/pcbg/ -- PC Building General

In dawn light of Ryzen, thinking if I should replace my PSU.
I have Corsair cx750(old one from 2013) now. Seems to be working great with 390 and 2600, should I replace it for something more substantial like Seasonic?
With XFR I worry it may give up on me, if it is as aggressive as AMD says.

>>59044624
You're fine. Ryzen won't draw more power than the i7 2600

>>59044624
meh. new hardware is more efficient so you wont ever get near your max Watt so even tho its a CX model you'll be fine.

>>59044644
Forgot to mention I did not OC 2600, it's been in stock for 5 years.

>>59044385
The 5570 is a 7+ year old low profile card that was a budget card even when it was releasd. Saying it will "play" modern games at medium settings just because it has 2 GB of VRAM is stretching the definition of the word "play".

>>59044677
you can play at 17 fps just fine
ah those glorious Morrowind days on celeron 333mhz and tnt2.

whats the AMD equivalent of a 1070?

>>59044725
Vega

>>59044725
Rx 480

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>>59044725
Sh-shut up
Wait for Vega

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>>59044736
u wot m8

>>59044725
fury x right now
it's even cheaper these days

>>59044732
thought so

>>59044736
lol

>>59044737
but i cant.
fuck it i'll just get a 1070

>>59044747
The RX480 is obviously nowhere near 1070 performance and you shouldn't have even replied, but just note that is an outdated graph before the AMD driver updates, which bumped the 480 up a handful of frames

>>59044582
I want to buy an RX 480 but I'm not sure if a i5 3570 will be enough to handle it. Also, what aftermarket card should be best to buy in EU?

>>59044790
it is.
depends on country.

>>59044790
Yes it will handle it, without a doubt, 100 times yes, unarguably.
Whether or not your 3750 will make it to 60fps in every game is a different story

Whats the AMD equivalent of a G4560? Because that CPU is so damn good for the price.

>>59044765
That graph was also compiled without testing Sniper Elite 4 or Ghost Recon: Wildlands, which were clear NVIDIA wins and would put the 1060 on top of the 480, if only slightly

>>59044846
ryzen

>>59044765
no you

>>59044799
>>59044802
Thanks for those fast replies. When it comes to country I live in Spain. Prices are really high there except for the Sapphire brand.

>>59044879
sapphire is ok

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>>59044855
I mean there's a lot of things to criticize about a graph showing the average fps of a video card on 19 of their favorite games

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Are there any cases other than pic related with top mounted handles? I've been using a cm storm scout v.1 for years and it's not compatible fitting my RX480. I'm thinking of upgrading to v.2 of the case, but does anybody know of any other ones?

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>>59045156

CoolerMaster Mastercase 5

>>59045156
>top mounted handle
why?

also, i've seen some smaller cases, also corsair something that looks like an ammo box or whatever, painted military green

Is there any noticeable performance boost in real world applications when you run two SSDs in RAID 0?

And likewise, is there any noticeable benefit to NVMe drives?

You guys think this is a good deal?

I have been thinking on upgrading for a while now, but I've never owned anything PNY so I'm not sure.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JOF81BG?&ascsubtag=site:thus|tid:14876599554471

>>59045156
corsair vengeance c70

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T9Y2Z8
Parts list so far. Thinking this could be what i buy.

Only thing I am not sure of is monitor. 60Hz or 144Hz? 1440 or 1080? Just not sure. Not trying to spend $300 on a monitor.

Any suggestions on the build?
Any monitor suggestions?

Budget of ~$600 howd i do?
pcpartpicker list/dwYzGf

>>59045430
Needs a mechanical hard drive

I'm aware that pre-built pcs sometimes lock the copy of Windows to the mobo, but there won't be any issue in moving the whole thing into a new case right?

I have an old pre-built HP that's stuffed into a nasty little HP tincan, I'd like to buy a cheap case or a HTPC case to move it into. It's a full ATX tho.

>>59045504
Sorry, fogot to add it. I have a WD black 1tb already.

>>59044624
Eh a CX750 is okay.

Unless you really want to go for an expensive titanium or fanless Seasonic, I'd say wait.

I'm waiting for good SFX fanless PSUs myself. There's very few good SFX PSUs at the moment.

Since your CX750 was made in 2013 before Corsair shit the bed on their lower end PSU quality, it should provide stable enough overclocking power fine.

>>59044747
With the AMD driver updates and throwing out edge case games where Nvidia paid off devs to intentionally shit up AMD performance, the RX480 is more like 85-90% as good on average. Just sample DX12 and Vulkan, and it's even better.

>>59045595
I wouldn't go that far...

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Is this (pic) capable of driving RX 460 or GTX 1050 + i5 2500 3.3Ghz (Sandy Bridge)?
My motherboard is ASRock H67DE3/SI (no info about it on asrock site, only about H67DE3).

>>59045606
Yeah I'm off by like 15%. It's hard to tell since there haven't been many new benchmarks of the RX480 since the driver updates.

But even going by just DX12 and Vulkan games, it's still a bit more than 15% behind the 1070. That's still firmly midrange if it's 70-85% the performance of that $400 card.

>>59045234
unless you do very heavy video editing, no

Thinking about upgrading my phenom II X4 945 any recomandations? Prefferably with mobo

>>59045697

So are m.2 drives largely a meme then?

>>59045729
Just a 1100 or 1300 if you don't want to spend much and just want something that's 2-3 times faster.

But why not get a 1500 or 1600X while you're at it?

>>59045807
Yea was planning on getting a 1600x with that funky XFR clocking. I just want to see how they perform in benchmarks and games.

>>59045739
M.2 drives are great because you don't need cables going to them.
Other than that, no, there's really not much advantage over SATA 2.5"

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Anything wrong with this?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0160WQGBI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B0160WQGBI&linkCode=as2&tag=thedaionl-21

Also wtf is a "vapor chamber"?

>>59045739
form factor is great, that's about all benefits for home use

What's causing the price of RAM to creep up lately?

