/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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Should I buy an X1?

is there anyway to buy t420 new or do i have to buy used/referbished

>>59829479
>6 year old laptop
>new

>>59829005
If you mean the X1 Carbon, then maybe. Be aware that they have lower quality than the T, X2** and P series
If you mean the original X1 then no, ew.

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>Thinkpads are indestructible, bro

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Can't beleive my favourite laptop let me down

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This is my life now

>>59829608
>>59829618
>>59829626
What the fuck did you do?

>>59829634
I opened it the exact same way I've always opened it for the last 5 years, it felt the exact same as always until I heard the crack

>>59829654
>W500
>chinkpad
>quality

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L460 and 13 is the only affordable ThinkPads I've found so far. How are they compared to the T4 models like the T470 or T460? Is the keyboard any different.

Reminder, if you buy any thinkpad made after the **20 series,
you get a lifetime guarantee of GETTING FUCKED IN THE MOUTH.
Any thinkpad made after the **20 series has no rollcage,
and will GET DESTROYED is just TWO FUCKING MONTHS, guaranteed!
FUCKING LENOVO SHILL, GET OFF MY FUCKING /tpg/, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
GO BACK TO THE FUCKING RICE FIELDS YOU SHIT EATING GOOK

IBM FOR LIFE! USA! USA! USA!

>>59829005
If you do, your in for A WHOLE BARREL OF SHIT
You'll shit out your mouth its so bad.

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>>59829479
refurbished is just as good

the $300 mark is what you're looking for


the video card is the most important part for the laptop to not feel like a piece of shit.

you want the i5 2520m and the nvidia quadro 4200m

also buy the t430 dock and not the t420 dock as it adds usb3.0 and dual DVI headers, this fucker can run a maximum of 4 monitors (3 external plus internal), 3 are ideal.

But just buy refurb, i bought mine 2 years ago and only needed to replace the keyboard because thats the one part the fuckers didnt replace.

pic related for shits and giggles (i run my ps4 on one of the monitors when i'm bored)

>>59829608
holy shit, how did that happen?
I've dropped my t420 onto industrial carpet and it's still fine

>>59829689
how bad is the W530?

I was given one from my old employer, and want to upgrade from my t420.

is it really /that/ bad?
is there seriously no more rollcage?

besides the keyboard feels as sturdy as my t420

>>59829696
see
>>59829654

A buddy thinks the K lock mechanism probably failed

>>59829688
for starters they're not thinkpads, but slightly upgraded ideapads

>>59829716
>is there seriously no more rollcage?
yeah 100% chink plastic build now faggot :^))))

buy apple if you want a well built machine

>>59829741

I don't want that. I already have an IdeaPad U430p and while I'm switching it out because of the glossy TN panel, I also dislike the keyboard. Key travel isn't deep enough, so I dislike typing on it.

>>59829777
Don't listen to that anon, the L/13 are basically cost cut T series but nowhere near as bad as Ideapads.

>>59829608
>>59829618
No one said their indestructible, nothing is in life.
However, **20 series thinkpads and earlier are more
durable than any other laptop without becoming as
heavy as a desktop replacement.
As long as you don't do stupid shit like throw your thinkpad under a bus,
your thinkpad will remain mostly intact and functional.

Just look at these durability tests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdh-LCnLpfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6K6Cxi2DVY
And this is a thinkpad model without a rollcage.

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>>59829005
>>59829688
>>59829716
REMINDER
Thinkpad past the **20 series are just as bad as any other cheap acer chinkshit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFvk-FzTxQ

>>59829832
fuckin wow

>>59829777

The only affordable T4XX model I can find in my country is the T460, but the cheapest one has 4 GB RAM and no SSD.

I've never owned a ThinkPad before, so I don't know if I can upgrade to an SSD/8 GB RAM, if it's worth it in terms of performance and how much it will cost compared to buying a more pricy model of the T460 that has these specs and a different CPU (i7 6600U)

Using a t410 I got refurbished, I've put an SSD in it and maxed out the memory, and got one of those ultrabay hard drive adapters on the way.

Anything further I can do to it?

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>>59829788
Go back to the rice fields lenovo shill.
0.85 yuan has been deposited into your account

>>59829908
Maybe like $100, just find used parts on Craigslist

>>59829696
i like your setup bra...

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>>59829849
Watch these too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdh-LCnLpfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6K6Cxi2DVY

>>59829988
Given the choice between a t420 and l470 I'd take the L470

>>59830041
No you don't

>>59830041
But why if the L470 will break down in a couple of months if your not extremely careful?

Just look at this fucking durability:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdh-LCnLpfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6K6Cxi2DVY

This is the x240 vs the x220:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFvk-FzTxQ

>>59829748
>>59829832
All W530 have a rollcage.

>>59830111
Still not as durable as the W520.

I need new spacers for my x220t, is there someplace on amazon that sells them?
I can find them easily on ebay

>>59830080
You're trying to paint the older machines as being durable as a Toughbook, they're not.

I'd rather take native USB 3.0 + FHD IPS + hardware H265/VP9.

>will break down in a couple of months
Thank god I don't treat my machines like a hamfisted retard and there's NBD onsite warranty standard in EMEA if case anything goes wrong.

By the way, X240 doesn't have liquid drain holes.

What's the best screen for the x series?

>>59830080
Not him.

But L460 was pretty tough so I'm sure L470 will be too.
Has a little more flex than a T series, but other than that if feels pretty much identical.

I use a T460p myself, but I can highly recommend L series if you're on a tighter budget.

>>59830139

Its the same thing internally you dumb fuck. There is no difference between the X220 and X230 either. Just specs and keyboard.

>>59829688
I have a T460p and a colleague has an L460, here is my opinion:

They look and feel very similar.
Keyboards are identical.

The T460p has a very stiff body, but a flexing screen (but still feels like it can take a hit).
The L460 has a little flex in the body but nowhere as much as cheap laptops, the screen is identical as far as I can tell.
Both can be hold by one corner without sagging.
I think both would easily survive a drop from a table on a wood or carpet floor, but I haven't tested.

The L460 has a VGA port, which IMO is a plus (I have to carry an adapter).
The QHD screen on the T460p is a little brighter than the FHD on the L460, but both screens are very nice to look at.

Like I said before I can recommend the L460 if that's the price bracket you're in. - ignore the haters.

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>>59830164
>>59830205
>>59830246
You guys don't understand, by buying new thinkpads,
you are supporting lenovo's decision of producing
overpriced mac clones instead of true business laptops.
The durability is the biggest plus about thinkpads because
it means your investment in your laptop will outlive you.

>>59830164
>I'd rather take native USB 3.0 + FHD IPS + hardware H265/VP9.
I'd rather have my machine work at all times without breaking down.
I'd also rather have an ultrabay, expresscard slot, and a rollcage.

>Thank god I don't treat my machines like a hamfisted retard and there's NBD onsite warranty standard in EMEA if case anything goes wrong.
Warranties can always be denied to you.
Also warranties wont last for long, thinkpads decades ago in the worst conditions still work.
About handling machines improperly, shit happens,.
Your laptop will eventually hit the floor for get water spilled on it even if your super careful,
by having a laptop as durable as a **20 series or below means you have one less thing to worry about.

