/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>60403559
The R5 1600x doesn't come with a cooler so you want to get one. Or you could save some money and get an R5 1600, with an aftermarket cooler still, and overclock it to reach R5 1600 levels of performance. That would also allow you to upgrade the RAM (while still overall paying less) which will end up giving you more performance.

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>>60403546
I have a 960 EVO M.2 drive that's making a scratching noise whenever the computer is doing something storage related. I have no other drives connected and I put my ear up to it and it's coming from the M.2 ssd. I looked it up on Google and read that disabling C1 fixes the noise. If it's a BIOS setting, I can't find it. X370 Taichi. Any suggestions?

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Looking to buy a new gpu since my 4 year old Sapphire HD9750 3gb duel-x fans have started to give up. On a really tight budget, can afford max around 224 usd (2000 sek, GPUs are expensive here in Sweden).

Missed a 180 usd deal on MSI GTX 1050 Ti Gaming X 4gb yesterday, today it costs 200 usd.

Asus Radeon RX 470 Strix Gaming 4gb is now at 224 usd.

My cpu is currently a fx 8320 and it is not going to change for a while. Help me pick gpu.

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>>60403546
Won by 4 seconds. Nice job, OP.

I made some minor OP improvements that I'll post below.

>>60403633
Scratching noise? What the hell. I thought those have no moving parts. No idea, though. Are you sure it's not under some folder in the BIOS? My ASRock BIOS has lots of various folders with more options.

>>60403646
/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
https://pcpartpicker.com/

THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>How to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

CPUs:
>G4560 - budget builds (<$500) unless G4620/i3-7100 is heavily discounted
>R5 1500X - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5
>R5 1600 - the best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC
>i7-7700k - bad value but good; may have heat issues even at stock clocks
>R7/Xeon - compute/multitask/mixed use, R5 if budget

Graphics:
>G4560 iGPU - fine for LoL, dota2, rocket league, etc
>1050Ti/RX560 if ~$105 - Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games
>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games
>1060 - Gets outperformed by the RX 580; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA)
>1070 - usually not worth the extra cost for Gsync
>1080 - 1080p@90-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz
>1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings
>Freesync2 & Vega soon

General:
>READ REVIEWS on retailer page to see if that cheap SSD/PSU/whatever is reliable
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk
>Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor
>mATX board+case is often cheaper
>1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs
>Good air cooler is almost always wiser than an AIO

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>>60403645
Rx 470 would be a decent choice and it wouldn't be that much bottlenecked by an fx 8320
Try to see if there's also rx 570s around that price
1050ti is a good card but going from your previous card it would be noticeably worse, so don't do that

>>60403646
>I thought those have no moving parts.
You are right, but apparently this is an issue that exists with M2 SSDs, he's not the first guy to complain about this

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>>60403646
>>60403633
Yeah, I thought the same thing too. Seems like it's not just me though. I'll reboot and have another look, but I'm pretty sure I checked the folders. If I don't find a solution, I will contact Samsung.

https://hardforum.com/threads/ssd-makes-sound-when-thinking-just-me.1513602/

>trying to put memory in pc
>wont go in
>internet says it can take some force
>start pushing that fucker in
>slot snaps off
:)
there was 4 slots. can i use the other ones or is the entire board fucked?

>>60403713
>can i use the other ones or is the entire board fucked?
Maybe, not sure
Considering you jsut fucked one slot i wouldn't recommend fucking up any more slots though
Please post picture of RAM, slot, & post of picture of the RAM above the slot to see if it actually lines up

Seen three guys in the past month getting DDR3 ram rebranded as DDR4, could be this.

>>60403678
Thanks for the advice.

The rx 570s I can find for around that price are Gigabyte's for 224 usd (Aourus ed. slightly more expensive), Sapphire's Pulse for 236 usd and both ASUS and MSI's Gaming X for 258 usd.

Which one is most worth the money?

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>>60403743
The Gigabyte of course, the others are better but they do not provide a performance increase worth the price different at all.
The 570 is decently faster than a 470, it's definitely worth the price if it's just slightly more expensive.

>>60403546
Odd question, but does the Phanteks Enthoo Luxe have a lighting option to turn off the side lights? (other than disconnecting the wires). I prefer not having the case lighting up my room all night and wasting power, tho it is a nice aesthetic when in use.

I've read through the manual online but came up with nothing.

Other than that, I'd settle just fine with the Pro, depending whic is on sale.

>>60403780
The button at the front just cycles between green blue violet and red, there is no "off" option unfortunately

>>60403767
The Gigabyte seems to be out of stock, but I can get the Auros edition for 10 usd more. Still worth it?

why do we have two autism threads. Look at the guts thread, only 1 out of every 10000 wishlists actually gets purchased. who gives a fuck about op/fgt?

>>60403703
glad I knew better than to waste money on one of those. ayy.
Unless you actually do use it as a scratch disk, which I doubt.

>>60403713
Did you not read the manual that tells you to pop open the levers to the side first..?
You can sometimes only use 2 slots first, and the others don't work until those are populated. But yes, maybe, though it may run at slower speed on the others (which is why 2 DIMMS is recommended over 4 with dual channel).

>>60403645
>>60403743
Why would you have paid $180 for the 1050 Ti when the 470 is 50% faster and only $44 more?
That's the obvious choice there, even if your CPU will bottleneck it in many cases.
The Strix 470 might be better than the Aorus. Those were pretty high quality and might handle a BIOS flash, especially if they're dual BIOS. Gigabyte AMD GPUs tend to be loud and hot.
The Gaming X is the second best RX570 after the Red Devil, but it's not worth $34 more (they're only $10-$15 more here)

>>60403852
yes but no higher than that, the RX 570 is just a RX 470 that can achieve higher clock after all

>>60403875
This thread is made to help anons with building the right parts, so the OP is important as it provides them with basic information before they come to us.

>>60403875
Just report the other and move on.

>>60403843
Ah, what a shame. The Pro will still be nice for me. Maybe a little interior lighting and it'll look nice lol

>>60403624
Intel started assembling them poorly. Too much adhesive that spaces the IHS Too far from the die so it can't transfer heat from the die to the IHS to the cooler well.
How bad it really is varies by luck.

>>60403875
OP came to be how it is due to lots of common questions each thread.
The 2 DIMMs thing and NVMe shit especially.
Every single thread you get people asking if NVMe is actually worth it, or putting it in their builds by default because they saw someone else on leddit who was so excited to get their useless overpriced 960 Evo.

Have the RAM speed issues on Ryzen been solved yet? I remember reading something about how fast RAM doesn't work at its native speed because of crappy mobos and you need special RAM designed for Ryzen, but has that been fixed by now?

I'm looking at getting the ASRock AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX with 16GB DDR4 3200mHz RAM, and the mobo says that 3200 is the highest speed that's supported so I should be fine, right?

>>60403891
the 580 is a poor choice for 1440 though, I have an oc 390x that benches about the same and it can only run ultra textures and a high medium mix for a locked 60fps in witcher and fo4, they aren't even new.

>>60403929
fair enough but it is always changing and people argue about it.

>>60403953
>because of crappy mobos
No, because of early software.

>and you need special RAM designed for Ryzen,
Well ,some specific kits do work better to achieve high clocks, but it doesn't mean others do not. Specifically, Samsung B Die RAM kits work the best, but they tend to be much more expensive. Hynix kits have less luck at reaching those high frequencies but still do achieve them at times.

>but has that been fixed by now?
The AGESA update AMD has been working on for the past month and a half is made to address these specific RAM overclocking issues. It's planned to be released with new bioses later this month.

>the mobo says that 3200 is the highest speed that's supported so I should be fine, right?
It's pretty random, we can't tell you for sure.

>>60403958
It's not an ideal choice but it's not a shit choice either, if you do drop a few settings (mostly the ones that cost the most FPS while having the least graphical impact like anti aliasing or such) you can achieve it
But yeah, the GTX 1070 is mostly the card recommended here for 1440p

Who's the best RX 580 vendor? Need a quiet and cool card.

