/wt/ - Watch Thread

First for Seikos are shitters

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>>59843592
Second for plaidposting.

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see
>>59842856
Let us please not go back to the early 2000's where everybody was running around with 42mm+ aviator watches. The douche factor was off the charts. Ostentatious pieces of shit.

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FUCK ARCHIE LUXURY

HE'S A LOSER POORFAG WATCHED BY OTHER LOSER POORFAGS

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Are asian gfs required to be a true watch enthusiast archie?

>>59843643
Quality post

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I'd like to get to clear up early in the thread that HOMOS watches are not welcomed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmmoFdCtDLg

>>59843643
archiefags blown the fuck out

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>>59843643
>>59843720

Why would you own a replica?

A homage yes, even a homage that looks exactly the same as what it's homaging.

But when you put that fake logo on it just proves that you're a poser that wants the watch, not because you like the design, but because you want to pose.

>>59843769
>Why would you own a replica?

*Counterfeit

Be sure to report all counterfeit watch postings and links for illegal content as it violates international copywrite laws.

>>59843769
See >>59843643

Why are replica classic cars appreciated among car enthusiasts but replica watches among watch enthusiasts are hated?

>>59843816
I agree with a lot of that. Mountain Jews are inflating their prices for watches that are 80% maid in China.

So that's why I buy Japanese and Chinese watches.

That still doesn't excuse buying a fake.

>>59843709
Here are the simple facts: Nomos are literally the first new company to develop the capacity to design and manufacture mechanical movements including escapements on a series production basis since the 1960s. They join Vostok, Orient, Citizen, Seiko, ETA and Rolex as the only non haute horlogerie companies capable of this.

Developing this capability took a several year and ~12 million Euro investment in escapements and a further ~2 million Euro investment in designing the ultra-thin DUW 3001 calibre. These are enormous investments from a company with an annual sales volume of 10,000 - 20,000 units, and as a result must necessarily be reflected in increased unit prices.

In an affordable luxury watch market heavily dominated by Chinese-cased ETA-powered marketing-driven shitters, any watchmaker that makes the investments required to become a manufacture and actually increase the technical diversity of series produced mechanical movements should be applauded no matter whether you like the aesthetics of their product line. To the extent that Nomos succeeds by following this path, it may serve to encourage more investment in the technical aspects of watchmaking by other companies rather than just investing in more value engineering (i.e. cost-cutting) and more advertising.

Just in the last 10 years we have gone from a $1,000-$4,000 market where every single watch was powered by an ETA movement to one where you can now choose between ETA, Tudor, Nomos, and Seiko (8rXXs, 8LXXs). How can this development be regarded as bad for people interested in horology, regardless of whether you would personally buy any of those watches yourself? If only Miyota and Seiko would add micro-adjuster models to their ebauche offerings and Tudor would begin to use their in-house movement in more models, we could return to an era of real competition in movements in production watches not seen since the glory days of the 1970s.

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>>59843629
My Type A Flieger is 40mm... It's tiny.

>>59843866
Too big for your, and most people's, wrists.

>>59843857
how old is this pasta btw

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>>59843866
You need a man sized Flieger

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>>59843643
Honestly you can buy a lot of guns for the price of a rolex and it will be a better investment. Except cheap ar-15s since the price keeps dropping

>mfw i paid 700 for a ruger ar 556 and now it can be had for 500

>>59843933
I heard that lots of gun stores stocked up on guns because they expected panic buy when Hillary won.

But then she didn't win and gun sales have gone down. Meaning a lot of unsold guns.

>>59843932
reeee man on the meme is so fucking good

Why is it $3,000 reee I'm poor

>>59843950
Pretty much. I did the same thing. Got ripped off on my ar and ak, but it was a gamble. Prices would have risen if she won, because her rapist husband banned both those guns for 10 years. Looking forward to ammo pricess falling

>>59843960
It's really not, the dial fisher price tier looking cheap plastic. Ugly as sin.

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>>59843933
>buying whole AR instead of just getting a lower and assembling your own

That's your problem right there.

>>59843976
If it was $600 it would be worth the money though, that's what I'm saying.

>>59843908
A couple of months, tops. I wrote it so I'd have a quick and easy copypasta antidote to the mindless anti-Nomos shitposting.

>>59843996
True enough

>>59843902
lol another fgt on the old thread criticised it for looking too small.

>>59843996
>>59843976
I disagree that it's ugly

I do agree that it's overpriced

I think with the new reference number and the new meme box this comes in, it retails something like $6250

This is a max 4000$ watch retail

Still really nice, but you're a dumb punter if you buy one new anyway

>>59843933
eh guns are just as hard to make a return on as watches. especially dime a dozen ARs.

