/tpg/ - Thinkpad General

Thank you for making this thread. I asked this in another thread but this is where it's most appropriate
I have a t420 coming and am wondering if getting a msata SSD is worth it. I was planning on getting a cheap 32gb one just to boot from, replacing the regular drive with a SSD and placing the old drive in a caddy. Also does anyone know if replacing the i5 with an i7 is worth the 40 bucks? Or will it be so marginal that I'm better off just keeping the i5?

>>60907048
if you mean the dual-core i7 then no it would not be worth it at all

a quad-core i7 would have a significant performance boost though, but how much performance you need is up to you

and you should abandon the old drive, do not stick an HDD in your laptop they are shit
>noise
>power consumption
>reliability

just get a big SSD

>>60907082
I kinda wanted to keep the old drive just for redundancies but I see what you are saying.

>>60906978
Does the x1 carbon go on sale for more than 33% off? I want to buy a new one but idk when to pull the trigger REEE

i have a thinkpad x220 without a harddrive, is it worth it scavanging an ssd from my desktop for it? (i have two hard drives in there, one's an ssd and one's an hdd)

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>>60907153

students and companies get a massive discount, and if you use the lenovo perk code NJ*PERKSEPP then it's really cheap.

what is a faster w510 wireless network card?

>>60907329
do you want a fcuntioning machine or not

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>>60906978
Should I bite the bullet anons?

Its completely spec out
>i7
>1tb NVIME SSD
>16gb of ddr4 ram

>>60907580
as long as you aren't paying for it, sure

>>60907329
I don't know which way you mean this, my desktop also has a hdd in it too

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>>60907380

>>60907765
fuck, replied to the wrong post, mean to reply to >>60907525

All right, I need some advice and reasoning. Should I purchase a T420 or a T520? I am coming from a pimped out T60 and I use Arch.

>>60907380
How the fuck do they make money? I feel like there's always some sort of sale going on.

>if I buy this month I get a tablet and HDD I can sell to recoup 150 shekels

Pull the trigger on a T470 now or wait for the T480/T25?

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My T420s arrives tomorrow but I already have buyers remorse and have decided I'm going to also get an X220 to be truly small.

What do I look for in a good X220?

I currently have the T510, getting the T420s, then X220... so I'll have the whole range of sizes. Should be comfy.

Why T420 is no longer recommended?

My ThinkPad randomly vibrates. It sounds like somebody's doing digging down the road or something. I only recently bought it but don't want to return it (lazy + got one in perfect condition despite being grade B). It's random and I don't believe it's the HDD (which I'm replacing with an SSD soon anyway). What do? I've never had to repair tech before.

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What ultraportable laptop do you recommend?

I have T420 and use it as my daily machine, but soon I'll be spending long period of time away from home, and I want something to use as media consumption device, at most I'll be need to play 1080p video files.

Battery life isn't important, small size is important since I want to have only one bag with all my stuff (clothes, toiletries, EDC, etc), and I'll be upgrading the drive to SSD.

I've considered getting PC tablet, but it was to thick, and since X230 specs are too much for what I intend to do.
X220 seems like a good idea, opinions?

Or should I look into surface pro?

>>60908021
I am using the T420 and I like it, it can everything I need (you can play minecraft with it without lags) and is reliable, also you can replace the hd screen with a hd+ screen. I don't shit about the T520 though and dont have any experience with...

>>60908021
T520 is inflated T420, if you plan to use it as stationary machine then W520/T520 is what you looking for if not then T420 is a compromise between large screen size and portability.

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Textured or non-textured touchpad?

>>60908982
HP EliteBook 2740p or Lenovo Thinkpad X201t

>>60908175
There is a huge profit margin.
The sale prices are the regular prices, the non-sale periods are reserved for impatient idiots (and corporate buyers with bulk discount).

How's HP EliteBook compatibility with GNU/Linux?

>>60909358
Depends on the model.
I wouldn't expect full support from models never than ivy bridge, although my 840 G2 (Broadwell) works fine with Debian.

>>60909402
What about protective features, and other stuff like fan and power management?

Why does CPU throttles after I added a second RAM?

Is it true that the backlit keyboards have shit texture? I heard that they are smooth instead of rough.

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X230,
Intel Core i5-3320M 2.60 GHz,
4GB DDR3,
320GB SATA

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>>60910059

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>>60910093
Worth $200?

>>60908982
>have T420
Get the X220, It's smaller than >>60909198 suggested and you don't want the digitizer even if you're drawfag.
X230 have better hardware but you probably need it even if you watch X265 1080p since sandy bridge can do that perfectly, and the new keyboard travel distance feels shallow IMO.

I have X220 with battery slice, I use it when I'm on my work days (work for 3 days then take 3 days off) and the battery last without the need to charge it whenever I'm at work, I get around 10-12 hours of it.

>>60910059
>>60910073
>>60910084
>>60910093
>>60910108
Seems fine, maybe you can haggle the price a little.
You need to test it first.

>>60910124

>haggle the price
Can't do that, it's a fixed price refurb sold by a company.

>test it first
They're offering a 20 days money-back option if unsatisfied and a 12 months warranty.

Going to get a T470 with the i5-7200u, 4gb RAM, and 1080p screen
I'm going to put in an SSD I have already and buy a 4GB stick of RAM from Amazon
Any problems with my master plan?

how many ram slots does the T460 have? could I have 2 drives in it?

>>60910191
What will you be using it for?

>>60910286
mostly for work, on the go
occasionally to plug-it to a hdtv and watch a movie
rarely for some light gaming

>>60910392
What kind of work?
>Light gaming
Like what?