XFX is not an option in my country

>>60403645
What store are you buying from? The ASUS RX480 costs 2190 SEK at Netonnet, getting a 1050 Ti at that price is pointless, especially since even the RX470 outperforms it by a lot.

>>60404007
MSI is pretty good for both quiet and cool

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>>60403958
>I have an oc 390x that benches about the same and it can only run ultra textures and a high medium mix for a locked 60fps in witcher and fo4, they aren't even new.
Witcher 3 is really demanding and FO4 is just plain terribly optimized.
Yes, you're right you won't hit a consistent 60+ on those. But 99.95% of games you can on high/very-high settings.
And hell, most games from the past few years still look great on "medium" even if you had to drop down that low, which you almost never will.

>>60404007
Red Devil GS, GTR-S, or Nitro++.
But I wouldn't spend that much for just a 1080p card. The RX570 has the same number of ROPs and the RX570 Red Devil and Gaming X are clocked high. I'd only buy one of those 3 above if you are doing 1440p and need the best you can get.

>>60404026
>Witcher 3 is really demanding
It's mostly the forced x64 tesselation that is doing this

>>60404026
Oh. I keep forgetting to update the deus ex resolution used there.
And driver got an update for GR Wildlands and it's more like 50 fps on very high 1440p, and 60+ on high.

>>60404015
Hmh, i think I saw a graph that shows that MSI is pretty loud and saw some pretty bad reviews

>>60403884
I play at 1080p, that is why the more cheap 1050 ti grabbed my attention thinking I could accept lower gfx settings and getting away cheaper.

>>60404008
Netonnet and Komplett. I have read that the ASUS RX 580 can be loud + the energy consumption seem to be big compared to the GTX cards.

What's the best processor to pair with a 1080ti for maximum 1440p FPS?

>>60404026
I already ordered a freesync 144hz monitor, so RX580 is my best option.

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>>60404112
The asus strix is definitely quieter and noticeably cooler, but it has a tendency of being decently pricier too

>>60404145
A 7700k would give you the most FPS out of all CPU right now, assuming GPU isn't a bottleneck in the game you'll play (unlikely)
What exactly do you do besides gaming? An R5 1600(x) might be a better choice

>>60404172

I really only game and stream.

>>60404167
What about Sapphire Pulse?

>>60404180
>only game and stream.
R5 1600(x) all the way then, video encoding loves more core and having more headroom left to do so while gaming is much better for both frame pacing & stream quality

Might wanna get a good $50 cooler with it to overclock it. Considering you're going high end, it's a performance boost that definitely could be noticed

>>60404145
7700k

>>60404203

why 1600x over 7700k?

>>60404227
Because you said you stream. Streaming is video encoding, and video-encoding while you're playing a video game requires a decent amount of CPU power. Considering x264 encoding scales very well with cores, it's a no brainer.
The 7700k has only 4 cores / 8 threads, it has some headroom left while gaming (anywhere between 30 & 20%) but that isn't ideal for streaming because of CPU usage spikes that happen in every games, which would cause noticeable stutter should your CPU reach a 100% or close usage.

With the money saved from going r5 1600x instead of 7700k, you could get a great cooler and higher clocked ram to tighten the not that big gap between them in gaming.

>>60404120
The 470 or 570 is the way to go for 1080p but they cost almost the same as the 480 here in Sweden

>>60404120
>I play at 1080p, that is why the more cheap 1050 ti grabbed my attention thinking I could accept lower gfx settings and getting away cheaper.
Ah. Well that would be the case, yes. But if you do play new games, there will sooner come a point that the 1050Ti doesn't even play stuff on low-medium at 60fps+.
1050Ti wouldn't be a bad choice though. You just may need to upgrade again sooner.

You said you had a 9750 which doesn't exist. I'm guessing you meant a 7950. The 1050Ti is slower in some cases than the 7950 (DX12/Vulkan) while the RX570 is 70-100% faster.

>purchased 1800x
>i9 announced immediately after
fucking hell

>>60404361
There was non i9 announcement
You didn't purchase a 1800x
stop baiting!

>>60404181
Somewhat decent but others are often better at cooling

Would an i5-2400 bottleneck an RX 580 much? I plan to throw together a junker from used parts and the i5-2400 can be found plentiful and cheap pulled from old office PCs.

>>60404816
Yes, it would bottleneck it quite noticeably. It's still fine if it's a placeholder for two or three months

>>60404833
Well I was planning to eventually upgrade to an i7-3770 but probably not in a few months, more like a few years once they're $50~

Damn, I guess sandy bridge is getting a bit old these days.

>>60404816
Yes. The 2500k was only god-tier because you could OC it to 5GHz, and even it is insufficient in many new games.

Does anyone know any good places to buy 10 bit monitors in Aus.

Any recommendations on cheap good quality 10 bit monitors with at least 1440p. The refresh rate doesnt matter as not gaymur faggot

Where do you guys look for benchmarks? I'm trying to find some rx560 vs gtx 1050ti online but apparently I am too dumb.(only thing that shows up right now on YouTube are 1050 2gb vs rx560 4gb which seems pointless to me).

Any proper write ups that aren't shilled to high hell about building home servers? I'm looking to build a simple fileserver/DLNA mediaserver.

>>60405147
eurogamer, anandtech and techpowerup

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final build in AUD
debating whether I should keep my 3 year old PSU (650w, bronze, modular)
i don't care about memes, shilling, waiting for vega and amd cores anymore, i just want to buy these and build it

>>60405168
>replacing a perfectly fine power supply with corsair trash

nigga if all you gonna do is downgrade, don't bother.

>>60405185
but my current rig literally blue-screened/restarted every other day last summer, would that have an effect on the psu

I'm guessing something inside overheated because it only does that when its a summer day

>>60405147
>Where do you guys look for benchmarks
guru3d, oc3d, hardware unboxed.

>>60405158
Is servethehome bad?

>>60404917
Amazon.com

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Any recommendations for a case with lots of 5.25 bays (as in 10 or more) for a NAS?
Preferably without the gaymur shit look.
I found Lian Li, but they're kinda expensive.

tldr: something like pic related but cheaper?

>>60404361
intels 10nm is going to be slower than their current chips. But will consume a bit less power.

>>60406169
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100008044%20600010479%20600010482%20600010483

>>60406504
None of those have 10 or more 5.25 bays.

What is the LEAST compromised build one can make, if one doesn't care about price or performance? Ie: Minimum number of security holes in the hardware, meaning no Intel chips with NSA backdoors, HDD instead of SSD, etc.

What's the best way to check the health and read/write speed for my SSD?

>>60406540
But they have 3.5" bays with much better or reliable backplanes than the overpriced, shitty SATA'based backplanes on the 5.25" conversions.

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Alright, this might sound pretty retarded, but what's the most portable/smallest and efficient build I can make?

I need a PC I can move back and forth between Europe and America only between 2-3 times a year, but I need it to fit in a hand baggage.

Once it has been moved, it would remain put for at least 3 months then move again.

Does anyone have an unused Windows activation key? Play Asia screwed me and I got one that is already in use

>>60406654
But I need to fit in both 3.5'' and 2.5'' HDDs.
Just seems like a waste of space to put a 2.5'' HDD in a 3.5'' backplane.

>>60406707
You're a fucking idiot. You can fit both 2,5" and 3.5" in 3.5" hotswap trays. There are cases in that list with both sizes of hotswap bays. Quit complaining, you little bitch.

>>60406695
Don't let them fuck you over, make them give you a new NEW one. Unless your consumer laws are fucking shit, as a last resort you can do a chargeback because they didn't uphold their end of the transaction.

>>60406695
Assuming win 7, use Dazloader, or if you don't want to risk becoming part of a 'Russian' botnet you can YouTube how to keep a wall paper up and stop the taskbar forcing to the top. That will allow you to basically have everything other than updates. I've been running that myself for many years no problem

What's the reason why ps/2 was abandonned again?

