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Previously on: >>52931394

Intended for users of all levels, including absolute beginners.

There are four ways to try Linux, you can:

1) Install a Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
2) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full Linux experience".
3) Dual-boot Linux with Windows/Mac (recommended if you want to learn more about Linux)
4) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with Linux (not recommended)

Before asking, please search for answers to your questions in resources.

Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread.

Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe wine can make up for it.

Resources:
man <insert command here>
your friendly neighborhood search engine
https://wiki.archlinux.org/
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/
http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
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What is Linux (or GNU/Linux for Stallmanists)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux

Various helpful Linux pages from your friends at /g/
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Category:GNU/Linux

Check out this page for any updates on the OP
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/

Beginner tips/guides
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/
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>redhair shit
wut?
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Fuckin UEFI
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Now posting from my newly installed Ubuntu, thanks for the info.

I've started to learn some webdev and stuff, and read that linux was a great complement for learning. I know that you people shit on Ubuntu, but I wanted to make the transition from Windows to Linux as smoothly as possible.

When I'm more experienced with it, which distro should I pick based on webdev?
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>>52941189
Your OS shouldn't matter for your webdev-things anyway.
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>>52941189
anything that is not purely "based on" is fine.
debian, fedora, arch, funtoo/gentoo, slackware, openSUSE...
it doesn't matter for your webdev.
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Why is my volume turned to zero after I boot on my Debian jessie machine?
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>>52941189
Stick with Ubuntu.
Anyone who tells you your distro is not "leet enough" is an unemployed bitter Arch acolyte.
And probably a virgin.

Don't let memes dictate what you do with your computer.
If ubuntu works for you, keep it.
Just turn off the amazon spyware thingy
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>>52941302
Because you set it to 0?
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>>52941307
>Just turn off the amazon spyware thingy
Only virgins would do that
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Anyone saved the pasta about BASH?
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>>52941307
>Just turn off telemetry, Windows is fine
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>>52940905
How do I get Cinnamon on Ubuntu 15.10? For some reason Google says there's no longer a stable build for Cinnamon.
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>>52941352
specify please. i save a lot of stuff.
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>>52941396
sudo apt-get install cinnamon
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>>52941307
What are you even doing in this thread?
>leet
>unemployed
>virgin
>arch a meme
>just turn off the thingy
All that shows that all you know about technology is rooting in /g/ memes.
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>>52941412
Some anon posted a collection of links about learning BASH, but I'm silly, I'll simply check the archive.
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>>52941469
post a link with what you mean if you find it.
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>>52941526
Found it! >>52915065
The based GNU Bourne Again SHell:
https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/

The community driven BASH wiki:
http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/

Greg's (also known as GreyCat's) wiki:
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls

SED and AWK; your new best friends:
http://www.pement.org/sed/sed1line.txt
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt

Great online (and offline) linting tool:
http://www.shellcheck.net/
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>>52941430
Being friendly to a beginner linux user

>arch a meme
Prove me fucking wrong.
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>>52941599
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>>52940971
He probably talks about Maki
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>>52941674
arch users shouldn't post memes really
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>>52941425
Weird, first time I tried that the DE wasn't even selectable at the login screen. Now it is, and:
>Cinnamon has crashed and you are currently running in Fallback Mode
>Cinnamon has crashed and you are currently running in Fallback Mode
>Cinnamon has crashed and you are currently running in Fallback Mode


Well shit, guess I'm sticking to Unity.
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>>52941189
The next step from Ubuntu is plain debian and adding only the software and stuff you really need.
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>>52941049
Uefi is pretty rad, it's the implementation you're mad about.
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>>52941236
That's absolutely not true. Of all courses at my university most switch over because of the people with UNIX OSes having less problems and more convenience.
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>>52941745
>the broken xorg meme
You never used Arch.
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>>52941785
i think he means the choice of distro, and he's right about it.
>>52941791
i actually did, i didn't even find it particularly bad or unstable, i just said that arch users are in no position to start meme wars.
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>>52941745
noobuntu user stotted who can't install arch and preferes a "functional" DE instead of using the terminal
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>>52941785
Well, maybe because people using those OSes tend to know more about computers on average?

