ISP privacy rules are dead

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>Americans
kek

More the reason for always-on VPN at the router.

>le maymay president will make everything great

fucking kek

>>59739682
Great if you're an ISP. That's what he meant, right?

>>59739692
>>59739682
Love the cousin fucking rednecks who voted for him thinking that everything is gonna be great.

Yeah, for the companies.
>b-but muh jobs
Enjoy your coal mining, you assbackwards fuckwad.

Who fucking cares.

>>59739692
make everything great for wall street

>implying killary wouldn't have done the same

>>59739716
Two wrongs doesn't make a right

>>59739647
>freedom

>>59739715
>BUILD WALL (street)
It all makes sense now

>>59739716
Reality>Counterfactuals

>>59739724
I just wanted to point out there's no escape. Privacy will be dead until 2030 and there's absolutely nothing to do to prevent this.

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>>59739716
I know who wouldn't have...

>>59739707
Those strawmans though, I love how you still didn't learn that this attitude is what won him the election.

>>59739742
In America maybe yeah

>>59739647
In other news not a single journalist knows how to read privacy laws let alone the law they are talking about, but don't worry it has scary words and trump did it so we need to act like it's the end of the world.

>>59739766
Thanks for the heads up, Verizon.

>>59739777
lol

>>59739777
kek

>>59739757
So what shithole do you live in that'll still totally have "privacy"?

>>59739752

I love these headlines more than anything else in life at the moment, tbqh

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/upshot/why-trump-supporters-have-the-most-to-lose-with-the-gop-repeal-bill.html?_r=0
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/01/opinion/sunday/in-trump-country-shock-at-trump-budget-cuts-but-still-loyalty.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/business/coal-jobs-trump-appalachia.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/trump-budget-cuts.html

I honestly can't wait for the south/middle America to suffer under their choices. My liberal bubble in NYC isn't going to even slightly be affected, we have more than enough money to survive whatever cuts Trump may bring our way or "give the rights back to the state".

Y'all made your bed, now it's time to lie in it.

>>59739793
Wouldn't you like to know

> hurr hurr, le new tech lost its monopoly over user personal data

>>59739777
Nice trips anon.
>>59739766
>implying the rules were too cryptic for the layman citizen
It was actually pretty straightforward: starting 2018 ISPs were required your explicit consent to sell your data to third-parties. I can't understand how anyone could unironically be against that law...

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Firstly, they dont have the right to sell your browsing history, they have the right to sell your billing info. Anyone saying different is just outright lying. If you are outraged about this, you should be losing your shit over the info that your bank and credit card company sell.

Secondly, the rules that were repealed wernt even in effect yet, obama tried to stick in an attempt to get them in right before he was kicked out of office. They would of never been approved so he passed the buck to the next guy to take the blame even though his entire term those rules were never in effect.

>>59739887
Oke Verizon

>>59739887
>don't take my memes

>>59739887
Thanks for correcting the record, Ivan.

>>59739682
The thing people forgot is that they weren't voting for Trump or Hillary. They were voting for republicans or democrats. I agree that Hillary is complete shit but at least the democrats aren't fucking retarded backward dinosaurs who can't keep up with the modern world.

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>>59739647
>Allowed by bush: no one cares
>Furthered by Obama: no one cares
>Furthered by Trump: OH MY FUCKING GOD IT'S LITERALLY HITLER DRUMPF BTFO

>>59739887
>le may may arguement

T-Mobile's privacy policy explicitly states they share a "'''''''''de-identified'''''''' profile of your web-browsing or application use activity. So does AT&T and Verizon has a long-standing bulk collection of websites visisted, applications purchased, downloaded, etc. And that Verizon clearly states they "customize ads based on "your visits over time to different non-Verizon websites"

The repeal of the law now allows Verizon to automatically assume your consent to this.

>>59739972
Again, how many fucking times do we need to state two wrongs don't make a right. Why the fuck are you defending the erosion of your privacy for profit? It's literally not even a loss of privacy for safety, it's directly so your information can pay some other dude's million-dollar sallary

>>59739975
Shoot, they know I use 4chan.

>>59740010
>suddenly you start receiving dragon dildos ads

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So the ISP can sell the proprietary (data) for they clients without asking for the same? Kek.

>>59739991
How come you didn't give a flying fuck until LE DRUMPF did it? Fuck off dipshit and kill yourself.

Boy, NSA is working hard wIth these anti trump threads everyday

Drumpftards will defend this.

>>59740466
NSA will shill this

>>59739802
>Smug Reddit left cuck elitism

Literally the entire reason all of us normal people hate you sheltered newfag fuckwits.

Have fun with another 4 years thanks to dumbasses like you. I'm sure you actually think Cunton would've been better.

>>59739657
This.

The rest of the world is fine, just move out.

>>59739975
It's already in the ToS.

>>59739716
Why would Hillary repeal privacy protections put in place by Obama? Especially when all the Democrats in the House and Senate Voted against this bill.

>>59739647
Top cuck

>>59740507
>Has nothing left to defend Drumpf with
>Brings up irrelevant people
Republicans folks.

>>59740612
Because I'm not defending trump dumb fuck I'm attacking you smug elitist lefty cuckolds.

>Irrelevant people

Like the only other choice? If you're smugly attacking the "dumb rednecks" who voted Trump you must think there's a valid alternative. If not Hillary than Jill Steinberg or Aleppo.

>>59739709
Be honest, would you let your ISP sell your nudes without permission?

>>59740612
Your inability to correctly spell the name of the current president of the United States undermines your argument. Run along to the kid's table.

>>59739972
>implying haven't cared about shit like this since Clinton was president
I can see past (R)s and (D)s. Can you?

>>59740372
false. people already cared. maybe youd know if you werent living under a rock.

>>59739671
recommendations?

>People are going to steal your car anyway, so what's wrong if it's made legal?

Drumpf supporters in a nutshell today

Really embarrassing

>>59740665
>complaining about an insult like that
>on 4chan
It seems you are the one who should be running along to the kiddie table.

I'm convinced these threads are spammed by lefty shills

There's a point where it went from being believable trolling and baiting to obvious shilling and that was 500 reposted versions of the same fucking shit every single fucking day for the past fucking month and a half

I'm tired of this shit

get the fuck off my board you cucks I want to talk about technology not how deep trumps dick is up your ass

>>59740646
1. I'm not the guy you were arguing with before so fuck off.

2. Suck it up and accept that Trump is fucking up.

>>59740665
Aww did I hurt your feelings? Better go back to your safe space >>>/pol/ and r/T_D

>>59740798
No shit trump is fucking up you stupid ape i didn't say he wasn't. Every president we have ever had has fucked up in my eyes to some degree moron.

If you're not who I was talking to before don't get your fucking panties in a bunch on your chastity cage you little fag when you respond like you are.

>>59740838
>Attacking "leftists" because you don't care about any of this

Are you actually retarded?