You should buy a gun or buy a watch because you want the gun or the watch.

invest if you want to invest but don't try to justify purchases by calling them "investments"

>>59843769
>Why would you own a replica?

It's cheaper than a homage

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>>59844049
>$4,000
>For a cam actuated, manual winding, non-hacking chronograph with a Chinese bracelet

>>59843769
Because there is no good homage to the Speedmaster.

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>>59844303
>Cam actuated

Really? Even China does column wheels.

>>59844303
Aren't their cal 7550 speedies with automatic movements and hacking though?

They're even cheaper on the used market than the manual wind non hacking ones too.

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>>59843827
There are no replica watchmakers, save rare exceptions that are generally not available for the general public to purchase

I'm just going to copy and past shit I've already said in this threads:

A replica is not where you try and pass off something as the original trying your best to mimic a specific logo or signature. A replica is where you actually, truly, try to replicate something. That means you ultimately need to recreate the manufacturing methods and materials used to make the original the best you can.

Keep in mind there is no reason to replicate a watch currently in production, those are all fakes. Take a look at something like a Rolex Sub. The amount of money it would take to get the tooling required for their 904L steel, get the equipment to make the parachrom hairsprings and to train new staff on all of it, your projection costs for a replica of a modern Rolex would be significantly higher than what it would cost for Rolex to make them, probably even quite a bit higher than simply buying them until you've produced a pretty significant number of units.

In general for replicas of all types: Real replicas that people are putting time and effort into are only of things that have been out of production for a while, and often the original examples are so scare not everyone who wants one can get one, so one or more is used as an example for reverse engineering and then replicas are made from the reverse engineered plan. Some of the completed replicas hit the market, others go straight to museums as many replica projects represent one-off or extremely limited run projects.

For an understanding of what makes a replica a replica, lets take a look an episode of Jay Leno's garage where he shows off his Bugatti Type 35 replica. This is a little different than just buying a fake of a current production luxury watch and then calling it a "replica" as if that was the correct word.
https://youtu.be/mIxlql0Ebnc

>>59844395
Or the Marie Antoinette swatch built.

There really is nothing special about a non hacking 19 jewel manual wind Chronograph movement.

The meme on the moon is 80% marketing.

Chinks sell a chronograph with same specs for $300 and yeah the speedmaster will have better QC but $2700 worth?

>>59844395
See >>59843643

>>59844002
>mindless anti-Nomos shitposting
Nomos is popular among those who are driving the decline of the Occident, not because of an innate quality of the watch, but because the watch face fits their fear of self-expression and lack of identity.

>>59837510
>And I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians used some military-grade quality for the electronics just to make sure it works.
Alright, I might get one then. Do the Elektronika watches use some weird Soviet batteries that are really hard to find nowadays?

Does anyone here own a Nomos?

>>59844094
people with stockpiles of ARs are counting on them being banned, then they become gold. kind of sucks prices are down I inherited like 15 I should have unloaded a few before the election.

>>59844651
I'm fairly sure there will not be another Republican in office after this debacle and you will be able to make your money in 4 years or likely less

>>59844591
The Reddit crossposters

>>59844700
What debacle?

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>>59844794
Thats the god emperor. 12 more years

>>59843963
Thanks

Thoughts on the Seiko SSC513?

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What battery does the Pulsar PW3001 use? It has to be a standard one, if it's proprietary, that's a dealbreaker.

>>59845150
Too big

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THESE OVERPRICED SEIKO WATCHES POSTED HERE CAN EASILY BE REPLACED BY CASIO MODELS MADE WITH THE SAME MATERIALS BUT IN QUARTZ FOR 10 TIMES CHEAPER.

STOP FALLING FOR THE MECHANICAL MEME. IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!

I'm going to buy a watch on July, but I don't know which one to choose:
>VC Overseas
>AP Royal Oak

They are both prices similarly (but I think the overseas is a bit more expensive). My main concern with the AP is that it scratches too easily.

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>>59845155

A watch shop should replace your battery for a few euros

>>59845352
I don't like that kinda bullshit though, I just want to be able to pop in a standard battery there myself, especially considering the battery lid is attached with screws.

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>>59844394
They're ETA shitters though

Get the motfm, lemania 5100 or pic related if you must be omega chrono

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>>59845336
Overseas bra
VC is for honorable Christian men

AP is for gaudy niggers

>>59845336
They're very different looking, but both will be very expensive to service.
Pick the one you feel like having

>>59845443
>FP1285 no-date
Excellent taste

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>>59843629
>>59843628
Can't stop won't stop

>>59845443
Now that you mention it, 3303 Omegas are probably the technically best chronographs they make, with a movement based on a high end Piguet 1285 ebauche.

