/pcbg/ - PC Building General

does anyone have full album of benchmarks/graphs where ryzen r5 rivals with i5 6xxx?

my friend is being a stubborn fuck is about to meme himself into 4/4 cpu. doesn't help that he asked around on a forum and every retard said "muh i5 is better for gaymz"

>>60274948
Send him these videos
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo

Usually does the job.
Do tell him to look not only at framerates but also at CPU usage.

Posting best value 1440p build.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdzGM8
Make sure you buy the monitor from some place that handles returns well because ASUS warranty service is retarded and requires 10 dead pixels to be serviced. But dead pixels are something that almost never happen outside of initially delivery.
You will have to turn down settings to medium-high in a few games like Dishonored 2 and GR Wildlands, but that'll do all but like 5-10 games out of 10,000+ at 1440p 60fps at very high or maxed.

>>60274948
4 of those are here: http://imgur.com/a/VIbAg
4c/4t is garbage. i5s should cost half what they cost.
When 4c/4t works fine, so does an R5. When it doesn't, they're a stuttering mess and just far less performant.

>>60274964
Doesn't always do the job. I've heard some essential "fake news" responses, though a few did change their mind against the overwhelming evidence.

People have been so accustom to seeing GPU bottlenecked benchmarks for so long. You heard the same thing a year or two ago with "6600k is the exact same for 6700k for games" when it was becoming very apparent to me that most games released during Broadwell were utilizing HT well.

>>60274986
Also that monitor goes on sale for $400 sometimes. It was $400 from like April 20th to the 27th.

Still a decent buy at $580 considering the only Gsync monitor at that price is a TN panel (which does go on sale for $500 at times itself), but I'd look to grab it on sale.

The Nixeus 27" 1440p IPS 30-144hz Freesync monitor is up on Massdrop for $400 again, as well. Seems better than the Pixio to me even though we haven't got reviews yet.

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>>60274948
Like this one?

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I've posted this a few times over the past couple of days, but I think I'm close to making a decision.

I have chosen 3200MHz RAM, but some people have had problem with the Asus Prime getting good speeds, should I opt for the MSI B350 Krait?

Is the price difference of the 1070 worth it over 8GB RX 480?

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>>60275024
Or this one?

>>60275024
>gtx 1080
lmao
now post the fury one that has higher fps, even though it's a worse card,r before i do it

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>>60275024
>>60275036
Or this one?

>>60274948
>>60275041
>being this much of an AMD shill
>for free

>>60274948
The i5 motherboards are going to go obsolete.

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>>60275024
>>60275036
>>60275054
>cherry picking benchnarks with nvidia cards and games

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>>60275061
or this one?

>>60274907
I wish we had flags on /g/ so we could tell which countries are always shitposting about amd vs intel or amd vs nvidia

>>60275068
>posting a GPU limited bench

>>60275071
And ID's to tell who's same fagging.

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>>60275085
>post something that ends up being wrong
>your id is flagged for the whole thread and you dont dare posting any more

>>60275024
Spamming is against the rules.
>
>>60275041

I asked about this in the previous thread but got no replies, so I'll try again

At what point does Ryzen determine that XFR/raising the clock speed is needed? Under what type of load should it start to OC, and is it possible that I somehow disabled the feature?

>>60275136
>AMDfag gets BTFO
>starts crying

>>60275157
The turbo clocks vary based on load across cores.

If all are loaded, the max boost is going to be about halfway between the base and boost clocks (so ~3.75 on a 3.4/4.0 cpu and 3.33 on a 3.0/3.7)
Only when some cores are parked will 2 cores reach that max XFR speed.

>>60275166
Not btfo, it's just eye-roll worthy that you come in here spamming a /pcbg/. You're probably ban evading, as well.
You know as well as everyone else that you're just cherry picking cases where the Nvidia driver is the only thing holding Ryzen back. You're posting examples where the GTX 1080 loses to the old R9 Fury because of how fucked Nvidia's driver is. You know it, everyone else replying to you knows it. You're just spamming and wasting everyone's time in a PC BUILD HELP THREAD. You couldn't be any more off topic or more of a shitlord.
You're not "BTFOing" anyone out. You're not making anyone mad. You're just really sad.

>>60275209
Don't take the bait don't reply to shitposting anon. It just adds to them spazzing out.

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I was planning on building a ryzen (r5 1600) PC to replace my old FX-6300, but I don't know which to choose.
Should I go mATX and reuse everything from my old PC or should I wait for mini ITX and put it in a Fractal Node 202 case?
I currently have $300 saved up but I'm going to go recycle some cans so that can add an extra $200 to my budget.

If I reuse then I'm also reusing my GTX 1060 3gb, my 5 month old 500 watt EVGA PSU, my mATX Case and all my old SSDs and HDDs.

Any suggestions?

>>60275244
In your budget I would recommend the r5 1500x and mATX motherboard is sold out I think. If you want probably wait for mini itx. I'm guessing you like the form factor?

>>60275244
Yes, reuse those parts, watch sales, and you can do it for under $500 easy.

I got my 1600X+2x16GB RAM+asrock pro4 mATX+PSU+Cryorig C1 for like $425.

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>>60275209
herp

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>>60275209
derp

>>60275031
>trash mobo
>trash ssd
>trash psu

>>60275031
I already responded to you in the last thread and you didn't fix any of it.

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>>60275209
>Fury GPU limited and slower than a 1060

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>/vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General

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>>60275420
Welcome to hell
>even /r/intel is suggesting that people either wait for the next Intel lines or go for AMD at the current moment
is that why intelbabs were forced to post on /g/ anonymously?

rate my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MfcVXH
not really sure about this MB and PSU, tried to stay on budget after that GPU.
Also already have SSD so dont need another

>>60275441
are there any chances intel's 6 cores will be priced similar to amd's r5?

>>60275565
1. go dual channel ram (2x4gb) and faster (3000mhz)
2. 1tb p300 is actually cheaper than the 500gb.
3. i think asrock pro4 is a better choice

Which motherboard should I get:
Gigabyte GA AX 370
or
Asus Prime x370 pro

>>60275568
I'd assume they're skipping 6 and going to 8 in a flash, but the main issue here is that
>new chipset
meaning that you're going to have to wait quite a while until it becomes an actual worthy purchase.

How does windows compute a percent usage of the cpu?
For example:
If I play a game and i7 7700k is working on low frequency (e.g. 800 mhz) because this game doesn't need more (but CPU may speed up own frequency if it will be needed, as you know max is 4.5 ghz). So, if cpu is full-loaded on 800 hz, will this be 100% usage?

Wait, is the ASrock H170 Pro4 not compatible with amd? Fuck..

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>>60275568
Unlikely. It's on a new socket with 2066 pins.
Intel 6 cores are still cut down monolithic 10 cores for Skylake-E, from what I can see. Not the 2x4 core small dies that Ryzen are.
It will surely outperform, but I'm guessing about $200 for a motherboard that's equivalent to a $90 B350 board (more PCIe lanes and quad channel, but otherwise equivalent quality and VRMs), plus $400+ for the 6core CPU itself.