>>52941823
No, OS shouldn't matter for webdev. If the result isn't cross-platform you're doing it very wrong anyway.
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>>52941823
Enjoy your botnet.
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>>52941823
He said anyway so probably did.

Nevertheless Gentoo would be a good option because you can specify which components to compile and the compiled binaries will be more efficient.
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>>52941826
since you faggots always use the same defense i will use the same dank maymays over and over until you stop.
>>52941850
the packages in your package manager do matter if you want convenience.
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>>52940905
I went balls-deep in 2011 with Jewbuntu
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>>52941864
typical arch user that only knows about ubuntu and arch detected
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>>52941895
you need a text-editor and a browser?
Maybe some version control and a way to put your files on a server?
Which OS doesn't have that?
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>>52941895
Arch is more convenient that MemeOS.
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>>52941864
You know that you can do a minimal installation of Ubuntu? You know, the core packages like a lightweight Arch installation.
Arch is a good distro but a waste of time.
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>>52941936
>Implying Linux itself isn't a memeOS.

top. kek. REKD.
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Hey anons I tunnel x11vnc through ssh for remote access to my server. A lot of the time my connection isn't stable and thus the ssh connection breaks, kicking me out of vnc immediately. Is there a better setup that will stay connected even when the connection drops for a second or two?
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>>52941927
recent versions tend to me more practical but it still needs to be stable. this is why i think it matters.
>>52941936
>shilling for arch because of convenience
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>>52941748
install i3,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1I63wGcvU4&index=1&list=PL5ze0DjYv5DbCv9vNEzFmP6sU7ZmkGzcf
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>>52941965
>Linux
>memeOS
Linux/busybox and Linux/GNU are OS, Linux is a kernel
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>>52941983
>it takes a day and a half for my weekly updates I'm so l33t xddddddd
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>>52941998
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>>52941956
After touching GNU/Linux with Amazon, Canonical can go fuck itself. There are things that shouldn't be forgiven EVER in the linux community.
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>>52942008
>he saved the fake pic
toplel
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>>52941983
Oh, don't use an OS that's broken. Should have been obvious, but it seems I have to mention it to you.
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>>52942008
>using his own name with an x
as much as i like Linus, he's really self absorbed.
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>>52942049
The name wasn't Linus idea. Lurk moar.
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>>52941823
isnt "the arch way" something the arch community made up, rather than the devs?
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Has anyone tried elementaryOS? Is it a meme?
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>>52942071
I know, but if he had any courage and didn't like the idea he would have changed it, but he didn't.
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>>52942105
elementary is a meme
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>>52942009
That have nothing to do with calling Ubuntu botnet. People can chose and personalize their installations in each distro.
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>>52942153
>I can turn off the botnet, Windows is fine
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>>52942177
No need to resort to memes and greentext. If that's the only that you could grasp of what I say then go ahead and keep using Arch and calling the rest of distros 'botnet'.
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Recommend me browsers pls
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>>52942477
iceweasel aurora
icecat aurora
lynx
w3m
ff dev
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Just got my thinkpad today and put Mint on it. I'm actually really enjoying it. The similarity to windows makes it easy to use while I learn command lines.
How do I adjust shit screen resolution though? and will the nivida manager work on it?
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>>52942619
the universal way is https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xrandr

you could use arandr aswell.
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But windows 10 was free and came from an actual company why get linux
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I dont see why you guys use linux when windows was preinstalled for free on my laptop. I get to play muh games
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>>52942719
>came from an actual company
if it was gratis and is made by a company you are the product.
>>52942733
you paid the price when buying it. the OEM version is roughly 35 bucks
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>>52942719
>free and came from an actual company
So do some Linux distros

