/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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Since systemd was first proposed it has been frequently discussed in many forums, mailing lists and conferences. In these discussions one can often hear certain myths about systemd, that are repeated over and over again, but certainly don't gain any truth by constant repetition. Let's take the time to debunk a few of them:

Myth: systemd is monolithic.

If you build systemd with all configuration options enabled you will build 69 individual binaries. These binaries all serve different tasks, and are neatly separated. Many of these binaries are separated out so nicely, that they are very useful outside of systemd. A package involving 69 individual binaries can hardly be called monolithic.

Myth: systemd is not UNIX.

There's certainly some truth in that. systemd's sources do not contain a single line of code originating from original UNIX. However it derives inspiration from UNIX. In fact the design of systemd as a suite of integrated tools that each have their individual purposes but when used together are more than just the sum of the parts, that's pretty much at the core of UNIX philosophy.

Myth: systemd is bloated.

Well, bloated certainly has many different definitions. But in most definitions, systemd is probably the opposite of bloat. Since systemd components share a common code base, they tend to share much more code for common code paths. Here's an example: in a traditional Linux setup, sysvinit, start-stop-daemon, inetd, cron, dbus, all implemented its own scheme to execute processes with various configuration options in a certain, hopefully clean environment. On systemd the code paths for all of this, for the configuration parsing, as well as the actual execution is shared. This means less code, less place for mistakes, less memory and cache pressure. systemd is also pretty modular. You can choose at build time which components you need, and which you don't need. People can hence specifically choose the level of "bloat" they want.

>>59781787
abomination.png

Friendly reminder to install FreeBSD

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Friendly reminder that Manjaro is the official distribution of /fglt/

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>>59781800
I’m sorry, you may want to close your ears now, I want a distribution to be easy to install, so that I can just get on with my life.

I keep hearing about systemd, but I have no idea what it is and why it is hated.

>>59781882
All of the negative things they say are myths see >>59781812

>>59781882
it has to do with vocal unix turds who are:
-Unemployable because they are vocal unix turds
-Think that whatever was made first is king and refer to this as "philosophy" when this shit was written quite literally in the 1970s and isn't relevant anymore

systemd psudeo politics doesn't do anything besides make newcomers like you hate all distros before they even get started and only hurts the community. unix shits aren't in charge of any important distro because they would make shitty psuedo political decisions from the 70s about something now. But they sure as fuck sit on their fat unemployed asses and bleat about it on the entire internet.

It doesn't matter "why it's hated" because it has won. it is over. We also need to remove shitty "alternative" non-systemd distros because new people use them and it will just be shit

I've never used Fedora before. I want to try it. Should i go with 25 or i will be fine with 26 alpha?

Just downloaded Ubuntu because I'm fed up of windows 10. Basically just wanted a free alternative and I heard this was the easiest version of Linux to use. Its shit though so far. Why do you guys do this to yourself? It constantly fails to recognise hardware, and even when it does its temperamental as fuck. My internet constantly disconnects as well.

Guess its time to buy a mac

>>59782014
Next time buy not closed proprietary hardware.

>>59782052
I don't know what you're on about mate I just want to browse memes without it crashing tbhwy

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>13 years later
>still no thumbails in gtk

is this the gnu/linux experience?

I wanna auto-backup certain local directories to an nfs drive. If I remember correctly there's a way to specify what directories in curly brackets, something like

cp -ru {./Pictures,./Documents,./Downloads} {./netPictures,./netDocuments,./netDownloads}

but I don't know if that's what that actually does or if that's even the right syntax

>>59782178
You can always test what may happen by envoking echo instead of the actual command.

>>59782174
I actually prefer it. If you don't like it you are free to use a qt file picker.

>>59782184
oh shit that's a neat trick. It doesn't seem like it's going to do what I want it to do, though

>>59782174
WHy don't you patch it?

>>59782209
how to install?

>>59782222
i don't know how

>>59782178
>>59782184
any hints on how to write what I actually want it to do?

>>59782243
Why are you using Linux if you're not a developer?

Is there a way to organize all the binaries in /bin /sbin /usr/bin and /usr/sbin so I can group together like-binaries and overall have a better idea of what's installed on my system. For example I have tex installed and there's about 20 tex binaries that do different things, would anything break if i put them in a /usr/bin/tex directory?

>>59782250
maybe this

$ for i in a b c; do echo cp "${i}" "net_${i}"; done
cp a net_a
cp b net_b
cp c net_c

>>59782263
if you symlink them with their original location it should be fine

>>59782260
GNU/Linux*

>>59782275
No I don't agree with that term.

>>59782279
Facts don't need your agreement.

>>59782284
No. Linux is Linux. I will never accept to call Android Linux.

>>59782268
I'm surprised bash doesn't have something like I want built in. Thank you

>>59782222
If not even these idiots at mozilla want to waste time fixing that fucking file picker and are trying to rewrite everything, it's a lost cause. KDE solves the problem for pretty much every other application

>>59782319
Installing a different DE is not a solution to the problem.