>>59739975
>The repeal of the law now allows Verizon to automatically assume your consent to this.
Nope, rules like that you consent to when you use shitty carriers, it has nothing to do with this ruling. They have done it since the beginning and at no point did they stop, so nothing has changed.

>>59740791
>I'm convinced these threads are spammed by lefty shills
oh wow do you watch infowars too? sure you are also convinced that climate change is a hoax! retard...
This law just got signed by the president. If this thread makes your ass hurt you can move back to /r/le_donald, faggot.

>>59740867
I do care about this dumb ass but I'm not a deluded fag who thinks "hurr drumpf" is the first or only person who would do dumb shit as president and I'm confident I made a good decision voting for him over fucking Hillary.

>>59739671
And now it's the VPN service that's selling your data! Surprise!

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For a tech board this place sure is full of tech illiterate redditors

Does anyone else think it's funny how all the people arguing in favor of this bill aren't actually giving any reason for why it's a good thing and instead are just trying to do damage control and posting about how it isn't that bad?

>>59741277
>what Obama did was give that right to certain companies and ban others from doing the same
No, what he did was ban the companies that he was within his power to ban from doing so. Those companies also happen to be the ones you can't easily opt out of or replace with another company due to local monopolies. The FCC doesn't have the authority to go after websites, so expecting websites to be covered by the FCC's privacy rules is retarded.

>>59741390
Explain how this bill would have changed anything and not be circumvented with a ToS agreement.

>>59741096
And I'm confident you're a retard

>>59741544
Wow not an argument shocking.

Lurk more redditor.

>>59741448
Worst case scenario it would still have required ISPs to give more details about what data they're collecting/selling. Are you saying that transparency about what ISPs do with your personal data is a bad thing? Also, do you have any actual reasons why getting rid of the FCC's privacy rules is a good thing?

>>59741277

That guy mentioned Facebook, but Facebook isn't an ISP.

However Comcast, AT&T, Time Warner, etc ARE ISPs and they were also regulated by the FCC.

So instead of just websites being able to sell your web history, now your ISP can sell ALL of your internet traffic (torrenting, streaming, browsing, location, maybe even key logging)

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>>59741570
>more details

You know that little "send anonymous usage data to XXX" in browsers? That's the same thing, except you can't opt out. A ToS agreement shits all over this useless law, especially since a lot of areas do not have competitors. What are you gonna do, NOT sign it and be internetless?

>>59741593
>now
The law never went into effect. Nothing has changed.

You guys are outraged over nothing. This is all political shitflinging designed to make you angry at the President at the behest of the Democrats.

>>59741624
>b-but muh ToS
More ISP transparency on the issue of data collection = better threat modeling for people trying to protect themselves from said data collection. Now again, do you have any actual reasons why getting rid of the FCC's privacy rules is a good thing?

NSA, get the fuck out. Stop undermining trump

>>59741624

>the law never went into effect

source? If it never went into effect then what's the point of the repeal?

> drumpf
> drumpf
> drumpf
> drumpf
So much racism, tolerant liberals on their best

>>59741726
The NSA will be stopped

>>59741726
>complaining about racism
>on 4chan
Fuck off you worthless nigger.

>>59739647
>Posting old twitter-trained and morbidly obese orangutan

This is bestiality free board, fyi

>>59741688
No, it's not more "transparent". You can assume everything you do under an ISP is being sold to advertisers (anonymously, of course).

And as I said, it's a useless law that is easily circumvented with a contract. If there was more competition among ISPs then maybe it would have some value, but that won't be the case for a long time. Your bitching about the FCC has little relevance.

>>59741716
It's literally in OP's post.

>would have
It was an Obama regulation that didn't really do anything. Trump campaigned against aggressive regulations so this fits his agenda.

Ultimately nothing has changed. The media is acting like it's the end of the world, as usual. All they want you to do is hate Trump.

>>59741558
>he thinks he provided an argument

Go back to /pol/

>>59741758
>>59741777
Fuck off NDA

>>59741777
I literally did you fucking moron. The only argument presented to me was "hurr dumb rednekcs will regret voting for drumpf!".

>>59741758
> nigger
But you lefties meant to be progressive liberals shitting butterlfies. What's happened, are you the same evil nazis as a fucking wh*te male?

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>>59739972
>people finally begin to care

>HURDUR U R ALL RETARDS NOW

this picture is you

NSA niggers, leave now. You won't win

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>>59741770
>No, it's not more "transparent".
That is literally the dictionary definition of transparency. Here's an article on it so you can stop embarrassing yourself when you post here doing damage control for Trump:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_%28behavior%29

>>59741830
You're obsessed over semantics, the clear sign of a loser.

Either way, Trump is President and you're very butthurt.

>>59741806
>implying
>>59741822
The only argument presented to me was "hurr durr other presidents did it stop yelling at trump durfff".

>>59741770

Okay, I see what you're saying. That makes more sense.

>>59741847
You're from the NSA, don't deny it. You're trying to undermine trump and overthrow freedom further.

>>59741847
That wasn't me who said that anyway you fuckwit.

I was responding to the guy acting like trump voters are dumbasses and implying there was a better choice. there wasn't.

All presidents do stupid horrible shit, this shouldn't be surprising to anyone unless you're 14 years old.

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>>59741866
This. We got traitor agencies.

>>59741852

And for anyone else who is confused about this whole thing, this is all taken directly from the article...hopefully the article is accurate and valid.

>The FCC privacy rules
would have required home Internet and mobile broadband providers to get consumers' opt-in consent before using, sharing, or selling Web browsing history, app usage history, and other private information.
>The opt-in provision could have taken effect as early as December 4, 2017.

>Without such rules, ISPs can analyze their customers' Web browsing history in order to deliver personalized advertisements without seeking their prior consent. This doesn't have to involve the sale of browsing data:
ISPs who operate their own advertising networks (such as Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon) would be able to sell targeted ads without sharing their customers' browsing history with third parties.

But ISPs without their own ad networks could also contract with third parties and share browsing data with them. The FCC rules would have required ISPs to gain customers' opt-in consent before using or sharing their browsing data for any purpose. ISPs have pledged to let customers opt out of personalized advertising but oppose the opt-in requirement.

>>59739647
its just a meme, bro trump wont actually get in

>>59741883
I don't entirely approve is trump, but what the NSA and CIA are doing are not cool.

>>59741866
Kek
>>59741875
Nobody is surprised dipshit, they're rightfully upset.

>there wasn't a better choice
Hmm perhaps the candidate that wasn't anti-net neutrality :thinking:

>>59741885

Also it doesn't mention if this 'opt-in' was a true volunteer program or just a few lines in a long TOS. My guess is the latter.

>>59741911
kek all you want shill, but I see through your psyops. You won't fool me.

>>59739752
being mean to people who deserve it won him the election? that sounds like sound reasoning and not just emotional rationalization.

