/spg/ - Smartphone General - S8 Reviews Edition

>mi6
>no headphone jack
Lol

If the S8+ is already 6.2" large, then what's the point of the Note 8?
Are they gonna make it 7-8"?

I'm only waiting on the note8 because I expect it to be bigger.

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>no headphone jack on the mi6

What phone am I supposed to buy right now? This one would have been perfect if it wasn't for this chink logic in it. I really need to change my Xperia Z guys. And I waited for the Mi6 for some time just to get chinked.

where do I buy chink phones if I want to pay with PayPal and without getting fucked by German import fees?

>>59966880
S-Pen is the main difference. They might make it a a bit larger too. Just like how S7 Edge was 5.5" and Note 7 was 5.7"

>>59966934
Not worth the wait for me then.

Only other contender is the mi mix 2.

>>59966928
Honorbuy EU direct
http://www.honorbuy.com/28-eu-direct

Flosmall with EU customs protection
https://flosmall.com/

Grossoshop
http://www.grossoshop.net/shipping-from-europe

Gizchina
http://shop.gizchina.com/eu-direct/

Ibuygou
https://www.ibuygou.com/categories/eu-direct-1.html

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Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but here I go.
I have a Mi3 and a Chuwi Hi8 and lately on both of them the Youtube app tends to stutter a lot for no apparent reason, some time even with 480p videos.
Anybody else having problems with it? I assume it has something to do with one of the more recent updates because I never had this problem before.

>>59966928
gearbest

>>59966972
try /csg/
>>59966135

>>59966966
thanks familia

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>>59966797
>Xiaomi Mi 6
>no audio jack

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Fucking retarded chinks! Fuck! It seems like the mi mix 2 will not have an audio jack neither and it's the phone I am waiting for!

Anyone have a Le Max 2?

Does the camera have manual mode? What can you change in it?

WTB

<200 USD
t-mobile LTE bands (2/4/12)
around the performance of SD650
either mSD slot or more than 32gb internal
either near stock android or healthy rom community

Is the best I can do the G5 plus?

>>59966924
OnePlus 3T or wait for them to announce the OP4.

>>59967543
LeEco Le Max 2
>Under $200
>4GB ram, 64GB storage
>1440p display
>Snapdragon 820
>USB Type C
>Official LineageOS build
>Fully compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile bands
https://www.kimovil.com/en/where-to-buy-leeco-letv-le-max-2-4gb-64gb-x829

>>59967656
Wasn't there word that x829 has problems? And people generally recommend x820 instead?

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>>59967033

this

they had one fucking job

I was waiting for the mi6 only to find it has no jack

fuck this meme

>>59967656

This one is better for $210
https://www.kimovil.com/en/where-to-buy-leeco-letv-le-max-2-6gb-64gb

Looking for a cheap new phone that can run most basic apps. I know stuff like instagram which is a basic app requires certain OSs and certain smartphones can't run it at all. Not sure on other apps off the top of my head, or whether cheap tracfones or straight talk phones will work that way.

What's the cheapest I can do both in price of the phone and plan that can do the most? Thanks in advance.

>>59967033
Is it that big of a deal?

>>59967913
Not knowing your location (so I don't know whether to recommend chink phones or not), the Moto G series are a good balance of price/specs/software on the cheap. Moto E if you're really on a poorfag budget. Avoid anything below 8GB of storage.

Unless you get conned by you provider or a brick&mortar store to get some overpriced old garbage they need to get rid of, you'll likely never find a case where a mainstream app is not compatible due to an old version of the OS, as most apps target several versions (API levels, in the Android jargon) being 4.1 (from 2012) usually the oldest. Fragmentation is a meme created by Apple, not an actual problem from the consumer side.

>>59967955
This

Just buy a type-c to 3.5mm adaptor like what Le Eco phones have when you buy them.

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNlTNE1y9DM
Damn, MKBHD always has the best reviews.

>>59967955
>>59968024
This posters should neck themselves. Otherwise, buying it and having to buy a stupid adapter just promotes the practise.

Should I get my S8 in black or silver boys?

Leaning towards black, looks slick but it'll be my 5th black phone in a row so idk what to do famm

I really want a theme for android. but it's 2 dorrars and I can't afford it right now. I've tried googling like a maniac for the apk if its anywhere out there. anyone got a suggestion on how to aquire the theme? google rewards doesn't work in my country.

UnixP

>>59968084
Promotes the practice of what? Buying floppy disks?

>>59968103
silver is ugly and cheap looking

>>59968120
Just style it yourself you dumb bitch.

>Xiaomi 6
>a phone not intended for the western market
>no Band 20 thus

Me NO interest

>>59968297
Except There is no improvement for the end user in removing the 3.5 jack.

>>59966924
S7 or mi5

>>59968411
It's kinda strange as a lot of the Redmi phones do come with B20, but none of the flagships do

seems that mi5s is the phone to get in a month or two price will drop to 220 euros

>>59968443
citation needed

>>59968519
They started coming with B20 after the 3S or 4 I think as they noticed they started selling well in other countries outside of APAC. The Mi flagship series are more of a local thing, especially at the beginning. I'd expect an international version or 6S model with B20 though, there's no way they can keep ignoring the European market.

>>59968674
is this a real post

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>want a phone with insanely good camera, other aspects dont matter unless it's seriously gimp with multiple flaws
>s7 is 380 here
>pixl is 550-600+, other flagships 500-550+
>mid phones are 210-260++

So should I just bite the bullet and spend a little extra?

all the mid level phones have some sort of fucking insane flaw that just shits it all up.

Should I just get the s7 and be happy with an excellent all around phone?

>>59968721
get the s7 but beware of stutters and no software support

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>>59966797
iphone 8 will have fingerprint dongle confirmed

>>59968721
Mid range phones always lack "something" that flagships get, but since some years ago that something are usually nice-to-have features and not basic stuff like not being a lagfest after a year.

Camera quality is one of the first things that bite the bullet in the 200-300€ range. If that's the only "must" you have, the S7 is a good option but maybe you can consider some others in that price bracket like the Honor 8 with dual cameras. Most reviews also post camera comparisons too, so check some before your purchase.

>>59968753

fair enough, i just care about pics and social media.

