/pcbg/ PC Building General

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pls r8

How much would G4560 bottleneck rx 480?

>>59177612
Er kauft das Ryzen

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>>59177614
depends on the game
WoW and Arma3 are stressing the CPU hard. The most Games only need a decent GPU. Im playing currently on a i3 and a RX480.

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This is what I'm planning to buy. I couldn't decide on a mobo, so that might change, but the rest is all but purchased.

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>>59177604
First time building a PC plz no bully

>>59177667
U need a cpu cooler, air would probably be fine because it's not a super demanding rig. I wouldn't use the stock one if you're planning on it.

>>59177691
Doesn't the cooler come with the CPU?

>>59177708
Should say if one is included by looking at the cup specifications, but you can get on for like 20 bucks on newegg.

>>59177726
*cpu

>>59177691
Lol he doesn't need a aftermarket cooler for that

>>59177691
wth are you talking about? its a stock i3...

>>59177691
Why not a stock cooler ? we are talking about an i3

So I tried installing new 2 4gb ram on my laptop but might have damaged one of the slots, now it wont turn on and mekes a clicking sound, but i think thats the optical drive. I can take the hard drive out and build a new desktop with it right?

>>59177667
Also, imo you could save money on the case and get an i5 instead of an i3. The case you picked out has a psu included and I see you're buying a seperate one. Get the 500w psu and find a 40-50 dollar case. Check out pcpartpicker.com you can check compatibility as you pick parts.

>>59177667
Is it just me or is that gpu overpriced?

>>59177691
i3-6100
>air would probably be fine
i3-6100
>air would probably be fine
>PROBABLY

>>59177760
What kinda hard drive is it?

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how does the rig look senpai

>>59177822
Should of bought an ssd. Otherwise it seems like any other mid range cookie cutter gaymer build

>>59177799
Toshiba sata3

>>59177758
I just assume it would be loud and shitty, but I could be wrong

>>59177667
>cpu
ok
>case
comes with a psu but it's probably shit. micro atx mobos don't look good in mid towers just get a matx case since theyre cheaper
>ram
hella expensive for what it is
>mobo
its alright
>1050ti
meeeh might as well get a 1050 if you're looking for something cheaper or 470 if you have the budget for it
>psu
it's a pretty power effecient build so doesn't really matter but $65 is expensive for the lower end corsair stuff

>>59177867
yeah you're very wrong

>>59177667
>>59177871
Also holy shit that's a ridiculous price for 1050ti unless that's in maple bucks

>>59177882
Aight, I take it back.

>>59177840
cool
yeah a SSD would've been nice but I'll wait on it. Prices continue to fall.

Does anyone have the Acer GN246HL? It's a good price for 1080p 144hz monitor or know of any that are similarly priced?

>>59177822
>rosewill
Have they not dragged their name through the mud enough times

>>59177907
What kind of panel is it?
Does it have g sync or free sync?
Response time?

Sorry I'm too lazy to look it up

>>59177907
I hear it's solid. I have the Nixeus Vue 24" 144hz. It's pretty good except I keep getting a couple of stuck pixels.

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Been sitting on my old pre built toaster for long enough now and want somethig new. How does that look? Still don't know the motherboard but I just want a cheap one since I wont be overclocking. As long as it works with the processor. Also is 430W enough for tis build. I don't want to go over 650.
Pic related is what I currently have.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/nvFghq

>>59177920
I haven't experienced any trouble with their products

>>59177920
lol, the capstone series PSUs though are, according to many reviewers and places who specialize on PSUs, are their best and actually quite solid.

It was by far the cheapest modular, +80 gold PSU I could get new.

>>59177936
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/nvFghq
I'd get two 4gb sticks of ram so if one goes out your computer isn't dickered totally.

>>59177926
TN panel, no gsync or freesync, 1ms response time, less than $200.(with promo code you get when you sign up at jet.com)

I have a guy offering to buy my Fury X and XL2730Z together for 700 dollars

I should probably take it right?

I don't really want either of them and I don't think I'd be able to get as a good of a price for either on their own

>>59177936
Yeah that psu is fine as long as you don't plan on upgrading the gpu to an enthusiast level card in the future

>>59177930
k

>>59177976
Yeah for that price it's a good purchase

>>59177958
Will do.

>>59177986
Seems there is also a rx 480 4gb available fo the same price. Should I go with that? Also will this motherboard work with the other parst?

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B018XP3AI2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF

>>59178006
Alright i will go for it.

>>59178034
Look for boards with an lga 1151 socket. Also if you plan on getting an rx 480 I would recommend a 500 watt psu just to be safe, they are known for drawing more power than advertised

>>59177612
> not ryzen
>3200 mhz ram
>crazy fucking expensive mobo

6/10

>>59177667
Seagate never ever

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So, I an entirely tech illiterate and have been standing over this thing for hours trying to get it to live based on what a bunch of Youtube videos tell me and I am basically at the end of my rope here. Can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong here?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CJW4jc
I won't even pretend to imagine that this setup is optimal, but I already bought all the parts of this ramshackle PC.

I have an hdd but cannot find it on pcpartpicker to save my life.

>>59178096
I'll go with the XFX 500 Bronze then. Last thing would be is there anywhere you can buy win 10 for cheap? Like product keys or something?

>>59178199
Given that you wired it correctly, what does it do when you try to boot it up?

>>59178216
I was able to get win 10 from my university for free, but I'm not sure of your situation

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>>59178224
Nothing, I might not have even write it correctly as by the time I got to that part I was just guessing.

>>59178284
Yeah, make sure they are connected properly and refer to the psu manual to make sure that you connected the right ones.

Another possibility is that your psu is DOA, but this can be tested if there is a test light on the back of it (just plug it in)

Hello,
im browsing this thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1623768/will-you-be-building-a-new-ryzen-rig-what-have-you-decided-on
And im looking at the Ryzen-Builds in that thread.

Im a bit confused, because there a many builds with 3000/3200MHz RAM with mainboards that only support 2666 RAM speed like the
ASUS X370 PRIME PRO
Asrock X370 Taichi

Is this a mistake?