>>60406695

Buying a Windows key kek

Kmspico for activision, don't Google it and download it you will most likely come across the fake virus riddled versions.

I think the forum is called digitiallife forum

Ksmpico nova portable if what you need

>>60406749

Kms*

Whats the difference?

https://www.ple.com.au/Products/627323/Galax-GeForce-GTX1080Ti-Founders-Edition-11GB-GDDR5X

https://www.ple.com.au/Products/627356/ASUS-GeForce-GTX1080Ti-Founders-Edition-11GB-GDDR5X

>>60406741
it wasnt?!

>>60406749
>>60406695
http://kmspico10.com/

>>60406685
Depends on how much horsepower you need, it's going to be tough to have a GPU in anything smaller than mITX

Anyone know any good mATX mobos for an R5 1600X?

>>60406879
Enough for 3D modeling and video editing.
Whatever I end up building shouldn't work worse than my shitty laptop.

>>60406760
>>60406749
oh god i remember accidentally downloading one of the virus riddled ones,and my fucking friend installed bonzi buddy and for whatever fucking reason the virus pico stopped working after installing bonzi

>>60406814

Don't use this site unless you want to be assfucked

I play old games (pre-2012).
Is G4560 + RX 460 + 4GB RAM enough to 1080p60fps all those games?

>>60406943
check the hashes of the dl you idiot, theyre exactly the same

>>60407048
Yes. RX460 does like 160+ FPS in SC2, for example. Even more in CSGO.

>>60407048
Should do. But if you see yourself doing more with PC's in the future, but not having expendable cash [insert upsale here]
Particularly the GPU because to upgrade that CPU would also requite a mobo, and everyone is more cased up in the future; that and you may want a newer game at some point. Keep an eye put for sales. Also I think the 560 is a thing now.

Does anyone know if I'd be able to fit 2x 1080's in a mid tower case like this? I'm thinking ahead for the future and don't want to have to buy a new case in like a years time.

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/36366/phanteks-enthoo-pro-m-tempered-glass-edition

>>60407174
Why would you? SLI is garbage.

>>60407093
>>60407133
Thank you.

>>60407174
As long as they're two slot cards.

>>60407252
>I want as bigga e-peen as possible
But why is SLI bad?

>>60407048
You might even get by without the rx460.

>>60407299
If I'm not mistaken, Nvidia never fixed the microstutter problem with SLI.
Can anyone prove otherwise?

You're better off getting a Titan Xp or waiting for Vega. You want the best single card possible.
If you do dual card, Crossfire tends to scale better and AMD fixed their own microstutter problem with it ages ago. But I still wouldn't recommend it.

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looking for a 1200$ pc with monitor only used for gamen.

I play paradox games and mount and blade.

>>60407363
The only reason I was even considering SLI later on is that I am looking into the future. I am going to get a 2k 144hz monitor but I can't afford 2x 1080's or a Titan right now.

>>60406796
Why is most every product using USB then?

>>60406749

>still paying for w10 keys
>not installing vanilla W7 Pro and forcing the W10 update

Pathetic

>>60407048
>>60407300
This Anon is correct.

You should just try using the iGPU first, and see how you get by with that before upgrading the GPU.
If you upgrade, I think the RX460 is something like 5-6x the iGPU performance, and RX560/1050ti even more better.

>>60407456
A single 1080Ti does 1440p pretty well, dude. Gets 144fps in lots of games. Worst it does is like 90 on 1% minimums for some games, or the averages for shitty games like GR Wildlands.
Or you can wait for Vega. It'll likely outdo the 1080Ti at 1440p.

>>60407372
I'd say 1600X and RX570.
Paradox games are never well threaded from what I've seen, but the 1600X single threaded performance is still plenty for those games. May as well have the left over performance for other shit since it's cheap anyway and well within your budget.

I still need to test how Stellaris and Cities Skylines run on my 1600X. They were chugging my i5-2500k sometimes. But a lot of games so far have been over 50% better average and with none of the slow downs and stutters.

>>60407478
most come with an adapter, both my keybpard and mouse did. my mobo still has one ps2 port as does literally every mother board shipped today

>>60406685
a netbook

Are memetops worth it at all? I am lazy but have and make money.

>>60406685
mitx in a cube case (easier to take in luggage). Im in a similar situation, i have to travel for work twice a month so i have an mitx build and i use my tablet as a screen.

>>60406685
I don't know what your regulations on hand luggage on planes are, but here it's 55 x 40 x 25 cm, max. 8 kg. Like the other replies said, that limits you to miniITX.

>>60407597
>1600x + 570
i'll opt for the 580

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pRKPD8

only thing i'm unsure of is the monitor, otherwise how's it look?

>>60407663
For gayming no. For basic productivity things such as email and Microsoft office yes.

I just bought my 1050ti and ready to plug it in to pic.related.
I was just wondering for my monitor Lenovo LI2364d, if they say it has 60-75hz.
Does that mean that I have to 'overclock' the Hz on it from 60 and above or just let it be (automatically integrated)?

>>60407789
Pretty good the cpu will out last the gpu. So when you upgrade you will only need to do gpu

>>60405213
>servethehome
Yeah, this looks pretty good. Thanks.

>>60407881
good to know thanks.

>>60407880
Go into the Windows settings for your monitor and there should be a drop down menu for hz on your monitor.

>>60407880
it probably supports 75hz at lower res, but that usually means you can overclock it to that easily.

>>60406883
How much do you want to spend?

>mid range
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6T7CmG/gigabyte-ga-ab350m-gaming-3-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ab350m-gaming-3

>cheep
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JngPxr/msi-a320m-grenade-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-a320m-grenade

>>60407789
>i'll opt for the 580
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pRKPD8
That Gigabyte one is pretty loud and hot.
Just save the $40 and get the RX570 Red Devil. It's 99% the same performance at 1080p as that lower end RX580. Assuming the Red Devil fits in your case; it's really long.

Drop the HDD and use the savings on that and the GPU to get a good 1TB SSD like the SU800 or MX300 instead.
The ASUS b350 Prime mATX is cheaper and better than that board, too.

>>60407880
>>60408040
Often you have to reduce the color accuracy to overclock.

>>60408109
Nvm. The Red Devil RX570 is like never in stock. The ROG Strix and XFX RS are other good RX570s. The prices look a bit silly at the moment, though. They were all $170-$180 a few days ago. So it could be better going with the Gigabyte 580 and just not running it 100%.

>>60408086
Well, I don't mind paying a bit more than the cheapest option
>Gigabyte GA-AB350M
That looks quite good for my purposes, thanks!

Is a 1080 gtx with an i7 7700k going to overheat in a midsize air cooled tower?

It will all fit perfectly fine, and the tower is mostly aluminum mesh. 2 front fans, 2 back fans, 1 top exhaust.

Also, will rubbing my extta thermal paste on my balls cause any health problems? Id like the cooling effects to persist over the summer. It's non-conductive, so I wont get metal poisoning.

What's the difference between a B350 and a X370 chipset motherboard? Like, should an average user who might overclock a little go for an X370 in all cases?

>>60408428
nope, should be more than fine.

So, a few questions.
Probably I could get a new Ryzen 5, namely the 1400 chip through the summer. However, I could also get a second hand i7-3770 for like $175 as it fits to my motherboard. Which would be better?
And the other question about graphics card: Should I pick up an RX 570 4GB or get an R9 390/GTX 970(again, these two are second hand). The 570 here costs more than these, and I'm wondering if I should pull the trigger.

Are XFX PSUs good? I can't find Seasonic ones where I live.

Also is logicalincrements.com a trustworthy website?

>>60408887
I've had many XFX built parts over the years and have never had an issue. You should be fine anon.

>>60408887
Aren't XFX psus manufactured by Seasonic?

>>60409068
I heard that around, wanted to confirm it, you never know if it's just marketing.

>>60409086
Looked it up on google, its true.