>>59830205
>But L460 was pretty tough
Source? Here's mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFvk-FzTxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdh-LCnLpfc

>I use a T460p myself, but I can highly recommend L series if you're on a tighter budget.
Why not a **20 or **10 series when its 300 dollars cheaper and isn't any noticably slower?
Also a **20 or **10 series is much better if you're on a budget because your investment will last
because of legendary thinkpad durability.

>>59830246
Whitelists are a huge setback to the x230 vs the x220

REMINDER THAT REAL THINKPAD USERS WILL NOT LISTEN TO YOU GOOKS LENOVO SHILLS
Remember OLD THREADS (6-12 months ago) HAD NO NEW THINKPADS
YOU SHILLS MUST STOP

Just ordered my X230 which docking station should I buy ?
Lenovo 4336
Lenovo 4337
Lenovo 4338

>>59830521
>irrational hatred of new hardware
>because "gooks"

Just fucking kill yourself and stop sitting up every thread

>>59830521
>overpriced mac clones

Oh please.
They are pretty much the exact opposite design wise.

Also Thinkpads are much cheaper than Macs so how can they be "overpriced clones"?

>Why not a **20 or **10 series when its 300 dollars cheaper and isn't any noticably slower?

I also have a T420.

It is a LOT slower and is only dual core.
Also the screen is utter garbage.

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>>59830584
>irrational hatred of new hardware
Please see the videos at >>59830080
I hate to new hardware because it is
objectively worse in durability and functionality,
my hate is not irrational.
>because "gooks"
Lenovo is seriously hiring gooks to shill for their new laptops
just look at old archived threads(less than a year ago): https://boards.4tan.org/g/thread/57417929/
there are almost no new thinkpads, now tons of people advocating for new thinkpads
fucking retards going, WOW ITS NEW, no shit, but its not going to last like any other cheap Chinese laptop.

but "gooks" is not the reason I hate the new thinkpads,
I like the laptops from the T60 to T420, they where all made by gooks

>>59830606
>I also have a T420. It is a LOT slower and is only dual core.
This is the L470 CPU vs the T420 CPU:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2879&cmp[]=812
They are almost the exact same performance.
Please stop lying, even with an SSD the T420 will be
$500 dollars cheaper and will be just as fast as a L470.
Also your investment in a T420 will last for a lifetime.

>>59830606
>It is a LOT slower and is only dual core.

Then don't buy the cheapest one available? Maybe spring for the i5 or i7 model?

>>59830952
Both old and new T4** series thinkpads come with dual cores.

Also this is the L470 CPU vs the T420 CPU:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2879&cmp[]=812
They both have nearly the exact same performance,
and the T420 actually gets BETTER single thread performance.

>>59830952
the two competing base i5s:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7200U-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2520M/m153577vsm29

ehhhh i don't know if ~30% (15% single core) improvement is really worth $930 for the L470 when we're practically tripping over the glut of $150 T420s on ebay

>>59831114
The performance benefit is absolutely not noticeable for the average user as most programs don't exceed the capabilities of the T420 CPU, especially on Linux.

>>59831114
lol i just went down the parts picker for the L470 after getting the i5-7200u price. that's $930 before any other upgrades, including:
>base 4gb ram. they want another $100 for 8gb. at least you can go find your own cheaper stuff
>14" 1366x768 TN WITH NO OTHER PANEL OPTIONS AVAILABLE. T420 had 1600x900 at least
>500gb spinning platters in 2017

nine hundred and thirty real american human dollars

I'm going to buy a thinkpad too and I'm thinking of getting T430, is it good? Are there any problems with it?

Posting about my 380ED in another thread, thought you guys might be interested in some of these pics
http://imgur.com/a/pguQj
in actual decent quality for once, compared to my shitty phone camera, borrowed my sisters nikon

>>59831107
>i3 vs i5

ok

>>59831306
New thinkpads are no good (past the **20 series):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFvk-FzTxQ

>>59831383
They are both the CPUs in the base models.
Also the i3 L470 is $500 dollars more expensive than a T420 with upgrades.

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>>59831305
EPP discount exists.

>>59831306
At 1600*900, SSD (+HDD in a caddy), 8GB+ it's solid.

>>59831399
30 series uses the same chassis as the 20 series idiot

>>59831496
Still, a T420 with the exact same performance, with all upgrades possible, will cost $300 less.

>>59831551
There is some merit to buying a new machine, through I'd personally choose a T470 or X1C

>>59831549
**30 series have whitelists in the BIOS which require a SPI flasher to remove. Also the performance is not that much better.

>>59829832
Id say acer chinkshit is better than newer thinkpads
Acer knows theyre chinkshit, they dont try and deny it, they make cheap laptops, they work but theyre not fancy and probably wont last too long

Lenovo keeps thinking theyre IBM, king of the technology jungle, they produce "only the best professional hardware" when really they took their business line and made it really expensive chinkshit

> inb4 someone starts into an autistic shriek fest because something about 16:9 is a chink addition that makes new things bad because reasonings

>>59831589
What merit is their to supporting a company that gives the middle finger to people who used to look up to them for making great machines?

>>59831592
>**30 series have whitelists in the BIOS which require a SPI flasher to remove

Doesn't matter, jew the battery recall for a new battery and do the pcie tape trick if you want AC wifi. USB 3 and better GPU are good reasons for 30 series.

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>>59831595
>Id say acer chinkshit is better than newer thinkpads

>>59831620
>jew the battery recall for a new battery
Only works for some T430, and they only give you one battery.
>USB 3
Can be fixed with an expresscard with USB 3
>GPU
Thinkpads are for work, not gayming and vidya editing, you faggot.

>>59831634
how is that jewing
its true

two generally cheap laptops
an old Acer Aspire E5-575G and a Thinkpad E570
Acer specs
>i5 7200U
>8gb of Ram
>1tb hdd
>GTX 940m
>15.6" 1920x1080p screen
528$

Thinkpad specs
>i3 7100U
>4gb of ram
>500gb hdd
>integrated graphics
>1366x768 screen
599$

And yes, with acer you lose build quality, but compared to an E series thinkpad you didnt lose much. And in return you gain significantly better specs for less money.
Its fucking nuts.

>>59831740
>acer you lose build quality

there's literally no point buying an acer, it's disposable junk

>>59831740
and heres the acer
https://jet.com/product/detail/ffbb8bea52994300b0136a59bd9ca333
thinkpad E570 is on the lenovo website

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Why hasn't any company stepped up to the fill the niche left void by Lenovo turning the Thinkpad line into utter shit?

>Dell Precision line is just as shitty as modern Thinkpads
>XPS is ultrabook trash
>nothing from HP, Acer, ASUS, etc. even comes close
>small, boutique brands decided to all fight over the gamer market instead of the business market

The demand is obviously there. We should start a company.

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>>59831660
>Only works for some T430, and they only give you one battery.
>hit up ebay for used battery listings
>find serial that can be claimed
>change a few digits by experimenting
>get free battery

>Can be fixed with an expresscard with USB 3
with some unstable chink usb expresscard, i'd rather take native usb 3

>Thinkpads are for work, not gayming and vidya editing, you faggot.
pic related faggot

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>>59831793
>Dell Precision line is just as shitty as modern Thinkpads

Don't talk to me or my M4800 again.