This is my build:
>>59177612

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>>59178324
I don't really know what to look for :\

>>59178397
Yeah some psu come with a tiny green light bulb that lights up when plugged in. I guess the one you bought doesn't have it.

Have you looked to see if there are any lights on your mobo that turn on?

>>59178374
The uefi will underclock the ram to a lower frequency if there are limitations

>>59178510
I don't know what a mobo is, but no lights turn on anywhere.

>>59178548
It's just short for motherboard.

Try to redo the system panel header wiring. A lot of people make mistakes with that.

If that fails I would advise you to bring the pc to a tech so they can look at it in person, but if the rewire fails I would just say either the psu or mobo are DOA

>>59178603
>system panel header wiring
I don't know what that is either :P

Is worth spending extra to get an 8GB RX 480 instead of 4?

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What should I upgrade first? I can still OC the shit out of the CPU, so I'm looking at GPUs for now..

>>59178640
If you think you'll need the extra vram.

>>59178666
GPU for sure, nice trips btw

>>59178707
Thanks, I've been out of the tech world for some years, what would be a good replacement GPU? around the $200 dollar mark. I assume that anything for $200 now is going to completely BTFO my old AMD 6950 2gb

>>59178723
Depends on what kind of power supply you have desu.

1050 ti or rx 470 are both good cards under that price

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in aud

Does anyone know the diference between the Corsair RM650x and the Corsair RM650i?

halp me /g/amers
need a pc that can do 4x games like civ at 60hz max for my dad's retirement. Minimal cash outlay no window cases or lights pc and 24"+monitor needed.

>>59177649
Get an R9 fury. They're $235 for 85-95% the performance of a 1070 for almost half the price.

Or if you don't care about the performance/cost, you should be buying a 1080Ti.

>>59178772
Same to you, unless R9 fury are $500+ in dollarydoos.

>>59177822
Why is that RX480 so expensive? Is that XFX especially good? I'm used to XFX making shit products.
You can get a Fury for that, or get a RX480 for around $160-$185 by buying one that's on a flash sale.

>>59177783
Yeah i'm an ausfag do you have any suggestions on where to buy my parts? PC case gear is overpriced.

>>59178772
>>59179222
I just looked on Newegg au and it's $333 for an R9 Fury. So yeah. It's even cheaper there comparably.

what is the next level graphics card after an rx 480 in terms of price and performance?

best rx 480 aftermarket card?

>>59180225
Sapphire nitro 8gb works for me

>>59180225
The XFX GTR or MSI Gaming X

>>59178216
Pirate 7 then upgrade. Everything you need is on r/piracy. I know, I'm sorry. That's just where it is.

>i7-4770k
>780

Will my cpu bottleneck a 1080ti? I want to upgrade my graphics card but I'd rather avoid upgrading cpu/mobo since I'm going to buy a new monitor.

Also I don't know if this is the right place for monitors but are the PG348Q/X34 still king?

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>bought a mITX case
>mfw I soon realized that the mobos are twice as expensive for less features found in mATX or ATX ones and there's less options to choose from

Lesson learned I guess.

>>59179238
Umart or msy

>>59180351
>Will my cpu bottleneck a 1080ti?
It won't.

So, I built my current PC back in late September.

6700k, MSI 1070 are the 'main' parts.

Honestly, are they worth selling at this point in time?

It's just that I kept my last PC for 4+ years, and of course the parts are worth nothing now. But this time around, I want to swap n' change my parts, making sure that they have good resale value. I just don't really know when I should go about doing it.

For reference, I paid £230 for the i7 (boxed new from a friend), and £350 for the 1070 (used for a few days for benchmarks)

Thanks!

>>59180597
no wait 2 years

>>59177612
Good thing you're a retarded autist.

>>59177667
It's shit, obsolete technology. Get G4560 + RX470 and stay away from USB WiFi.

Anyone know when or if the nvidia 1050, 60 or 70 might drop in price given that a new ones gonna be out soon.

So my friend is utterly convinced that the GTX 1060 is better than the RX 480. How do I prove him wrong?

>>59182736
>How do I prove him wrong?
Show him benchmarks.

>>59179222
this is probably the best RX 480. It has the best overclocking capability, great cooler with swapable fans, and 8gb VRAM.

The Fury is a good card still, but I think you have it mistaken with the Fury X. The Fury and the 480 are about on par, but the 480 has more VRAM.

>>59180351
If you think it does, just overclock.

>>59177604
Is it a good time to buy? I have enough money for the system I want to buy. Is waiting for Ryzen 5 and Vega worth it?

I will personally be waiting until R5 since the current Intel chipset is on the way out. AMD is cheaper and if the benchmarks are correct has been outperforming the Intel CPUs. Might as well just go Ryzen and wait a couple months.

>>59183838
Meant to reply to>>59183659

>>59183938
I guess that makes sense. R5 is coming q2 right?

>>59178823
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kzJy9W

If you need cheaper, get rid of the SSD and maybe step it down to a GTX 1050 or RX 460.

>>59184060
Yes. So basically it will release between now and June.

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just fuck my shit up famalam.
how the fuck do I know if I need a tower or if a mid-tower is enough? is it worth to buy a more expensive tower or is this just gaymer style shit?
is watercooling actually a good idea?

the only thing I know is that I will go for the 1080ti and the ryzen. money doesnt really matter. I hardly ever play games.

>>59184091
Sounds good

>>59184342
>16GB RAM
>$249.99
Now this is some advanced autism.

>>59184449
that doesnt really help. too expensive?

My RX480 keeps saying Application has been blocked from accessing graphics hardware.

Is this a driver issue or should I RMA?

>>59184342
Mid tower is more than what most people need. Considering that you only have one gpu, mid tower is your best bet.

>>59184501
Do you r e a l l y need 4200 ram? I get that ram is expensive these days (2400 is still going to run me 120 burgers) but spending that much on very minimal returns is kinda dumb unless there's a special reason

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LRpHQV

cpu + mobo + storage + ram pending, waiting for it to arrive

otherwise the rest is what i already have

swapping to ryzen

>>59184671
>Do you r e a l l y need 4200 ram?
hard to say, but the price difference is like 100 bucks. I bet there are better places to cut costs. ram is not the thing I would personally be cheap.