>>60408887
>Also is logicalexcrements a trustworthy website?
No. It's a shill site that recommends what they're paid to recommend.
Yes. XFX PSUs are generally good. Anything made by Seasonic like most(all?) Silverstone's as well.
Some Rosewill's can be good as well, and EVGA's too. It just depends model to model and manufacturer.

>>60407363
IIRC, both AMD and Nvidia made a big deal about fixing it in crossfire/SLi a few years ago, with Nvidia actually releasing their fix first. No idea what the current situation is.

>>60408430
x370 has more ports and more PCI-e lanes as well as potentially support for crossfire/SLi. b350 supports overclocking as well, so you don't NEED to go x370 if you want to overclock.

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looking for 2300$ for a computer with a monitor included, not sure whether to rock i7 or ryzen 7, so i figure i'll ask for a build here.
I figure the monitor will be 1080p144hz or 1440p144hz, either is fine.

What is a good AM4 B350 motherboard?

>>60409532
Well, what's the computer for? If it's for pure gaming, 7700k is the best you can get. If you want to do shit like streaming the games you play or video editing, R7s are better for that, and still capable for gaming.

Gaming PC is on the way.
Anybody can recommend a decent mouse and keyboard?

>>60409667
macintosh makes the best keyboards

>>60405168
What was the original warranty on the PSU? IF it was 5+ years you're probably fine.

>>60406685
>>60407630
A netbook can be booted and searched/spyware infected going through the airport.

>is logicalincrements.com a trustworthy website
Yes. Their recommendations are a fair starting point when looking at how to balance a gaming build budget. Don't take their builds verbatim and always get a second opinion

There is no evidence that falcon is a paid shill, someone is just mad that he has a different opinion

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>>60409532
Ryzen for 1440p a best. The better minimums become a bigger deal the more you're GPU bottlenecked.
Dunno why you'd spend that much money to game on 1080p. My build will be less than 2k after Vega comes, and I'm looking at 4K.

>>60409667
I like steel series. I've never had any "buggy" mouse behavior happen with it like so many mouse. My "legendary" MX518 wore down so fast. My Razer deathadder broke so quickly and had a meh shape to it. And Steel Series software is great. Uses for resources, easy to use, etc.
For keyboard, building your own from a kit is best.

>>60409667
There's usually a thread about this... you'll get more info from that thread.

The best keyboard imo is the cheapest one that won't ghost on common game input.

The best mouse is one you find comfortable that has a sensor precise enough to make 1-pixel movements without dropping the dpi too low, on a low-friction mousepad.

>>60409664
Gaming only basically

Would anyone have a recommendation for a mATX case with good airflow? I really have no knowledge about what to look for in a case.

Is there any reaon to get seasonic-rerands if I can get actual seasonics far cheaper?

>>60409771
Thanks man, will consider it.

>>60409796
There's only a thread about mechanical keyboards.

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I searched everywhere and couldn't find a clear answer.
I have 2 powerline network adapters for one PC already (not these specifically). I need to know what exactly will happens if I ADD A THIRD ONE IN ANOTHER ROOM that will likely be a completely different models and brand.

Will it even work?
If it does work, how will the internet speed/bandwidth be divided if both PCs are doing their own things at the same time?
And if the bandwidth is constantly divided by half for both PCs like I fear it will, would you recommend using a wifi dongle instead?

Thanks

>>60409900
Seconding this too.

>>60409532
Idk how to spend that much on a pc but you might like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tjxLxY

>good air cooler is almost always wiser than AIO

lol lies

good air cooler is far less effective than an AIO

>>60410382
I'm a retard, what does AIO mean in this context?

>>60410461

All In One. It's a liquid CPU cooler. And I don't see why people keep giving them flak.

1. They're far better at keeping temps down during stressful CPU operation
2. There hasn't been an issue since the old corsair h100
3. they allow much better airflow for the motherboard and GPU

But for some reason /g/ can't stop sucking heatsink dick.

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What would be the recommended fan setup for a P400S? The intake holes near the top and bottom are pretty tight, so it seems like it would be difficult to get the pressure to neutral.

>>60410513
put all the fans on intake except for the rear one if you want good temps

Is this too shit? I only have £600-£650 and won't be playing super graphics heavy games (DayZ tier and even that is rare). I've never built a computer before so I'm not sure if I'm rusing myself.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nknxm8

http://computerorbit.com/cit-jet-stream-black-midi-case-with-silver-stripe-500w-power-supply.html

Case is purely because it comes with the PSU whereas the other ones either don't or are out of my price range.

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Hey, I want to build a PC for gaming and statistical stuff. The most intensive games I would run would be stuff like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls stuff. The stats program that I would be using is called R. Ideally, I would like to shave some money off of this build. Any advice would be appreciated, and I can paste the components build not as an image if need be.

I want to build a PC that easily leaves room for upgrades. Are motherboards something I can cheap out on now or are they something I have to just pony up the money for? I'm getting a 1600. Was looking at 1500X, but buying a decent cooler on top of that equals to the cost of a 1600 anyways in my country.

For storage, I'm hovering between going the 275GB SSD + 2TB HDD route, or spending $150 more straight up for a single 1TB SSD. The SSDs would be the MX300s as I've read they're good if I don't want to pay the Samsung premium.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f4LVXH - This is my in ~5 months build
Currently using Asrock Extreme3 Gen3 Z68 with i5 2400 and purchased parts listed, with i7 3770 in the mail for a decent $125 CPU upgrade. Planning to get the predator X34 before new motherboard so upgrading the old motherboard. Might even get some G.Skill DDR3 2400mhz for the 10fps or so boost if the GPU bottleneck holds long enough on 3440x1440

>>60410513
Install two >1.8mm/H2O pressure rated fans in the front. Ignore the air flow rating, since it's not as important as how forcefully the fans can move air from the tiny front intakes. I'd also recommend getting a fan shroud or one of those vortex-generating rear fan grill, especially for the bottom front fan

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Looking for an advice. I was going to build a i5-7500 and GTX 1060 based PC later this summer. I use some of nvidia's deep learning CUDA functionalities so radeon is out of question but I'm wondering if I should pass on the i5 for the R5. Is AMD & nvidia combination a good idea?

>>60410614
>i5
>that case
>enough to bottleneck a 1060, but gets a 1070
mm nope

>>60410614
R isn't really that compute intensive, it's all a command at a time and even old uni computers run them as fast. I'd go with a ryzen 1600 and OC it though, even the stock coolers do that well. Will perform 65% as well as $1500 intel CPU in multithreaded tests, and less than 5% drop in single core tests

>>60410726
1060+R5 won't be ideal for gayming until Nvidia fixes their driver, but it will be good for CUDA shit, yes.

>>60410709
>$1200 monitor
>not even HDR10
>ultrashort
>that extra $400 for Gsync, more than the GPU itself costs.
eesh.

>>60410574
you don't want a case with bundled psu. they are 90% of the time shit quality and i wouldn't be comfortable running a gaming pc on one.

>>60410820
>until Nvidia fixes their driver
see that happening anytime soon?

>>60410765
Yah, i'm sure you figured that out, but I'm kind of an idiot. Whats wrong with the case, exactly?
>>60410793
I will look into that, thank you!