>>59046299

Smartphones switched to DDR4.

>>59045520
Windows 10 is usually hardlocked to your microsoft live account. Case has nothing to do with mobo or hard drive.

>>59046390
It's win7, old pre-built from 2009, sorry should have specified.

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>X300 mITX
>dual M.2 NVMe slots on the back

Please, AMD needs to have this shit at launch. Shit would be cache.

>>59046727
I am hoping for this as well.

>>59046264
>>59046103
Should I care about M.2 drives throttling if they're mounted on the back of the motherboard against the motherboard tray?

Whats the best mini itx case that still fits full height coolers and has a tempered glass side?

>>59046144
A vapor chamber transfers heat similarly to a heatpipe but it can be a square shape, making it ideal for the bottom plate of a cooler because more surface area will be touching your cpu.

It's mostly a marketing gimmick though, traditional heatpipe coolers will perform 98% as well. Fin density and overall cooler volume make a much bigger difference to the performance

>>59047085
They work if you're using refrigerant through a radiator.

>>59047057
Try it and see. If they throttle, just add some thermal tape to contact with the motherboard tray or get heatsinks.

>>59047418
true, but that guy is buying a tower cooler with a vapor chamber integrated.
In that case it's just a gimmick and won't help performance, he's better off getting a Noctua NH-D15

>>59046103
>Other than that, no, there's really not much advantage over SATA 2.5"
Other than 250% the read/writes speeds in high end ones, yeah, no advantage.

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>>59044582

What hardware would you guys recommend for a Lakka ITX build?

I want to run PS1 games with all enhancements on and the GPU internal resolution at x8 with 60fps

Right now its struggling in most PS1 games with an old AMD 64 3200+, 9600GT and 2.5GB RAM.

I'm looking at getting a Pentium G4560 and 4GB RAM thrown into a H110 ITX board/ case.

Do you think the G4560 with its HD610 will cut it for what I'll be asking of it or should I change it out for a i3 7100?

There's also the option of getting a Z170 board and a i3 7350K to OC, but the price/performance difference isn't really worth it in my opinion.

>>59047808
The intel HD610 graphics is actually slightly worse than your old 9600GT
736 vs 743 on passmark
>http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Intel+HD+610
>http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+9600+GT


An i3 7100 and it's HD630 graphics achieves 1205 on passmark, so that would probably be a better option
>http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Intel+HD+630

>>59047033
enclosed in plastic 2.5 ssds do not go higher than 30C, this wont either
careful though, cheap ones die fast.

>>59045660
Yes and No.
Theoretically yes.
Practically no.

>>59047033
>>59048036
m.2 SSDs can and do get very hot, they can throttle by as much as 75% in worst case scenario tests.

In this test an m.2 SSD on the underside of the motherboard throttled by 50% after less than 60 seconds of a storage benchmark
in another test the SSD throttled by 70% while the whole system was under load (such as while gaming)
>https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Samsung-950-Pro-M-2-Throttling-Analysis-776/

their tests also showed that m.2 ssds in an upright position (surrounded by air) showed the least throttling.
To get better performance you should try and sink heat into the motherboard tray with thermal pads.

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Are there any cases with pic related layout and a full tempered glass side?
nothing I've seen has satisfied me, the Corsair 460x got close but the basement is open and that immediately turned me off.

>fully hidden basement
>no hdds next to mobo so case isn't as deep
>IO on the front side of the case, not the top

I've been having some trouble regarding booting recently because of slight hardware changes.

how drastically does 'static electricity' actually affect your motherboard, or CMOS in particular?

>>59048223
I'd like to see a full ATX motherboard that puts the PSU vertically over the RAM. That'd be a lot more compact.
SSDs can just go where-ever.

I want to have an AIO for Ryzen build because my RAM is tall as fuck until i saw this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSOcUnn1mtQ

What do /g/ thinks? IMO, i should replace the stock fans with Noctua fans maybe?

>>59049005
Remove heatsinks from your RAM and put on lower profile ones.

Yes, AIOs mostly suck ass.
Noctua and Be Quiet high end air coolers perform better than over 90% of AIOs and produce 1/4th the noise of the few that do cool better.

I get a blackscreen after the windows logo whenever I install gpu drivers. Can boot fine without drivers. Is this a sign that my card is broke?

It's a hd7870, and worked fine, don't need anything better really, what should I look for as a replacement? is 460 enough or should I go for 470 or 480?
I use two 1920x1080 monitors to mostly stream and watch movies and occasionally play and am looking for something that is quick, quiet and cold.

>>59048830
Yeah, something like a Silverstone sg13 but full atx would be brilliant, I'd buy it in a heartbeat

>>59049241
Try rolling back your gpu drivers first

>>59049281
already clean installed OS, and tested with an older driver from january.
I was vacuuming around the computer a couple weeks ago so I suspect it's that. I didn't open the case, but was in the vicinity of the ports with the cleaner... Then a week later the computer froze while playing a game and wouldn't start up.

>>59049274
Yeah. Sadly they don't think there is a market for slim, compact ATX cases. I don't know why not.

The board being so big is just more room for stuff overlapping. So you could feasibly have like a 12.5"x10"x4.5" case. But instead the smallest full ATX case I think is the Cooler Master Elite 360 which is like 15"x13"5.2" or something.

>>59049055
the ram warranty will be void right?

Hey guys, i want to build a capable HTPC hot my projector+home cinemma

Is there any info of when will Ryzen APU's will start to roll out? And if their iGPU will be better than the ones on the market now? (If it's worth the wait I mean)

>>59049579
I doubt APUs will come before Q4 but they'll be better than what we currently have for sure.

So if my mobo supports up to 2400mhz will overcloacking the ram be possible?

Any opinions on whether these new iCX cards are worth it? How much benefit would there be for overclocking vs. standard?

>>59049827
ICX is an overreaction to the ACX3.0 having a minor cooling flaw. I'd only go with EVGA because of their warranty and customer support here in the US (and Canada). Outside of the US, there really is no point in going with EVGA.

