/ptg/ - Private Tracker General

First for UGC is the top game tracker now

first for RED is WINNING!!!!

By the way if you see someone post a poll where IPT isn't winning, it's fake news, bro.

Second for comfy NWCD

Aaaaand GGN is down again.

When will AB open up again? ;-;

>teh down
>ggn down
>mtv shutting down
>red retarded
it's hard living a /2ndtier/ life

>>59321473
How is xanax and pass the headphones coming along?

>>59321582
long after you've grown out of cartoons anon, soz.

>>59321473
Why bother with this shit? They have same torrents that public trackers have, just use TPB srsly. /g/s maximum autism.

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>>59321609

You know what you want to do.

>>59321666
it's tempting

>>59321666
Tell me, Satan, don't they recruit anywhere?

>>59321629
Both are gone.

>>59321718
you can get one on mam's unofficial invite section, you usually have to wait a few days/weeks for one to pop up though.

>>59321132
apl number of seeders has dropped by over 50,000 since end of january? how is that possible?

>>59321473
please fix ggn!

>tfw pruned accounts and closed down trackers.

I had a gazelle account but it got pruned, which I didn't care about at the time due to black cat.

I didn't care for a little while because KAT had a good community.... no KAT is gone.


fuck my shit

Forget about GGn, an anon warned us months ago to jump ship to UltimateGamer.Club (UGC). Anyone who didn't, enjoy having no games.

>tfw spoofing your ratio

heh

What's the best public tracker these days? I used KAT for games and RUtracker for music, but KAT is gone now.

>>59321767
>you can get one on mam's unofficial invite section
Thanks for the info, I didn't download all that FL on MAM for nothing then

>>59321844
>What's the best public tracker these days? I used KAT for games and RUtracker for music, but KAT is gone now.
>public tracker
>public
>/ptg/ - Private Tracker General
>Private Tracker
>Private

>>59321857
Yes?

>>59321473

FAKE NEWS - This is the official poll. IPT shills are amongst us.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12491093/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/12491093/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/12491093/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/12491093/r

>>59321889
nice try 312c

>>59321775
everyone finally figured out that pooloo is hook

hhahahahahaahahah

[RET]arded are DESPERATE for people to come back.

sorry dude, apollo is too /comfy/. I aint coming back.

>>59321775
Me (Nala) and my bud 312c stopped seeding, together about 50.000 torrents (all mp3>FLAC)

>>59321971
apollo is shit buddy

>>59321983
because

guys, I'm uploading to someone and the tracker on the torrent says: localhost, what the fuck does that mean?

>>59321665
Privacy and security, bounties, seed requests, good performance and speed, obscure titles, community,a reason to seed back

>>59321983
hi zed!

>>59322034
localhost points to a location on your own computer.

>>59322034
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/33597/bittorrent-for-beginners-share-large-files-using-your-own-private-tracker/
am I being ghost-leeched or something?

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>>59321957
>>59321983
WE'RE DHE BINNER GUYZ, SHUT DOWN ABOLLO PLZ :D:D:D

>>59321500
>google in your tracker

They need to do more opsec.

>>59321665
>They have same torrents that public trackers have
Oh ok

>>59321983
I"m not your buddy, pal

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>>59321816

>>59321665
wtf i hate private trackers now

>>59322155
PTH uses google too, so it must be good.

>>59321889
>not voting ipt to filter out bottom feeders

It's like this is your first rodeo.

>>59322246
Because NoSnatch is good at OpSec

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To all the 'what's the point of HDB if I have PTP, kek pointless sekrit club'.