>>59741911
Yeah let's vote for the candidate who is anti gun, more hawkish than Trump and far worse in every other way because of net neutrality.

Please kill yourself for suggesting fucking Hillary. Honestly hope you do you stupid Reddit piece of shit

>:Thinking:

Back to fagbook

full damage control

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>>59741985
yes, very damage control

>>59740512
>>59739657

You do realize this sets up a precedent for the civilized world right?

First the US, then the UK and then the rest of countries.

This is hardly the last attack to our privacy.

>>59741969
It was an NSA thought control shill. They're usually intruding on websites with newspeak and modified facts

>>59741969
>she's worse than trump for reasons I can't substantiate besides whatever bullshit comes to my mind
>muh guns

>can't into memes
Yeah you ARE actually retarded

>>59739707
I agree, but don't knock cousin-fucking.

>>59741969
more hawkish? damn...

>>59739647
p-praise k-kek
/pol/ is fucking trash now filled with plebbitors circlejerking about Trump all day long

>>59741969

>anti-gun

lol, here we go again.

If we actually stuck to the letter of the law on the Constitution, we would allow inmates in federal prisons to carry firearms.

>shall not be infringed

Anyone, everywhere should be able to carry a gun, of whatever caliber. Felon, pacifist, treasonist, whoever, all should be able to pack heat.

>>59741969
>anti-gun
I guess advocating to keep guns out of the hands of irresponsible people is a bad thing?

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>>59742045
>>59742057
SHALL

>>59741969
>anti gun
That's a good thing
>more hawkish than Trump
?
>far worse in every way
[citation needed]

So this... is the power of the redpill?

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>>59741825
>Not caring from the beginning
>When Bush introduced the PATRIOT act
Who's the retard now?

>>59739707
Hey now, I may be a cousin fucker (she's great), but I never though that for one second. Never even voted since that shit turned into meme politics.

>>59739841
There won't be any plans in which your data is not collected.

>>59742061
>god given rights
Oh man I'm laughing

>>59742093
It's literally in the Constitution. Go tip your fedora elsewhere, spergoid.

>>59742045
>If we actually stuck to the letter of the law on the Constitution, we would allow inmates in federal prisons to carry firearms.

>a well regulated Militia
>WELL REGULATED

we are supposed to regulate it

("militia" is collectively referring to private citizens who own guns, if you read up on the constitutional debates)

>>59739707

tell me again what's wrong with wrecking my cousin's vag after a long days work in the mines?

>>59742096
Yeah no shit. Piece of paper written 300 years ago ill adapted for modern society

Thanks /pol/ you literally killed the internet.

>>59741969
fuck off stop sucking Trumps cock faggot
A much as I hat the left of today, they aren't any different than the meme right we have right now

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>>59742117
As long as you're honest about wanting to destroy the Constitution, traitor.

>>59739968
>globalism

>>59742045
>we would allow inmates in federal prisons to carry firearms.
That's not how arrests and prison sentences work legally.

>Felon, pacifist, treasonist, whoever, all should be able to pack heat.
I honestly don't have a problem with felons owning guns. I think people should have their full rights restored after serving their time. I also think prisons should focus more on rehabilitation like they do in Europe.

I also think Trump is a dumbass who shouldn't be in charge of the country and voted against him in the general election.

>>59742098
>we are supposed to regulate it
"regulated" means in good working order or well equipped/trained in that context.

>>59742134
>populism
>globalism
both fucking shit

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>>59740665

>>59742133
I don't want to destroy it. I want to fix.

>>59739841
http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15115382/buy-congress-web-history-gop-fake-internet-privacy


You can not buy a specific persons data.

Any data sold can't even have identifying information linking it to you.

Your ISP is doing nothing different than what Google and other big tech companies have been doing for years now via exploiting browsers.

>>59742001
>Guns aren't important
>No fly zone and provocation isn't important

Wow you're one gigantic dumb fuck

Please never breed. Of course I guess there isn't worry of that you're 99 percent likely to be an impotent nu male shitskin.

>>59742174
Okay, let's get rid of that pesky First Amendment and make left-leaning ideologies illegal.

Also anyone suspected of being a Marxist, Socialist or Communist will be sentenced to death.

>>59740718
I bought a VPS from RamNode in Norway. I setup my own OpenVPN instance and have my DD-WRT router act as a client. ALL traffic on the router gets sent to the VPN.

>>59742072
>that's a good thing

I'd honestly kill you myself if it were legal.

>>59742129
You're a dumb fucking faggot I've been criticizing this all thread not defending trump you limp dick fence sitting retard.

>>59742187
>putting words in my mouth

Go fuck yourself

>>59741969
>"At least he's more pro-gun and less hawkish"
A good excuse. For most people on /k/ or /pol/, I guess. It doesn't appeal to me, however.

ISPs being free to sell data is just one more brick in the invasive campaign against personal privacy. I don't give a shit about guns. I give a shit about faceless corporations being free to sift through information regarding where I go and what I do, on principle.
I don't even care if they baked the reality of what they do now into the Terms of Service and there was no other way to access the internet without accepting it, essentially changing nothing. Every inch matters in the war for personal privacy, and forcing them to tell you what they are going to do is a victory. A major one, in my view.

Good luck with your guns and hawks. I couldn't care less.

2 groups in this thread

one trying to figure out what happened

the other just full of shills and damage control

>>59742195
I said fix not destroy.

>>59742198
>Norway
whats the latency?

>>59742222
I am fixing it.

BTW you are acting like a commie, keep it up and you will be hanged.

>>59742205
I listed those reasons and you acted like they weren't important dumb fuck. You literally said guns weren't important.


>>59742212
>I don't care about base rights or going to war and people getting killed or even drafted just about the internets

All of it's important especially your base rights like the second amendment.

One day you'll grow up and get out of the basement you edgy little 15 year old fuck and then maybe you'll understand.

>>59742227
I don't know why it's so low, but it adds about 60ms, round trip. Which is easily doable for me because my ping to begin with to average servers was in the single digits. so a total of ~70ms overall isn't bad since I don't play FPS/MOBA.

>>59742215
Yeah, I just want to know what's going on and these Trump cocksuckers won't stop shilling their obese retard.

>>59742237
You listed reasons that you made up. Hillary wasn't anti gun. She was anti-unregulated guns. Go fucking read her gun policies before complaining.

>>59742073
So true, man

>>59742287
>unregulated guns

Are they black and scary?

>>59742267
T. Pajeet who just lost his h1b

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At least the porn sites are on our side, right?

>>59742287
Don't bother arguing with them. All the /pol/ shitposters have mental disorders so Hillary's law would've prevented them from owning guns and shooting up schools when their mommy didn't give them GBP

>>59741992
except EU rules already explicitly forbid this, they are retty kewl when it comes to consumer privacy..
In the UK we're fucked though, soon as brexit happens we're going on a wild law-changing spree that I guarantee will be more fucked up than anything Trump has done.