>>59177667
You can get an i5 7600k just price match this at staples

http://www.microcenter.com/product/472532/Core_i5-7600K_Kaby_Lake_420_GHz_LGA_1151_Boxed_Processor

you can get 16gb for that price

>gtx 1050 $239

You can get 1060 6gb for that price, go on jet and use triple15


Goddamn your picks make me wanna kick the shit out of you

>>59184757
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LRpHQV
>Buying windows
>980 ti
Why?

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O-ohayou /pcbg/
I was wondering if my build justifies me getting a 144hz monitor. I would really like another monitor (current one is a joke) so that I may dual-monitor, hopefully triple one day, and I remember a year ago lots of people saying that you shouldn't get anything under 144hz.

>>59184805
Well if you want to cut costs, getting a small m.2 for your OS and using a regular hdd for storage wouldn't hurt. The 1080ti comes out next week, so the non-ti version is going to drop in price with it. Like I said before, getting a mid tower would probably be better for you, in addition to a lower price tag.

>>59184814
i got it from ms software swap
980ti because my r9 290 wasn't enough for 144hz

what's the issue? i already iown everything except the cpu/mobo/storage/ram.

currently using 4790k, z97 extreme6, 250gb 840evo + 1tb barracuda, and gskill ares 1866 cl9 ram

I want to build a small silent ITX machine with underclocked parts to save power and reduce temperature so I can use passive cooling instead of noisy fans.

Can I do this inexpensively?

>>59184852
I think you need a gpu to get 144hz.

>>59184852
144hz really only benefits people who play fast paced games
so check benchmarks if you gpu can handle 144hz on the games you want to play or be prepared to see everything in potato

>>59184915
better*

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>>59184915
How is the ASCock Z270 SuperCarrier? I'm thinking building a Navy-themed build for a friend of mine who worked on a carrier back in the 2000s (the USS Stennis, I think)

>>59184858
1080 conformed to be $500 and 1070 is like $350.

>>59184966
I knew that you dingleberry
Im glad I waited for ryzen benchmarks to start my build because I was pretty heartset on getting a 1070

>>59184948
John C Stennis

bio father served on that
sack of shit

>>59180426
>empty PCI slots are a feature

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>>59184915
>>59184927
Fug... Would SLI make a difference?
Is a 144hz monitor only worth getting if you can get FPS over 60?
I only play ffxiv and it struggles to reach 60.

>>59177604
I preorder asus prime x370. WIll it support 3200mhz ram easily?

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>>59185182
>Is a 144hz monitor only worth getting if you can get FPS over 60?

>>59185226
pls no bully

Which brand of hard drive should I get my new build. I've heard shitty things about Seagate but are they as bad as everyone says?

>>59185056
>sack of shit
The carrier or your father? :^)

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How is this?

Comes out to $1266. Going to pair it with a GTX 1080Ti

The case comes with a free PSU which is why there isn't one listed.

I'm currently saving for a build. My current PC is from 2009. I'm settled on everything except a GPU. My GPU budget is 200-350 bucks. My Goal is 60+ FPS 1080p Gaymen.

Should I wait until Vega releases and get then best GPU 350 $ can buy, or should I get a RX480 ( or 1070 if the price drops) now ?

>>59185912
1070 will drop to $350 when the 1080ti comes out.

>>59185182
totaly worth it just to see how smoothly ufotest runs

R5s when.

>>59185929
How longs that. I already fucked around and waited for raizen

>>59177612
get rid of that shit cooler and go hybrid.

the psu is overpriced.

the case is too cheap probably.

you still need a vega card.

>>59187252
1080ti releases next week

>>59178639
Are you still here dude? I can help.

>>59184873
For doing what with? The answer completely hinges on that.

>>59186915
"Q2"

I picked up a MDR-V6 on Tuesday and it's actually pretty quiet going through the shitty motherboard audio chipset, so i'm considering getting a soundcard to amp it properly. What should I get?

Budget is around $70, I'm in America, and it should have a PCIe connection

What do I build, now that Ryzen is proven to be a huge shitty meme.

i7-7700k + 1080?

>>59187554
Uhh >>>/hpg/?

Also are you plugged into a headphone jack or the center out channel of your mobo?

>>59187560
ryzen + vega if poorfag.

or

7700k + 1080 ti if average fag.

>>59187591
>le ebin ayymd poorfag maymay
>all R7 CPUs cost more i7-7700K

>>59187589
yeah I couldn't figure out if a soundcard question would go either here or /hpg/

For the record, the center line out jack

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so /g/

i'm looking to build a super cheap workstation that i can upgrade as i get more work. I currently just need something to run Photoshop/Ilustrator, a basic IDE, and other misc. tasks.

I think i'm on the right path with this build, but i'm wondering if i should upgrade to a better mobo to get faster I/O and usb c/3.1

i work for a digital marketing company doing design and light web dev and my girlfriend needs a box she can do her graphic design work on.

Should i build this, or should i save a bit and get a better mobo? I want to add a graphics card, and eventually add more memory and get a better processor, but for now i just need something that boots and will let me get my work done.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GCcrPs

>>59187635
Yeah that's weird that it's quiet then. My ATH M50x's are loud as fuck in the center channel. If the impedance is high on yours though then you're going to need something to drive it for sure. I'd check out hpg, they'll be able to help on amp vs soundcard as I honestly have no clue.

>>59187667
well this might have something to do with it:
>m50x listed impedance: 38 ohms
>mdr-v6 listed impedance: 63 ohms

sounds like i definitely need a soundcard then.

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quickly i need a good 144hz 1080p monitor with freesync

>>59183204
>The Fury is a good card still, but I think you have it mistaken with the Fury X. The Fury and the 480 are about on par, but the 480 has more VRAM.
The 480 is on par with 390, not with Fury.

>>59187713
>i definitely need a soundcard then.
Yeah just check with hpg because I'm not sure if a soundcard or an actual amp would be better for the money.

>>59187519
Ree

>>59187642
If you plan on keeping the pc around awhile I would recommend investing more into a motherboard with features you want/need.

Due to space constraints, it is better to have a radiator used an exhaust with pull-only fans, or use the radiator with push-fans but as an intake?