>>60909141
Textured like the T60 for that absolutely premium feel

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what the hell is this monstrosity? someone's selling this on ebay as an x220.

>>60911394
the X220 is edited in.

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>>60911425
it's not though

>>60911484
that's x230 with x220 screen section. Probably someone broke the original screen and was forced to use x220 parts instead.

>>60911484
Looks like someone wanted the X230 hardware but with the X220 keyboard, and now sells the X220 with the X230 keyboard.

>Ordered a T420
>Got a T430
Not sure how to feel about this; what do I do?

>>60911643
Are you retarded?
>>60911394
it's clearly x230

>>60911662

keep it, nice unexpected upgrade :)

>>60910509
does it really matter? the HD 4000 can handle it

>>60912239
Well "light gaming" is ambiguous term.
Anyway go for it but make sure to test it.

>>60911394
>>60911515
this. lids are probably cross compatible
if theyre dumb enough to sell it for x220 prices then go pick it up
>>60911643
you can't install a x230 keyboard on a x220. the pins are different plus have fun with your mismatched keys.
also the bios says its a 3rd gen i5.
unless someone went out of their way to swap the mobo and buy a new chassis but keep the screen
youre retarded

>>60912262
I mean yeah but when you consider people play bf4 at 720p at medium - high depending on your ram or mgstpp on low, its a pretty good assumption to think that it can handle it

My X220's keyboard lights (the power ring, caps lock light etc) randomly stop working, is there anything I can do to stop this? It's driving me mad

How much should I pay for X220?
Core i5, 4GB of Ram, and 500GB HDD.

>>60912851
Hey /tpg/, I got a T400 from a family friend for free. The hard drive was dead as a doornail but that was easily solved by getting a new SSD on the cheap. I also got the Windows XP, Vista and 7 install discs with the computer. I proceeded to install Win 7 but didn't notice until after I was done and installed updates that it was 32-bit. Despite the fact that the computer has 4 gigs of RAM. Who the fuck uses this shit anytime after 2009?

Anyways, is there a way for me to get a legit copy of the 64-bit OS using the product key for the 32-bit version?

>>60912851
>>60913111
Didn't mean to reference that

guys, don't buy x230. I got one and I'm gonna switch to 2570p now
it overheats AF, palmrest is made of cheap plastic, one-key touchpad is unusable and it's too slow to even run chrome
Lenovo should be sued for selling this little piece of shit as a business laptop.

>>60913111
>Windows XP
Care to share it?
Also stick to the 32bit, the 64bit binaries takes too much RAM, and with 4GB you really don't have much to spare.

>>60913178
This has to be bait, right?

>>60913178
I agree about the touchpad, but the rest is simply untrue.

>>60912328
sounds like hell in anus

>>60913270
>t. pajeet

>>60907153
x1 carbon is really cheap from the Japanese site. Probably even cheaper if you have the Japanese corporate perks.
http://www3.lenovo.com/jp/ja/forms/wm-edm-opinedu/

>>60907580
Are you sure it's DDR4 RAM? Please double check.

>>60912851
i paid 400$ cad for it (refurb) from newegg xd 3 months ago

>>60913178
>I'm gonna switch to 2570p
Don't, just get X220.

>>60913515
>i paid 400$
What?

Can anyone give me the gestalt on X220/x230 screen upgrades?
I know that the simplest is to just upgrade to the IPS panel that was available in it, since it is just plug and play.
I also know that there are some 1080p mods, but they are not as easy to do. I know that there is one that makes the display port on the dock unusable, and then there is the Nitrocaster board, which allows for the use of the dock display port if properly set up from my understanding.
I could of sworn there was some other mod too, but I can't find it now.

How do these higher resolution screen effect battery life? I'm assuming they make it shorter, but by how much?

>>60913182
I probably could share it, but where would I upload the ISO, and why would you want it? Windows XP was already dead in terms of support when I graduated middle school three years ago.

As for the memory, there is only a single 4GB stick in there right now and I have a spare 4GB DDR3 stick lying around. So, in theory I could have 8GB (the maximum supported by the T400), but with the 32-bit OS, I'm limited to 2.46 GB because of the integrated graphics. I am wondering if I could recover the roughly 1 GB of memory reserved by the integrated graphics if I turned on dedicated only in the BIOS. This is not going to be my main machine (I got a T530 running Linux), it was just going to be used to run Windows-specific programs for university that may not work on Linux, as well as the accounting software for my family's small business.

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>>60906978
I just got a very nice X60s in mint condition on ebay for $80. I put in a new 128GB ADATA ssd, flashed Libreboot onto the BIOS, installed an Atheros wifi chip, and got the latest Linux-libre lts kernel. Stallman would give it his blessing :)

>>60913560
$400 cad so like 300 USD.

i5 300gb 4gb ram TN panel

>>60913425
I'm white mate. Also, I'm writing this on an X230 now.

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I've got a T410 I'm looking to put up on eBay and I'm wondering what might be a good price?

Specs:
i5 540M @ 2.53GHz
8GB DDR2 @ 535MHz (7-7-7-20)
NVIDIA NVS 3100M 256MB
500GB Hitachi HDD
BIOS Whitelist for WiFi

It's got a stock 2 wifi cards: the stock Intel 6200 AGN and an Atheros AR928X.

I have a 2 port USB 3.0 expresscard (GMYLE), a DVD/CDRW Ultra Bay, a spare HDD Ultra Bay caddy, and a stock AC adapter.

I also have a Docking Station Series 3 (no keys).
The battery is 8.7Ah and is stock.

It's good cosmetically minus a small piece of the bottom right corner is broken, but I have the piece and can glue it back.