>>52942733
Games on a laptop? How exiting.
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>>52942801
Sir its exciting. Not exit ing. And i play alot of games. Minecraft and Java is amazing
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>>52942759
Not sure what you mean by I'm the product unless you're some tin foil wearer
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>>52942824
>Minecraft
So of all the games you took one that runs natively on Linux?
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>>52942837
You these lincucks are so scared of nothing.
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>>52942837
how do you think MS get their money if you don't pay for windows?
https://choice.microsoft.com/en-us/opt-out
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>>52942870
They get their money from xbox console fags
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i want to copy all my gnome3 settings between 2 accounts on arch. what files do i need to copy? i want my shell extentions copied too
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Actually made this Arch Linux install script.
ejoy

https://bitbucket.org/Ulikea/shellsc ripts/raw/e3f9d174ccbd56f627 c6dd64694dbefc46e6ffd0 /install.bash
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>>52942891
no they don't
also please smash that >>>/v/ button and get out.
>>52942953
your config files and your extensions, should have installed them system wide
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>>52943014
Looks unusable to me
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'Unusual' distros question:

Does anybody tried SourceMage (http://beta.sourcemage.ru/About) or GoboLinux (http://www.gobolinux.org/)? If so, what do you think about them?
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How do I diagnose a recurring freezing problem when the system logs don't provide any useful information? I already checked the HDD and RAM for problems and they're both fine. I can't even REISUB when it happens (though that may be the shitty roll over on the keyboard).
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>>52943112
it's easy + basic + headless
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>>52943220
>extreme shilling
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I'm trying to transition into Linux by running it in a VM for about two weeks now and have been reading on open and closed source GPU drivers. What I can get is that Intel is king, Nvidia sucks ass on open source but is decent at proprietary, and AMD might save everyone in Linux with their recent open sourcing of drivers. My doubts are how Nvidia's open source alternative fares on things like video playing, light gaming, and emulators like dolphin. I also got the cuck card, but I'd like to use as much free software as possible. I don't even game anymore so that's not an issue, what I'd like is good video playback
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>>52943979
video playback will most likely be fine, i'm not sure about dolphin. do you have an intel cpu by chance?
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>>52943979
Nouveau is fine for desktop usage, it's just not great for opengl stuff (like games)

I run the closed nvidia drivers on my gtx960 and gtx980's and have had zero issues, but I don't really game, they are for computation

A lot of people run into issues with exotic configurations not working well with the default package manager configs (especially upgrading). I bypass that crap and just install the drivers manually so I can tweak xorg how I need it without the package manager fucking up my existing configs.
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/flt/ I have a 21:9 monitor (2560x1080) and I am struggling to set this resolution on my Ubuntu when using the open source GPU drivers. Am I doing something wrong? Could someone help me?
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>>52944294
you can set it in the kernel command line prior to kernel mode setting or you can create a default xorg.conf and specify it there

Another way is to do it on-the-fly with xrandr, but you will need to write a startup script
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>>52944294
sudo aptitude install arandr
arandr
see if it is supported, otherwise:
sudo aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree
reboot
if that doesn't work i need to know which gpu and kernel version.
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>>52942858
Being baited this entire time.
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>>52944342
Will try this and be right back.
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>>52944074
That's great, I'm actually using the memvideoplayer and it has been very nice. I do have an OC'd sandy vagina i5.

>>52944111
>t's just not great for opengl stuff
Well shit.

>I run the closed nvidia drivers on my gtx960 and gtx980's and have had zero issues,
Are they from their site? Debian supplies nvidia drivers, but I can't test them. I haven't touched xorg at all since I'm on one window.
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>>52944342
>sudo aptitude install arandr
>arandr
Picture related, what happened.
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>>52944420
yeah I get the .run files straight from nvidia and run them in tty2 after I stop my dm

I usually enable dkms too so I don't have to reinstall following kernel updates

If I don't have an exotic setup I let the installer populate xorg.conf, otherwise I deny it and use my existing config (if I'm using multiple GPUs)