>>59742287
Holy fuck you're stupid. She went as far as to wanting victims of gun crime to be able to sue gun manufacturers. I guess places like Australia aren't anti gun either in your fucked up view?

Jesus Christ please read the second amendment and the right little pissants like even you are supposed to have in this country.

Makes me sick little kids like you are so willing to give them away, to the point of begging to have them taken and voting them away.

Places like nyc that had registration shortly after had confiscation. Pro gun regulation is anti gun.

>>59742175
>Any data sold can't even have identifying information linking it to you.

Ill take metadata for 1000 alex

>>59742299
Yeah, because everybody having easy access to guns is good for society, or can totally help you fight the powa.

>>59742309
>Porn distributors are Democrats

hmm made me think...

>>59739657
LAND OF THE FREE HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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>>59742287
>But da guns are evil guys ban those black rifles and no one will be hurt ever again :+((( love trumps hate sweetie ;((((

>>59742337
Switzerland has plenty of guns, in fact gun usage is mandatory and they don't have any problems.

It's almost as if we have a certain demographic that frequently "chimps out".

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>>59742323
Please tell me how any of this seems unreasonable.

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>>59742337
>>59742311
>>59742287
>Guns are the real problem guys!
>Now let's cater to niggers and get more third world immigrants

>>59742374
Go buy a gun kid background checks already exist at every ffl

No fly zone is a list youre put in without due process and that would mean violating your base rights without due process

The loophole effectively would ban giving guns to family or others and selling them privately without going through an ffl or some registry

The last one is akin to me suing a knife manufacturer because someone stabbed me with their blade

Please hang yourself soon .

Do you think there will ever bee free as in free beer internet? The way google is free, no monthly fees. In exchange for spying you, you'd get free internet. Do you think it's possible?
This is why I'm not completely against all this spying, advertising stuff, if I get something in exchange it might be worth it. And even then I could just find a technical solution on not giving them my info or giving them false info.

>>59742374
>No Fly No Buy
Literally anyone can be put on that list for any reason with no due process. In fact some Senators got on it for "mysterious" reasons.

>Gun Show loophole
Full retard.

>Allowing people to sue manufacturers
Full retard times 100. That's like allowing people to sue a manufacturer if someone hits you with a car.

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>it's the guns guys
>Diversity is our strength!

>>59742374
>make gun manufacturers responsible for the things people do with their guns
How the fuck does that make any sense whatsoever?

>>59742407
>>59742417
>>59742422

So you only have legitimate arguments against the last policy. That's expected.

>>59742431
>I can't read

Typical liberal

>>59742442
No I read. Like I said, only have legitimate arguments against the last policy.

>>59742421
Weird, can I also see an excel graphic like that that shows income per race too? jc

>>59742451
So you're fine with no due process and the stripping of rights for anyone, anytime for any reason?

>>59742370
>>59742407
>>59742421
It's almost as if the economic deck is stacked against them, so they are far more likely to resort to crime to make ends meet.

Unfortunately, this country hates minorities more than it cares about helping the poor find opportunities. Puts a lot of policy decisions since the 80's in to perspective.

>>59742469
I have enough faith in the system for this not to be grossly abused. I don't wear a tinfoil hat every time I go outside. Guarantee the vast majority of the people on the No-Fly list are on there for legitimate national security reasons.

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>>59742431
Are you retarded?

>>59742453
Adjusted for income they still commit disproportionate crime. The poorest white area is less criminal than the richest black one.

thread successfully derailed I see

>>59742502
>hurrr are you stupid
Nice response.

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>>59742483
>It's almost as if the economic deck is stacked against them

Black majority areas always go to shit, even Africa. You can't blame Whitey for everything.

>>59742498
>I have enough faith in the system for this not to be grossly abused.

Top kek, you're really a naive child. This is why you shouldn't be in charge.

By the way, if you share the name of someone on a No Fly List, you're on it too. Sure sucks for John Smiths!

>>59742483
>It's da socio economic stance we dindunuffin gives me them programs

Look at the crime rates listed here:
>>59742407


African Americans have far better conditions than those African countries yet they have the same murder rates.

It's almost like their violence is genetic.

Imagine that.

>>59741245
Obviously. It's all bringing a new meaning to open architecture.

>>59742411
Pretty sure that's what some billionaires had in mind for the poverty ridden sectors of India a while back. If you are dealing with encrypted sites all they collect is the url I guess but who really knows. Internet and Internet of Things is rapidly turning into a massive spook fest ridden with hardware backdoors and a weird global fascist bent.

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>>59742483
> You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

> Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites

> Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites

> Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites

>>59742498
I just put you on a no fly list for being a faggot and there's nothing you can do about it, kiddo

>>59742525
>Top kek, you're really a naive child. This is why you shouldn't be in charge.

>>>/x/

>>>/r/conspiracy

>By the way, if you share the name of someone on a No Fly List, you're on it too. Sure sucks for John Smiths!

I sure hope so.

>>59742544
Nice one.

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>>59742560
>PEOPLE WOULD NEVER ABUSE THEIR POWER IN GOVERNMENT

Ironic you say this in the middle of the Susan Rice scandal happening right now.

>unconditionally shilling on a anime website for a moron billionaire president who doesn't even know your first name
>not a cuck
Pick one and one only, Trumptards

>>59739716

At the rate this is going you might end up being shot point blank by Trump and argue that there's no evidence Hillary wouldn't have done the same.

>>59742584
>PEOPLE WOULD NEVER ABUSE THEIR POWER IN GOVERNMENT

Putting words in my mouth. Again.

>>59742525
>Black majority areas always go to shit, even Africa. You can't blame Whitey for everything.
Yeah, it's not as if we had colonized and oppressed them for a century, and then left them twisting in the wind.

>>59741558
>Wow not an argument shocking.
Ok MolyMeme

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>>59742587
go #resist somewhere else, numale

2nd amendment is a constitutional right you niggers.

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>>59742527
What do african countries and African Americans in the US have in common? They were both oppressed for an extended period of time, and then given absolutely no help once they finally successfully fought for their rights.

Pic related, except that applies to former colonies too.

>>59742601
Why were they still in mud huts before big bad whitey came?

>>59742613
Go inhale Trump's balls somewhere else, you obsequious cuck

>muh cheeto jesus will never betray me
loser cuck faggot

>>59742615
>well regulated militia
>militia
>well regulated
>REGULATED
REGULATED

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>>59742633

Trump supporters are all cucks looking for a daddy figure and Trump was the closet thing, that's really sad and pathetic if you think about it.

>>59742622
Ahahaha what is affirmative action.

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>>59742644
Pajeet you shouldn't be shitposting on /g/ right now, ICE is looking for you

>>59742642
Only faggots vote for an idiot like Trump and beg for seconds.

Trump voters are such cucks they would let Trump shit in their mouths if they thought liberals would smell it.

>>59742639
See >>59742138, the word used to mean something different. Now stop derailing this thread to be about guns.