I just redid the thermal paste with Arctic Silver MX4.

Do you think I could get $300 + shipping for that?

>>60913584
>where would I upload the ISO
MEGA? magnet link?
>why would you want it?
Because certain hardware have drivers for windows XP only, and I need to use it.

>>60913621
Still isn't it expensive?
I got T420 for 225$ with same specs.

>>60913926
yeah its expensive as fuck and i regret it because for the same price if not cheaper i could get x220 tablet with i5, 128gb ssd, 8gb ram and IPS Screen. shit just makes me mad.

but at least i had 2 day shipping :D

>>60913958
o ye and its my first thinkpad so i guess its goiung ot be worth in value more than the $ i paid becuz its first

>>60913958
The issue ktgee list unrealistic prices.
How can T420 be cheaper than X220.

>>60908682
who says that?

>>60914046
hp shills and x220 shills.
And third gen core i shills

>>60914076
i made my friend get T420 and i have a x220

>>60914087
What's your opinion on X220?

>>60914076
>>60914087
>>60914109
There is no longer a reason to get a Sandybridge ThinkPad. Read the fucking recommendation guide.

>>60914151
why not

>>60913863
lmao no

would be lucky to break $100

just start the bidding at $1 + $20 shipping and accept whatever you get for it

but $300 lol, you can get T430's for under $200 easily

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>>60914151
>Sandybridge
Why?

>>60907329
yes noob i did that when i got my x220 3 months ago

>>60914151
1)t420 is ivy bridge upgradable
2)sandy bridge is fine for all the work any one throws at it. The performance increase of ivy bridge as compared to sandy bridge while there, still isn't anything ground shattering. Power consumption is better on ivy bridge tho. Sandy bridge has the best performance per price value.

>>60911662
Buy a classic t420 keyboard and replace the existing one with it. Voilá, you have a t420 with t430 internals

Is the T420 good enough for AutoCAD? If not, which is a better pick?

>>60913178
Aren't the keys separated by a middle mouse button?
Also, why the hell haven't you replaced the keyboard with a classic one and x220 palmrest?
Also, who the hell uses bottom keys and touchpad on a thinkpad?

What computer does RMS use?

>>60914362
2) You save like $20 and lose USB 3 by not getting ivybridge

As for 1, lol. No. It's not just upgradable. There is not a single person on this board who has done the upgrade. You know WHY I know that? Because they wouldn't be recommending it. I've done it. You will break everything flashing coreboot and then struggle to get a working distro due to coreboot's compatability issues, and god forbid you need Windows - you'll need to reinstall Windows as Legacy and break compatibility even more. Ivy Bridge on xx20 is a fucking meme, literally NOBODY does it, and there is no reason to when an Ivy Bridge series ThinkPad is ~$20 more.

>>60914166
>>60914267
You guys fail 1st grade english class?

>>60914508
Yes, you might want to invest in more Ram and SSD though.

>>60914683
>USB 3
Anybody really using it?

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Should I pull the trigger?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/322529119017

>>60914109
best laptop i ever had (i had like 2 consumer trash, one gaming and used at lesat 7 other crap laptops)

>>60914683
>You guys fail 1st grade english class?
Please elaborate.

>>60914727
Do you take it with you or do you use it at home?

>>60908607
x220 here, awesome little machine, but I do a lot of programming and at times minor webdev shit so I need split screen or 2nd screen, which is fine you can hook up another monitor but it gets around 5-6t C hotter than usual so it gets up to 50-60 C at times, but its fine all in all - I put ssd and 8gigs of ram in it - it works really good

>>60914683
Strange. I've seen some jewtubers and r/thinkpad guys praising the ivy bridge upgrade.More like they were wowed by it. Do you think upcoming libreboot would solve distro incompatibility?

>>60914774
>ssd
mSATA, or ExpressCard?

>>60914840
It might. Have libreboot devs even confirmed that Ivy will work when it comes to xx20?

They said they might give up on making it fully libre because they can't completely get rid of ME, they're planning on just stubbing it out like you can do with coreboot already and call it a day if they don't crack it by year's end.

I somehow doubt they can magically get Ivy working better than coreboot, which has worked on xx20 systems for quite some time now. If anything, they're going to borrow coreboot code to do it.

>>60914755
i take it with me eveyrtime i leave the house, even when i have to uby a drink or something.

Does 4K playback on the X220 stutter? Does the DisplayPort version handle 4K 60Hz?

>>60914722
please respond

>>60914907

>even when i have to uby a drink or something.
>taking a laptop out to go get a drink or snack

You have severe autism.

>>60906978
What thinkpad is stallman using in that picture?

>>60914879
>>60914683
Thanx for the info, m8! I might as well buy an x230 now instead of t420.

>>60914845
just regular ssd that you put in the hdd slot, my mSATA slot is free, but by the time I have money for more I will by another laptop

>>60914926
x60. I have an x61 and it's shit so I can only imagine how shit an x60 is

>>60914947
Oh thats the same thinkpad I have. Cool.

>>60914912
it gets super hot when I play 4k stuff like 75 C

>>60914924
no

>>60914907
Do you use a certain bag?
I'm thinking of getting X220 since I travel between two towns very often, and have one bag for everything is better.
Is it a hindrance with long distance travel?

>>60914722
>Laptop may have minor scuffs and scratches due to typical use. Please look at all pictures
What's the return policy?

>>60915006
no i just use a random laptop bag.

im planning to get a thinkpad topload because it looks cool but its $60

>>60915028
it says that on everything they sell
>Seller does not offer returns.
it doesn't look bad though

>>60914946
How big is the SSD?