>>59831813

*current Dell Precision line

>>59831592
>require a SPI flasher to remove
>implying a flasher is expensive

>>59828740
Hey /tpg/. What's the best thinkpad / laptop I can get for running GNU/Linux and programming?

Presently on a MacBook air 2013 that I had gotten as a gift.

Budget is around $400 USD.

Was thinking t420 +upgrades but could appreciate a slightly slimmer machine because school.

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>>59831842
If you want slightly slimmer look into a T420s then
much slimmer, but at the expense of poorer cooling
if you want to get a t420s i suggest not dropping in a more powerful processor

>mfw someone is selling a G40 thinkpad in my country almost new
>is asking 184 MAGA dollars for it
How much that computer does cost actually?

>>59831842
www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T440s-Laptop-intel-Core-i7-2-10GHZ-12GB-256GB-SSD-Windows-8-Pro-/272624566361

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Genuine-Lenovo-THINKPAD-T450-T450S-T540P-Touchpad-Trackpad-Three-Buttons-Key-/152488677361

The contrarian choice

>day after I get a t420 from ebay
>f4 key scissor thing snapped
>didn't buy it from a certified reseller
How fucked am I? Should I spend the 40 dollars and replace the keyboard?

>>59831883
Depends on condition, my G40 was around 60$ because it was near fucking mint with a 2.8ghz pentium 4 and a 3.2ghz one in the box with it, along with the max of 1gb of ram, and a 120gb hdd

ive seen cheaper ones with the celerons, under 1gb of ram, the original HDD's go for around 30-40$ usually

do not pay over 100$ for it even if its mint as fuck
its a cool laptop, but not useful like other XP era ones like a T42, which is showing its age too
its more of a collectors thinkpad if anything, since it was one of the first "mobile workstations"

>>59831919
>new hygienic keyboard for 40 bucks

why is this even a choice

I bought a refurbished T410s and it overheats when I enable the Nvidia GPU.

Even when it's idle it gets pretty hot but as soon as I start anything that requires some graphical power, even a youtube video, it shuts down within a minute.

Can I fix this? Maybe change the paste?

>>59831880
I have a t420s and can confirm that it is fairly easy to carry around, the only thing I hate about it is that battery life is ~2h without ultrabay battery and the poor display which isn't really a huge problem unless used in direct sunlight.

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>>59831933
no one asked u asshole.

>>59831922
Thanks lad.
I really want a old thinkpad mostly for the price. I don't plan to do much with it, only use for text editing, you know, making a sort of "typewriter" on it.
Perhaps I will ending buying a T61. I heard that them also have a nice 1600x1200 display too.

>>59831933
>battery life is ~2h without ultrabay battery
>thinkcucks will defend this

>>59832017
https://deskthority.net/photos-f62/thinkpad-keyboards-and-switches-t15457.html

Get a model with GOAT buckling rubber domes

>>59832024
Whats the problem with my statement?

I was supposed to get 2 x220 9 cells, but one of then turned out to be a 9cell T420 battery from some fucker. They're both real so it turned out to be a great deal.

Wtf do I do with it.

>>59832017
If youre looking for old and cheap that runs microsoft officer or whatever, look into the T40/41/42/43 machines
Theyre that same era of old windows xp stuff but much more capable even for some light web browsing today
Got my T42 for around 20$, dropped in a 2ghz pentium M and 2gb of ram, works just fine for browsing 4chan
Or maybe something like an x41 tablet, those are cool and also pretty cheap, really small laptops with a wacom screen on them

>>59832159
>x41 tablet
>slow as fuck 1.8" HDD

No fucking way

>>59832159
I'm not even thinking in running office on it. I was thinking on running linux in framebuffer or simply X with a terminal emulator only. Nothing else.
Thanks. Will look some T4x thinkpads.

>>59832176
>not putting an SSD in it
yeah thats definitely a downside, the 4200rpm hdd is garbage
for like, regular use its not that bad, you dont notice it much, but startup takes like 2 minutes and its annoying
with the SSD in it its much faster, of course its still pata speeds but not 4200rpm aids

>>59830521

>W530 from 2013
>a new ThinkPad

Neck yourself you retarded cunt.

To this guy >>59811678, just log out and back in.

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>>59831842
>>59831880
x220 are slim enough and really light with the smaller battery that gives you almost 4 hours with regular use.

What HP bussines laptops use 4:3 aspect ratio?

>>59832390

How much do one of those 4 cells run for? 4 hours would be enough for my lectures.

>>59832231
Enraged people are usually irrational

>>59831836
It's still a tedious process, also you need a monitor to hook up your flasher/RPi to set it up.

>>59832550
round 4, maybe a bit less. I mostly use a 9 cell the bigger one when I'm out all day but if I know I'm coming back home and won't be using it all morning I just take the 4 cell out with me.

Whatever option is still lighter and smaller than the T420 with the slice battery.

>>59832390
The problem with everything in the xx20 series is the PWM. Fucking rapes my eyes and it's a fairly common complaint on the internet. I have a W520 which I love but on anything other than 100% brightness it begins giving me eyestrain. Had this issue with my X230 as well, only it was more pronounced since it was usually away from my desk and tends to have the brightness turned down. I had to replace it with an HP Elitebook which is shit in many other ways even if the screen is tolerable. Whoever thought a 220 Hz flicker was acceptable is fucking idiotic.

With new Lenovo T/X/P machines, basically everything but the X1 Carbon is like playing a game of PWM roulette. For example, some T560 units will have it, others will not. I have confirmed this by testing otherwise identical computers at work. It really makes me sad, because for years you haven't really been able to buy a no-compromises business machine.

>>59830606
>Also Thinkpads are much cheaper than Macs so how can they be "overpriced clones"?
New thinkpads are in similar price range, but offer less things, like fixed resolution screens, (meanwhile macs aims for a fixed dpi) less juicy battery (granted, that trend ended with Macbook Pro 2016) less care with details and other etc. The only things that chinkpads are still indisputed are keyboards (but, for example, the macbook pro 2016, outside his low as fuck travel, has a nice tactile feedback in his keyboard)
The only advantage aparte of that is that used thinkpads depreciate fast.

If they're both the same price, t420/30 vs t440? Which one?

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>>59832714
>having shitty genetics

>>59832760
T440 without backlight keyboard.
Do the trackpad mod.
Put a 1080p AUO IPS panel.
Be happy.

>>59832231
By new thinkpad I mean a thinkpad that does not retain the original IBM thinkpad design with a 7 row keyboard.
>>59832626
Hey! Be nice.

>>59832714
I have two x220, one with the original IPS screen, that has some barely noticeable ghosting, at least for what I use it. The other one has a brand new screen because it was a brand new laptop but had a fucking disgusting TN panel and I just got the newest IPS replacement. No ghosting and it's brighter at 100%. I don't feel eyestrain with either. I'm not running anything special on them, just Arch and sometimes a VM with Win7.

>astroturfing general

Should I get a X220 or build a X201f frankenpad.

>>59832894
X240 with trackpad mod, no backlight keyboard and 1080p AUO screen.

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>>59832952
1.82 yuan has been deposited into your Lenovo(TM) shilling account.