Not worth it when you can just upgrade to Zen3 or Zen4 in 2 years on the same motherboard while the 1600 performs more than well enough for now.

>>60275715
It goes by the total frequency of each core and averages how it should.

>>60275723
No shit?

If I'm adding additional RAM to my system, is it imperative that I use the same model of RAM, or can I mix and match? I don't see any reason why they wouldn't all be compatible but are there some problem child sticks?

>>60275772
Your system will drop to the lowest frequency RAM. I think dual channel overcomes this. Not sure.

>>60275729
Why the fuck is there ITX for X99, that makes absolutely no sense.
What the shit.

>>60275772
Same stick is better.
It will downclock to whichever is slower. It will downclock further if it can't downclock to exactly that same speed and timings of the other.

If you get a different stick that's the same DDR4 dies, same ranks, same CL, and same frequency, there is a good chance it'll just work on modern chipsets and MCs.

>>60275812
Yeah, it was a pretty shitty and compromising board. And not to mention the temps and how loud that cooler is.
That $110 Biostar X370 mITX is better.

But there's a market for it. Just like so many people wanted to put their Ryzen 8 cores in a mITX SFF. Those Biostar boards sell out within minutes each time they get in stock.

>>60275836
Yep, also waiting for some good mini-itx boards for ryzen and fractal 202 build. Might just go for i5 6400 because i have waited ™ long enough

>>60275854
>i5 6400
Not worth it. A 1500X is like 50% better even in games on average.
Slightly better averages, way better minimums and smoothness, and you'll have tons of CPU utilization left over so shit in the background doesn't make it hitch.

The Biostar board really doesn't seem bad. Biostar has gotten better. It's not GREAT, but it's not bad. Go check the youtube reviews on it.
The worst thing about it is the stupid 'racing' theme.

Im on a very tight budget (£300) pound and considering getting a case with a built in PSU to save money. Anyone have any experiences/recommendations with this?

AMD Ryzen 5 1600, 3.2GHz, 16MB
ASRock ASRock AB350M PRO4
Toshiba P300 1TB
Patriot Viper 4 DDR4, 2x4GB, 3000MHz, CL16
Enermax MaxPro 80+ 600W
MSI RX 580 ARMOR 8G

Thoughts? 1080p 144hz. Still waiting for Vega. Already have an SSD. RAM is from QVL List.

I can switch PSU for CX450M but apparently Enermax is better quality and quieter. No SeaSonic or EVGA, they're too expensive here.

>>60275890
living in yuropoorland so 6400 is way cheaper,
also i can have my sff this week

>>60275951
I don't know about the PSU or SSD and I'm not going to look them up for you, but the rest is alright.
CL16 is kind of high for DDR4 3000 and I think it'll have trouble running at that speed.
That GPU is not a good model afaik. But I guess you don't want to spend much if you're replacing it with Vega soon.

>>60275957
If it's not 33% cheaper, it's not worth the performance loss, though. Not to mention the drawback of buying into a dead socket.

>>60275901
I would generally not do that, but check reviews. Sometimes they're decent.
Rosewill makes their own PSUs IIRC and they can be okay.

>>60275805
>>60275821
Thanks guys

>>60275565
Pretty good
>>60275598
I recommend this advice

>>60275598
1. did
2. did
3. will think about it, seen it recommended a lot
Thanks, so this PSU is good enough?

>>60275957
The 6400 is still a pretty bad buy, because it has such low clocks.

>>60275995
yea my HDD choice was really dumb and was thinking about upgrading my RAM, but if i take 4 slot MB i should get 2x4gb now

>>60276037
>Thanks, so this PSU is good enough?
I would get a 450-550w semi-modular or modular PSU, but if you already have that one just use it anyway.

And $400 is a lot to pay for a 1070. They go on sale for $310-$335 often.

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Founders edition card with an EK block, loop includes a 7700k. Have 2x 249 rads for cooling, fans turning at 500RPM with no ramp up.

Really happy with this result, PC is silent until my ear is right next to the case.

>>60276063
i will have to pay even more than that since i am yuropoor (530 usd for GPU)
This build will cost me month and a half of my paycheck

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This is the build I made in 2014.
Use is 1080p gaming.
>i5 4430
>R9 270 2GB
>8GB vengeance lp 1600
>1tb hdd
>h81plus asus mobo

I know my CPU is fine for the time being, until I overhaul my system.
I am in the process of getting an ssd.

But the real problem is my GPU, it's just not cutting it anymore.
Since I am really thrifty I would prefer to find a deal on used hardware instead of buying new, especially since there havent been great breakthroughs but there's still a lot of people that upgrade and sell their "old" parts.

I was looking at the R9 380 and the GTX 770.
The 770 is a bit better but also older (and sometimes with less vram), so it kind of balances itself out.
My problem is:
>would it be a worthwhile upgrade?
I'll buy them if i can get them under 100€, and I think I may be able to sell my 270 for 60-70 tops.

Thoughts?

>>60275985
I can get CL15 for about the same price but that's not on the QVL list, so it would probably work at 2400mhz or some shit. I'll wait for next AGESA update, if it fixes the problems with frequency I'll pick the CL15.

That RX 580 is a placeholder, also the cheapest available. The rest is at least 50$ more, I want to see how small Vega performs. My SSD is comparable to HyperX Savage.

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What's the best performance and look wise CPU fan?

I wanted pic related but from reviews it's no better than a stock cooler, why make such a cool looking but shit performing CPU fan ffs

>>60276105
>The 770 is a bit better but also older (and sometimes with less vram), so it kind of balances itself out.

It might have been at release, but it certainly isn't at new games. Kepler has aged TERRIBLY. In fact, you can probably find games where the 270 beats 770.

>>60276086
>PC is silent until my ear is right next to the case.
Does it sense you approaching?

>>60276090
I thought RX580s are like 300EUR? Doesn't that make the RX580 an even better deal compared to the 1070, even if it doesn't perform as well? That's like 75% the performance at only 60% the price, no?

My general recommendation is you get something like: >>60274986
Put those savings on the GPU toward a nice quality, comfy, 1440p IPS Freesync monitor.
The GPU may be only borderline good enough for some newer games at 1440p, but you'll keep the monitor far longer than you'll keep the GPU. You can eventually upgrade to do 144fps at 1440p on it.

>>60276105
Cheap route would be to get a 4790. Your 4430 is going to bottleneck even an R9 380.
I had an i5-2500k and it bottlenecked my 7970(especially a 380) in many games often.
I'd also wait to see what RX560s sell for. They should be similar or faster than the 380, but at under half the power consumption and you could buy new with warranty instead of used.
Definitely don't get the 770. It aged terribly. All Kepler and Maxwell cards have issues where they shit the bed when they run out of VRAM when AMD cards don't. 3GB GCN > 4GB Kepler/Maxwell.

>>60276134
Oh. If it's on the QVL, then go for it.