1). HDB is not cabal (anyone that says so doesn't know what they're talking about.
2). No aids staff members.
3). People will hold your hand on your journey into becoming a god-tier encoder.
4). No mandatory minimum seed time, you can hit and run.
5). Anti-seedbox measures - has the common man in mind.
6). There are a lot of arthouse enocdes that aren't on PTP which are labelled with 'don't upload anywhere else' such as EA encodes.
7). It has both Films, Porn, and TV shows. This means you don't need BTN, PTP, or EMP
8). The tracker is actually up most of the time. How many times has PTP had that 'tracker having problems, keep seeding' notification on their page?
9). Retention - PTP has a lot of dead torrents, especially full Blu-rays.
10). E-peen - everyone wants to be on HDB.
11). Invites - If you're on HDB then you basically have free entry to any other tracker that exists. See how RED came to HDB first to hand out free two and three digit user-ids.
12). HDB is a source tracker. Meaning it is where content is created. PTP is like the dirty Romanian gipsy at the market, selling second hand goods.
13). User classes are useless, everyone is equal.
14). PTP would be useless without HDB but the same can't be said vice versa.
15). PTP is at the top of the next raid list. Don't be surprised if you see it gone within the next few years. HDB on the other hand will still exist, 100 years into the future.

This is where you realize that PTP is an entry-level peasant-tier tracker and HDB is literally penthouse-tier 'patricians only' top-of-the-pyramid-level /royalty/.

Aim high, don't settle for mediocrity.

lotta hook shit in this ptg!
lets keep it clean boys!

>>59321576
But you're banned from there.

>>59322521
>Anti-seedbox measures - has the common man in mind
Could you elaborate on this? I've had the opportunity to get on HDB in the past but passed on it because I didn't see the need.

>>59322521
>has the common man in mind
>extremely hard to get into
>exclusives

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>>59322521
>been in PTP years just sitting and silently seeding, 4/1 ratio
>really worried after what.cd

>>59322521
>It has both Films, Porn, and TV shows. This means you don't need BTN, PTP, or EMP
weak bait

It's almost impossible to find a single non-trumpable perfect FLAC on RED apart from popular releases.
We'll see how many people will actually care and replace those stuff. I just hope they slowly die.

>>59321665
>t. 312cuck

NEW POLL - VOTE FOR WORST STAFF TEAM

MULTIPLE OPTIONS ENABLES

https://www.strawpoll.me/12496553
https://www.strawpoll.me/12496553
https://www.strawpoll.me/12496553
https://www.strawpoll.me/12496553
https://www.strawpoll.me/12496553
https://www.strawpoll.me/12496553

>>59322730
>PTP (PassTheHeadphones)
really makes you think

>>59322730
I'm going to select all of them! Private trackers are gay!

>>59322521
>HDB on the other hand will still exist, 100 years into the future.

Heil LB06! Heil LB06! To the 1000 year HDBits-Reich!

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>tfw wasted FL tokens on transcodes

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>>59322730

>>59322730
worst as in incompetent?

>>59322752

LMAO that was a legit mistake.

>>59322784
Looks fine

>>59322807

As in anything, incompetent, elitist, power-trippers, annoying, they banned you, etc.

>>59322784
That's not a transcode you fucking pooloo

>>59322818
then do it again but right this time

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>>59322730
>karagara
>karagara
>karagara
kys

>>59322872
Fuck logs and fuck redacted

>>59322872
why would anybody bother remembering a name of a shitty tracker only autists use.

Welp, we're too far in to start over. The acronyms are there.

>>59322918
better autists than open reg bottom-feeders who don't upload or seed
gib freelox pls b0ss

>>59322918
>shitty tracker only autists use
a.k.a i couldn't scrounge an invite

>>59322822
>>59322852
Why is that? I thought it was supposed to be filled all the way to 22 kHz.

Reminder to use ollydbg and checklog.exe to append a signature to your 0.99 logs.
Don't forget to change EAC version and rip date!

>>59322986
I feel very sorry for you.

>I'm sorry that you think that FL tokens are a band-aid. We saw with every FL that the rich got richer, and the poor didn't actually gain much (rarely ever got a 1:1 ratio on their snatch).
>With FL tokens, you can download what you want (instead of staff picks, which most people don't actually care about), and it allows us to distribute the tokens more frequently because there's less of a consequence to it.

PTH staff actually started to make sense. I'm impressed.

>>59323030
>PTH
TRIGGERED

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>>59323030

>>59322521
If HDB is so much better than PTP, then why did LB06 get doxed but 312c hasn't?

https://archive.fo/ApZsE

>>59322521
HDB is above the cabal

>>59323001
Shhhh, let's keep this sekrit.

>>59323001
better thing is to download whale torrentsthat had tons of snatches and edit logs. compare to one new log to see what extra data might be necessary. then generate hash.

now i'm setforlife on trumpanistan.

