/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Was pretty surprised to see that in multithreaded workloads, the 6 cores R5 1600 is actually slightly better than the 6 cores 6800k, didn't think it would be thatway

>>60422608
4k even on older games is unlikely, unless we're talking very very old games.
You might want to get an hard drive on top of that because 500GB might not be enough for your gaming + three os + gaming needs, not sure if the case can accomodate for a 3.5" but you can always look at 2.5" hard drive too

Other than that there's not much to say, it's a pretty good build. Might wanna save money by cracking windows instead

When would you need multiple EPS connectors on a power supply? I see reviews complaining about PSUs that have only one EPS connector. Would that just be for multi cpu boards?

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I need a new GPU. What should I get to go with m y current build? Want to stay around $200, give or take $50

>>60422777
What GPU do you currently have?
You could go for an RX 470, it's a decent upgrade but not really that worth the money from what you have. An rx 580 would make more sense, i'm fairly sure you can find those for $230

Anyone else has fluctuating temperature in Ryzen Master from 30C to 40C at idle?(got 1600x)
Or is it reporting from core to core?
Seems weird that it changes every second. Have a feeling I messed up thermal paste, would be a pain to rebuild everything.

>>60422792
Its and AMD Radeon 7850. It has served me well, but I just upgraded my mobo and processor and want to do this next. I am going to sell most of my old build to try and offset the cost.

>>60422777
only one choice in that range right now - rx580

>>60422816
Do you suppose that would get me running newer games on high settings pretty well? That may be a dumb question, I apologize

>>60422705
4k gaming is kind of wishful thinking, yeah. Mostly wondering if the 1050 ti can swing that on something along the lines of Mount & Blade Warband. And I'll take the HDD advice, but so far I've been managing fine on 500 GB dual booting Windows/Ubuntu with a macOS VM. The case holds 2.5" drives.

Any other good and fairly priced slim ITX cases besides Silverstone?

>>60422777
At the moment, it's either the RX 580 8GB or the GTX 1060 6GB. There really aren't other options, unless you happen to find a good deal on a 980Ti.

>>60422843
even at 1440p.

>>60422858
>>60422867
Awesome, thanks muh nerds. I will start looking around for either one of those

>>60422858
Are there any brands that I should avoid?

>>60422896
asus overpriced, and cheaper gigabyte models
you get for amd sapphire or xfx
no idea what is good for nvidia

You're all faggots who couldn't build your way out of a wet paper bag

>>60422977
are you angry because we don't want you as the OP?

>>60422977
Thanks! :D

>Freesync2

4K, freesync 2 and Fat vega are all I need to complete my build. Alas freesync 2 is seemingly nowhere to be seen on any product (iirc none are even announced).

Are Windows 10 keys on Kinguin legit?

>>60423201
will confirm that it's legit; got 10 pro and office home&business recently
BUT you still have to use KMSpico to activate windows
was able to go through the phone activation for office

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>create the perfect builds
>/pcbg/ doesn't recognize my talent in part picking

>>60423234
If you have to use a crack to insert a key, it's not a legit key.

>>60423265
im sure your build is great anon

>>60423307
to be honest, I probably could have activated it through the phone, but I didn't go through the touchtone instructions correctly and gave up after the first call lol

I'm getting a Corsair 270R and want to put two 140mm fans in the front for intake. Being that the only way for air to come in is through the side grills on the front panel do I get static pressure or airflow fans? Does it matter? I won't be using a radiator.

>>60422957
Is the RX580 Strix (not top) then better compared to the Gigabyte AORUS? I feel like it is based on some research but I want to double check

>>60423387
I'd like to know this as well (but for an S340, similar situation). I'm inclined to say SP since it has to pull in through the sides and through an air filter.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g9Xsr7

I THINK this will be my final build list, but I'm open to suggestions. Yes, the SSD was mainly picked to continue the red/black theme.

>>60423558
Why not 2x4GB?
Dual channel is always great to ahve

>>60423570
Plan to add a second 8GB stick later on for 16GB.

>>60422573
SMT > HT by a lot. Like 30% on average.

12 AMD threads is like having 13.8 Intel threads when it comes to something multithreaded.

>>60422777
You can get an RX570. But your 3570k is going to bottleneck.
Hell, my i5-2500k was bottlenecking my 7970, and the RX570 is at least 70% faster on average.

>>60422843
Um yeah. RX570 will run 99.95% of games maxed at 1080p 60fps+.
The RX580 is even quite good at 1440p, which is why I'd recommend just getting the RX570 as it's already overkill for you but it's very good value.

>>60423707
What did you clock your 2500K to?

>>60423103
Same. :(
I think some Freesync2 will be announced at Computex. I don't know. It'd really suck to not have any this year.

Like I don't even feel I need to upgrade anymore now that I replaced my i5-2500k with a 1600X.
I thought my 7970 was showing age, but it was that my i5-2500k was bottlenecking it (plus a fresh Windows install helped).
I'm getting 50% higher average FPS in most games now, and like 100,000% higher minimum FPS.
The most demanding game I've played lately is For Honor, which still does 60fps on my 7970 in the 1v1 and 2v2 modes which are the only modes I like.
... and this is at 1920x1200, not 1080p.

If Freesync 2 monitors aren't coming out this year, I think I'll just get an RX560 to have a smaller and lower power card. Only bad thing about this 7970 is that they are big and hot.

I see no point in upgrading GPU except for 4K HDR10.

>>60423738
I haven't had it over 4GHz.
Even if I I did put it up to 4.5GHz, it's still a lot worse than the 1600X with the much lower IPC and only 4 threads.

It's too hot to go higher. I live in a warm climate.
My 1600X is cooler than my 45w TDP Haswell i7 laptop CPU.

>>60423603
Just make sure that it's the same speed and has the same timing if you don't get the exact same brand/series next time.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tcCJD8

full time couch gaming rig that would be overclocked and left to perform

>>60423860
Going to get the same exact brand/model so no worries.
No issues other than that? I think it's pretty solid.

>>60423862
>LED RAM
Y tho?
I would get a hard drive too, for bulk files and possibly a local backup. Hitachi has 2TB 7200 rpm drives for like $55 on amazon right now, but they're SATA II speeds, although you're not going to see full bandwidth usage on them anyways.

>>60423881
Most of it's fine. I would get a gold rated psu though, preferably from seasonic. They go on sale every now and then so I'd say look for a deal if you can wait a little.

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>>60422552
I need a new psu, I'd like gold efficiency but im not 100% on that if I can save some serious money
Needs to be at least 1000w, yes I know that's a lot but I have a lot of hardware in this computer
Needs to be fully modular
I would like a long warranty if possible
Last thing is it has to be from newegg, I have store credit from a previous RMA.
Looking at the seasonic prime gold 1000w, anything else I could look at for a better price but with similar quality?

>>60423954
4x titan xp, 2 cpus, and 128gb ram? With 10 HDDs?

>>60423977
close, not quite
6 hdd, 2 and soon to be 3 ssd, 8350 overclocked, 16gb of ram, an overclocked fury x and a 480, infiniband card, dual ethernet nic, tv tuner, and then the hand full of fans (2 on cooler and 2 in the case)
it isnt that im doing incredible things with new hardware, its that old amd stuff drinks it like a motherfucker

Are there any 4K 144hz IPS monitors on the market yet?

>>60424016
Wouldn't it make more sense to get a 1600X or 1700 to save 200 watts than to buy a 1000w PSU?

>>60424050
I don't think so. 100hz is going to be more likely because I don't think any cables can transfer 4k 144hz at the moment.

>>60424246
for me to switch to a 1600/1700 would cost 400-500 bucks, where right now buying a 1000w power unit costs me no more than 80 since i have credit from the RMA. It makes way more sense, and I'm planning on it later this year, but i need a power supply now and i dont have much money right now due to other expenses
but you're absolutely right

>>60424278
Idk senpai I got my 1600X+cooler+mainboard+32gb of RAM for $400.