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hi /pcbg anyone know something about gigabyte ab350m motherboards not suporting RAM. I have 2x4gb patriot viper4 2400mhz and PC works fine but crashes at some point. Tried putting latest version of bios but that doesnt help.
Could it be too low voltage for that freq or just shit motherboard and need to wait 2 more months for new bios update

>>60410820
More like $160 extra if you compare it to the freesync acer which is only 75hz. In Australia the X34 is like $850US on sale also cos we're close to Asia

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Jesus christ, the prices for psu's in greece are so fucked.
Trying to put up a Ryzen 5 1600 build together and i need a good cheap PSU that won't fry my shit up.
From what i've read corsair makes pretty shitty cheap psu's atm like for example the VS series even tho everyone in the comments give them positive feedback.
To give a general idea of the build i'm going for a b350 mobo r5 1600 3200mhz 2x8gb ram rx580 8gb or rx vega(if that turns out to be a worthwhile budget option) 1 ssd and 1 nvme.
Budget for psu is about 50-80euros i made a quick pic with a list of popular psu's in greece and source is http://www.skroutz.gr/c/30/psu-trofodotika/f/405607/%CE%91%CF%80%CF%8C-501W-%CE%AD%CF%89%CF%82-650W.html?order_by=pricevat&order_dir=asc which is a price comparison website in greece.
From what i've gathered in most ryzen builds with an rx 580 which appears to be watt hungry i'll probably need a 600-650W psu.
Would greatly appreciate a piece of good advice on psu's i'll be stuck with this build for a long time, also don't care about power bills so the plus certificates don't really matter.

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>>60410820
also this
>ultrashort
no, it's called 'panoramic' video film and was invented in the late 19th century

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Hey just put together my PC and installed Windows. I was about to start removing bloat when a friend recommended TronScript. Is there any reason one wouldn't use this?

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For gayming n shit. Tell me about my memes /g/

>>60410928
would totally NOT recommend VS550, coil whines like a bitch. Also watch out for the RAM, you could get the same issue as me (>>60410889)

>>60410833
Fuck. I'll look elsewhere for a case and PSU then, thanks. Other than that does everything else look okay?

What's the best CPU for 1080p144hz?

>>60410988
It's the same as my future build but Fractal Design R5 blackout edition and maybe 1700X cos the price went down

>>60410857
idk. It is making them look bad. People bitching on their forums that their GPU is useless to them. It shouldn't be a terribly difficult fix.

>>60410876
The case looks ugly and is probably not great to work with. Aren't the reviews on it actually good? I thought I saw that before and they were bad.

>>60410928
The Be Quiet one. Or the Thermaltake. Those are top 2 there.
Don't get Corsair CS/CX/VS. They are garbage now days.
The M12II is a solid PSU but almost double what it should cost.

>From what i've gathered in most ryzen builds with an rx 580 which appears to be watt hungry i'll probably need a 600-650W psu.
Um no. You won't use over 350. But 500-550 gives you some headroom.
You could also lower cost by just getting an RX570. There isn't much difference between the two clock-for-clock at 1080p.

>>60410889
Idk but yeah try putting it at 1.35v manually and run RAM stability tests.

>>60410964
Your eyes focus on a roughly 1:1 area, and semi-focus is 5:3.

>>60410988
>960 Evo
Why do you only have a scratch disk but no drive for your actual OS and files and stuff?

>keep hearing "Ryzen wants fast RAM, at least 3GHz"
>search for AM4 boards that support 3GHz+ RAM
>it's not even an option in Newegg power search, meaning it literally does not exist

>>60411003
7700K for now, 1700 for future AAA gayms

>>60411003
Depends on games. Some games simply won't do that framerate. But 1600X/6700k/7700k are all good for that for the games that can manage it like For Honor and stuff.

>>60411022
The reviews I saw said that it was decent enough for an entry build, but i'll look more. Also
>not liking orange

>>60411022
Because I already own some drives that aren't in use ATM so I just didn't include them. My bad

r7 1700 (non X) or i7 7700k?
also, i5 7600k/GTX1070 or i7 7700k/RX580? daily computer, no gaming, dual 1440p

>>60411022
> Why do you only have a scratch disk but no drive for your actual OS and files and stuff?
Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor

>>60411038
>>60411052
I will probably be getting vega but I have been basing my thoughts from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4T6JY2uB8 where ryzen seems to lose. Is this because of novidya gimping? Is it possible that vega will make ryzen competitive? Seems like the only answer is to wait for vega. The 1700 seems like a superb future proof purchase. I will also probably play in 4k some time down the line so I would like to have a CPU capable of that whenever it happens.

>>60404816
I'm upgrading from 2400 to r5 1600 and it's good enough in most games, but don't expect to have anything open in the background. Also if you're gsg autist like me every paradox game becomes huge stutter fest in mid game. Other than that I play all games in 60fps fine.

>>60410993
>Also watch out for the RAM
I am anon... going to overspend on a 3200mhz cas 14 g.skill flare x one because this one is actually listed on asrock's qvl as being supported at 3200mhz speed and out of all the qvls for all the motherboards i've checked so far this seems like my best option right now.
>>60411022
>The Be Quiet one. Or the Thermaltake. Those are top 2 there.
Are you sure those particular ones are good tho? I know in general those brands generally mean quality but an anon from an earlier thread recommended me the M12II which i personally find it very overpriced considering it is also unpopular here and if i add shipping from the few sellers that sell it in greece it is just a bad option right now.
>You could also lower cost by just getting an RX570. There isn't much difference between the two clock-for-clock at 1080p.
Planing to buy a 1440p freesync monitor in the mid-summer and i'm also buying an htc vive with this build which is why i generally plan to wait for vega first considering rx 580 might run into troubles in more demanding vr titles. Also the price difference between 570/580 is minimal in greece because fuck my taxes up going to pay 300euros for my rx 580 8gb when americans buy them for 220dollars which equals to 200euros, absolutely retarded

>>60411026
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y4kwrH/msi-b350-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-b350-tomahawk

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c2DzK8/msi-b350-pc-mate-atx-am4-motherboard-b350-pc-mate

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qMdFf7/asus-prime-x370-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-x370-pro

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fPDzK8/asus-prime-b350-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350-plus

And every other mobo I clicked on. Spend 5 mins looking and you will find what you need.

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>>60411073
just general use computer?
YOU NEED MEGA-TASKING.

>>60411074
960 Evo is NVMe. Tard.

>>60411143
Nvidia driver holds it back. Picture related.

>>60411180
You could look for more in depth reviews, and look for reviews on other sites which have more feedback.

>>60411227
> 960 Evo is NVMe. Tard.
With sata-tier speed and price.
>The sequential write performances after Intelligent TurboWrite region are 300 MB/s(250GB),600 MB/s(500GB) and 1200 MB/s(1TB).

need a mitx case for a NAS

needs 4 3,5'' drive bays
no stupid logos on the front panel

any suggestions?
i like the Fractal Design FD-CA-NODE-304 but its a little too big

>>60407665
>>60407690
That's good to hear. I was also considering getting one or two AOC portable monitors for my laptop, so they can add up to your idea.

Will a mITX be enough, though? How much horsepower does your own mITX have? Also, I've heard mITX builds are expensive.

>>60411297
>With sata-tier speed
In real world, yes. In synthetics, no.
2.3Gb/s write speed, 5 times higher than the 850 Evo's 448MB/s.
But real world performance is the same - as with any NVMe in a desktop PC outside of being used for a scratch disk.

>>60411227
Is there a benchmark showing OCd ryzen7 vs OCd 7700k where the graphics cards are the rx480 and the gtx1060. A bunch of games though not just one. I'm mainly looking at witcher 3, GTA. My most played game is overwatch but that will get over 144 fps easily cause I play it on low.

>>60411402
Not really, not that I'm aware but I heard Hardware Unboxed was going to be doing the RX580 vs 1060 test on Ryzen soon.

Rate my UTM server
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8pZd6

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>>60411143
See pic for example of 7700K shitting itself at 4K

>>60411397
>Sequential Write performance measurements based on Intelligent TurboWrite technology. The sequential write performances after Intelligent TurboWrite region are 300 MB/s(250GB),600 MB/s(500GB) and 1200 MB/s(1TB).
Anon, assuming you meant 2.3GBYTE/s, that's just a fucking cache speed. Fucking gook marketing.

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>>60411402
This is GTX 1070 so close enough

>>60411397
>In real world, yes
... So yes, then?

>>60411143
Oh I missed the 4k part.
Obviously a Ryzen 6 or 8 core, then. No question. The minimums are way better. Smoother, more consistent. That shows up more without 7700k's generally higher max frames skewing the average up more.

