/hpg/ headphone general

>>59178242
repostan here

>>59178335
tl;dr I'm looking for recommendations on:
>usa
>$99 but flexible
>motherboard audio (msi z170 sli plus if you must know)
>looking for something emphasizing comfort
>preferably closed
>sound signature isn't a huge deciding factor to me but maybe something similar to my old AKG k240's but maybe a little more bassy would be nice.

>>59178335
Closed
Somic MM185, AKG K553, NVX XPT100

Open
SHP9500, ISK HP2010, HD558

>>59178403
>Closed
HD380 Pro, HD598c
>Open
(open sounds better / price) HD598se > DT880 Premium > HD558

To the friend that said that Stax needs a proprietary eq circuit to be better than hd600, that is:

- untrue
- here are the ED-1 parameters, in dB, Q, Hz:

1.8, 2.6, 615
-5.4, 1.1, 1400
6.7, 0.8, 3000
-3.0, 4.0, 6100
1.8, 3.4, 7900
-6.3, 6.1, 10500

However, if you are like me, you will end up preferring the native response, or a slight modification.

I use, in BW instead of Q:

-2.5, 0.55, 1650
-1.5, 0.24, 10500

As you can see, these filters are very small in magnitude.

>>59178703
>As you can see, these filters are very small in magnitude.
Different HD600-loving anon here.

I wouldn't call -2.5dB very small. And why does everybody love EQ so much?

I like my HD600 as they are, and would have a hard time justifying the extra latency of an EQ.

>>59178448
>>59178652
Cool, thanks for the input. I'm going to start looking up reviews and whatnot.

>>59178728
>and would have a hard time justifying the extra latency of an EQ

Unless you play viddy gaems, latency is a complete non issue. EQ's dont introduce anything near enough to affect video.

320kbps mp3 files are good enough

Which out of the Status Audio CB-1 or NVX XPT100/Brainwavz HM5 provides the best build quality and neutral sound signature?

Also, what are some good replacement pads for the Sony MDR-V6?

>>59179144
Honestly V0 is good enough, but the prevalence and ease to acquire 320 makes it convenient and good enough.

>>59179144
good enough for what?

Is there big difference between HD600 and HD650?

>>59179260
everything except muh archiving

>>59179260
good enough to the point where it sounds good on a decent pair of headphones

>>59179266
HD600 are flat
HD650 are intentionally colored and more expensive

>>59178833
I do play video games though.

>>59179277
>>59179266
In other words, HD650 has better bass because our hears aren't tuned at all for a flat frequency. They both have utter shit sub-bass though and require a somewhat agressive EQ bellow 60Hz

>>59179427
>our hears aren't tuned at all for a flat frequency.
Neither are sound engineers' ears.
They use flat headphones/speakers as a reference point.

The music they make with flat speakers isn't flat, therefore listening to their music on flat speakers isn't flat

>>59179418
Any decent EQ adds an an utterly irrelevant amount of latency depending on how powerful your CPU is. Delayed sound is not a very realistic problem in video games. We are actually very poor at spotting sound delay even up to tens of milliseconds, multiple times that of what a software EQ would add. We don't rely on sound nearly as much as we do on the visual aspect at spotting events in real time or reacting to them especially when both are present. The visual aspect is far more dominant in games. Even a slight few millisecond added visual delay can be felt in the control if you are very used to the game and gear(mice, keyboard controller + monitor).

>>59179475
>he doesn't know about linear phase equalizers

bruh

>>59179491
wrong guy

meant for
>>59178728


also, the most common type of equalizers only delay the part it is changing. linear phase delay the whole thing as to not change the sound

cool stuff

>>59178803
So this is what I'm gleaming from a lot of the reviews;
Is better bass + worse mids a running theme with the less expensive closed cans?
>Hd 380 pro
Great all arounder for the price range. Harsh mids but one reviewer said a custom EQ kind of fixes it.
>Hd 598c
Boomy bass, very active sound. Subdued mids. Cheap build quality. Another good general purpose. Easy to drive.
>Nvx XPT100
Fantastic build quality for the low price tag but sound quality overall is heavily sacrificed.
>AKG k553
Sound is "flat" or neutral for the most part except maybe just a hint of bass. I can't really find a downside other than high MSRP, but Walmart is selling this at $140.
>Somic mm185
I can't seem to track down any solid reviews of this.
Looking like a tough decision between the 598c, the k553, and the 380 pro

>>59179616
Status Audio CB1

The Somic version is the OEM version

I'm trying to get redpilled on amps.
Isn't the entire point of an amp to take the analog signal and make it louder? if so, why do I see people claiming a certain amp "pairs up nicely" with their headphones compared to other amps?
The way I see it amps should be completely transparent, unless they have an EQ switch like Fiio amps.
If you have two amps that can delivers the same power into your headphones there should be no audible difference between the two at the same volume level. Is this statement wrong?

>>59179981
>Is this statement wrong?
no, a powerful enough amp shouldn't work better with different types of headphones

>>59179981
different amps innately have different sound signatures and different power output ranges they're good at

my schiit stack (modi + magni, both 2u) has a crisper sound and goes well with stuff like fostex th x00

>>59180023
So whenever i see somebody claiming his 1000 dollars amp works better than something like an O2 with his HD 650s I can dismiss him as a retard?

>>59180042
>different amps innately have different sound signatures
How is this possible? I thought their principle was to take the analog waves and make them louder. How can this change the sound quality unless there's some internal fuckery going on to deliberately alter it?

>>59179981
as I understand it, the choice of each component involved in building the amp card will in theory have the potential to alter the signal ever so slightly. though wether or not any of this is perceptible is another matter. from my limited experience, I'd say that unless you're using a piece-of-crap amp, any upgrade is likely placebo, assuming you had enough power to properly power what you were trying to power in the first place.

>>59180043
>I can dismiss him as a retard?
yes

Don't spend less than $100 though. Magni is great. #USAEsNumeroUno

>>59178306
>thumbnail looks like she's holding her dick while jizz shoots out

I've been here too long

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Some good advice here. Dude has configured 24-bit audio for his highest-quality VBR mp3s. /g/entoomen, pay attention.

http://r3dux.org/2013/12/how-to-enable-high-quality-audio-in-linux/

>>59178703
Anyone that actually brings up the ED-1 as though it were necessary isn't worth the time of day.

>>59179475
>>59178728
Most equalizers will operate in the minimum phase, and have zero inherent latency in their operation.

>>59179508
>>59179491
>the most common type of equalizers only delay the part it is changing
Discontinuous, piecewise smooth response filters are not realizable. In any case, a linear phase EQ is not only unnecessary for headphone equalization, but undesirable.
>linear phase
As suggested by its name, linear phase has a linear phase relation to frequency, such that d/df of θ(f) is a constant.
A linear phase filter necessarily has a delay line. The delay line is made equal to half the length of the FIR sequence; the linear phase filter has the property of coefficient symmetry.