>>59968721
>phone
>insanely good camera
okay lol

>>59968785

honor 8 is 340+ here, definitely not worth it.

6x is 220.

g5 plus and p9 goes from 250-300, which at that point I kinda am steering on just paying ab it extra.

if I can get a camera thats 85-90% as good as the s7 at the very lower 200s I'd take it. but if it's 300+ then I'll just add another fiddy and get the flagship.

>>59968721
Sensor size has everything to do with image quality, and cell phones really go for the smallest sensors due to limitations on how big the lens can be.

Go for the ASUS Zenphone 3 Zoom. That one seems good. Can shoot raw, 2 cameras one of which is pretty big (4u).

>>59968792

>this motherfucking autist thinks its acceptable in any way to carry a camera
>hurr my 800$ sony camera SHITS on your fucking phone lelel

You're either a professional photographer/work for the news or some fat creeper.

or both.

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Ok, if I bit the bullet and got the Zuk Z2, what do I need to do after I receive it?

I've never "rooted" anything and never "flashed a rom" or whatever the fuck. In layman's terms, what steps do I need to take to make the phone functional and up to date?

Pls respond

>>59968822
in phones software is 50% of the image quality, and asus is dogshit

>>59968848
go to zukfans. cock and check there

>>59968822

you mean this one?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-ZENFONE-64GB-BLACK-1000032407/dp/B01L29XI4M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492609436&sr=8-2&keywords=zenfone+3

Will it take stuff as good as the s7 and much better than the honor 6x and moto whatever?

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>>59968721
>want a phone with insanely good camera

Why not just get a compact camera with a big sensor?

If you have any kind of standards a phone camera will always leave you dissatisfied. Mushy images, bad low light performance, narrow dynamic range.

>>59968808
The Honor 8 IS a flagship though, just not one overdesigned (except for the dual camera stuff) with every single meme feature in existence in order to reach iPhone price points like Samsung or LG do.

>>59968976

no space.

A good camera that's actually an upgrade to a flagship phone is like 500+

I'm not bringing a purse or a fanny pack.

I can't bring a fucking proper camera in a bar, a club or a restaurant without being a weirdo.

Using a camera for taking pictures outside instead of a camera makes me look like some fob foreign fucker from a different eu country.

And again, that shit don't fit my slim fit jeans.

Also I need a new phone.

380 pounds for a camera + phone feels better than 200 on a phone and 400 on a camera.

>>59968848
If you don't like ZUI then pick something from
https://zukfans.eu/community/threads/7-1-x-unofficial-lineageos-14-1-20170414.4852/

https://zukfans.eu/community/threads/indian-z2-plus-qpst-official-firmware-zui_2-0-093_st.587/

and follow the instructions

>>59968976
This. I carry a Sony a6000 with me and simply move images to my phone when I need to.

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>>59968721
>>59969008
If the camera is as much of a priority as you make it out to be, you could try to get your hands on a Lumia 950. Of course that's assuming you care more about the camera than normie apps like snapchat.

http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=7262&idPhone2=7821&idPhone3=8345

>>59968024
I used to think the lack of a headphone jack was a dealbreaker. But considering it meets most of my requirements while being half the price of the S8, I'm unironically willing to compromise and buy an adapter. I mean, I don't consume media on my phone that often, so using an adapter is somewhat acceptable, provided that it actually works and isn't overpriced.

The phone will definitely take some time to hit the market in my country, so we'll see in the meantime if there's a better bang-for-the-buck phone coming out. I hope the OnePlus 5 doesn't disappoint.

>>59969129

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Lumia-inch-SIM-Free-Smartphone/dp/B06XRZ473P/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1492611033&sr=8-7&keywords=lumia+950

Only care about taking pics of things, people and myself with other people (not selfies in a pitch black room, which all the retards seem to praise the s7 camera being amazing for ).

The camera seems flagship level after a quick view, and I can get a refurbished one off of amazon for 150 bongers less.

>refurbished

what could possibly go wrong with saving an extra 50 quid?

>>59969137
> provided that it actually works and isn't overpriced.
It will break after some time if it's not made of solid metal.

>>59969219
>what could possibly go wrong with saving an extra 50 quid?
Well, it's Amazon so you'll most likely be able to return it no questions asked if something is fucked up.

>>59969219

>https://www.shop.bt.com/products/microsoft-lumia-950xl-4g-hspa--gsm-32gb-5-7--windows-phone-10---black-a00026079-btbm-BVNN.html?utm_content=RR00&gclid=Cj0KEQjwldzHBRCfg_aImKrf7N4BEiQABJTPKDK9ssYoMuPhlmuAWC3Po_LTS0PJltwIInnpgxz4LbEaAjYE8P8HAQ

actually this is even cheaper, costs less than the honor 6x and half the price of a s7.

dunno why, its new as well.

Do you think there will be an s8 mini with the same design and an AMOLED screen? I only care about small form factor, OLED screen, small bezels and an ok camera

>>59969137
The adapter only works with LeEco phones since they have patented CDLA. The Mi6 is stuck with Bluetooth.

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>>59969219
>>refurbished
>what could possibly go wrong with saving an extra 50 quid?
Probably not much. Maybe some scratches here and there, but functionality usually isn't compromised in refurbished units. Also this >>59969266

>>59969270
Interesting, I'd have expected the XL to be more expensive than the smaller 950. The only differences are the larger screen, and slightly faster SoC in the XL. Snapdragon 810 in XL vs 808 in non-XL.

But yeah, the 950(/XL) camera is up there among the best. I'm still waiting for an Android flagship that doesn't look like a downgrade in that and other crucial (to me) aspects.

>>59968718
Yes.

What's the most comfy screen size?

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Fellow samshitters, what color S8 are you getting? Having a hard time deciding between black and silver myself.

>>59969311
Unless Xiaomi sells their own adapters. I mean, they already make almost every single thing imaginable, so I can totally see this happening.

Chinks are literally the jews of Asia.

>>59966924
wait for the Nokia 9

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Goddamn I don't know which phone to get
it's driving me insane
every phone I check is fucked up in some way or another
I just want a 5.5" - 5.7" screen with good battery that won't slow down after 1 year goddamn it

>>59969440
Cheap: Redmi Note 3/4 (Snapdragon versions)
Flagship: One Plus 3T

>>59969451
>chink shit
>flagship

>>59966880
I wish they'd make two versions of the Note like the S8. I'd prefer a device the size of the S8 with S Pen.

