himself. Probably isn't even a Ph.D, but let's assume he is one. Now here are over a hundred scientific and academic peer-reviewed studies showing a clear correlation between PMO addiction and various problems men face: https://yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationships-between-porn-use-or-porn-addictionsex-addiction-and-sexual

Whoever made that post doesn't post any facts, they just say these general platitudes and arguments with no scientific basis. Where's the p-value? Where's the control group? Future works perhaps? The only conclusion that faulty non-peer-reviewed anonymous post offers is a lifeline for porn addicts to cling onto.

It doesn't have to be this way guys. If I along with countless guys can break free of our PMO addiction, then so can you. Stop clinging onto your porn and masturbation and take active steps to break yourself free from this addiction.

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>>60934477
>My argument for fapping is the convenient and effective suppression of my libido
Your libido is natural and it's supposed to be the way it is. If your libido is such a problem for you, then why don't you take estrogen? Your libido is what defines you as a man. By indulging yourself in PMO, you are denying your body the vital energy it requires of you.

Secondly, we really don't know your medical situation. Even if you think you're healthy and fine, we don't know who you are and what problems you may have. There are many /g/uys who have PMO addiction and various ailments that comes associated with it, who recognize that there is a problem and people like you come along and give the false impression that it's okay. It's not okay.

>>60934495
>Get the Book

>>60934436
I'm on your side idiot.

Modernity has obviously made us into disgusting animals.

So is H-manga just as bad as 3d porn?

>>60934594
Sorry, I misread a word

>>60934567
>Your libido is natural and it's supposed to be the way it is.
I can manipulate my libido as much as I want, fuck your naturalistic fallacy.

>If your libido is such a problem for you, then why don't you take estrogen?
I don't need to waste money on pills when a quick fap in the shower keeps me satisfied.

>Your libido is what defines you as a man.
Hurr durr be a man, buy my book.

>By indulging yourself in PMO, you are denying your body the vital energy it requires of you.
It's useless energy if you use it to chase sex like an animalistic normalfag.

Keep shilling your site.

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>>60934695
>I don't need to waste money on pills when a quick fap in the shower keeps me satisfied.
There are no pills or books I'm trying to sell you. This is all free information, no ads, nothing. In fact, PMO addicts are the one that's paying for their time to look for porn or paying for porn directly.

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>watch movies
>after a while can only be entertained by certain movies that before were too unorthodox for me
>fine and good

>watch porn
>after a while can only be aroused by certain porn that before were too unorthodox to me
>holy shit the sky is falling

>All this fucking bioscience in this thread

I thought I was on /fit/ for a moment

>normies
No self respecting man can suddenly become "addicted" to some normie tier hobby.
In vidya, it's always MMOs, otherwise it's just "le internet addictions xDD :(", which is just normie code for being such a fucking narcissist that you can't scrape your damn ass off the phone because you're too busy watching e-celebs do utterly boring shit or waiting for likes or upvotes on your latest quirky so random picture.

>>60933298
>If you need to perform a specific action in order to get your dopamine fix, you are by definition addicted.
Can I be addicted to sex?
????????
What difference does it make if I fuck bitches once every day or masturbate once every day?

>>60934762
a dick shin is bad, mmk?
everyone should just keep liking only exactly what they liked when they were 3, anything else is clearly just a result of getting too tolerant

>>60938987
porn is what makes the difference. there's nothing wrong with masturbation, quite the contrary. porn trains your brain to become aroused by porn exclusively (visual stimulation) while numbing and dissociating oneself from the other sensations.
t. guy who took 3 months to get a proper hardon and fuck his gf.

>>60939625
>t. guy who took 3 months to get a proper hardon and fuck his gf.
and you're blaming porn for that?

Unless it's a thing that you put inside your body, addiction is a buzzword.

>>60933298
>If you need to perform a specific action in order to get your dopamine fix, you are by definition addicted
Going by this logic, I'm addicted to food.

>>60928119
These guys are definitely gonna fall off the wagon. When people are addicted to drugs or alcohol the tactic is usually to give it up cold turkey and don't go to the liquor store and don't order drinks at parties. Basically avoid your vice. This is a problem with the internet however as the world becomes more and more connected. It is literally impossible to avoid your addiction. They will slip back, it is only a matter of time. You need to have extreme levels of willpower and self-control to avoid addiction and if these addicts had it to begin with they would have never gotten addicted in the first place.

>>60939677
yes. happened every time i transitioned between watching porn and fucking a real person. i kept watching porn and it took me 3 months to realise what was happening. last time it only took 3 days to readjust.