You should be able to do a 1600 with 8GB of RAM for $300 without being austitic about savings.
Sure that costs more than a $125 PSU, but it's not wasted money.

When you upgrade you're going to be so out of the realm of efficiency area on that expensive 1000w PSU. Go look at the efficiency curves of those PSUs.

>>60424323
Upgrading CPU is expensive, especially when moving from DDR3 to DDR4. It's a new mobo, new ram, new CPU.

>32gb of RAM for $400
This did not happen, the ram alone is like $300.

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How much does having two fans in a ~400g CPU heatsink actually affect the performance in comparison to having just one fan?

>>60424370
>>32gb of RAM for $400
>This did not happen, the ram alone is like $300.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FVnG3C/patriot-memory-pv432g240c5qk

im thinking of downsizing my build to matx, it will cost about $150 for yhe motherboard and case (aud) and is an am3+ build from a few years ago. reckon i should do it or just not?i reckon i could easily sell my case and motherboard (gigabyte 970a chipset and a corsair 300r)

>>60424246
Shouldn't DP 1.3 be able to handle 4K and 144hz?

>>60424323
i know about the efficiency curve, its less about efficieny for me and more about how the unit handles ripple and power delivery, gold units typically fare better in that regard. Beyond that ill take a 5% hit to efficiency to have the ability to not have to get a new unit for a fucking decade regardless of whatever housefires come from amd/intel/nvidia. A 750w unit would have been great for 2 7970s and a 2500k, but it would have failed to supply power for a 4690k and 2 290x, right now shit is really efficient, but looking at how like say volta is looking im not sure how long that's going to continue
also
>1600x+mobo+32gb of ram for 400
unless that ram is slow as piss and on the cheapest b350 board im calling bullshit, even with something like the microcenter deal
and idk senpai i have 100 max to spend on top of the 84.95 on newegg, thats enough for like a 1500x. so i would be left with a system i cant use and a cpu i cant use, so that aint great
>>60424370
this nigga gets it

>>60424409
>spending money on an am3 motherboard when you already have one
No, you shouldn't do it
Save up to upgrade

>>60424409
>am3+
>matx
enjoy living in a box after your house burns down
but seriously dont do it, theres a reason you dont see any matx am3+ builds. the VRM on all the boards can barely handle a 6 core at stock, let alone a 8 core or overclocking
plus, idk prices down in kangarooistan but for that price I would just save up for a cheap b350 and a 1500x

>>60424434
$150 is too measly to upgrade since id need to replace literally every component. replacing the cpu needs a new mobo and ram too, vice verca and all i could use from it would be the psu and tiny hard drive and ssd.

>>60424435
and ram too? i tried selling my computer for $500 at one point and got no interest, any lower just isnt worth it (8350, 7970, 16gb ram, 128ssd). remember thats aud. i get what your saying with the matx mobo, what made them use shitty chipsets?

>>60424370
$220 - 1600X on sale
$48 - Cryorig C1, $60 minus 19% off newegg giftcards
$47 - ab350m pro 4 motherboard, $75 minus 19% off newegg giftcards and $15 mail in rebait
$135 - 2x16GB DDR4. $150 because I bought it back before Ryzen launched knowing it'd go up, and there was a 10% off coupon.
Oh yeah it was like $425.

>>60424423
I overclocked it to 2666. That's fast enough. I'm not much of a gaymurr. I needed 32gb for work.

>>60424417
Not for HDR10. 1.4 at least which just was ratified last year.
1.4 can do HDR10 at 4K 120hz. Not 144.
But yeah. 1.3 can do 4k 120hz as well, but just 8bpc.
Do GPUs being sold now days tend to support 1.3, let alone 1.4?

>>60424486
Well, the 1080ti supports DP 1.4, and you can't really go lower than that if you're aiming for 4K 144hz.

>>60424460
amd had originally planned for the 6 core to be the flagship, the 8350 is an opteron on am3+, it was a last minute thing so most motherboard makers were caught off guard with power delivery that wasnt up to snuff. beyond that too crm design wasn't nearly as good then as now, and most if not all matx were seen as budget boards, so they have the 970 chipset instead of 990fx

>>60424486
fair enough, most of the time on here though you dont get people actually doing work though, catches me off guard.

>>60424460
I have a PC with a a good 7970, i5-2500k, 2x8GB of good RAM. I was going to sell it for $350 except I decided to keep it for a testing box. So yeah, $500 is too much of an ask for yours when you could build it with many NEW parts except for the GPU $65-$85 used for like $400.

>>60424563
not him but breaking it down
used 8350 is max 80
used 7970 is max 120
used 8gb ddr3 is max 30 bucks
used mobo really depends, we'll say 50
and then the case, psu, ssd is worth 100 tops lets say
works out to 380, so 400 would be fair I think.
but then again idk what pricing means in koala land

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nice video game consoles itt

>>60424629
>he bought a mac

>>60424603
In the USA, you can get a 7970 or 280 for $65-$85 off ebay. $120 is way overpriced.

I've seen deals for a 8320 AND motherboard together for $80-$90 new. Seen similar for a 8350 and motherboard for not much more.

Sooo uhhh yeah. A PC with a 8350, 16gb of RAM, and 7970, I think you're lucky to get $300-$400 for..

If I build a new budget rig with a g4560, will I not be able to run a hackintosh setup on it due to >kaby lake ?

>>60424563
>>60424603
>>60424696
why do you even reply eith American prices? Australian prices are almost double and dont depreciate that hard, the issue is noone buys second hand pcs at all. plus your not even factoring the other components. an 8350 still costs $180 here btw

>>60424750
Oh I missed the Australia. Yeah I guess $500 AUD makes sense.

>>60424750
>why do you even try to help me after I ask for advice
well fuck you too then, I'm just trying to give a fucking example to maybe help you figure shit out

>>60424921
yeah, 350 usd is 471 aud as a comparison, then you have to account for other factors. i think its more just computers dont sell second hand in Australia. every good deal gets passed up. ill probs just give it to my cousin for his birthday in a year or so.

rx460 or 1050 ti for 1080p accidental gayming? serious question

>>60425111
460. whats accidental gaming mean

>>60425153
i rarely play games but sometimes would like to play modded new vegas for example. would it be a decent choice paired with g4560?

>>60425111
RX460 can be a lot cheaper. But the RX560 tends to be quite a bit better than the 460 since it has more CUs.
Either should be fine for a 2010 game, but the 1050ti is going to be significantly better in Fallout 4 if you play that as well. FO3 is so old that I imagine either is going to do 60+, though.

>>60425213
not interested in fallout 4 and other modern games. thank you for the reply, i understood!

Is G4560 + RX560 most comfy budget build now?

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>start receiving parts like CPUs and GPUs
>still stuck choosing a case and monitors

Any mATX cases recs?

>>60425375
Hard to recommend unless you also give the space needed for the GPU and the CPU cooler.

>>60425375
Rosewill SRM-01, Carbide 88r.
idk there is a lot. just start browsing. it's personal preference.

>>60425375
just get a atx case, you dont live in a Japanese miniature apartment.

>>60425375
define c mini exists, you know. the perfect case

>>60425396
That's right, sorry. It needs to fit a GTX 1060 that's almost 300mm long

>>60425402
>>60425430
Thanks I'll check those

>>60425415
Sure, but I'm tired of generic looking cases and I could always use more space anywhere.
There's also issues like noise isolation that's hard to check easily.

>>60425375
core v21

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>>60425451
Oh, I was eying this one pretty hard for a while now, but it's a -little- too big. Just a little.

Should I just go for it? Does it retain HDD/fans sounds easily?