>>59832138
>so it turned out to be a great deal.
If you dont own a t420 how is that a great deal?

>>59833017
But you don't have any problems shilling for HOPE and 51nb botnet, right?

>>59831927
Yes, change the paste, you can even disable the nvidia gpu.

>>59833048
But I'm not shilling for 51nb?
Their X62 had major problems.
I don't even know what HOPE is.

And speaking about botnets, X240 can't install coreboot.

>>59833083
>using coreboot

>>59833088
>not having under 10 second boot times

>>59833120
>what's a ssd?

>>59833139
Still not fast enough, you can achieve 3 seconds boot time with coreboot on some machines.

>>59832784
Are you sure you're talking about the same thing as him? PWM is different from ghosting

i've got a T60 from 2007
still runs pretty well

>>59831813
I used to have a M4800, I have to say my P50 is infintely better than my Dell was.

Upgrades for an X200? Or should I just jump to an X220?

>>59833698
>no whitelists on the Dell
>CPU socketed

>P50
>better keyboard/trackpoint
>NVMe

>>59833801
get a x220

Just bought an x220. should I have gotten an x230 instead and swapped out the keyboard?

>>59832776

Don't be a fucking retard. How is buying a chiclet xx30 ThinkPad 'supporting' Lenovo's decision? Are you implying Lenovo can track sales after the original new purchase? Shut up you clueless bastard. The chiclet keyboards are much better for typing feel and they can be illuminated (there's the ThinkLight which I do like, but sometimes I just want a backlight). The tradeoff is a worse layout. Whether its worth it or not depends on you. Would I like the exact layout of the old but in a chiclet style? Fucking yes. Besides, xx20 keyboards can be put in xx30 machines with little effort.

>>59833189

>caring about boot times when no matter what you do, anything with an SSD is doing it in around 10 seconds

How many times do you cold boot every day that you can't afford to wait 10 seconds for a machine to boot? Heard of sleep mode, retard?

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>>59834259
>buying a chiclet xx30

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do I need a x220/x230 tablet or is the normal version ok?

I feel like the touchscreen plus the ability to rotate the screen could be very useful.

Do they use the same ips display as the non tablet version?

What happens if the screen breaks, will I into any additional problem due to it being a touchscreen/tablet?

also are there any other differences between the t and non t versions?

pls respond, I need a portable laptop ASAP.

>>59834598
>resisting to the future

>>59834674
Normal version. The Tablet version does indeed come with an IPS screen. But also creaks and cracks like the end of world.

how do you win auctions for thinkpads reeeeee!!!!!!

>>59834881
If you actually want to win, then figure out how much it's actually worth to you and bid that much in about the last 20 seconds or so. Don't be cheap about it, just go for a little under how much it would cost to buy one outright. Most people will be bidding like that, just trying to save a little without dicking around to much, so if you're being stingy then you could be be in for a long wait until you're not competing with anyone like that. Not that it's such a bad idea to bid low if you just want one to fuck around on though.

>>59833219
yeah, he is talking about PWM and all brightness related issues and I also expanded on the whole IPS ghosting. People complain about those two things when using old thinkpad IPS screens. I only noticed ghosting on the old IPS model and never suffered eyestrain on either from shit PWM.

Of course TN panels are ungodly and the worst piece of shit I've ever used. Killed my eyes and could not go for over a week before ordering a replacement and learning how to take apart the screen and change it. Something I must say is stupid easy to do reading instructions and I recommend to everyone that has a TN panel on any Thinkpad.

>>59834690
it's easier to do a lot of shit on the xx20 series and the xx30 doesn't have any significant improvement and they have the god awful keyboard. If you need something better for whatever reason you should be checking xx50 series and be done with it.

>>59834162
nah. imo, the whole keyboard swap thing is putting too much extra money & time into a laptop that's still a 5 year old beater at the end of the day. do you really need usb 3 and a faster igpu (which still runs 3d games like shit)? sure, nice to have if you can find a clean x230 cheaper than an x220 on ebay that day you decided to click buy now. x220 still gonna run your shit fine

i think sometimes we tpg dorks get too sucked in and start throwing an overly large amount of effort into tricking out what's supposed to be just a used laptop that runs well for not a lot of money

>>59835376
The keyboard on the *30s feels better typing on it, and doesn't flex like hell, besides the layout it's better than the keyboard on the *20s.
The battery whitelist can be solved with a bios mod.
The only downside is removing the WiFi whitelist because it takes too long but in time, there should be public bios mods.

>>59835523
>i think sometimes we tpg dorks get too sucked in and start throwing an overly large amount of effort into tricking out what's supposed to be just a used laptop that runs well for not a lot of money

Not really, for me, it's the ability to upgrade, change, replace and even mod parts on it. Thinkspads being cheap is just another plus but not the reason I use them.

Also, based chinks working on a wqhd mod for the t420/430

>>59835541

link me a good x220 bios pls

what's the best wireless card for the t440p?

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Picked up an x230. Current keyboard has this matte coating that's wearing out like crazy, I can scratch the damn stuff off of it. Are the listed keyboards good to go for me? I'm looking for something that gets shiny overtime from wear instead of a coating that just gets rubbed/scratched off.

Also planning on picking up an IPS screen for this, FRU 04W3919.

Short of doing muh classic keyboard swap, is there anything else worthwhile to upgrade/change while I'm planning on doing so?

>>59831813
use a desktop... lol

>>59835541
>The keyboard on the *30s feels better typing on it
calm down Chang

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Thinking about getting a 420.

I really need a good wifi card on a laptop though, I'm wondering what ability I'll have to upgrade a 420's wifi chip?

>>59831793
panasonic

Anyone know how to fix chink thinkpad batteries overly-optimistic battery life estimates? mine cuts out still claiming it has 30-45 mins left, tried updating the firmware but the utility says it doesnt need one.

if i buy a wifi card that was pulled from a nonlenovo laptop (but one that is offered in the thinkpad line) will it be whitelisted when i plug it into my thinkpad? trying to find a wireless card that will support 5ghz wifi for my t440p

>>59836492

buy a genuine battery and use a real operating system

>>59836540
thats an awfully expensive and time consuming solution

>>59836497
you'll either have to get one thats a Lenovo FRU

>>59836549

>gib magic .exe plz

have fun with your shit OS and neet lifestyle then

>>59829832
>can survive a coffe spill
show me another ordinary laptop that can do the same
>dont even try to mention toughbook

>>59831880
yup, its a problem with t420s. Just fixed mine and gave it to my sister since the tn panel is utter shit and I do photoediting.
>>59831933
>and this

I wonder is there a way I can mod my t420s to have a better cooler. I'd do anything to accomplish it. Since almost all cpu fan has the same connection, would it matter if the one in t420s uses a 5v 0.45a and I replace it with one that is 5v 0.5a?
the ultimate solution would be cut out the section, extend the height and fit in a taller fan.

>>59836492
Do a battery reset using the Power Manager. That worked for me. Get a genuine battery as well, if you get an LG battery, they'll last for a long time. Both the the LG ones I had gave actual stats. I had a Sanyo cell in between and that little shit used to shut down at 30% or somewhere near, no amount of battery resets fixes that.

>>59836391
The Intel Centrino that the T420 comes with should be good enough for most users. If you want to upgrade, you'll have to flash the BIOS to remove the whitelist.