>>59782284
GNU/Linux is the wrong term, and Linux is the correct term because embedded Linux systems use Linux but not GNU and are still called Linux

>>59782274
Interesting, thanks for the input.

>>59782349
Embedded Linux systems are indeed not GNU/Linux systems, that's correct, but it doesn't negate that GNU+Linux systems are GNU+Linux systems.

>>59782349
How are you posting on /g/ with an embedded system?

>>59781827
I did. it sucks. fuck you.

>>59781812
>69 binaries
all of those binaries depend on running the monolithic init daemon and one cannot be compiled without compiling the rest
>integrated tools
Wrong. Unix philosophy is "do one thing and do it well" and systemd does too many things
>less mistakes
sure, if "less mistakes" means "mistakes that when they occur are really bad"

Is there a 4chan cli client?

Tried w3m, problem is that it doesn't refresh the website.

Just.. how the hell do I use telegram-desktop on void. The source is a dependency hell and requires snowflake patched versions of qt5. The binary won't work.

Why aren't you using jewgle plus?

https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds
https://plus.google.com/+MarkShuttleworthCanonical/
https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly

>>59782441
botnet

>>59782456
*botnet+

>>59782414

Just kill yourself already before you embarrass yourself more.

>monolithic init daemon
What does that even mean you idiot? You don't know, but you heard those words and now you strung them together into a buzzphrase.

>cannot be compiled without compiling the rest
What does that mean retard? You don't have to use all of the additional tools it provides, therefore you most likely don't have to build them.

>unix philosophy
Stop using your webbrowser you hypocritical retard. You don't even know what the UNIX philosophy is. No one does, because there are multiple sources and there is no definitive "rule". Even if it is, it's been almost 50 years and things have changed in the computer world.

See my intro paragraph again for further advice.

First for Linux, not GNU/Linux

>>59782469
>Friendly
>Kill yourself
systemdtards don't understand the rules

>>59782370

That doesn't mean we call them GNU/Linux. Why does gnu get all the credit for writing tools that rely on Linux? Also by all definitions Linux is a OS on its own. It's not user friendly but it does everything a os is supposed to do.

>>59782500
They didn't even write tools that depend on Linux. The GNU tools were originally meant to run under the Hurd kernel and the Linux people had to spend hours porting the code to Linux

>>59782469
It's not like he's wrong. Look at systemd then look at other init systems and tell me what's unproportionately massive with a fuckton of useless features.

Stop with this shitstemd spma already, for fucks sake

>>59782508

Look at hurd. It's a cancerous lump of shit like gnu

>>59781812
>it's not monolithic, but the reason for why it isn't bloated is because it's monolithic

GG.

>searx.me is currently down
what do

>>59781972
>having alternatives is a bad thing

Just go use windows, retard.

>>59782552
searx.de, searx.info, searx.laquadrature.net, searx.oe5tpo.com, seeks.hsbp.org, searx.brihx.fr, search.kujiu.org, searx.new-admin.net, search.homecomputing.fr, searx.potato.hu, s3arch.eu, search.jpope.org, searx.fossencdi.org, blackholeroutercondition.com, ready.pm, searx.schrodinger.io, search.blackit.de, heraut.eu/search, searx.aquilenet.fr, search.azkware.net, searx.netzspielplatz.de, searx.32bitflo.at, searx.nulltime.net, posativ.org/search, quackquackgo.nl/search, suche.elaon.de, search.koehn.com, search.notoriousdev.com, searx.4ray.co, iguana.cubeclan.ch/searx..
https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/wiki/Searx-instances

what's so bad about systemd anyways?

>>59781846
>XFCE
Why do you hate yourself?

>>59782491

>he thinks this is a systemd thing and not about his retardation and lack of knowledge and adaptation of edgy opinions he thinks make him smart

>>59782509

The init part of systemd doesn't have useless features. You are also an idiot who thinks that systemd is one whole and only consists of 1 thing.

>>59782139
You're just a normie. Buy a mac and fuck off to >>>/soc/

>>59782602
>thinks that alternatives shouldn't exist
software should be replaceable, dumbass. the problem with systemd is that it was designed to be impossible to replace

>>59782614
>the problem with systemd is that it was designed to be impossible to replace
Can you explain this?

Same arguments were being held against X but then we got Wayland.

>>59782634
At least Xorg is modular, systemd on the other hand, isn't

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>>59782654
Wayland is modular, xorg is almost blob.

>>59782654
>modular
What does this mean, exactly?

Can I have some links to read more on this topic?

>>59782602
Okay, let's say I only wanted to use systemd's init. KDE and gnome would stop working, wouldn't they? Because they don't depend on the extremely advanced init module, right?