>stop using porn, it's negatively affecting your relationship!
does OP even realize where he is? nobody here has a relationship

>>60929321
spectacularly missing the point

it's like 'praying' for a country that got hit really hard by a natural disaster as opposed to, say, donating money. you're not actually accomplishing anything but patting yourself on the ass for being such a good person

My sleep schedule has been fucked so I have barely masturbated.
I am fucking addicted and I need to stop. It's absolutely terrible.
Fucking done with it! I am gonna do noFAP foreal now!
Wish me luck.

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>>60939954
4chan makes it extra harder with a qt posted every other post.

>>60939999
I like real women, don't care about cartoons. Also nice quads, checked.

>>60938519
Why is it that way? I wouldn't say I play a lot of videogames, but I certainly play them, and "video game addicts" are always so boring, if video games are all you have, to the point you would harm your life, you'd think you'd be well versed?

Nobody is ever addicted to PC-98 emulation, or those weird experimental games from the PS2 era, or involved in the modern arcade scene, it's always bland mass market skinner box treadmills.

>>60940016
>real women
>porn

I like to play with my wife's boobs and fap to them if she's not in the mood to fug. And we often fap together. Can't remember the last time I've fapped to porn. Been with this woman for 8 years now, should I seek help for this masturbation problem.

>>60928277
>masturbate on a regular basis
>thinking it's normal

It is normal, in fact, it prevents testicular cancer

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>>60928277
Alright nofapfag, explain me this:
>do nofap for 5 months easily
>fetishes still like they were when I started (degenerate)
>nobody has noticed any change in me
>get annoyed and go back to fapping once maybe twice a day because I don't have anything better to do
What do now?

>>60928119
This retardation again.
More meme words "INTERNET ADDICTION".
You cant be addicted to the internet,it is just complete lack of self-control.
How does the internet even have to do with it. If the net would not exist he would just go to a casino,or got on drugs.
This is the newest ploy to "shame" the tech people/industry and make it evil and bad for the goys, since (((they))) don't want people to use internet too much because too much free speech and dangerous redpilling ideas!!! ITS ANODAH SHOAH!!

>>60941487
>what does addiction mean

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>>60940844
Masturbate and enjoy your deep dark fantasies

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>>60940707
>It is normal, in fact, it prevents testicular cancer
It's not normal, your body has a coping mechanism called nocturnal emissions which accounts for this. There are plenty of other healthy ways to prevent testicular cancer without feeding your PMO addiction, including finding a sex partner. Also in the article:

>He was addicted to internet porn, masturbating six to 10 times a day, to the point where he was bleeding but would continue

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>>60939691
>Unless it's a thing that you put inside your body, addiction is a buzzword.
False, take this image for example. There is a clear analogy between any kind of intake addiction and porn addiction

In fact, researchers have shown that ejaculation, even twice a week, shrinks the dopamine-producing neurons in the VTA, which reduces a male's response to the pleasure of morphine. This also happens with repeated heroin use in both rats and humans. Scientists have also learned that amphetamine activates the exact same nerve cells as orgasm, urging the brain to "remember and repeat." In other words, drugs of abuse "work" because they're hijacking the mechanisms that evolved to make us want sex...and yet experience aftereffects from too frequent sex.

>Endogenous opioid-induced neuroplasticity of dopaminergic neurons in the ventral tegmental area influences natural and opiate reward.
>Pitchers KK1, Coppens CM2, Beloate LN3, Fuller J2, Van S2, Frohmader KS2, Laviolette SR2, Lehman MN4, Coolen LM5.
>J Neurosci. 2014 Jun 25;34(26):8825-36. doi: 10.1523/JNEUROSCI.0133-14.2014.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24966382#

Just like with many posts that deny the harmful effects of PMO addiction, they are always general platitudes with little or no science. They just say these baseless claims such as "not masturbating prevents testicular cancer" or "porn addiction does not exist, lol." But no scientific backing. In fact, IF masturbation could affect such change to yoru body that masturbation did prevent testicular cancer, then perhaps there are other side effects that you should consider as well? Why are you only focusing on the (nonexistant) upsides of masturbation?

Listen, you can break free from this addiction. This is not some general platitude, this is a true statement. There are many of us, countless of men who have broken free from PMO addiction. If you think you are hopelessly lost, you are not and we are always here to help you on the road to recovery.

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>>60942520
>Masturbate and enjoy your deep dark fantasies
Problem with online pornography, at least part of it, is it fuels your imagination and distorts and warps it making the addiction even that much more compelling. It then leads you on to find other porn so you can reach that same high. In reality, you spend much of your time finding porn rather than actually watching it. Guys that store 5 TB worth of porn are essentially storing a virtual harem of women so they can simply pick one and get their dopamine fix.