>>60276138
Yeah I looked at that too. It's cool, but sucks.
I prefer downblowers since they also cool VRMs and RAM, along with many other upsides.
I got the Cryorig C1. It's slightly louder than I'd like, but the pitch of it makes it sound dampen easily inside a case. Most other AM4 compatible down-blowers were ugly.
It was also fairly overpriced at $60. Especially since I might end up spending another $15-$25 on a better fan at some point for it.

>>60276155
fuck me I meant to write faster in the spec sense, but yeah optimization, overclocking and DX12 put the 380 on top

>>60276072
yea 650w is bit overkill, will try to find 500~ modular. Maybe will save some money

>>60276182

Would you recommend a CPU fan over a AIO cooler?

>>60276182
will need it for CUDA, and in Croatia everything is more expensive. Also already have 1440p.
I think with this >>60275598 advice ill finish my build. Also a bit lower PSU

>>60276138
>>60276182
Yeah it's sort of shitty, but it's not intended to be the top-end ultra efficient Cryorig R1U or liquid loop competitor, especially in that size, there's just not enough area.

What it does excel at is being small, it's pretty crazy small not much else comes close so it fits in that niche build segment of where you're trying to build a super compact PC and nothing else will fit. GN did a good video on this thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2tCnjb6lp8

It's nice to see innovation though, I almost want to reward TT for trying something entirely different. I've never seen a sandia cooler anywhere else currently.

>>60276173
It's a game works feature

>>60276187
As a 7970 owner, which is essentially the 280/380, I wouldn't consider overclockability much.

Yeah, I can overclock mine about 40% higher, which puts it nearly at RX470 performance, but the power draw and heat output is ridiculous.
Unless you're in a cold climate all year long, I would not recommend.

But I can still play most modern games at 60fps+ with it undervolted 150mV, at which point it's fairly cool.
I'd really recommend the RX560 if it winds up being 125EUR or less. Buying something with warranty is worthwhile. After 4-6 years, stuff just starts dying on some cards like one of the fans, or they can become less stable if they were used for mining and require higher voltage, etc.

>>60276227
lol yes. Definitely. AIOs are awful. Good air coolers take up less space, are quieter, cheaper, no maintenance worry, and are 90-95% as good.

>>60276241
The Cryorig C1 is quite small, though. 74mm tall. That's less than half the height of most tower coolers
It's about as small as something can be while still clearing over RAM.
But yeah it's not THAT small. But there are other small cooler slike the Noctua L9x65 or whatever that outdo it.

>>60276233
Ah if what you have doesn't support OpenCL, go for the 1070. But if it supports OpenCL, the RX580 will almost always beat the 1070.

>>60276182
I cant afford to upgrade my cpu with a 3 year old cpu, especially since I plan to redo my system in 1 or 2 years.
I also doubt the 4430 will bottleneck the 380, honestly you are the first to tell me that.
afterall it's a relatively new quad core that turbo's at 3.2Ghz, that should be enough even with 970, since I dont play games at max settings, hence dont require a lot of calculation, and dont play really CPU intensive games like Arma, that I dont play though
I dont know about the 560, doesnt seem like it would be much of a jump
I agree that the 770 hasnt aged well, discard that.

>>60276300
I can tell you now I wont buy the 560.
If I'm buying new it will be a higher end card when I re-do my system, I cant justify buying new something that is marginally better than what I have and still middle-low end.
I'll probably get a 580 in 1-2years or the 600 counterpart if I stick with the 270 now

>>60276300
also to be fair, 40% is a fuckload more. just stock would be enough for me, or a little OC

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2R7nqk

Looking for a way to make this build cheaper/more effective with low budget £300
Its mainly intended as a work station with light gaming using the integrated graphics for now
Intending on buying a better gpu/cpu later down the line

>>60276300
>As a 7970 owner, which is essentially the 280/380
280 is essentially 7950, while the 380 is essentially a 285 and based on a newer design(with lower power draw, among other things).

>>60276341
The 560 should be about 25% better than the 1050Ti, which puts it in a pretty good spot if the price is right.
Keep in mind the 380 is significantly worse than the RX570. By about 40% iirc.
A 4GB RX560 I think will really be the better choice if it's under 125EUR. Just wait for benchmarks and see if you can find ones that have both the 380 and RX560 then. Guru3d usually tests old cards against new ones.

>>60276374
Yes. 40% more performance for free is a lot, but not worth the electricity cost and heat for anyone not in a cold climate. And more like 20% for those that don't have golden dies.

>>60276403
Yeah if anon gets the 4GB 380, it's a bit better. The 2GB can be worse than a good 7970, though.

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Really happy with this build, everything was second hand besides the RAM and monitor. I want to upgrade to the 21:9 ratio but I lucked out on this gook monitor since it overclocks so well. I'll wait for that 21:9 Gsync HDR not IPS 100+ refresh monitor to come out.

The Denon is not really a second display, I use HDMI for audio and you gotta have a display enabled for it to work.

>>60276394
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2R7nqk
I'd get a semi-modular PSU, but looks solid otherwise.
You may be able to find a cheap motherboard with integrated wifi, too.

>>60276526
>i7 with an NVMe
k? cuck

>>60276541
Yeah, running @ 5.1ghz

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>>60275024
>>60275036
>>60275054
>>60275054
>>60275068
Are these before or after the chipset update with the ryzen powerplan as well as up to date bios firmware

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>>60276560
You have no clue what's being pointed out by
>i7 with an NVMe
The ignorance and wasted money is beautiful.

>>60276607
It's Nvidia's driver causing those problems. Cherry picked shit. Report and move on.

>>60276728
Very nice result if stable outside of CPU-Z.

I'm sitting comfy at 2.2GHz. heatsink is cold to the touch.

>>60276758
It's 100% stable it runs at about 64~65degC under full load with the stock cooler. Waiting for BIOS firmware updates so I can push the memory to 3200MHz

pretty impressed so far by this thing using an rx480 alongside it

Anyone know how high I can clock the R5 1600 with a 212 Evo?

>>60276617
who is this semen demon

>>60275375
>7 FPS difference
Pathetic shill

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>>60275071
>>60275085
While I see a need for this I don't think IDs and flags are that great for solving anything.

Shills and specially paid shills will use VPNs and proxies and get around it. Random visitors who pop in and post something the 10 minutes of the day they have time to waste on a forum like this will get their ID flagged for no good reason.

See /pol/ for a live example of why this doesn't actually have the effect you'd think it would.

>>60276617
Only thing being high lighted is your autism

>>60277140
there are far less "paid shills" than you think there are
not everybody disagreeing with you is paid to do so, people can be dumb or fanboys

t.paid shill

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/QQ8yBP
Final check. Give me your approval /pcbg/.

>>60277184
Looks good but I don't recommend buying AMD GPUs.

>>60277184
Looking good anon, but what are you using it for?

mITX FOR RYZEN FUCKING WHEN? FUCK AMD!