>>59188171
that's the conclusion i'm coming to, i definitely don't want to keep such a low-powered CPU long term, but it's still an insane upgrade from what i've got now

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Does anyone have experience with the Toshiba Q300 SSDs?
I'm asking because microcenter has the 1TB Q300 Pro for $230 and the 960 Q300 (non pro) for $210. at less then 23 cents a gigabyte its pretty affordable for an SSD, I just want to know if the difference between the pro and non pro is worth it. I looked at some reviews online, but they only have the old ones before the new 1TB controller.

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First build for neet gaming. Got hard drives already

Is the 470 red devil worth it or should i just get 20€ cheaper version?

are people finally starting to realize that 144hz is just a meme?

>>59188583
Yes. 360hz is the new standard now

>>59188583
>BUT MOOOOOOOOOOM, I CAN'T CLUTCH WITHOUT A 144HZ MONITOR, ALL OF MY FRIENDS HAVE ONE

>>59188509
Bad built m8.. bad built. i3 is dead after the release of the G4560, PSU is too expensive and PowerColor makes shit GPUs.
RAM is also too expensive, G.Skill NT should be cheaper, unless jews raised prices again.

>>59188509
>>59188509
i would splurge on faster ram and a better mobo, cheap out on the processor because the G4560 is a fucking beast

otherwise the build looks good. IDK that you're gonna get too much more out of a slightly better GPU

Which one for gaming, 6700 or 7600k

>>59189002
7600K if we're talking about vs the non-K 6700.

Just bought a 1070 after hearing the ti news. Should I return it and get a lowered price 1080?

>>59189332
Why not

>>59189332
Yes, or buy another (or 2) 1070 as they will be $350 when the 1080ti releases.

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ok so I got a weird question about which gpu I gonna buy for a specific task. It need to run 6-8 screens all at once, I know one gpu can't do shit but i'm gonna connect 2 matrox triplehead2go on the gpu to be able to connect all the screens. But my question is which rx series will do the trick? and how much memory do I need? 4g or 8g?

Also, I can,t wait for vega since I need to fix that problem soon enough to meet the deadline for an event.

For like 20 euros more you could get the Sapphire Nitro RX480 my dude. You could get the g4560 pentium instead of the i3-6100 and spend the 50-60 ish dollars you save on a SSD or 8 more gigs of ram.

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>>59188509

Changed the processor and mobo and 3000mhz ram. Also which of these cards? 8gb would last longer, no?

Is there any reason to buy the 7600k over the G4560?

>>59180597
You could get Ryzen and then another upgrade in 2 years would be a lot cheaper since you won't have to change the motherboard.

If you have the money, yes there is no reason not to.

I'd keep the 1070 and wait for Vega/Volta to upgrade GPU though.

>>59190001
>Is there any reason to buy the 7600k over the G4560?
Work, OC, higher FPS / graphics, not bottlenecking your high-end GPU, etc.....
Thos two CPUs are in different leagues.

>>59190089
this

>>59183204
ffs the reference r9 fury is 35%+ better than the reference RX480.

It doesn't matter how good of an RX480 that is. It's not as good as an R9 Fury.

In the $180-$350 range, the r9 fury is the only graphics card you should get it. Nothing has been in that price range for months that competes.

RX480 and 1060 only becomes worth it under $180 and 1070s haven't dropped under like $320 when they need to be well under $300 to compete.

>remember when everyone said the 1080ti was going to be $1000

>>59184342
$590 for a 1080 lol

Why don't you get a 1080Ti?

And I don't think that board will run 4200 RAM reliably.

Get some 3200-3600 that's low cas latency.

No, AIO coolers suck. Get a Noctua or Be Quiet! Make sure your rAM heatsinks have clearance. I prefer getting RAM without heatsinks and putting my own heatsinks on.

>>59190001
If all you do is shitpost on /g/ then no...

>>59187854
No one wants to do this research for you. It's too much of a pain.

for all the people who are new to /pcbg/, just remember.... if they had their way, you would wait up until right before you died to order your parts or else you would just be 'wasting it' on something inferior instead of waiting for the next generation.

i bought a 1080 a month ago, shit's nice.

>>59190492
I bought my 1080 a week ago, for what I thought was aprice error.
My price error price (last week ) is the same as the newly announced MSRP.
I lost nothing at all.

Now I am debating if to keep this card or not..
the 1080ti is gonna be an extra ~400 canadian moose money over the vanilla 1080

>>59190492
>If I had waited, I could have gotten a board with 2 M.2 slots instead of one
>If I had waited, I could have gotten a laptop with superior performance and battery life
>If I had waited, she would still be alive

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>>59190574
>If I had waited, she would still be alive
What happened to you desu?

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What's the best color scheme for a water cooled rigid tubing build?

Nerds always seem to just go with "yellow" or "green" or "red" color scheme.

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They stopped stocking the Phantek Enthoo Luxe in white on PCCaseGear.

Anyone have suggestion for a better white case for a water cooled hard tubing build?

>>59190730
Blue obviously

>>59190730
-Spicy Ramen Broth Red-Orange
-Sewage Green
-Food Poisoning Vomit Pink
-Dehydrated Piss Yellow
-Lactose Intolerant Shit Brown
-Pus from Your Backne Ivory
All these colors coming to a Sherwin-Williams near you.

>>59189736
8GB on 470 is fucking worthless.

You're better off getting a 4GB R9 Fury for slightly more money but almost double the performance.

4GB of HBM is equal to 6-8GB of GDDR5.

>>59190001
There's really no reason to buy any pentium except the G4560 and i3-7350k.

The others are hopelessly overpriced.

>>59189736
Z270 is absolutely stupid unless you want to upgrade but even then... Coffee Lake will be on a new socket. This makes no sense.
RAM is 3000+ i guess, just as stupid, see above. PSU is shit, Corsair budget PSUs suck ass.
>two GPUs
I guess you want to know which one to get? If so, RX470 4G is the best option to pair with the G4560. 8GB RAM on 470 makes no sense.

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Looking for a cheap CPU to run some games, should I wait for the 1600 (whenever that is going to release) or get a Intel CPU.

I've heard even old Sandy Bridge CPU's are still good so whatever the cheapest option is.

Games I play are:

H1Z1
Arma 3
CS:GO

thank you.