>>59742639
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON. Gun control is unconstitutional

>>59742663
Cuck Trump supporter, go gargle your cheeto jesus' orange balls, he says it's necessary to Make America Great Again

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>>59742665
Tell me more about how butthurt you are.

>>59742667
Nice bullshit off the head interpretation. That said required training IS regulation.

>>59742672
Except it says it right under the 2nd amendment.

>ITT: /pol/acks get so BTFO on their talking points that they start false flagging as anti gunners to derail the thread

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>>59742678

>>59742622
Holy shit you're naive.

Every single African country there was oppressed by whitey? Black people get no help in this country? Do you understand how different med school GPA requirement are for blacks compared to Asians or whites? Affirmative action?

>>59742624
Because the Renaissance and then out of that the Industrial Revolution happened to have occurred in Western Europe, which gave way to modern civilization on the order of centuries, a relative blink of an eye compared to all of human history.

>>59742679
Tell me more about how you unconditionally support Trump no matter what and how this doesn't make you an obsequious cuck.

>>59742704
So what was Tyrone doing in the meantime?

Eating monkeys? Drinking cow piss?

>>59742699
>>59742654
>implying they're not nearly centuries behind in terms of freedom and availability to resources compared to whites.

kekkles

>>59742697
>slurp slurp slurp glub glub glub look I'm making america great again!!!

>>59742714
Blacks live in the same country as us and have access to the same things and they still have the same murder rate as third world nations filled with their people.

>>59742342
>>59739657
>>59740512

How are you nanny staters enjoying your freedom to bear arms? Better buy some lube for when your government comes in to take your child porn way.

Now is the time to own an ISP or work for the Trump administration to help keep privacy.

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>>59742714
>freedom
Oh man, that oppressive Africa! Invisible walls everywhere!

>availability to resources
Africa is rich in resources all year long. It doesn't suffer from freezing winters unlike what Whites and Asians had to endure.

>>59742654
>>59742699
Exactly why it's necessary, and racists who don't actually understand how the hiring process works have been trying to roll it back since the moment such policies were enacted. You're not going to erase centuries of inequity over the course of a few decades, come on now, don't be naive.

>>59742727
>>59742739

Yeah NOW they do. You're just like all those other retards that act like these adjustments don't take time.

>>59742743
>>59742749
problem is that Affirmative Action is inherently racist.

IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE BUT ABOUT CLASS

>>59742749
Even rich blacks want to keep there people "behind" why the fuck do you think they rap about selling drugs and gang banging and shooting other blacks

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>>59742749
What? Africa has always been resource rich.

How did Africans never get past the Stone Age despite having easy access to all of these resources? Whites and Asians had to deal with harsh winters while Arabs had to deal with droughts and intense heat.

What is the Africans' excuse?

>>59742788
They were too busy being niggers to advance.

>>59742767
Because that shit sells to insecure white kids who want to seem cool.

>>59740791
What kind of cognitive dissonance are you and your faggot pals suffering to think that there cannot be genuine dislike/criticism of Trump from both side when there were literally more people voting for Killary and that somehow Trump's great wisdom and vision will be in line with some basement dwelling neckbeards'? Fucking kek.

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>>59742788
Mansa Musa was the richestan wtf WE WUZ and shietttt

>>59742711
You're surprised how an event that fundamentally shifted the course of human civilization started in one place, and didn't happen simultaneously across the globe?

Because that's how history shook out, you moron.

I don't think it helped that our way of spreading these great ideas of enlightenment wasn't "Hey, check this out, it's a great idea", but "Because you're genetically inferior due to our tenuous understanding of genetics, say goodbye to your way of life, you work for us now" and then the petulant "Oh, you don't like us? Fine, here's your shitty country back, figure it out yourself."

>>59742749
>>59742743

Yes blacks are literally the only race who have faced hardship right?

>>59742763
YOU CAN'T SEPARATE CLASS FROM RACE! THE GOP POISONED THE WELL ON THIS ALREADY!

Read >>59742541

Racist voters have proven again and again that they are willing to vote against their best interests because they figure it will hurt minorities more.

>>59742851
no but in the context of this discussion white people need to stop pretending like they didn't have some influence the current state of the black population in the states.

>>59742727
Do you live in some ghetto lol

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>>59742837
Nice dirt castle

>>59742842
What event? I'm asking what the fuck were Africans doing while Whites, Asians and Arabs were all advancing throughout the ages.

I'll even accept a "we wuz space kangs" argument at this point. Give me something.

>>59742866
You idiot the current generation has had no hardship and is actually worse than before. Look at South Africas state under whites versus blacks.

Lots of trolls in this thread

>>59742875
>no hardship
Relatively

>ignoring generational impacts of oppression
You're being disingenuous.

>>59742851
If you were born black, but everything else about your life was the same, you would have a harder time in life than if you hadn't.

Racism is the original sin of our country. Affirmative action isn't fair, but egalitarianism doesn't work because implicit biases are a bitch.

How did this thread go from trump to guns to racism?

>>59742910
Because pol

>>59742858
yeah pretty much, I play vidya with a diabetic friend in alabama who voted republican because of "muslims" even though I don't think he's met a single muslim in his entire life.

>>59742117

This. Hate speech (for example) is running rampant under Freedom of speech.

>>59742893
>Relatively

You're kidding?

Holodomor
Holocaust
China
Etc.

Please off yourself Tyrone.

>>59742897
Yes making it trivially simple in comparison to get a college education and med school etc. So tough.

>>59742910
Because the problem isn't guns as evident by multiple statistics.

>>59742421
>>59742407

>>59742943
>You're kidding?

>Holodomor
>Holocaust
>China
>Etc.

>Shifting goalposts

I'm talking about black hardship in the past compared to now IN AMERICA.

Thank god I'm not American lol, lie in the grave you made boyz

>>59742910
The /pol/acks got repeatedly BTFO on their talking points that they've been rotating through since last night, so now they're resorting to just derailing these threads. The damage control for this issue that's getting posted everywhere is ridiculous.

>>59742910
You mean data collection to guns to racism?

>>59742957
The problem is the people that have access to them. Hence the regulations but lets ignore that.

>>59742968
But that isn't the point that's being made. Black murder and crime is horrible everywhere they reside dumbass.

Do you think the small amount of black slaves is a worse hardship than what the poles, Jews or Chinese overcame?

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>>59742990
>lose every argument
>claim victory anyway

Did you get one of these procedures done?

>>59742998
No idiot the problem is demographics who are genetically predisposed to being violent subhumans.

The white murder rate in this country is lower than fucking Canada even with all the guns.

You all continuously ignore the problem.

>>59742943
>Yes making it trivially simple in comparison to get a college education and med school etc. So tough.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but admission to college isn't fair for a variety of other reasons. The pool of qualified candidates is almost certainly larger than their admission standards. Affirmative Action's goal is to ensure that when you're sorting through that large pool of candidates, pick at least X people from various minority groups, not "pick X before Y, even though they're not qualified".