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>>60915033
>thinkpad topload
Get a backbag, more space and better protection.

>>60915040
It's too good to be true.

>>60914722
>>60915028
>>60915040
>>60915130
Learn from me my laptop said
>Laptop is in good functional and cosmetic condition. Minor wear and tear but does not affect the functionality of the device.
in the descirption when i bought it, when I got it though it had a noticeable amount of rubber off the sides and some nasty sticker residue on the lid (that I since wiped off) but it's nothing too bad i guess so after I get rid of computrace (another thing to look out for) I'll probally keep it.

>>60915110
backpacks remind me too much about schools. are u sure?

>>60915228
Depends on what you'll need to take with you.
X220+power adabter+ small things.
Top loading would do.
If you need more I think a backbag would be better.
>remind me too much about schools
Why is that a con?

>>60915206
alright. it doesn't look too bad so I might go ahead with it

>>60915265
well everyone in schools have backpacks but not everybody has a advanced "business" topload?!?! :D


also ye. irght now i have a shitty bag that i carry a waterbottle, charger, thinkpad, some papers and a few antenna

>>60915282
Business people use backpacks too

>>60915297
lol i mostly seen suitcases

why does GMan from hl2 use suitcase then :D

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>>60915282
I have this, got it for 20$.
I use when going to work because I have to spend few days there.
T420, power adapter, mouse, universal power adapter, EDC, change of clothes and underwear, etc, all can fit
It get heavy but I don't walk much with it.
Also I like the small pocket because I can use it store silica gel bags in there without having to open the whole bag.

>>60915372
>why does GMan from hl2 use suitcase then
Because he's an alien.

Bought a refurb T440p for $220, shit's pristine. Gonna replace with a t450 touchpad because it's shit, though.

Anyone else got one of these? I might review it if you goys are interested.

>>60915403
yeah be sure to make an epic youtube video with your autistic mumbling voice telling us the specs and how great the keyboard is

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>>60915394
>alien

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>60915423
I prefer my x201 keyboard

>>60906978
Just bought a t420s on ebay. Anything negatives I should expect? I know the screen is not fantastic.

>>60913475
Cheaper than $984 usd for the base model?
Makes no sense to me.

>>60915481
almost no thinkpad screens are good, even the IPS models have dull color

>>60915501
wrong

>>60915507
The only good thinkpad screen I've seen is on the X1 carbon, and even there the colors look a bit off.

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>>60906978
Rate my thinkpad.

>Stallman
>hates non-free software of any kind
>liken him to Chuck on "Better Call Saul"

Would love to see what Stallman would do if you could sneak in some non-free software on his laptop, watch him use it for a period of time, then reveal to him his laptop has non-free software on it.

Wonder if he'd spaz the fuck out with a massive anxiety attack and then pass out after going into a seizure of epic proportions.

That guy needs to just go, I don't know where but he really just needs to fucking go.

>>60915575
He only uses emacs. I'm not kidding.

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>>60915575
Fuck off. Stallman is my spirit animal.

>>60914722
>3920xm
>not 3940xm
into the trash it goes

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I'm that guy from last thread who got X131e.
I've been wondering if I should update it to 8GB RAM. Is it worth it? Running at 4GB now.

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>>60915110
>more space
[doubt]

>>60915631
I guarantee you can't tell the difference using one over the other. and no thinkpads came with a 3940xm iirc

>>60915650
Woah man, that's nice. What models are those?

>>60915705
w530 does
50MHz more on iGPU is worth it

>>60913863

$50

>>60915782
it has a type number, but i don't remember what it is and most people will just list them as "ibm thinkpad bag" instead.

>>60915918
I was asking about ThinkPad models, not the bag

>>60915572
How's GNU/Linux support for touch features?

>>60915933
oh my bad
in order of appearance, x201s, t420, w520, 15" t60

>>60913863
>DDR2
no, it's DDR3

>>60914684
Alright, thanks anon

>>60914706
are you mentally retarded?

>>60914706
yes

my flash drives are all USB 3.0, and I regularly use a USB 3.0 to SATA cable

phone can use it, but personally I never transfer files to/from phone, just used for charging, but it can if I needed to

>>60915882
found one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122535016884
>$1,000
hmmmmm

>>60915639
8 GB is a minimum for me, go for it. More RAM for Chrome.

>>60915650
>4 thinkpads
Assuming each is 5 cm thick then you get 20cm, smae as backbag.

>>60913178
Nice try hp shill.

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Yo /tpg/,
You memed hard enough for me to buy a W520 with a dock (and a bunch more irrelevant tp stuff), and now I have a problem that is probably a dock problem in general, but might be a thinkpad problem.
Seemingly randomly (sometimes it works consistently, sometimes it doesn't work consistently) when I disconnect from my dock my laptop shuts down immediately, so I think it just doesn't have power suddenly.
This happens with a full battery, and then if I wait a couple of seconds it will turn on with the press of a button.
My best guess is either that it is somehow not connecting/disconnecting correctly, though I'd think that it would simply switch to battery as a laptop does when the cord is tugged. Or that this is a unique fault of the dock/thinkpad and I need to replace something.
Please.
Halp.

>>60916012
what OS and what are your power settings for closing the lid? does the power button on the dock work?

>>60914076
>liking anything makes you a shill

>>60915968
Well, you need compatible device to work with it, and those are generally expensive.
And unless you work need to transfer large sized files very fast it's useless.
>>60915970
The only thing I can think of would be to use those as LiveUSB.