>>59179427
>aren't tuned at all for a flat frequency. They both have utter shit sub-bass though and require a somewhat agressive EQ bellow 60Hz

http://graphs.headphone.com/index.php?graphID%5B0%5D=573&graphID%5B1%5D=853&graphID%5B2%5D=&graphID%5B3%5D=&scale=20&graphType=0&buttonSelection=Update+Graph

It's... complicated. Bass is also exhausting/headacheinducing on prolonged periods, particularly sub-bass.

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So does this shitty sticker mean anything at all?
My RHA 750i had it in the box and now Fiio products are shipping with it.

>>59180164
no, not really
its just some shit that means its capable of certain irrelevant frequencies

>>59179475
>We are actually very poor at spotting sound delay even up to tens of milliseconds

Try playing llsif sometime.

Also, protip: Any audio chain is long, and every component adds some latency. Latency is a fucking cancer, and anything that adds to it better be worth it.

And beware that a latency as low as 3ms is already too high for voice monitoring feedback. Don't underestimate latency.

>>59180164
It lets the customer think he just got something premium.

>>59180203
> Fiio chinkshit
> Premium
You wot

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>>59180164
Hi-Res = A lot of treble peaks

>>59180042
>different amps innately have different sound signatures

No. Amps are either transparent or flawed.

>my schiit stack (modi + magni, both 2u) has a crisper sound

No, it doesn't. It's just pretty good in terms of transparency, and whatever you're comparing it with is flawed (not transparent).

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>>59180217
Neutralish treble for comparison

>>59180043
Definitely.

There's many a sub-$100 usb dac+amp that will drive the HD650 transparently, and there's absolutely no benefit on spending any more than that.

>>59180072
So is fulla2, and is overall a much better return / money.

>>59180239
Which DT880 is that?

Pro, Premium, 35Ω, 250Ω, 600Ω... it gets really complicated. And they all seem to have different response curves.

http://www.ecrater.com/p/26035063/philips-x2-x27-fidelio-premium-over?gps=1&id=115931379379

x2's for 188 bucks

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>>59180265
It's most likely the 250ohm. They're reponse curves, although slightly different, are very much similar adn they're all very sibilant

any HD600 vs HD650 graphs?

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>>59180301
see >>59180162 for compensated

This is raw

>>59180319
Wait, so HD650 have double the bass?

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>>59180343
Here's more!

>>59180343
no

>>59180266
Yeah that's a steal right there.

>>59180352
whoah, that K712 is all over the place.

>>59180389
It is but the detail is amazing. It's a very sharp and fast headphone with detail everywhere and amazing separation of everything to the point of being annoying at times. So far, these have had my favorite bass of every headphone that i've listened to. It's a shame the treble feels like needles puncturing the hear drums and the low mids are a bit too fat and a fatiguing when listening to something like Type O Negative

>Budget - $80
>Location - UK
>Source - phone
>Type of headphone - in ears/buds
>Open or closed - n/a?
>Comfort level - p comfy
>Sound signature - like my hd 600s signature
>Past headphones - hd 600, ath-ad900x, hd598, dt990, samsung in ear buds

For some reason the little circular earbuds dont fit in my ear and fall out, but samsungs dont because of shape

Here comes a bit of a pleb question from someone who doesn't know that much about headphones.

Looking for a decent set of headphones for running, but sick of just finding wireless headphones with a battery life less than 4 hours. As I don't like running with my a smartphone strapped to my arm, I'm desperately in need of a set of wired headphones, that are sweat resistant, and sound "decent".

Any recommendations?

(Budget sub $100)

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Be honest guys
Do i look like a doof wearing these in public?
If anyone here owns them, please give me a quick rundown on them.

>>59180472

Oh, and not unsupported in ear buds. having one drop out mid run is such a hassle.

http://www.hyperxgaming.com/datasheets/HSCC_us.pdf

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on these?

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>>59180352

>>59180532
Headset. On top of that, gaymer.

2 red flags.

Asked it before, but never really got an answer... If I connect a media device of some kind to my TV through HDMI, then connect my TV to my DAC with optical, is it safe to assume that the signal will be transmitted unaltered from media device to DAC? Or will it have to pass through my TV's own internal DAC before being turned back into digital and passed out again?

>>59180647
Likely fine.

As retarded as hardware can be at times, I haven't seen anything behave that badly.

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really on a low budget at this point, but the current headphones broke.
>$65
>comfort and sound
>semi-open or closed
>have only listened to music through cheap chink headphones so this will be the first in this price range
>looking at akg 240, samson sr 850 currently
>listen to swans, wittr and midori etc

>>59180584
How about ATH-M30x? Better?

So I bought a pair of HD600's but they don't have bass

what do?

>>59180882
EQ

>>59179981
>Isn't the entire point of an amp to take the analog signal and make it louder?
It's the idea of an amplifier but they can have other benefits too, depending on what is the comparison. Amplifying signal without altering it in any other way is how an ideal amplifier would function. How well an amplifier functions is dependent on the load, too. Mainly you want low distortion, low noise, no interference, minimal output impedance, flat response and of course enough gain.
>why do I see people claiming a certain amp "pairs up nicely" with their headphones compared to other amps?
Wrong ideas about amplification and loads of confirmation bias. "Pairing" is nonsense.
>If you have two amps that can delivers the same power into your headphones there should be no audible difference between the two at the same volume level. Is this statement wrong?
Power isn't the only factor but as long as the parameters I mentioned earlier are satisfied, the amplifiers sound identical(transparent). As long as both amplifiers exceed a certain level of performance, both are transparent. These human audible limits are complex and hard to define, especially ones that have to do with nonlinear distortion audibility. They are relatively easy to test however as long as you can setup a proper double blinded listening test.

>>59180135
What a troll.

>>59180164
No.

>>59180266
They'll drop down to the equivalent of $100 on here on occasion:

>http://www.elgiganten.se/product/ljud-bild/horlurar/FIDELIOX2/philips-fidilio-horlurar-around-ear-x2-00-svart

Last I saw them at that price was this weekend. Only useful if you live in Sweden, I guess, although you could always ask a swede to buy a pair for you and ship them if you're willing to go out of your way to save some cash

>>59180961
To add, building an amplifier that operates transparently on a headphone load is a rather simple task and inexpensive given competent design.

>>59180882
>So I bought a pair of HD600's but they don't have bass

Do you have an amp? If not, get one.

How long have you been using them? If less than a month, you're simply not used to them. Beware you'll never get used to them if you EQ. Give them a fair chance without EQ. These are quite neutral headphones, which is pretty much pointless if you EQ.

>>59180987
>Given competent design.
Objective2 is open hardware and decent enough. No need to even design anything.

>>59181122
It's quite nice and has exceptionally low self noise. For most loads it's definitely transparent.

>>59179210
Sound signature might be on par, but the build quality of the CB-1 is dreadful.

>>59181313
Too bad about the price the prebuilt ones are going by.

Magni2 is much better value for the money.

>>59181108
I want them to skullfuck me

>>59180961
>What a troll.
a master trole if anything, because I thought he was serious...

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>>59178306
any good comfy earbuds like the iphone 4 but not overpriced?

Anyone have a recommendation for a desktop microphone? The one integrated into my webcam is cropping out on me. I use speakers almost exclusively and just want something not garbage and looks decent under $50.