Currently getting 5 hrs off a knock-off 6-cell battery in my X230 on Windows 10. How much would I get with a genuine 9-cell?

>>59835541
>The keyboard on the *30s feels better typing on it
no it doesn't, stop spreading this horse shit

>>59836969
6 hours

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Selling my MBA for a X240

>>59836180
>>59836988
it does, even you god louis rossmann accepted it.

>>59836969
>Currently getting 5 hrs off a knock-off 6-cell battery
sounds better than even original batteries desu

>>59836969
Did you turn off radios and put it to battery saver? I'm using the T420 and the only way I can even get close to 4 hours is to turn off radios through the hardware switch and put it on battery saver.

>>59828740
What's the best laptop for less than $700 guys?
i just want 1tb and windows 7 but that's it i just browse 4chan and watch stuff but i'd like to be able to play some games like 2011 and older if possible

>>59837202
Used W520 for ~$400, upgrade as you see fit with the rest of your budget.

>>59837202
egpu setup with a low power rx 460

>>59834598

>i hate the xx30 series because I can't use knockoff chink parts to go with my jizz encased $100 machine!!!!!!!!!!111111

Enjoy your housefire batteries. I'm sure they're worth the $30 saving. Never seen anyone complain this much and meme so hard over the xx30s. You're literally an autist.

>>59836988

>spreading this

They've been around since 2013, its common fucking knowledge you retarded wanker. Everyone's at least tried them unless you're a poorfag who's only ever used T60s or something. Jesus Christ, you people are such cancer, we buy old ThinkPads for the build quality, software support and upgradability/repairability, you buy them solely because they're cheap.

Fuck off.

>>59837620
>>59837639
I disagree.

>>59837268
Can you buy those new anywhere?

>>59837656
Nice opinion!

>>59837698
Thank you.

>>59837687
Why would you want a new one, just go on eBay.
Also check the Dell e6440

>>59837722
Too bad it's a fact the new chiclet keyboard is better despite the layout.

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>>59837620
>Enjoy your housefire batteries. I'm sure they're worth the $30 saving. Never seen anyone complain this much and meme so hard over the xx30s. You're literally an autist.
>>59837639
>They've been around since 2013, its common fucking knowledge you retarded wanker. Everyone's at least tried them unless you're a poorfag who's only ever used T60s or something. Jesus Christ, you people are such cancer, we buy old ThinkPads for the build quality, software support and upgradability/repairability, you buy them solely because they're cheap.
>Fuck off.

>>59837268
how's this one look? how much would it be to uprgade to 1tb? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-laptop-W520-Core-i7-3-5Ghz-QUAD-CORE-16GB-ram-HD-LED-NVIDIA/142184489580?_trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150817211623%26meid%3Da170154490e142fdbb39291ec1f23cd8%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26

>>59837782
you should really find one with a FHD panel

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>>59837802
>FHD panel
i don't even know what that is
please help me
i wish i wasn't to tech illiterate to buy a damned laptop

>>59837809
FHD = Full HD = More pixels on your screen
Unless you want eye cancer, get a decent panel.

>>59837809

wtf dude Full HD AKA 1080p.
wtf do you even want your laptop for?

the w520 is pretty big, thicc and heavy, aka a workstation laptop aka a *desktop replacement*.

>>59837832
>>59837836
okay i get it now i think how does this one look?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-W520-Laptop-Quad-Core-i7-2-40-GHZ-8GB-320GB-Windows-7-Pro-64-/391749963991?hash=item5b361e10d7:g:Eo8AAOSwTM5Y6jOi

>>59837903
yes, and a 1tb ssd off amazon and you're set

>>59837912
thanks anon but i searched that up on amazon and everything was $300+
how does this look?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1TB-Hard-Drive-for-Lenovo-IBM-ThinkPad-W500-W510-W520-W700-W700ds-W701-W701ds-/251194788869?hash=item3a7c604c05:g:ricAAMXQS6pRu4ha

>>59837951
no
if you're gonna go mechanical, look for any laptop drive with 7200 RPM and 32MB Cache

>>59837976
alright how's this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-1TB-Internal-7200RPM-3-5-ST1000DM003-Hard-drive-SATA-/252844235076?hash=item3adeb0d944:m:mp27XG5-mDuxThGMMjThMKg
it will fit the thinkpad right? sorry for all the questions hopefully this will be it

>>59838033
nigga that's not for laptops

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HGST-Travelstar-7K1000-7200RPM-32MB-2-5-Internal-Hard-Drive-1TB-Laptop-Notebook-/222438153916

>>59838070
>nigga that's not for laptops
well i did say i was retarded
anyways thanks i'll get that thinkpad and that hardrive i should be able to run dragons dogma and pre 2012 games decently right?

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>>59838135
I don't know what dragons dogma is

>>59838170
2.40 ghz can do all of that? just want to make sure i'm getting this all right before i buy this thanks for all of the help so far
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-W520-Laptop-Quad-Core-i7-2-40-GHZ-8GB-320GB-Windows-7-Pro-64-/391749963991?hash=item5b361e10d7:g:Eo8AAOSwTM5Y6jOi

>>59837772

Cute pic, how many weeks in GIMP did it take? Someone outbid you on a T430? It's ok, there's more around.

>>59838203
yes

>>59838203
pls post what do you want your laptop to do. what tasks.
for gayman I don't think it's going to cut it.depends on the gaymes tho.

>>59838241
okay thanks
>>59838194
i would but
>windows 10
>$100 more
thanks though

>>59838255
just use microsoft toolkit to activate windows

>>59838214
>Cute pic, how many weeks in GIMP did it take
I didn't make it, it's just a crop from the other pic. I never used Gimp, and nobody outbit me, you should seek professional help.

>>59834282
Sleep mode waste quite alot of power compared to hibernation.

But this isn't the point, the point is your accusing me of shilling for a botnet when most **20 series
and below laptops have coreboot support which disables most proprietary firmware in the thinkpad,
which might be spying on you. While the **40 series and above have no coreboot support and have
had superfish in the past, where it has been proved lenovo has spyed on its customers though the BIOS.
Who would buy from such a despicable company?

Now please go back to >>/r/eddit or >>/l/enovo , or whatever shilling center you came from.

wait so do the modern thinkpads have integrated irollcage or what?

>sellers not providing full info about specs
>sellers asking way too much (like 300€ for a T410)
>other buyers driving up the prices like crazy DAYS before the auction ends
fuck ebay

>>59838765
After the **30 series, no they do not.
I have personally taken apart a T460 and there was no roll cage.
The **40 and above X series also doesn't have spill protection anymore with drainage holes.
At this point, any thinkpad newer than the **20 series is just as bad as any other shit laptop on the market.

if all i care about is a really good screen (WQHD) and at least 3 years of warrantly, what laptop should i get? A MacBook Pro with my student discount is becoming more and more of an option..

>>59838810
the magnesium roll cage is bonded with the plastic on the newer models, although on the non p or s models the coverage doesnt seem as good as the old ones because i don't think the base cover is magnesium inside on those. the t440p has a bigger drainage hole than even the old ones do, but yeah i don't think the base models have any spill protection. my main problem with the new ones is that the screen is more flimsy than the old ones since there's no rollcage in the lid

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>I have personally taken apart a T460 and there was no roll cage.