Updating via the repos is nice and all but 99.9% of the time people have issues with their graphics drivers it's because of the packaging and default configs
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>>52944488
don;t use a front-end just use xrandr directly, it's a piece of cake
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>>52944420
then you have an intel hd 3000? not sure if that's enough for dolphin.
noveau could be enough. try both and see if you need the proprietary nvidia drivers.
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>>52944521
Sorry for the delay, my resolution was fucked up because I changed from proprietary to open source.
Here's the output of xrandr.
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>>52944733
xrandr --output HDMI-0 --mode 2560x1080+0+0


Although it looks like your edid is not reporting right so you might have to manually add the modeline. It's kind of a bitch but you can google around to see how to do it.
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>>52944733
>>52944488

Your ubuntu looks nice, are you using a theme or something?
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>>52944733
>>52944777

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr#Adding_undetected_resolutions

Basically run:

cvt 2560 1080
to get the modeline and then:

xrandr --newmode "2560x1080_60.00" MODELINEGOESHERE


to add the mode and then:

xrandr --addmode HDMI-0 2560x1080_60.00
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>>52944497
>>52944574
I'm sorry I've been lying to you. I am running Debian stretch with xfce right now and was just curious how nouveau fared against Nvidia's proprietary drivers.
I was using the latter, but I was having audio issues and didn't know what was up, so I went the windows baby way and reinstalled from a live USB. Overall, it's been working, but it's tearing everywhere since I haven't configured anything.

Would you be kind enough to at least share some configs? Most of them look very similar, but I'd like to see someone with Maxwell. I'm on a few arch wikis with xrandr and Nvidia drivers and am about to try again with Nvidia's latest branch. Have some more anthropomorphous phones.
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>>52944877
How rude of me posting such a low quality image.
Have another with higher quality.
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>>52940905
>reiserFS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2in82iI7Qg
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>>52944877
xorg configs are going to be system dependent anon

if you are not running something exotic just run nvidia-xconfig
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Hello familia

I've been trying to install Debian (stable) on my PC all day now, but I keep running into grub rescue "error: unknown filesystem"

I've tried the typical "ls" command which gave me "(hd0) (hd0,msdos1)" and then setting prefix, then "insmod normal" but at that point I'd get error:unknown filesystem again.

I've got HD sda/sdb (1TB each) and I've tried installing the grub boot loader on both of them, didn't work. BTW, to make sure I also tried installing back my Windows 10 and it seemed to work fine.

Also I'm by no means a /g/ expert but at very least I'm not completely retarded either and am willing to do the research. Just thought I'd ask here if someone else got any opinions/experience I haven't tried yet.

Currently trying to install this from my USB with the small/net ISO. I'm not too sure what else I could do to make this work atm. :(
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>>52944777
>>52944842
I just did this and after I typed the last line
xrandr --addmode HDMI-0 2560x1080_60.00
My screen started blinking and I couldn't see shit and had to reboot.

>>52944779
It's just Arc-Theme + Paper Icons
Arc-Theme: https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme
Paper Icons: http://snwh.org/paper/
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>>52944935
Are you creating an efi partition?
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Is 30GB enough for a linux mint partition?

Should i create the partition from windows or trough linux installer?
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>>52940905
I have mpv and youtube-dl installed and i can watch videos from YT by typing the link after "mpv". What's the command to download videos?
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>>52944982
Not that I'm aware of? On the guided partition section I chose to "use entire disk" and selected the sda. It then created

>#1 primary 966gb B F ext4 /
>#5 logical 34.2GB (nothing) F swap swap

The sdb right below was clean.

I also chose "all files in one partition" as it was the recommended for new users.
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>>52945210
man youtube-dl
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>>52940905
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux
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>>52944916
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>>52945443
thanks, i needed that.
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What's the lightest distro I can install and use as a host for VMs?
Using a single OS for coding/media/daily is making my debian install quiet large and a lot of stuff I don't want too start sometimes.
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>>52946073