>>60916127
>Well, you need compatible device to work with it, and those are generally expensive.

what? USB 3.0 is the standard for everything now

>>60916146
Only for USB flash drives and external HDD.

>>60916170
which is like 100% of devices connected to laptops by normal people?

>>60912328
I think the keyboard connector on the motherboard has a bent pin, can I unbend it with a paper clip or something or do I need a new MB?

>>60916170
I mean I guess you don't need the data transfer speeds for keyboards and mice...

I have an i7 X220 running Ubuntu but it's USB 3.0 port seems to keep fucking up, I can use it if I quickly insert it after booting, but when taking it out and putting it back in it doesn't register anymore. I've seen a bugzilla report from a while back but couldn't get any fixes, anyone ran into this?

>>60916191
Maybe but what do you need that speed for?
Sharing data? That's what ExpressCard SSD was made for.
The only good thing about USB 3 is newer power management.
And USB 3 is still buggy like >>60916245 said

>>60916217
Those uses pooling.

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>>60916369
>says USB 3 is buggy
>recommends ExpressCard

>>60914194

rolf

>>60906978
Is it worth to buy a 1600x900 HD+ Screen for the T420 and replacing the 1366x768 screen?

>>60916462
What's wrong with expresscard?
and don't use eGPU as an example.

>>60916486
ExpressCards are buggy as hell, ExpressCard SSD's are expensive as hell, consumer laptops do not have ExpressCard slots, desktops do not have ExpressCard slots, so I'm not sure how exactly you plan on sharing data with them

meanwhile USB 3.0 has been the standard for everything for the past 5 years

>>60916486
I've been thinking about an eGPU for a while now
I haven't looked a ton into it but what's wrong with them? I'm not opposed to having to fiddle with something for it to work if need be. Additionally the graphics card I have in it is fine as is but who would be satisfied? I just want more power.

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would (any) core-i7-equipped x230 outperform an i7 t440s or x240 assuming all had equal amounts of RAM?
From what I understand the latter 2 models use a lower voltage, ultrabook cpu, but I'm wondering if they managed to improve battery life WITHOUT sacrificing power.

>>60916577
lol at that picture

>>60916551
>ExpressCard SSD's are expensive as hell
128GB for 40$ is expensive?
>Buggy
Like what? the only issues I could find where Win7 related.
>consumer laptops do not have ExpressCard slots
And?
>desktops do not have ExpressCard slots
Unless you regularly upgrade your desktop, you won't get USB 3 ports either.
>>60916563
It can be pain in the ass to get it working.
But it provide small significant boost to graphic performance, especially if you use 3D rendering.

>>60916577
x230 came with i7-3520M, X240/T440s came with i7-4600U

quick googling says the i7-3520m beats the 4600U in nearly all benchmarks, so yes

>>60915944
Awful. When trying to draw in gimp the mouse randomly goes all over the screen and makes random lines.

how is x220 performing with arch gnome?

>>60916369
Again, are you mentally retarded? Have you EVER used USB 3.0 devices?
No it's not buggy. Ubuntu support for such devices is. And x220 is using non-intel controller which is known to be shit, so your point is invalid.
>what do you need that speed for?
???????
To wait less for the files to move into another drive? Are you fucking serious?
All external HDDs got read/write speeds of at least 100MBps. USB 2.0 is 28MBps in ideal situation of just one big file being transferred. Even my cheap as fuck Sandisk 32GB USB 3.0 flash drive has read speeds of 150MBps.

Kill yourself.

Can anyone give me a rundown of the pros and cons between the T420 and X220?
What are some worthwhile upgrades you can make to these machines, what configurations should I be looking for, how many hard drives/ssds do they support?

Right now I'm looking at X220's and wondering if getting an i7 version is worth it for USB 3.0?

Another unrelated question: can you do gpu passthrough with an external gpu connected through the express card slot?

>>60916821
Get x230. Why do you want to buy sandy bridge trash so much?

>>60916821
T420 can take two 2.5" hard drives + mSATA SSD, X220 can take one 2.5" (7mm height) hard drive + mSATA SSD

T420 has real shit screens, X220 stock screens are good, can be upgraded to 1920x1080 IPS screen for another $120~.

T420 has a socketed CPU and can be swapped out.

also, all *30 series have USB 3.0 and significantly better graphics performance.

12.5" or 14" display?

>>60906978
Why is Stallman so fucking based?

>>60915650
>all that weight on your shoulder
Enjoy being a cripple

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can you power on+log in via fingerprint reader with linux?

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>Thinkpads are cheap

>>60914966

Does it stutter though? I don't care that much about temps.

>>60907329
wut? You have the exclusive possibility to use a msata ssd on a chip card + a regular ssd drive.
you'd be nuts not to, first thing I did.

>>60909141
Textured disable-touchpad-in-bios touchpad.

>>60916821
x220 got a very niceips, i've seen no screen as comfortable. higher resolution and better spec sure but comfy no...

>>60917362
>New ThinkPads.

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will flashing coreboot on a t530 remove computrace?
why is computrace and how does it work?

>>60915228
i used laptop back pack for like 5-6 years in Uni - and i am glad i got it.
if i had a bag my back woudl kill me, several times i packed it up 10+Kg with bullshit, now imagine that in a bag on one shoulder - you will carry the bag or back pack, so whitch is more comfy? Imagine carry it a whole day.

>>60916699
>To wait less

just bought a x230 off some kid for $100. when I bought it he said it was "popular on 4chan" so here I am. why is this dadbook so popular and what is it good for

>>60916470
Yes, make sure to get the LG/Alienware screen.

>>60913913
Why don't I just send you the disc. Serves no purpose for me.