>>60277281
mITX FOR XEONS WHEN REEE

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>>60275036
>>60275054
>>60275068

Lel Ryzen is so fucking shit

Nobody should get that crap for gaming

>>60277281
You should read more Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/69qkyv/bitwit_reports_successful_stable_41ghz_oc_on/

>>60277181
AMDtards literally have paranoid schizophrenia, they think everyone is a paid shill

>>60277421
http://www.techspot.com/news/69204-intel-responds-i7-7700k-high-temperate-issue-tells.html
No-one should buy intel for ANY reason.

>>60277438
Mods need to ban AMD stock shills on sight

>>60277446
>being a company fanboy in the first place
lmao
>>60277451
>temperature being the main issue
no
being able to take over your PC with "" as a password is an issue
https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/05/the-hijacking-flaw-that-lurked-in-intel-chips-is-worse-than-anyone-thought/

>>60277461
t. bagholder

>>60277159
>high lighted
LMAO

>>60277140
ya IDs and flags would be dumb. But some sort of thing needs to be done.
There really just needs to be a way to auto-hide and shadowban people. That would stall them better than them being banned then evading it.

>>60277184
I'd get a non-Gigabyte card. It's cheaper for a reason.

>>60277281
When you buy them faster than they get sold out?

>>60277421
Nvidia cards have known problems with Ryzen.

Even then, Shilltel can't even maintain a greater than 7 fps lead. LMAO.

>>60277206
Why not?

>>60277213
Gaming/coding. Also wanna futureproof the pc so that I don't have to buy another one anytime soon.

>>60277475
t. AMD stock shill

Would rx 580 suffice for smooth vr gaming on htc vive on a good ryzen build or wait4vega?

>>60277495
>Nvidia cards have known problems with Ryzen

Really? Ryzen has a problem with the most popular video card manufacturer?

Wow, guess I better not buy Ryzen.

I plan on getting a 1080 soon. Need to upgrade my cpu. will the i5 7600k be able to handle it or should i get the i7 7700k

>>60277531
If you waste your money it is not really my concern.

Nvidia said they were working on a fix that will be forward compatible. Some microcode optimizations. It just means the early-run benchmarks are not really representative of long-term performance.

>>60276828
>stable it runs at about 64~65degC under full load with the stock cooler.
I have 1600 [email protected] and it's running at 71C in prime95. How can your temps be lower than mine with 0.1v and 100MHz more?

>>60277555
7600k should be fine for most games

>>60277555
It'll 'handle' it. But the 7700k will squeeze more frames out.
If you don't have a 4K monitor consider a cheeper card. And continue saving.

>>60277561
Oh gosh, more bugs from AMD

I don't know why anyone buys that crap

>>60277587
i have a 1080p Samsung monitor i bought 5 years ago. so would a gtx 1070 + new monitor be a better buy

>>60277569
Not him.
I assume six cores makes more heat than 4.

>>60277514
It's technically powerful enough to be branded "VR-ready", but I'd probably wait for vega(or get Nvidia card) anyway.

>>60277621
Same CPUs.

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>>60277561
If you still haven't realized he's a retarded shit-tier baitor you should definitely lurk moar. Stop biting these absolute trash baits this ain't fb.

>>60277619
Nah, for 1440 it would. Grab a 580/1060 6gb. Save the rest for a full upgrade.
The 580 will do 1440 fine in most cases. Not sure about a 1060.
I've got a 1060 myself. Only issue is that it's cucked down when it comes to overclocking. Heavily cucked down.

Is the R5 quad-cores worth it, or should I skip it and go the hex cores.
Also now that people had time to use the R5 quad-cores, what do you think about the R3 and how will it perform?

>>60277619
Oh wait* you said new monitor. Yeah, if that's your thing.
Wait a bit for AMD's new card, should tank the price of 1070's. So more savings.

>>60277632
Waiting it is then....

>>60277561
>>60277495
for fuck sake stop feeding such obvious trolls

>>60277446
>hey man there are fanboys, what you gonna do
>AMDtards literally have paranoid schizophrenia
well...

>>60277662
Only worth ryzen quad-core is 1500X but people prefer the 1600 because it is by far the best value for money ryzen chip. The R3's are going to be pretty much pointless when it comes to gaming unless they compete with G4560 price/performance, otherwise they might be the poorman's workstation cpu.

>>60277662
1600 offers the best value, but 1500x is fine as well, if you don't want to spend the extra money or don't need the extra cores. 1400 has less cache and comes with a worse cooler, so it's worth spending the extra $20 or so and get the 1500x instead.

I have a mechanical drive dying and I want to completely transfer everything to an SSD I can boot from so I can throw away the old one. Whats the easiest way to do this?

>>60277206
>>60277495
>>60277561
So with a ryzen is it better to an amd or a nvidia gpu?

>>60277569
Well it peaked at 68 have to keep in mind of ambient temps too

>>60277745
Ryzen works fine with both. So it comes down to if you want a GTX1080(Ti) or RX580. Solely because they're the best cards in their class.

>>60277745
Well considering you're on a budget probably amd gpu's tend to be better value for money but if you want to either 1440p75+fps or 4k60fps nvidia is the way to go for now. The driver issues with nvidia drivers on ryzen cpu's are only on a few games you can just google "Nvidia issues with ryzen in games" and find a list and see whether or not any of those are a deal-breaker for you. Generally i'd recommend 4gb 570 for 1080p60fps or 8gb 580 for 1440p60fps/1080p100+fps. These cards should handle well and smooth at these settings with most games on ultra and a few on high(almost always there's no noticeable difference).

>>60277670
When do the new cards come out? Do you really think Vega will have that big of an impact?

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>>60277555
The 7600k even at 5GHz will bottleneck the 1080 in a good deal of newer games.
You should be able to keep over 60fps if you disable all the unneeded background services and close all programs out, though.
The 7700k is a lot more consistent, as is the 1600X.

>>60277621
6 and 8 core Ryzen doesn't make much more heat than 4.
The 8 core is ultra power efficient. 6 and 4 a bit less so.
You'll have to wait for Athlons to get a super power efficient 4 core.

>>60277531
It's Nvidia's issue, not AMDs.

>>60277745
Smoothest you can get is Ryzen+AMD GPU.
A 1080 will obviously put out higher average FPS compared to an RX580, but it won't be as smooth until Nvidia gets their fix out.

>>60277803
Vega still looks like end of May for me, but it could be end of June at the latest instead.

>>60277803
Vega may or may not outperform Nvidia's equivalent cards, but it's bound to bring down the prices, at the very least.

>>60277803
Should be June.
Yes. Early tests put it in 1080Ti territory. That's with it having a slow clock and early drivers.
Should be several cards being released on vega's platform. So you might even see on in your bracket.

>>60277825
>The 7600k even at 5GHz will bottleneck the 1080 in a good deal of newer games
that sounds crazy. is that a type of bottlenecking that actually gives a definite performance loss or are we talking marginal?

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>>60277927
Talking momentary dips when things get into heavy CPU usage (like lots of AI, physics, effects), and momentary stuttering.