>>60425430
I wouldn't mind Fractal Design so much if they got rid of the brushed plastic finishes that just look tacky.

>>60425375
Phanteks Enthoo Evolv
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854057

no money left to buy a pc case. is cardboard box good enough?

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>have HD7850
>decide to buy new GPU for Rising Storm 2
>don't mind AMD, looking at RX580
>decently priced
>also into gpgpu programming so I kinda want cuda
>mfw GTX1070 is pretty fucking expensive

>>60425488
If only a GTX1060 existed

>>60425497
Is that good enough for 1440p/60Hz?

>>60425472
That's a pretty open design, so I doubt it's a very silent one.

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>>60425484
>no money left to buy a pc case. is cardboard box good enough?
yes.
Just don't spill liquid into it and shit.

>>60425488
Why such an overkill GPU? Isn't that game on like UE3? Wouldn't even a 1050Ti or RX560 be fine?
>also into gpgpu programming so I kinda want cuda
Are you sure you're into it much? I'd imagine OpenCL would appeal more. CUDA is garbo proprietary shit. It runs on AMD cards better except for how Nvidia won't allow it to.
Even for 1440p, an RX580 is almost certainly enough for 60fps+ I mean it does like 250+fps at 1440p in CSGO and 60 in lots of pretty newer games.

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How loud would 6 hdds be in hot-swap bays compared to Node 304 or 804 pods?

>>60425518
thank for the serious reply because it's true, no case for me for a while. and sorry for the stupidity, but how to turn on the pc without a case power button?

>>60425529
short the power on button with a screw driver, paper clip, or whatever.
Flip the PSU switch to hard power-off if you can't reboot through software, but try to avoid doing that while something is working.

There's also legitimately decent $20 mATX cases like the Rosewill SRM-01.

>>60425518
I'm working on a project for a guy who's quite prominent in the path tracing scene and his path tracers are written in cuda. He says it saves lots and lots of headaches to work in cuda instead of opencl, even though you can technically get the same functionality with both of them. It's a much better designed api.
That's also the area I'm interested in. So I will take all the performance I can reasonably afford. Of course that's a tradeoff with being a poorfag student with a mountain of debt to look forward to.

I've got a couple grand saved and want to pull myself out of the toaster-mire I've spent years being too lazy to remove myself from. Mostly I've always just gotten by with parts passed on to me by my stepbrother who worked retail on computer parts but other than simply cramming them into my case I've never given any mind towards actually picking them for myself.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/D4pgyf

I just wanna be able to play modern games and mess around with animating programs without the whole thing dying after a year or so.

Please tell me how I'm doing everything wrong.

>>60425562
th-thanks, man. there are no rosewills in my shithole country, only ugly zalmans

>>60425562
not the button but.. you know what I mean.
the pins on the motherboard that get shorted by the switch.

>>60425564
The only headache is that it's a bit newer so you can't as often google the exact code you need. Meh.
There is CUDA > OpenCL conversion tools now days as well.

>>60425564
>So I will take all the performance I can reasonably afford
The thing is that for GPGPU, the RX580 is roughly as powerful as the 1070.
It mostly comes down to raw TFLOPS.

>>60425577
Zalman T5 looks pretty nice I think?
But yeah, anything non-conductive and protection from spills is fine.

>>60425564
I'm the same (although my CUDA needs are for something else), I got a GTX 1060 and does the job great.
I don't know about RS2 or what engine it is, but if the 1060 can handle 60fps on Ghost Recon which is a clusterfuck of optimization I'm certain it'll handle anything else just fine.
Remember than playing on Ultra settings all the time is nothing more than a meme.

>>60425567
>Please tell me how I'm doing everything wrong.
Well for one, you're using the wrong platform. animating is a multi-core, multi-threading workload. An i7 could handle it but it isn't ideal.
You want an AMD Ryzen 7 system.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/3xbvQV

>>60425472
i have one, its a nice size. its big for mayx but not really because of vertical displacement and how feature packed it is. i dont notice muxh noise from it with a nh d14 and two noctua case fans

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>>60425567
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/D4pgyf
>$2500 PC
>ugly ass $55 case
But in all seriousness, do you actually have more than a 1080p 60hz monitor?
Does that really seem worth the money?
You could get a nice 1600X and RX580 build, while still having a 1TB SSD and all that, for much cheaper.
But if that's what you want, I don't see anything wrong with it other than the case.

>>60425611
Thanks, I'll just get it.

Are M.2 SSDs worth it? What the fuck is NVME? Are they faster than SATA drives?

>>60425688
>Are M.2 SSDs worth it?
no. They are faster than sata drives but they are not currently worth it due to the price hike over a normal 2.5" SSD.

>>60425705
please don't give advice when you don't know what you're saying.

M.2 is a form factor.

>>60425719
>M.2 is a form factor.
So it 2.5"

>>60425688
Not really.
> What the fuck is NVME?
It's a new interface which connects flash directly to PCI-Express. In theory, it means less overhead, elimination of SATA bottleneck and better speed. In practice, there's no noticeable difference in everyday tasks. The only possible advantage is the size, NVMe SSD look like SO-DIMM.

>>60425705
What about doing what people did with SSDs early on, having a small one to boot/run things that benefit the most from, and another drive for general use/storage?

>>60425719
So you're saying m.2. ports are SATA?

>>60425688
I've recently had Win10 installed both on an SATA 850 evo and a m.2 nvme 960 evo. When booting up Windows the difference becomes somewhat negilible. We're talking about 4-5 seconds to boot compared to just waiting while the monitor switches to the correct resolution. Boot time is a non-issue on both cases.

Haven't tried gaming on the 960 evo yet.

>>60425753
>>60425748
m.2 can carry either nvme (pcie) or sata signal
cheap m.2 ssds are sata
expensive fast m.2 ssds are nvme
m.2 SSD look like SO-DIMM
NVMe ssds can also be full size pcie cards or even 3.5 boxes (sata express)

>>60425748
NVME isn't an interface, it's a protocol. Like IDE or AHCI. The interface that is associated with NVME is over PCI-e, whether it's directly plugged into a slot, or through an m.2 or u.2 slot. Those are the interfaces associated with NVME.

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>>60425753
M.2 can be either SATA or NVMe.
It literally says that on the M.2 devices specifications.

>>60425778
Win10 reboots in 3-3.5 seconds on my SU800.
Any decent SSD is going to boot and load fast and a 960 won't be any different to a 850 Evo AT ALL.

You make windows boot faster by using quick boot and having a faster POST and shit. All decent SSDs are going to be fast, whether it's NVMe or SATA, for general use.
There's only very specific cases where a "faster" NVMe will not just be noticeably faster, but measurably faster at all.

THAT'S WHY IT SAYS THIS RIGHT IN THE OP YOU MONGLOIDS.

What's the best way to get windows for a new computer?

>>60425839
Msdn iso of enterprise version
If you absolutely must make it look as legit as possible and are willing to tolerate telemetry install any old 7 pro and do upgrade for disabled

>>60425839
download the tool onto a 4-8GB flash drive and install via the flash drive

>>60425839
>What's the best way to get windows for a new computer?
>the best
Idk. Hiring an escort to hand deliver the USB with the Windows bootable ISO on it and to plug it in for you sexily and everything?
I'm not sure what fucking answer you're looking for to such a stupid question, but that's the best I can come up with.

>>60425866
>Hiring an escort to hand deliver the USB with the Windows bootable ISO on it and to plug it in for you sexily and everything?

And she (male) keeps it in their panties until you fish it out~

>>60425866
Move to Saudi Arabia

>>60425863
So Enterprise doesn't force on all the Telemetry stuff? Or it just makes it easier to disable than non-Enterprise versions?
I've Googled how to rid of W10 of all the botnet, but every place has a different set of instructions or has batch files/scripts. Is there a tried and true /g/ method?