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Im holding off till I see some ryzen benchmarks, already got the psu memory, ram and the monitor

>>59184546
Bleese halp else I must sell my kidney for a 1070 instead

>>59191138
Define cheap. 1600 should be around $200-280, i think, and it will release in Q2. You could get a 6600K today, but imho if you can wait then wait.

>>59191150
>i7-6700K
>B150
Nice meme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

>>59191150
you're going to need an intel processor either way to use those components anon

>>59191138
G4560 if you buy something today. You can make a PC that can play those games for well under $500 if 30fps in Arma is well enough.

Dont waste money on an overpriced 6600k, 7400, and shit like that like others are saying.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8mH3BP
I'd do this plus get an RX470 for $110.75 https://jet.com/product/ASUS-ROG-STRIX-Radeon-RX-470-4GB-OC-Edition-AMD-Gaming-Graphics-Card-with-DP-14-/b5a0eed5f59e4460965bb264e3d46c24

Then upgrade to Ryzen (and Vega) later. Only waste like $120 to have an okay gaming PC as you wait. Plus you'll be able to resell that G4560 and motherboard for probably 75% what you paid for them 3 months later because Ryzen 5 isn't going to tank the value of Pentiums like it will the i3, i5, and i7s.

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>>59191265
>stock intel cooler
>on that mobo and cpu
This legitimately still triggers me in 2017.

What is the optimal monitor setup if I want 1440p for productivity but 1080p for gaming?

Is a 1440p monitor + 1080p monitor dual setup ugly?

>>59191543
What? Just buy a 1440p monitor then set your in game resolution to 1080p when you want to play anything

>>59191543
>Is a 1440p monitor + 1080p monitor dual setup ugly?
Yes, it will look stupid and imho the idea itself is stupid. Do what >>59191566 said or get a GPU that can handle 1440p, if you want dual then add a cheapo monitor as secondary.

>>59190730
Purple
Blue
Black

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Guys I think I fucked up big time.

I recently bought an i5 7600k with a Z170 mobo without putting much thought into it. Apparently, Z1Z0 mobos need a BIOS update in order to work with Kaby Lake CPU's.

Does this mean that I just need to put the BIOS (which I found online) on a flashdrive and boot it accordingly to update? I read somewhere that I might need to use a Sky Lake CPU to boot it at all, in which case I'm fucked since I don't have one and will have to return the mobo for a Z270. But another source said it might work without it so I'm not sure.

Pls help.

>>59191892
You're fucked.

There are boards that can update without a CPU. They are rare and I think only ASUS did it, but I can't remember.

Just return it and buy a 270 unless you know someone with a skylake chip and they are cool enough to let you use it.

>>59191150
You should read up on evga's ACX cooler and the fires.

>>59191150
Ya either get a different 1070 or the newer evga 1070.
The old ones catch fire like
>>59191964
said.

>>59191930
>They are rare and I think only ASUS did it
FUCK ME

This is what I bought
https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z170A-KRAIT-GAMING-3X.html#down-bios

Guess I'm returning it...

I'm on a tight budget, would it be okay if I used my HDTV instead of a monitor?

>>59192003
'swhat I did for my first build. Your framerates will be awesome at 720p.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2jV4jc

Like other people, am holding off on getting the mobo and CPU until R5 benchmarks come out. Should I plan on getting the new AMD GPU or should I just get a 1070 once it gets a price cut? (planning to spend around $260 max on my GPU)

Can someone give me their gtx 1080 build that they bought that worked?

>>59191150
Like it's been pointed out to everyone else: get an R9 Fury.

$235 for 90% the same performance of the 1070.

And just buy a Windows 10 key off Kinguin.

>>59192058
Also by "give" I mean give the list.

>>59192030
It's a 1080p tv

>>59191259
I don't plan on overclocking so why would I pay more for a mobo that can
>>59191964
>>59191983
thanks for the tip on this one, I'll go with a different manufacturer on the 1070
>>59191302
I was going to swap out the mobo for the ryzen processor, but besides that the ddr4 ram should be compatable
>>59192124
I want the extra 10% performance and the windows 10 that is listed is just a place holder, got a key from a computer repair place for free

MSI gaming or Asus Strix or Sapphire Nitro+ for rx480 ? XFX GTS is not available in my country

>>59192454
MSI or Sapphire Nitro+, whichever is cheaper.

>>59192422
>I want the extra 10% performance
Then why don't you spend $300 more for the 50% more performance of the 1080Ti?

Why is $200 worth 10% more performance but $300 is not worth 50% more?

So I've heard about the R9 Fury, is it better than the RX 480? How much better? Will most likely be getting the Sapphire.

>>59192454
MSI one has been pretty solid for me outside of my issue at >>59184546 which I'm sending it in for a RMA.

I tried the Sapphire before that but it got a lot hotter. Like, 70-75 on average when running above moderate use. Started crashing my system, so I exchanged for the MSI one.

>>59192422
I just installed my acx 1070ftw after reading up about it, and freaking out thinking I needed to crack it open and lay $30 worth of fujipoly. I looked down the edges and there are shitloads of thermal pads all over the place. Some early ones had a problem with too thin pads not touching the vRAM all over or at all, and of course the mosfet/choke circuit was left out too, but mine has good thick pads everywhere I can see. It'll be fine. Although if I had the chance I'd order a different one, to be fair, I just hate returning things. Evga's response to the issue - advance rma for anyone who wants it - is pretty good. They'll send you free pads so you can fix it, or put the pads in for you, or just send you a new one. The big goof was turning down the fan speed to make them quieter, it just combined with the lack of TIM to make a housefire of an issue. Any card made after november I think will be fine.

>>59192551
What is a good alternative 1070? I really like the heat sink on the evga cards so it would be a damper if I couldn't get one but its not that big a deal

1070 pricedrop when? I want 144hz 1080p for $90 more than a RX 480.

>>59192494
I plan on getting a 4k monitor later on this year and the R9 Fury wont really cut it

>>59192511
It's at least 35% better.
It's roughly equal at 1440p as the RX480 is at 1080p.

If you can get an RX480 at like $150-$160, that's better for the money. Or even $180, if you're just doing 1080p 60hz.