Sup fa/g/s. Just found this thread.

Daily on the top, "date watch" on the bottom.
I'd wear the Seiko all the time! If it kept time. It's about 4 seconds fast a day. The Casio is about 10 seconds slow a month.

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>>59845574
fuck

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>>59845487
>Loose bracelet

Jordan Belford is that you?

Ive been saving up for a used speedy for about a year now and when I finally have enough money I suddenly want a GS quartz instead.

Went to their boutique yesterday and the polishing blew me away. They didnt have the model I wanted (sbgx061) but I think the quality is the same.
Talk me out of this /wt/.

>>59845336
I like them both, but if I were to spend that much coin on a piece, I reckon I'd choose the Pp nautilus desu

Between the two I'd probably pick the AP

>>59845603
Get the speedy. If you don't like it you can always flip it. Not so easy with a GS.

>>59845603
Keep saving and get a auto GS

>>59845603
This >>59845654

I can fully understand wanting a GS over a MOTFM stylistically but do you really want to spend that much on a quartz?

>>59845574
you could look into something like an oceANUS which both look a wayy nicer than either of those while syncing to atomic time.

>>59845336
>AP Royal Oak

This is the only right answer. Join us.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=177896

>>59845603

Get it nigga the 9f caliber is fantastic.

>>59845803
>Replies to a guy with a 12 dollar watch and a used seiko he bought for 40 bucks off ebay
>Ay yo dude go buy a 1500 dollar watch lmao it'll be great

Thanks senpai, I'll just sell my car and get it.

>>59845891
>oceANUS costs more than 500 new
>he doesn't wear the Seiko because it 'looses time,' but instead just wears another watch that looses time.
If you prefer quartz over mechanical because it keeps better time, you better have one that actually keeps time well. Like the one our resident quartz GS owner has.

Orient makes best value watches. Love my ray.

>>59846058
Nah Rolex make the best value watches.

>>59845541
Supposedly they ran into a few issues, and it's not equal to the 1185. But still, given the price point of every watch based on the 1185 it should be good value

>>59846101
There were a number of part upgrades, which should all be done if the watch was serviced at AD/by Omega after 2009.

Haven't compared it to the 1185, but it's vastly superior in timekeeping and feel to the MOTFM 1861

>>59846058

Nah, Christopher Ward does.

>>59846146
LOL

>>59845979
Why are you quoting him as misspelling loses when he didn't even use that word?

Also, only an idiot would buy an anus.

Why would you buy a speedy that isn't the MOTM?

T I M E X

>Speedy reduced is literally the superior speedy with the best features
>Meme on the moon is still more expensive on the used market

???????????

>>59846278
I was eighteen, told to pick any speedy, and didn't want to have the same watch as my dad

>>59846331
Any speedy that isn't the man on the moon is just an overpriced ETA shitter chronograph with a chinese bracelet.

The meme on the meme at least has heritage.

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>>59846331
The subdials are ugly though

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Just buy this "speedmaster" for $150

>>59846427
Fuck me dead!

Why don't seagull oil their movements?

>>59846278
Because the Piguet 1285 based Omega 3303 movement is on another planet than the archaic non-hacking, cam actuated, 21,600bph Omega 1861.

>>59846545
They do. It's just gutter oil

Is there a good mechanical chronograph with a stopwatch longer than one hour, preferably up to 24?

>>59846801
One google of Omega 3303 and I get a forum thread full of people complaining about how shit it is.

>>59846850
Read >>59846142, see http://watchguy.co.uk/service-omega-seamaster-chronograph-178-0515-calibre-3303a/

and read the thread

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POORFAG WATCH THREAD GENERAL

EVERYONE'S POOR YET POSTERS STILL TRY TO BE SNOBS ABOUT THEIR SHIT TIER SEIKOS

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>>59846930

Sarb033 or bulova moonwatch?

>>59846850
Jesus christ, can ETA touch ANYTHING without fucking it up? How the fuck did they make such a mess of a Piguet 1185 derivative?

>>59847062
SARB. The Shitova is an oversized mall-tier quartz shitter.

>>59847062
SARB, not a me-too moonwatch

>>59847098
>Jesus christ, since when did ETA make Frederic Piguet ebauches?

>>59846848
Seiko 8r and 6s are 12 hour, my 8r at least doesn't stop at 12 either but will keep running so as long as you remember roughly when you started it you can keep track of longer time periods

>>59847121
>>59847107
Why is /wt/ so hostile to the bulova?

I want a watch that looks like a speedmaster but can't afford a speedmaster.