It'll do well when you're staring at a wall.

>>60278010
I think it goes back to the old days, when a stutter was like three frames. So we had reports of AMD 'feeling' smoother, but no one could pin it down. Now a stutter damn near crashes the game while reporting that it's still at 170 frames but dropping everything for hundreds of milliseconds. Creating an obvious issue.

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Hey guys, poorfag here. I built this computer piecemeal over the years and I'm thinking I badly need a CPU upgrade.

So I'm still using a 2.9ghz Athlon II x3 435 processor and I can't even watch YouTube videos in 720p let alone 1080p without the CPU hitting 100% and lagging everything I do until I kick it back down to 480p.

Now my RAM is 2 4GB DDR3 1066 sticks. But when I check my memory it never gets higher than say 6GBs.

My mobo is an Asus - M5A88-M Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard.

Video card is an EVGA - GeForce GT 730 2GB Video Card.

I'm just wondering what processor I can use that won't overshoot the mobo's capacity. I'm broke as fuck and not looking to spend $140 if I only need a $90 CPU.

>>60278010
Is this issue reported in benchmarks and reviews?
and what settings are we talking about? ultra?

>>60278102
You can probably find a FX6300 or FX4300 for fairly cheap. Unfortunately all the newer processors use a difference socket.

>>60278119
Remember most reviewers are dumb as dogshit. So they've 'known' about it for years. They just assumed it was normal. That it was the game, not the hardware.
https://youtu.be/gUNAvkY6Ops?t=582

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wtf! Is this normal? Why is it so fucking hot? i could not even get it running at 38.25 because it reaches 90 degrees after 20mins and resets. Should i replace thermal paste or something? Help me lads.

Looking at these monitors. Is curved screens a meme and is 4k worth the price?


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YD3DBOC/?tag=pcpapi-20

https://www.amazon.com/Designo-MX279H-1920x1080-Frameless-Monitor/dp/B01707HMEM/ref=sr_1_11?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1494258469&sr=1-11&keywords=4k%2Bmonitor&refinements=p_n_size_browse-bin%3A3547807011&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Curved-27-Inch-Monitor-C27F591/dp/B01CX26VNC/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1494258469&sr=1-6&keywords=4k+monitor&refinements=p_n_size_browse-bin%3A3547807011

>>60278102
This is wierd anon, pic related is my "haven't upgraded in 4 years" rig and i can handle youtube at 1080p while playing Wrath of the Lich King on mostly ultra and 60fps. Maybe you should check what is it that you have running in the background and also consider trying a different browser.

>>60278184
I run in Chrome but I've tried doing it in Opera and Edge and it's the same thing.

It's weird because I can play 1080p videos in VLC.

But I have noticed that when playing games, running things in the background, like web browsers (even without video), makes the games' fps tank.

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>>60278184
forgot pic

>>60277745
Just don't buy Ryzen and you won't have to worry about ridiculous bugs like that

>>60277825
>It's Nvidia's issue, not AMDs.


Right, AMD releases a CPU that has huge bugs with the most popular video cards, and it's somehow not their fault.

Fucking hilarious.

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>>60278220
I use mozilla. Maybe it has something to do with gpu memory going 100%. But amyways if you're looking into upgrading i would recommend maybe just saving up to jump into current gen, this is a pretty good time for budget builders.

Which RX 580 should i get?

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>>60278119
Most reviewers only do averages and they super cherry pick.

It's also known that there are issues with Nvidia GPUs with Ryzen, which is Nvidia's driver problem and not a Ryzen problem, yet they only test with Nvidia GPUs.

Ryzen with an AMD GPU outperforms the 6900k fine. With an Nvidia one it loses sometimes by 30%.
Lots of reviewers are just dumb shills.

>>60278170
Is your fan just not on at all?

>>60278267
>I don't know what x86-64 is but I post anyway instead of killing myself
Funny how Nvidia acknowledged the problem is on their end and is working on it.

>>60278306
Red Devil GS, GTR-S, or Nitro++ for 1440p.
If 1080p you should just be getting an RX570 4GB.

>>60278170
>cpu vcore 1.44v

>>60278308
Sorry but it's obvious that AMD needs to make their processors work before they actually release them

No way am I going to beta test that crap and pay for it, it's retarded

>>60278337
To further this I would reset your bios settings with the cmos jumper report back when you do

>>60278278
I thought that too, but it seems when I play games on this computer it's the CPU-intensive aspects of the game that cause the low FPS.

>>60278170
Google your motherboard. There was one that sets voltage to high levels. You'll need a bios update. That or contact the supplyer if you're not confident of doing it. Most likely they'll link you a how to. But keep a call receipt for if you fuck it up. They should be fine swapping it out either way if you push for it.
BIOS updates can be a daunting thing. But consider it a valuable skill to learn.

>>60278308
nah it spins at 2700ish rpm + 3 generic 1000 rpm case fan.

>>60278337
i can't manually adjust the vcore, there is only an offset mode. I will try to lover it then.

>>60278317
ty. i'm getting it for ffxiv stormblood, so 580 is preferred.

>>60278363
>AMD needs to update Nvidia's closed source proprietary drivers for them
kill yourself

>>60278420
I had the same problem though clearing the bios as I mentioned fixed it for me

>>60278408
i have the latest bios version too.

I'm looking for a HDD to store private documents. I wish to bitlocker and password it. Are smaller hard drives more reliable? If I get a 500GB over a 1TB is it less likely to fail?

does vsync put strain on the gpu/cpu?

>>60278440
>AMD can't make a processor that works with the most popular video cards

Really makes you think

Does dual channel make difference in gaming?

>>60278504
...that you're an idiot? I agree.

Does the Fractal R4 have a slot for DVD/Blu-ray drive? Can't find on any store page and can't pull up a video right now.

>>60278537
What an argument

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>>60278478
I don't believe so.
Every HD is a gamble. Always back up, and exceptionally important data should be on solid-state media.

>>60278492
Nope. Just delivers a set amount of the frames made. Stops the card from trying to ram 100fps down the throat of a 60fps monitor.

>>60278171
2 27" they are worth my time and very pretty, unlike the picture

>>60278636
so it basically slows down the graphics card so it doesnt do that much work right?
so does freesync/gsync do the same thing?

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Hey, I'm trying to choose a motherboard for a Ryzen 5 1600. The options are in pic related. I don't know shit about mobos. I don't need EPIC 1337 GAMER FEATURES like LEDs, VR boosts and the like, but would like a mobo that outputs a clean audio, for example. MSI and Gigabyte seem too gimmicky, Asrock too cheap, and ASUS lacking.
What are your recommendations?

>>60278442
Thanks man, will try.

>>60278636
>>60278448
On that.
Without it you get frame tearing. Where it moves to the next frame halfway through because you've moved. Vsync just delivers the full frame before moving onto the next.

>>60274948
>"muh i5 is better for gaymz"
They are right. Intel processors are even better if you are into emulation.