Getting a pixel XL or Samsung 8 (maybe plus). Samsung has that new processor, but I've heard it isn't notably better performing. Plus the pixel is cheaper now, and has reliable Google software instead of Samsung shit.

So Pixel XL or S8(+)?

>>59969456
>implying bootlooping or exploding gook shit is any better
>implying every single phone is not manufactured in China anyway

>>59969340
5.2

>>59968871
>cock and check there

What did you mean by this?

>>59969313
>>59969270

All the reviews say that the lumia 950xl has an excellent camera and very good specs and build and everything but windows is such a shitty os they drop it to 6/10 or 3/5 instead of a 8.5 or 9?

Is it that abhorrent for a casual multimedia social media user?

Did 2016 to 2017 make big improvements to windows?

>>59969463

Or just an S8 lite

>no fingerprint sensor
>no iris scanner
>no shitsby

just a comfy pen attached to it, a larger battery, a tiny bit better camera.

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>>59969340
4.7''

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why does every phone have those stupid onscreen buttons now?
i just want to get a 5"-5.3" phone with better specs than my redmi 3 but all of the phones i find that are in my price range have those dumb onscreen buttons
also does anyone have any experience with that google phone service, fi or whatever it's called? im tempted to get it, but if its shitty, i don't want to be stuck with a phone with dumb onscreen buttons as well as shitty service

Does anyone has an S6 edge with official nougat? It's been months and my g925f still hasn't received that update, fucking samshit.

>>59969673
It probably depends on which apps you want to use and what you want to do with it beside taking pictures. I don't really use social media myself, but you've got your Facebook and Twitter apps and I think that's about it. Snapchat and Instragram don't exist on Windows.

>Did 2016 to 2017 make big improvements to windows?
Yes. At launch, Windows Phone 10 was disgustingly full of bugs, stability issues, and what have you, which is likely a big reason for the bad reviews. Throughout 2016 it saw a lot of improvements. It's still not perfect, but it is quite fast and smooth/responsive, works well as a daily driver.

>>59969809

Fair enough but isnt IG available on windows phones now?

Does that mean i cant access most hookup or whoring websites of i get a lumia 950xl?

Or any future big name releasing social media?

>>59969884
>Fair enough but isnt IG available on windows phones now?
So it is.
>Does that mean i cant access most hookup or whoring websites of i get a lumia 950xl?
It has a browser that works just fine. Never had any problems with websites in Edge, aside from it lacking webm support.
>Or any future big name releasing social media?
I just said I don't use the stuff, what makes you think I would care to keep up with what's going on about social media ?

>>59969684
kill yourself.

>>59969684
ask me how i know that phone never leaves your house

What's the best browser on phones these days?

Thinking about jumping ship from android to apple as I don't like any of the new phones. Some great deals on the iphone SE, how good are they? Seems to be fuck all price difference between the 32gb and 128gb too which is nice

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>>59966797
iphone 5 is dead and not worth spending money to fix myself. I hate apple so much and plan to switch to samsung. I don't use my phone for much more than texting, music, or youtube, and I don't mind size, camera, or old versions provided they do their job and aren't overpriced.. Battery life and ability to disable bloatware are my main concerns.

samsung s7 y/n?

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My 5x finally fell for the bootloop meme. What's the best stock phone on the market right now replace it, $500 being my soft ceiling. Or should I just use my backup phone and wait for a big reveal this year?

>>59970995
I'd say wait, if anything the Pixel may even just get cheaper when the new phones come out

>>59969684
Source on the picture?

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Is there any (good) android n rom for the lg v10?

Having issues with ADB and my 6P.
My phone is bricked (however I can still open TWRP). When in download mode, it's undetected by adb devices. However, it's shown while in recovery. When I try to fastboot anything, it says waiting for any device. There are 2 emulators present that I can't seem to get rid of.

>>59969694
Redmi 4?

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I want to have my phone automatically start a playlist when an NFC tag is read.
What app should I use for this? I used tasker and set it to open a .m3u file whenever if read a specific NFC but it was pretty buggy and palyback didn't always work.
Some media players allow for tasker integrations but I'm not sure wich does this best.

Also what alternatives do I have apart from tasker?

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>>59971155

Recommendation on cheap/near disposable smartphone capable of running Lineage/Omni/Sailfish/etc?

Specs don't matter, I run only text based productivity apps.

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Guys, I'm about to buy a phone. Help me decide between the Xiaomi Redmi 4 Plus (or Prime) or the Xiaomi M5. Here's what I need from my phone:
>reliability
>good digitizer
>great battery life
>5" screen at the most, but I guess I'll tolerate the 5.5", but nothing more
>I want it to be fast

I don't give two fucks about video gaming, I don't play games on my phone. Should I just get the Redmi 4 Pro if I don't really need a lot of power, just smooth multitasking and great battery life?

Where can you buy a Moto G5 Plus if you are not in the US or UK or India? Banggood does not have them.

I'm about to say fuck and flash a Nougat rom, the only thing I'm going to miss the flat style bar indicator module. Is xposed the only way to tune the status bar to my liking?

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>"upgrade" to android 7.0
>no dedicated memu button/function
>installing the flash player .apk doesn't do anything
>can no longer watch flash pornos
>all my files are out of order
>all of this still works on old broken android 6.0 phone
noice upgrade

>>59968721
The S7 for 380, don't let anyone con you into buying chink shit
380 is a ridiculous price, where the fuck do you live?

>>59971991
As someone who's looked at both but know less than the average in this thread about phones:
Mi5 is faster due to higher end SoC, has a larger screen but nearly no bezels on the side making it about 0.3mm less wide than the Redmi 4 (prime). All reviews I've read say that the redmi 4 is the best lasting phone they've tried (asides from battery meme phones like the Oukitel K1000) and that it's plenty fast. Keep in mind that the Redmi 4 / prime has Mi5s in it's base configuration only really has higher end SoC, marginally larger and better screen, USB C, build quality and software support as a pro at up to twice the price.
My own bottom line is that unless I find a lightly used Mi5 (or Huawei P9 which seems pretty much comparable) at less than 200€ I'll just get a redmi 4 prime.