Pic related. Did you bother taking out the keyboard?

>The **40 and above X series also doesn't have spill protection anymore with drainage holes.

http://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad%20X1%20Carbon%20(5th%20Gen)/ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_5th_Gen_Platform_Specifications.pdf

>6-row, spill-resistant, multimedia Fn keys, LED backlight

>>59838919
>my main problem with the new ones is that the screen is more flimsy than the old ones since there's no rollcage in the lid

Older CCFL LCDs were more vulnerable to damage, LED LCDs take take more abuse. The LCD rollcage only really existed on the T61/400 before it got discontinued. HP and Dell were still using Mg alloy lids until the Ivy Bridge gen.

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>>59839053
>Dell were still using Mg alloy lids until the Ivy Bridge gen

My mistake, the E6440 (Haswell) still has a LCD rollcage.

>>59839053
That doesn't look like metal, that looks like plastic that lid.

Also, about spill resistance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFvk-FzTxQ

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>>59839099
It's magnesium alloy (the light grey), you clearly didn't take a T460 apart at all.

>this is now plastic

>>59839053
yeah i just dont like how you can push on the top of the screen and make flex it back and forth. it just doesn't feel as solid as the old ones.

i buy thinkpads in bulk from government surplus and resell them and do part time it work for the sales department of an insurance company in the area so i get a lot of hands on with them. personally i think the best laptop for the money atm is the t440p if you're willing to do a little work. you can get one for ~$200 and put a 1080p ips screen in and a touchpad from the newer models, and the nonbacklit keyboard isn't as mushy as the old ones(the backlit one feels like shit tho). it doesn't have the 7 row keyboard but i used a t420 for 3 years and i never used any of the keys they removed. it has better spill protection than the older models and doesn't have the drop back hinges like the newer ones do. the processor also isn't soldered like most of the new ones and can be upgraded to the quad core i7 4900mq which will hopefully get a lot cheaper once they start getting off lease. my only complaint is the screen doesn't feel as sturdy as the old ones

>>59828740
Is it true that Laptop video cards are seriously beginning to rival desktop video cards now?
I'm planning on selling my desktop and buying a laptop because I need the portability and from what I've seen the 1060 mobile chip is even outperforming my desktop GTX 970.
How the fuck is this possible?

>>59828740
>IBM Z60t/ 1.86GHz/ 2GB DDR2/ 60gb

Should I buy this (50euro)
>1TB HDD 5200rpm with windows 8 activated

or this for t510? (50euro)

I want to roll linux on IBM thinkpads but in same time I feel like maybe I would need 1tb storage to storage something.
Something like Video Games or Movies

>>59839144
>for-lenovo-t420-t420i-roll-cage-scafolding.jpg
I have handled a T460 and have taken it apart multiple times and
there was no roll cage that actually surrounded and protected the
components like in the T420. The sad excuse fora rollcage in the
new thinkpads is a thin metal sheet in the bottom and top panels, surrounded by plastic.

>>59839166
>yeah i just dont like how you can push on the top of the screen and make flex it back and forth. it just doesn't feel as solid as the old ones.

I know, I own a T440p. As much as a Dell E6440 has better chassis, the keyboard and trackpoint on those Dells are shit in comparison.

>>59839202
Doesn't matter, they fixed the keyboard flex in the T420 with the with the redesigned rollcage in the T460.

You know, maybe they figured out that the new rollcage design provides equal chassis rigidity with less weight.

>>59839171
The desktop GPUs that are being released right now
are so low power that manufacturers can just take their
desktop GPU, undervolt it and underclock it a bit, and
it will run efficiently enough to be placed in a laptop.

>>59839053
>Older CCFL LCDs were more vulnerable to damage, LED LCDs take take more abuse.
I work on both professionally. CCFL panels are necessarily thicker and take quite a bit more abuse. The new LED panels are less than half the thickness and crack if you put them down wrong.

>>59839236
I'd rather have a laptop that can survival a fall than no keyboard flex.

Please, go home to >>>/r/eddit , you are not welcome on /tpg/.

>>59839245
https://youtu.be/doEZMNXz1JY?t=654

>>59839257
>I'd rather have a laptop that can survival a fall than no keyboard flex.

>than no keyboard flex
>than no keyboard flex
>than no keyboard flex

The unique selling point of a ThinkPad is GREAT KEYBOARD QUALITY. You're defending the shit that Lenovo was putting in the T400-T430

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>>59839202
the s and p series are better built than the others

>>59839259
Watched it before. Your point?

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>>59839331
that thiccc lcds provide no benefit

>>59829550

You forgot
>Implying

>>59839345
I can only answer for screens used in Thinkpads, but I disagree becuase:
1) The thinner screens crack much much more easily outside the lid, and even 'splash' inside the lid when the angle is adjusted or pressure is placed on the back. That's stress getting through to the panel. Didn't happen in older models.
2) The newer, thinner panels are far more susceptible to dirt and grime getting into the panel. it's what causes the 'white spots', which are a recent thing. They never happened in the X61 or T61.
3) The thinner waveguides in the new LED panels require the lowest profile LED packages available (<1mm high, side-firing), and you can see, straight from the spec sheets, these LEDs are way less efficient than the slightly taller packages. The panels waveguides also require setting the LEDs farther back from the waveguide, wasting even more light. An LED screen should be more than 4x the power efficiency of a CCFL LCD. My retrofits certainly are. The fact that the thinner screens are only about 2x as efficient means that 'muh thinness' is wasting half the LED's energy output.

>>59839272
Man, I wish I could fix keyboard flex on my X220. It gets real fucking annoying.

>>59839657
I wonder if it's possible to reinforce the bottom of the keyboard with a thin sheet of plastic or metal

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>>59839662
I tried foam, problem is that it's hard to place it -exactly- where it needs to be so the keyboard doesn't look like it's about to pop out of the bloody thing.

Also is the keyboard bezel below supposed to be really flexible? Not too long ago I decided to take apart the thing completely and that thing would wobble like jelly. I thought it was supposed to be at least a little bit hard.

I have an ThinkPad S540, I want to run Ubuntu 17.04 (4.10.0-19-generic) on it and need the GPU for OpenGL 4. But I cant get the driver to work, did everything I could find but still no progress, anyone here who did or had the same problem?

result of
DRI=PRIME=1 glxinfo
radeon: Failed to allocate virtual address for buffer:
radeon: size : 65536 bytes
radeon: alignment : 4096 bytes
radeon: domains : 4
radeon: va : 0x0000000000800000


>inb4 install gentoo
no

new thread

>>59838785

>>59838785

>>59838785

Where's that anon that told me that tlp is easy to setup?

Installed all necessary packages and that bloody tpbat from AUR, set the thresholds (40% -80%), rebooted and now the battery is showing as charged up to 72 % but when I input tlp fullcharge it shows 100%.

Fucking weird.

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Is it possible to fix x230 touchpad on Win7? It's really inaccurate. There's a lot of complaints about it on the web so it's not only me, it seems. It's pretty much unusable in it's current state.