>>60411513
idk dude apparently you missed my joke. I already understand this. That's why I made a joke about him just having a scratch disk and no
storage drive.

>>60411580
... yes. SATA speed in the real world at higher price than SATA. Faster speed only in synthetics and scratch disk usage.

>>60411600
Why are you so obsessed with the term "scratch disk"? I don't think you know what that term means

>>60411442
what ive been doing now is trying to compare the fps of
this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiYQqNiqQKU
where hardware unboxed uses an OCd 6700k

and then comparing it to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E36vwoQrIsE
where this joker guy has an OCd 1800x

would be interesting to see what hardware unboxed does with the 580 as that would be more relevant than their 5 month old video.


>>60411507
Also this seems quite interesting. A 17 fps min is literally trash. I do expect to get a 4k monitor and play AAA games on that whereas the 1080p144hz will be mostly for shooters or mobas which are piss easy to run anyways.

>>60411559
I'm seriously considering selling my 6700k now for something that will be a lot more future proof. Also I have dabbled in streaming and the 6700k just doesn't cut it for 1080p60.

Now the question is whether to settle for the 1700 and hope for a good dice roll or go for the 1800x. The only problem being where to sell the 6700k+mobo+cooler.

>>60411600
>>60411580
As a long time user of hybrid/shdd drives and ssd caching, I can asume that in real world it too should feel faster than sata drives.
Scratch disk means heavy IO over fuckhuge amount of data, that's where EVO would fail spectacularly.

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>>60411642
The 1700 will still get 3.9Ghz minimum, like 200mhz worse than the best 1800Xs
Forgot I had some relevant benches for you re: mid range cards. An example of a badly optimised game for ryzen on nvidia gpu. If I was in your sitch I'd get an RX580 and 1700 for perfectly smooth 1080p and future smooth 4K on high/med settings

>>60411022
Oh well, crap.
>The Be Quiet one.
After checking some reviews and some replies on tom's hardware it appears to be of questionable quality
>Or the Thermaltake
Found people complaining about it dying after 3 years of use which is funny considering it died right after their warranty was over.
I'm actually leaning towards the thermaltake right now considering at least everyone seems to agree that at least for the first 3 years they had 0 issues but still i wouldn't mind paying +20-30euros for a more reliable option. Maybe i should just get a supernova and get it over with but i'll go over budget with that and generally the idea of spending over 100euros for a psu just doesn't sit well with me considering this is a budget build i'm working on.

>>60411740
Also note these benches aren't with OC, so the 1800X has a clock speed handicap

>>60411642
You can sometimes find 1800X for sale at around $420. That's not a bad price. I wouldn't pay the $500 or $470 or whatever for one, though.

>and then comparing it to this video:
Yeah can't really do that due to different RAM speeds.
Those results look fine for the 1060 on Ryzen there, though. It seems like the problem is just in DX12/Vulkan/Gameworks except for some other few cases. Most of the time you can choose an alternative to DX2/Vulkan in the the settings.

>>60411740
Best 1800Xs do better than 4.1. 4.1 on them is pretty average. There's people getting 4.15-4.25 at 1.4v or less.

>>60411767
Well the 550RM is the one there I'd get if you want to spend more, I'm just not really sure it's worth twice the cost. M12II are almost as good but they do occasionally die or start whining for some people, too.

>>60411740
I've got a 290x currently. Kinda like a slightly shittier 480. I will probably hold off on vega until the third party guys release some nice stuff.

desu I would even consider waiting until black friday to upgrade everything cause that is when the best deals come.

>>60411402
Both of those CPUs are overkill for a 480/1060 tier card. You'll be gfx card limited in both cases at normal settings.

If you are absolutely obsessed with high framerates, an OC'd 7700K is better because it has plenty of threads and stronger single core performance.

>>60411143
In most current games, the 7700K wins. Even though the R7 1700 and the 7700K are priced similarly, they aren't really direct competitors. The 1700 competes against Intel's lower clocked workstation CPUs like the i7 5930K.

>>60411073
None of that. For "daily computer" which I assume means shitposting, you could get the G4560 and drive both your monitors.

>>60410614
Unless you have a 1440p monitor, drop to 1060 6GB or 580 4GB. Consider swapping to R5 1500X if that stats program supports multithreading.

>>60410574
Drop to 1500X unless you do video editing or something. That RAM may not work with Ryzen. Start here:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/CmDHxr
You can save yourself money by getting an SSD later.

>>60411634
... because a scratch disk is exactly what NVMe is useful for for desktop users. You'll notice the difference a lot by assigning scratch disk to it for photoshop, video editing, and so on. But for no other purpose.
Christ. Why do you act so high and mighty, like you know everything, when you don't even know that?

>>60411642
>I'm seriously considering selling my 6700k now for something that will be a lot more future proof. Also I have dabbled in streaming and the 6700k just doesn't cut it for 1080p60.
If you're actually going to stream, get an eight core Ryzen. Otherwise stick with the 6700K for now.

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How does this RX580 compare to others on the market? I had to cancel 2 other orders for another brand because they were out of stock and I just wanna get this shit done because I have literally every other component on my list.

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-RX-580-ARMOR-4G/dp/B06XZZ93FQ/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1494874795&sr=1-6&keywords=rx580

>>60411966
>because a scratch disk is exactly what NVMe is useful for for desktop users
>But for no other purpose
>But for no other purpose
>But for no other purpose
>But
>for
>no
>other
>purpose

Boy, you REALLY have no idea what you're talking about. I've been using PCIe drives before NVMe was even standardized and I know for sure that this is bull.

>>60412018
He's a retard who can only write in hyperbole. Just shit on him and move on.

>>60410820
It's $100 extra including the extra 25hz and arguably better design
Seriously I like AMD but check your sources or you're just a shill

>>60412018
k, go ahead and enlighten us as to what else an NVMe is useful for.
It doesn't make load or boot times faster.
It can make file saves marginally faster, but that's not as noticeable as how often scratch disk is hit.

>>60411855
nice dubs, prob of wisdom
I'll wait a good 6 months before I upgrade my GTX1070 or possibly the best vega GPU sooner if some faster hz freesync qhd ultrawide monitors are announced

>>60411227
i do need mega tasking, wat get?
>>60411887
nah not really, my desktop back home has i7 4770k, macbook pro has the i5 and SP3 has the i3. for something id like to use for speed when all the portable shit gets too real id prefer something fast.
ryzen 5 1600 is the lowest ill go desu, either R5 1600 or i5-7600k depending on which of those two is slower. G4560 would be a joke basically.

and honestly, i can afford it so why not?

>>60412067
>Acer XR342CK
$634.07
>Acer Predator X34
$1249.99

ok ur right it's $615.92 difference.
faggot

>>60412074
Aye, i use my NVMe for games with huge maps like world of warcraft, it sure feels good getting rid of that loading screen. Also for maximum benefit from your NVMe you should use it with another ssd which has your windows so you can get full read/write speeds from your NVMe considering it's write speeds are halved when it reads/writes onto itself and is much more useful when it reads or writes from/to something else.

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>>60412111
wew first trips in awhile. the board seems to award dubs respect

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which of these systems do i get?
shit i do is cpu intensive (photoshop, chrome) and not that gpu intensive (only occasionally modded gta4/5 for the lols) so gpu doesnt matter too much but id like a point where i can run dual 1440p properly.

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Good buy?

>>60412142
The price diff. is $100usd in my country, $1000usd for X34 and $890 for XR342CK

>>60412223
I'm sorry, I thought this was America.