>>59323030
But now most FL tokens are going to go towards things that won't give the poor any buffer. I'm pretty ratio poor and I still got about 20GB off of every staff pick period. Zed's just wrong here desu

>>59323052
>>PTH
>TRIGGERED
no, winning. compare the stats

>>59323188
once RED actually does their job and deletes all the reported torrents they won't be nearly as far ahead. staff don't do their fucking job there, probably just to buff the numbers.

>>59323030
>manically fishing /ptg/ for advice every time you screw up
>making sense
ok zed

>kuchikirukia only doing a 720p encode
Is he part of DON?

>>59323169
I dub thee Swarm Killer.

>>59323223
Im pretty sure only Z frequents /ptg/.

>>59323241
Yet Zed always seems to be responding to shit that ptg is bitching about. I have no doubt he's in here a lot.

>>59323233
who is he desu? i only recall this name from nyaa

>>59322730

BitMeTV is the only place I have been banned and that was like 9 years ago. They disabled me for changing my email and password to many times. Fuck those cunts. I'm so glad their shitty site went down the drain with the rise of BTN.

>>59323255
Some user on AB who encodes animu

>>59323252
Can you give example? I think its mostly because people cross post here shit from reddit so you get the image like he is talking to /ptg/.

>>59322994
It could have been applied a high pass filter during the studio mastering.

>>59323276
low-pass

>>59323268
yeah, q was a gigantic asshole

>>59323211
see >>59323086

>>59322521
>15). PTP is at the top of the next raid list. Don't be surprised if you see it gone within the next few years.
God, I want so much for this to happen.

>>59323177
I highly doubt everyone is going to spend 20 tokens to get all those recommendations. Remember, /ptg/ might be all about the pyramid but the majority on these trackers are about the content. I've already seen way more activity on the non-pick torrents I'm seeding than I have in a while.

>>59323304
holy sad man batman

>>59323268
>been on BitMeTV since early 2008
>didn't join BTN early on since I figured I didn't need to
>regret grows over the years as BitMeTV becomes deader and deader
>finally got into BTN a few months ago
I still wish I'd joined back when any faggot could grab an invite from what though.

>>59322521
>no gazelle
please dump your trash somewhere else

>>59323241
>Z frequents /ptg/
he actually does, a lot. it's basically Z and Demon who shit up these threads the most. they're online a lot.

does posting here with normal nick used everywhere but trackers would get me /marked/

>>59323304
More likely to be IPT with over 1 million members and a millionaire owner. Just like Kim Dotcom.

>>59323386
Posting here with any nick will get you /filtered/

>>59322784
>>59322994
>>59323276
reminder that you don't learn shit from spectral tutorials on various interview sites.

unless you have some terrible transcode like 128kbps to flac (which you should notice by your ear anyway) spectrals are worthless.

they should be used when you have spectrals of the original source to compare against, then they mean something.

inventive tracker could allow spectral sample images for torrent group that people could compare against, unfortunately all trackers are are braindead copycats

>>59322521
>'don't upload anywhere else'
like pedro's site does and I'm fine with it: please keep clean the web from your obscure and useless releases.
You will be properly guillotined one day, and I'll drink to that.

>>59323356
t. sadistic

>>59323443
actually no. I just idle on apl irc from time to time, but nice try. please try to be a bit more creative than posting t. sadistic next time.

>>59323333
Checked.

>>59323356
This. Anyone who idles in apoo chat would know that.

>>59323188
I think you misunderstood me, dear.
I am on RED. But I'm not on PTH. :^)

>>59321506
NOPE

>>59321718
I've got 6 invites their

>>59323493
my apologies if I have slighted you m'lady, I will try to be more careful next time.

DM me when teh is back up

>>59323605
fuck no

>>59323605
sent ;)

>>59323684
no not yet

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Both TehConnection and GazzelleGames have been compromised. The sites will return as honeypots. You've been warned. All users affected are advised to evacuate the area and seek refuge at UltimateGamerClub and whatever movie tracker you can find.

>>59323746
You're aware that GGn tracker works?

IPT staff is corrupt af, content n speeds are great tho.