>>59847121
Fine: Can THE SWATCH GROUP touch anything without fucking it up? How the fuck did they make such a mess of an Omega exclusive Piguet 1185 derivative.

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Why don't more watches use the correct roman numerals? IIII makes them look like fakes to non watch people

>>59847419
Who cares about what those people think. IIII is correct.

Also, I don't you're going to get much love for that dial, or any california dial-eque implementation.

>>59847419
>That lume application

How is this a Kilobuk watch?

>>59847197
It's too big. End of.

>>59847419
I wasn't keen on this watch but it looks pretty nice on a perlon

>>59847532
>Having girl wrists

>>59847197
Old Accutrons are cool as hell, just not the "moonwatch" re-issue which is just made to look similar while containting a completely different movement

>>59847234
They released the movement to production prematurely. There are five updated parts that the watches receive at AD service.

What bad experiences have you had with Swatch group movements?

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Got my first penis-quartz for 80$, almost in perfect condition.

Guy listed it for repair cause it ticks every 2-seconds, but apparently that happens when the battery needs to be replaced

So seiko renewed the cocktail line a while ago, do you think they'll revise the SARB line anytime soon?
Hopefully they'll ditch the lume this time. Then it will be perfect.

>>59847569
>which is just made to look similar while containting a completely different movement

So like half of speedmasters?

If the MOTM is the only "watch cleared by NASA for use in space".

Why have many astronauts worn casios?

>>59847569
You mean other than Co-Axial being, in it's entirety, a meme?

>>59847755
for EVAs. and the X33 is approved also.

>>59847603
What speedmaster professional models are not flight-qualified by NASA and contain movement types that have not gone into space?

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>>59847569
>>59847814
Or them killing the Lemania 5100 in favor of the technically inferior Valjoux 7750? Or never fixing the 2824-2 handwinding issues? Or barely using the 2892-A2 I'm any Swatch Group watches because it would obviate cuck-axial Omegas?

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Rate. Paid $298.

>>59847881
not professional but reduced, automatic, day date and moonphase have no heritage and are just piggy backing off the name.

>>59847908
$297 too much

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>>59847956

Jelly faggot

>>59848065
If I wanted an explorer homage I'd just buy the alpha one. At least it's not a fake.

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>>59848101

Suck a dick faggot. It looks 100% perfect.

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>>59847755
You're quoting a phrase which is not correct.

You're really going to struggle with watches, and most forms of technology without a strong grasp on details.

"Flight-qualified by NASA for all manned space missions" might be what you were looking for. Or possibly something else.

Quite frankly, you're going going to need to google and learn about this if you're interested, people write books on stuff like this, it's not going to fit in a 4chan thread.

But let us go back in history to when the speedmaster became the chosen watch of NASA. NASA does a trial, wants to pick a watch, they end on speedmaster. They issue speedmasters to their astronauts but also have the astronauts bring their own backup watch as well, like David Scott's Waltham chronograph. So a bunch of certified speedmasters provided by NASA and some other watches belonging to the astronauts ended up going. So that should be a pretty clear example of why we've seen so many non-omegas when omega has been certified, qualified and rubber stamped, bringing up other watches has been sort of regular the entire time. It's just NASA isn't going to issue you something they they haven't certified -- because they're NASA.

>>59847908
kys nigger

>>59847892
>Lemania 5100 in favor of the technically inferior Valjoux 7750
They fucked up

>Or never fixing the 2824-2 handwinding issues
Anecdotal. But who buys a 2824 anyway?

>Or barely using the 2892-A2 I'm any Swatch Group watches because it would obviate cuck-axial Omegas?
Fucking ass-backwards. 2000's 2892A2 seamasters were excellent value and the (upgraded) non-cuckax 33xx movements are amazing.

>>59847925
>>not professional but reduced, automatic, day date and moonphase have no heritage and are just piggy backing off the name.
That's simplifying a complex issue about a seamaster model which got its own product range

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>>59848151

You're the nigger

>>59847062
Vintage spaceview

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>>59847585
That looks so uncannily exactly like my watch and my wrist that I had to do like a quadruple take until I realized the watch in the photo has the day window and mine only has the date. And yes, it ticks every two seconds when the battery is low, mine started doing it too a couple of weeks ago and I should really get around to replacing that. I think I paid like $150 for mine if I remember right so I guess you did good.

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>>59846388
Any good reason why they cannot let the sub dials use more of the available space, like Pic. related?

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>>59847908

It's really impossible to tell real and rep Rolexes apart nowadays.

Really makes you think.

>>59848311
>see person wearing Rolex-looking watch
>statistically most likely to be a fake
Why even bother?