>>60943259
>complaining about porn
>on a Bavarian beer brewing board

>>60943302
>virtual harem of women

Hot.

>>60929955
Da fuq
All I can say is, I had wet dreams pretty frequently (maybe weekly) between about 10 and 13 when I learned how to masturbate. Then they stopped entirely while I fapped a couple of times a week until I was 14. Then they started again when I went to boarding school and didn't have enough privacy to fap. Then they stopped again after a few months when I learned the traffic patterns in the dorm and started fapping once a week on Saturday mornings. Then they never came back, because I graduated and went to college and got an internet connection and a smartphone and found this place and have been fapping between once and 5x weekly since. FML.
>not enough evidence
my ass

>STOP HAVING FUN!
>FUN IS BAD!
>come to our therapy, goy! We will teach you how to prefer 3DPDs again!

>>60944066
>women

gross

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>>60944623
>STOP HAVING FUN!
>FUN IS BAD!
No, that is your decision to make. Men have a right to know, and there are a lot of misinformation and general feel-good platitudes about porn and masturbation. Just because you don't like the information given to you doesn't mean it's okay to censor it. If you consider yourself to be a logical fair-minded person, then you should take in this information, process it, and understand the implications of what is being presented here.

We all know heroin is bad. Despite this, there are still many heroin addicts.

hiro please delete recaptcha

How the fuck do I sleep without fapping?

>>60945993
When you're really tired it's easy

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Literally everything can be addictive: eating healthy, working out, sex, masturbation, sugar, eating, sleeping, smartphones, internet, alcohol, ciggerrates, video games, drugs, gambling, even fucking knitting. What allows one to become addicted is not a lack of self control, but a predisposed physical dependent allowance that exists. It's really one of the downfalls to capitalism.

>>60946171
Being hungry is addictive too

>>60928148
Addictive personalities are addictive personalities.

Some people are legitimately addicted to the internet. Just like some are legitimately addicted to a plethora of other things. Doesn't mean utilizing those things are inherently addictive - if you can be away from the internet at any given moment and not go into some autistic rage (or if you in general stop taking the internet so damn seriously), you're fine b

>>60946171
I don't think any other economic system would avoid such addiction. Simply put the abundant-based addictions would be replaced by scarcity-based addictions (ie. mixed drugs as opposed to fast food).

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>>60945993
Yes, you can sleep without fapping. Problem is, you've conditioned yourself to PMO before you sleep, so you've built a habit and you need to break it. Everything will be harder during the reboot process, but eventually once you go through it you'll be back to normal. I had this same exact problem and thought as well.

There are various ways you can help with insomnia. These aren't specific to reboot so do research. You can change your dietary schedule. Usually I would fast 16 hours before my scheduled wake time and it seems to work (look this online). Also gradually eat more carbs during the night (but doesn't help with fat loss). You can try out light therapy. Finally, there's melatonin and other natural sleep medications you can try. As always, talk to your doctor for medical professional advice.

>>60934600
Please respond to this post I made yesterday

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>>60946171
There are two problems with your statement, not to mention the lack of scientific study and econ-political science to back up your assertion that "capitalism is to blame for PMO addiction epidemic."

1) PMO addiction is not the same as all the other addictions. PMO hits directly to your sexual basic instincts in your brain. This is why it is generally easier to overcome video game addiction because it doesn't deal with such a vital part of your neurological system.

2) Logical fallacy of blaming an outside actor. "Capitalism" is not to blame for your addiction. Virtually every guy has fallen prey to PMO addiction. If you have PMO addiction, then you can surely break free of PMO addiction. You weren't born with "PMO addiction," you had to acquire this taste. Ironically, those to whom PMO addiction does not apply are those who haven't even been affected by PMO addiction in the first place. If you have fallen into the PMO addiction hole, then you can definitely climb out of it. No excuse.

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>>60946428
Hentai is online pornography. Hentai is designed to stimulate the same parts of your brain for your PMO addiction. Ultimately, the end goal of hentai and online pornography is the same. You can read more behind the science here: https://yourbrainonporn.com/doing-what-you-evolved-to-do

Sex addiction is as much of a real problem than PMO addiction, as in this study: http://pornharmsresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/Research_Hilton_Sex-Addiction-as-a-Disease_2015.pdf

Ultimately, it is easier to get off on online porn due to its virtual and digital nature. You cannot accomplish this same amount of sexual dopamine high in real life. It simply doesn't exist (read the first link). Having a girlfriend/wife is not the same as PMO addiction. In fact, your girlfrined/wife will never be able to fulfill your PMO addiction. This is why many relationships and marriages fall apart because the man has PMO addiction and would rather go off on online pornography rather than have sexual relations with his wife.