>>59743009
I can acknowledge that blacks have historically been more violent than other groups while also acknowledging that white people only exacerbated the issue since colonialism.

>>59742957
Yeah right, guns don't kill people, people kill people, so let's make guns as accessible as possible to everyone, indiscriminately, a human right, freedom etc.

>>59742990

Yeah no surprise /pol/ keeps being triggered

>>59742994
Don't act like this thread along with every single one like it over the past few days weren't about trump.

>>59743038
So pick people because of their race and not their individual qualifications?

>>59743041
We exacerbated the issue with colonialism by turning south Africa into a decent place that was ruined right when blacks took it over?

Every black country is the way it is because of whites?

>>59743050
Yes. The second amendment grants us the right to access firearms. Is this difficult to understand?

I can also defend myself with a firearm and as a white male the odds of me or one of my race commiting a crime with it are very rare.

>>59743021
Why don't you go back to your containment board?

>>59743025
>The problem isn't who has access to guns but it's those that have access to guns.

Do you want to rephrase that so you sound less retarded?

>>59743068
Like how you keep ignoring the fact that I'm talking about America.

>>59743055
I wasn't implying that it wasn't about Trump. Besides, he's the one that signed the bill.

>>59743072
Why don't you go back to your containment site, Reddit?

TECHNOLOGY

whenever pol whines just

SAGE AND REPORT

>>59743075
So one group creates problems because they're violent subhumans and we should blame the tool instead of them and make it difficult for everyone because of them and also give away our rights and liberty because of them?

>>59743094
It doesn't make a difference you moron as already posted blacks are the same everywhere.

Are all of those countries rates being the same as African Americans the fault of white men?

>>59743068
Sure, let's ignore the bigger picture all together, everything is well in US, no problem whatsoever with gun violence as long as guns for everyone.

>>59743142
There isn't a problem with gun violence as evidence by whites, who own a large amount of guns in the US, having the same or lower murder rates as other places with whites and far less access to guns.

How is this difficult for you?

>>59742990
No kidding. I usually stay away from threads that devolve into /pol/, but I'm not sure why I was so afraid of engaging them, they're mental midgets that just retreat to the same tired points over and over again, even after you've moved the conversation beyond them.

Unfortunately, I did eventually figure out why these boards are so shit these days. Because these boards are anon, and it's filled with NEETS with no jobs and people who think it's some sort of moral incentive to convince gullible anons about stupid bullshit. I can't compete with them. I've spent an hour or two out of my day stomping mudholes in their asses when I could have been programming or doing something fun.

Still won't stop me from posting, but I can't lose hours to these conversations.

>>59743121
>It doesn't make a difference you moron as already posted blacks are the same everywhere.

And that's where you're fucking argument falls apart. You can't just ignore the events that happen in a certain location simply because there are "similar" results elsewhere.

>So one group creates problems because they're violent subhumans

1. Gun violence while proportionally higher in blacks isn't exclusive to blacks

2. It doesn't fucking matter which race the gun owner is, point is guns shouldn't be in the hands of people who will misuse them.

>>59743068
>So pick people because of their race and not their individual qualifications?
No.

"While you're sorting through this list of supposedly qualified people which is larger than the number of people we can admit, be sure you pick at least X of various minority groups."

I don't understand how hard this is to comprehend.

>>59742175
The law the article is stating only applies to customer proprietary network information. Basically, data that your ISP needs to bill you. It doesn't say anything about internet activity.

>>59743170
>2. It doesn't fucking matter which race the gun owner is, point is guns shouldn't be in the hands of people who will misuse them.
And how will you solve this? Ban guns, hoping criminals who were going to break the law anyway turn them in?

>>59743184
REGULATIONS.

Background checks?!!

Cutting off loopholes that criminals can use to get their hands on weapons unchecked?

It's not that fucking hard to figure out.

People aren't trying to take away your guns. They're trying to minimize the chances of bad people getting their hands on them!

>>59743170
The blacks here have the same murder rates as blacks in multiple other listed countries. Answer my question, is this all the fault of whites?

>1.

Gun violence isnt a problem as posted the white murder rate is the same as in countries without easy access to firearms. If you were right why is it not much higher?

>2.

The government cannot be trusted to determine and put as many restrictions as you statists want on them. Especially for zero benefit to crime rates. As was even stated by an obama ordered CDC study you are welcome to read which found no correlation between gun control and crime rate.

>>59743178
The minority groups have less of a requirement to get in period. You can check med school GPA requirements and its lower.

So what you're saying is it's okay to lower the bar because there needs to be arbitrary amounts of blacks even if they're less qualified.

>>59743103
That was a sincere question, you can circlejerk all you want about Trump there, you can even go to r/donald if you wish, it's great there, no one would question why your new god emperor is selling your privacy away to the corporations, some may even do crazy mental gymnastics to justify it.

>>59743208
I'm sorry you lost the election, Hillary.

>>59743204
We already have relation and background checks moron. The amount of guns used in crimes acquired using the gunshow "loophole" is astronomically tiny.

You lack any knowledge on this subject yet you think yourself worthy to limit my liberty and rights. Pretty sad you're such an arrogant fuck.

>>59743221
>We already have relation and background checks moron

Only at government sponsored sellers.

>The amount of guns used in crimes acquired using the gunshow "loophole" is astronomically tiny.

Doesn't matter.

>You lack any knowledge on this subject yet you think yourself worthy to limit my liberty and rights.

Whatever makes you think your stance against regulations is justified.

>>59743121
You know that america gun violence is #1 among the developed country, assuming US is a developed country, even when you remove the ones committed by black people right?

>>59743151
You might wanna look up some valid sources and do some basic math, I have bad news for you.

Cool maybe I'll get coupons on yaoi and ar15 ammo...I'm a log cabin republican

>>59743162
>Because these boards are anon, and it's filled with NEETS with no jobs and people who think it's some sort of moral incentive to convince gullible anons about stupid bullshit.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some of it is actual shills or even bots at this point. If you want to subject yourself to going to reddit where you can actually look at other people's post histories you can find some trumptards hitting average post rates of a post every 3-4 minutes for hours at a time across multiple threads on multiple boards.

>>59743256
At every ffl it is legally required fool. The "gunshow loophole" being closed would mean I couldn't give my father or son a gun without paperwork and doing ffl transfers

The "loophole" Is rarely used by criminals.

>Doesn't matter

You've got to be kidding me.

Private transfers should be banned for no benefit is what you're saying.

>>59743259
Murder rate is important why do you focus so much on the tool? If white murder rate here is around 1.5 in 100,000 and a few people more we're murdered by guns instead of a knife or shovel what does that matter? Is that really justification to enact sweeping anti liberty laws and take away firearms?