>>59782669
>>59782675
Xorg itself is just a (IMO overly bloated) core that handles drivers, with display functionality, input, and other things handled by external drivers.

$ ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules

can someone give me a quick tl;dr about the system controversy?

>>59782675
A system must be lightweight, user-friendly and modular.

>>59782706
duckduckgo.com

>>59782706
>bla bla bla
>bla bla bla

>>59782702
Oh, okay, so Xorg is a collection of a bunch of modules?

But how is it modular? Can we replace it's vanilla configs with other configs and expect it to work properly?

>>59782706
A few days ago, some drama happened regarding systemd, and now everyone is angry about it. That's basically it.

>>59782706
Retards think it's one humongous thing whine about it being monolithic and not the unix way when in fact it is 69 modular binaries i.e. pretty much at the core of UNIX philosophy.

>>59782742
Yeah all of the myths got properly debunked

>>59782743
run systemd-networkd without the init before calling systemd modular

>>59782706
http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd

>>59782743
Why don't you try to run systemd with only initd left and see what happens?

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>>59775321
It's already there.

>>59782706
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

>>59782706
http://ewontfix.com/14/

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>>59782778
>>59782769
>>59782758
I hope you cucks aren't whining about it while using it

>>59782800
No. It can burn in a fire to me.

Quick question guys. Is it possible to get a job as a programmer even though I have 0 interest in any of this stuff. Like the idea of making stuff is appealing but hearing you guys talk about the stuff in this thread makes me want to kill myself. Does it need to be a passion? I just want a job where I don't have to deal with people that often

>>59782706
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/src/core/main.c
this is the initial startup code for systemd, and it is really poorly written code

>>59782796
>>59782778
>>59782760
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

>>59782813
Patience, a lot of it. This sector is stressful and it can make you pretty fucking angry about the most idiotic stuff. Also, after some time programming loses it's appeal and you feel like a codemonkey unless you really like it or do something that you like.

>>59782835
>>59782769
>>59782693

>>59782813
You can, but you will be more likely to kill yourself than you want now if you don't have passion for this. System administrators don't just wank around all day doing nothing.

>>59782835
Have you actually tried disabling certain features of systemd and see what happens. It's not pretty, and if you try to report a bug about it, their developers will say it is an "Unsupported setup". These are all just lies and propaganda from Lennart himself.

>>59782429
help, please, feeling like an idiot

xdelta3: too many filenames: Online ...

what do? is there a better alternative to x?delta3 for making patches? I'm doing a batch patch, for a folder.

>>59782918
>void linux
Which package manager are you using?

>>59782918
flatpak?

>>59783014
I tried building a template but apparently there's just too much stuff depending on it and it won't work. Probably building from source is out of question, is there any other way?

>>59782429
>>59782918
It's not that bad. Is this the compilation instructions you're looking at? I've never ran Void though so idk maybe it is.
https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/docs/building-cmake.md

>>59782614

>software should be replacable
Says who? Which softawre that you use is replaceable in this sense?

>>59782654

Give an example how Xorg is modular and systemd isn't.

>>59782702

I don't know much about X11 to dispute you, but you are full of bullshit.

I want the windows to do smooth transition when I minimize or maximize them. Which compositor to use and how to configure it to do so? Something like that Genie effect as in macOS would be nice.

>>59783072
apt install qt-5

>>59783212
Nvidia's X drivers couldn't exist without Xorg being modular

I've been using NFS for ages, I have auto-fs installed to mount the directory which seems to be causing problems, I use to mount via systemd but this would often result in my desktop hanging on reboot or shutdown waiting for the nfs to disconnect so I switched to autofs, which works fine, but if I have my NFS drive open and do nothing for like 60 seconds, the filemanager will just shut, which is a pain in the ass, if I open something on the drive the filemanager stays open, it's just on the NFS locations, anyway to stop this or is there a better way to hardmount an NFS location?

>>59783297

That's still very vague and too bad I don't have enough knowledge to call you out on your bullshit.
Systemd is made up of 10+ different binaries.

>>59783072
flatpak?

>>59783230
Halp, pls ;-;

>>59783604
Try looking through the AUR pkgbuild. I know it works because I've built it from source on Arch before. You could also try building on an Arch VM and transferring it back to host OS.

https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/plain/PKGBUILD?h=telegram-desktop

>>59783072
>>59783705
Woops, wrong reply

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>>59783705
>mentions AUR
my nig

Gentoo Linux is the best distro

>>59783297
Bullshit, you don't need X on desktop anymore, wayland used by all environments.

>>59783705
Thanks!

>>59783983
is wayland legit for KDE?

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ask me anything

>>59784536
>vmware
no

>>59784549
i always used virtualbox, i wanted to try something diferent this time

>>59784536
>Install Gentoo

>>59784536
what is your reason to use w**ws?