Can I edge without cumming or that makes me addicted too?

>>60934444
quads confirm

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>>60946569
I know it is difficult to go through the rebooting process because I've been through it myself. I had to give up a lot of things temporarily to help me get through it. However, if you managed to fall into PMO addiction, then you can definitely climb out of PMO addiction. No excuses. You need to stay with the program.

That said, if you are edging to porn you are combining naturally high dopamine levels of masturbation with the dopamine raising abilities of 1) exciting, novel visuals 2) searching the net for porn 3) finding surprising or shocking genres. Edging can keep dopamine levels elevated for hours, and train the brain to require constant visual stimulation, rapid-fire novelty, clicking from scene to scene, particular fetishes, and the pressure of your own hand. None of this matches real sex.

You can read more here: https://yourbrainonporn.com/what-if-i-use-porn-without-orgasm

>>60928277
Everyone has a different idea of normal, I thought it was normal to just do it irregularly, like three times in a week then a month in between, apparently that's not normal.

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>>60947818
Ultimately, we have to ask the question: What is Truth? What is one's idea of normal?

There are over a hundred brain studies on pornography usage (https://yourbrainonporn.com/brain-scan-studies-porn-users) which shows the brain changes to show addictive traits. There are many symptoms and problems associated with porn usage and the affected person may or may not be cognizant of their situation. At the very least, we can argue looking from an anthropological point of view, searching for virtual porn and masturbation on a daily basis is not normal.

>>60928119
>or sending lonely texts to ex-girlfriends
Fucking normalfag

>>60928277
Is eating an addiction too? What the fuck

I know I will become addicted to most things that I try. The Internet isn't that bad of an addiction, all things considered.

>>60928794
Having sex isn't quitting pmo. You're still having sex and wouldn't be with your girl if you weren't having sex. Same dope factors dope

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>>60949158
Eating in and of itself is not an addiction. That said, there is such a thing as food addiction which one of the side effects is commonly obesity.

In fact, in this study from 2011 by the National Institute of Drug Abuse (USA) -- Food and Drug Reward Overlapping Circuits in Human Obesity and Addiction (https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F7854_2011_169) -- both obese and drug-addicted individuals suffer from impairments in dopaminergic pathways that regulate neuronal systems associated not only with reward sensitivity and incentive motivation, but also with conditioning (memory/learning), impulse control (behavioural inhibition), stress reactivity, and interoceptive awareness. What this implies is that PMO addiction can also stem from this as well because we have proven in previous linked studies in this thread that PMO addiction follows the same neurological pathways as other types of addictions.

>>60928794
Being a virgin doesn't count

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>>60949477
PMO addiction is not internet addiction. Many people falsely equate video game addiction with PMO addiction, but they aren't the same thing because PMO addiction is much stronger and hits the limbic system whereas video game addiction doesn't factor into such core components of your neurological function.

In other words, PMO addiction is much more serious problem than other types of addictions.

>>60928416
So you think you're high and mighty but you cream your pants every night? I'd take porn anyday over that

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>>60950018
>Having sex isn't quitting pmo. You're still having sex and wouldn't be with your girl if you weren't having sex. Same dope factors dope
False. As an anecdote, many married men or men in a relationship who are PMO addicted report they would rather watch online pornography rather than spend time with their loved ones.

PMO addiction is different from real-life sex due to the virtual nature of where the dopamine supply is rising from. Virtually every men today have a harem of millions of women. Never in the history of mankind has men have had this many access to female. The only difference is that the women are stored virtually either on a local HDD or in the cloud and accessible at the click of a button.

In fact, there are countless studies linking porn use or porn/sex addiction to sexual dysfunctions, lower arousal, and lower sexual & relationship satisfaction funded by the NIH, the U.S. Navy, Harvard University, etc. You can view them here: https://yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationships-between-porn-use-or-porn-addictionsex-addiction-and-sexual

>>60928277
IQ is strongly associated with will power, friendo. Low IQ people are short sighted and go for the easy dopamine gibs, whereas smarter people realize it is better to invest and build long term.

This is why Europeans have conquered the skies and have gone to the moon, while other cultures are still living in mud huts.

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>>60950083
I didn't mean to come across as patronizing and I apologize if I came across that way. I merely gave my example as a way to give you hope.

If you fell into the hole of PMO addiction, then you can climb out of it. You have no excuses. There is a rebooting process with many support groups over at yourbrainatporn.com or other communities on the WWW.