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>>59743289
https://www.aei.org/publication/acceptance-rates-at-us-medical-schools-in-2015-reveal-ongoing-discrimination-against-asian-americans-and-whites/

>>59743206
>The minority groups have less of a requirement to get in period. You can check med school GPA requirements and its lower.
Quit hurriedly double-checking your talking points and comprehend what the fuck I'm telling you.

I'm telling you that collage admissions have a standard, and in general there is a wider talent pool than the number of admissions. If there wasn't one, there would be no application process and everybody who met the qualifications would get in.

Affirmative Action, applied properly, means that you ensure that you pick X number of minorities from the talent pool.

>>59739647
>there are people in this very thread, right now, who voted for this

>>59743346
The only reason they accept blacks as a whole is diversity quotas. Please learn to keep up kid.

You think it's entirely valid to force a certain number of x to be accepted simply based on race and not individual qualifications.

>>59743184
Holy shit anon, you are right. Thank you for reminding me US is a crime ridden shithole when every you approach a mid-size or larger city and banning guns (apparently the only option) will have the innocents robbed, raped and killed by the criminals the next day.

Feels good to live in Canada.

>>59742622
> learns history from retarded strips

>>59743361
The Canadian murder rate is actually higher than white American murder rate.

Really makes you think huh

>>59743361
Canadians are not human

>>59743379
don't cut yourself on that edge kid

>>59739752
aaawwww. Triggered little redneck explains why he v-voted t-rump....people were m-mean

>>59743293
Oh I have no doubt that there are some coordinated efforts behind these shills. A few of them have even been uncovered in the past.

>>59743219
I'm not even american but it is always fun to see you stereotypical americans attempt to defend a clown demagogue fucking your country and population over.

>>59743408
Nothing worse than a butthurt yuropoor

>>59743390
You are one massive pussy if you think that's edgy. You're a canadian do no surprise there.

>>59743308
Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks on buyers, whether at a gun show or other venue. They also are not required to record the sale, or ask for identification. This requirement is in contrast to sales by gun stores and other Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders who are required to record all sales and perform background checks on almost all buyers, regardless of whether the venue is their business location or a gun show. Access to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is limited to FFL holders and FFLs are not issued to persons that only sell firearms at gun shows.

>Private transfers should be banned for no benefit is what you're saying.

Private transfers without regulation should be banned yes. If you want a gun you should be processed like everyone else.

>>59742910
Because every single time you call the (((420D chess player))) they will slide the thread talking about muh e-mails and muh birth certificate. It's shilling 101.

>>59739752
>I love how you still didn't learn that this attitude is what won him the election.
Nah, he won the election because democrats had the establishment candidate and Trump was able to bullshit the rust belt that he would bring back their jobs. Boy are they in for a shocker.

>>59743435
Yes because requiring them to would mean I couldnt even gift a gun to a family member. Do you not understand this?

You're still ignoring the fact that the "gunshow loophole" has essentially no effect on how criminals acquire firearms.

>Private transfers without regulation should be banned

Alright let's do universal gun registration, no private transfers and the like like new York did for no effect on violent crime and then the government can come to confiscate the guns just like nyc tried to do.

You're deluded. You're still focused on guns this whole time like the autistic nigger you are even when throughout this thread it's been proven multiple times they aren't the issue and that gun control has not been effective at curbing crime at all in the united States.

You would undermine rights so easily for no benefit. Pretty disgusting.

>>59743443
I'm starting to think that there are genuinely people being paid to shill for Trump on 4chan.

There's no other explanation for why Trumpcucks are so obnoxious and persistent.

>>59743487
>still trying to rationalize not putting anyone who desires a firearm under a background check process.

I never knew someone could be this delusional.

>>59743308
Because a tool facilitate it, can't you see the force multiplier when you go from a knife or a shovel to a gun? How often do you see some HS kid shovel the entire class to death? Nice change of subject there too, really smooth. America has a gun problem, period, even if you exclude African-Americans as your fellow countrymen.

Anyway, this isn't what the thread is about. This is about Trump not being anti-establishment as many of his voters believed.

>>59743345
The minus black gun violence US's gun violence rate will be the same as any other developed country's.

>>59743511
Giving the government authority to lord over even giving a family member a firearm is a disgusting breech of our rights.

You already have background checks at every ffl and I have repeatedly told you that the gunshow "loophole" is not used to any meaningful degree by criminals acquiring guns.

You're trying to fix a problem that isn't even there.

>>59743534
The statistics prove you wrong when you check the actual numbers and rates that are the same or less as in other countries without guns.

Why do you keep ignoring this you fucking dumb animal?

America doesn't have a gun problem it has a nigger problem.

>>59743487
>>59743511
I'd also like to add that for some reason you seem to be under the assumption that these regulations are to get rid of guns instead of keeping them out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them. Whether they be blacks, hispanics, whites, whatever. This is a mindset I'll never understand about pro-gun advocates. If you can't wait a week or two for access to a gun then you should

1. Contact law enforcement.

2. Probably shouldn't have one to begin with.

>>59743371
Misleading statistics in service of buttressing your copy-pasted talking points are clearly superior.

No, wait, even better, gigantic images filled with arrows, 24 point font, and tiny screenshots of twitter posts.

>>59742728
Since your precious guns apparently solve every problem, are you going to use them to stop what Trump is doing to you?

lol, of course not. Stay cucked Tyrone

For any anti gun moron who wants to read what their king apes ordered study got them

http://www.gunsandammo.com/politics/cdc-gun-research-backfires-on-obama/

>>59743551
Your side always says it's to keep guns out of the hands of those who don't need them and everytime it leads to confiscation, arbitrary banning of classes of firearms and much more. No one believes your bullshit anymore.

>>59743550
>Giving the government authority to lord over even giving a family member a firearm is a disgusting breech of our rights.

I dont care how you word it. Laws and regulations are in place for a reason. Guns aren't fucking toys. If you want one go through the process of getting one.

>You already have background checks at every ffl

FFLs are NOT the only place where you can get guns from. As I stated before any private seller is not required to provide a background check of any kind, regardless of whether or not it's at a gun show or any other private venue.

>You're trying to fix a problem that isn't even there.

Guns in the hands of people that shouldn't have them isn't an issue we are currently facing?

>>59743573
Nice cherry picked clearly biased link you got there.

>>59743550
>Giving the government authority to lord over even giving a family member a firearm is a disgusting breech of our rights.
Why do you think you should have a right to own a force-multiplier like a firearm?

>>59743373
Because non-whites don't count for americans but count for canadians right? Also you may wanna drop a source or something for that very proud statement (not like a shit load more people die to murder in US or anything even without counting le evil blacks).

>>59743509
Remember Nimble America exists. They even call what they do shitposting.

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What does /pol/ hate more, black people or gun laws? Let's find out...

> "I'm sorry, sir, they have a right to carry..."

>racism
>guns
seems murica is pretty much stuck at a wild west movie

>>59743379
You know that US isn't exactly the richest among the developed country right? Even without factor in the dystopian level wealth disparity.