>>59784648
there are couple, the biggest one is i like to play games
i'm a photographer and a graphics designer so i run a lot of adobe stuff and other /gd/ programs, photoshop, illustrator, lightroom, sony vegas, cinema 4d, switching it all to linux would be very troublesome so my main pc runs windows out of convenience
i use arch on my laptop, installed it with antergos and i'm very happy with it

>>59784701
got yo point.
i wish one day even specialist soft will be easily aviable

>>59784761
yeah, would really like to be able to do everything i want under linux, i got really close recently, i was looking at setting up pcie passthrough to play games and run windows programs in a vm under linux but after much research i unded up just switching my secondary machine to linux, it's much easier but still was a hassle since i wanted it dualbooting just in case and wanted both systems encrypted
setting it up was crazy but i'mvery happy with it

>>59784613
still very much out of my league

>>59784831
GNU/Linux*

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>>59785016
this.

>>59785016
actually i've recently came to call it GNU plus Linux

>>59785016
GNU+Linux*

>>59782654
I'm running Xorg as non-root but systemd will always require to be run as root.

>>59785016
https://freeaudiofoundation.bandcamp.com/track/linux-is-a-kernel-a-program-in-a-system

>>59784536

wow you're so smart! r u a hacker? bcuz only hackers can copy 5 lines of text to install arch. wow can u teach me 2 be as cool as u? pls don't hack me

Kill yourself you pretentious retard who thinks that installing an operating system is a feat to be proud of.

>>59785173
Install Gentoo.

>>59785173
Thanks! I've been tryin to do that for some time now, happy to hear some encouragement!

I'm thinking about switching to running my own mail server instead of using public services like gmail. My objective is get my mail off public servers that can be hacked. What's the most secure mail server in current year. Is it qmail or postfix? These two are claimed to be secure, but qmail doesnt maintained in years.
As an alternative instead of running my own mail server I've thought about running a POP client, something like fetchmail, that would frequently pull down email and then delete it from the public server immediately after downloading it.

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what is going on with my number fonts on youtube?

seems to only happen on youtube tho (in the comments, description, as well as the video title)

>>59784536
>windows

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>>59785245
shit wrong picture

>>59785245
dark background an icons did u solve it?

>>59784536
>CPU temp=100C
wtf?

>>59785016
*Linux

>>59785247
>>59784701

>>59785278
it's a bug in the vm, my actual temps are ~30-40C

>>59785307
>bug
*feature

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>>59785288
when you post *Linux its still fits GNU/Linux (\* mach everything).

Its final argument. stop posting *Linux. GNU/Linux its official name.

>>59785265
well, kind of

you have to set the VCL_ICONS_FOR_DARK_THEME variable to 1

works if I do

export VCL_ICONS_FOR_DARK_THEME=1

lowriter

still working on getting that variable set at boot (using fish)

>>59785319
Linux is the official name. Stop letting Stallman trick you into thinking GNU is more important.

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>>59785339
thx

>>59785340
IMO GNU>=Linux.
so GNU/Linux its good.

>>59785016
You mean GNU OS with Linux kernel?

>>59785404
GNU (with Linux installed)

>>59785339
>>59785368
fixed the icons permanently
(for kde plasma 5, that is)

made a lo.sh file in ~/.config/plasma-workspace/env/

wrote in

export VCL_ICONS_FOR_DARK_THEME=1

and that's that, sets the variable properly on boot now :D

what is systemd and why is it bad?
is it just a meme or is it a botnet??

>>59785451
>>59785339
it fix fonts? in my case unavailable menu entry are invisible :|

>>59785478
my menus were fine before (save for the dark icons) and they're still fine now

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>>59785503
>Systemd is the kernel

>>59785467
its a meme, ignore systemd posters

>>59785447
It's actually Richard Mathew Stallman's GNU-Libre Free as in Freedom Operating System plus Lius's Torvald's Linux-Libre Free as in Freedom Kernel

>>59782349
There are embedded systems that indeed do run GNU software.

>>59784536
how do you live with yourself

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>Tfw I almost installed Solus
What have you done to me kevin?

Does /fglt/ have an official internet radio station I can tune into?

>>59785607
Why even try to install it?

>>59785607
isn't solus a /g/ meme?

>>59785609
No, but there is BSD/software reletad channel on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/user/jupiterbroadcasting/videos

>>59785609
Make one, over Tor ofc.

>>59785647

100%
>>59785652
It's about linux also.

>>59785647
every distro is a /g/ meme at this point

>>59785664
Is is about GNU too?

>>59785673
no, just about the kernel

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>>59783459
It's 69. 42 are the minimum you can get away with for init. It's modular to an extent but not completely.

>>59785673
Yes, nice channel.

>>59785709
>.png
Why are deleting filenames?

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>>59783705
>>59783793

what's the best distro?

>>59785745
ubuntu 16.04

>>59785745
Source Mage

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>>59785724
What the fuck are you talking about newfag?