>>59181871
FiiO EM3's :^)

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>>59178306
Last thread, I posted what I believed were the best budget headphones under $100. I really did believe that, but after being called out on it, I once set myself on another 30 minute journey. I realized, while they are efficient headphones, they also lack speed and power; two of the most important attributes seen in modern day headphones. I must apologize once again, and as such, I will personally repay anyone who believed my shill hungry post.

So once again, after setting myself on another 30 minute journey, I am proud to introduce my pick for the best budget headphones under $100; hopefully you will too.

>>59178306
is there some good smol headphones? like ear-buds or some stuf like that? I don't like having so big headphones while I'm commuting.

help me pls >>59180795

>>59182199
SHP9500 are within your budget, but they're open.

>>59181871
ve monk, faaeal, and boarseman are all probably good for the price.

>>59182232
Thanks looking into that. if it was between AKG K52 and Behringer HPX400?

>>59180851
Nope, anything in the M series below the M40's isn't worth looking at.

>>59180532
They're fine if you must have a gaming headset.
Pretty comfy, v shaped sound.
Not for big heads.

How to EQ the HD650 for more treble? Not sure what frequencies to raise

>>59182936
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>>59181334
Build quality isn't that bad, just take care of your gear and they have a warranty.

>>59182437
>Behringer HPX400
>Behringer for anything but PA equipment/mixers.

Holy shit, stay away from Behringer anon.
Superlux 668b/681, Tascam TH-02, Creative Aurvana Live if they're on sale, ISK 2010/2011 aka basstyle TH5001, SHP's are good as well.

Lot of options in your price range besides Behringer.

>>59183166
>People love the Takstar Pro 80's, hate on the HyperX Clouds.

They're the same headphones.

>>59183104
4-10 kHz.
6-9 kHz is recessed the most, but it also depends on your model and your ears.

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>>59180795
What are you looking for the headphone to do?

>>59183104
Look at an FR graph. The notch in upper midrange alters perceived clarity far more than the upper treble does. Add:

+3 dB @ 2500 Hz Q1.5

For the higher treble range it's best to use sine sweeps for more precise corrections.

>>59178306
Budget - $30-$50 (could go a bit more if there's a much better option)
Source - Realtek® ALC1150 on GA-970-Gaming SLI motherboard
Requirements for Isolation - Not much, I might prefer semi-open, but not much preference (sound quality is more important)
Will you be using these Headphones in Public? - No
**Preferred Type of Headphone - Over-ear (Circumaural), don't like the feel of on-ear
Preferred tonal balance - I want something that is good all-around, I don't plan on mixing/editing very much, but I feel I listen to a fairly wide variety of music. I would prefer warmer/bass heavier than something brighter
Past headphones - JVC FXT90 and Philips SHE3580 IEMs, as well as the Klipsch Image S4i II and the Soundmagic E10. I really liked JVCs and the SHE3580s, and as far as I know they both have somewhat of a V shape to their signature. While the E10s and S4i IIs were good, I didn't feel like they were worth the price. I am currently using the HyperX Cloud Stinger, which is fine but I think could be improved.
Preferred Music - Mostly electronic, but some metal, some rock, classical, and other genres thrown in. I also watch a lot of movies and play games
What would you like to improve on from your set-up - The vast majority of my library is 320k or FLAC, and I feel like I might be missing out with my HyperX Cloud Stinger. To my mostly untrained ears, they don't sound bad, but I think that something in my price range could provide more detail/clarity with better overall sound quality.
From what I've read on Head-fi and reddit it seems like the best options would be either the
Superlux 681 EVO
https://www.amazon.com/Superlux-HD681EVO-B-HD-681-Black/dp/B00CAG1ZAQ
Panasonic RP-HTF600-S
https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Headphones-RP-HTF600-S-Lightweight-Comfortable/dp/B004MMEI8W
I'd be open to any other suggestions.
Thanks.

>>59183575
nothing flashy really. Just to listen to music

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>>59183707
Like so?

How do you guys feel about the koss pro 4aa? I got a pair of the orig 1972-ish run, but it needs new pads and some wiring TLC. Worth the effort, or should I put that cash towards the atm-50s or 40s?

>>59183929
Yeah about right. Switch on/off, you should hear a difference. It's a rather modest boost as it stands. Add a dB or two if you need more of the same or continue fixing the higher treble. Response is too individual in high frequencies that I can't really give you a simple filter to tune it.

>>59184183
Any tutorials on how to EQ using sine sweeps? I have no idea.

>>59178306
tl;dr Is the AT m40x bretty far from m30x? I gave up on finding IEMs and I think I want an AT for my EDC.

Alternatives are welcome.

Valhala 2 or Vali 2? Tried Element with HD600 and vocals were too harsh for me, lowering 2k helped in a way but I still decided to return it (got full refund).

>>59183800
hd 558's are warm and pretty good.

>>59180532
Go get the Cloud Core, the cheapest option. Cloud 2 is a meme to avoid.

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>>59178306
What the fuck

>>59184220
Basically just listen to a sine sweep and equalize the coloration out. Logarithmic sweeps are better. You can find them on the internet but audiocheck.net has handy a generator. Logarithmic sweep from 1 KHz and upwards to 16 KHz is a meaningful range. You generate that and play it back. Pitch of the tone should increase but amplitude should remain more or less constant. Since no headphone can achieve flat response in the treble, you will start to hear the amplitude varying. Then you go back to the equalizer and create a peaking filter which you think corrects the peak or null. Listen to the sweep again to check if it's gone. Adjust the filter, add new ones and repeat the process.

http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sweep.php

>>59183962
>Worth the effort, or should I put that cash towards the atm-50s or 40s?
That's up to you in terms of what you want from a headphone.

All three have different sound signatures; M50x is V-shaped , M40x is more on the neutral side, and the Pro4aa is n-shaped/mid-centric (both old/original and current models).

Afaik, the original Pro4aa was intended for (or at least liked by) radio broadcasters for its passive noise isolation and vocal clarity (the bass and treble are rolled off so you can easily concentrate on vocals). That knob on the left ear cup is made so you can attach a mic via homemade bracket. It's also probably one of the heaviest headphones that's currently sold, at over 600g (both old and current runs share a very similar weight, if not the same). As a comparison, the M40x weighs about 250g.

That said, you can probably try to contact Koss, because I'm pretty sure they'll honor the Pro4aa's lifetime warranty, though I'm not sure if they'll repair it for you or just replace the heaphone with one from the current production run.

If they end up being able to repair it, you could put the extra cash into the M40x or M50x (I prefer the M40x).

>>59181562
>I want them to skullfuck me
You get that with v-shapes and such.

Neutrals take time. The reward is worth it.

I already have Scarlett Solo. Does getting an amp do anything if your can doesn't need one to power it?

>>59184240
I'm on HD600 w/magni2, and fine.

>>59184641
Thanks. I ran the numbers, and shipping it + the return shipping fee($6usd) puts me at about $30cnd... I think I'll just order the ear pads(5usd) and see from there. I also have hd280s, so if I fuck everything up, I'll still have a *decent* set of closed cans.