Do you guys respond to every question with an ambiguous single word in lower case with an exclamation point at the end of it?

>>59323820
t. moral cuck

>>59323836
lol, true tho

>>59323820
>ipt/rutracker up 24/7
>moralcucks waiting for ggn to come back online

>>59323850
fuck off, Orel

>>59323835
yes!

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>>59321473
Whats everyone watching tonight?

>>59323835
What!

>>59323913
probably Passengers, not sure I'm feeling a 2h+ movie like Manchester by the Sea

>>59323976
Why would you subject yourself to such drivel when you could watch a work of art

>>59323913
New Riverdale out tonight

>>59323983
because 2h is long :O(

>>59323913
I grew out of watching movies when I was 13

>>59323976
That movie is dog shit

>>59323996
There are movies that are patrish that aren't 2 hours long you know

>>59323913

Assassin's Creed [2016] by Justin Kurzel

Pure kino.

>>59324011
but I don't have them downloaded desu
only have Passengers, Moonlight and Manchester by the Sea in the recent ones

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>>59323913

>>59323996
>>59324011
Also ones that aren't dog shit

>>59324025
that thing must be one of the absolutely worst "movies" ever made

>>59324026
Why do you download dog shit

>>59324026
>>59324046
this

>>59324046
stop judging my taste anon !

>>59324002
too bad you still haven't grown out of your virginity

>>59324057
Your tastes are dog shit

>>59324076
fuck you, idiot

>>59324080
Dog shit, dog shit

>>59324074
I grew out of my virginity when I was 13

>>59324114
The $10 can get you in way better trackers though :^)

>>59322521
What a good copypasta.
1) HDB is cabal. Got global banned because I bought an hacked account.

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do u even cabal bro

>>59323122
No one likes LB at HDB but they can't get rid of them cuz he's been around for too long. He spends all his time getting his dick sucked by AHD people who will then tell you HDB is shit and AHD is better

>>59324114
>paying rent to pirate

>>59324334
n-no

does ggn go down often?

>>59324455
sysops in jail

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>>59321473
Is there a jazz tracker?

>>59324026
Pic related

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>>59324114
Dear god, it's been years since the last time I thought about that show. I still remember the sound of that dog talking in that hilariously retarded voice -- just about as bad a Barney the dinosaur.

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What is the main reason why people on R*D get warned or disabled?
What's the point of hoarding several hundred gigabyte buffer on R*D? I bet most of these sociopaths only ever listen to music on youtube anyways.

>>59324478
> Is there a jazz tracker?
Redacted, faggot

Does x264 have any files from other groups or is it just mostly for the internals?

>>59324334
One is not like the others.

Is Pirate Bay safe to use?

>>59324576
sadistic is a cunt

>>59324836
Yes. I upload there regularly.

>>59324846
Yes.

>>59324846
fuck off diapernigger

What kind of economy would you chose if you were told to build a cabal music tracker?

>>59324864
ok, I'm trusting you, anon

>>59324915
stupid fucking question

>>59324915
Bonus points for torrents with less than 5 seeds.

>>59324915
Hard economy to incentive filling requests and uploading more stuff. Also, no seedboxes allowed.

>>59324915
t. zed

>>59324941
That's a good idea.

>>59324941
>>59324962
t. nala

>>59324941
t. poorfag

>>59324979
Name me 1(one) good tracker that encourages the use of seedboxes, I'm waiting.

>>59324999
hahahahahaha

>>59324999
name one good tracker that discourages the use of seedboxes....

>>59325014
hdbits

>>59324999
IPT

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>>59324999
kys

>>59325066
I make more than you and your boyfriend combined ^ 2

>>59324979
I don't mind paying a few dollars for a seedbox if that's what you are implying.

>>59324962
Thanks

>>59324977
Nala doesn't want to ban seedboxes.

>>59325143
not for long. the wall is coming you filthy chupacabra.

>>59325273
keep this shit on /pol/, thanks

>>59325273
guess again amigo ;0)

>>59325294
fuck off fag

>>59323493
>>59324193
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>use FL token on anjudeep
>the sole seeder didn't get on until after personal freeleech expired
>it counted against my ratio AND I lost a token
brilliant

>>59325382
>keeps posting the same post over and over again, making the thread even shittier than it was
Thanks. Keep it up!