>>60412212
Get the Trident Z 3200mhz and OC r5 1700/X

>>60412074
>It doesn't make load or boot times faster
It does, but to really get the most our of it, I boot four VMs simultaneously from a 960 EVO, one virtual desktop for another room, one virtual desktop for my use, one proxy server for both VDs, and one maintenance/sandbox VM. Doing this on a single SATA SSD takes as long as loading one machine on a regular 7200rpm drive, but moving them into the same NVMe means that I get practically the same amount of performance as if I had loaded them from four separate SSDs.
Before that, I was using the same drive as a primary application/program drive, which makes running and closing software much faster, especially if you're doing multiple things at once (like opening a virtualbox VM and closing a web browser, and indexing local files at the same time). Put the same load on a SATA SSD (like my old 850 PRO) would cause it to delay performing one operation while the others were running. SATA is a bottleneck for handling multiple requests onto a fast SSD, NVMe/PCIe is full duplex, thus can handle multiple operations at once without delay.

>>60412262
you mean r7 for ryzen 7 1700x?

>>60412249
in America you get cucked for popular products

Usb Wifi dongle VS internal wifi card, what's best

>>60412262
why?

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X/3647vs3915

>>60412319
cable

>>60412320
>http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X/3647vs3915
See
>>>60411740
>>60411559
>>60411507

What's a good CPU to go with a GTX 1060?

>>60412334
Across 3 rooms and nearly 10 meters? Not happening.

>>60412363
A $20 switch and four cables

>>60412399
>cables
Again, no.

>>60412411
Drill some fucking holes into your wall and route the cables through, then

>>60412420
Don't make me say it again. I was perfectly fine with the wifi of my toaster laptop and I almost never bother with online gayming I just need the best download speed

>>60412420
>drill
No thank you.

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>retards that tell you to have your top fans blowing in

>>60411887
I'll look at the 1500X. Is there a motherboard that you might recommend to go with that?

>>60412442
>I just need the best download speed
Two cables and a wireless bridge at both ends

>>60412496
Can I at least use a powerline adapter? >>60410237

>>60412489
You can see a suggested mobo and RAM in the build that I linked for the other anon

>>60412548
Yeah just buy a range extender bro

>>60412605
Oh, never fucking mind, I checked the adapter I already had and there's only one connector for my other PC anyway.
I don't even know if adapters with 2 ethernet connectors even exist and I would need to buy another pair, with guarentee it would work with the third one I already have.

Which means I have to go wireless, and a PCI wifi card is obviously gonna perform better than a dumb USB thing.
Thanks anyway.

Hey guys, so now after upgrading cpu I have old parts left (i5-2400, h67mobo and 8gb of ram) which I wanted to sell. How much do I think I could get out of this? I know it's not gonna be much but do you think I could get about 150-200$?

Redpill me on this one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jHGj4D/lg-29uc88-b-290-monitor-29uc88-b I've found much cheaper (450€ with free shipping) from amazon. Is there something better I could spend my money on or is it worth it. I only really use my computer to watch movies and to play games

>>60413211
Check sold listings on ebay. And no, I don't think you can get that much.

>>60413267
Thought so, but even 100$ is gonna be decent. Maybe I can scum some tech illiterate and offer him to build his pc if he buys my parts.

So what's the go to method nowadays of getting legit Win10 without buying it or having a legit product key to upgrade?

I want a cool and quiet case and I'm trying to decide between:

Be Quiet Dark Base 900 Pro
Silverstone FT05

I feel like the Dark Base is the more practical choice but I've always liked the meme factor of Silverstone cases and those air penetrators do a good job even on low. Thoughts?

>>60413437
>download the win 10 installation media creation tool from microsofts site
>install create a bootable USB
>install win 10
>profit

You do not need to use KYSpro, though you can if you don't want.

What mATX cases for under 100 bucks do you recommend? The In Win 301 looks pretty good and just got released, but are there any other I should be looking at? I just want something that looks sleek and is easy to build in.

>>60413437
I'm pretty sure you can do this https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade or just download the legit ISO but not activate it and get a limited version of Windows 10, but the limited version pretty much just doesn't let you use the customization features

>>60413518
>>60413557
Cool. Thanks.

>>60413437
>Download windows 10 iso from macroshit's website, the media creation tool will give you the latest build
>install
>run Microsoft-Toolkit-2.6.2.exe and click 'install AutoKMS' once installation finishes and you're at the desktop
>profit

You would have to have a piece of steel rebar lodged in your fucking skull to not be able to pirate windows.

>>60405147
gamernexus has a rx 560 review

Pastebin of the current OP fused with the character saving made in >>60403667
https://pastebin.com/mqnw5KLc
reminder that anyone can create a /pcbg/ thread, you included, once the current one hit bump limit (310 replies)

the fan that came with the g4560 is loud, is there a cheap replacement that is quiet?

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Dayum, my raijintek metis arrived... Now, how are graphics cards measured?

From one side to the other, in the case, there's 271mm space, so say 270mm in case of poor method of measureing.
However, somebody else said they could BARELY fit in a 267.7mm card into the same case... So how does that work out?

Is this part included in the length measurement?
Who am I supposed to ask for very specific measurements? Gigabyte won't reply if I message their customer service.

>>60414369
no, there isn't
adjust fancurve into the bios or buy a $25 fan

>>60414463
>Is this part included in the length measurement?
would be surprised if it did considering that every single case has room made specifically for it

Where can I buy Noiseblocker fans in Australia?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vCMf4C

Thoughts?

Can anyone tell what games a budget PC like this CAN'T run? I'm the guy that needs it mainly for EVE and WoW. It's my first time building my own and I don't have a lot of money, so I'm nervous about pulling the trigger.

Did I make any obvious mistakes? Is anything here that's not a good value/total shit? Why don't my parents love me?

>>60413469
>Fractal design R5

>>60414588
>Did I make any obvious mistakes? Is anything here that's not a good value/total shit?
no, your build is a good, well balanced budget build

>Can anyone tell what games a budget PC like this CAN'T run?
It should be able to run everything, even CPU intensive games like GTA V or watch dogs 2, but don't expect constant 60fps or playing at high - very high settings

>Why don't my parents love me?
i love you!

What happened to plextor? i never see them recommended buy i understand they make good ssds and invented them? Also bit of a dumb question but do modern ssds have a hardware backdoor? i remember reading something about intel, samsung and Wd hardware backdoors. i ask because im buying a new one which will probably be a samsung or sandisk drive. Also hoe good is the quality of sandisk drives?

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hey fags! new build here!
1700 dollar ryzen build
pc parts: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
GPU is not included in the parts picker, so here it is on newegg: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125873&ignorebbr=1

What do you guys think?

>>60414834
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/thgDyf

I'm a fucking idiot. Wow, here's the link..... Fuck

>>60414834
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/thgDyf
what is it for exactly?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jHGj4D/lg-29uc88-b-290-monitor-29uc88-b
Thoughts? Anything better I could get for around 400-500 bucks?

>>60403633

Write head failure is immanent... Replace ssd before data loss.

>>60414909
good question: heavy gaming. streaming and recording games. Blender and unreal engine game development. Matlab and engineering cad programs. (Solidworks) Running two 1440p monitors

>>60414834
why so much fucking ram? also get an air cooler over this shitty aio

>>60414968
OP here
I'm not familiar with Ryzen heat dissapation. You think if I did an oc an air cooler would work? A hyper 212 evo comes to mind.

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How's this look?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wg4td6

Building a replacement for my ageing fx-8350 build from 2012. This will primarily be used for Arma 3 and some light cad work. Should I wait for Threadripper or Kabylake-x?

I will be reusing my 840 pro SSD, 4tb HDD, gtx 1060 6gb, lian li case, and bluray burner.

>>60414966
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7htWGX/gskill-memory-f43000c15d32gtz
Could save some money ($268 vs $256), and the least number of stick there is the easier it is to reach high clocks on it
Why 32GB though? Do you actually make use for it?

>>60414997
>You think if I did an oc an air cooler would work? A hyper 212 evo comes to mind.
An Hyper 212 evo is closer to low end coolers, while h60 is closer to a high end. Possible but you wouldn't go very far considering you're overclocking on eight cores.
Any cooler ranging between $60 - $70, may it be an air cooler or a water cooler, is good
The h60 is a good cooler but a noctua dh-15 (air cooler) actually comes ahead of it.