>>59785745
wat is the best car?
i used ubuntu, debian, now gentoo.
ubuntu->easy to use, highly commercialized
debian->super stable, driven by community.
gentoo->powerfull, hard to use, driven by community.

>>59785765
>he fell for the gentoo meme
kek

>>59785764
stop it

>>59785778
sometimes im tired with it. i installed it too fast, im not power user but IMO portage is the best PM

>>59785765
>wat is the best car?
Tesla Model S

>>59785745
The one I'm using.

>>59785765
>highly commercialized
Did I miss something?

>>59785745
Windows 10

with all the telemetry enabled

>>59785852
I think they're still salty over the amazon thing

that stopped being a default a year ago

and it only happened on the unity version

>>59785868
Doesn't change the fact that Canonical pretty much kills the community -> "Microsoft <3 Linux" Ubuntu on Windows 10 -> LOL /g/ why should I switch when I can have bash on Windows 10? LINKEKS BTFO

thanks shuttlecuck

>>59785886
did you miss the fact that shuttle cock made a blog where he announced that ubuntu is switching back to guhnome
as in they're reuniting the comunities

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>>59785886
>"Microsoft <3 Linux"
i wanted to forgot

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>>59785791
No, I've been doing this for years. You're the first person to take notice. Congratulations.

>>59785927
Why not use 4chanX filename randomizer?

>>59781787
Lifelong windows user here.
I want to switch to Linux on my win10 laptop in order to aid with my junior developer career.
Been comparing, researching and even tried some vm's.

My greatest fear is that I will not get the system to work with hardware- I'm not a hardaware savvy guy.

Wat do?

>>59785652
>>59785660
I was hoping there was a /g/uy streaming mpd over http so I could get comfy.

>>59785957
Install Ubuntu.

>>59785957
try to boot from USB. wat ditro u choose?

>>59785957
Try a live cd

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>>59785945
I am

>>59785964
>not listening to lainchan

>>59785957
Try live-USB. Honestly, odds are pretty good that everything will just werk.

>>59785992
but why are there no filenames m8

>>59785992
STOP REMOVING DEM FILENAMES

>>59785974
I've been trying Ubuntu, manjaro and arch on vms.

I have basic experience with RHEL and Kali Linux from my work. Never installed it though, just ran some commands.

I want something lightweight without all the Bloatware that ubuntu uses, but also something that is easy to install and won't fuck up. I want to auto-detect and download drivers for my wifi,nvidia graphics card etc

>>59786036
>I want something lightweight without all the Bloatware that ubuntu uses, but also something that is easy to install and won't fuck up. I want to auto-detect and download drivers for my wifi,nvidia graphics card etc
IMO debian + lxde(ugly but fast).
lurk moar and make choose.

>>59785995
dam this some comfy stuff. Thanks.

>>59786036
Xubuntu

>>59786072
What about Lubuntu,Xubunto etc?
Are they just meme distro's? Are they filled with all the bloatware shit that comes with the vanilla ubuntu?

>>59782598
>he hates the most modular and one of the most light DEs

Ok w/e u say anon

>>59786119
didnt use, as far as i know only diff is sefault DE.

>>59782174
a fellow rizon weeb has wrote some patches anon
https://gist.github.com/ahodesuka/

Trying to partition a USB disk with GParted, using GParted Live from another USB because I'm a pleb. My goal is two equal-sized (64GB) partitions, one exfat (for OS-agnostic files), one f2fs (for super sekret encrypted linux-only files).

First of all, GParted does not let me use exFAT at all - the option is greyed out. Well, I can live with that, fat32 isn't the end of the world.

However, when I try to format my second partition as f2fs, it says everything is successful, but then the filesystem doesn't get recognised. GParted says "unknown", and trying to mount the partition tells me "NTFS signature is missing".

This really bums me out as I've looked in detail at what GParted tells me and there's literally nothing to suggest that something went wrong. Could it be that the debian on my gparted live usb (which was created quite some time ago) simply doesn't support f2fs or something?

>>59786119
>>59786134
Default DE and a handful of application differences, mostly. For example Lubuntu uses Abiword/Gnumeric instead of the full Libreoffice suite.
There is basically no difference between the *buntu distros that cannot be replicated with a series of apt-get commands.

>>59786148
>GTK2

>>59786173
>fat32 isn't the end of the world.
That's how it starts.

>>59782174
>tfw part of the KDE master race
it just works(tm)

hi guy, im installing linux for first time. should i go with ubuntu or arch. i read arch is for more experienced users, but how hard can it be when everything you need to know is on wiki

>>59786180
>There is basically no difference between the *buntu distros that cannot be replicated with a series of apt-get commands.
still better to install the relevant distro imo
usually you get duplicated apps, broken themes, etc
(especially if installing kde in ubuntu unity, or whatever)

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>>59781787
i want to dual boot a cracked windows 10 with ubuntu, but the ubuntu installation doesn't recognize the windows 10 at all... what can i do here? windows 10 is already installed and working. i already successfully done this in both of my laptops which have legit windows 10.