>>60917362
X1 isn't a real Thinkpad

>>60917987
it's cheap and good at computer things

>>60918005
I live in war zone.

>>60917270
I have this question too, although I recall reading that this functionality was buggy.

>>60917798
>The Agent in question is a PCI Option ROM embedded version found
on most notebook BIOS, and some Desktop BIOS systems as well.

Yes. It's in the BIOS, so removing the vendor BIOS gets rid of it.

However, if you ever flash back, it will return.

>>60917990
glossy or matte?

should I buy a 770x that's in good condition for 45 dollars?

>>60918345
why would anyone want glossy is the real question

>>60918345
>>60918689
You have to buy glossy. The Alienware only had glossy panels, so any matte panels will actually be "compatible" pieces of shit with inferior viewing angles and colors. Might even be worse than the stock T420 panel.

>>60917990
>>60918729
Can't you stick the matte thinkpad x1 carbon panel into the t420? I could of sworn that you could also stick in a t440 screen with one of those mod boards.

>>60918729
no kidding...

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Use this pic to start the next thread, OP.

>>60918858
that's a lemote thing
and stallman sucks

>>60918784
You can put the X1C screen in, but it's not a drop-in replacement, you have to extend the display cable.

Is a refurbished T420 with a 2nd gen i5 worth it?

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>>60906978
For security, is it recommended that I flash the BIOS? I was only going to wipe the HD.
Is there anything to look for in the BIOS that might indicate some security compromise?

>>60918939
Depends, for what will you be using it?

>>60918999

mostly dev

>>60918939
for the right price sure

"refurbished" doesn't mean anything

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Any Thinkpads with a SIM Card slot? If not, are there any USB SIM adapters that work well?

>>60906978
Where are these pictures taken? Is he out in public doing this? Won't somebody stop him?

>>60919150

240 dollarydoos

My x220 gets scolding hot what do

>>60919243
Most thinkpads have them

>>60919329
Repaste

>>60919243
I'm pretty sure that most thinkpads have them. Even my edge e531 has one, and that's a shitty bottom of the barrel "thinkpad".

>>60919264
way too much for a T420

>>60919329
quit running cpu intensive programs?

>>60919357
Okay, but I pasted just last year.
>>60919464
B-b-but dwarf fort

>>60919464

local price, can't get otherwise

>>60919122
Dev?
Need to compile stuff?

>>60910201
Personally, I would get an x270 if anything. But of course your use case might not make it worth it. But the specs are so similar, it makes enough sense just to get the 270.

>>60919264
Boarderline.
250$ is the maximum amount.

>>60919329
How hot and when?

>>60919566

yes, is it very slow?

>>60919593
Burned my hand a little.

>>60919583

4gb ram
500gb hdd

>>60919596
well it's a 5 year old dual-core i5

>>60919366
Is it easy to use SIM internet on Arch?

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>>60919632
>Is it easy to ... on Arch?

>>60919596
Kinda, and you'll need more RAM.
You're better of getting a desktop for that kind of thing.
>>60919607
Apply cold water.

>>60919614
For same specs I'd say 230$ depending on your country.

>>60919706

I got a 4gb ram stick laying around, but surely it will deliver with 2 + 2

Also yes, I got a decent desktop machinebut i was looking to buying a laptop, guess no thinkpad then

>>60919720

plus free delivery

>>60919483
I repaste every week. The minty smell gets noticable really quick otherwise. How do you wait a year?

>>60919768
>no thinkpad
It's not just thinkpad, laptops aren't good for that kind of stuff in general.
If you'll be compiling every now and then it would be fine.
But you'll be compiling a lot and that takes time, even if you get something like W570.

>>60919931

yes every now and then

guess i'll have to save more for a modern one or some other shit

anyway, thanks

Am I gonna be able to run TF2 on a T240?

Has anybody tried an eGPU setup on a T530? What did you use? Also, I've read that in order to make it work with the internal LCD, you need NVIDIA Optimus. Is this true and how does it work? Asking before I go on a hunt for a 750Ti or a 950.

>>60920209
do not try to use the internal display for an egpu
you're already bandwith starved, you don't want to make it any worse
>>60920027
tf2 runs at a potato so I don't know why it wouldn't
>>60919931
w series stopped after the 550/541
and most laptops are perfectly fine for programming, just don't compile every 10 minutes and you'll be fine

>>60908938
If it isn't the HDD it's the fan, those are the only moving parts. There's a hardware repair manual from Lenovo.

>>60908982
Honestly I had a surface pro 3, if you can find a pro 3 or 4, I'd go with it. It's louder than the x220 but it really was a great little device.

>>60920677
Oh, well, I was planning on getting a monitor anyways, but it might have to be small because I have a bit of space restraints.

What is a good monitor that is at least HD+ (900p), and is 20" or less?

Also, my adapter makes this high pitched noise when I use my T530, and it varies in frequency whenever I highlight certain items on screen. Is it close to shit itself or is it a normal behavior?

>>60914722


update: he reduced it to $380 and I went ahead and bought it along with a classic keyboard and palmrest to swap over

>>60920779
Does it varry with load?
I'd probably look into replacing it sometime soon
for a monitor anything 1080p that you find used on ebay or CL.
It's just not worth it to buy new 1080p monitors anymore.

>>60916821
>Another unrelated question: can you do gpu passthrough with an external gpu connected through the express card slot?

Yes, actually. Just enable Vt-d in the settings.
I had that jury-rigged setup for a while, and it worked pretty well for what it was. I paired it with a 960, and between that and the i5 in my x220, it ran just about everything I threw at it at 1080p 30fps with drop (even stuff like The Witcher 3). The CPU will be a huge bottleneck, though. Feel free to ask any other questions you have about this setup.