>>59049461
Yeah removing/replacing heatsinks usually voids the warranty.

But whatever. First thing I did when I got my $500+ 7970 was replace the cooler.
Well, not first thing. I benchmarked and stress tested it first. Being a pussy about warranty isn't fun. RMA's take forever, anyway.

Will there be Ryzens in $100-$250 range? Improvements would be really noticeable compared to an AM3 processor right?

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>RX470 MSI Gaming X - 198 bucks
>RX480 MSI Gaming X - 199 bucks

what can I expect if I build my pc in late 2017? What trends will change the products coming out this year that will be worth getting?

>>59050616
>Improvements would be really noticeable compared to an AM3 processor right?

lmao?

>hey guys will I notice 65% better performance per clock and 1/3rd the power usage and heat usage
idk genius doesn't slamming your dick in the door hurt? get back to me and let me know

>>59050904
Raven Ridge APU if you want ultra budget or if it ends up being godly and dual graphics comes back.

>>59050904
Ryzen and the rise of six+ cores as a mainstream CPU.
Intel stumbling and failing to stem the inevitable losses in sales as AMD claws its way back this year until Cannon Lake comes out.
The first i5 for an HEDT socket with the i5-7640K, as well as its sister Kaby Lake-X i7-7750K included as part of the Skylake-X roll-out.
X299 suffering from lower sales due to its higher price-tag over AM4, but still maintaining its price due to exclusivity and production costs.
Cannon Lake debuting the first six-core i7 for a mainstream socket, HT i5s, quad-core i3s, but still on the 14nm node.
AMD's falling flat on its face with Zen-based APUs being limited to just 4 cores and 75% of an RX 460 on its die while Cannon Lake has 50% more cores and a similarly powerful iGPU

I have an i5 2500k. is it time to upgrade with the new AMD processors coming out?

>>59049603
Hopefully at christmas.
I wonder if the iGPU wil be enough for some decent emulation

>>59051151
Hey smart guy, does that mean 65% better performance for the $100 ryzen against the $500 am3?

Asking for a friend who bought a nice cpu in 2010 and is poor now.

I talked to a retailer of computer parts today about getting a new graphics card and he told me to double check that i don't have a "manufacturers" block in BIOS on my shitty as computer because if i do, the new graphics card might not be compatible. Does anyone know how to check this?

>>59051198
if you want good graphics, yes.

>>59051548
no such thing exists for graphics cards. but you need to make sure your power supply can handle the new GPU and that your case can fit it.

I'm looking to buy my first desktop computer, (been on an Acer Aspire laptop for the past 3+ years). The main purpose of the computer would be gaming, and I believe I found one that will work, although I don't entirely know what I'm looking for. 8gb Ram, graphics card is AMD Radeon RX 460, processor is AMD FX 4300.My primary worry is whether or not this will be able to run more recent games well, like Overwatch.

>>59052148
>buying 4 year old AMD FX 1-2 weeks before their brand new processors are coming out
no, you wont be able to run recent games well. that fx 4300 was low-mid-end when it was released several years ago.

>>59052177
Uhh I see nothing about them saying they bought that new. >>59052148 says it's 3 years old.

Anyway, keep your RX460 for now. It's decent enough at least for 30-60fps in current games.

You'll need to get DDR4 memory. 8GB is alright. But you'll need to wait for benchmarks to see how much memory speed and CAS latency really matters on Ryzen.

You'll probably be fine with the cheapest Ryzen CPU, and can just buy whichever you want.

Motherboards... yeah also look at reviews and shit. Some reviewers are going to do "motherboard round-up" comparison type things.

Overwatch is a game that is low end graphics and runs stupidly well. With a good enough CPU I think you should hit over 60fps with it on the cheapest Ryzen CPU ($129, the Ryzen 3 1100)

So yeah. You just need those 3 parts, that's it. Unless you have a shitty PSU, then you should upgrade it. But Ryzen will use less power so you don't need a bigger one.

>>59052379
>Uhh I see nothing about them saying they bought that new
irrelevant

480 4gb vs 8gb for 1080p?

I don't plan on going 144hz or anything like that anytime soon. Should I spend the extra $50 or so for the 8 gb, or is it just a meme and not worth it.

>>59052711
depends on the games you play/want to play but 4GB is generally good enough

Sup /g/. Need a new PC ASAP. My work is taking too much time, way too much.
I mainly use it for the Adobe package, especially Lightroom. Lightroom is way too slow, it takes 2-5 seconds to load the next picture. I sometimes play Street Fighter V and maybe Insurgency.

Coming from an AMD X6 1055T, 16 gigs of RAM and a GTX 660.

Kinda on a budget, cheap would be nice. I just want to see a significant increase in power. Was thinking of Intel's i5/i7.

Thanks in advance.

>>59052728
The only games I'm playing right now are overwatch, hitman, and bf1.

>>59052764
4 core 8 thread Ryzen.

i've needed to rma my gpu recently and it will take ~1/2 months before i probably get it back since it will be sent abroad to germany to the evga european headquarters. it will probably take a couple weeks at least before my package reaches there and they start troubleshooting.

anyway i am stuck with intel hd graphics and i can't even play my mmo's without setting everything to low and playing at 720p which is horrible. i have an old x1950 pro from an ancient family prebuilt (~2007) that i can use but i'm assuming the intel hd graphics will be better than that 2007 shit.

what's the best cheap gpu i can buy which will allow me to play fairly non-demaning mmo's and older games like skyrim/kotor 2 at 1080p 60 fps and has support for multiple displays?

>>59052884
budget?
used or new? used is your best bet

>>59052938
i'm super poor so it would be around £80/100 (uk)

I'm waiting for Vega so I can make my all-AMD build.
How big do you think the card(s) are going to be?

>>59052884
It really won't take that long m8. Packages typically get from UK to Germany in 2-3 days. When I RMA'd a CPU to intel in the Netherlands I had my replacement back within a week.