>>59848304
Dial position is decided by the movement.

It's why speedmaster fakes are super easy to spot. They use a seagull st19 which has the wrong dial position

>>59843857
Does Raketa produce escapements? I think so.

>>59848300
Yours looks like its in a little better condition, also I think I like it better without the day window. looks a little dressier that way. Have you had any luck opening the battery replacement hole? Mine feels like its stuck.

>>59843857
Do any other companies use Nomos movements&escapements? I feel like they could make a lot of money selling their DUW3001 to other companies

>>59847908
Nice get.

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>>59848433
>59847908
>nice get

>>59848311
>>59848339
Maybe you care about the quality and accuracy of the movement rather than just the fake, marketing driven perceived social status wearing that logo is assumed to accord?

>>59843827
There aren't any replicas of current production cars. They make replicas of old, rare and classic cars, so that more people can actually experience what it's like to drive them. The intent isn't to make people think you own the original.
For instance, a replica of a super old watch, down to the exact movement, would make sense. A counterfeit submariner doesn't.

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>>59845336
15202ST

>>59844591
There have been a couple posted here yeah. A regular poster has a Metro.

>>59845311
Suggest a quartz alternative to a sarb035 please
I'll buy it right away

>>59845336
The RO is the only one I like in that category. Nautilus and Overseas can go away.

>>59845574
Do you actually wear an snk809 on canvas on dates? Come on..

>>59848697
Seiko king quartz

>>59848697

MTP-1183E-7
MTP-1344AL-7A1V
LTP-1183Q-7A

>>59848606
>quality and accuracy of the movement

Just buy a quartz if you care about that m8

>>59848417
Could say the same for Vostok and Raketa. There's Vostok Europe and some smaller batches of watches produced for random Russian(?) companies, but they're not exporting movements to anyone else. Raketa seems to have given up on Baselworld too, and I don't know if Vostok ever attended before.

>>59848346
>Dial position is decided by the movement.
Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the design of the movement would be determined by how best to position the sub dials?

And that Porsche design probably also use an ETA.

>>59847585
The top looks polished to shit in that poc, but I'm assuming it's just the reflection?
If so, good pickup anon. I'm going to get a penis too soon.

>>59847596
Very unlikely. The cocktail time was a special series in collaboration with whoeverthefuck. The sarbs just exist.
I'd love a no date, no lume sarb035, though.

>>59843626
Reminder that you're wrong.

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>>59847596
>>59849191
fuck the cocktail time, they need to bring back the Blue Spark. I would strangle so many kittens for one

>>59849149
Its mostly the reflection, but it does seem like the pattern has worn a bit off compared to >>59848300

pretty sure it isn't polished tho

>>59848734
I'm actually considering that instead of a sarb.

>>59848914
Eh. Similar style indeed, but they don't look nearly as good.

>>59843769
Never, and I'm not exactly flush with cash.

>>59849133
It's very hard to make a movement, hence why most watches use the same few movements.

I was debating a leather strap but OP left out the strap stuff. Anyone got it saved?

>>59849253
>thicc
>simple stick hands
>those big lines of text
It's no masterpiece. Looks alright though.

>>59849295
You're no masterpiece. Wanna fight?

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>>59849253
The lugs remind me of the old 5740.

Would be nice to see new (grand) seikos with angular case shapes/lugs.

>>59848549
The watch, you fucking mongoloid.

>>59849750
That makes even less sense though

>>59848647
So fucking ugly.

>>59849757
maybe he was making a joke that it came out of a claw machine I guess.

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>>59848697

There is no alternative.

>>59849294
Here

http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

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OrientStar Retrograde anyone?

>>59845603
which boutique did you go to? I was at NYC earlier this week but they didn't have any of the new GS.

>>59850095

Not even once.

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Which brands make watches that look like instruments?

>>59843916
How wide is that diameter?

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>>59850203

>>59850203
You might look into some vintage longines chronographs

>>59850247
That's not vintage

>>59850203
just strap a multimeter onto your wrist lmao

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>>59850261
>13ZN from the 1940s
>not vintage

>>59850044
bless your kind heart

>>59850354
I meant watches I can buy that look like instruments that aren't vintage

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>>59850203

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>>59850203

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>plain dials
>relatively simple movements
>expensive as hell
>Coca Cola logo
>ridiculous commercials

I really hate H. Moser and Cie.

>>59850458
...H. Moser & Cie has commercials?

>>59850458
Why

>>59850203
Daniel Henry

https://danhenrywatch.com/products/1939?variant=26515058883

>>59848933
Has it never even occured to you that someone might be genuinely interested in mechanical movements and the engineering and effort required to make a high quality and highly accurate mechanical movement?