>>60920829
I'm not quite sure, it tends to sound a little bit louder when I hover the mouse over a button, and at times it simply shuts up, just to come back later.

>>60920994
Not that guy, but now that you mention this it is kind of interesting; I might switch to loonix now and run my games on a VM.

What distro do you recommend and why is it Arch/Gentoo?

>>60921215
I prefer Arch (or easy babby versions like Antergos/Manjaro) in general just because the package management is really easy. Additionally, most of the guides I've read on the subject were written by Arch users, which makes them easier to follow. But, as far as distros go, But really, anything works- except distros with slower releases (like Ubuntu), those seem to be more of a hassle.

>>60921215
Yeah that's really strange
I'd put a new charger on your list to get some time soonish, but I doubt it would cause and problems for now.

Also just remember that pcie pass through isn't perfect, and has lots of issues.
For you you almost always have to reboot to enable or disable it
and 2 it's just straight up finiky for no damn reason

>>60921786
So I can't just simply unplug the EC PCIe adapter and call it a day, then.
What do I do? Do I enable/disable the device via, say, Device Manager on Windows and then reboot to use/remove the eGPU?
Sounds kinda bothersome, but I could get used to it if it gives me a fair increase in graphics performance compared to the housefire 54nm NVS 5400M...

>>60921910
I have no idea how the hell you'd do it with windows
but with esxi when I do gpu passthrough I toggle it under the pci pass through settings, then when I reboot I can't use the device at all on the physical machine.
Then I can set VMs to be able to receive the passthrough device, and about 70% of the time it actually passes through and works

Since it's a laptop just stick with a normal egpu setup. Those are finiky enough as it is, no need to throw pci passthrough in to mess it up even more.

>>60921949
I'll just go with dual boot, then.
I have been on the edge of dropping back to 7, but something tells me that if I should ever see the need of using Windows it should rather be 10 Pro or Enterprise; Home just plain sucks because of all the limitations on telemetry and stuff.
I'm already on LTSB and to be fair I don't see much of an improvement. I don't know if it has to do something with the fact that I'm using this crappy Hitachi HDD that squeaks at times, but I tried using dGPU only at one time just to find out the performance dropped about 20%.
>inb4 gaming on a laptop, let alone a business grade one
Yeah, I know, but my possibilities are limited and every day that passes on I have less time to be at home, so that's why I'm going with this setup for the times when I'm home and maybe disable the dGPU altogether since it is kind of battery hungry.
Sorry for the blog.

>>60922002
Honestly if you've got the money for an egpu I'd just say keep the thinkpad as a general use laptop, then find an older used gaming laptop for when you're on the go.
You can find some laptops that perform extremely well for 3-400, and if you send a bit more you could get one of those turbo gaymen laptops with mxm gpus and you could replace the gpu after a while when you want better performance.

>>60922020
What about that EliteBook 8770w I keep hearing about? Or are there any other models with MXM graphics?

>>60922046
No idea about that model, but I had an 8740w and it had an mxm gpu
But my problem with HPs is they never seem to be able to cool themselves properly
Sure probably a more moden gpu would output less heat, but the laptop is still going to run hotter than hell under load.

>>60922058
I'll just have to keep on a lookout, then. Oh, well, thanks for the advice. I might just pump up the CPU to a 3x20QM to give it a slight future proofing and maybe increase iGPU performance.

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Just got my T420s

>Win 7 Pro product key provided by ProdKey does not activate Windows 10 when I install from scratch
>the Win 7 Pro product key on the sticker in battery compartment did activate Windows 10
>Chrome is already installed and the BIOS date is in 2012 so I know they guy fucked with it
>computer has some Intel BootAgent bullshit getting in the way of BIOS options
>install Windows 10

realize the seller misrepresented the monitor size as 1600 x 900 but it's limited to 1080 x 768 ... which makes me think this might actually be the 1366 x 768 monitor???

Maybe it is a driver issue. Updating Win10 right now then will download the Lenovo drivers.

Shouldn't the display go into max resolution without manufacturer drivers? Did the seller (or someone) replace the LCD?

If this is in fact a screen that wasn't listed on the ebay listing.... can I make the seller pay return shipping?

Also the topcase has a chip in the corner but I looked again on the product photos and it's there...wasn't disclosed in the text though.

What do?

>>60922212
the resolution problem is because you don't have the graphics drivers installed yet

look up the serial number on lenovo's site, it'll tell you all of the original hardware specs, screen resolution etc

>>computer has some Intel BootAgent bullshit getting in the way of BIOS options
this is a problem

>>60922273
I was able to get around it and the Lenovo bios doesn't have any of the power on / administrator / HD passwords set, so I'm good. BootAgent is just some thing where it looks to a LAN or WAN connection to boot an image. Seems sloppy that they left it on there... and also very sloppy that the fucking BIOS date is 5 years ago.

Also I'm confused about why the product keys don't match (sticker and extracted from ProdKey). the sticker looks like it is coming up on the sides, but it appears to be genuine.

The ProdKey supplied key did not activate Win10 but the one on the sticker did.

just got a new w520 and also a 1080 led screen.. problem is when i installed the new screen it didn't work. so then i tried switching back to the original and now that doesn't work either.
what the fuck do i do
I made sure it worked before i messed with the screen. it has an output to tv but i can't get it to output to either screen

>>60916012
Something is wrong, that is not normal. Do what the other anon said and check your settings for oddities

I bet you run windows, it's power settings for thinkpads are all fucked up by default imo

>>60918005
Upload the iso to pirate bay or somethin and help some people out

Old discs are getting to be a little rare these days

>>60919864
...minty?