I have an AKG K702. Are there any other cans out there with better soundstage under $500?

>>59184793
AKG K712.

I need a headphone amp/dac with pre-amp out so I could use it with my active speakers. Is there any alternative to Micca OriGen+?

>>59185127
I think you could get a jds labs ol switcher and use anything you wanted.
https://www.jdslabs.com/products/177/ol-switcher/

>>59185127
*schiit fulla2: non-amp'd aux outputs, with and without volume knob.
*magni2 uber: aux output is powered too, which you don't need.
*sys: 2 outputs 1 input or 2 inputs, 1 output passive preamp.

>>59184240
I feel strongly an amp should be transparent, and headphones should be neutral.

I'm happy with my magni2 (tries to be transparent) + hd600 setup. The vocals aren't forward at all, this is not a bright headphone.

Maybe the Element was coloring things? I know the O2 tries to be transparent, but maybe the Element doesn't.

It's also possible it has to do with the psychological burn-in period. Might take weeks. Won't ever happen if you EQ.

>>59185390
>aux output is powered too, which you don't need.

Does not matter.

What matters is that the signal doesn't get colored (the magni2 is very transparent).

The (possible) downside is that as it's supposed to drive small speakers directly, the volume knob will definitely control gain.

>>59185390
Is Fulla 2 better than Origen+? They will cost the same for me (150 eur).

>>59185557
>Origen+

I don't know the origen, but I looked into it briefly. It seems to be about ticking "audiophile" checkboxes (192KHz, dsd64), but it actually uses a cheap VIA DAC (I'm biased against VIA due to bad experiences with chipsets and their nano cpu, but what do I know). The DAC on the fulla2 is known to be pretty good (measure and sound).

The fulla2 works everywhere due to usb audio class1 standard being well supported. These 192KHz/dsd64 features likely mean no such generic driver support on the origen+.

Then I found this:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/828800/schiit-fulla-2-vs-micca-origen

Which pretty much confirms my suspicions.

>>59185557
Origen+ (from official website)
Output Current: 70mA (Nominal); 100mA (Max)

Seems pretty weak for an amp. Somehow I'm not fond of the specs they list or how.

Their website:
https://www.miccatron.com/micca-origen-usb-audio-dac-and-preamp-2/

Fulla2:
http://schiit.com/products/fulla-2

>>59185557
More headfi quoting both.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/828228/schiit-fulla-2-impressions-thread/255

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Is there anything better than the AKG Y50BT ?

I am looking for a ON-Ear wireless headphones, around 150$ and the AKG seems to be the best choice, some other choices :

-Jabra move wireless - Shitty build quality apparently
-Skull candy Grind ?
-Creative sound blaster Jam, very cheap

what do you guys think ?

>>59185711
The Origin+ and Fulla 2 have both a really nice feature compared to the E10K that I REALLY wanted but at the time I had no idea the Origen+ even existed

That feature is being able to control the volume of the line out (for powered speakers)

Now that the Fulla 2 is out and I've owned the E10K since february last year, is it a good idea to buy the Fulla 2 or just try and get a passive pre-amp for my E10K? Even if I managed to sell the E10K at about the same price that I bought it (98ish €), which I most likely won't be able to, the Fulla 2 still costs around 150€ in Europe, and for 50€ more I could probably just get a passive pre-amp...

>>59186005
I'd take the fulla2 over e10k+passive preamp.

If anything, because the fulla2 has more power than e10k, and can act the many roles well. Flexible as fuck go-to device.

It has a really nice knob, too.

>>59186035
It has more power than the E10K in High Gain? Man, this thing almost makes me go deaf with a pair of HD650s

>>59186005
>Fulla 2 still costs around 150€ in Europe
It's 135 euro if you order form US with 20% TAX. Not too bad.

>>59179616
I've been looking up tons of reviews and I'm still not really swayed one way or the other between these 3 sets of cans. Does anybody own any of these 3 and want to comment on it?
The HD 380 Pro and K553 seem to be my top contenders but I still haven't ruled out the HD 598c. The AKG is the cheapest one due to a sale, but these are all close enough in price that I don't care.

>>59184745
Ah, if you didn't know, the pads on the original Pro4aa were gel filled (which is why yours may look deflated), rather than the foam that they use nowadays. I'm not sure if the newer pads will fit onto the older model because of this (as in if they even made the original ear pads removable). I haven't looked up on this info, so I could be totally wrong.


>>59184793
>>59184864
imo, the K712 has a smaller soundstage than the K702 because of the increase in low end (and thus making it more balanced).

>>59186051
http://www.schiit-europe.com/index.php/producten/dacs/schiit-fulla-2-dac-headphone-amp.html

It's actually just 125€ (for now) in their own european store

I don't know if I'll be able to sell the e10k though...

>>59186108
>It's actually just 125€ (for now) in their own european store
Without shipping. For shipping to my country they want 25 euro.

>>59186046
power != gain.

Gain is about increasing volume (signal is encoded as voltage).

Power is about being able to provide current (amperes) as pulled by the headphones as their drivers try to move.

>>59181562
600's won't do that. I have mine EQ'd and they're gret but probably still too weak for what you would like. Buy something else.

>>59186337
And both of these basically limit the volume and thus the effective gain. Running out of power will lead into nasty overload distortions. You won't be listening your headphones for a minute under that.

>>59186980
So if everything sounds fine than a more powerful amp won't change a thing, correct?

>>59187154
Yes even if "sounding fine" is a rather vague concept. You'll definitely hear if you clip your amplifier though. You only need enough power for your load. Everything above what your headphones draw goes unused and won't alter a thing.

>>59187214
Is the clipping always present, or do I need to turn the knob louder for it to show up?

>>59187154
>So if everything sounds fine than a more powerful amp won't change a thing, correct?

If everything sounds fine. That's the thing.

I used to think my hd598se sounded fine. Turns out, it didn't. With my Modi2Uber+Magni2Uber, it sounds way much better. To describe it with an analogy, it's as if there was a fog in the photograph, and now it is gone.

Distortion isn't necessarily screaming "hey, I sound bad because I lack power". Something I found by experience is that if there's a sweet spot in volume where things sound good, it means the device isn't being driven properly. With a good amp, altering the volume just alters the volume. It doesn't otherwise affect how the headphones sound.

Then there's the subjective bottomless pit of coloring amps. Some amps aren't transparent, which for some means "sound better". Reality is, if it's altering your signal, it is a shitty amp.

>>59187264

Perhaps worth mentioning, too, that the actual volume I'm listening to these days is LOWER than when I didn't have a dedicated headphone amp.

Getting rid of the sweet volume spot is fantastic. It sounds better than that sweet spot used to be. Also, the sweet spot would be different for each song... that nonsense is gone.

>>59187235
>Is the clipping always present
No.
>do I need to turn the knob louder for it to show up?
That's a way to test for it. A competent amplifier will not distort on a realistic headphone load. Pretty safe to say that most will not.