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>>60950135
>Europeans
>gone to the moon

>>60950146
>If you fell into the hole of PMO addiction, then you can climb out of it. You have no excuses.

How do people like you exist? You know what is going to make people with genuine problem respond to?
Not being a fucking asshole and tell them they are the problem, it ain't helping them,
Any addiction is result of outside influences and people who are willing to help should be helping them, not your stupid ass.

>>60950228
I suppose it was Africans who went to the moon then?

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>>60950135
>IQ is strongly associated with will power, friendo. Low IQ people are short sighted and go for the easy dopamine gibs, whereas smarter people realize it is better to invest and build long term.
Statistics aren't clear cut, they are merely averages. For example, when they say 60% of high IQ can successfully do something. Well, there's still 40% that did not.

IQ may be an indicator for many kinds of things but it is not clear cut. It does not mean, you have XYZ IQ, therefore you cannot do this.

Nobody has excuses on why they cannot quit PMO addiction. Their treatment and the length of time to reboot may vary. All it means is they may need outside help and intervention, but I was able to reboot alone. Perhaps other people may need an Alcoholics Anonymous type of group. Everybody can quit PMO addiction. And yes, to reflect what you said, where there's a will, there's a way.

>>60950334
>Quitting addiction
You see, your biggest argument this whole thread is, if you are addicted you have to quit.
But you have to present evidence that addiction is bad to begin with.
Most modern people today are addicted to sugar, that addiction means nothing to an active person.

>>60950334
Okay, then lets forget the pseudo measurement for intelligence and just call it intelligence.

Intelligence is directly proportional to will power.

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>>60950274
First, I'm not being mean and lashing out at anybody, go through all my previous posts. I have never attacked anybody. Nor will I ever attack anybody. Second, I have linked to various scientific and academic studies that prove beyond a shadow of doubt clear correlation between PMO addiction and various problems men face and the harmful effects of PMO addiction (whether they are self-evident on the victim or not).

Men have a right to know. I will not be apologetic for calling something for what it is.

Addicts typically grow a bond and form an identity with their addiction. In essence, their addiction becomes a part of them. Attacking their addiction, in turn is an attack on their identity and they will lash out accordingly.

This is part of the reason why there is a dearth of knowledege on the topic of PMO addiction beyond medical professional circles. In pop media, the MSM, and even Wikipedia many of the journalists and writers are PMO addicts themselves, they will warp and present information that conforms to their worldview. On top of that, they do not want to alienate their readers, so this topic does not get the attention that it deserves.

Every man has a right to know. You cannot shame science and facts. However, the decision is yours. We are here to help you if you decide to break free from your PMO addiction.

>>60950425
>Addicts typically grow a bond and form an identity with their addiction. In essence, their addiction becomes a part of them. Attacking their addiction, in turn is an attack on their identity and they will lash out accordingly.

Before lecturing other people about their addiction, you should probably first stop getting high from your own farts.

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>>60950364
>But you have to present evidence that addiction is bad to begin with.
There are countless studies linking porn use or porn/sex addiction to sexual dysfunctions, lower arousal, and lower sexual & relationship satisfaction https://yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationships-between-porn-use-or-porn-addictionsex-addiction-and-sexual

In addition, every study in the webpage below offers support for the porn addiction model (no studies falsify the porn addiction model). The results of these 33 neurological studies (and upcoming studies) are consistent with 210+ Internet addiction "brain studies", many of which also include internet porn use. All support the premise that internet porn use can cause addiction-related brain changes: https://yourbrainonporn.com/brain-scan-studies-porn-users

These are funded by the National Institude on Drug Addiction by the U.S. National Institute for Health, by the U.S. Navy, Harvard University, among countless others of academic and medical institution.

All the facts are there, you need to open your eyes and open your mind.

>He was addicted to internet porn, masturbating six to 10 times a day
How the fuck?

>>60950475
>he's never gone up to 5 times in one day

>>60950472
If I link you something from here, https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/ will you take that as evidence?

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>>60950369
I'm not here to covert you or anything, that's your job. I'm here to give you a message, it's up to you to apply them or not.

You're fishing for excuses on why you should give up so others may be discouraged as well. There are no clear-cut variables why no man cannot give up PMO addiction. No man has an excuse at all. This means there is no scientific studies that prove that some men are hopeless. No man can ever get left behind. In fact, there are plenty of testimonies online, including mine, where we have broken free of our PMO addiction. Lots of guys, wide range of IQs, various levels of willpower, some of us are intelligent, some are not.