>>59972360
Mi5 will have a price drop once Mi6 is introduced into the market.

>>59971934
Moto E / G phones have good LineageOS support.

>>59972331
Nougat has the System UI tuner but it's pretty limited

>>59972360
Aight, you've convinced me, I'm getting the Redmi 4 Prime. Hope I'll be happy with that bitch.

>>59972504
Forgot to mention that the redmi 4 prime has 900mah larger batter than the Mi5s as well.
You should post in here when you get it. Know where to buy it?

>>59972468

Noted, thanks. Anything from chinkland that would undercut even the E?

>>59972565
Sure, I live in Slovakia, plenty of Slovak and Czech shops that carry the unit. I'm getting it for 200 euros, not a bad price, I think. There's an option of getting a 'hardened glass' for it, supposedly it makes the screen much more durable. Should I get it or is it just a meme? I'm getting a flip case for it.

>>59972581
No if you want custom ROM support

>>59972598
Unless you want it immediately, just order that off aliexpress for a euro. Read up on xiaomi.eu how to flash their rom which is an significant improvement - specially since vendors often put their spyware-filled rom in phones not meant to be sold outside of China they resell internationally.

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>>59972565
>>59972598
It's actually called a tempered glass. Should I get it if I'm getting a flip case like pic related, or is it gonna be redundant?

>>59972682
I'm actually pretty illiterate in the mobile phone department. Could you explain to me what kinda of significant improvement does it present? Thanks, bro.

>>59972581
The Xiaomi Redmi, but if my own experience is anything to go on, it's not worth it. My brother got a Moto E in 2015 at the same time I got a Redmi 2. I've been having issues with the USB port, cell network connectivity and the touchscreen (just randomly dies), and the camera is not much better than the Moto E despite the extra 3 megapixels (except in very low light where you have a flash). I'm looking towards replace my phone after less than two years of use while the Moto E is still going strong. But then again, the Moto E is hopelessly outclassed and a Snapdragon 200 cannot do sweet fuck all, so it will probably need to be replaced sooner anyways.

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>>59972714
I personally wouldn't but I have small hands and focus a lot on the width being minimal - considered the Xperia XA but it's specs like a redmi 4A and priced like Mi5s..

When getting cases note both that the flash is opposite side on the redmi 4A / 4 and 4 prime - so if you get the wrong one it might block the flash (some have a cross-looking cutout to work for both) AND there's two sizes of the redmi 4 prime. Phones produced after january 11 2017 are a tiny bit physically smaller which might cause the case to be a bit loose if it's not meant for that version of the phone.

xiaomi.eu rom adds pic related and some more. Also full Slovak UI which you might be interested in. Check their website and read up on flashing phones.

>>59972882
Oh man, thanks a lot for your help. So getting tampered glass with the case makes no sense, alright. I'll just get the case, and if it's too big/too small/the flash hole is on the wrong side, I'll return it.

And yeah, I will definitely read more on flashing the ROM, it really is a significant fucking improvement.

Thanks again, based anon.

I need a small 4-5" phone that has decent specs that runs Android

any ideas?

>>59972997
Sony Z5 Compact
Sony X Compact
Galaxy A3 2017

Today I've ordered Mi5s for ~250$, was this a mistake? Is there anything better for this price?

Is there any problems I should know about for an LG K10? It's the only Android in stock near me and I can't wait for shipment to replace my old snapped one.

>>59973139
no but shouldev waited a bit, price will go to 220 since mi6 is announced

>>59967656
le eco phones are so close to being what I want, but the lack of 3.5mm jack just kills it

What's the best replacement for an LG G2 that's sleek, all-black, good battery and camera

>>59973523
Just use the included adapter?

Is it possible to get an s5 active working with TMobile? Also, will the Nokia 130 work with TMobile in the US? If not what is the us equivalent of the 130?

>>59973780
with as much as I listen to podcasts, I'd be worried for the stability of the usb-c port

Galaxy S8 owners see red as phones ship with tinted screens
https://www.cnet.com/news/some-samsung-galaxy-s8-phones-ship-with-red-tinted-screens/

Teardown concludes Galaxy S8 has a Galaxy Note 7 battery
http://bgr.com/2017/04/18/galaxy-s8-vs-galaxy-note-7-battery/

I've been looking at the OPT3 for a while now as an upgrade option, but then the potential OP5 leak came out. When should we expect the OP5 to come out if it does? I'm not in a rush for anew phone but I'd rather not wait a year. On an at&t S5 right now

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Does /spg/ have any preferred app lockers?
I don't really need one, but I want to lock up my pictures and files in case I lend my phone to someone for a call. It's all fun and games until someone deletes your stuff.

I have an S6.

Should I upgrade to an S8?

The only thing wrong with my S6 is the battery life is garbage.

>>59974037
i use fingerprints

>>59974077
The S6 in general is garbage. The S7 is what that piece of shit should've been. Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade! Your carrier may even have a plan where you can upgrade again next year while continuing to pay the same or less.

Now, let's talk about S8 accessories. Do they have curved tempered glass screen protectors?

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I just bought a pink and green Redmi Note 4X for my younger sisters.

It was hard getting the green one in stock.

Very disappointed in the new mi6 from Xiaomi. Hopefully their new note line will be a real upgrade.

Is the Mi Note 2 still worth buying? Or is patience the better option?

Sent from my Moto X Style

>>59973989
Either this summer or in like December, depends on if they want to wait six months or a full year between 3T. They'll probably say something about it soon so I'd wait a bit longer if you're not in a hurry

I wonder how much it'll cost though. The OP prices have crept up 50 bucks with each phone, starting at 300 and now at 450 with the 128GB 3T. So I'll assume the next one will be 500

>>59971655
>>59971655
Wrong thread?

>>59969349
I'm getting black, but I'm going to throw that bitch in a case so I guess it doesn't matter.

>>59974254
And also, what are the options for a real thin, clear silicone case? Something that doesn't really disrupt that slick form factor.

>>59974037
>in case I lend my phone to someone for a call
Android has a guest profile since Lollipop:
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/6115141

>>59974380
I'm hoping they don't creep up too much. Their whole goal was to be high end but budget

>>59974254
>pgrade, upgrade, upgrade! Your carrier may even have a plan where you can upgrade again next year while continuing to pay the same or less.

kill yourself

>>59974477
Yeah it's almost getting to the point where they're just another high end phone themselves

>>59974480
Fuck off, peasant.