It's 85-95% as good as the 1070, depending on the game, and you know the 1070 is significantly better than the RX480.
I believe it actually handedly beats the 1070 with Doom Vulkan at 4K. So yeah, it's a really great card and amazing value.

>>59192667
Next week when the 1080ti releases. It will be $350

would it be stupid to pair a 1080 with a i5-6500

Will a I5-6600k bottle neck a 1070?

>>59192746
The current one I have planned is the XFX GTR 480 card (which is $245 on Newegg). The R9 Fury on Newegg is the same price approximately though so I'm a bit torn.

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yo if i just go all across the board on the fair tier of logical increments will i be cucc'd? any changes you guys would recommend?

>>59192708
The 1070 won't either.

The Fury will at least do 60fps in Doom Vulkan.
You need a 1080Ti or Titan XP for a consistent 60fps across a variety of games.
Or, Vega, obviously. That's why the R9 Fury is a nice holdover until Vega/Volta drop.

Whatever. Nevermind. You're dumb and I give up on you. Waste your money.

How much would it cost to build a ps4/xbone equivalent pc? Could it be done for less than the cost of an actual ps4/xbone?

>>59192820
also this is just a budget gaming pc to keep at my brother's house when i stay the weekends. the most intense thing i'll put it through is just fpss and mmos

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>>59192651
the icx cooler looks exactly the same
Also it's got 'icy' in the name, can't think of why they didn't use it at first.

>>59192809
How are you torn. You have to be retarded to spend more money on a slower card.

The only downside to the R9 Fury is that it uses more power.

>>59192667
Can you not read? Get an R9 Fury.

>>59192820
Why get a 1050 for $110 when you can get an RX470 for the same price?

And why a G4600 over a G4560 that's cheaper and better?

Holy shit that site is fucking awful.

>>59192820
I'd say go for the 1050ti if just for the extra VRAM. Get a 470 if you want to go even more above.

>>59192850
I have the 1070 superclocked 2 icx card shits nice.

>>59191450
This is awful advice.

1. With a Pentium, you're bottlenecked not only in games, but normal tasks.
2. You will be stuck on the Intel platform of CPUs unless you decide you're okay with also buying a new motherboard.
3. If you do as this anon says, then you'll be on the hook for selling a Pentium and possibly a motherboard. Selling a 6600k used on the other hand, or any unlocked i5 really, is pretty easy because they are popular CPUs.

What's good about the 6600k is it's cheap, it's good, it's easily overclocked, and the supported motherboards are abundant and cheap. It still benchmarks as one of the best CPUs on the market.

>>59192851
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-RX-480-vs-Radeon-R9-FURY

Really now?

Asking here because I already asked in SQT, increasing my odds

I'm in the market for a decent dynamic microphone and desktop stand, anybody have any suggestions?
Also looking for a 1080p, at least 60hz monitor that isn't overpriced, but it's less of a priority

Is it worth upgrading from a 3570k yet

Thinking about making a new build with a 7700k

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>>59192966
Monoprice makes good, cheap desktop stands. Says it can support up to 66 pounds. Watch out for the shipping price though.

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Alright, guys. I've got a pretty interesting problem at hand and I'm wondering if anyone here can help me. I already tried doing a lot of research on my own and multiple other sites seem to be filled with faggots. According to them unless you drop $1000 on a PC you're just wasting money, but I digress.
My situation is this: I have an old i7-960 CPU, and I just got an RX 480 GPU for gaming.
Can anyone help me out to find the cheapest CPU that won't bottleneck my new card? The reason I need it to be cheap is because I need to upgrade my motherboard as well as RAM, which I have calculated will cost $260 without the CPU. So which CPU should I buy?

>>59192921
The G4560 is not going to bottleneck you past 60fps in the vast majority of games.

And it's cheap, replaceable, good resale value to upgrade to Ryzen or Coffelake.

It's amazing advice, you're just too stupid to understand it.

>What's good about the 6600k is it's cheap, it's good,
4 threads for $200 plus an overpriced motherboard with no upgrade path. That CPU+Motherboard alone is almost as much as the entire computer for what I listed. Fuck off, retard.

>>59192958
If you really think gpuboss isn't the most inaccurate website to judge performance, please go ahead and kill yourself as you'll never succeed at anything in life.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1182-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/page2.html

>>59187298
>case is too cheap
Shoo shoo begone jew

>>59193025
Ryzen 3 when they come out would be the cheapest that won't bottleneck your card.
Go with an 8thread to be safe if you can afford the extra $40 or whatever it ends up being, too.

>>59193021
a microphone stand you dip

poorfag coming through with a question, a bit of a noob too. I got an older rig with an i5 2500 3.3ghz CPU.

Looking to get a XFX RX 480 GTR 8gb. Is there even a point with my current CPU? or will I be running into a massive bottleneck?

Also I'd be upgrading from a GTX570. Anyone know the power difference between these two? I've Googled it but see different answers for the power consumption.

Thanks.

>>59193078
>posting a graph that has the R9 Fury but no 480 to compare it to
You really are a shill aren't you?

>>59193089
>just wait™
I've been doing that for a long time, which is what got me into my present situation.
Are you pretty sure that it'll be worth it?

>>59192921
>With a Pentium, you're bottlenecked not only in games, but normal tasks.
this not a pentium from 1995, retard. It can handle both fine.

Hello, /pcbg/

I need help building my first PC. Looking for a budget limit of $1,000 plus preifierals for a first build (monitor, keyboard, ect). Would anyone be able to help me out? Will mostly be using this for gaming and some work/writing. Furthermore, I don't want to be overclocking it either so a build without that would be good.

Thanks!

>>59192991
If the only thing you want to upgrade is the CPU, then no.

>>59193099
You didn't specify.

>>59193025
take a look at a xeon x5650 or x5675, they are 40usd and 80usd each and are compatible with your mobo i think. They are 6 cores 12 threads cpus and when oced they perform like a 3770

>>59193150
>dynamic microphone and stand
c'mon buddy

>>59193152
too bad my mobo is a shitty Dell OEM one and it doesn't have overclocking

>>59193171
>I'm in the market for a decent dynamic microphone and desktop stand, anybody have any suggestions?
>dynamic microphone and desktop stand
>[dynamic microphone] and [desktop stand]

>>59193192
>context is nonexistant

>>59193106
The RX480 has virtually identical performance to the 390X.
Everyone knows that except for morons like you.