Or are you so totally driven by status seeking that you can only see watches based on how much invented "prestige" they can confer on your desperately aspirational beta ass?

>>59850770

What I just read is and forever will be one hundred times more beta than original post.

>>59850701
>Miyota Movement

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>>59850841
>N-no y-you!

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>>59850188

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>>59849488
The SBGH001 uses the iconic grammar of design case shape.

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>>59851127

>>59850095
Is a bit too busy for me. I want a classic, though. I'd have it over a sarb for sure

>>59848137
This posted is autistic when you could have answered his question in one sentence.

>>59851177
>one sentence
The only one sentence answer to his question would be
>That's a stupid question.

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>>59845603
>GS Quartz

That would be a phenomenally stupid idea. If you're going that route I would get a Rolex Oysterquartz which are probably going to skyrocket in value after the supply dries up.

What makes a Grand Seiko better than a normal Seiko? It looks like a normal Seiko.

>>59851458
Better movement and finishing.

>>59851558
Is that worth $2k+

>>59851593
Depends on who you ask.

>>59851286
>That would be a phenomenally stupid idea
wut

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>>59851286
>Talking shit about Grand Seiko quartz movements
What could he have possibly intended to convey with such actions?

>>59851458
>>59851593
WAY better finishing and WAY better movements. Grand Seiko microscopically inspects each and every part in a GS mechanical movement. They use a MEMS process to make hollow balance wheels to micrometer tolerances. They to crazy amounts of hand polishing and hand assembly for a so called "production" environment.

I have a 6.5" wrist. I've only ever worn watches in the 33mm size. Most luxury watches are 40mm up. Is that going to look awkward?

>>59851736
What's the usual tolerance? These aren't sophisticated devices. My laptop has way more high-tech than these things and they all have small tolerances in production too.

>>59851593
You could ask that of literally any watch that costs more than a few kilobucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6zD1j7U-0A

>>59851982
They're all overpriced. Swiss is overpriced because they're treated as jewelry. Nips are overpriced because the nearest competition they have are the chinkshit brands.

>>59851982
I do and noone ever has a good answer

>>59851949
>These aren't sophisticated devices
What is it possible that this creature intended to signify with such representations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rnZhkTINV4

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>>59845603


YES
E
S

TEAM +/-0s GROWS STRONGER

>>59852134
A 100k watch relative to a car that costs that much, which has an engine that's designed for efficiency, has a body that has been tested in a wind tunnel, safety devices designed to save your life in a myriad of situations, yes, these things are simple.

>>59852206
>100k watch
>Compared to a 100k car
Gee, I wonder how many $100k watches are production items? How much do handmade cars cost again?

Just be quiet you know nothing poster child for the Dunning–Kruger effect.

>>59852277
We're talking about mechanical complexity, not production techniques and price control by limiting scarcity.

>>59852361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=297-ovrU3UM


Gee, I wonder if the fact it took Vacheron Constantin FIVE YEARS to develop that movement, which they have to hand-make because it would be even costlier to try and produce tooling to make such a movement on a production basis, has anything to do with the cost?

Also, having 26 mechanical complicaitons on a single watch certainly doesn't involve any engineering complexity whatsover. Easy peasy.

You fucking moron.

>>59852505
Still simpler than a car. It's a luxury good, and they're all overpriced. Cars, even sports cars, have thin profit margins.

>>59852583
>Simpler than a car
Yeah, I'm sure engineering complex mechanical systems at micrometer scales designed to run forever to 99.995% accuracy is indeed a trivial task.

Again, what's the cheapest HAND BUILT sportscar, mongoloid? The best production watches don't cost more than $10,000 (Rolex and Grand Seiko), so when you brought up $100k watches you must have wanted to talk about hand made watches with significant complications (that means features, dumbfuck).

Just because you are utterly clueless as to how much labour is involved in making high-end mechanical watches doesn't mean that the enormous about of high prices labour required doesn't exist. As I said, you are just suffering from the Dunning–Kruger effect so badly that you don't even realize you are suffering from it at all.

>>59852583
The size difference alone between cars and wristwatches means you're comparing apples to oranges.

>>59845591
obviously anon was trying the watch in a store or at an expo

>>59851785
depends but that isn't unusually small, google it, lurk more, look at the urban meme's wrist

>>59848724
Are you talking about the strap? It came with it and it works well... I don't really give half a fuck about aesthetics in general, I wear Walmart jeans, a T-Shirt, a black hat and black DC's every day and girls still ask ME out, so I must be doing something right.

Recommend a (black) strap for like 20 bucks and I'll get it.