>>59840123
Nah, touchpads on thinkpads are pretty shitty in comparison to other brands. You'll have to behave like the massive faggots over here and get used to the trackpoint so much you have to pretend it's the superior choice. Here's a guide on how to post a thinkposter:

>"It's shitty because touchpads are for normies and they had to include one but they shouldn't really"
>"You're just using the wrong cap you pleb"
>"Muh big hands touching the touchpad all the time why is it there"
>"I move the cursor and type and move the cursor every 2 seconds so I don't want to move my hand a few millimetres"

>>59840660
Having owned a macbook in the past, trackpads can be good, and they pose no issue if you have one with proper palm rejection. Using their desktop trackpad right now, and I typically rest my thumb on the lower left corner while i mouse around with my fingers. The trackpad never gets confused by that. The shitty trackpads I have to deal with at work do get confused by that kind of stuff tho.

If there is one thing other manufacturers should copy from Apple, it is the actually good trackpad. But please don't copy the ones that don't click at all. That just have this vibration when you "click".

>>59840730
Yeah but they're not going to copy that because 1. Most people have the misconception that trackpads are shit and need to be replaced with mice immediately because they happened to buy some crappy ASUS laptop that ramps up the CPU usage to 100% while using that shit
2. Doesn't Apple have some patents over that kind of stuff? I've seen a few companies trying to at least get closer, not to the accuracy but to the official gestures supported.

I have a 1st gen magic trackpad as well and yeah I know what you mean. But enough people buying laptops with shitty touchpads make touchpads gimmicky and not usable by popular opinion. Also that everytime a thinkpad comes out, if it has any hints of trying to become anything else but a classic thinkpad people just throw up and shit on lelnovo, and it may not seem like it, but that's feedback they take despite the design changes.

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Someone have a t460p with a i5 or i7 and tell me ur though about it. Thanks

>>59840998
A guy in my class has one. they're pretty nice if you want a laptop with modern features, but you could accomplish the same thing cheaper by buying a t440p and putting a t460p screen and trackpad in it and you wouldn't have a soldered processor. the i7 6820hq and i7 4900mq are basically the same speed

>>59841099
but if I want to get a t440p, the only way is a refurbished o used one right? If I can buy one new. I prefer it

>>59841275
yep, better get the t460p if you want one that's new

>>59841275
I can find it new one (20AQ009DMN) in some very specific stores. The specs aren't that high, but at the pricepoint it is at, it is hard to find anything better at that price point. It might just be some B grade bullshit that the store is trying to sell as A grade tho. They've been caught trying to do that kind of bullshit in the past.

>>59836969
I tought the xx30 serie could use only genuine batteries

>>59841421
You can use chink ones with a bios mod

>>59841387
i'd just buy one on ebay for ~$250, most of them are going to be from businesses upgrading their laptops and you might be able to find one that just sit in the storage room and is basically new. then pop a ~$100 1080p ips screen in and the touchpad from the new ones for ~$30(you're gonna want to upgrade it because the one on the t440p is shit) and a ~$50-100 ssd and you'll have a nice computer. maybe an i7-4700mq as well if you want the extra processing power. total cost would be around ~$400-450.

or you could just get the t460p if you dont wanna have to fuck with it and you want a new one

I'm new. What's all this **20 vs **30 debacle? I was thinking of buying a T430, but I've found a slightly cheaper X220 with similar specs.

>>59841724
The **30 series have a whitelist that wont allow you to install non-lenovo batteries/mini pcie cards.
And the only way to remove it is through a complicated process of flashing the chip, while on the T420
you only have to flash a custom bios through lenovo's windows utility.

See >>59834598

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Ordered a RAM module for my t420 but it seems it's not functional. The laptop beeps when I try to boot it up with the new module. I have the exact same module and, as tpg suggested, I bought an identical one to be sure that it will work.
Beeps are: 1 short - 3 short - 3 short (RAM error)
How should I resolve this with the seller?

Is the x220 suitable for manlets?

>>59842059
Sent them a message and waiting for a reply

>>59842059
Is it seated correctly? SODIMM slots can be a bit fiddly sometimes. make sure you can barely see any of the contact points of the module once you have it clipped in.

>>59841762
>complicated process of flashing the chip
>connect clip to BIOS chip
>run some commands on a raspberrypi

What is a good price for a T450s?

>>59842182
Yeah, tried it on both slots while being extra careful. No luck.
On the other hand, the other module works fine

>>59828740
What do you anons think about the x270?

>>59830533
If You want 2 monitors connected thru dock 4338 there is seats (old model) and usb 3.0 model of it.
4338 have mini jack ports on the right (very hard to connect whild docked w520) and 4336 have this ports on the back

Any got hands in exp with the 2820qm in the t420, regarding temps? I want to put one in my t420 but i am considering replacing my heatsink with the dgpu model. Is this at all necessary?!

Why does my thinkpad shit the bed every time I try to use Waterfox or a torrent client?

>>59828740
About that cheapo refurbished X220 model (the usual, i5, 320gb HDD, 4GB, TN screen) that is the most common on Ebay, is there anything I should be aware of before departing with €100 for one?

Does that model usually come with one stick of 4GB DDR3 RAM or two sticks 2x2GB?

>>59842240
500 more or less, depending on config

>>59840998
it runs hot as fuck, like 95 degrees centigrade core temperatures

>>59839236
I have a t460 and it's great, literally not a millimeter of flex anywhere on the bottom part.

Spilled tea on my T510 couple days ago. Shut the power down immediatly and left it for two days because I was busy. Went to power it up yesterday and wouldn't boot or show any signs of power at all. Plugging in the adapter and it wouldn't even light up the power indicator.
Pulled everything apart and bathed it in isopropyl, put it back together this morning and still no reaction.
Anything else I can try? or go buy a new mobo? or just bin it?

>>59840730
>But please don't copy the ones that don't click at all. That just have this vibration when you "click".

Wtf are you going on about, I have a 2011 and 2015 MBP. The new trackpad is far better, the click is responsive and has a lighter 'click point', but still has a strong feedback. It also fixed the hinge problem where it'd be hard to click near the top.

I like my x220's clit, but if the trackpad was anywhere near Apple's trackpad I'd ditch it right away.

>>59838249
I just want it to play dark souls 1 and dragons dogma shouldn't it do that?

>>59843162
It is horrible. One of the reasons why I can't stand the new macbooks. The vibration in the new ones just isn't right. Doesn't feel like a proper click.

>>59843193
I play Sins of a Solar Empire on my T510 and it runs fine. I'd imagine it could handle souls but DD is a heavier game isn't it?

>>59842212
Its much simpler to just put a file into program and run it than,
to disassemble your machine and hook up peripherals to an RPi to
run the commands. And seting up the raspberry pi costs alot for
someone budget minded who doesn't have all the required components for it.

>>59843262
probably a little bit it came out in early 2012
would you recommend a different one?

>>59843138
After one week after water damage of t410 in backpack I just used toothbrush and brushed where I think it get water (no signs at all at mobo itself, only at port was corrosion). After that it run to today (happened 2y ago)

If I buy an x220 with no os, can I flash an os with a usb stick?

>>59843772
Yes.