Go look up other benchmarks. They'll show the same thing. I'm not here to tutor retards that can't use google.

>>59193110
Buy a Ryzen 7 now instead. The cheapest one is $329 and there are motherboards under $100.

Otherwise wait. i3, i5, and i7 are all horribly overpriced.

>>59193202
>spending $100-$200 more for the same performance.
I feel sorry for people like you.

>>59193212
>The cheapest one is $329
And that's not overpriced?

>>59193219
The fuck are you talking about?

The R9 Fury is only $235

Good job being unable to read. You're as stupid as the other guy, assuming you're not the same person.

>>59193252
Um... it roughly matches a $1050 CPU in workstation and rendering tasks, and is 97% the same performance in gaming as the $330 i7-7700k, so what do you think?

Are you being serious, or what?

>>59193271
So i should get the 7700k?

>>59193253
I'm not, you're just fucking retarded. The R9 Fury can range anywhere from $260 to $400. On the other hand, RX 480s go from $200 to $250. They are not the same price. A simple google search can tell you this. You are a fucking moron.

>>59193212
The 6700k is cheaper and has better benchmarks than ryzen

>>59193271
>>59193271
>it performs as well as this $1000 cpu but not as well as this other $300 cpu
yeah that makes sense

>>59193291
The R9 fury $235 on Newegg and Amazon right now. And it's been that same price many times since Black Friday.

It's amazing how you can't understand how stupid you really are. Please kys.

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>>59193327
>>59193290
>>59193302
>>59193314
t. losers with no life outside of gayming

>>59193357
Please tell me then whenever the topic of mid range AMD cards comes up, why is the R9 Fury never mentioned?

>>59193391
Because /g/ is more than 99% idiots who know nothing and just parrot other stuff they've read on /g/ from other idiots.

Since you need that explained to you, yes you are one of those idiots.

>>59193357
But the RX 480 has 8GB for the same price of a R9 Fury that only has 4.

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>>59193367
>That image.

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>>59193444
The R9 Fury has HBM, you stupid monkey.

I can't tell if you're trying to intentionally pretend to be that retarded or if that's a sarcastic shitpost. It looks like you're actually that retarded.

>>59193200
>General is called "PC Building General" on 4chan's Technology board
>Context is technology, computer building, and computer shit in general
>Context is NOT microphones specifically
>"I'm in the market for a decent [dynamic microphone] and [desktop stand], anybody have any suggestions?"
>No explicit connection made between [dynamic microphone] and [desktop stand]
>No implied connection either since [desktop stand] usually refers to a stand for a desktop computer IN THIS CONTEXT
>You're asking for two unrelated things logically
>[desktop microphone stand] refers to a stand for a microphone, which is meant to be placed on a desktop
>"I'm in the market for a decent [dynamic microphone] and [desktop microphone stand], anybody have any suggestions?"

I'm not here to be your English teacher, but holy fuck, do yourself a favor and take a composition class.

>>59193367
What?

>>59193466
fucking chill seriously I was just wondering your reasoning

Intel CPU price drop when????

>>59193417
>Because /g/ is more than 99% idiots who know nothing
Sounds like you just think you know everything.

Thoughts on XFX GTR rx480 ? It's not the black edition but it found one for cheap in my country. The one in the link
https://newegg.com/product/index?itemnumber=N82E16814150782

need help plzs. it's my first time building a budget pc (my range is 450 but i could go to 500 if absolutely necessary)
i have this g4560 + rx470 build i'm considering, but some friends are suggesting an AMD build, arguing that pentium is shit and blah blah blah.

i have no idea about which is better or not. should i stick to the 4560 build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WqGq9W
or go with something more akin to this (AMD):
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3186807

do faster cpus actually cost more to produce or is it just a meme?

>>59193640
I'd imagine they're a little bit more expensive (depending on the model) but the main point at which Intel sets its prices is what customers are willing to pay. Jew bastards.

>>59193637
>some friends are suggesting an AMD build, arguing that pentium is shit
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-FX-9590/3892vs1812
pentium vs most powerful amd cpu atm

>>59193645

>>59193140
Any help anyone?

>>59193677
wow. I never realized how shit AMD actually is.
>>59193687
It's shit. I had one about a year after it came out and I noticed a HUGE difference once I got off that thing. Also the old socket for AMD is getting phased out forever now so it's not really a good idea.

>>59193640
Youre paying for R&D

I have a problem on my SSD
I'm getting a "cyclic redundancy check" message.I already formatted the fucker , swapped out the SATA port but the thing wont budge.

It's working fine when I'm using a SATA to USB3 adapter but it kills the point of using an SSD.

>>59193640
https://youtu.be/8AQPIBfIqMk
TLDR: No.

>>59193677
damn, holy shit. no wonder g4560 is lauded so much

>>59193677
>most powerful amd cpu atm
This will officially be a lie soon.

>>59193747
See
>>59193737

rate/critique muh build please

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/scattass/saved/#view=76M6hM

>>59177604
Working on this wish list. This will be my first build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lk98m8

>>59193140
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RqmxNN

you can cheap out on the case and a few other parts to squeeze more cash or performance out, as for keyboards, mice and shit, I don't know just how good they are, but they seem alright, with decent reviews

>>59193140
>preifierals
profiteroles. best with coffee ice cream.

>>59193614
I just know more than this board.

>>59193640
Serious question?
They cost a bit more to produce. It's related to density, layers, and die area.
But intel, for example, makes somewhere around 7-13 processors which are binned down into the many dozens of SKUs.
The..
i7: 7700k, 7700, 7700T
i5: 7600k, 7600, 7600T, 7500, 7500T, 7400, 7400T
i3: 7350k, 7230, 7300, 7300T, 7100, 7100T, 7101E, and 7101TE
are all the exact same processor IIRC.
The only difference is the GPU clock is turned down a bit, clocks are turn down, 2 cores are disabled on the i3s. And for the i5s, HT is arbitrarily disabled just so Intel can charge more money for its inclusion.