use containers
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>>52946073
alpine
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What are the limits when it comes to ricing? What can I not customize?
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>>52946161
depends on your abilities
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Using Debian Jessie, ublock origin isn't in the repos or back ports, only Adblock plus is, but adblockplus has a shitty dev that takes bribes from companies. Use Adblock from official repos, or ublock origin from Mozilla's site, what's more secure?
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>>52941674
>>52941745
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>>52946259
why not just get the addon for iceweasel?
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>>52946169
So your saying that there isn't anything I can't theme? I can customize the look of every program that I may run on my system?
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>>52946358
if they are FOSS, yes. it may be hard with proprietary software.
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>>52946293
Running Debian Jessie, not in the repos
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>>52946293
From where?
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>>52946422
then how am i running it? >>52946436
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=ublock%20origin&platform=Linux&appver=43.0a2
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So i just recently installed linux on my desktop and i cant up the internet since it wont automatically set up. I cant find the drivers for the netgeae A6100. Help? Does anyone know how to make it work for ubuntu v15
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>>52946461
sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential git gcc-5
git clone https://github.com/diederikdehaas/rtl8812AU.git
make CC=/usr/bin/gcc-5
sudo make install
sudo modprobe 8812au
echo 8812au | sudo tee -a /etc/modules[/code]
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>>52945444
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This happens to my raspberry pi 2

kernel:[ 3135.960838] Internal error: Oops: 5 [#1] PREEMPT SMP ARM

Im only using transmission with 1 torrents
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>>52941969
I use xpra
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>>52941745
See:>>52941748
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This thread would be 200% better when distro fanboys would fuck off.
>recommend botnet canonical for newfags
>recommend hardcore arch linux for newfags
Both retarded.
>not happy people choose freedom
>not happy cuz people choose the WRONG freedom
literally what is wrong with you autists
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>>52947886
literally nothing wrong with either of those distros.
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>>52944922
Exactly why I included it.
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>>52941748
>Cinnamon
your fault
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>>52948047
please leave, thanks
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>>52948085
What? Cinnamon is an unfunctional DE. I said my fact. And it's a fact that Mint devs who made Cinnamon are incompetent.
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>>52947886
I literally recommend variety, so nothing wrong with giving options. Now, confusing people about how each distro behaves, that is what people should stop doing.
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>>52940905
Just got OpenRC running instead of systemd on my arch machine. Only real issues are that it says it is starting manjaro on boot (non issue) and my hostname according to screenfetch and archey3 is my hostname.home (botnet.home, small issue). Has anyone here had these issues?
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>>52948047
>cinnamon
>bad
shit taste family member
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>>52948731
>OpenRC
Non functional piece of shit. Go back to systemd.
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>>52948767
Wow, first time I've seen someone actually for systemd. Most are against or indifferent
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Requesting that meme "What Linux distros to choose flowchart"
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>>52949210
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Had to patch my kernel to deal with a hardware lock for a Wacom drawing tablet. How long does compiling the linux kernel usually take?
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>>52946422
Why would firefox plugins need to be in the repos?
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i cant get the gnome shell extentions to work. i have the plugin enabled but nothing happens when i click install
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>>52941307
> Turn off amazon spyware
> trusting software off switches
> not just using an alternate Ubuntu flavor

>>52941189
Use Ubuntu GNOME or Kubuntu, or any of the flavors, really. Personally I really like Lubuntu.

Everything else the first reply said is on point, don't let what /g/ says make you insecure. Use a distro that you like and that does what you need.
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>>52941895
Gentoo is not better than Arch in terms of time-sucking and autism.

It's a better minimal distribution, sure. Allows more customization, sure. But it is not somehow less autistic to fuck around setting up a Gentoo install than it is to fuck around setting up an Arch install.