>>59974610
enjoy getting cucked you consumer shill

>>59974309
send nudes of said sisters

>>59974620
Cucked in what way exactly? To me, the cuck move is having a shitty poor people phone.

where's the cheapest trustworthy place to buy a redmi note 4/4x

>>59974798
if you are going to buy a phone you should buy it outright and UNLOCKED, not via some ass-raping carrier

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>>59974805

>>59974811
Uh, no, because that's the same cost but all at once. What I'm doing is paying half the cost of a current phone per year and getting to KEEP that phone current. If my folks wanted to opt for it, we could also have swapped me into a G6 for HALF its retail cost, but over two years. Great deal for a pleb like you who doesn't care about being current.

>>59974850
>i like getting a contract shoved up my ass while my parents stroke my hair

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>strong custom rom community
>swappable battery

Does this exist in a chink phone?

Any compact phones on the horizon?

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>>59972468
Moto G. Lineage works awesome in my G4, the best experience I had with an SmarthPhone desu

>>59974811
this isn't an iPhone where you can just change carriers and expect VoLTE and WiFi-Calling to work.

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Get your wallets out, this needs to happen

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/4/19/15359702/moto-keyboard-mod-indiegogo

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/keyboard-mod-a-physical-keyboard-for-the-moto-z#/

>>59974986
wut

Any device worth it's marbles can jump carriers with no problems

>Nexus 5x
>Nexus 6p
>Pixel
>Pixel XL
>Moto G5
>Moto G5 Plus
>Moto Z Play
>Honor 8
>Axon 7
>Axon 7 mini
>OP3
>OP3T

All completely unlockable and compatible across gsm carriers (the first 7 on cdma too). I know I'm missing some, I just listed those off the top of my head

>>59975049
You likely wont get the features he mentioned. Hell only one carrier in Canada has VoLTE and its only with certain devices. You definitely wont get it with chinkshit, even Nexus/Pixel devices might not get it.

>>59967656
Aren't these phones gigantic though?

>>59975049
bullshit.
here's AT&T's response for WiFi-Calling:
>Wifi calling requires HD voice, but non ATT phones (except iPhone) are not programmed to work with ATT system.
https://forums.att.com/t5/Device-Features/Wifi-Calling-for-an-unlocked-Galaxy-S7-Edge-International/td-p/4929734

>>59975101
http://www.spectrumgateway.com/compatible-phones

There are plenty of options to choose from. No reason to cuck yourself by buying a locked phone on contract.

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>Android
lol

>>59974805
gearbest

Any suggestions for someone looking with around $150-$200 budget? I typically buy flagship models a couple years old. Currently on a 2014 Moto X.

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>>59975154
If VoLTE is important to you then you are severely restricted in what phones you can get. Sure you can get a phone that is "compatible" with LTE but we're talking full 100% support for all features. Pretty much iPhone or carrier models only.

I used to have a phone I bought outright but it made more economic sense to get one on contract, since I'd only save $10/month ($240 over two years). It used to be $20/month ($480 over 2 years) and at that point it did make sense to bring your own phone.

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>>59975291
those numbers lie.
Samsung is nowhere near Pixel.
Touchwiz lags as always.
https://www.xda-developers.com/with-the-note-7-samsung-still-delivers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/

>>59974254
The S6 isn't garbage. Why would you say that? The only literal downside is the battery life. Which is, in fact, garbage. I gotta charge the shit from empty to full at least once in the middle of the day. Thank god for fast charging.

>>59966924
Axon 7s or just wait.

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Just got my s8 in this morning. And as someone who went from an s6 edge to this, I have to say I am very impressed.

>lightning fast, hardly hangs is very fluid

>camera is phenomenal, shoots legitimate 4k

>screen is extremely clear when used at it's brightest.

>battery life is noticeably better.

I can go on and on, and I am also still learning about new features as I play with it. Also Sprint threw in a free Gear VR headset just for preordering.

>tl;dr if there ever was an iPhone killer, this is it.

>>59975981
>free

>>59975995
Yes free, as in I did not have to pay for it.

>>59976017
topkek

and how long is that contract you had to sign?

xperia xz premium is looking pretty nice

what's the price point going to be like? similar to the S8?

>>59976026
I didn't sign one, paid the full price with extra income tax money I had.

I already did the "next" plan with the s6 edge that took nearly 2 years to pay off and when it was all said and done I paid way more than the cost of it out right. So I wasn't letting that happen again.

still rocking a note 3

thinking about just waiting for galaxy x so i can have my mind blown as much as possible

>>59975981
>going to /b/

>>59976075
Isn't the Next plan for people who upgrade every 6-12 months? Doesn't make sense to pay for it and then not take advantage of the upgrades as quickly as they become available.

Hi, my brother wants to buy a good android smartphone.

>budget
300€

I wanted to help him, but I have no idea honestly. Pls reply

>>59976173
No, you're basically financing the overall cost of the phone.

>>59976354
Zuk Z2 Pro

>>59976365
He tried this one and said he didn't like it..
He has his eye on Huawei Honor 8, is it a good buy?

>>59976418
It's decent enough

>>59975018
i saw somewhere verizon gonna invest in it

>>59976354
mi 5s

Bad idea to get a s8 and gear s3 frontier?
Going for T-Mobile in America, cause work discount, and have a $1000 budget and want muh comfy stuff.

Any decent phone with bands 2600 and 700 that is not expensive af?

>>59976494

LeEco Le S3

V20 or G6 (sprint)?

>>59975981
report back after the honeymoon period is over

Which one should I get, the htc 10 or the s7? or should I wait for new phones to be announced?

>>59974959
no, your kind are being breeded out of existence

>>59974959
http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?fDisplayInchesMax=4.9&sOSes=2&sOSversions=2600,2700,2710&nOrder=1

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>game I usually play doesn't auto fit the whole screen on the s8+
>has BLACKED bars
rip money down the drain.

>>59977207
>playing vidya gay memes on a phone

Stay cucked, my friend.