>>59187264
>it's as if there was a fog in the photograph, and now it is gone.
Obvious sound characteristics and changes of sound signature are a part of the frequency response. Lack of power isn't the issue causing something like that. Output impedance and the rare case of poor frequency response of the amplifier are more likely causes here, especially if your load was the HD 598.

I can't speak for what happens between your ears when you switch amplifiers and audio gear.

>>59187341
The HD598se is known to have an odd impedance vs frequency behavior.

crossposted from
>>59187554
becasue I couldn't figure out whether to put a soundcard question here or /pcbg/

>I picked up a MDR-V6 on Tuesday and it's actually pretty quiet going through the shitty motherboard audio chipset, so i'm considering getting a soundcard to amp it properly. What should I get?
>Budget is around $70, I'm in America, and it should have a PCIe connection

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To my T50rp mkiii bros, what mods have you made?

>>59187341
>Output impedance and the rare case of poor frequency response of the amplifier are more likely causes here, especially if your load was the HD 598.

Yeah, that's what the load was.

HD598 is particularly odd, but headphones do have different impedance across frequency, and so not having enough power can really cause a different sound signature, not just the usual mulling on high volume.

>>59187662
>>59187662
PCIe? Why?!?!

Just grab a Fulla2 for $99. It's USB, but that shouldn't actually hurt you.

>>59187723
Well i don't actually have 100 to spend, and preferably i'd like to keep it under 50. Any decent usb amps around that price?

what is the sound signature of the k712

>>59187746
Cheap out with a FiiO K1 at $40
Meet in between with a E10K at $75
Get the best within $100 with the Fulla 2

>>59187799
Fulla 2 doesn't sound better than an e10k. If he doesn't need extra features the fulla 2 is pointless right now if he is poor mode.

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>>59187769
I'd say Bassy though the treble is a bit peaky. Here's a bit of a comparison with other headphones.
DT 990's being V-Shaped, HD 600's neutral and Shure SE215's Bassy/Dark.

>>59187341
>rare case of poor frequency response of the amplifier
You should look at more amp measurements.

>>59187723
The fulla meme.

>>59188050
You're full of shit.

>>59187769
It's very oddly shaped. It has amazing, fast, bass that extends well into 20Hz without much problem. Sounds crystal clear for any percursion instrument. The low mids, and mids in general, are a bit too fat and strong which lead me to some fatigue while listening to Type O Negative. The biggest problem though is the fucking treble. There are 2 nasty and wide peaks besides the 2KHz in the mids: 7-8KHz, and around 13KHz. Very peaky, very sibilant. Listening to metal with very present cymbals was impossible for me. An example would be Focus Shit by Dark Tranquility. The seperation on these is god tier, perhaps a bit too much even. There's also a weird dip around 3KHz that I think is what leads to so much seperation.

>>59178703
Most STAX Lambdas (at least the few that I've heard) were too bright and recessed in some areas for me. I think they are considered better than most things for their obscurity but if it were more readily available it wouldn't be perceived as well.

>>59178728
>>59178833
I don't observe any additional latency when I use APO on my PC.

>>59179266
No, it's subtle but noticeable, most faggots describe it as if it's night and day here. I have both. HD650 has less treble and upper midrange which makes it perceived as though it has more bass and/or less bright.

>>59179475
My PC is worth a few thousand dollars, full meme setup with 1000Hz mouse, 144Hz display, fast CPU/GPU. There is no perceptible difference with APO.

>>59184793
Save up for the HD800 meme.

>>59187941
It's pretty warm but it depends on the music too, some songs without enough bass it can be bright as fuck at times.

>>59188224
>I don't observe
But is there actually any?

>>59179616
>Fantastic build quality for the low price tag but sound quality overall is heavily sacrificed.

I wouldn't even call the build quality fantastic. Sure, it's not uncomfortable, but it is plastic-ey as hell and has a pretty common point of failure where the headband connects to the cups.

>>59188266
I'm talking out of my ass here but if there's any it's gonna be in the nanoseconds.

>>59187769
The bass is slightly overpowered and sloppy, and the treble is a bit harsh. Besides that they're a very detailed, nice sounding headphone. The build qualiy is decent and the design+gel pads are god tier. I'm a EQ novice and I got rid of the harsh treble no problem, when I used to own them.

>>59188224
>My PC is worth a few thousand dollars, full meme setup with 1000Hz mouse, 144Hz display, fast CPU/GPU. There is no perceptible difference with APO.

Nothing to do with petahertz cpu.

Audio filters will always work on some sort of buffer they get from someone and someone else will receive. This means an implicit increase in latency by the size in miliseconds of that buffer.

Generally, it's done with more than one buffer, in a circular buffer scheme.

>>59179475
>Any decent EQ adds an an utterly irrelevant amount of latency depending on how powerful your CPU is
> tfw using APO with VB audio virtual cable

It must be really minuscule. Speaking of latency, doesn't windows resampling also add latency?

>>59188320
>I'm a EQ novice and I got rid of the harsh treble no problem, when I used to own them.
When I owned them I had to lower the 7KHz and 13KHz by about -7dB both. Couldn't stand it. I then thought to myself that maybe I should just get the 650s and so I did and I'm pretty happy right now. I still miss dat bass though, didn't find it overpowering or sloppy at all

>>59181871
>any good comfy earbuds like the iphone 4 but not overpriced?

Monk+ with expack. COULD go with fiio, but I personally like monks more...

You can get nicer ones, but you won't really notice a huge difference until you get to almost 100 dollars with asura and the cygnus.

At 40 dollars I think the best middle ground between the big earbuds and monks is the MRz Tomahawk.

to get this stuff go to Penon Audio, or veclan for anything from Venture Electronics.

>>59188334
>Speaking of latency, doesn't windows resampling also add latency?

Yes, it does. And there's all sorts of crap all the way through the chain that adds latency.

Soundcard drivers, for instance. Some do force some huge buffers and their implicit latency.

>>59187993
Really?

>>59187678

Mass loaded baffle, sound insulation material on cups, loose dampening in cups, bass ports covered, front of driver covered with layer of felt, shure pads, comfort strap.

Looking into some new stuff soon, but mostly I am tuning the amounts of all the above trying to find as perfect a ss as possible.

>>59188396
>Soundcard drivers, for instance. Some do force some huge buffers and their implicit latency.
E10K is driverless class-1 USB. I wonder how much it adds. On another note, I've tried using its ASIO plugin on foobar and it was pretty shit.

>>59188078
>Getting this buttblasted over a meme.

>>59188224
>There is no perceptible difference with APO.
Of course there isn't. Got me a similar meme setup with extremely small input lag monitor. Sound latency is a complete non-issue with the exception of monitoring instruments or vocals in real time.

>>59188398
Yes.

>>59188444
Yet, you're fulla schiit 2.

>>59188429
USB DACs can add a load of latency.

Or actually beat non-USB DACs at latency. It's a case per case thing apparently.

>>59188524
Other than skewed response due to large output impedance amplifier driving impedance varying load just seems like most amplifiers have sufficient bandwidth and linearity in the frequency response. Care to post any examples? Bass roll off in the lowest audible octave is sometimes evident and high pass filters can occasionally touch the high treble.