>>59786234
>first time
>arch

dude, no.
if its first time install ubuntu or suse

>>59786220
I want to solve that, but I'd at least like to have my Linux partition working in the meantime.
Once I get that going I'll take a look at the fat32 thing again. Divide and conquer.

>>59786245
>cracked windows 10
L M A O

but otherwise, install Boot Repair, that's what I use if GRUB doesn't detect the OS properly the first time around

>>59786234
Roughly as hard as installing Windows back in the 90s was. Kids these days.

>>59786278
I also have cracked windows 10. whats wrong with it?

>>59786245
you mean not all OS are listed in grub menu?
https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/

>>59786293
backdoors(both from crackers and usoft), bitcoin mining etc.

>>59786245
You can install arch in exact partition that you need.
GUI installers is just a meme, debian not bad though, try debian-testing (same as ubuntu, but no keylogers).

>>59786293
b o t n e t

>>59786278
>cracked windows 10
just in case you wanted a Chinese backdoor in addition to the MS and CIA ones.

>>59786316
>ubuntu
>keyloggers

>>59786316
>ubuntu, but no keylogers
what

ok u guys convinced me. im gonna uninstall my cracked windows 10 and do hackintosh instead

>>59786119
>Are they filled with all the bloatware shit that comes with the vanilla ubuntu?
Vanilla Ubuntu comes in a 1.4GB image. The server version(which doesn't have x.org or DE or anything) is a little over 800MB .iso. Lubuntu(which includes LXDE, obviously) fits into 700 MB. Under the hood they're the same shit, obviously, but no, Lubuntu does not come with all the bloatware by defautl.

>>59786336
>>59786345
Searchbar in ubuntu saves your queries and send it to cannonical to "improve user expirience" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc i

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>>59786381

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>>59786313
>>59786317
>>59786323
holy shit this might explain all the recurring lags that i have...
>>59786381
i would do this in an instant if i didn't need visual studio for the C# students i tutor

>>59786401
off by default since 16.04

>>59786425
W E W
L A D

>>59786401
>2013
its outdated. in lasts versions its disabled.

>>59781846
I just got back at linux, because I'm getting back at web dev
Downloaded manjaro like 5 mins ago and installing it in VM because it's install and almost ready, and I'm lazy to rice OS to look good
Is Manjaro not worth it? What alternative of it can I find? I know I can do Arch Linux, I had it before, but I'm lazy to rice it

>>59786440
i would disable those things, but i read that they are needed to keep the system from checking if windows is valid.
if i manage to dual boot, will the botnet on the cracked windows be able to diddle my stuff on the ubuntu partition?

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I just installed Antergos and like it so far, if I don't run into any major things that might put me off, I'd even consider getting a new PC and putting it there after a testing period.

Now, my question, what about the security? I've heard that Linux is a pretty safe system when compared to anything from Microsoft. But do I need to worry about viruses, malware, trojans, etc. as much as I used to on Windows?
And is there truly any need for AVs like ClamAV?

I'm paranoid and new to this and don't know what to do, yes. Appreciating any nice and helpful comments.

>>59786427
>>59786445
In my town "Installing Ubuntu" means "I'm too stupid to install Debian"
How you can't install Debian?

>>59786479
it will be able to read/destroy it when unencrypted, destroy (eg ransom) when encrypted. even legal windows will be more vulnerable and will spy you.
Install only Linux and enjoy freedom.

>>59786517
What town is that?

>>59786517
I don't care enough
I want my system to work perfectly out of the gate, can't be asked to fiddle with some random config files, so Ubuntu Unity is perfectly fine for me
And because 16.04 is an LTS, I'll be able to use it for 4/5 years

>>59786425
omg i opened up task manager and i have the same. does this mean chinese people can see all the anime I'm watching?

>>59786532
chernobyl

>>59786517
Why would I WANT to install Debian?

>>59786517
dude, i switched to debian shortly after i realized what is going on.
now i use gentoo.

>>59786398
iso sizes are meaningless.

>>59786537
delet system32. if it wont work or yo PC will brick install GNU/Linux

>>59786566
uh, I just googled this and they said you can't delete this file because it is required for windows to run. i need windows to play games.

>>59786515
AV is always good option.
yes, GNU/Linux have much less vulnerabilities and its less popular so makin malware is harder and less profitable.

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>>59786173
Pls help, this is making me sad

>>59786629
>i need windows to play games.
what games?

>>59786650
Windows 10 Candy Crush

>>59786561
Do you have some more representative numbers handy?

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Hi, I will admit I'm new to Linux. But how do I make it so that I can have email and IM open so that I wont have to see it at the top. I dont want a lot of items cluttering the screen, but I will pretty much always need to have email and IM open 24/7.