>>59977244
I'll be buying some tendies at micky d's and killing myself afterwards, look for me on worldstar

>>59969340
6.2"

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I'm looking for an Android browser that has flash support that works in Nougat. I used Dolphin on Marshmallow, but it seems broken now after switching to a newer phone.
Should I keep fumbling with Dolphin, or is Puffin alright? Puffin just werks now, but is it safe?

>>59966880
16:10 and Wacom digitizer, maybe?

>>59970447
Just moved from an HTC one m9 to iPhone SE 64GB. Pretty comfy. I did it for the size ( sick of stupid large phones ). Battery life is gud with smaller screen. Think the 64GB was $449 through AT&T

Moto G5 (plus or not) owners: what kind of screen-on time are you getting?

>>59977386
>Flash in 2017
Literally everything is html5 now

>>59977556
Not my old porno.
I want only the finest of trojans to infiltrate my botnet machine.

>>59977556
I wasn't able to watch chaturbate whores without flash

>>59977602
What site is that? I cant even remember the last time I've seen a site require Flash.

>>59977604
Works fine here, both mobile and desktop version of the site. Using Chrome.

>>59975141
I just got mine in the mail and its not much bigger than my old zenfone 2 for my Manley hands.

>>59977849
Shit like newgrounds or places that hosted .swf files to play/download.

I just got the S8 today and iv'e been playing around with it for 2 hours.

AMA

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>>59975981

>lightning fast, hardly hangs is very fluid

so your're saying it hangs

>>59969476
id go for the pixel xl just to avoid touchjizz

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My G3 shit the bed with the CPU soldering, and Im looking for a phone better than the G3 for under/around $300 CAD. Ideally id like this phone to last 2 years.
I'm tempted to buy chinkshit, but i've never dealt with it nor know where to even buy it in Canada. Ive thought about Redmi note 4 or Mi5. GSMarena recommends me pic related as well.

WHY ISNT ANY YOUTUBE APP WORKING NOT THE OFFICIAL OR NEWPIPE REEEEEE

Best battery replacement brand?
I have a g4 and the battery has been draining way faster than normal the past month and i assume i need a new one but have never bought a replacement, what brand should i look at?

>>59978392
my iPhone 6s doesn't have this problem

>>59978738
>paying $700 for a toy
How's it like being a middle-aged woman?

>>59978893
paid less than $500, but at least my YouTube still works

My S8 should arrive next week. Shame almost it will be put into a case. When I take my S6 out of its case I'm reminded how good and thin the phone is.

>>59974037
Just don't let anyone borrow it? Everyone has one these days and if they don't fuck them, i don't even have a password on mine just the slide to unlock security and i have a cringy anime rice and mountains of lolicon on that shit, no point when the thing never leaves my sight and i wouldn't lend it to anyone even if they were dying in front of me.

>>59966797
I received a Verizon ellipsis 8 tablet from my grandmother but I can't remove her google account. Any way on how to? Also is there any way to flash cyngemod or another OS on this device?

>>59975457
It is, that and the note 5 were failures, sammy really fucked up that year.

>2500 mAh battery despite shipping with a 2k 5.2 AMOLED screen
>no sd slot
>unremovable battery
>screen so fragile it gets scratched by random lint and dust on your pocket
>started the curved screen meme
>wasn't selling so it got 2 "revisions" with the first one NOT offering anything new over the old one besides the battery being a whole 50 mAh bigger
>edge+ version was made bigger for some reason and the battery settled on a meh 3000 mAh, only improvement was an extra gb of ram
>most countries besides burgerland only got the 32 gb version

>>59978716
I've always gone with Anker and I've never been disappointed.

>>59977386
Puffin doesn't need an extra app to play swf porn games, has full screen mode and doesn't lag even if your phone is a monster specs wise, go with that one.

Is the Zuk Z2 a worthwhile meme?
It seems to check all the boxes for me. Do they last?

>>59966797

GUYS! What is the phone above the £200-250 chinkshit (that you guys shill) but below the £600-800 samshit/appleshit (thats 2expensive2justify).

Who owns the mid-high tier market? The £350-550 pricepoint?

>>59979277
They don't really last but for that price it is a damn good buy, i'd rather get a flagship in everything but build quality for 200 dollars than some budget carrier-exclusive mediatek huawei/zte piece of shit with 3 GB of ram or less.

Before you buy it be aware that it has a subpar screen, no SD slot, laughable camera unless you have just the right lighting and know how to take photos, poor build quality ie the paint will fall off and it won't survive a fall, may not have the bands you need and comes bloated with chinese botnet so you'll need to unlock and put mokee on that shit asap.

>>59979367
Oneplus 3T

>>59979391
thanks for the knowledge senpai

>>59979269
Is it /g/ approved in not a botnet?
I don't want to justify my shit taste to Google or anyone else.

Will iMessage ever be dethroned in Amerikkka?

>>59979406
This. Just got one. Shit is cash.

>>59979508
Why do you care? It's the only browser that works, even if it were botnet there are no other options, and there are no /g/ approved android browsers besides chromium and naked.

>>59979577
Burger with a data cap.
These types of apps have eaten through it before.

>>59979607
Do you not have wifi or something? Don't tell me they cap that shit as well.

>>59979635
Shit wifi, sure. My own fault though, I have other things besides smartphones using it all the time.

So with the MI 6 realease, will the price of the MI 5 drop a little?
Was waiting for my phone to die to get a new one, and this may be just the opportunity.

Country: America
Carrier: T-Mobile
Works, good price:performance, preferably large enough that I don't have to squint. I'm broke as fuck and I was considering the Xiaomi shit but apparently my 4G'd be no good on that, so something alone those lines that I can use I guess?

>>59979668
I see, well iirc when i first opened the browser it told me it was "encrypted" unless it was a public signal and that it doesn't waste mobile data, just have your quick wank and uninstall.

>>59978133
How is it? Do you like it? What was you previous phone you were using before the s8? Is touchjizz still garbage? Is the phone slow and "laggy" or is it snappy and responsiveness?

Are there any Note 4 batteries that aren't 2 years old? Maybe it's time to get a new phone.

>>59969129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzU_0g7amkk&feature=youtu.be

>when an old ass phone destroys modern camera phones with both video and picture taking while having a god tier microphone for recording

NOKIA COME BACK PLEASE

What are the chance of 7+ having headphone Jack?