>>59843262
Okay how about this one? it should be alot better right?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-W520-15-i7-2640M-turbo-2-8-3-5GHz-8GB-NVIDIA-2000M-2GB-Win7-pro-1080p-/282125232200?hash=item41aff96848:g:xj4AAOSwvFZW7vr~

>>59843964
That should definitly work.
This guy's running DD at medium-high settings on that GPU so you should be fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c90_mVD3ScU

>>59843772
>flash an os
lol

yeah ofc you can. have you literally ever installed an OS?

>>59844016
Okay thanks i'll order that and the 1tb drive
is there anything you can get to transfere all of your stuff from 1 computer to another?

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Is this a good deal? It includes docking station.

>>59842839
The general consensus from what I've seen is that it runs hot and loud, while offering little to no reason to get it over an older model, supposedly the T470 is okish but everyone here is gonna recommend a T420/30 or their X variants because rollcage

>>59840123
What kind of problem anon? Issues with palm rejection? I use a T420 with Ubuntu and Windows. It seems to work fine for me, but I do wish the trackpad was bigger though. The lower mouse buttons are of poor quality as well. They've started to sink, a problem which I think ThinkPads should not have.

>>59844103
with the docking yeah not bad

>>59829832
ahaha
Modern Thinkpads are literally Walmart laptops

>>59844023
No. I'm a newb and that's the truth. I'm making the dive though... That's what matters I guess.

>>59843846
Thanks desu.

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well I did it lads

>>59844256
yeah definitely. every day you get less dependent on other people for tech stuff (or any stuff really) is better. Installing windows is really not that hard, just make a bootable USB from an image file (.iso) with Rufus Live USB maker or so. Then boot from USB (depends on your PC, mostly by pressing F1 during startup or so). The install is step by step.

>>59831793
because there is no large market demand for well built computers

disposable laptops meant to last a few years until they get offleased is the new market norm

>>59844575
>because there is no large market demand for well built computers
there is more than ever. Hardware, especially for laptops, has essentially stalled. With SSDs and 8-16GB RAM a laptop boots in 3 seconds or so. 5 and 10 years ago there wasn't any use in buying a laptop that lasted longer than 3-4 years because it would fall behind massively. Now that hardware doesn't advance anymore a laptop that lasts >5 years is a good investment again.

Also the t450, t460 series are actually really good. Can't speak for the 470 but I heard it's the same as the 460

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The t430s is by far the best option for thinkpads these days...

Can easily pick one up with a 128GB SSD, 6GB RAM, and an i5 for 300$CAN.

I bought mine at the beginning of the school year, I spilled a full 12oz glass of water on it and it still looks and works flawlessly.

>>59844344
You'll love the T420. Good choice

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>>59844518
Danks Brudder.

>>59844692
>soldered cpu
>bad cooling
>whitelists
Not the best option for thinkpads, the regular T430 is much better, not to mention the T420.

>>59844682
>advance anymore a laptop that lasts >5 years is a good investment again.
No. It costs too much to make and there is no business sense on keeping legacy hardware around for longer than the OEM dictates its life
>t450, t460
Chink trash

>>59844831
>everything I can't afford is chink trash
>a-at least my t420 has a dvd drive and VGA
I own a t420 and a t460, guess which one is collecting dust because I never use it.

>>59839259
>Louis "I can't stop lying" (((Rossmann)))

Do you know how to end the IPS mod on the X61?
The guide is incomplete.

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>>59844763
Annnnd someone BGAed a quad core i7 onto a t430s.

You think hd4000 would be enough with a 3632qm for photo editing and some light video editing? I'm thinking of buying one of those modded thinkpad

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What color would you pick if you could change the color of your ThinkPad?

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are there pink business laptops
i dont want to buy an older sony vaio with mediocore performance or a new macbook with one port to have my dosage of pink
when will the world give us the pink laptops we deserve

>>59845350
No, it will not be enough because it will throttle a lot with sub par cooling ****s series laptops have.

>>59845378
A darker shade of black.

>>59845485
aren't vaios pretty decent though?

>>59845666
Forgot to add, I'm thinking of the t430. Should I get one with nvidia or just the hd4000

>>59845733
Get the intel because, unless your doing something that supports CUDA like photoshop,
the performance difference will be negligible, and the intel graphics are much less of a pain in the ass to setup on linux.

But my recommendation is to get a T420 and not be a faggot.

>>59845832
>le epic T420 maymay

I have an X230 that sometimes has keys that stop working, which is extremely fucking annoying. Also the battery life is not good at all. It's pretty fucking awful for a laptop of its size and power. Will a T420 just werk? I am sick of /g/ memeing me.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LENOVO-THINKPAD-T420-CORE-i5-2-4Ghz-8GB-250GB-WARRANTY-LOADED-WIN-10-/291933778878?hash=item43f89bf3be:g:9I8AAOxyCQ5TlgA7

>>59845925
>keys stop working
have you replaced the keyboard with a new one?
>battery life is not good
do you have a new lenovo 9 cell battery?

>>59843050

Which one? i7 with the 940mx?

Has anyone here had success ordering an X62?

>>59845832
I have a t420s that just fixed with a i5 board. Used to be a i5 + nvs. I didn't have any problem with Linux though. And yes I do use Photoshop.
But I do want to have that better processor even its just a little bit of improvement on power consumption.

>>59846284
You didn't have any problem with linux because the nvidia boards have intel graphics too. You were simply just using the intel graphics only because graphics switching isn't supported on linux.

I want to get a laptop upgrade after X220, but what are my options. I just want something durable and comfy. Should I just sell it and get a desktop and X60s so I get actually powerful Thinkpad and a normal dekstop or there were better laptops made after *20 series?

>>59845678
vantablack retro thinkpad when

>>59846478
As I have said many times, we will only have a chance at a new retro thinkpad if everyone at /g/ stops buying new from lenovo.

>>59846524
retro will launch in october

>>59846382
If I remember correctly, the one things that's not working is the optimus. So all I had to do is switch the graphics option to nvidia in the bios. I'm very less likely to install linux anyways

>>59846666
>T430
>less likely to install linux
>photoshop
Enjoy your gamerfood faggot, you're so gay that satan gave you satanic trips.
I recommend you go to your local >>>/r/eddit castration center.

>>59846641
It will just be a T470 with a different keyboard and thinklight, not a true retro thinkpad like 51nb's X62 and T70.

>>59846750
Is there any guide for getting 51nb's Thinkpads for Europe or US. They seem like a great idea.

>>59846750
last time we heard about the retro it was planned to be based on an upgraded x301 chassis

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Thar common X220 ex-corporate configuration (4GB, 320GB, TN screen), how many slots does the 4GB take up?

What's the difference between the T460 and 460s? Are they actually any good?

>still thinking there's gonna be a retro thinkpad
Friendly reminder it's a marketing stunt, don't get your hopes high.

I currently have a t420 with 8gb of ram that I use for school. Recently, it has been really slow at compiling rmarkdown files. Should I upgrade to 16 gb or upgrade the whole laptop. I was looking at w520

>>59847575
I doubt a W520 will be significantly faster. Were those same files fast to compile before? if so, your problem is probably software.

>>59845044
I'm not talking about what I own but nice try with moving goalposts
I'm stating a simple fact that gookshit is gookshit

>>59847943
no not really, I think I am just tired of having to wait so long for them to compile

New thread:
>>59848374