>>59052977
i dont know what the used market looks like in the UK but 7970 is s till good, 280X, 380, 770ti, 960ti should also be ok.

>>59052990
doubt they will be bigger than RX480.

>>59053009
good point. i think most companies use priority mail for RMAs.

>>59053073
I hope it's smaller.
My entire build depends on Vega being 8 inches or shorter.

>>59053181
highly likely there will be smaller versions since Vega is supposedly more efficient

>>59052990
>How big do you think the card(s) are going to be?
Fairly small. HBM and all.

The RX580 or whatever could actually be Nano sized if we're lucky.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WpPDf8

I am not sure of the motherboard and monitor. I definitely want 144 hz with gsync. I can spend around 2400 dollarydoos.

Focus is mainly FPS gaming with little AAA on the side.

>>59053430
if you're not sure what features you need on the mobo you dont need one that expensive
make sure mobo has NVMe and that the m.2 SSD is "M" (NVMe)

>intel i7 one week before ryzen
>gsync
good goyim, pay that fanboi tax

>>59052711
If you plan to upgrade in a year, 4GB
If not, 8GB to give some breathing room. 8GB is only around $25-35 more.

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>Pentium G630
>some basic s1155 board
>one SSD, no HDD

Will an entry level graphics card like GT 710 improve anything here if I just need web browsan?

>>59053541
Oh noes someone wemt with the fastest single threaded performance meme instead of the moar cornz meme.


Quick! Rally the bully brigade!

>>59053774
no.

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>>59053786
1 shekel has been transferred to your account

>>59053889
What about swapping the processor for something like an i3 2120?

>>59050881
That suits about the difference these cards have
I have no idea why a 470 exists

>>59053964
no, the 710 is utter shit it wont make any difference over the integrated graphics, other than give you an extra output if you want more monitors.

And a slightly faster CPU makes no difference for web browsing.

>>59052814
Costs?
I would need a new motherboard and RAM also, probably a new cooler. I don't want to spend too much right now, maybe 400-500 euros. I can sell my RAM for 70 I think and maybe I can sell the other stuff too.

The X6 isn't too bad, it's still a good CPU, even though it's 7-8 years old or something. Might keep it for other purposes.

>>59054042
But what DOES make a difference for web browsing? There are sites coded by retards that cause both FF and Chrome to lag for seconds hogging all the CPU on that.

>>59054133
RAM and internet speed.

>>59054133
also if you have that kind of problem just get uMatrix

>>59054133
Have you considered a different operating system? If all you do is browse the net and shitpost, there's no real reason to put up with all the bloat windows comes with.

>>59054312
If FF hogs the CPU while not hogging RAM or network I don't see how this can help

>>59054380
I thought about switching to something like xubuntu, but my work software is Windows-only, so I need to check if I can get it all working in Wine.

>>59054550
u either got a shit CPU or you got a virus, sempai

>>59054550
Try uMatrix for Firefox and disable Flash. If that doesnt help, install a linux distro.

Even a 10 year old CPU can browse the web just fine.

>>59053964
Might help. How much RAM do you have?

>>59053430
Get a 1440p monitor instead

>>59052884
GTX 1050

>>59054118
You can afford Ryzen. 200 for CPU + 70 for mobo + 70 for RAM. Use stock cooler

>>59052711
4GB

>>59052148
Don't buy an FX 4300 + 460

>>59051165
>mainstream
Not mainstream, consumer. Big difference.

>>59051198
Not yet, only when you can't get the perf you need

>>59051415
>>59050616
>Ryzens in $100-$250 range
The good Ryzen will be $200

>Improvements would be really noticeable compared to an AM3 processor right?
Yes, depending on application

>>59050904
Prices on Ryzen, Vega, and possibly Volta will have stabilized

>>59049639
Depends on chipset, if Z series yes, anything else no

>>59049368
Not vacuum cleaning issue, retard

>>59049368
Try a different PCIe slot if you have one
RX470

>>59055667
>How much RAM do you have?

6 gigs (and no free slots left)

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Setting up my 3750k with liquid cooling, never overclocked before. I have a Z77 chooser Asus board. Should I just go in the BIOS and up the frequency? How does it correlate with voltage? Is there a ratio I need to maintain or what?

>>59055789
Not the stupid questions thread. Use a search engine

What am I missing here? My budget is around 700$, but am complete retard when it comes to building PC. do i need network adapter shit or does the motherboard have the plug in cubic looking thingy
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r97Fpb

>>59055871
Cancer post, consider suicide he's just asking an honest question you fucking faggot

>>59055905
play with multiple, freq and voltage. google if you want specifics or just get a fucking kaby lake CPU if you want a one-button-magic OC

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>>59055873
>AMD FX
>1-2 weeks before Ryzen

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tn9Y8K

please rate/change my build
also disregard all the stupid compatibility warnings. the qbx is compatible with 240mm rads. also i'm buying an sfx to atx adapter bracket.

>>59055873
Don't buy that. There's a reason no builds in the OP are on the AM3+ platform

>>59055905
Fuck off, not a build related question either.

>>59056038
also i think i have too few fans so i'm probably going to add one or two more

Are saphire rx 470,480 really loud and run hot?
I mean my r9 270x runs cool nd quiet what gives?

My current build, so how did i do?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CkDVZ8
Any suggestions?
Should i upgrade/replace anything?
Currently saving up for an actual monitor to replace my TV i am using.

is it true some old prebuilts dont accept new GPUs because of some BIOS bullshit lock?

>>59056038
fullretard/10 but if you wanna go overboard go ahead.

>>59056105
4x0 is cooler and quieter than 2x0 and 3x0 cards but most comes down to the 3rd party coolers brands put on.


>>59056187
>how DID i do

>slow ram
>3.5GB meme
>buying windows
>32" Apex 720p 60Hz LCD HDTV
meh/10

>>59056201
never heard of it.

>>59056058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmkmluAYAQ

>>59056187
It's a disgusting build.