Also, cmus is doing this weird thing where instead of playing in the albums it just plays random tracks, It was working fine before and I checked to see that continue=true.

>>59786544
Even if you want Unity you can install it on Debian or Gentoo.
https://youtu.be/PBiUSCrgkB4?t=5777
Why debian? If you like apt then use Debian, debian community is not shithole like ubuntu.In debian you have 4 rolling releases: oldstable stable testing unstable, you don't have tons of software out of the box, you decide what you need.
>>59786546
Can you write ebuilds?
Don't you think that phython was bad language for package manager?

>>59786650
mostly ffxiv, overwatch, csgo, and other single player games

how can I securly play my chinese flash animations on gno/lunix?

>>59786719
a) see if your email and im clients have a minimize to tray option
b) use an alternate workspace

>>59786735
stahp the namefaggery

>>59786747
>securly
>flash
impossible

>>59786719
I recommend getting accustomed with workspaces.

>>59786735
>4 rolling releases
You don't even know what that's supposed to mean

>>59786783
its rolling from one release to the other release

is arch testing more bleeding edge than arch?
i want the bloodiest edge software, what do

>>59786792
Those are version upgrades and the opposite of a rlling release.

>>59786783
instead of big releases every now and then (like windows 7 -> 8 -> 10) the packages are continuously updated as they come out

>>59786818
Fedora

>>59786737
You can play in CS:GO on GNU/Linux. Overwatch probably can run under lastest version of wine/playonlinux.

>>59786829
Fedora Rawhide*

>>59786735
>Can you write ebuilds?
learning. im new to gentoo .
>>59786735
>Don't you think that phython was bad language for package manager?
i dont know. bash + python is turbo portable.

>>59786829
>>59786837
*tips distro*

>>59786818

Yes, I recommend use arch testing, and immediatly report a bug if something went wrong.
Whats the point in arch if not this testing release? Otherwise software old as fuck.

>>59786834
I'm pretty sure Overwatch doesn't run well in Wine yet. I think he should dual-boot for that.

>>59786842
>i dont know. bash + python is turbo portable.
Java is also super fucking portable, doesn't mean I'd want to write a package manager in it

>>59786869
dont get yo point... u mean its slow?

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>>59786630
I've also added uMatrix and uBlock to my browser and forbid scripts, flashes, etc.
That should be good, right?

What about the AUR and packages? Anything I should know before going wild? I try to avoid getting things from the AUR, is that good? I just don't want any malicious scripts or things that can break my computer.

Excuse my questions, it's just this new environment feels strange to me and I don't know what to do, there's so many possibilities and I'm overwhelmed, I used Windows all my life. I basically just want to use it like a casual end user would, no excessive coding/scripting etc. involved, just browsing the net, chatting, downloading anime, playing some games, etc.

>>59786912
Check your about:config. There's lots of stuff you may want to disable or enable.

>>59786755
>>59786772
Thanks bro, I have seen this been used before and thought it was extremely useful but I wasn't sure what it was called.

What GNU/news feeds/sites are you following to keep yourself up-to-date?

>>59786947
reddit

>>59786947
/g/.
whenever something slightly worrying happens within the linux ecosystem overspill from /v/eddit won't rest till they let me know

>>59786912
im not hacker :|
personally use noscript (with white list), disconnectMe, adblock, i have no flash.

my umask: g=r,o=
folders like Downloads have group "low" and gid. i use user "low" (in grp "low") to run media (kdesu) etc. im also going to create separated user 4 firefox and thunderbird (which is probably more imprtant than media...)
can any hardcore pro free |-|@c|<3r comment it?

>>59786947
/g/
https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/feed.rss
https://www.debian.org/security/dsa
sometimes
https://www.linux.com/feeds/rss

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> Where in the world is Richard Stallman?

Apr 11, 2017 03:00 PM East Lansing, MI Event Richard Stallman - "A Free Digital Society" (East Lansing, MI)
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>>59786842
C is very portable, but portability is not so important.
The thing is in GNU/linux system too many interpreters bash/sh/ruby/python2-3/perl/awk.
Ebuilds is holy shit, tar.gz is holy shit.
We need something different, something that you can easily add new package, fast dependency resolving.
I can easily write script that downlods and installs package, but not ebuild.
Package manager writen in C with sqlite for dependency resolving would be nice.

>>59786976
>linux ecosystem

>>59787008
uh im not power user...
>Ebuilds is holy shit, tar.gz is holy shit.
why?
>We need something different, something that you can easily add new package
IMO it can be solved on interface lvl (IDE plugins etc) without changing architecture.
>Package manager writen in C with sqlite for dependency resolving would be nice.
it sounds interesting. incompatibility between distros is annoying. something universal would be useful.