>>59325450
>expecting anything different from the worst general

>>59325482
>he doesn't know

>>59325516
>his mom fucks niggers

>>59323356
proof please. I've only ever seen Z appear when people are spreading something they feel the need to correct. Honestly the only APL person I ever really saw shitting up the threads was alutard, demonotaku is just as much a redtard as pooloo member.

>>59324478
I've found more jazz on APL than on RED, unless shitty bandcamp releases count as jazz

>>59325559
>demonotaku
who?

>>59325603
oh sorry I meant semenotaku

Every single time someone suggested a bonus point system on the PTH forums they always heard the same tired arguments over and over again:
>WCD didn't have it, and we must do everything exactly the way WCD did, for change is bad
>Bonus points are welfare, they encourage users to leech and not upload new content

Then they go ahead and give FIFTY freeleech tokens to each and every user, regardless of user class. They know their economy is broken, they're just too stubborn to fix it.

>>59325701
time will tell, pyramid cuck

>>59321971

Get your ass into NWCD. It's super comfy.

>>59325908
invite me bitch nigger

>>59325927
NWCD has noinvites.

>>59323122
i thought nick owned HDB
also, LB stands for ladyboy. is this no coincidence?

>>59325701
What's wrong with 50 tokens? A lot of torrents have been trumped lately. It makes up for that. Stop being such a complaining faggot.

>>59325701
Bonus points don't solve the problem. FL tokens are a much better solution.

>>59325701
I'm sorry that you think that FL tokens are a band-aid. We saw with every FL that the rich got richer, and the poor didn't actually gain much (rarely ever got a 1:1 ratio on their snatch).

With FL tokens, you can download what you want (instead of staff picks, which most people don't actually care about), and it allows us to distribute the tokens more frequently because there's less of a consequence to it.

Regardless, if you feel so strongly about this, then you should probably weigh in on the suggestion threads that have already been made about this, where we have real numbers to back up our claims instead of speculation.

The only reason PTH changed their name to RED is because it rhymes with Zed.

>>59326111
>>59326089
>>59326075
t.nala

inb4 RED implements a system where instead of bonus points for longterm seeding, you get FL tokens instead. Thus, it still won't be bonus points so they didn't go back on their previous statements, and it still helps the tracker.

Seed long time -> get tokens -> download more -> seed more longer -> get more tokens -> repeat

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>>59321889
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12491093/r

What are you talking about you fool?

brb
TC is currently undergoing maintenance.

Check back soon.

>>59326411
Honeypot has been initiated

this thread is toilet fucking water

>>59326449
me too thanks

>>59326449
posting in this thread is a privilege, not a right

>>59326497
Fucking triggered.

THIS THREAD IS NOW NEUTRAL LEECH!

>>59326517
being triggered is a privilege, not a right

>>59322215
>tfw put all my eggs into RED

>>59326538
You better ban me then, fuck if I care.

>>59325450
>people contributing to this general's shittiness by using carat nose smilies in the first place

>>59326631
>people contributing to this general's shittiness by using carat nose smilies in the first place
why feed the trolls?

reminder that you should donate to the freeleech pool on ab

>>59326762
invite me first

>>59326776
post your top 5 mangos, i'll invite you if you have good taste

Everyone voted for IPT ironically. PTP is the superior movie tracker.

>>59326825
>t. 312cuck

>>59326846
What is your PTP username?

how can i get an invite to EMP ?

>>59326976
official recruitment

>>59327040
eh when is the sign up period so I can register an account

>>59326856
RedDunce, please don't mark me.

how the fuck are you supposed to join the apl irc?

>>59327040
They don't recruit from anywhere, though.

>>59327135
PB PU + 6 months

>>59327149
PB?

>>59327149
where do you find stuff to upload on pornbay?

>>59327135
They've been recruiting PU+ from BTN for about a month now.

>>59327182
OT

>>59327196
man, is GGn dead?
no official word anywhere... should I just give up vidya?

fuck you niggers fix ggn NOW

Does GGn have bonus points? Is ratio easy there?