>>60425940
Some of the group policy toggles are only present in Enterprise. No idea if it actually does anything though, could just be a fake switch like the one that's supposed to disable reboots.

>>60425888
And she's got a bigger dick than you

What CPU + GPU do I need for 1440p 144Hz gaymen?

Would Ryzen 1600x + GTX 1070 be enough?

>>60425959
You may want a GTX 1080 for that. 1070 is more of a 1080p/144Hz thing (and current-gen VR sweet spot if you're into that).

>>60425959
For 1440p 144hz on newer games you need a 1080Ti. And even then it won't get 144fps min on the vast majority of them.

>>60426040
>>60425999
Or just turn down the graphics a little

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>>60426040
>a little
More like a lot if you want to keep above 144 minimum consistently.
Vega might be better for 1440p as GCN has historically been better for higher resolutions. Have to wait and see.

Doesn't seem worth it to me. Pay $700 for a GPU. $700 for a monitor. You still dip well under 100fps in lots of games at only 1440p.

>>60426102
er this was to >>60426075
But yeah. For ~$1500 you're looking at only double what you get out of a $270 RX580 and $400 Freesync monitor instead.
Shit ass value.

You could just get a 1070 and FPS limit it to 72 fps on a non-gsync 144hz monitor.

Hello, anons. Is a FSP Hydro G 750w PSU (found a deal on it locally and it's readily available) enough for a high-end OC build, or should I pony up for a EVGA SuperNOVA G2 850?

>>60426040
>>60425999
>>60425959
this has been discussed a lot and needs to be understood better
gtx1070 should really be enough for 144hz and 1440p IF not going for extremely demanding ultra settings, just sticking to high

heres informative video on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZsaavKNR8

but OPs focus should also be on gsync/freesync

>>60426160
jesus fuck, you are spending real money there, even on deal
why would you not go for 100% proven seasonic

anyway jonny guru gives FPS 9.2 which is great, especially high efficiency on low load, which no doubt 750W will see a lot of

>>60422552
Hey desus,
In your experience, is it better to have a 1080p 144hz screen or a 1440p 60hz screen?
Also, will buying a secondary screen with lower specs than my primary bite me in the ass?

lol no.. 1070 won't do 144fps minimum on newer games just on high.
Look at what was linked. Yeah they're maxed. Add 20-30% fps for "high" instead. Still way short.

Even in Overwatch, a game that's not very demanding maxed and doesn't have those BS framerate killing stuff at max, only does 144fps minimum at 1080p on a 1070 let alone 1440p.

For 1440p, you just need to set your aspirations lower. An RX580 will do 60-144fps depending on the game if you set settings to medium-high, but maxed in some older games.
The 1070 will do most newer games at at least 72fps maxed or on high/very-high, which you can lock it to on a non-expensive-Gsync monitor

>>60426160
Why do you need more than 400watt? You didn't give enough info. fuck off.

I will have a computer with up to 24 3.5" HDD, which case could I even get for that ?
Can be a rack-mounted one

>>60426218
1440p 75hz or 85hz is okay.
I don't think 1080p is ever acceptable. But only 60hz is also kind of ehhh.
I really don't think $400 for a decent 144hz 1440p Freesync IPS is a bad price, either. A nice quality monitor is just so comfy and nice. I can't stand bad monitors.

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>>60426228
Eh why not get new drives that are more space efficient?

24 drives.. that's like 100+watts just for HDDs.

>>60426218
depends if you are heavy/serious gamer or not

>70% of your time in front of PC is gaming and 20% gaming related browsing and shit and only 10% something else?

144hz

>you like to game, but you are no longer 12 to be the only thing you do

IPS 1440p, ideally dell ultrasharp

>>60426198
>why would you not go for 100% proven seasonic
But those are even more expensive than FSP, though? Seasonics are rather overpriced here but available, EVGAs are way less so, but all need to be ordered.

>anyway jonny guru gives FPS 9.2 which is great, especially high efficiency on low load, which no doubt 750W will see a lot of
Hmm. That sounds good, thank you.

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>>60426220
>gtx1070 cant do overwatch on 144hz

>>60426237
I'm an ausfag so it works out a bit more expensive, and I'm getting a secondary of the same size so could easily add up to a grand.

>>60426262
I wouldnt call myself a serious gamer but I probably spend 50% of my monitor time gaming. Are Dell ultrasharps worth the investment? If I were to buy one I'd be buying another, but probably with lower specs.

>>60426277
>142 fps average
>is not 144fps minimum
Thanks for proving me right, now fuck off.

>>60426220
>Why do you need more than 400watt? You didn't give enough info. fuck off.
There's no need to be rude, senpai. But I guess that means I would be fine with a 650-750w on a housefirelake i7 and a 1080.

>>60426302
If not overclocking, you would be fine with 400 watts. lmfao.
At most you should be looking at 550, even if overclocking.

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>>60426300
>happily ignores ultra presets
>gets told
>reeeeeeee fuck off reeeeeeeeeee

>>60426318
It literally says right there in his post it's for high-level overclocking, you fucking retard. You can read words, can't you?
Though I do agree we need at the very least the gpu and cpu
>>60426302
If you're spending the money necessary for those parts then you shouldn't feel too horrible for spending another 80-90 on a 650-750w psu

>>60426318
I've been living under a rock the past half decade and missed PSUs getting efficient at lower wattage ratings. Thanks, anon.

>>60426300

+/- 1.38%

why even argue when your argument is literally autism.

>>60426293
>Are Dell ultrasharps worth the investment?
yes they are tftcentral does good in depth reviews of them

>>60426344
You can turn down settings an do 144fps on an RX580 too, then. Where do you draw the line?

Like I agree with you that ultra settings sucks and blah blah, but you are totally overrating the 1070s performance. It's like 25% better than the RX580. That's it. 25%. It's not going to do a consistent 144fps in lots of games even if you turn settings down to low-medium in many of them.
Even on a 1080Ti, you're going to have turn lots to medium.

I think it makes more sense to set your goal in the 60-100fps range for 1440p.

>>60426377
>average
>minimum
kill yourself

>>60426398
>caring about 2fps
Do you own a fidget spinner, perchance?

>>60426410
>still so stupid that he thinks average is the same as minimum
Just can't stop embarrassing yourself, can you?

>>60426398
>says 1070 wont play overwatch 1440p at 144fps on high
>comes within two frames average on ultra

ultra > high

defend yourself faggot.

>>60426351
>Though I do agree we need at the very least the gpu and cpu
The build has an 7700k installed right now, the GPU will likely be a 1080/1080ti, though Vega should be out by the time I will be able to acquire one.

>If you're spending the money necessary for those parts then you shouldn't feel too horrible for spending another 80-90 on a 650-750w psu
Yeah, I'm just out of the loop a bit, coming back to desktops after using laptops for the last 5 years. I heard EVGA and Seasonic praised around, but was wondering if a FSP is comparable.

>>60426458
If the PSU is 80+ gold certified and 650w+, then it's good and you won't ever run into any issues with it.

>>60426398
you will see frames around the average far more than the lowest dip, which to most non sperglords would be acceptable on ultra, however once you drop to high you will likely get your full 144fps and beyond if it's a big issue.

>>60426220
>a game that's not very demanding maxed and doesn't have those BS framerate killing stuff at max, only does 144fps minimum at 1080p on a 1070 let alone 1440p.
>max
>144fps
>>60426451
>this dumb faggot claims it was 144fps average on high
Just how fucking stupid are you, exactly?
You keep proving yourself stupider and stupider.
Even worse, you don't know when to give the fuck up after being repeatedly BTFO. I'm surprised you've even lived long enough to grow up to be old enough to post on 4chan.

>>60426481
It is indeed one like that. Cheers!