HD 598 C or HD 380 pro? These things are so similar they're hard to tell apart.

>>59188670
>HD 598 C
I was under the impression these were a complete meme and should be avoided at all costs

Get the HD558s

>>59188571
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AntelopeAudioZodiacPlatinum.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ViolectricV281.pdf

HeadRoom BitHead
Fiio Mont Blanc
Fiio Fujiyama
HeadAmp Pico Slim
Meyer Audio Corda Rock
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AllAmpsJuly2013.pdf

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>>59188716
Yeah minuscule 1-2 dB roll off in the lowest audible octave and possible 1 dB roll off in the highest audible octave. Pass band is flat between the two extremes. Bithead has an odd amount of channel imbalance there. Pic related is actually problematic.

>>59188710
He seems to want closed, as HD598C and HD380Pro are both closed.

598/598se are the better and most neutral of the three open variants of that generation. Actually much better than 558s, particularly in the bass, where 558 is lacking.

>>59188812
1-2 dB is audible. Anything but a flat frequency response from 20 Hz to 20 kHz is unacceptable for a headphone amp.
I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.

>>59188827
Don't they use the exact same drivers? The only difference is the outer shell... Most significantly, the headband.

I own the hd558 and 280pro. If you want closed monitors, I think the MDR v6 are the best value. When I bought my 280, the 380 was a bit cheaper. I convinced myself that was because the 280 are professional ones, and the 380 were more to compete with beats, and thus had more color added to the sound.

Best on ear headphone around 100$ budget ?

I listen to all sorts of music and modern mostly, and prefer something very comfy that you can wear for hours outside walking etc.

will be powered from my smartphone Sony xperia z3 compact

>>59188862
>audible
Depends. If you play a sine wave at 20 Hz and switch between -2 dBfs and A/B it to 0 dBfs you will probably hear a difference. Half a dB at 15 KHz? Pushing it. With musical content on the more critical band present and simulating these levels of roll off with an equalizer? I doubt it.

Even if you did hear the difference with music playing it's not like the device is going to sound light on bass or lack air. It's not going to have a meaningful effect on the perceived sound.

>I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.
Downplaying the importance of such a tiny amount of linear distortion.

You can question how did they manage to create such undesired pass band though. It's easy to make amplifiers' response linear through the human audible range.

What's a good Bluetooth receiver? I want to add a mic and make my headphones wireless, so one of those thumbstick sized Bluetooth guys with a 3.5mm socket would be nice. Battery life is a huge factor, so bt4.0 is needed.

>>59180490
IEMs and on-ears are the only headphones you can wear in public without looking like a person who uses 4chan.

>>59189090
B E A T S
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>>59189041
Koss Porta Pro are $40 and come with a lifetime warranty. They're memephones, but they've been since the '80. They must be good to still be sold today. If you want to spend 2.5 times that amount try to check the Sennheiser Momentum/Momentum 2.0 on-ears: great build quality, good comfort, don't know how they sound tho.

>>59188812
WTF at that motherboard? This is not a loaded test right?

I'm glad I bought an O2 + ODAC for the piece of mind that I'm getting transparent audio, even if my motherboard sounds the same.

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>>59189052
If you can tell there is an audible difference with sine waves, it's also going to be there when you listen to music. Maybe not all music, but claiming otherwise is just a sign of a lack of experience.

>Downplaying the importance of such a tiny amount of linear distortion.
It is what it is. You have a pretty good idea of how audible the roll-offs are and I only posted those measurements to show that a flat frequency response for amps might not be as common as you think.

I don't think there's any major disagreement here. Ending the conversation.

>>59189041
Creative Aurvana Live.
Not crazy comfy, but the sound is good for the price.

>>59189027
>r. I convinced myself that was because the 280 are professional ones, and the 380 were more to compete with beats, and thus had more color added to the sound.

Beats? No, I don't think so.

I have the HD380 Pro. They're pretty neutral and that's apparently their reputation too. They're apparently also a huge upgrade on the 280.

I didn't give it much thought back in the day... plebbit has some spreadsheet, I filtered by neutral and closed, and picked something that met my budget. HD598c did not exist.

I cant decide between AKG K712 PRO, Philips Fidelio X2 and Sennheiser HD 599.
Which of those has the best soundstage especially for gaming?

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Friendly remind that the HD 600s compete against $2,000 headphones according to the Head-Fi review below:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared

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Tyll here. Just a friendly reminder that all headphones sound like shit without $1000 upgrade cables.

>>59189551
Also remember they look like tacky granite countertops and are prone to cracking because the plastic is of incredibly low quality. Just ask anyone with a hd55* series headset.

>>59189509
K712's

>>59189509
Very wide soundstage usually comes with a lot of sibilance and the 712s have it in spades

>>59189509
Anyone know anything about the HD599s? There don't seem to be many reviews or experiences out there to read of.

>>59190055
Probably because it's too expensive to try/recommend

>>59189509
Can't go wrong with any of those

>>59189509
>AKG K712 PRO, Philips Fidelio X2 and Sennheiser HD 599.

HD598se.

Why would you even consider buying some HD599? It costs almost as much as HD600, which is actually good.

Whatsup Gee,
I am looking for a pair of headphones with microphone.

>Budget
About 70, very flexable.
>Location
Belgium.
>Source
Into a computer.
>Type of headphone
Full sized.
>Open or closed
Closed, I don't want to really hear anything while using them.
>Comfort level
Rather more comfy than marginally better sound.
>Sound signature
N/A
>Past headphones
I had a sennheiser 502 for years until it broke, liked it very much. Currently using generic samsung earbuds that came with my phone.

>>59190394
Kingston HyperX Cloud

>>59189509
K712 has the widest out of the three. The rather energetic treble would probably help with bullets and footsteps as well.

Need some nice headphone for my birthday, any advice?

>Budget
50 ~ 150 eur
>Location
Europe Spain
>Source
iPod, laptop.
>Type of headphone
Full Size
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
I would like to be able to wear them for hours without hurting my head.
>Sound signature
They're going to be mainly for rock music.
>Past headphones
I had Superlux 668b, but had to sould them because they VERY uncomfortable.

>>59190538
Rock? Try looking at the SHP9500S'.

>>59188571
>high pass filters can occasionally touch the high treble
*Low pass.
Not that you have a need for it in an audio amplifier. You can still end up with a non-trivial amount of rolloff if you mismanage capacitance.

>>59189325
>This is not a loaded test right?
While I'm not familiar with quirks of RMAA, judging by other results with that mobo, it likely is.
It should look much better if it was unloaded - directly into another amplifier

>>59188716
>32 ohm load
At least as important to state the load condition as the charts themselves. Bass issues should just be a cap coupled to the output, so the issue will disappear as loaded with a higher impedance headphone.
>1-2 dB is audible
Audibility is critically dependent on bandwidth and frequency range of the alteration. Also dependent on playback level, but much greater deviation will be permissible at the so-called limits of the audible range.
For example, necessary minimum matching thresholds as experimentally found by Clark*. Tested at 85 dB, unweighted. Different curves refer to smoothing filters applied to testing. The test procedure is not exhaustive, but it should suffice to demonstrate the issue.
>it's also going to be there when you listen to music
Not quite.
Masking effects in the frequency domain has a strong upward character. General spectral content of music will be further (more than -3dB/oct slope or pink noise PSD) attenuated above 10kHz; when combined with masking effects, objectionable effects tend to not be so significant in practice.