>>59787008
>http://www.tar.gz/
>server not found
nice

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>>59787107

>>59787107
>gz is not an existing TLD
Woops, my 2-minute-old plans to spend like $20 making a meme website are foiled

>>59782607
>Friendly
>Guy just asked something nicely
>Shit on him because of that
Kill yourself faggot

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Is Fedora "user-friendly" for someone coming from Win7? Are there still decent graphics drivers & some stuff that has GUI's?

>>59787217
no
the same as in any other distribution

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>>59787231
wroooong
>>59787217
dont listen to this goy. i did not use fedora but Ubuntu is idiot friendly.(my 1st distro)

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>2017
>using a distro with systemd

>>59787270
its free software man

>>59787270
uh flame war again

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can anyone recognize the terminal font used here?
I know it's not terminus (I use terminus)

>>59787270
what's wrong with systemd?

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>>59787217
Install arch

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>>59787297
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

>>59786912
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DNSCrypt

>>59787301
as far as i know arch is nice (configurable) but its not newfag friendly.
standard choise 4 new users is ubuntu or suse

>>59787305
>pic
kek

>>59787320
I will literally walk any fuck through the arch install who soys its too hard

>>59787297
botnet

>>59787340
im not talking about installation. as far as i know arch lack GUI tools, 4 newfags its lethal.

how do we save ourselves from systemd and prevent red hat from taking over the gnu/linux desktop?

>>59787372
Install gentoo

do graphics depend on the display server?

>>59787217
Fedora is a pretty friendly distro.

>>59787104
Becouse it's hard to fix something (but still I do fix things when I need whith zero knowledge).
Ebuilds is bad becouse you have many files with almost the same text, those files checks what's their name, I have no idea how to add new package actually.

People says that portage almost not maintainable. There is package manager written in C++ for gentoo, but it requires portage(*).
>tar.gz
This is shit becouse it's simpler (and faster) download sources with git.
>interface lvl
It's impissible, just look how different ebuilds can be.
https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/blob/master/app-accessibility/espeakup/espeakup-9999.ebuild
https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/blob/master/app-shells/bash/bash-4.4_p5-r1.ebuild
https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/blob/master/sys-devel/gcc/gcc-6.3.0.ebuild

Package managers compatable between distros mostly, you can install packman, apt, rpm on gentoo, but they will install packages in same directory by default.
Disadvantage of python is compatability between versions, I must have 2-3 versions of python on one system, it's annoying.

>>59787357
Arch has literally every other gui tool every other linux distro has, what the fuck are you talking about

>>59787406
What you mean?
Some apps have DRM-backend, so you can run it without display server on tty.
For example:
mpv -vo drm BillGatesAfterInstallingGentoo.webm

>>59787357
Arch doesn't lack GUI tools, you just need to install them if you want.

>>59787452
shit, I meant to say
>do graphics drivers depend on the display server
because I saw this
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/intel-rejection-of-ubuntus-mir-patch-forces-canonical-to-go-own-way/
if I made a different display server for example, do gfx drivers need to be patched?

>>59787406
But you need display server to run most of GUI apps (based on EFL, CLUTTER,GTK+3,QT5)
Display server is your DesktopEnvironment/WindowManager.
Install Display server that uses Wayland Display Server Protocol.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wayland#Window_managers_and_desktop_shells

>>59787471
No, it's opposite, display server depend on graphics driver.
You can't install display server without drivers, becouse you need opengl/gles/vulkan library and driver implementation first.
Mir is ubuntu-specific shit, nobody want's to support it becouse it's reinvention of the wheel (Wayland).

If you want to create new Display Server than here is the things you will interact with:
1. Wayland Display Server Protocol (Simple protocol).
2. Drawing library (Vulkan/Cairo/Anything else) I suggest to use something that supports Vulkan or will be, or use Vulkan directly.
If you don't want to draw anything than you don't need it.

>>59787292
It's Tamsynmod. You can pay me by creating a new thread.

>>59787471
No, it's opposite, display server depend on graphics driver.
You can't install display server without drivers, becouse you need opengl/gles/vulkan library and driver implementation first.
Mir is ubuntu-specific shit, nobody want's to support it becouse it's reinvention of the wheel (Wayland).

If you want to create new Display Server than here is the things you will interact with:
1. Wayland Display Server Protocol (Simple protocol).
2. Drawing library (Vulkan/Cairo/Anything else) I suggest to use something that supports Vulkan or will be, or use Vulkan directly.
If you don't want to draw anything than you don't need it.

So drivers don't need to be patched.

>pass fagging
>name fagging
REEE

>>59787604
>REEE
>>>/r/eddit/

>>59787604

>Anonymous gagging
Stop shitposting please.

Dank Thread: >>59787679

>>59787432
>I must have 2-3 versions of python on one system, it's annoying.
true.
>>59787432
>how different ebuilds can be.
so what?
>>59787432
>you can install packman, apt, rpm on gentoo
i know but databases with installed packages will be different so depedences will messup.

>>59787462
newfags need things work out of tha box.

lyl