>>60426499
>this dumb faggot claims it was 144fps average on high

never even once you sperg, there's multiple people on here calling you fucking stupid.

maybe it's cause you're fucking stupid, i'd suggest re-evaluating your life.

How do I know if screwdriver is magnetic or not?

>>60426550
Yeah, multiple people claiming I said something that I clearly didn't.
Multiple people that think max means high
Multiple people that think minimum fps means average.

Not my problem that multiple people are wrong when I'm right. Go fuck off and be stupid somewhere else. It's irrelevant that there's multiple of you that are so fucking stupid.

>>60426590
It's magnetic if it's magnetic.

>>60426590
touch it to something ferrous if it sticks it's magnetic.

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>>60426593

>>60426617
But what if I need to buy a non-magnetic screwdriver? If it isn't mentioned that it's magnetic is it safe to assume it isn't? Is there a list of best non-magnetic screwdrivers?

are dual and trio monitor set ups shit for productivity?

>>60426590
>t. retard

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TL;DR

Only use for games

1) 1700 or 7700k or better to wait for next gen?
2) If 7700k, good mobo/ram combo?

Thanks

>>60426661
most screwdrivers aren't magnetic and come with magnetic attachment.

>>60426693
If it's ONLY for gaymen then get the 7700K, shit value, runs hot as fuck and isn't as good in multitasking and multithreaded applications, but it will give you muh max fps in gayms.

>>60426727
Okay cool, what would you recommend for a good value gaymen CPU? I wouldn't mind waiting a few months if the next gen for AMD or Intel if it'll have something of better value

>>60426693
>better to wait for next gen?
Do you not need to make a PC now?
If you're thinking of making a 7700k pc and then ugprading to Zen2 in a year, that's... a waste of time and money?
If you want to make upgrading to Zen2 easy, just get AM4 now with a 1600/1600X. That way you only have to change the CPU and not the CPU, motherboard, and heatsink mounting bracket.

If 1080p, and gaming only, the 7700k is better albeit less efficient and dead socket and all those other neatives.
For 1440p or 4K, you'd obviously be better off getting on AM4 now.

I want to build a Ryzen PC with a mATX motherboard, should I wait for something?

>>60426790
Thanks. I currently run an old sandy bridge 2500k thats almost 6 years old now. Just bought a 1060 so I wouldn't mind a new mobo/cpu and ram to give it a bit better working environment.

Thinking of getting a new monitor soon, but a priority would be 144hz rather than higher than 1080p resolution.

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>>60426781
Next gen AMD wont come before 2018, Intel will release Coffe Lake (?) soon, i think, but currently the R5 1600 or 1600X (if you don't want to OC) are best value.

>>60426830
Cool thanks, what would the 1600 vs 7600k be? (just for gaymin purposes)

Need help choosing a power supply https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/WsxrsJ

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>>60426826
I just upgraded from a 2500k to a 1600X.
I thought my 7970 was just showing age, but I'm getting 50% higher FPS in many games, even low end games, on the 1600X. Turns out the 2500k was just bottlenecking my 6 year old GPU.

>>60426856
1600 vs 7600k isn't even a comparison. 7600k is garbage. 4 threads isn't even even for gaming the past few years. You're better off comparing it to like the 7700 non-k or something.
Compared to the 7700k, it's slower on average with average fps, but minimums are still really good or even better, and lots of power to spare for other stuff.
It still does 144fps on the same games that the 7700k does 144fps. It just "only" does 350fps average in CSGO when the 7700k does 400 and irrelevant shit like that.

>>60426856
7600 is ever so slightly better, but you're not going to notice 2-3 FPS difference. the 1600 is the better value though and the more futureproof.

>>60426830
>phoneposting

480 or 570?

>>60426914
List 450-550 ones in a screenshot or something?
We don't know your prices, but the Seasonic 550RM is solid and cheap in other places.

>>60426961
>7600
>better
no it's not.
Maybe better in 10 year old games, which is irrelevant since the 1600 does them fine as well. In newer games it's much worse. And when it is better, it's only with all 4 threads maxed.
And I'm not even talking games from the past year with "newer". Even 5 year old games like Crysis 3 and 4 year old ones like Metro Last Light Redux, pretty much any demanding game, is much better on the 6c/12t than the 4c/4t.

Any idea how the MSI rx570 Gaming X compares to Gigabyte rx570?

>>60426856
1600 easy. Just upgraded to it and it's awesome.

>>60426964
>t. autist

>>60427000
Not a question. Models can vary 10% or more in performance.
Good 570 4GB > bad 480 8GB in 1080p.
Goo 480 > bad 570.

>>60427019
Gaming X is better. Gigabyte is loud and hot, though at least better than their RX400 models were.

>>60427019
> which is better?
>A Honda Civic LX or a Honda Civic LX?

>>60427036
Thanks.

>>60427051
Kek. If we say build/heat wise then?

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>>60427006

>>60427101
Holy shit... a 550RM costs as much as the 1600 does in your country?
I would steal a PSU. wtf.

idk just get that cheapest I guess. That EVGA. It has decent user reviews at least.

>>60427181
huh looks like pcpartpicker is bugged

http://www.amazon.in/Seasonic-S12II-520-Watt-Power-Supply/dp/B005O8PNSM/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4
Is this the one you mentioned?

>>60427271
No, I said the 550RM, but that one is pretty good too.
If the 550RM is significantly more, just get that M12II.

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this is case is pretty cheap and comes with some fans which is nice. obviously the build quality isnt great but everything fits and screws in nicely if anyone needs a super budget case. its ugly but for me I'm keeping int under my desk so it doesnt matter

>>60427419
thankyou

>>60427425
ok. what do you want? approval or something?

>>60427466
its a parts thread. im posting parts for people in this thread who may be looking for a cheap case. if you dont need a case then it doesnt apply to you

>>60427425
I like those dust intakes on the side.

>>60427511
ah. Ok then. Honestly, I looked at the Deepcool Tesseract for my upcominig Ryzen build... Not because I like how it looks or anything. I'm just a Marvel Comics fan. The Tesseract was a well known macguffin in the Marvel Universe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin

where are the mitx am4 mobos?

>>60427682
currently only Biostar is offering any. They have 2. One uses the X370 chipset (which is really odd since the entire reason for buying an X370 is features that can't be used on an ITX form factor).
The other uses a B350 Chipset.
The boards have been announced, but no one is selling them yet.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R6tWGX/biostar-b350gtn-mini-itx-am4-motherboard-b350gtn
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JRPzK8/biostar-x370gtn-mini-itx-am4-motherboard-x370gtn

years old)I have an old HCG-620M from antec ).- I'm thinking about scrapping it togheter with a 2500k + maybe a 750 ti for mediacenter. How high are the chances it would fail ?
http://store.antec.com/highcurrentgamer/hcg-620m.html

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Is palit gtx 1070 dual 8gb a good card? Why is it the cheapest of 1070? It cost basically same money as top of the line rx 580 and gtx 1060 but it should perform much better. Im tempted to just buy it especially after weak avilability of vega rumors that didnt got denounced by amd.

>>60427747
yeah its got me a bit confused, i thought mitx was all the rage. maybe i should start a mobo company? manufacturer niche motherboards

>>60427784
i have i7 6700 (not k)
16 gb of 2133mhz 14 cl ram
and currently amd r9 380

>>60427775
RIP my fat fucking fingers

>>60427784
>Is palit gtx 1070 dual 8gb a good card?
Should be ok.
>Why is it the cheapest of 1070?
Because Palit said so.

>>60427789
I'm really surprised that no one has made a company to make both motherboards and cases.

ASRock has grown to make a lot more profit than AMD has (I mean.. AMD is in the red, but still)
You could make some fancy ass enthusiast boards that only fit in your cases and doublejew people.
I saw one of these the other days, but it was for servers, where the motherboard was 3 PCBs that fit along the top and bottom as well to fit a smaller form factor. I can't remember what it was now, though.