>>60275067
Then tell AMD to sponsor better games.

>>60274964
Of course you will have less cpu usage, games are only using 4 cores. And I fall to see why cpu usage would be more important than framerate.

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7700k shitters begone

>>60278690
>i5 better for emulation
haha? The 1600X is almost twice as good as the 7700k for emulation.

>>60278870
What are you cooling that with? What's the actual wattage draw?

>>60278822
>games only use 4 cores
lol. This is a sad thing to say even if this was 2 years ago. Now it's just absolutely retarded.

>>60278910
>lol.
Then explain why the cpu usage is always around 50% and the fps is basically the same.

>>60278910
>that single core performance
>twice as good as the 7700k for emulation.
Don't make me laught.

>>60278666
Help me with this, I'm between the Asus PRIME B350-PLUS and the MSI B350 Tomahawk.

I'm building a PC, anyone got any suggestions? Budget is onpoint as of now. GPU is not needed, will mostly be used for Dota and as a general purpose computer.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Gooby530/saved/qG6f7P

I'm in the Netherlands btw. Any help is appreciated.

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>>60274907
do you need to have the case fans on? or does it really not do much for cooling?

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>>60279027
>embarrassing yourself this much

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guess which one of these is the i5

REEEEEEEEEEEE why are there no 144 HZ 1440p IPS monitors less than 27 inches
27" is too big for 2K my eyes are already darting all over my 23 inch screen.

>>60276833
>Titan 1080 GTX
highlighting for stupidity

>Having problems with new PC
>Check for updates to see if somethings been patched to resolve some of them
>Patching finishes and plug in 2nd monitor into HDMI
>It flickers constantly

So patching it broke something not fixed it... Remind me again why I like computers /g/? I swear the more shit I do the worse it gets.

>>60278666
Asrock AB350 Pro4. No issues, posted fine. RAM is still at 2133 and haven't done any OC on my 1600 yet. I will when I have time and inform the masses.

>>60278442
latest bios, cleared cmos still 35-40 degrees on idle, 75 on load. what do i do now aside from crying?

>>60278308
you talk about cherry picking but to be fair you're showing a 720p benchmark which clearly advantages the 1800k, most gamers work with 1080p.
not saying ryzen is shite, it's great, but you sound very biased here
>Ryzen with an AMD GPU outperforms the 6900k fine.
I'm actually interested in the benchmarks for that

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So what do I do if my keyboard (Logitech G510) doesn't start up until after I get past the boot screen? How do I access my BIOS?

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>>60278010
If that's the performance on a 7600K, the 1600X will do you no favors.

>>60279703
try driver booster, it's this program that checks for all your drivers and tells you which are out of date/broken and lets you install them all at the same time

>>60279858
Can people stop posting benchmarks for ONE game?
for fuck sake there aggregated benchmarks
of course people will call you shills this way

>>60279865
Everything is up to date now, the problem is that it's fucked my second monitor

>>60279786
lol?

>>60279858
>DX12 with an NVidia GPU
kill yourself

>>60279186
Try to find me a video of it running Zelda on CEMU without speed hacks, you can't. Also:
http://cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2874&cmp[]=3000

>>60280013
>cpubenchmark.com
Those are reportable right?

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>>60279998
If AMD even had an offering in that performance bracket, we could have a conversation.
Sadly, the RX 580 is the best they can muster. A watt-gulping housefire with only a marginal gain over Nvidia's midrange offering.

i found out for asrock ab350pro4 atx motherboards to install the ram you must angle the ram towards the openable switch while pressing it down to get it to click into place

>>60280064
>tom's shillware
>project cars
lmfao. You're not convincing anyone.

>>60280064
Lol at those Ryzen's numbers. I guess I'll buy i7.

hey there /pcbg/
what do you think of my build?
it's for 3D modelling, animation and rendering with side gaming.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kGZHjc

Any tips? Should I go for the 8gb version of the 580? I don't plan to play at 4k anytime soon

Buying the standard g4560 and rx 470, is a 500w psu enough or should I go to 600w? I also have a SSD with Windows 7 installed on it, can I use that with no problems on the g4560 or will I have to jump through some hoops or do a clean install?

>>60280490
500w is more than enough. Your ssd with windows should work but it is always better to do a fresh install when changing your cpu/mobo

>>60280482
>>60280482
>>60280482
What paste should I get?

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What do I look for in a monitor?

60 vs 120?
1920 x 1080 or 3840 x 2160?
Curved?
What Brand?

Thank you in advance. Around $300 or less would be ideal

>>60280579
curved is a meme

brands are not that important. the model is the one that speaks for itself. always look at costuemr reviews before pulling the trigger.

in 95% f the cases 60Hz is jus what you need.
the other 5% is mostly fast paced action games.

the final use is the most important aspect you should be looking for.

>>60278666
I'm using the ga-ab350-gaming 3, it's pretty good, the Realtek ALC1220 audio is amazing.
Sure, it has leds, but you can turn them off, there's also a rgb fusion on the gigabyte app center, I have my leds set to intelligent for the cpu temps at min brightness.

If you have any more questions, go ahead and ask

>>60278504
Novideo has issues with all cpus with more than 4 cores, not just amd's

>>60280444
Looks pretty good. Getting the 8GB version is advisable, but not necessary - 4 GB should be enough for current games(unless heavily modded).

>>60280628
Is 4k a meme?

>>60280548
cryorig CP7 or noctua NT-H1

>>60280767
No? You can't see big blocky pixels and you don't need much antialiasing with it. Why is that so hard to understand? It's very intuitive. High DPI is good.

>>60280785
I meant as in, do many games or other media actually utilize 4k yet. I know it's better, but is it worth the price or just wait until its cheaper in 3 or 4 years.

Is there a source anywhere where Ryzen / NVIDIA are going to get their shit together so there won't be poor performance?

>>60280476
what in the fug is this image

>>60280912
Nope. PS4 and Xbone are the way to go

>>60280476
>this is what your average AMDfag faps to

Anyone have experience with ADATA Ultimate SU800 SSDs? Reliable?

>>60280064
Did someone seriously just post project cars?

>>60280848
any game that detects resolutions your monitor supports and has HUD scaling does 4K.

mini itx case without sideways mobo mounting that fits nh-d15?
only one i see is node 304/core 500 but psu placement causes gpu length restrictions

>>60281173
ADATA SU800 is like top 2 for decent priced SSD next to MX300.

>>60281202
Desperate shill's favorite game. That and Watch Dogs, or day1 Total Warhammer.

>>60280961
Reported.

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How can people justify buying a 500GB Samsung 850 Evo when the 512GB Adata SU800 can be had for $50 less?

>inb4 muh warranty

>there's mutilated CP that's been in the thread for an hour
>nobody bats an eye
>mods haven't deleted it
what the fuck

>>60281236
>That and Watch Dogs
The second one runs pretty well on both brands though

>>60281265
Because it's face dum dum

>>60274907
>it's a still no rx 560 release episode

should I be worried?

bought a ryzen R7 and GTX 1080 and now i'm hearing there are problems with nvidia cards and amd processors...