They're both hobbyist/advanced distributions for people who want to set up their own system how they want it. Arch is easier than Gentoo but it doesn't make it worse, it makes it somewhat different.
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>>52950268
>trusting software off switches
You're free to audit the code
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>>52941914
> Use Fedora for two and a half years
> Switch to Gentoo for a month and a half
> Go back to Fedora because I decided I didn't want to spend so much time on my distribution
> Had an excellent, mostly painless time with Gentoo and learned a shitload about Linux and how my computer works
> Happily using a just werks "noob" distribution, don't give a fuck
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Why does chromium run so much better(way more responsive while loading other tabs at the same time) than firefox on lower end linux machines? I realize firefox doesn't run tabs as threads yet, but jesus. Other than that, I recently moved back to linux, feels great man.
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>>52950304
It doesn't allow more customization, it's just more of a pain in the ass on other distributions. You're still free to edit the build-process how you want.
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>>52942009
This. Ubuntu is marketed as "mom and dad's linux". It's supposed to be usable for the tech illiterate. Betraying the trust of those people and putting datamining spy shit in a Linux distribution makes them almost as bad as Microsoft. They betrayed the community, their userbase, and defeated the purpose of Linux.

Fuck Canonical. If you want to go Ubuntu, use a flavor. Boycott default.
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>>52942105
It's MemeOS. Just use an Ubuntu Flavour or Debian if you want APT. (Do not use vanilla ubuntu, it's loaded with Amazon spyware. Anyone who says it can be disabled is a naive idiot.)

Elementary has outdated repos, little support or maintenance, and its visuals (the only real draw) are no longer great by any standards.

All that said, I wouldn't use an APT distribution. I prefer RPM. If you care to bother installing Gentoo, Portage is the greatest package manager of them all.
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>>52950359
>Boycott default.
Who didn't do that before to avoid Unity anyway?
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>>52950307
> I'll just sit down and sift through millions of lines of code
> Implying they can't put shit in the ISOs

Linux From Scratch is the only truly trustworthy Linux, and even then the Kernel is backdoored and all that.

Use a distribution that isn't run by people with a vested interest in stealing your information, and one that doesn't pull shit like slipping spyware into Linux anyway.
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>>52950412
Auditing Linux code is fun though.
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>>52950324
Enable 3d acceleration and use aurora.
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>>52941189
Personally I'm a big fan of xubuntu, although I am starting to like Fedora now....
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Hello /flt/
I've just ditched Win7 on my laptop and wanted to install a friendly Debian on it. I did succeed, however I've ran across an issue with network card firmware/driver. I cannot seem to find a source for getting it for Linux. Pls send halp
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>>52951167
Sudo aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree
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>>52951214
That's gonna work greatly without a network
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>>52951224
Shiet, I would reinstall the non-free version if you don't have Ethernet then. But how did you even go through the installation? Always use netinstall.
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>>52951242
The installation just werk'd.
I did get a couple fo more or less precise notifications about missing software, but it just werk'd
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>>52951287
Did you already use the netinstall? If yes you certainly do have a working connection. Network manager should be installed automatically on debian, type nmtui into the terminal and see if you have any connection available.
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>>52951332
I did not use a netinstall. I simply ISO'd my pendrive and used the basic version. What do?
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>>52951349
Reinstall with the nonfree netinstall, this is the easiest way and the iso is like 250mb.
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Hello /g/entoomen, I have been testing different distros (debian, mint, *buntu, arch, fedora) and I have a problem occuring on ALL of them, on all DEs (I think it's Xorg and/or hardware related) :

When I have multiple windows open, the focus is STUCK to one window.
I can't click other windows to bring them to the front, same for the menu bar and dialog boxes.
Alt-tab is functional but doesn't bring windows to the front.
Even to install a distro I often need to use my keyboard only.
(GTX 660, mouse : razer deathadder)

Please share your magic /g/, it's the only thing that makes me keep my windows partition.
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>>52940905
>need a program to write musical notation (i.e. tab because I'm a scrub)
>sick of running pirated guitarpro with wine
>want to get something native and free
>google it
>find denemo
>download it and run
>a billion different windows pop up all over my screen containing 8 or so buttons each
>close them all until I just have the score
>no idea how the fuck to start using it
>google it
>there's a 20+ video tutorial playlist
>you have to do everything with a series of key combinations
>video ends by mentioning that it's free software
>wait a minute
>GNU Denemo
fucking GNU
https://vimeo.com/65174334