>>59327309
Yes!

>>59327323
good, I gotta figure out a way to get in, I'm a huge gamer.

>>59327348
ugc is easier anon

>>59327348
GGn is dead! DEAD!!!

someone upload snugglepunk ass worship to mega for me desu

>>59326642
why troll?

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how do i capitalize on these redacted fl tokens

also i like how redacted thinks anyone rly cares about the recommendations or vanity house releases. they aren't freeleech so 0(zero) people are gonna snatch them once the FL tokens are mostly used up lmao

>>59327424
Maybe you're looking for a buffer website? RED is a music website, where we recommend and share music.

>sign up for both apl and PTH
>still haven't downloaded anything other than neutral leech on PTH... I mean red
>impossible to build a ratio there
>meanwhile apollo just seems like what.cd 2.0
Everyone told me APL was shit but in real life it's the only one I'm actually using

>>59327454
it's a website to pirate music, fuck the community aspect. if i wanted music recommendations i wouldn't trust random nerds on the internet that care too much about how music is uploaded

>>59327454
>RED is a marketing campaign for shitty seed boxes and a future pay to leech scheme
Fixed

>no album art in album folder
really infuriating desu

>>59327578
>50mbs of scans

>>59327578
>no album artist tag
gonna shoot up this fucking music tracker

>>59326803
Takemitsu Zamurai
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou
Qualia the Purple
Voynich Hotel
Otoyomegatari

>>59327582
>not > 50% of the total size in scans
it gets worse!

>>59327578
I scan all of my album art and covers in 24-bit 192khz 4k, anon.

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>>59327586
>mfw I never add album artist

>>59327586
You like bloated FLACs with useless tags? Fuck you!

>>59327622
gonna need to invest in at least five new hard drives to store that massive 3kb

what's decibel's domain?

any trackers that don't allow niggers?

>>59327697
OT

>>59327697
sadistic hates niggers

is ptp completely full? I'd like to get a site that has more niche movies

GazelleGames was raided and closed I presume?

>>59327809
no!

>>59327809
Yes!

>>59327809
maybe!

>>59327809
not sure!

>>59327832
>>59327848
>>59327877
>>59327889
fuck you all

>>59327897
no thank you!

>>59327809
can you repeat the question?

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>>59327741
there's plenty of room!

>>59327897
Yes!

>>59327907
There'll be one more free spot, now that 312c has /marked/ you.

>>59327809
you're not the boss of me now!

>>59327809
!

>>59327809
random.choice("Yes", "No", "Maybe", "Perhaps", "Not sure", "") + "!"

>>59321473
when you say "movie tracker" you mean what now?

>>59328014
I got no.

>>59321473
>iptorrents

https://www.reddit.com/r/trackers/comments/4t4d73/psa_please_be_careful_if_youre_a_member_of/

>>59328027
Yes!

Hey guys Ive been gone from what.cd for a year and noticed that the website got shut down and read that Redacted had the biggest library for private trackers. Is their an Interview process or is it pure on recruitment? Thanks

>>59328096
see
>>59327832
>>59327848
>>59327877
>>59327889
>>59327889
>>59327902
>>59327905
>>59327936
>>59327992
>>59328014

>>59328096
*AHEM*
Yes!

>>59328096
Same type of interview as what had

>>59328136
Do they have an interview page similar to what.cd had? or private chat rooms

>>59328148
The latter, but those are 18+ only. NOT FOR KIDS !!!

>>59328148
*teleports and coughs loudly behind you*

Yes!

>>59328148
A page for "studying" and an IRC channel for the actual interviews
I have no idea what the site and channel are since the name change

>>59328096
They ask you to do an IQ test, if your score is higher than 80, they don't let you in.

>>59328177
t. Z

>>59328162
a/s/l?

>>59327936
you're fired!

>>59321473
duh? It has by far the most shit and it's the easiest one to casually use

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>>59328524
>>59328524
>>59328524

>>59328300
I did, an hour ago.

>>59328533
fag

>>59328177
t. apooloo user

>>59327398
should have spent them when they first announced staff picks. got a little buffer off them

>>59327309
No points, but all torrents are FL for the first 6 hours and ratio shouldn't be hard at all.