>>59056233
jesus christ so one front one back is the optimal setup? Why do so many case have tons of room for 3 fans on the front and shit like that?

>>59056271
watercooling radiators and lets you turn down the RPM for silence and keep the same airflow, and also mounting options.

So
Sapphire Radeon RX 480 8GB Nitro D5 OC
XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB
Gigabyte Radeon RX 480 8GB GAMEING
Which one?

>>59056483
most seem to say the XFX GTR is the best
avoid gigabyte

>>59056483
XFX GTR easy, that's not even a question. Gigabyte has literally chinkshit PCB, avoid that.
Sapphire is overall ok but can get a little hot and loud.

>>59056497
>>59056519
XFX is the the gtr but the normal one any difference?

>>59056535
What normal, you mean reference design? Avoid those cards, they have shit cooling. If you mean the XFX RS it's good, lower clock speed but otherwise the same.

>>59056566
ones is name just
XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB
The other
XFX Radeon RX480 8GB GTR True OC Triple X Edition
And costs more

>>59056591
Do the cards look the same?
If no the first is reference and to avoid.
If yes the first is the RS and the second is the GTR. Both are fine, GTR is most likely better binned if you care about higher OC.

>>59053073
>>59053196
With that in mind, should I go big (12L-18L case) or go small (4.5L-5L) case?

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>>59056732
First decide if you want ATX, mATX or ITX to narrow it down.

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>>59056657
here cheap one is left

>>59056772
RS vs GTR. Imho get the GTR but RS is also fine.

>>59056808
Dif is only overcloking?

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>>59056766
there's also ITX towers in various sizes

>>59056843
Nigger read the manuals yourself.

TLDR: RS overall slightly worse, GTR holy grail of 480, buy it and don't bother with anything else.

It is most likely ITX, unless the the mobo I want doesn't have an m.2 wifi/bluetooth card installed (this is more so of guidelines to a future build).
To better rephrase the question:
Should I hope that there will be a "mini" version of the Vega card(s) and go with the very small case (NFC S4 Mini), go with a much bigger case that guarantees compatibility (NCASE M1), or say fuck small and make the build a M-ATX build (Cerberus would be the ideal case, but I have no idea if that will come out within this year)?

tldr: NFC S4 Mini, NCASE M1, or a M-ATX case for a future small Ryzen/Vega Build

>>59056905
meant for
>>59056766

>>59056846
The best ITX case right now. Even if you can deal with the plastic window.

>>59056905
>Should I hope that there will be a "mini" version of the Vega card
yes

but have you checked other case options like Lian Li? They have a lot of different ITX cases with various designs.

also note that the NFC S4 Mini needs special PSU it seems

>>59056905
>Vega card
AMD cards are rarely made for ITX build. The last one I can think is the nano.

>>59056979
i bet there will be since Vega should be a lot more efficient

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>People call mitx a meme
>It's actually the best thing ever
I dunno about you all but I appreciate being able to throw my gaming/dev rig into my backpack

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i have my setup basically like this (minus the top fans), except the HDDs are sticking out the left more and i have a fan underneath them pointing upwards, rather then one behind the HDDs.
i see most of the layouts have the fan to the left of the HDDs, but wouldn't it be better having a fan underneath between the GPU and HDDs pointing upwards towards the CPU cooler intake?

>>59057044
>i see most of the layouts have the fan to the left of the HDDs
i mean the right of them, facing left, you get what i mean

>>59057044
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmkmluAYAQ

and HDDs actually last longer if they're 30-45C

>>59049192

>>59057042
i dont think people call it a meme, I have one too and I made a paracord handle for it

What case is that?

>>59057137
most of the posts that are negative to ITX seems to be about heat and noise, which is highly dependent on the case design (like needing low profile cpu cooler because of slim case or PSU mounted above the CPU).

Question. Mainly for gaming and some rendering/encoding:

DDR4 3200 14-14-14-34
-OR-
DDR4 3600 15-15-15-35

>>59057289
price?

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>>59044582
>Building

>>59057289
Always the cheapest RAM, no exception.

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>>59057316
stop stealing my reaction images to shitpost against my interests you fucking nigger

>>59057317
except when you can get significantly faster ram for less than $10 more

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>>59057356

>>59057356
Looks like you're admitting to avatarfagging. That's against the rules.

>>59057309
>>59057317

I'm not too sensitive on cost. I just want to know if there will be actual performance difference between the two. One has slightly faster latency but the other offers more bandwidth.

I guess I'm more curious at these speeds/latencies, which of the two is actually better? Is 1ns less latency > 400MT/s or the other way around.

Thanks.

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>>59057376
reeeeeeee

>>59057384
>saying you created a jpeg is avatarfagging
looks like you admitted you're retarded. that's fucking hilarious.

>>59057391
minimal difference, you wont notice it unless your applications are extremely RAM intensive.

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>>59057416
>"""created"""
It's just a screenshot from a cartoon, not even traced or redrawn

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>>59057436
>muh semantics

>>59057416
>looks like you admitted you're retarded. that's fucking hilarious.
You said anon stole images (plural) and posted an image of the same shit character. I accuse you.

>>59057469
see >>59057468

i can change character if you want?

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>>59057316
>>59057356
>>59057376
>>59057384
>>59057416
>>59057436
>>59057468
>>59057469
>>59057522

>>59057391
That's not bandwidth that's frequency
Timing is a function of frequency, a timing of 15 at 3000 is actually lower latency than a timing of 10 at 1000
But frequency is much much more important than timings

>>59057137
Silverstone Sugo SG13
It's essentially just as small as an ncase, it's just fatter instead of taller. (and it also costs
If you grab a SFX power supply then you can easily huck a water cooled gaming rig in there if you get a fat radiator (no idea how good the cooling is for air, but I'm assuming that it's fairly good seeing as there's a dedicated GPU grille and a giant intake.

Would highly highly highly advise against the solid front one, it chokes the fuck out of your system.