>>59845979
You must be capable of understanding that a watch which is 10 seconds slow a month (~1/3rd of a second a day) is much preferable to one that is off by 4 seconds per day and loses time completely if I don't use it every 24 hours.

However I DO NOT prefer quartz to mechanical. I love watches. The concept fascinates me. However on a day-to-day basis living and working with a watch, the 12 dollar one is more practical.

>>59852583
>Still simpler than a car
Sure, building a one-off car with every single piece custom made for it would be very complicated, even more so then a fine watch. However most production vehicles are parts bin cars. A Subaru WRX is the same floorpan, axles, crank, rods, transmission, rear diff, hubs and much much more as a fucking Subaru Legacy, and it's a "sports car" because they put a turbo on it and give it pistons that can handle boost. Some decent suspension components and BAM, sports car.

Doubt custom watches work the same way, even if you can reuse some gears and dials.

>>59852695
>Yeah, I'm sure engineering complex mechanical systems at micrometer scales designed to run forever to 99.995% accuracy is indeed a trivial task.

No but it's simpler than a car. And you're just repeating your point about hand built again. Like I said, we're talking about the object's actual complexity.

It's expensive because it's handbuilt? Can't make machinery? It uses inefficient production methods, that's all.

That's why independents like Roger Smith and Dufour can charge ridiculous prices, even though their movements have more mistakes than a lot of production watches. You pay a lot for a perceived value.

>>59853282
>Can't make machinery?

Do you have any idea what it'd cost to develop and make machines that could make the components to the same level as hand made pieces? Do you know how many of pieces a company would have to sell just to make up for the cost of the initial investment? How big do you think the market is for ultra high end watches?

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>>59853453
Not my problem.

>>59853472
The central point is that it's not practical to make super expensive robots to automate making high end watches. I'd be willing to bet you the market for high end/sports/luxury cars dwarfs the market for luxury watches.

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>>59847908
>>59848065
>>59848124
>there are men who in the current year of our lord still wear fakes

>>59845336
I would say RO, beware service costs though.

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>>59847908
>>59848065
>>59848124
>buying fakes

kys faggot

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Just got this old orient on eBay for 21 bucks, how'd I do?

>>59854338
Not bad for the price, but what a gross colored dial.

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Alright guys. I want a watch that I will wear for the rest of my life. I need a movement that can run the distance with regular servicing and which is worth servicing regularly.

So, Rolex explorer I or JLC master ultra thin moon? Both are 39mm.

>>59854441
I'd get the JLC.

>>59854441
One on the right looks way better to me

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>>59854388
I was hoping it'd look somewhat unique

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>>59854338
>he fell for the poo2loo

>>59854507
What makes you think it's fake?

>>59854441

Explorer, and that's coming from a huge JLC fan.

>>59854530
>steel case, gold indices
>uneven index thickness, obviously painted on by hand
>salmon pink dial color
>uneven 'japan made' marker

At least you didn't lose much money.

>>59854580
Shit, I see what you're saying. Hasn't shipped yet so I'll cancel the order. Thanks.

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I want one of these SQ/penis watches.
Tell me about these: what to look out for, which models are best?

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What are some good looking digital watches?

(That means no Casio)

>>59854814
Anything with a VFD or Nixie tubes.

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>>59854814

>>59854856
This man spoke the truth. Digital does not imply quartz.

>>59854814
> good looking digital watches?
Anything round with Android Wear.

>>59854856
>>59854865
Is there a watch like this that doesn't cost as much as a house?

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>>59854856
It actually doesn't look good in person. It's too bulky.

>>59850203
The Luch one-handed watch, with white dial
Otherwise you have stuff like Sinn or Bell and Ross that make watches inspired by aviation cockpit instruments.

>>59850458
The dials are pretty much the best things about their watches.
But yeah, their marketing is really offputting.

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>>59850203
You need a big wrist for this though.

>>59851785
33mm is pretty small for you by all standards.
But there is plenty of choice in luxury watches at 38mm and under.
The big ones are for people who want to be noticed. Since a watch isn't as visible as a car, you need it to be big and flashy to impress your peers. That's retarded, of course.

>>59854338
Never buy anything from india. You got ripped off.

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>one day
>"Fuck yeah, I'm a great watchmaker, I got skill, knowledge, instinct, I'm fucking dynamite! Ten years and I'll be like Daniels!"
>another day
>"I'm a terrible clumsy slob, a disgrace to the profession, they should just confiscate my cert and burn it!"
How do I break this vicious cycle, /wt/?

>>59851785
Same wrist size as you, 38mm is perfect for most things on my wrist, going up to 40 if it's a sporty watch or 41/42 if it's a diver. There are plenty of things available in those sizes.