>>60426825
Here is a cheep one
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/RMFkLk

Here is a mid range one
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/XXzHxr

I still need to put together a high end ryzen build. If you want to see one I'll do it sooner

>>60427856
>You could make some fancy ass enthusiast boards that only fit in your cases and doublejew people.
I believe that you can only do this, legally, when selling pre-built systems with specific requirements. Laptops are famous for this. If you're selling an aftermarket case and motherboard, you have to abide by the market standard sizes.

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This motherboard says it has6 x SATA 6Gb/s ports,

I can only see two in the picture, do you think the other 4 are what ive circled in red? (they're facing horizontally to the board)

>>60427885
Is that motherboard any good though?

right, we all know the good old "PC master race" meme that was taken too far by Reddit. these sperglords constantly claim that they can build PC's that are on the same level or better than a PS4 Pro in terms of framerates and resolution, but for the life of me I cannot put together a build that would be under 350€ (which is what retailers sell PS4 Pros in Europe, you can probably get it cheaper elsewhere).

my absolute best, memey as fuck build would be https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wF6hLD, but im dumb as shit and don't know much about hardware nowadays. are these prices just fucked and not updated properly? theres no way a shitty CPU like that costs that much, is there?

mostly asking out of curiosity, but also for a friend that is buying a new PC.

second question - I have 8 gigs of RAM installed in my PC right now, Speccy says "Single-Channel DDR3 (9-9-9-26)". Can I just buy another 8gb stick from a random manufacturer and it should work normally? get the same manufacturer and voltage? as I said, im borderline retarded.

>>60427897
sounds dubious, make your own standard. zatx or something

>>60427425
It's a rather very good case, especially at a sub-70 price point. Out of stock in a lot of places, though.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HPBmpb

Ordered this, hows it look.
Opted for the 1600 instead of 1600x because all the good coolers were out of stock.
I like have 256gb ssd + 1tb hdd rather than a 1tb ssd by itself.

Mobo has nice compatibility with ram, if I replaced the mobo i would have had to get hella expensive ram.

>>60428111
Most consoles are sold at a loss. The profit comes from software sales. Also, console games can perform better on worse hardware if they are specifically optimized for it.

>>60428264
so basically it's as I said. a meme. guess ill be sticking to my shitty 750ti for a while yet. not paying 250€ for a last generation Nvidia card when I can get a PS4 for that price and play games that look and peform better.

fucking Reddit memers.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/CiT-Dragon-Midi-Case-Window/dp/B01BV8JUDC/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pdt_img_top?ie=UTF8

Besides the meme LEDs does this look like a decent budget case to you guys?

>>60428226
It really does make me REEE that prices in £ are higher than $ even forgetting the exchange rate at like 1.3.

Why is the UK such an expensive shithole?

>>60428111
>which is what retailers sell PS4 Pros in Europe, you can probably get it cheaper elsewhere

Really?
And an AMD based cpu and gfx would hit your price point better.
Forget about 4k though. And forget about leddit as well.

>>60428306
yeah, they retail at around 350€ (+/1 10€).

i'd rather not recommend anyone to buy second-rate hardware like AMD.

>>60428335
meant to say +/- 10€.

>>60428111
>>60428264
That hasn't been true since the PS3 and Xbox360 days.
Xbone and PS4 were sold at a profit on launch, and that profit has grown a lot now days.
The GPU in the PS4 is RX550-tier. 1.2TFLOPS iirc.

A 7970 from 2011 did something like 4.5TFLOPS on a higher end OC model.
A G4560 an RX560 is more than double the performance of the PS4, and still much more than the PS4 Pro.

Consoles typically run those console ported games at 900p at "medium" settings, 30fps not 1080p 60fps at very high or max.
Digital Foundry does videos on this often, analyzing what settings consoles run on and emulating that on PC. Their RX570 review also touched on this and how you get about 4x console performance from a $170 RX570 especially once you give it a 10% OC.

>>60428294
not sure, but hows it look.

>>60428366
>RX560
That doesn't exist. There's an RX550 and then it skips to the RX570.

>>60428366
yeah, sure. try running Nier Automata on a $170 GPU. see how that compares to the PS4.

hint: PC games are trashy ports made for a quick buck, you need a much stronger than native hardware to be able to run them properly.

>>60428108
They are good. the mid range one I posted is my next build. You can always upgrade to a z170 or z370 if you want a better board

>>60428366
Oh wait. PS4 Pro is more powerful than I remembered. I thought it was like 2x the Xbone but it's more than that. It's 4.12TFLOPS so almost as good as a now $65, 6 year old 7970.
But an RX570 is still much more powerful. +50% and Xbox Scorpio performance with a bit of an overclock.

>>60428422
Reviewers have touched them, so they should be for sale soon.

>>60428436
Works fine, dude. Gets 100+ fps on an RX570 with the optimization mod that doesn't make it look worse at all. Why are you being retarded?
It's much worse on the PS4.

>>60428292
Looks nice and uses a lot of mesh so it should have decent air flow. You can always take out to leds if you don't like them

>>60428446
I've been told before that there's a better chipset that isn't available in mATX boards for Ryzen yet though.

>>60428436
>900p@30fps medium vs >1080p@60fps on max

the bait

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>>60428096
Pic related is my x370. I know it's not the same chipset but I can't figure why they would change orientation on the sata ports.
>Inb4 cringe carpet comments

>>60428562
nice one man thanks

>>60428562
That is a rug, not carpet

>>60428634
Yup. I really wanted someone to comment on that really badly. Also /rug/ general

>>60428649
why not /hug/ general?

Okay, about to do it guys

>inb4 buyers remorse for not waiting for cannonlake

should i wait guis?

>>60428542
I think those are the z170 and z370. The only z370 is a booster right now for matx but there are more they just aren't being sold

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>>60428673
fug, forgot pic.

3200 mhz ram

Does a case need to have as much slots as the motherboard?

E.g if I buy mobo with 6 USB available and the case only has 2 built in, would I only have 2 useable usb?

Sorry noob question but too specific for google.

>>60428678
>z370.

>>60428673
As long as you're not getting delidlake, I'm sure you won't regret your wise long term AM4 comfy purchase.
>cannonlake
not sure why you'd be waiting for slow laptop CPUs.

>>60428678
So, should I wait a little more? I'm not into overclocking or whatnot, but still.

>>60428707
>>60428542
X370 sorry

>>60428709
>delidlake
what's that?

Is there any word of RAM prices going down in the future?

I am currently using a 2160p 60Hz monitor, which I drive with an r9 Fury and its singular displayport 1.2 slot, and I've just ordered a 1440p 144hz monitor. How do I add the new monitor to the system such that I can get maximum resolution/frames from both monitors simultaneously?

>>60428729
If you aren't into over clocking I don't think there is much of a reason to wait.

>>60428742
It's a meme for many lake since the thermal on it are really bad so you need to delid it to use better material

>>60428701
You'll have to connect the cables from your case's USB ports to the appropriate headers on the motherboard. If the case doesn't have enough, you can just use the ones on the back of the mobo or install a PCI card with extra USB ports.

Right now I'm using a 4670k oc'd to 4.4ghz, is it true that the newer Intel and even AMD stuff isn't going to be that much of an improvement for gaming?

>>60428756
Is the firmware any good though? Can you turn off the gaymen LED trash?

>>60425509
not on ultra, I only get like 70 fps or so on most maps with a 1080 at 1080p

>>60428767
>is it true that the newer Intel and even AMD stuff isn't going to be that much of an improvement for gaming?
Current situation is, that few of the modern and older games can actually utilize multiple cores well. If it becomes the norm however thanks to Ryzen staggering the balance of 2 or 4 cores/threads being the normal thing to have for gamers, things may change quite a bit.