>>59057202
My computer got pretty fucking toasty when I had the fan plugged into a 5v fan supply but once I realized that issue it's been having awesome temps ever since. It's a tiny bit louder than larger cases because it relies on the one fan but unless the system is being used to play games it's not noticeable even remotely.

>>59057682
yeah that was kinda the point i tried to make by saying that there's many designs with just as good airflow and cooling options and it's only really an issue in really cramped cases

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>>59057042
I really don't know how I'm supposed to feel when consumer storage inevitably moves to PCIe exclusively, but I'm enjoying my limited expansion so far.

>>59057800
>I really don't know how I'm supposed to feel when consumer storage inevitably moves to PCIe exclusively
they're not

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>>59057800
why you do dis?

>>59057833
>take off back fan
>temps rise by 5-10 degrees
>move CPU fan to front
>nope, the hard drive cables are in the way
It's not like they're making any weird noises being so close together.

>>59057800
>I really don't know how I'm supposed to feel when consumer storage inevitably moves to PCIe exclusively
Never going to happen. They're going to invent a new internal connector to replace SATA but PCI-E storage will NEVER be commonplace because it wouldn't work/fit in like 90% of all computers.

>>59057800
>all that air
why

>>59057855
cant you move the cables?

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>>59057888
No.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4hNjsJ

could i do better with a better?(my budget is $800-$850)

>>59057855
>Not replacing with right angle connectors
baka desu familia

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>>59057898
cant orient them like this? just put double sided tape on the PSU

>>59058029
Not really my cup of tea and this configuration works completely fine for me.

>>59058109
alright.

but i dont get why they didnt make a drive bay option that mounted horizontally above the PSU. im disappointed in Fractal

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I'm looking for a case that shows off your ssd like the NZXT Manta but without the ugly rounded corners

Does it matter what Sata ports go into where? I just decided to do some cable management + install a new SSD, rearranging the cables a bit and now the computer isn't even booting. No light, no fan spin, nothing. Can't figure out why

>>59057974
wait until after ryzen release before you buy anything.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vqYY8K

>>59058367
Or the PSU cables for that matter. I switched both around

>>59058404
ah fuck forgot to add 250GB SSD for around $80

>>59058367
you didnt plug in the power cables for the motherboard or gpu

>>59058416
I didn't touch those though. Literally just removed the PSU cables and SATA cables connecting my 3 SSDs and 1 HDD

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>>59057974
here's what I did
>replaced i3 with i5
>replaced hdd with sdd (add hdd later)
>saved 40 bucks on gpu, it will still perform the same (go with 4gb model to save another 35)
>had to shoot the psu in the foot, but the 500b will work perfectly fine, not like you are going to look inside.
.>swapped case for a slightly cheaper version of the same case that looks less like ass

I can only guess the biggest complaint people would have with the build would look something like this "LOL, going with le aaaaayyyymmmdd housefire meme card XXXDDDDD"

>>59058448
check the cables and make sure the psu is switched on in the back.

also were you grounded while you messed with it?

>>59058475
link me. it looks good

>>59058476
psu is switched on (won't say I haven't made that mistake before though lol)

I had the wrist band on but admittedly I was moving between two PCs, so I guess it's possible I didn't touch metal after taking the band off and coming back to it. I really hope this isn't the issue though

>>59058525
SATA ports doesnt matter, you can get into BIOS without any drive connected at all. Recheck all the cables and try reconnect them all.

Does any LED light up on the mobo (should be one contantly lit when it has power).

>>59058515
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vFczGf

here yee go boi

>>59058554
i wouldnt skimp on the PSU plus modular is super nice to work with

>>59058550
My mobo doesn't have any lights inside that I've ever seen, but there is a light coming from the ethernet port that's plugged in.

>>59058631
here in the land of the glorious pc master race, you have a choice of what you want to shoot in the foot, I'll lay out the options
>go with a 120gb ssd
>go with the 4gb model of the msi armor rx 480 (most likely the best option as gpu's are short term investment)
>say "fuck the case" and get one from a prebuilt home pc in the trash
>download the ram instead of buying physical
>learn to be satisfied with mobile or non-demanding games

oh the possibilities are endless

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>>59058793
$20 to upgrade from a nonmodular bronze to a modular gold shouldnt even be up for discussion

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9fHtHN

What would you guys change on my build? Would any other 1080 compliment the white and black aesthetic of the build better than the strix?

I plan on using this for gaymen at 1440p ultra wide resolutions.

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>>59058996
>$200+ mobo
>RGB RAM
>small SSD + HDD instead of just one bigger SSD
>750W
>spending $70 extra on GPU just for looks

I want to get a 1080p monitor, but I don't know if I should go with one with DVI-D or Displayport.
The latter is a bit more expensive. Is DP worth it? Or is there no difference between both interfaces?

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>>59058989
if the person building wants to throw in the extra money for full mod and 80+ gold, they can and they should, I'm just working with the budget given in mind.

>>59058996
GALAX has a super white card if you fancy, EVGA also makes a white version of their 1080's, either way, you can proudly say "there ain't gonna be niggers in my case"

>>59059099
go with dp, dvi is slowly fading away just as vga has or is.

>>59059140
I've seen the Galax cards, but not the white evga ones.

Have a link?

>>59058550
Update: it boots when the PSU cable going to my hard drive and disc drive are not connected. When the one with my SSD is plugged in, it works fine. What does this mean? And please don't tell me it means my hard drive is fucked

>Note: Win7 and 8.1 cannot be installed on a 200 series chipset

Is there a tard-friendly explanation for why this is?

>>59059182
ok, maybe I lied about the evga cards, I saw the first image and jumped to conclusions as lighting can be tricky, but I do know msi offers a silver version of their gaming x lineup which under the right lighting conditions, appears white.

https://www.google.com/search?q=evga+gtx+1080+white&rlz=1C1GIWA_enUS656US656&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjp8-a95KLSAhWJ0RoKHTBQC7EQ_AUIBygC&dpr=1#imgrc=_

>>59059307
So you can Upgrade™ to Windows 10™, goy

>>59059322
Besides the obvious, I meant. How did they manage to lock out presumably every previous iteration of windows? And does that have any impact in linux dual booting?