The i7-7700k costs well under $100 to manufacture/box/ship, but it is the best binned of them. Its MSRP is $330.

The Ryzen surely costs well under $100 to manufacture/box/ship as well.

>>59193677
AMD builds are okay if you need an ultra-budget APU PC. An A10-7870k is going to be better than a G4560 and a RX460, for example.
Also if you go with a Bristol Ridge build, you can have an AM4 motherboard ready to upgrade to Ryzen which saves money in the long run.

>>59193767
Yeah the G4560 is pretty much as good as a i5-7400 or i5-7500 90% of the time. It's the same number of threads, just less cores.

At this point I would only recommend a G4560, i7-7700k, A10-7870k, A12-9800, Ryzen 7, or to wait for Ryzen3/5. Every other option is trash, and while the 7700k is overpriced but if money doesn't matter it's still okay.

>>59194114
Blackwidow is shit, don't need an aftermarket cooler, and he should be getting an ATX mobo but besides that it looks good.

I bought a reference EVGA 980 Ti in summer 2015. Can I do that trade up shit to get a reference 1080 Ti from them now?

>>59194209
>I just know more than this board
Now you are just being arrogant.

>>59194227
Okay. So I'm arrogant. Being arrogant doesn't make me incorrect, here.

>>59194252
Maybe not, but it does make you an asshole. Also, you still haven't presented any proof to support your point.

>>59194209
>An A10-7870k is going to be better than a G4560 and a RX460
Are you being serious?

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tfw i5 6500 and crossfire 470's perform worse than last build's i3 6100 and single rx 470

probably will work out the bugs eventually just built it a day ago.

That's it, /g/. I'm going with Ryzen 5 (1500 or 1400X) with a XFX GTR RX 480. How badly am I going to be fucked when R5 lands?

>>59194305
I swear to god, what's wrong with you? I didn't say better. They're different options. Where do you get that I said they're equal?
Granted, for $175 you can currently get a G4560+RX470 which is pretty nice given how GPU prices are dropping much harder than APUs.
But the A10-7870k is only $120. And you can get a mobo for about $10 less. And the A10-7870k is a superior CPU to that G4560. Even if it's bulldozer, it's still 4 real cores and about 10% better in most cases. I'd much further recommend trying to get ahold of an A12-9800 though. It works on AM4 motherboards, and is about 20-25% better both CPU and GPU wise.

It depends on your needs. If you want just a temporary PC that can play 99% of games at 1080p low/medium while waiting for something else, and want to use your budget to get a good PSU, SSD, etc for now, it makes perfect sense.

>>59194271
Yes I did, you just didn't look and read. I'm not repeating myself.

>>59194440
What you said isn't a fucking argument you damn sperg

>>59193140
ebay for:
asrock h110m
i3 6100
intel box cooler
CT4G4DFS8213 (fast and cheap RAM)
antec earthwatts psu

Craigslist for GPU's
RX 470 - lowball for 120-160
R9 290 - same range perhaps even lower

Get periphs off of ebay as well, I reccomend the following
Mouse - logitech g100s
Keyboard - logitech k120
Mouse pad - Evga for hardmat, kingston for soft (inb4 meme pads)
Monitor you can go with getting used vsonics, aoc, LG or sammys

Lastly, never underestimate the role a good chair and a good desk play. Be very mindful of the relation between the two as well.

happy hunting

>>59194440
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-A10-7870K-APU/3892vsm29728
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-460-vs-AMD-Radeon-R7-Graphics/3641vsm8791

The G4560 kicks the shit out of the A10, and same with the RX460. You can get the Pentium and RX for $40 more, which is nothing compared to the increased performance you get.

>>59194493
userbenchmark.com is the worst dogshit. I thought everyone knew that, but apparently this board doesn't.
And again, I said it's an option, not that the A10-7870k is better. They'll both play roughly any game at medium-low settings.
I would typically recommend the G4560 as I have repeatedly in this thread, yes.

>>59194517
Yeah, 7000 compared benchmarks with a 200% difference in performance counts for nothing, sure mate.

>>59193483
>fucking chill
thats the thing, /g/ has no chill, if you are wrong /g/ will call you out in a violent manner guaranteed

>>59194517
how would a g4560 square off against a 6100 in terms of gaming performance? Would they be near identical?

>>59194674
>Would they be near identical?
Yeah, only like 5% difference between them.

>>59177604
My first build spent way too much ~1300

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>>59194811
>wow..

>>59194674
>how would a g4560 square off against a 6100 in terms of gaming performance? Would they be near identical?
You'll get less than a 5% less FPS difference in virtually every game.

Intel's lineup is a joke. It's full of terrible shit just to make you waste money and to make things like the 7700k seem like a decent value when it's not.
The i3-6100 is just there to drive sales of the G4560 and to get rid of junked 7700k silicon.

>>59194822
Either get a G4560, 7700k, or a used 4770k. 6600k is waste of money.
Replace the $260 1060 with a $150-$185 RX480. It's 2% better performance on average for less money.
Corsair low end power supplies are shit now days. They change the supplier. A Seasonic M12II 620W is only $48 and will be more reliable.
Drop the cooler for a Noctua or Be Quiet high end air unless you're a sperg just doing AIO for the memes or you're positive you'll have memory clearance issues.
Mem looks good. MB is fine if you're sticking with LGA1151.

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The missing part no. 8 is an i5-6500, I don't know why it's not showing. I apologize for indonesian mudcoin currency, it translates to roughly $1400.

I picked a watercooling for less noise and i'm not sure if it's an error in their pricing but it's like 40$ for an AIO 240mm radiator so why not.

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How good is the 760t for a first time rigid tubing build?

Where should I mount the pump/reservoir?

Do I really need a 360+240 rad for 1GPU and CPU?

Second build, any advice would be welcomed
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2R98m8

>>59196924
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2R98m8
Preorders for the 1080Ti start tomorrow for only a few dollars more.

And why not get a motherboard with build in wifi instead of getting an adaptor? Would probably cost less.
And don't forget you'll need to update that board's BIOS to use a Kabylake CPU like that.

Other than that, looks good. You could also save $75 getting Windows10 key off Kinguin or something, too.