>>60428767
Yes, the gains are marginal in terms of max fps, but you might get a higher average in certain cpu bound titles.

>>60428767
Games from the past few years have been using more than 4 threads well.
It's only people on an older 4c/8t which won't feel an upgrade so much.
see: >>60426954
Gains in 0.1% and 1% minimum fps can be 3x or more in many cases.

You could simply change it out for a 4790k and keep your same motherboard and RAM.

>>60425375
If you want atx you could go with a riotoro cr1080 or a rajintek thetis.

>>60428816
I believe you can turn the leds off. I have an msi board on my current build and the firmware is good. There seems like a lot more stuff you have to install compared to other boards but most of it you can opt out of when doing your first time set up

is this whole "future proofing" shit for the AM4 just a meme? Is a ryzen build actually going to improve down the line or am I just being sold snake oil by people who really want it to happen

>>60428924
>is this whole "future proofing" shit for the AM4 just a meme?
Yes
>Is a ryzen build actually going to improve down the line
No

>>60428924
The only improvements you can see down the line are applications and games being optimized to use Ryzen better. AMD can't simply release magical firmware/microcode updates that boost your performance, so it's up to the developers if they care about designing for Ryzen or not.

>RX 560 4gb drops to 120 euros

Nice. I will wait a bit longer tho.

>>60428988
so with intel still at like 80% marketshare, game devs literally wont give a fuck to optimise for AMD?

Makes sense to me desu

What's a quiet case? Looking at fractal R5 right now and I favor simple designs over jacky leds. Don't mind giant monoliths though.

>>60428988
>AMD can't simply release magical firmware/microcode updates that boost your performance
But they can fix the Windows scheduler issues with Ryzen, which will have the same effect.
>so it's up to the developers if they care about designing for Ryzen or not.
How much market share does Ryzen have, again? If I was a profit-oriented AAA game developer, I would not spend much time for a system with <10% market share, especially when that minority is also the most likely group to have those pesky discerning consumers who will hate you either way.

>>60429012
On one hand the current game consoles use AMD APUs, on the other hand Ryzen is a different architecture. Even if developers start making games with Ryzen in mind, it will be at least a couple of years before we see any of them due to how long they take to develop.

>>60428096
Where you pointed as 1 sata, there are actually two stacked, and the other two are between, donn't you se them? They are facing up.

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God damn it's so tiny...
Should i take the stickers off before putting it on?

>>60429172
I'm fairly certain taking the stickers off voids warranty.

Question regarding older GPUs with pitiful VRAM:

Does anyone know what kind of performance hit I will have using an old HD7850 1GB in my new Ryzen 1600 build? The 7850 is from my previous machine and it had no problems running stuff like Dota, Overwatch, and Street Fighter 5. Will I start running into problems for games coming this year like Tekken 7?

>>60429172
are you unboxing in the middle of a forest fire?

>>60428924
What people who know what they're talking about mean is that you'll just need to upgrade CPU later. The socket is being supported for 4+ years, while Intel only supports theirs for 2 years.
So 3 or 4 years from now, unless you really want to upgrade in a year too, you can upgrade the CPU while keeping the rest the same.

It's know that AMD is going to use IBM's 7nm process in 2017 for Zen3, which should be good for at least a 10% clock speed increase.
But other improvements to IPC and such are all expected besides just that. Considering the usual 4.1GHz cap on Ryzen is its only major downside, being able to hit 4.5 or higher will be a nice upgrade even if that were the only improvement.

>>60429172
I'm just anxious with things like these because my last build was running very hot and i actually had one of my part's sticker's glue mess up my motherboard but it might've just been because of shit quality manufacter. It's just that the sticker on this doesn't really seem hard to remove it is literally clued on a couple of chips.
>>60429247
My phone's camera glass is pretty messed up.

>>60423387
>>60423512
Bumping this from last night.

Is getting the same make of Mobo and GPU good for anything? (MSI)

>>60429092
Other good options if you are looking specifically at R5 competitors:
Define C.
Define S (if watercooling).
Carbide 400Q.
Eclipse P400S.

If noise is your absolute priority, the Purebase 600 is the quietest case I know of which competes with the like of the R5.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wywPd6

How'd I do boys? Primary use will be a lel steambox hooked up to my shit old 1080p TV, though I can see occasionally hooking it up to a monitor for mouse and keyboard games.

I wouldn't mind trimming the price down with a weaker CPU and GPU so long as it will play AAA games at higher settings for the next couple years. MITX would be nice but 'ryzen' memed me

>>60429404
It's not.

>>60429404
Not at all. If you're making a ryzen build i'd recommend Asrock mobo.

>>60429404
Aside from a uniform look? Not really. Only thing I can think of is if you fuck up your whole system it will only be one support call instead of two.

>>60429455
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wywPd6
Really solid $850 build, though the 580 isn't as good price/perf as the 570 for 1080p.
A good 570 will perform the same in 1080p, but it seems that 570s have pretty screwy prices right now so I guess a cheap 580 doesn't hurt.

Just make sure you frame limit it to 60 since it's on a tv.

MSI says on their site that the Radeon RX 570 Gaming X is a PCIe 3.0 card. Can I still use it on my mobo that has PCIe 2.0?

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>>60422552
Fuck AMD for what they did to Radeons with their PR campaigns and numbers over performance business strategy
ATI4life!

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Still stuck on what monitor to get. I need
>120hz+ for 3D with a 1060
>whatever resolution as long 1080p games don't look like a mess (good interpolation)
>good enough color range for art/editing design work

Someone itt rec the Dell Ultrasharp, it looks great and is cheap, but it's 60hz part.

I didn't already spend nearly 1000€ on the complete computer if it isn't even going to give 3D tiddies

>>60429422
Coin toss Define C & 400Q, looks like. The R5 is kinda overkill for now. I haven't seen many people talk about BQ's cases to be honest, why mention it last?

>>60429652
No. PCIe is backwards compatible.
Google answers that pretty easy.

But if you have a PCIe2.0 board, I imagine you have a CPU that'll bottleneck it unless it's an older 4c/8t.

>>60429563
Thanks. I was concerned it might be overkill but I'll prolly go with it anyways

>>60429455
Why not PCI wifi?

>>60429858
When I originally put the list together I was looking at the upcoming biostar b350 mitx board, and there wasn't room for pci

>>60429844
Thanks. Yes, I use a four year old fx 8320 at the moment, planning to build a new pc next autumn. Do you think it will bottleneck it much?

>>60429422
Not him, why define C over S if not watercooling, seems to me the only difference is the PSU block & HDD mount points, but those don't get in the way in either case.

>Monitor on amazon that's a total steal
>can't import
Fuck

>>60429921
Yes. That is generally weaker than my i5-2500k and my i5-2500k was often bottlenecking my 7970 on newer games. And a RX570 is much faster than a 7970.
In some newer games I guess it won't be as bad since some newer console ports run way better on an FX 8 core than a i5-2500k.

Reposting

Why are there no programs that can tell me my Ryzen 5 1600X CPU temperature? Do I just have to wait for them to be updated? BIOS still shows temps

>>60430136
Amd ryzen master. Terrible, terrible graphs though.

>>60429761
>why mention it last?
Despite Be Quiet not getting as much exposure as brands like Fractal, they make fine cases. However, I know the thermals on the PB 600 are not quite as good as other cases in it's class, and the cabling also isn't the greatest. I wouldn't normally recommend it over others, unless silence is a priority.

>>60430009
In general, I think the Define C is the better case except in regards to water-cooling potential. The S is needlessly large for air-cooling, it has no shroud, and lacks top-filters iirc.

>>60430149
>keeps jumping between 33 and 48 degrees

Thanks anyway

Are there any new monitors on the horizon worth waiting for?

How are Dell's monitor quality? I found a Gsync 1440p 165hz one for 450€, there has to be something wrong here.