>>59059207
try the other power cable with only the HDD connected

>>59059094
>I can't afford nice things, so other people shouldn't be able to either

>>59059320
I can see how you'd think it was white.

I love the galax card, but hate that you can only get it from their site.

Have you heard anything about how long their shipping takes?

>>59059335
OK so that works, thank you for putting my mind at ease a bit. So is just the cable bad? It is from a different PC and didn't actually come with the PSU but I didn't think that mattered...

>>59059392
nothing I would know about, nor I'd bet anyone else here knowing either. if you do enough searching on the internet, you might find something to go off of.

My Core2Quad q8300+4GB DDR3+1050TI build is lagging behind processor-wise. I'd keep doing esoteric bullshit like look for a pinmodded 3.6ghz Xeon but the board only supports 4GB ram and that's quickly becoming a huge issue, so it's time for a full mobo upgrade. Gaymen/photo editing, low budget, Argentina.

Can I expect a G4560 to last me a few years/be a decent point to upgrade from if I pick a strong motherboard for it now, or should I just get an SSD to tide me over until Ryzen and the inevitable Intel response to it?

if my motherboard (aorus k5) has alc 1220, do i need a dac to use instead? or will an amp suffice with the alc 1220? i love music but i'm not doing any audio creation so... i'm unsure.

should i get a gtx 1060 or a rx 480?

im upgrading from a gtx 960

>>59048223
Enthoo Evolv Glass

>>59059729
480. more future proof by far, amd is better at improving drivers so it'll only get better while 1060 will stay how it is until EOL. also freesync.

>>59059753

thanks!

Why is Firefox two processes now instead of 1?
Also what's a good way to flush the high ram usage after a long time without restarting the browser?

>>59045660
That turd probably can't actually do 500w, so no.

what is the best possible pc i could build right now?
money is no question

>>59059879
a specced out mac pro

>>59059903
kek

>>59044582
When do ryzen mobos release? I don't know a lot about mobos and need a resource to research the new mobos. Trying to buy ryzen on release

>>59059729
rx480 as it pulls frames on roughly par with the 1060 6gb and pulling far ahead in vulcan and dx12 (not that those matter all that much), drivers will allow for the 480 to pull even further due to indian magic being more powerful than jewish magic.

>>59059879
http://www.logicalincrements.com/

this should give you an idea

>>59059923
from what I hear, Ryzen releases march 2nd, and I can't imagine mobos for it not releasing alongside with it if not before it.

>>59059361
>what would you change?
>tells you what he would change
>wow fucking poorfag don't tell me what to change

What percentage of annual pretax income is acceptable to dedicate to a new build?

>>59060101
>annual pretax income
No, nigger
annual POST-tax income
And realistically, you should not spend any portion of your taxable income on a computer build. Save about 10-20% of your monthly post-tax income and put it into a slush fund or investment account and let it grow. Play your cards right and someone with a shitty $30k income could potentially be able to buy a $1000+ PC every year within five years.

>>59060163
I save roughly half of my income. Quarter million so far.

>>59060239
Sorry, 1/3. It's late. I'm going to sleep. Goodbye.

>>59060101
depends on your priorities dude

I live in a relatively normal upper middle class neighborhood yet my neighbor down my street owns a Porsche and a Lambo

is an i5 2500k still good enough to game on, also would I experience a cpu bottleneck using a single 1060?

so whenever people post thier builds they dont seem to add a sound/networking card. why is that?

>>59060613
Onboard sound and networking is actually good now. People that care more about sound have an external DAC/Amp and unless you want wifi or 10GbE and your motherboard doesn't have that, there's no reason to get a network card.

>>59060613
Most motherboards have decent audio chips and NICs have been a part of the rear I/O for over a decade now

>>59060656
>>59060648
thanks. i guess ill need a network card for wfii

>>59058475
>>59058515
How do you guys not look for sales where you can get a 8GB RX480 for like $170?

Why pay $50 more for no reason?

>>59060239
>>59060248
Irrelevant number without your income.

If your income is only $25k post-tax, and you save $12.5k of that per year, and now it's 1/3rd of a million after 10 years + good investments, that's a lot.

If you make 100k per year and put 50k in for 6 years, that's so easy and not shit.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/94fgKZ
rate my first build
Owned a pre-built and scrapped the cooler and GPU.

Also is it easy to sell a cpu? I didn't want to upgrade but my PSU killed my mobo so I want to atleast do something to my i7 4770

good prebuilt gaming pc for $800?

NZXT s340 Elite.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/Some_Duck/saved/LgN48d

Australian, it's for gaming and light multimedia (blender)

What are some good routers/router brands under 100$?

Best time for buy new components?

Ugh.

My GPU performs at about 75% of my needs. The most demanding game I play is GTA V and I get a mostly stable 60fps with most settings on very high or max and no MSAA at 1080p.

However...

This thing is noisy as fuck. When I boot up my PC it sounds like a dirt bike getting kick started and under load there is a massive amount of coil whine. It also draws a ton of power and generates a lot of heat.

Based on performance alone there really is zero justification for upgrading. But based on every other factor an upgrade would be a godsend.

WTF do I do? Right now I'm hoping Vega 11 will be for a decent price and then MAYBE I could justify it but even then it's really excessive.

What is the best ATX AM4 board with USB 3.1 gen 2 for <$60?

>>59062979
Black Friday

>>59062979
Late summer / fall

>>59063240
Which card do you have? The fan you hear when the PC boots up is the CPU fan. You should open up your PC and refresh the thermal paste / clean the CPU radiator. Likely that will solve your GTAV problems too because that is a really CPU intensive game

>>59061162
Might want to wait for Ryzen

>>59060976
Wrong thread thread

>>59060945
Personally I'd keep the i7 and RAM you already have. Buy used mobo + new PSU etc

>>59060594
It is, but don't buy that now. No Sandy Bridge i5 or better will bottleneck a 1060

>>59064027
No one knows yet

>>59059729
Doesn't matter, 4GB 480 or 6GB 1060. Check benchmarks for the games you want to play

Oh man stupid question.