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what the hell is with Oppo and Vivo being expensive as fuck? (inb4 selfie meme)

>S8+
Finally, a decent flagship

Looking for a upgrade from the Samsung Galaxy S6 but below $300 .

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>>59966797
>http://willmyphonework.net

So does my phone have to checkmark all three networks for my carrier?

I've got koodo and the 3G and 4G LTE work, but not the 2G.

I've never had a flagship phone . Is it insane to spend 900€ on the s8+? I use my phone all the time since I don't have a desktop or a laptop. For once in my life I want something top of the line. Is paying 35€ a month for 24 months with 60€ right now stupid?

So i got a Zenfone 3 Max (ASUS_x008DC) for my birthday. My old phone was a Samsung Galaxy S3. On T-mobile.

How is the performance for this particular phone? Will i need to bloat it with a custom rom or something (its on Android 6.0). Primary use would to read shit and play mobile games while trying to keep the battery life as high as possible.

>>59980694
If you're not using it for VR, I say no.
If you can't buy it in one payment and have money for VR apps, I say no again.

>>59980886
I'm not sure about VR I've never tried it. Basically my phone needs to do everything a computer would do and more.

I'm currently using a Moto g from 2014 and while I can manage with it, I dislike the pictures it takes and I broke off the little table in the headphone jack and Bluetooth doesn't want to play music to my car stereo. So I can't use it in my car to listen to music.

I travel a lot and when I do I travel ultralight with a carry on only. So I don't have room or weight to spare for a laptop or a dedicated camera. I want a phone that lasts long and is still top of the line. My gf has the s6 and it takes really good pictures is the s8 similar or better?

>>59980971
s8 has the same camera as the s7 which is a mildly evolved version of the one on the s6. That said, the s6 is pretty godly for a cell phone camera with a f1.7 aperture, high dynamic range color temperature compensation, and that pitifully small 26mm focal length that translates into super wide angle (human eye sees at around 50mm focal length on a 35mm sensor).

So, all told, it's the best camera you could get on a cell phone... as of a year ago. By the fall, if the iPhone doesn't blow it away, then apple is slipping, though.

>>59980971
the S8 camera is identical to the single-lens shooter on the S7, meaning you won't be getting the advantages of dual lens cameras like the G6 or i7. That's just the /p/ in me.

Regarding doing everything a computer would do, what are you thinking about? Videos and shitposting? $200 phones can do that.

>>59968775

That's fucking funny

>>59981062
Does a chromebook, or a dumb terminal to your windows remote desktop count?

http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/apps/samsung-dex/

>>59980971
Adding on to my post >>59981062
Something else to consider with Samsung phones is the amount of bloatware they force on you with their Android package. I used the Note series until the exploding battery debacle, and always hated the things I couldn't uninstall without rooting.
>>59981109
all the flagship android phones can use google's remote desktop, to my knowledge.

>>59974811
why? i'm not going to change carriers any time soon

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Im sorry I can't hear the haters through all this screen

>>59981011
>>59981062
>>59981109
>>59981149


Thank you for your comprehensive replies. Well we do everything from our phones, book trips , take pictures ,watch movies, listen to music, I do text editing with a keyboard and an otg cable for a couple of /out/ blogs. Of course browsing and shitposting. With the dex feature I think most of this will become easier at least at home. I'm really happy with her phone for most of the heavier tasks like picture editing but I would want a bigger display especially for watching movies and TV. The water and dustproofing would help as well as since the Monsun that caught us earlier this year in Thailand has damaged my phone. Bigger battery can't hurt either that's why I'm opting for the 8+.

>>59980694

I pre-ordered the S8 today to get that VR promotion. Honestly, I wouldn't see any reason to get the Plus, unless you really need it to cover all your bases possible. As far as photos, they're good, but the G6 has a wide-angle lens, and a bit cheaper.

Anyone have any word on the international edition of the Nokia 6?

>>59981230
Yeah, but the minimal battery increase is offset by the larger display. I used to have a Droid MAXX that would last a week of moderate use on a charge. Had a 5400 mAh battery. There's no reason Sammy couldn't have gone higher than the 3500 mAh they chose.

>>59968103
just got black, is really sleek, would cop again (looks simpler and cleaner than the black s7 edge)

>in dire need of changing my four years old smartphone

>I'm gonna wait for the S8
>It's clearly a rushed phone, surrounded by easily breakable glass
Fuck!
>I can wait for the Mi6
>fuckhuge bezels and no headphones jacks
FUCK!
What are the alternatives?

how do i install ios on a s8

>>59968103
I really wanted the gold S8, but those niggers aren't bringing it to America. So I went with black because, if you pay attention, all the face plates are black. No more different colored fronts for different colored phones. In that event, might as well make em match.

>>59979687
>>59967656

>>59981264
They're super scared a second exploding battery line will ruin them.

>>59981230
if the S8+ still looks better for you over the G6 or Pixel, go for it. Nothing you listed is particularly power intensive for phones to do and could probably be done with ease on cheaper models.

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Just upgraded to a new LG, and the Android version says 7.0.
But where's the menu button? My two first smartphones had one, the third has a long press button for it, and this new one doesn't seem to have it. Just this multi screen thing that feels like crap.

>>59981240
I don't think the VR promotion is in my country. I couldn't find anything on Samsung's website.

>>59981264
Mhh true. So maybe the regular s8 would be better it still has a bigger screen than my current phone.

>>59981371
>They're super scared a second exploding battery line will ruin them.
So don't make exploding batteries. Problem solved. Motorola can do it, why can't Samsung?

>>59981400
No reason to get the S8+ if you're not going to play with VR.

>>59981400
>I don't think the VR promotion is in my country
https://promos.samsung.com/infinitelyimmersive
Put in your shit and find out.

Then report back, you lazy fuck.

>>59981430
Apple patents and copyrights everything. Can't copy them or come close.

>>59980362
It clearly says that your carrier doesn't use 2G

>>59981438
So how does Motorola manage it?

>inb4 they patent non-exlpoding batteries
>every other phone manufacturer forced by law to only use exploding batteries

>>59981452
>forced by law to only use exploding batteries
Fucking shitters don't know about my batteries leaking corrosive acid.

>>59981437
It's just US.