It doesn't have to be this way. If I along with countless guys can break free of our PMO addiction, then so can you. Stop clinging onto your porn and masturbation and take active steps to break yourself free from this addiction.


“The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.” – Chinese Proverb

>>60950551
>MUH ANICDOTAL EXPERIENCE

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>>60950524
Strawman argument (I will link a site same as yours, therefore because the site I linked is really outlandish, the links you post are equally landish as well).

Let us be intellectually honest. There are no peer-reviewed scientific, medical, or academic studies on that website.

On the other hand, the website is just a link page where it points to studies such as by the NIH. For example:


Neuroscience of Internet Pornography Addiction: A Review and Update
Todd Love,1,†* Christian Laier,2,† Matthias Brand,2,3,† Linda Hatch,4,† and Raju Hajela5,6,†
Published online 2015 Sep 18. doi: 10.3390/bs5030388

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/

>>60950612
>Strawman argument
No, not in the slightest, you should learn what that fallacies means before you will go around throwing big words, you don't understand. and no, this is no Ad Hominem.

>> www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/
> Internet pornography use, were not covered.

Yea, next time read your own papers before you try and link them to me, you fucking moron, and no that also isn't Ad Hominem

>>60950551
I never said we should give up on them, I simply don't care for the weak willed. Those who choose not to struggle do it by choice.

>but some people aren't X argument
Yes I'm aware there are statistical outliers for anything.

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My tastes in porn havent changed in years or maybe ever.

Still into the usual shit, but finding new material is hard.

What I do find is that my preferences sway depending on whats going on in my life

>a gf doesn't do anal
>search for anal videos
>a gf doesn't give good bjs
>search for deepthroat/bj videos
and then of course something will trigger me to search for something specific, like I see a nice Asian chick with a great ass, I will be searching for asian anal later
or stuff like that.

in a way its like living vicariously through porn,

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>>60950648
Nope, it is a strawman argument that you just put up if you really think about it. Anyways, I'll give that one to you. You win.

Again, I'm not here to convert you are anything. The decision is yours. I've given you all the information you need to help you start on the journey to break free from your addiction. We are here to help.

>>60950689
>strawman argument
I didn't make a strawman to burn it, i give example of a website that has agenda, something your website has, providing examples where there are none, promising proof where there is none.

You are indeed the flat earther.

>>60928416
Nocturnal emissions is a very bad side effect if you ask normal people

>>60950722
PMO addiction is a real issue affecting men today, my friend.

>>60950757
Yea, with no documentation or proof of it's existence.

NASA is also making sure you can't get to the edge of the world.

Lizard people are controlling the government and lizard people are controlled by a triangle with an eye that smokes some dank kush.

>>60950728
>Nocturnal emissions is a very bad side effect if you ask normal people
Nocturnal emissions have no side effects if you ask normal people

>>60950777
Not him, but you're pretty dumb

>>60950791
>not him
>you are dumb

Nice cover.

>>60950687
Why would you want to stick your penis inside of a literal shithole?

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>>60950777
All the links are there that point to academic studies https://yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationships-between-porn-use-or-porn-addictionsex-addiction-and-sexual

This is another very common form of attack to equate people who quit PMO addiction to cults/wingnuts/pseudoscience/etc.. Unfortunately, this requires sheer ignorance of scientific facts that I have presented. I'm not going to copy paste the links manually here because obviously you're not receptive to science and facts.

>>60950777
>muh lizard people

Its always interesting when people make the idea of an extraterrestrial species existing sound like insanity by lumping it together with flat earth.

You know there is trillions upon trillions of planets, right?

>>60950812
Sorry, there are no direct correlation in any of the papers in anything you are saying linked to porn, only to excessive masturbation, try and read your own fucking papers not quotes from the fucking website with an agenda.

>you're not receptive to science and facts.
Yea, funny you say that.

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>>60950875
Friend, it's all right here: https://yourbrainonporn.com/brain-scan-studies-porn-users

I understand you're very upset and angry, but there is no need to lash out. Men have a right to know this information and take the appropriate action. We are here to help.

>this nofap nigger has made over fifty posts
Someone dump some porn already.

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>>60950932
>the brain scans dud, lol

Yea, funny that.

>>60950937
bro you're addicted

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>>60950961
The image I posted is to supplement my point, but that isn't the entire argument in and of itself. You can read the academic papers here: https://yourbrainonporn.com/brain-scan-studies-porn-users

Yes, there are many different types of addictions out there as we have previously discussed in this thread. PMO addiction is especially bad because it pertains to the limbic component of your brain and negatively affects many parts of your overall health and being.

>>60950994
Oh shit, it's in the limbic? WOW, so it's not in your imagination or eyes part of the brain? And other addictions are?