>>60430252
Yes. QLED, OLED ones. HDR10, FreeSync2.

>>60430256
It's A TN. I don't know why that seems cheap to you for a TN. That's a lot.

>>60430272

Kind of wary of freesync since AMDs new gpus might be shit

>no cheaper than 50$ quake builds with new parts so I can easily make a LAN party room of any size
Pls

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Holy fuck RAM has become expensive. Damn jews are at it again.

>>60430303
rasberry pi, duh?

Why the fuck do people insist on PSU cage, it barely affects thermal and it makes reaching the CPU power cable a pain every single time.

>>60430272
>It's A TN
Fuck, you're right.
Are IPS really worth it though? What if vision angles don't matter to me?

>>60430323
That's just the mainboard, not a build.

>>60422552
so i put together all the parts and everything works except the led case fans
can anyone help me figure out how to get them to work

>>60430329
they think it looks bad and want to hide it.
retards.
Yeah, I hate cases with those as well.

>>60430354
Ehh.. It's good quality for a TN. But it's still worse than just a decent IPS. It's not just view angles, either.
IPS are worth it. It's GSync that is not. Gsync is overpriced as fuck. You can get a 144hz 1440p Freesync IPS for $400. Gsync is an extra $200 more. It's a big reason why I'll never buy Nvidia.

>>60430374
ok. rasberry pi + $3 fan + cardbox box to put it in?

>>60430392
Plug them in.

>>60430412
they are...

>>60430354

I've had both and honestly TN doesn't matter to me - if you're looking at it dead on it won't matter and the response time is better. IPS has its own host of problems with backlight bleed etc.

>>60430462
Only bad IPS have backlight bleed. My 6 year old one doesn't, though it has some ghosting that newer ones don't.

>>60430462
>backlight bleed
How bad is this? Does it happens often? I love watching things in total darkness

>>60430462
>>60430536
I got a dell U2312HM years ago which was total crap. Fucked gamma, backlight bleed and quite severe ghosting.
Returned it and was put off ultrasharps until my brother got a U2715H which turned out to be pretty great. Got one myself now and I'm very happy with it.
Just have to learn to live with minor IPS glow and not-amazing contrast (better than TN)

>>60430536

No, backlight bleed is inherent to IPS. There are no 'bad' IPS - only a few vendors actually manufacture them.

>>60430570

You can get used to it and it didn't really phase me, but in a dark room you will notice some light on one corner of the screen.

>>60430570

Google image search "IPS Glow" and take a look, keep in mind it won't look that bad in real life as the camera stresses it a bit

>>60430622
I have unregged win7 so it's the black desktop background.
If there was noticeable backlight bleed, it'd be very apparent.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm
very similar monitor. Down near the bottom:
>Setting the screen to an all black background and dimming the lights resulted in the above. There was very little difference across the screen that you could detect with the naked eye, and only a very slight leakage of the backlight towards the top right hand corner of the screen. In practice this was almost impossible to detect, and thankfully the screen was free from any leakage along the top and bottom edges, where it can be particularly problematic and off-putting in movies, where black borders are present.

So yeah, no. Blacklight bleed and ghosting isn't an "inherit problem". Some have them, some don't.

>>60430622
>>60430660
Thanks. I did google it, which is why I had to ask how it actually feels because some pics are real bad and I would never pay for this.

Also which has the most accurate colors? TN or IPS?
I know I did some design work with a cheap TN and the end colors once printed were perfectly fine.

>>60430687

A lot have them, considering the return rates for the acer and asus 144hz 1440 monitors, and I have to apologise I meant IPS glow, not backlight bleed

I worked at a hardware shop for a few years and we actually stopped selling the 144's for a bit because there were so many replacements and customers searching for 'the perfect one'. I personally never saw one, every single large panel had IPS glow and it was the norm rather than the exception

>>60422552
Hey PCBG, would this be a sufficient build for playing games like GTA5 on default graphics settings? Poorfag so whatever you suggest, please make sure it doesn't tip my budget over 1K. Also, is faster, higer price/GB RAM a meme?

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($328.47 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($91.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - H110M-A/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($41.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K4000 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.88 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card ($138.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: DIYPC - VT380-W ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.12 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.69 @ OutletPC)
Total: $809.01

>>60430715

Personally I have had two IPS 1440s, one wasn't so bad and the other was pretty bad, but you have to keep in mind it only shows up in really dark scenes, as in there'll be a cutscene in a telltale game or whatever and you can see a bit of white/pink in a corner.

IPS has better colors and viewing angle and darker blacks aside from IPS glow

I mostly like TN because of the faster response and cheaper price, colors don't really worry me. But right now no tech is perfect in every way, I just want to warn you as I was told IPS glow didn't exist or was common when I bought one.

>>60430772
Yes, it's perfect
Don't listen to the AMD memesters who try to make you switch to their shitty, slow, and buggy AM4 platform

>>60430772
Get a 1500X or 1600X and a better GPU like the RX570 instead. And SSD.
Cheaper PSU like the Seasonic 550RM.
You shouldn't need an optical drive.
Faster RAM, at least 2800+.
Cheaper cooler like a Cryorig H7 if you can wait for the bracket. Otherwise maybe a Le Grande Macho.
Get a mATX case with a mATX board.

>>60430803
Huh. I literally have none of these problems with my HP ZR24w except for minor ghosting.
Granted, this was a $400 1920x1200 24" monitor 6 years ago.
There are some 1ms response time IPS now days. Mostly LG panels.

>>60430848
>SSD
You mean like a low-capacity SSD for the OS? Because it's really just a few MB difference in speeds.

>>60430842

>Yes, it's perfect

For burning your house down lmao.

>>60431036
What do you mean?

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>>60431122

>he doesn't know

>>60430772
>42$ mobo
>92$ cpu cooler
>gpu less than half cpu price
>no ssd
What the fuck are you doing

>>60431140
I changed a lot if stuff based on another anon's suggestions

>>60431137
Yeah, I'd rather be able to upgrade my CPU without mobo incompatibilities.

AMD is literally shit when it comes to compatibility.

>>60431246
I also forgot, I don't want to pay $1/GB in contrast to 2¢/GB.

>>60431284

Based on what Mr Goldberg?

I'll give you a fun fact: ryzen officially supports faster memory than any Intel chip xurrently released.

>>60431340
Previous experiences with picking out parts. No motherboard on PCPartPicker was AMD compatible.

I want to be able to choose a processor and expect it to work with my mobo

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>>60431371

>No motherboard on PCPartPicker was AMD compatible.

Please tell me you weren't picking Intel motherboards and wondering why AMD chips don't work in them. Please say it ain't so.

>>60431371
Just because it says it won't work doesn't mean it is guaranteed to not work. look at the specs yourself. Pcpartpicker has its flaws

>>60431407
I wasn't.

>go to pcpartpicker.com
>go to motherboards
>all amd check boxes are grayed out

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>>60431448

I think you might be retarded.

Building a pc for the first time but I want to double check the parts before buying. I'm trying to stay under $1300 and don't plan on overclocking. Its mostly for moderate gaming and video editing, pls rate
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PRXCcc

>>60431448
>if ryzen cpu click am4
>if other look for socket
and click on that one in filter
If it has the proper socket it will work

>>60431568
>>60431503
>>60431407
>>60431340
>>60431137
>>60431036

Look, it fits in my poorfag budget and it justwerks™

>>60424486
>I bought it back before Ryzen launched knowing it'd go up, and there was a 10% off coupon.
So you're suggesting somebody to go back in time, buy some ram, come back, and then get a new CPU?

>>60431529
Here is a keyboard you might like better. I'm not a fan of Logitech keyboards

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bJDzK8/corsair-k63-wired-gaming-keyboard-ch-9115020-na

I like cherry and duckey keyboards best but they might put you over budget