Which manufacturer has the smoothest UI, barring the nexus line?

Is Force Doze even necessary anymore now that Android Nougat has it built in?

The ability to select which apps get restricted wakelocks must still be useful, right?

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>>59969340
3.3"

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xiaomi Redmi pro 4 or Mi 5?

Best quality/price ratio?

Also, is gearbest legit? I heard people buy stuff from here with paypal, cuz it got better customer support.

>>59982181
http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_452989.html?wid=4

Tell me why I shouldn't buy this.

>>59982181
Yeah Gearbest is legit, buy through Paypal though.

How bad of an idea is it to buy off Ebay?

Can't seem to find a z3 compact anywhere else without paying $400+ USD for it.

>>59982201
>http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_452989.html?wid=4
Should I buy this? I really like the phone, but I'm afraid i'm gonna regret it, so I need the maximum opinions on it.

>>59982256
I've bought plenty from Gearbest and they've arrived fine. Their customer support, along with any chink reseller is pretty shitty though.

Just do your research, also check out other resellers (e.g. Aliexpress, banggood, geekbuying).

Comrades what do you think about the glorious redmi 4a? My chink friend says he can get me one for $95 from his hometown.
Any other phones along this range?

>>59982724
>$95
Get it. That's pretty cheap.

>>59982724
Anyone know if I can put Lineage OS in this?

>>59982749
Check the downloads section, faggot

>>59982724
>MIUI8 - which is the most
gorgeous and user-friendly operating system to date
wtf is MU8? can you even run android apps on that? Don't be a cheapstake. Save more money

>tfw got the Exynos S8 today
>tfw it plays 1080p and 4K videos with high bitrate flawlessly using MX Player Pro

Fucking amazing. These same videos lagged like a motherfucker on my old Galaxy S7 and on my friend's iPhone 7. Buttery smooth on the S8. And the screen is so fucking beautiful that I don't mind 2 pixels on all the four edges getting cut off in fullscreen mode.

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S8 or S8+?

Currently using a Note 4.

>>59983024
>fell for the 4k on phone meme

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>>59969697
Hey I do, received he ota on 15 April. The phone is so much faster andy battery life has improved a little bit. I haven't run into any quirks yet. Everything is super snappy, the app switcher is a lot faster and a bit touchier. Love every second with it so far.

Although I'm extremely happy with the update (which I received a day after caving and buying a new phone.) My S8+ will be here in the morning.

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>>59974450
If you looked online. At all. There are plenty of curved screen protectors. Same as any phone, all try accessories release before phone and you have myriad of options.

>>59976598
I'd say g6 personally, but go test it out in store. I was gonna get one but after playing with the s8 I chose it. Nothing wrong with the g6 really. Just wanted to give this one a shot.

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Jealous?

What does /k/ think of the LeEco Le Pro 3 AI Edition? It has dual rear cameras. Only $260

Why does my s6 only last long enough for a couple hours use when I use battery saving mode?

Is it possible for my phone to be too old to make a custom ROM based on 6.0 or 7.0?

So I've been looking into new phones for the past few days, and maybe it's just me, but phone manufacturers don't seem to have a goddamn fucking clue what they're doing.

Apparently all the new phones are LESS rugged than my 6 year old galaxy 2, and either equal or LESS battery life.

I might as well just keep using my goddamn galaxy.

>>59983258
4.5 hours SOT?

>>59983381
Go away neckbeard ;)

i need a stylus to doodle dicks with.
recommend me a mobile platform that i can use anywhere on this earth, but is powerful enough to run circuit simulations and 3d rendering software. physical keyboard would be nice.

>>59980207
There's no need to upgrade.

>>59981257
Coming out in May.

>>59981397
Android doesn't use it anymore; it will appear in the button bar when needed (if you're in an older app that uses it).

>>59981618
I've heard Sony is good. Close to stock. Moto is also stock.

>>59981644
Doze only takes effect after a long period of no use and no movement, so basically when you're sleeping. I use the app Greenify to force doze quicker than usual and even when it detects movement. Basically it means emails pop up when I turn the screen on instead of notifying me immediately, but the battery life is awesome.

>>59982255
It's probably ok if you go with a reputable seller. I'd check out Swappa. Right now there is just one for sale there but it's a good place in general.

>>59983355
Of course it's possible, what phone do you have? Less popular or carrier specific phones are less likely to have custom roms.

>>59983381
You're not looking hard enough or just have no clue about phones if that's the conclusion you came to

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This is honestly the best feature of the S8.

Can use it for porn. Can use it for torrenting. Can use it for anything.

>>59983462
I have a samsung galaxy S4. I wouldn't mind making my own custom ROM, but wasn't sure if it could handle it.

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Anyone >>59983038?

>>59983381
I have an ancient S2 as well, also around 5-6 years old. It took a LOT of beating back when I used it (around 3 years ago) and then my mother used it for another 2 years or so. It seems to work fine but the battery doesn't hold a charge anymore unfortunately... Wish I could get a S2 body with modern specs + bigger screen.

>>59983498
I've never "made" a custom ROM, but I'm sure your phone could handle it. I have Nougat on an original Moto G (media player device) and it's perfectly smooth.

>>59983560
luckily the s2's battery can be replaced :^)

>>59983563
When I meant by made I download the source code from google and make the ROM using their tools. It would be extra work, but on the plus I can disable anything I want and customize it entirely how the ROM will behave.

>>59983589
I know but not sure how willing I am too shell out money for a new battery when I am not gonna use the phone anyway.

>>59983258
This is HTC One-tier.

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>>59983484
>those short, fat fingers
kys fatty

This pretty much: >>59968084

Thanks to people like: >>59968024 and >>59969137 we get retarded shit into the market. You need to vote with your wallet.

>>59983484
renaming the Samsung My KNOX app isn't really a feature.

Disclaimer: I'm new to smartphones.

I've been trying to find a guide for rooting a redmi note 4. I found several different ones but it seems like each iteration of the phone has a specific guide for it.

https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.ligi.materialteatimer
https://www.gizdev.com/install-twrp-root-redmi-note-4/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-4/how-to/guide-redmi-note-4-unlock-bootloader-t3517806

Only one of them has the guide for the Chinese ROM I think. Which one is the correct one? I have the MTK Helio X20 build.

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