This is exactly why you are a retard, because you are talking about shit that you don't even understand.

>>60950994
You know why I posted that image? Because it means nothing, it debunks your image not by showing how wrong it is, but by showing that it means nothing.

not only does your image make 0 sense as it shows more sensitivity on porn users, it also debunk the whole nofap movement with it, by itself.

You know how you said that you get dopamine blockage if you watch too much porn, your image proves you wrong.

>>60951018
Not him, but the limbic system is where opioid addiction lives.

>>60950496
>>60950475
When MGQ2 came out my dick got sore

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>>60951084
To be quite frank, we all know why you're posting in general to try and refute science and facts and to give yourself (and others) excuse to continue your PMO addiction.

A single image isn't going to refute or support any scientific point. That's not how science works. I post those images because 1) they serve as a supplement to the scientific journals that it points to and 2) images speak a thousand words and it's much easier to convey information in a succinct manner this way.

Unfortunately, you have not debunked anything. You're just being argumentative and you're lashing out at others that you perceive are attacking a core part of your identity.

With respect to your dopamine argument, if you look at this link, there are countless scientific and medical studies that simply prove your statement is not true: https://yourbrainonporn.com/brain-scan-studies-porn-users

Finally, this is not a 'NoFap movement' or anything because that movement is not based on science or anything. PMO addiction is a real issue that men face in this day and age. Men have a right to know. There is no discussion around the validity of the harmful nature of PMO addiction because science has proven this fact over and over again. You need to let go of your anger, especially when it's directed at others, and look within yourself. We are here to help, and we all want to see people like you successfully break free of your addiction.

>>60928148
fpwp

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>>60951018
Point being, sex is a core part of our brain. Humans did not develop the capability to be hooked on video games for instance. Video game addiction, drug addiction, etc. aren't as a core part of the human brain as sex is. Hence, PMO addiction is a much more potent addiction than the other addictions combined. Hope this makes sense.

>>60950327
haven't you heard of nasa was actually entirely made up of black women?

>>60951651
Oh ya I forgot, they flew their pyramids to the moon before they created the first white man.

>>60928119
>internet addiction
>is actually just /v/irgin addiction
Just make them install some GNU Libre distro so they can't download steam.

>>60951625
I slept for like two fucking days and you're still here trying to convert people fucking hell dude

>>60951625
at what point after dropping porn would i know that my dopamine receptors have regenerated?

>>60928277
>porn is better than heroin
I have trouble believing this. I only had 20mg (large dose, I know) of oxycodone for about a month and that shit was way better than jerkin' it.

>>60929694
Heroin is actually physically addictive. You don't get dope sick if you go a few days without a video game.

>>60951852
When you no longer feel the urge to masturbate to cuckold porn.

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>>60951852
>at what point after dropping porn would i know that my dopamine receptors have regenerated?
A ballpark would be 90-days, but don't take it as-is. Again, depends on most people. For me, I first set a 3-week timeframe then did a controlled relapse. Then I went for the 90 days and at around day 100 I relapsed very hard. However, after I cleaned up my act I haven't relapsed since and have been PMO-free for a few years now. Gradually throughout my rebooting process, I had to give up a lot of things temporarily because I found they kept on triggering me too much. If you're serious about rebooting, you need to let go of the things that trigger you temporarily and do something else with your life in the meantime.

Nowadays, I don't feel an urge to look out for pornographic materials. I'm back on 4chan and even if I see pornographic materials in the thumbnail, it doesn't trigger me. Seeing those anime girls in suggestive positions on /g/ never triggers me. However, it's not smart to look at porn in the first place and best to avoid it. I never MO (masturbation-orgasm).

You can read more here: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/reboot_your_brain

>>60951625
>drug addiction, etc. aren't as a core part of the human brain as sex is
I don't think you know how drug addiction works.

>>60930298
fuck off you stupid fucking jewish shill, he convinced me so he's clearly doing something right.

>>60951993
Heaven's Gate convinced a number of people to join, so clearly they were doing something right.

>>60951993
>da jooz
Kek, stupid samefag.

>>60930298
The entire site reads more like a cult following than a educational website.

Shit's kind of weird.

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>>60951988
Yes, I understand your point. The hooking mechanism which fuel PMO addiction is not by consuming something developing a physical need for a particular drug but rather it is neurological and deals with the core system of your brain that is not like video game addiction for example.