>>60415067
>Should I wait for Threadripper or Kabylake-x?
Thread ripper is moar coars, not for gamer considering even the R7 1700 is not really suited for them. Kabylake-x is Kabylake on higher base clocks (and kabylake is skylake on higher clocks...), it's not really worth it. Unless you think the extra 100MHz base clock (boost left unchanged) of the 7740k is worth it or something (it isn't)

That build does look good for cad & arma but why the $150 PSU?

Is cooler master evo 212 still the best budget/performance CPU cooler?

>>60415088
>Could save some money ($268 vs $256), and the least number of stick there is the easier it is to reach high clocks on it
Why 32GB though? Do you actually make use for it?

Probably gonna go for 16 gb. You're right I don't need it.
>>60415088

>The h60 is a good cooler but a noctua dh-15 (air cooler) actually comes ahead of it.

I'll look into the noctua! Thanks!

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>>60415180
newfag can't even quote properly

>>60415220
yup, mostly a /b lurker. Never been on /g. Didn't wanna go to reddit for pc advice.

Help me upgrade /g/. I currently have 500$ to spend.
I have a 5 year old toaster, it's a duo core with an ati radeon HD 5670 and 5gb of ddr2 ram. It doesn't support higher ram.

Should I use 150$ to upgrade it? A q9650 and a gtx 750 2gb 128-bits.
Or should I sell the damn thing and get a new PC at second hand?
If so what can I get? ...

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>>60415088
Even the stock cpu cooler works well for ~3.8Ghz safe OCs

>>60415168

It has the lowest ripple current in the industry, 12 year warranty, and will be silent even under gaming loads.

>>60414369
Maybe yours is busted. Mines real quiet.

>>60415321
Finding used old gen i5s for pretty cheap isn't that command. You could definitely buy an used i5, used mobo & used GPU for under $400 total

>>60415345
>~3.8Ghz safe OCs
No, not safe OC. Sure, you can OC to 3.8GHz & play somes games with it, but if it reaches full load (two video encodings at the same time, stress test, etc etc), it will reach 75+°C and keep climbing
If the CPU overheats at full load after some time, it's not a safe OC. Safe OC would be able to run it at full load for days without any thermal shutdown nor overclock instabilities

>>60415366
>>60415168

Also forgot about this new testing group:

https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=database

I have a hard-on for independent test labs.

>>60414997
a hyper 212 is pretty old, get a noctua d14.

I'm on ultra budget. Can I reuse a old prebuilt PSU for a new rig? It has the right connectors on it, but a lot of people say that they'll blow up and take the rest of the computer with it at some point. Is that just a meme?

what is the benefits of pci ssd? besides avoid the cancer that is sata

>>60415600
what psu? bad idea cos no warranty

>>60415600
There are many memes in PC building that aren't true. Unfortunately, exploding PSUs aren't a meme.
I'd look at the watt and amp ratings first, but if it's running it close and the model isn't reputable, I'd ditch it. You can get reasonable quality PSUs for $20.

>>60415600
No, when PSU dies it is very likely it will burn down at least some some components. The only question is time.
I wouldn't trust any "prebuild psu" to work even a day beyond the warranty on that prebuild.

so i'm in need of a graphics card, and there is a guy on craigslist selling a ASUS GTX 1080 for $425. should i buy this second hand card? anything wrong with buying second hard cards?

>>60415812
Yes.
If it has any problems at all, you're SOL. No warranty. Assuming it even turns on.
Craigslist is full of scams. At least with Ebay you can check reputations.

>>60415812
Generally I don't recommend buying used because a lot of the time the price people want on ebay and shit isn't worth it but that does seem like a good deal. Check if ASUS transfers warranty between buyers, if they do and it's still under warranty (I don't know what ASUS has for warranties, if they have over a year warranty it still will be considering 1080 only came out a year ago) you should grab it, worst that could happen then is something goes wrong you can RMA it.

>>60415905
I just checked, Asus doesn't transfer warranties between buyers. I'd stay away, not worth it.

>>60415321
Probably go with a G4650 or an I5 unless you really need an i7.

>>60415733
So "quality" PSUs ruin shit when they die too? Fuck my life.

I fell for the SSD meme, and holy shit amazing.

My G4560 gaming rig boots up and shuts down so quick, as soon as I press shutdown 5 seconds and it's off.

Fuck me, it's amazing, first time it happened I was like wow man, technology! I don't save anything to it, just leave my OS and programs on it since I don't want it to die within the next few years so trying to prolong the life as much as possible, so trying to do as little read/write

>>60416125
You really don't have to worry about your SSD dying on you. Depending on which one you got they can be very reliable and will last you as long as if not longer than a hard drive.

>>60416042
I used to have Zalman 1000W-HP, on release it was probably one of the very best PSUs available
Used to have, until it died and crippled my motherboard, cpu and/or ram (it boots but bsods on heavy load now)
That system was about 10 years old at that point and it happened on the week R5 was released so I'm not mad but I'm glad none of my HDDs were affected

>>60416042
No, the other poster is incorrect. Any PSU worth its salt will shut down long before it explodes, and even if by some miracle it does, it will function as a fuse to protect the rest of your computer.

These protections, or at least some of them, can be missing from bottom-of-the-barrel, OEM units.

>>60416164

Samsung 840 Pro

And nice that's good to hear, it's the only thing that prevented me from upgrading earlier.do you know a program I can use to see the health and read write speed of my SSD.

At what point in overclocking do the quality or presence of VRM heatsinks play a big role?
I've read that if you're only taking a 1600 for example, to 3.6 or 3.7 GHz then even boards without them are good enough. And that only when going 3.9 GHz and over should you start to worry about them.
I'm deciding on a mobo to pair with my 1600 with mild overclock and am set on the Asus PRIME B350-PLUS right now. There's some cheaper alternatives though without heatsinks which seem okay if I don't plan to go beyond 3.7 GHz in the future.

>>60416125
Wait until you take full advantage of the 10Gb/s ethernet meme.
I've got a proxy cache server and NAS all running on a 10Gb network and holy shit does it download cached updates fast. I haven't updated one of my Windows 8.1 VMs since I made it and it downloaded all of the most recent updates (~354MB worth) from the proxy cache in a literal second. The write speed was limited by the SATA SSD I was using for the VM, the proxy cache had an old SM951 I recycled from my editing rig.

>>60416312
>At what point in overclocking do the quality or presence of VRM heatsinks play a big role?
At the point where you overclock beyond what top allowed CPU pulls at stock.
[email protected] should not require more power than 1800X

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>When porn artists start flexing

>>60416494
based

>>60416494
>That fucking keyboard

>>60416533
It's A E S T H E T I C

What's a good chair for a good PC/desk setup

New thread
>>60416665
>>60416665
>>60416665

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I grabbed a new 2Tb WD Black to put more of my vidya on, does anyone know if/how it's possible to disable this stupid "Preemptive Wear Levelling" shit? Because if not this thing is getting returned tomorrow and I'm getting a brand that doesn't sound like someone is playing basketball inside my case.

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>>60416782
Bottom cable is plugged to a sata power from the PSU
The 3 small one are plugged to fans, 3pin (pic related) or 4 pin (same as pic related but wider)

The pic you sent looks like a Sata to 3x3pin cable, because there's not that many motherboard that have a lot of 3pin slots

>>60416857
Sorry for deleting the post I saw the new thread any immediately thought I should put it there...

So the ones with holes go to the "sys_fan" slots and only one of the 3 pins cords is being used?

>>60415733
>>60415687
>PSU dies it is very likely it will burn down at least some some components. The only question is time.
Not true at all faggots. Quit fearmongering. Do you have an alcohol problem?

>>60415321
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/Jhyf7P

I ordered a Toshiba P300 and reading more about it, I'm getting very worried about it's reliability and peoples are saying it's loud, despite the reviews saying otherwise. Thing is, I read a 3TB review, I got the 2TB one. Are they build differently enough that the 2TB version would have more issues?
I'm about to cancel desu