>>60919264
You can usually find good i5 ones for around 125-150 in USA at least, look for bulk sellers

Why is he pouring water out of a teapot? Isn't the point to make tea?

>>60914670
https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html

>>60919676
What did frogposter mean by this?

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>>60906978
Should i buy this? It's priced in canuckbucks. I'm also installing linux on it

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Got my T420s up and running with Windows 10

It's

C O M F Y
O
M
F
Y

I should have not waited to put W10 on my T510. I'll do that this weekend.

I like the small size so much. Going to buy an X220 when I see a good one.

>>60920717
>surface pro 3
I've started to consider this.
Can you run GNU/Linux?

>>60922212
>the Win 7 Pro product key on the sticker in battery compartment did activate Windows 10
What?

>>60924052
I downloaded the Win10 ISO from the MS site

Used some tool to make it bootable USB

Input my Win 7 Pro product key, according to the sticker on this chinkpad I bought on ebay

Win 10 activated as a Pro version

no fuss no muss

>>60924107
I thought that product key was for Win7 only.
Maybe you're using "handycapped" option?

>>60924130
I was reading up on how to do that, but I never was presented with the option to do so. I just entered the key I had and went with it.

Downloaded the ISO straight from the MS website about a week ago.

I dunno.

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How sturdy are the internal SATA connections for T420/X220?
I want to get few small sized SSDs. and install different OSs on it, and swap it very often, Just like RPi. and by doing so I'd get rid of multibooting hassles.

>>60924208
this is my fetish

I was a lifeguard for 5 years in hs and college and I get turned the fuck on by babes in swimsuits.

>>60924130
Most sellerrs are lazy and just use pre activated windows installs using either generic keys that will stop working in 7 days, or just use some sort of activation tool.
>>60922212
>Shouldn't the display go into max resolution without manufacturer drivers
no, and don't use the lenovo drivers for graphics they're really out of date 99% of the time, and 1024x768 is almost always the default res when you dont have drivers.

>>60924786
>pre activated windows installs
Additional botnet?

Is there anything out there with a quality keyboard like the thinkpad, but more current?

>>60906978
Wew lawd
>Stallman comes to do a talk in my university (spain)
>He is drinking tea all the time
>In a moment he stops the talk and asks if someone can bring him another keetle
>The fucking dean goes to bring him one
>He asks how is it called in spanish ("Tetera")
>He starts laughing
>After 30 seconds he says "Tetera? if so where are the boobies" (Boob in spanish is "teta")
>The teachers leave out a forced laugh
>He continues the talk

>>60912298
you can, actually. Just have to tape a pin from the ribbon cable and patch the BIOS

>>60917362
Who the fuck ever said new TPs are cheap? Buy refurbished.

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>latitude
My dick might be small but nobody else at my uni has a battery that lasts as long as mine

>>60925839
>Stallman implied "Tetera" means a bunch of tits
And I thought I was stupid

>>60926100
How many cells? I'm assuming it's a OEM battery

>>60926136
Six. I bought it New old stock. I also carry around 5- 6 aftermarket batteries most of the time for an additional 2- 3 hours each. The primary one lasts about ten if I don't run X or Wayland.

>>60921786
>>60921949
I'm this anon >>60920994, and I just wanted to mention how I didn't run into these problems at all in qemu. It just werked.

Here's a good guide for it if you're curious.
https://bufferoverflow.io/gpu-passthrough/

>>60906978
Proud owner of a refurb x220

This is a comfy as fuck machine

Do the L and, for instance, the X or T series differ in robustness? I used a L430 today and it didn't feel sturdy.

>>60923876
>windows
Install gnu/linux.

>>60925958
Wow you're both retarded and partially wrong
That's the other way round where you put the x220 keyboard in the x230
And that's not bios it's the embedded controller
You tape off the two pins because they've been separated in the x230
Which you also don't even have to. You can just leave them alone and nothing happens

>>60906978
stop putting HP models in the title or half this board won't see the thread idiots.

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>>60915006
>>60915110
dis is my current bag btw

>>60927282
Yes, that's what I read in one of the links above in op. L/E<T/x

>>60928214
Dude get a better bag.
Also is that a spinner?

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>>60928273
this bag was bought at local store so i got jewd for 40 canadian $


and ye i got the spinner $1 usd

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>>60928273
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/282511347533

is this gud?
what do u recommand

>>60928403
a proper backpack

>>60928403
Expensive.
What do you usually carry and what distance you travel and using what?

>>60928494
i am looking fomr something advanced, laptop, papersz, charger (fgt), bottle and 24cm of antenna

>>60928764
Then you'd need a backbag.
>bottle
Wut?

>>60927648
Oh, it's just taping two pins? I thought you had to separate them or swap them or something.
Thanks for the heads up, will do the mod as soon as I can get my hands on a T420 keyboard

>>60928764
Use a backpack, bags suck unless you have the habit of using it on one side one day, then on the other one next day, and so on.
Besides, they distribute weight more equally on your back and allow you to carry your shit without having to smoosh and force it all in.
>>60928823
He most likely refers to a water bottle

>>60928872
you dont have to tape them. its a meme

>>60925958
>you can't install a x230 keyboard on a x220
>you can, actually. Just have to tape a pin from the ribbon cable and patch the BIOS
you got reading problems?
you didnt even read thinkwiki right

>>60928917
Everything is a meme

Also new thread
>>60929132
>>60929132

>>60922812
>>60916012
>w520 sudden shutdown

There's a fix