A little note:
>Antelope Zodiac
Analog input stage only. The output from the D/A is a more conventional brickwall.
Brings up the question of how the input stage is built.

*David Clark, "High-Resolution Subjective Testing Using a Double-Blind Comparator," Journal of the AES, Vol. 30, No. 5, May 1982, pp.330-338

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>>59190587

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>>59181994
you're being obnoxious and a little butthurt-sounding, but in a funny way. nice work. pic related is for you

>>59180135
what does it mean when it says html joke

I've an old pair of audiotechnicas from the 70s, but the wire's broken to all hell, so it cuts out all the time and has to be adjusted. Is slicing it open and attaching a new wire (more like 5 new wires) going to compromise sound quality? Thx guys.

>>59190875
Kek. The headphones he was referring to were these:

>>59158137

>>59190538
AKG K612

>>59191005
No.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlWaIDITScI&feature=youtu.be

>>59191175
Who the fuck is this massive faggot?

>>59189509
The pro will have the biggest soundstage for gaming.

No point to consider the HD599 when the HD600 is so close to it in price.

X2 will have the best build quality

They all should be around the same comfort.

>>59191175
>That obnoxious faggy thumbnail

>>59190055
It's to replace the HD598, likely it will be of a similar level of performance maybe with some small tweaks.

>>59190055
>599
Had a listen to it and 579 at the Sennheiser store while waiting for the HE-1 demo.
I didn't write down which one was which, I didn't like either enough to care.

The little mental note went something like this.
(599?)
-I should post "tinny and veiled" on /hpg/ right now, because this is exactly what I'm thinking right now. Sounds like the 558/598, and I hate it just as much.
(579?)
-Does not seem as midbass bloated as 598, but there is a notable peak around 5-6 kHz. Piercing.

>>59192441
Is it though? The HD598 doesn't appear to be out of production and the HD599 appears to be selling poorly compared to it. If anything the HD599 may be the one to go out of production.

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>>59178306
what the fuck happened to her foot

>>59191054
Yeah, I know... he's the guy who was shilling 9500's in every thread until ppl bitched and he responded with that post... and the one above.

funny stuff.

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>>59191175
>hovers mouse pointer over jewtube link
>see retard in thumbnail

>>59192705
What's the matter, anon? Never seen normal looking feet before? What does your feet look like?

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So what's the best looking IEMs?

>>59180352
Any suggestions for high quality earbuds?

>>59188224
>I think they are considered better than most things

uwot?

Bringing up stax here is like trying to give my dog his wormer pill.

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Question!

So it seems the audio in port (the green port) has gone bad and just wont play certain tunes (freq's).
>yes I've tried reinstalling drivers
>yes I've tried different drivers
>yes I googled it

Anyway, I don't know much about Soundcards.
What's a good just add on SC for me? I just need the port lost replaced, though wouldn't mind multiple's of the same.

unless I should try and find an adapter for the digital in. If those even exist? Or even those cheapo Headphone/Mic -> usb adapter (though I have my concerns over loss of sound quality)

>>59193256
>uwot?
Not on /g/ but on places like Head-Fi.

I think STAX is overrated.

>>59193799
Something cheap like a Fiio Q1 will do. You plug it via usb and acts as an external soundcard.

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>>59192847
any etymotic you pleb

>>59191175
Guy's actually pretty chill, there has to be something wrong with Monoprice headphones though. They just seem too good.

>>59193826
>>59193826
so basically I can set it up as follows.

plug in Fiio via usb to computer, and then Headphones to Fiio correct?

or even a speaker system if need be?

>>59193963
Yes, that's how it will go.
Not sure about speakers. It should work, but I'm not familiar with that.

>>59193999
Well at worse I can just use the front ports for the speakers and this for the headphones.

yeah I'll do that.

Appreciate it!

>>59194030
fiio k1 would work as well

>>59193893
I wouldn't be surprised if someone else manufactures the headphones (M560 and M1060) for Monoprice, and lets them slap their logo on it. I could see a company like Hifiman doing this. It's basically a win-win situation for both companies..

Any opinions on the AKG k7xx? Massdrop has it for $199 us right now. I was kind of looking more for closed headphones, was considering the AKG k553 or the Senheisser 598c. Is this worth the extra $50-60?

Looking for some cheap, decent in-ear headphones for commuting via bike.

Also, what is the best way to deal with wax buildup? I seem to have unusually waxy ears. Should I get those disposable foam tips or something?

>>59189041
can anyone provide more suggestions ? its really hard to find a good budget on ear, they are so expensive...

>>59189304
Koss KSC75 if you want to go even cheaper. Same drivers, different style of year but still on-ears.

>>59189041
Beyerdynamic Custom Streets

>>59194820
kz iems, monoprice 8320, Mee audio m6, Brainwavs

Best chink-shit earphones? Money's tight right now.

I really, really can't tell the difference between my rock zircons and my 598 beyond the greater sound stage.

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I bought the Marshall Mode IEM

Is it a good meem?

>>59185456
I don't really care about transparency, I just want my vocals/midrange to sound warm and good to my ears and I've heard that tube amps tend to bump up a mid range so I am open up to trying other things since I can return them if I don't like it.

I don't think Element was colouring anything, it was very transparent and 'clear', but vocals were 'dry', idk how to describe it other way, maybe harsh. I tried to EQ and found out that by tuning 2-4k I made vocals sound better but I still wasn't completely satisfied with it. I've spend almost 2 weeks with element (return time).

>>59195284
There's a lot of factors left out here. I'm just entry level into this but off the top of my head

Sound source could be bad or insufficient. Sound files might be bad/ low bitrate. You could be wearing the 598 wrong in some way.
Or maybe to you it doesn't really matter. Go Craigslist off your 598 and enjoy your rock zircons and some pocket money.

>>59196080
>You could be wearing the 598 wrong in some way.

You know, I've been wondering that for some time, but last time I asked how to properly position headphones I was laughed out of the thread for not understanding normal human ergonomics or some shit. How should they be worn?

>>59195295
>marshall
shit

>$400
>audiosource is iphone 7
>over-ear
>wireless
>active noise cancellation
>decent design - Bose need not apply
I wish I knew it meant comitting to a brand when I bought iphone 4S back in the day. I really, really like Sony's MDR-1000X but their improved 900kbps bluetooth only works with xperia phones. Bose QuietComfort 35 are fucking atrocious looking, Beats (on top of subjective opinions that they sound like shit) are cheaply made and I read about people having to return them because they snapped or otherwise stopped working all the time. Parrot Zic 3 sound like an option but I don't know how good their noise cancellation is.
Should I just roll with Sony MDR-1000x because bluetooth audio is mediocre quality anyway? I've read that it's microphone sucks at audiocalls compared to Bose QC35, but once again, that awful cheap Chinese plastic design...