>>60281253
>$50 less
More than that. The 1TB SU800 goes on sale every month for $250 or less compared to the $400 for the 850 Evo.

>>60281338
It runs decently on the 1600X but worse than it should compared to how well it runs on the 6800k.
Most other Ubisoft games like RB6Siege, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, and pretty much all else from the past 2 years except Far Cry Primal run far better as you'd expect on the 1600X than the 7600k.

It's not the Nvidia driver problem for Watch Dogs 2, as well. Does the same on an AMD GPU.

>>60281481
Read the damn thread

>>60281360
It's real though, Peter Scullys work.

>>60281481
It's a problem between nvidia & 6+ cores cpus
And it's pretty rare. So far only affects Rocket League, Civ 6 & RoTR

>>60281481
Nvidia is working on a fix. Hopefully it's good.

You'll still get more FPS than you'll get with an RX580. It's just not smooth and not as high averages as you should get. You can frame limit to keep it smooth I think.

>>60281499
Nope. Affects FAR more than that. Witcher 3 is another example.

>>60281508
>Witcher 3 is another example.
post screenshot pls

>>60280044
The results are taken from their program and uploaded directly to their website.

>>60280013
http://cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2874&cmp[]=1220
wew owned kid

>>60281600
So what? Are you trying to prove the Ryzen performs almost the same as a 2012 server CPU?

I gotta send a graphic card over mail, but I dont have the anti-static bag nor the box of the card.
I was planning to deliver it in a shoebox but it came up that i have to send it over mail. So what can I do to not fuck it up?

>>60281692
No, an 7700k performs almost the same as a 2012 server CPU.

>>60281702
With half the core count. Technology is incredible, it isn't?

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>>60281695
i normally ship in these never had any problems
keeps gpu nice safe and warm

>>60281360
its real

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>>60281519

>>60281778
that's frametimes, not fps

>>60274907
What graphics card should I get?

I have a 1600 with a gtx 970 and I want to build a second computer with my old fx6300.
Should I pair the 970 with the 6300 and get a 580 to go with ryzen or should i get a 470 or something to go with the 6300?

>>60281800
upgrade from gtx 970 to rx 480 / gtx 1060 is not a worth upgrade at all
You'd be spending $220 for 10 ~ 15 more fps at best

>>60281265
where

>>60281484
I was only talking about the 500GB category, but yes it gets even wider at higher capacities. They perform almost identically and yet people still cough up for the Samsung. The SU800 is criminally underrated.

>>60281737
>>60281695
will i fuck it up if i pack it in an anti-static bag inside a box with some newspaper?

>>60281838
this
>>60281800
Wait till a new generation or just jump in pricepoint.

I'm considering upgrading.

Current build:
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kwTQNN

Possible Upgrade:
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wHGN7h

Would it be worth it?

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>>60281887
put it in one of this and ship it in a tank of water for maximum static resistance

>>60281929
Would you actually make use of the eight cores?
The watercooler is overkill by the way

>>60281929
only relevant upgrade there is the storage and the card.

>>60281881
We recommend the SU800 and MX300 in /pcbg/ a lot.

I'm not sure why the builds people ask for help on here always start with the 850, though.

>>60281887
That'd be fine.

>>60281929
Depends on what you do. I'd stick with the 6700 for gaming unless you have someone you can sell the 6700k and mobo to for a good price.

>>60281778
frames = fps you dingaling

can I ship a hard drive and video card without a anti static bag?

i was thinking of wrapping them up in bubblewrap big time, then filling the box with newspaper

>>60281958
o, you're retarded. I see.

GTX 1080 at ~50c idle with fans on 30-45% and outside temperature is 34c, is this normal? With 96% usage it gets to 70c. I have no AC in the room. I haven't overclocked nor added a fan curve.

>>60282010
Why the fuck is it 34C ambient?

But yes, 15C above ambient at idle is not abnormal. Though for a Pascal I think it is.

I wish my video card idles at 50c and gets to 70c. mine idles at 70c and gets to 100c during gaming sessions, if it gets hotter than that my computer shuts off so i have air conditioning on in my room when I game and have a fan blowing cold air directly into my computer. can't wait to upgrade

>>60282034
I live in a very hot country.

>>60281957
>We recommend the SU800 and MX300 in /pcbg/ a lot.

I must have missed all that, I lightly go through these threads once every other day or so and I felt like I was the only one hawking the SU800.

>>60281702
What? It needs 2x cores to get the 7700k multi core performance and it has almost half the single threaded performance. Looks more like a modern Ryzen to me
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2970&cmp[]=1220

>>60282054
It's different because my card is barely 3 weeks old and I was getting around 35c on idle just 2 weeks ago

>>60282091
idk how. I'm here most every day and suggest them. I see many others suggest them.

>>60282099
>half the single threaded
How many bans have you evaded, anyway?

>CPU is dying
oh lord
oh lad

>>60282122
You don't get banned for telling the truth.

>>60282133
how so?

My ancint pc just died so I gotta build a new pc. Im looking at these two parts so far but I need some help in picking a motherboard, im pretty lost on this part. My budget is roughly $1000 I guess. Its a spur of the moment so Im still setting up a budget for it.
AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor
Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card

>>60282186
I doubt you'd benefit from the 8 cores of the r7 1700, a 6 core r5 1600 is plenty enough for the vast majority of people
Motherboards are pretty much mostly the same, go b350 chipset unless you want to sli / xfire / more pcie lanes / more sata
MSI b350 gaming pro is pretty good

Anyone ever bought a case with a decent power supply before? Hoping to find a good one but any I find that actually have a review say they are noisy or blew up on them

>>60282186
R5 1600 is the buy right now. I can attest to the fact that the stock cooler is remarkably quiet and has overclocking headroom, I wouldn't go above 3.8Ghz tho. It will pair extremely well with the RX580.

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A friend of mine asked for a build to play ARK, Nier, and Fallout 4. They budgeted 1200 dollars and their main focus is on the case. So I left the case out so they could find what ever they wanted with the extra money, but how is this build?

>>60282240
>Anyone ever bought a case with a decent power supply before?
Don't do that, don't cheap out on the psu. Never a good idea.

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Does anything speak against using a 5€ cooler until my AM4 upgrade kit arrives? I've got a mail that it will still take some weeks until my upgrade kit arrives unfortunately.

>>60282257
3200MHz memory is unneeded but it does look good

>>60282257
pretty good anon. just pick a bigger ssd, 250gb is a minimum.

>>60282257
It is very solid. The only improvements I might add would be a fully-modular PSU and maybe a larger SSD, but the budget may not allow for that.

>>60282215
ive been waiting for an excuse to upgrade my pc so I can start getting into projects as a timesink. I may not use the full 8 cores but I wanna have them there when I get more time for my hobbies. Its my first pc in a long while so im willing to splurge a little on the cpu/gpu

>>60282275
just don´t overclock?
you can wait a few weeks without OC, right anon?