>>59743623
Shhhh, keep your mouth shut, you're disrupting the narrative.

>>59739647

>implying that you even had privacy on the internet

>implying that ISP haven't been "selling your data" to marketing companies under the table over the years

>implying that this just make current practices written in paper.

The genie has left the lamp years ago and masses are only starting to realize this.

>>59743595
So you have no argument as to the in effectiveness of everything you are promoting?

>Ffls are not the only place you can get guns from

Sans private sellers yes they are. And I've already told you private seller guns are not used in crimes to any meaningful degree.

>Cherry picked

There's a direct link to the CDC study that Obama personally ordered conducted in the article you stupid nigger.

If anything the study is biased against firearms and still they found nothing support the effectiveness of your previous gun control.

>>59743596
The constitution. Why should I not be able to?

>>59743615
Do you think Canada has anywhere close to the amount of non whites America does? Where like less than 60 percent white.

You haven't provided any sources or anything. I'm the only one in the entire thread using any kind of statistics or evidence.

>>59743550

Well, anon. I tried. Can't really wake up a man pretending to be asleep, can you? I'm on my phone right now but I'm gonna drop my calculation and source later to make you see how wrong you are. I'm tempted to not do that since you'd probably blame everything on the "niggers" anyway.

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>>59742287
>Hillary wasn't anti gun.

>>59743714
It astonishes me how you people can be presented with all of this and still maintain your delusion.

>>59743573
>le gun confiscating boogiemen

I doubt you'd need to worry about that with all the weapon corporation lobbying and you gun loving true Americans playing right into their hands while having voted in some "anti-establishment" aristocrat, kek

>>59743712
Can you give me one (1) good reason why any person should be able to purchase a gun without undergoing a background check regardless of where they purchase it?

>>59743664
Interesting that none of them have replied to any of the posts accusing them of being shills.

>>59742365
>250>350
found pol's mathematician

>>59743811
Yeah it's a real boogyman when there has already been cases of it you fucking retard.

>Corporation lobbying

Hot meme my dude. Go ahead and look how much of the NRA is private donations from members.

>>59743831
You're assuming the natural position is for everything to be disallowed unless someone can give some stupid reason why they should be allowed to exercise their freedom. Why is the burden of proof on me? It isn't.

You people are wired incorrectly. I'm convinced of it. You just assume everything should be illegal unless someone grovels and pushes for them to be allowed to do it, not have the person wishing to use force on others and remove their freedom be required to justify it.

>>59743831
It's about giving up your freedoms bitch once you agree to that they basically have every gun owner written down once that happens when they come to take them from us later on we're fucked. Uk is a great example first it's the guns then it's the knives. In France they still had guns and then they had a truck might as well as ban that too. You can't just ban everything for safety so you can code in your shit apartment anon

>>59743712
Isn't gun violence by ethnicity the original card you are playing? Now that it doesn't work to your advantage, it's time to drop it huh?

And I'm still waiting on your source on how white "america" has less murder rate than Canada, ignoring why we stopped talking about gun violence all of a sudden.

>>59743864
Chicago banned handguns too look at that the blacks still kill 2 people a day. Im sorry anon but your dystopian future doesn't exist read up on history Mao took the guns he killed 30 million people. Fidel took the guns the people can't revolt. Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers were big proponents of this because they knew of tyrannical governments.

>>59743712
>The constitution. Why should I not be able to?
Because guns of today are force multipliers that can kill many or even dozens of people in a way that other weapons are not. Damn, that was easy.

The constitution was not handed down to us on two stone tablets by an omnipresent god. It was written by men. Smart men, but men of their time and fallible men. You cannot lean on it for your argument without knowing why they added it and asking yourself if their reasoning was valid.

>>59743910
How have I dropped that at all?

I argued crime as a whole based on ethnicity not specifically guns. That's irrelevant, a gun is a tool someone may or may not use to commit a crime not the reason for the crime.

>Waiting on your source

Are you this fucking stupid and illiterate? See:
>>59742407

>>59743863
>You're assuming the natural position is for everything to be disallowed unless someone can give some stupid reason

1. This isn't a good reason
2. No I'm specifically talking about guns/firearms.

>You people are wired incorrectly. I'm convinced of it.

>You just assume everything should be illegal

Somehow you think that wanting heavier gun restrictions means that people want to make everything illegal.

>>59743864
>It's about giving up your freedoms
Fuck off. You're not giving up shit. You're still getting your gun. Unless you're saying having to wait a bit longer to acquire your weapon is any significant infringement on your freedums.

Honestly it seems like people are unable to see the difference between a ban and a regulation.

>>59743768
Anon, take a walk outside, talk with people, you might feel woke af and be surprised of how "delusional" others are. Others being essentially any non-Americans or americans who aren't internet vocal extreme right.

>>59739802
>NYTimes

If you are going to listen to liberal talking points, you should at least find a more honest source that don't take sides. Jimmy Dore is a good starting point. He's a progressive liberal and here he shits on Obama in 4 minutes flat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5K7UmYkD1I

>>59743938
Your wrong anon that's how it starts use Europe as an example it starts with these regulations then it turns into to a full blown ban.

>>59743963
>muh slippery slope fallacies.

I swear the right lives off of this.

>>59743922
But gun laws don't prevent lawbreakers from owning them. :^)

Seriously, if revolutionaries need access to guns, they will find a way regardless of the current laws of the country.

>>59743931
So? What does that have to do with me having to justify owning one especially if it's listed in the constitution?

Cars and especially explosives fit that bill even better. I could make an explosive to have a far more devestating effect.

So what if it's written by men? Its the basis for this nation, the whole point of a constitutional republic is not having a bunch of dumbasses like you taking away essential freedoms from us.

Nothing was written by God by the way kiddo. Grow up.

>>59743938
Why are guns different than anything else?

And yes heavier gun restrictions for no reason after I have proven multiple times they have no effect on crime is stupidity and the only logical conclusion as to why you'd wish it to be illegal is that you're a delusional fucktard incapable of changing viewpoints.

>>59743951
Did this sound like a convincing argument in your head? That has no bearing on what I believe or what ive said and proven.

>>59743978
Ok anon
"Good reasons for carrying a knife or weapon

Examples of good reasons to carry a knife or weapon in public can include:

taking knives you use at work to and from work

taking it to a gallery or museum to be exhibited

if it’ll be used for theatre, film, television, historical reenactment or religious purposes, for example the kirpan some Sikhs carry

if it’ll be used in a demonstration or to teach someone how to use it

A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife or a weapon if you’re charged with carrying it illegally"

"The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife more than once."

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

>>59743863
Sure there has been case, I bet it's Obama personally gracing you with his presence too right?

Also, are you even hearing yourself? The trillion dollar arm industry somehow doesn't have a say in policies and law-making while Monsanto does, sure right.