>>59855084
Humility and perseverance.

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>>59854880
Not exactly, but you have those rotating disc ones that came along for a while when many traditional manufacturers wanted to compete with lcd quartz. They can be had for cheap, although I don't know how easy they would be to keep running today if you need parts.

>>59854889
I love the Zeitwerk, and I agree. They're a novelty and can't be worn every day.

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MDV 106 is the BEST diver money can buy

>>59854441

See >>59848311
>>59847908

>>59855098
What ticks me the fuck off is I can service and restore memenicals and quality Jap quartz properly, but it's mostly the FUCKING DOGSHIT, mall trash, and fashion watches if where I fuck up.

Every time a fake is posted it's easily identified as a fake

Have the Mako and Ray become meme enough to where Strapcode now stock aftermarket bracelets with end links?

http://www.strapcode.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=orient&osCsid=u3ksqe41udmfnuje5765bf2ku2&x=0&y=0

I mean, the bracelets aren't bad to begin with right?

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>>59854765

Two very different watches. The penis quartz is a JDM higher end model that will go for $100+

The SQ is a domestic model you will find in charity shops for $15 like mine.

>>59855258
To an autist like you maybe, but even most watch fans wouldn't be able to tell.

>>59855146
Best value maybe

>>59854441
One brand is targeted at the noveau riche in mid life crisis complete with a too young new "wife" in too short skirts.

JLC on the other hand is for the refined gentleman with no need to display his immense wealth and intellectual accomplishment.

Tricky choice?

>>59855265
They're decent for sure, but not amazing. Some people don't like the hollow end links or the finishing.
They have achieved meme status for sure though.

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>>59854814
Junghans

>>59855615
>too short skirts
There's no such thing.

>>59855629
I did consider grabbing one for a buddy as a birthday gift, but shit came up.
Guess I'll have to wait and see if I can't get my hands on one and see it all myself.

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>>59850203

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>>59854814
Seiko SBPG001

What's the best current production 34-36mm watches?

What's a good alternative to Casio if you want a decent, low profile rugged digital outdoor watch? Casio either has features I don't need on their low profile watches like world time or they're too bulky like the G Shocks.

>Today is the anniversary of Yuri Gagarin's first flight in space
>No Poljot man in fucking space reissue

Why does no one milk space like Omega does?

>>59856429

Aliexpress

>>59856431
Meranom is selling SEs for 30% off

>>59856476
Any chronographs?

>>59856476
Isn't $100 still too expensive for an Amphibia?

Meranom has a giant range but they always seemed overpriced.

>>59856511
Vostok doesn't make chronographs.

>>59856521
It's a GMT with better lume, bracelet, crown and bezel, so I'd say it's worth it. $130 is a bit too much in my eyes.

>>59856536
Wait, is ot even a GMT or just a slaved 24h hand? I don't know. Maybe it isn't worth it.

>>59847419
IV is normally not used to keep the dial balanced - with "IIII", four spots are composed strictly of "I", four sports contain "V" and four sports contain "X".

On the Club Campus they use IV to keep some symmetry in the california dial. I personally really like that they're playing around with how numerals are supposed to be, but it's not for everyone I guess.

>>59856314
Interesting. How is that brand?

>>59856431
Because

A. The Poljot was a copy by an unrelated company to begin with
B. Poljot doesn't exist anymore
C. The original wasn't even worn on the first flight into space anyway, it was worn on later missions

Why whine about something you clearly know nothing about to look smart on a bhutanese cave painting forum?

>>59856417
Rolex. Nomos if you like Bauhaus (DUW movements only though). Do any other quality production makers even make any watches at those sizes anymore?

There are plenty of choices in some of the haute horlogerie brands, but those aren't production watches.

>>59856314
Is this available in less than 42mm?

>>59856731
There's a 38 version.

>>59856760
Excellent but do you have a link? I've been looking for a while now. Maybe I can't read but the official Strella website seems to carry only 42mm.

Arch exposing the mountain jew conspiracy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiFRcUAtODc
>>59856769
Regular 38 version:
https://www.poljot24.de/chronographen/strela-chronograph.html
Limited 38 version with different dial:
https://www.poljot24.de/chronographen/chronograph-strela.html

>>59856793
Thanks a lot

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What kind of nato strap would go with this watch? What colours or patterns should I get? Should I get black PVD or gold plated or polished or brushed buckles?

>>59856793
>>59856798
The gold is the original, not the silver incidentally.

>>59854441
As the pontiff says

JLC is patek quality at Rolex prices

>>59856923
>(((patek quality)))
ftfy

NEW NEW >>59857001