>>60281943
I was planning to buy the watercooler either way. Why is it overkill? I want to overclock the 6700k to 4.7 or 4.8 whatever the highest it can be stable at is. It also looks nice with my case, would be willing to wait for it to go on sale though.

Was considering 8 cores because I might get into streaming but I feel like the 6700k is enough for that.

>>60282346
Yes I can. Thanks.

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Corsair 200R? Yes/No?

>>60281265
someone put my poor heart to rest, was that real or fake?

>>60282358
>Why is it overkill? I
few degrees (3 - 4) over a $70 air cooler for thrice the price

>>60282257
You don't need 650w. 450-550w is more than enough.
I'd drop the HDD entirely and get a 500GB SSD.

>>60282470
what's a good air cooler then?

Newbie question. Both the RX 570 4GB (ASUS ROG Strix) and 1060 6GB (EVGA SC Gaming) are about the same price at a local store; the latter $20 more. Which one is better? I have a R5 1600 sitting by to go with it.

>>60282543
gtx 1060 by a big margin

>>60282524
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/7dTrxr/noctua-nh-u12s-se-am4-cpu-cooler-nh-u12s-se-am4
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XXK7YJ/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhu12dxi4
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Zr2kcf/be-quiet-cpu-cooler-bk010
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jK8H99/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h5universal
Or if you wanna go watercooling
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/w37wrH/corsair-cpu-cooler-h55

all of those are great coolers

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hey y'all how does this look? no graphics card because i don't game i want a dedicated workstation for school and work.

>>60283066
>i want a dedicated workstation for school and work.
what work exactly?
This looks very overkill.

>>60283066
at work i deal with extremely large excel files. thousands of lines long sometimes. is it really too much for that? ive never built a pc and i am currently on my macbook pro from college

>>60283118
>>60283146
my bad

>>60283146
Yes, spending $800 just for an excel & basic desktop stuff is way overkill.
Go for a g4560 instead, no cpu cooler, a much cheaper motherboard
You can also find much cheaper 250GB SSDs, for around $95
And this Western Digital Black is not really made for you. Regular 1TB drives (western digital caviar blue, etc) go for $50

The PSU is also way overkill, unless you plan to stick a gpu in there later on
That case is also awfully expensive, and the two 120mm fans are absolutely not even remotely needed

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>>60274907
Parents need a new computer. They use it for work so it needs a little bit of juice. They didn't give me a specific budget so I went pretty cheap. They don't play games or do any graphic rendering. At most they use a proprietary inventory management program for their business. Can you see any problems with my build for them?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wRRyBP

>>60283259
damn well looks like back to the drawing board thank you for your input i just want a lighting fast i mean zero lag non gaming computer and i dont know how to do that without over compensating.

I'm trying to save money by looking for combos but each time I check they literally add up to the same price as buying them separately. Am I missing something/doing it wrong? From UK if that matters.

>>60283320
looks good to me

>>60283066
>i5
>960 evo
>212memevo

I don't think you could spend $819.39 worse.
aha?

>>60283320
Get windows from kinguin

>>60283391
well i did buy a macbook pro for college so im not the smartest. i just my desktop to be faster than my laptop which is already lighting fast

>>60283440
Make an mITX HTPC with a good low profile cooler.
Get a 7700 non-k or something.
That'll be cheaper and much better than that garbage build.

>>60282149
>despite being OC'd at 3.4GHz, randomly fails to go over 3.0 despite being at 20C
>CPU fails hibernate restores
>showing signs of small freezes and struggling with 1:1 shit that it had no issues with beforehand.

>>60283709
I really like that case though I don't spending more for it I just don't want to over spend on internals

If I have a micro atx case will only micro atx power supplies work on it or normal atx ones too?

am i the only one who prefers nonmodular psus?

>>60284086
Yes. What's your logic?

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Going to purchase all the parts tomorrow. So I'd appreciate some last minute opinions.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F4TqJV
Budget is $800.
Mostly gonna be focusing on emulation (Dolphin and PCSX2, no cemu) and playing games from around 2010.
It might be a little much for what I intend to use it for, but I always like the option and want to get the most out of my money. I just want to know if I can get something better for cheaper or for the same price.

>>60284121
I don't know, I find it easier to have all the cables in there without having to fuss around and connecting new ones when I plug something new in.

I also think it looks cool. When I show people my case, sometimes they're impressed that I was able to put everything together after seeing all those extra cables inside laying around, even though they're unused.

What do you guys think of a dual monitor setup with one being IPS and one being TN. Do you think the panel difference would annoy a person for everyday use or does it just not really matter/noticeable? I have a 1440p TN monitor already but looking into getting dual monitors but not sure if I would regret a IPS monitor next to a TN monitor. Been trying to google for opinions but I haven't found any so far. I have a brother that had two different panel monitors and he claims it drove him nuts and he replaced one of them.

>>60284196
I have a setup with one IPS and one TN. One is also 1440p and the other is 1080p.

Doesn't really bug me. I use one for gaming and the other for multitasking with stuff in the background.

>>60284196
I can't stand it. I had to temporarily use a TN for a third monitor. Hurts my eyes so much.

If i got a msi rx 580 should i get a msi x370 motherboard?

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Any recommendations for Freesync monitors?

Also is there any downsides to having a 1440p 144hz monitor when using it at 1080p for higher frames?

Like using it at 1440p for SP games / locked 60 FPS then when playing multiplayer games drop down to 1080p for that 120+FPS shenanigans?

I suppose it would have to stay a 24inch since 1080 on a 27 would likely look pretty bad.

Any ideas whats causing this lads?

Games running perfect at 60 fps. Not a single drop. Suddenly drops to 48 fps and then 2 seconds later the PC shuts off with a short beep. Won't boot back up unless power cable is removed, turning the switch off then on makes no difference.

Any ideas?

I think I made a mistake in getting a RaidMax PSU. Should I return it right away?

>>60281929
No, not worth it at all. Wait untill 2019/2020 When Zen3 comes out and processors are hopefully using 7nm or smaller architectures.

>>60282524
Thermalright True Spirit 140. Not the Direct version.

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Is everything good?

>>60284510
is this bait

is ASUS Prime X370-Pro a good motherboard if I get a m.2 ssd. If i get it do i put the gpu further away from cpu and m.2 slot?

>>60284510
?

>>60284623
I'm serious. What's wrong anon?

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New to PC building.
Why do people buy watercooling for their CPU and not for their graphics card in a gaming PC?

Just curious.

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I'm looking for a new case with a lot of space and huge, quiet fans that I can wire up real nice and clean. I'm strongly considering the Cooler Master HAF 932, but my only gripe is that it's butt ugly and cheap looking.

Anyone have any suggestions for something comparably spacious and quiet, but more stylish?

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After finally getting all parts for my new PC, I forgot I didn't have any good mice or keyboards.

I fucked up. Can anyone recommend me a mouse and a keyboard for less than $100?

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>>60284798