I've got an 8320 125w with a 125w chipset and the new AMDs plus my tax refund have me eyeing the 95ws. Would I need to get a new 95w board to not fuck over my system or would I just be generating more heat and need to get a larger cooler?

>>59064510

If you're talking about buying a new Ryzen CPU you will need to buy a new AM4 motherboard.

>>59064642
That answers that question but in general if I wanted something with a lower wattage would it be okay?

>>59064715

Lower wattage just means more power efficiency, which is a good thing.

>>59063240
Get an aftermarket cooler for it for like $40-$50.

It'll void the warranty but you can get one that'll allow it to run full load almost inaudibly quiet, most likely.

If that's too much money, just apply better thermal paste and make sure it's not clogged with dusts.

>>59064872

Should I try reseating the heatsink?

I've never done that with a GPU before.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QzQsPs
cpu was like 50€, build it in 2015
purpose: gaming streaming video eddeting
also there are 2 other old cheap ass 1680x1050 screens conected which i coulent find on pcpartpicker

ryzen/vega update in summer

>>59064959
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QzQsPs
what exactly are you asking?

>>59065078
do you think i could have gotten better performance/$ for what im doing with it? i kinde feel like coller/chasi where overkill
also thougts on upgrading to ryzen+vega/we noobvidia has at the time soon

>>59065174
updating is always for the better, but did you buy your current gear to be futureproof? if you did, don't even think about upgrading. Vega + Nvidia2017 is a long way away, and even then we don't know how they will be upgrading from modern GPU's

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Poorfag here who needs to edit amateur videos.

What processor should I choose? I was thinking about AMD FX-61xx/FX-81xx. Money is tight, so please don't shill me a Intel processor.

Heads-up.

Amazon is having a one-day coupon discount today using offer code: BIGTHANKS
It's $8.62 off any order, but the catch is it must be $50 or more so if you have a GPU/SSD/etc you've been holding off on getting today might be the day to pull the trigger depending on your needs.
http://fortune.com/2017/02/22/amazon-coupon-code/

>>59065269
RYZEEEEN

>>59065267
there is no such thing as beeing futureproof, only having more time between updates
the thing is i kinda want to upgrade to a 1440p 144hz screen (this doesnt mean every game has to run at 120+, just the online multyplayer stuff. im fine with 60+ fps with everything maxed for aaa games.) but upgrading the screens means gpu upgrade which then means cpu upgrade because most games are still way to single threadet

>>59065269

If you're really broke, get an ex-corporate i7 off ebay for 150 £/$. Then buy a big HD for storage and you're done.

>>59065269
any cpu can edit videos, it just takes crappy ones a realy long time
but keep an eye out for the cheaper upcomming ryzen 4c/8T

>>59065513
then wait for ryzen+vega or rx500 series

>>59065593
>any cpu

That's pretty fucking obivous, but I want to get the best for what I can pay. Which is about 100 dollars. Should I go with AMD? I'm not a gaymen.

>>59065560
dont live in america, mate. don't have those things on ebay over here.

guys I have a question
Is it possible to have a decent computer for gaming for under 650 euro or is it completely hope
less
I am a poorfag from a third world country so I can't really spend more
not really asking about what to choose just is it possible to have one that I can play all the recent games at mid settings and not have to upgrade for at least 5 years

my only gripe is that the only am4 board with 2 M.2 slots is 299 dollars and it's MSI

>>59066295
nvm just found one that's 179 dollars. Still MSI though

>>59066023
if you skimp out on the non core components like storage, chassi, psu (dont skimp out too much there) , run a stock cooler and pirate yourself some windaws i guess its possible to build something with a rx470/rx480 which will give you 60fps with everything maxed at 1080p

>>59066023
Yes, basically this
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/Jhyf7P
It will play games for a while, but when the PS4 Pro is the standard you'll be using low settings

>>59066397
>>59066400
so an Intel Core I5-6500 3.2GHz might do the trick than

I am looking at this for 600 euro
Intel Core I5-6500 3.2GHz up to 3.60GHz 6MB cache; 8GB 2133MHz DDR4; HDD 1000GB 7200rpm SATA; NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050 4GB GDDR5;

>>59066400
was thinking this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nf9Hbj

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/yMnJqk

Anything I'm fucking up?

It's gonna be a ryzen build, so I don't have a CPU/CPU cooler/Motherboard yet.

Really the hardest part of this so far is figuring out the fucking case fans. I'm thinking of an AIO liquid cooler for the CPU, then I'll have the two 120mm GP-14's that come with the case - 1 GP14 for the rear exhaust vent, and the other on the bottom as an intake? Then 2-3 140mm fans for the front intakes?

So I'd be buying 1x AIO, 3x 140mm fans in that case?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CfpvvV
r8 it

>>59067160
Crap, if you want an underclocked i5 wait for Ryzen
Also if you're getting a 1050Ti there's no reason to get anything stronger than a G4560
You don't need an aftermarket cooler
SSD is weak.

With the $125 you save with those changes, get an RX470 or GTX 1060 6GB and a 240GB SSD

>>59066634
Don't need paste

>>59066628
Cooler and i5 are wastes of money
If you're looking for a build on that tier get something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/#view=ZhnQ7P

>>59066613
The weakness of the build I posted isn't the CPU, it's the gfx card. The 1050 will be outdated long before a G4560

>>59065829
>>59065269
For $100 you're going to have to buy used. Look into older Xeons or that FX8XXX.

>>59068028
>>59068028
>>59068028

>>59067852
what brand of GTX 1060

>>59068082
I'm not the one to ask, but anything with a good warranty should be fine. Get a card with better than stock speed so that you get a binned chip