I rip songs from youtube.

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what are the best anime headphones?

>>59196091
Again, entry level so maybe I'm wrong and/ or some other Anon has a better answer, but to my understanding, you want to make sure that the earcup fully encloses your ear. It should make a "seal" of sorts. You don't want a bunch of background noise bleeding through. This may be more accurate in regards to closed headphones though.

>>59195295
Marshall is shit only metal fags buy them

>>59195295
They aren't actually made by Marshall. They're made by some chink company that focus mostly on headphones aimed at women in flashy colors and "fashion" design.
You did horribly bad.

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>>59196334
K701

>>59196381
That's how most manufacturers do it and have done it for forty years with electronics. Not that it matters.

>>59195284
Maybe it's your source (if in doubt, an usb dac+amp will help)

Maybe it's that you're mixing two headphones; You'd need to use the HD598 for a couple weeks or more, exclusively, to get used to the sound signature. Only after that you'd see the detail.

Maybe you're not listening to lossless? Garbage like mp3s will sound pretty bad on decent headphones.

zx600 or v55?

yes i'm poor

>>59196334
Anything neutral.

I love anime on my HD600+schiit stack.

schiit stack or Focusrite Scarlet Audio Interface?

I want HD600 because neutrality but HD650s are cheaper in my country. Will I lose much in terms of sound by buying HD650s?

>>59196474
I tried my dt 770 on a Focusrite Scarlet 2i2 and it does not drive them well at tall. If you need power, go for shiit.

>>59196527
See >>59180352
I prefer the 650s.

>>59196666
I use the DT 770 Pro with 250 Ohms on the Scarlet 6i6 and they work good.

>>59196474
Schiit Fulla 2 would definitely be enough.

Chances are you don't need the stack, and you're not going to need it in the future either.

What's your load? (what headphones)

>>59196527
If you want neutrality, HD600 is the way to go.

HD650 aren't as neutral. Doesn't mean they're very different than HD600.

>>59196745
AKG K 701
DT 770
M50x

what's the difference between an amp and a preamp

Are beats really that bad? For a non-audiophile with money to spare and commute to take everyday? Beats Solo 3 wireless, to be precise. And not on their own, but with iphone in pair. I wouldn't have considered them if it wasn't for the fact that I own one.

>>59196794
>AKG K 701
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/akg/k-701/with/schiit/fulla-2
>DT 770
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/beyerdynamic/dt-770-pro-250-ohms/with/schiit/fulla-2
>M50x
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/audio-technica/ath-m50x/with/schiit/fulla-2

Fulla 2 seems enough for them all, at >110dB Peak SPL. You can try with Magni 2 for comparison purposes, but personally I'd suggest the Fulla 2, as it's overall the most nifty, useful and cost efficient device schiit makes.

>>59196818
>beats
Overpriced fashion items. They might be not shit, but for the same amount of money you can buy better headphones. Wireless headphones don't care about the source they're paired with.

>>59196870
thanks anon

>>59196743
6i6 is powered by a 12v adapter though. 2i2 only by usb.

>Budget
~100usd

>Location
US

>Source
iPhone 7 (relevant because no 3.5mm)

>Type of headphone
Circumaural

>Open or closed
Closed; my music is not for the general public (Primarily death and black metal, with a ton of rap, electronica, rock and pop)

>Comfort level
Would like to be able to wear them at least 4 to 6 hours comfortably, but I can wiggle on comfort for better audio quality.

>Sound signature
I personally prefer a dark/bassy or v-shaped signature

>Past headphones
Only ones worth a damn (ha) were Sennheiser HD202s and VMODA Crossfade EP. I loved the sound signature on the VMODA, but them bitches crushed my ears and dug into my skull something bad. Uncomfortable and hot as fuck, but sounded amazing, so I suffered through them for a couple years til they finally broke.

I have a couple of IEMs too, Brainwavz Deltas and MEE M6s; they aight, but meh.

>>59197061
Also, I forgot to elaborate that I am hoping to find a Bluetooth set of phones for my phone.

>>59197061
>good comfortable wireless circumaural headphones
>for $100 or less
Good luck with that iFaggot.

Finally got my first audiophile headphones. Looking for a good dac/amp for them. I mostly listen to classical and jazz, the source would be my Audio-Technica record player or my computer. So the RCA inputs are a must.

Budget is about $500. Any suggestions?

The headphones are Beats by Dr. Dre, by the way.

>>59197335
Good thing I used an approximate "~100", not "100 or less", but at least now I recognize your vastly superior ePeen.

Fucking advice threads lol

>>59197478
O2+ODAC

>>59197521
Dude the point still remains: you either get shit wireless headphones, with that budget, or you get good cabled headphones and use the adapter.

>>59197061
Look into Sony MDR-XB950BT, They are one of the best wireless available. also have a switch for uber bass.

>>59196818
If they're cheap enough, and you dont mind sloppy midbass, shit comfort, bad build quality, yeah they're okay.

>>59197478
NFB-11, Jotunheim, Schiit Stack if either are too expensive.

>>59197555
O2 is pretty badvalue when the Magni 2 exists, and the ODAC is garbage value as well. For Christ's sake, my chink DAC has less glare to it than the ODAC. Even a DFB sounds nicer.

>>59197478
>the source would be my Audio-Technica record player
>So the RCA inputs are a must.
Record players need a special thing called a phono stage, normal rca's wont do. The schiit mani is an example of one.

>Budget
Around 300 euros

>Location
Europe

>Source
e10k

>Type of headphone
full sized

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Prefer sound over quality

>Sound signature
Good punch, but not overly boomy, with tamed treble. Not V shaped

>Past headphones
K702. I just want the extreme opposite.

>>59197993
> Prefer sound over quality

I meant:
> Prefer sound over comfort*

>>59197993
oppo pm3 maybe

>>59198008
Way over budget

>>59197982
HAHAHAHAHA
GOOD
MEME

>>59197478
Schiit Fulla2.

Seriously, spending any more than that makes no sense. It won't sound any better.

>>59197993
HD380 Pro perhaps?

>>59196356
Explain further

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Went from a Logitech G430 ebin gaming headset to a pair of Sennhessier HD 280 Pro's a friend gave me.

Best pair of headphones I've ever owned.

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What speakers are these?

>>59198459
Some meme bullshit

Get the LSR 308 or 305

>>59198559
but I'm looking for white ones

>>59198459
>right height
>right angle
I'm impressed.

>>59198384
They're nice, but shit compared to the 380 Pro ;)

New thread >>59198977

>>59185921
http://goldenears.net/board/GR_Headphones/5988266
jbl everest 300 is another choice.

>>59198459
yamaha hs, not sure what size. lsr 305 come in white as well even if the woofer is still black. Don't know how they stack up against each other.

Headphone advice appreciated:

I'd like :
> over ear
> wireless
> noise cancelling
> great sound, good bass
> around 150 pounds (175 Euro)

Thinking of going with these: https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ms-android-oneplus&biw=360&bih=512&q=Sony+mdr+zx770bn&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidw4DS-rfSAhVBDMAKHe0XBTIQBQgWKAA