That said, there is a clear correlation between drug addiction and PMO addiction. Drug addicts are thought to be driven to seek their drug because they want – rather than enjoy – it. This abnormal process is known as incentive motivation, which is a hallmark of addiction disorders. This University of Cambridge study contains details: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/cambridge-university-brain-scans-find-porn-addiction

>>60952068
>He's still fucking going
>Days later

Substituting one addiction for another.

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>>60952004
Heaven's Gate convinced people to kill themselves, we are not promoting any kind of self-harm or anything like that. Flat Earthers are in a state of absolute delusion and NoFappers rely on pseudoscience, we rely on established science and medicine to prove our facts.

PMO addiction is a real problem. You need to understand that in all of mankind history, online pornography became prevalent only starting in the 1990s. Effectively, PMO addiction has become an issue for at most 25 years in all of humanity's existence. Please put this into context and think about it.

So do any of your "studies" mention any negative effect for women who look at porn an masturbate?

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>>60952170

Yes, in this 2014 study on female porn users shows cravings and sensitization are associated with porn/cybersex addiction (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25080011)

>Cyberpsychol Behav Soc Netw. 2014 Aug;17(8):505-11. doi: 10.1089/cyber.2013.0396.
>Cybersex addiction in heterosexual female users of internet pornography can be explained by gratification hypothesis.
>Laier C1, Pekal J, Brand M.

>Since comparable investigations on females do not exist, the aim of this study is to investigate predictors of cybersex addiction in heterosexual women. We examined 51 female IPU and 51 female non-Internet pornography users (NIPU). Using questionnaires, we assessed the severity of cybersex addiction in general, as well as propensity for sexual excitation, general problematic sexual behavior, and severity of psychological symptoms.

>Additionally, an experimental paradigm, including a subjective arousal rating of 100 pornographic pictures, as well as indicators of craving, was conducted.

>Results indicated that IPU rated pornographic pictures as more arousing and reported greater craving due to pornographic picture presentation compared with NIPU. Moreover, craving, sexual arousal rating of pictures, sensitivity to sexual excitation, problematic sexual behavior, and severity of psychological symptoms predicted tendencies toward cybersex addiction in IPU.

>...

>These results are in line with those reported for heterosexual males in previous studies.

You can read more here: https://yourbrainonporn.com/porn-problems-here-come-women

>>60929150
>i now have a stupid bitch who nags at me all the time and makes me spend money on her
congradulations.

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>>60952457
I will admit there are upsides and downsides of being in a relationship. It is not all rosy and pornography may seem like an easy option. That said, I used to take this belief and argument to justify my PMO addiction, "I'll keep masturbating so I don't end up with a woman and have to please her, etc."

In hindsight, this is a very similar argument that other addicts make. Alcoholics use alcohol as a mechanism to numb themselves from the world. Similarly with drug addicts, etc.

You can be PMO-free and not have a sexual partner for an extended period. Again, during your rebooting process, you will effectively be in hyperdrive because your body is craving it. Until after you reboot then you will return back to equilibrium without the PMO addiction. Many guys including myself who are PMO-free go for years without a sexual partner. This is why your body has nocturnal emissions. In addition, this energy in the past was not wasted on PMO but rather channeled inadvertently by single men to create great things, inventions, etc. This is why many discoveries and inventions in mankind history have majority been single men.

At the end of the day, there are many excuses your brain will make up in order to justify your PMO addiction. However, it is possible to avoid having a bad girlfriend and not be addicted to online pornography as well.

If I just fap on imagination really quick it still werks?
Like usual fap on shower normalfags do

>>60951566
Man, if he's trying to justify his addiction imagine what kind of crazy justification the guy who makes 70 posts over two days must be doing.

>>60928794
If my penis isn't in girl daily it's in my hand. You're a lil bitch

>>60931048
Ya it just makes me more horny

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>>60952666
No, what you are doing is called MO (Masturbation-Orgasm). If you quit porn, but still do MO, you are still fueling your PMO addiction. The objective here is to effective 'reboot' your brain, if you do MO, it defeats this purpose of rebooting.

Masturbation in the shower is not a 'normal' thing to do, but I'm sure it is very common since I used to do that all the time as well. I don't masturbate in the shower at all ever since I am PMO-free.

>>60952978
You're wrong faggot

>>60953663
It's covered here in the section, "To Masturbate, or Not to Masturbate, That is The Question" here https://yourbrainonporn.com/reboot_your_brain

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"porn is an addition it's just like heroin" is essentially the new "hairy palms"

the evidence is one study which isn't regarded well in the neuroscience community and anecdotal accounts also known as non-evidence

>come at me

>>60954475
>"porn is an addition it's just like heroin" is essentially the new "hairy palms"
No its not, there are multiple academic and medical studies that prove harmful effects of PMO addiction