Does anyone know one of these that isn't literally emacs with sound?
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>>52951349
You can download the package with your phone or something and install it manually.
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>>52951491
You maybe forgot to configure your VM to allow catching your mouse.
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Is the Linux course on edx a good place to start learning about Linux?
It's provided by the Linux foundation so it must be good, right?
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>>52951805
Yes. Unlike FSF, which can't make a good course, learn from Linux Foudnation or Red Hat's course.
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>>52951827
>Red Hat
>learn from
How to sell Linux?
How to wear a fedora?
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>>52951858
https://www.redhat.com/en/services/training/all-courses-exams
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>>52951615
https://alternativeto.net/software/denemo/?platform=linux
denemo looks like it's got buttloads of functionality though.
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I'm on debian and i want to replace the grub background and my lightdm background. is it safe to just replace /usr/share/images/desktop-base/lines-grub-1920x1080.png with what i want to have?
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>>52951805
either the linux foundation or https://training.suse.com/training/suse-linux-enterprise-server-2/
fuck Red Hat
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>>52952020
Nice try SUSE employee.
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>>52951858
epic meme broski.
Don't you have some broken xorg.conf after pacman -syuu to fix?
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>>52951827
what does the FSF have to do with courses? why do you even bring them up in that context?
you sound like a Red Hat shill.
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>>52945095
even 20GB is enough, in my opinion
use the linux partition manager (probably gparted), it simulates everything first and then applies what you want
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Arch user here. Sell me on Slackware and opensuse.
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>>52952223
Maybe these SUSE employees will shill openSUSE: >>52952103 >>52952020
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I want to get a Toshiba 2 Chromebook and install Fedora on it. How fucked am I?
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>>52952223
https://searx.me/?q=why%20slacvkware&categories=general
https://searx.me/?q=why%20opensuse&categories=general
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>>52952251
>want to install fedora
a bit, not too concerning
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>>52952281
What about redhat?
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>>52952290
totally fucked, running a server distro on a laptop is kinda retarded.
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>>52952252
So I have to build everything from source in Slackware? That's a bit of a pain.
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>>52952304
what else should i sell you on? you asked for slackware
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>>52952296
Is there a list of Linux variants that work well on chromebook?
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>>52952356
all of them if you know what you are doing. drivers are in the kernel so that's the only thing that matters for your chromebook. get something with reasonably new packages and you'll be fine.
debian testing, arch, funtoo/gentoo, fedora, slackware, opensuse tumbleweed or whatever will be fine, choose by the package manager, package count, default software and philosophy you like.
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>>52952410
Thanks mate, one of my friends is getting me into programming and he recommended Fedora and Arch since they're more desirable in terms of employment along with VMware and AWS.
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>he doesn't use rebeccablackOS
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>>52952457
your distro really doesn't matter, use whatever you like best.
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>>52948804
Is because he is a shill, a cuck and a scum
>>52948767
Go back to Red Hat, fucking telemarketer, we know you get paid to talk shit
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>tfw your mother follows debian on normiebook
i love my family
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>>52952472
Fuck off SUSE employee, everyone knows you can't contribute properly to Linux. You even asked us for help in live patching.
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Hey guys i need some help. I did a minimal debian 8.3 install (No DE or any other bloatware) and installed xorg, lightdm and xfce4. And now i have problems with wifi. lspci says my network controller is Qualcom Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565, so I installed firmware-atheros package. I also downloaded all the non-free firmware .deb packages from debian.org and put them into /usr/local/lib/firmware. the weird thing is that the wifi connection shows up on network-manager-gnome, it says its connected, and i can even do # apt-get update, it updates the list form the server. but when i try and install something, its stuck at 0%. halp. do i just need to dpkg-reconfigure something?
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>>52949332
That's a very bad flowchart.

Recommending BSD and Solaris? Don't confuse people.
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Win7 is going to be my last Windows version, and I'm trying to decide between Debian and OpenSUSE. On one hand, the 3 most popular distros(Plus SteamOS) are Debian based, so everything is going to be available for it, and there's plenty of support. On the other hand, I hear that it tends to be super outdated, to the tune of years. In OpenSUSE's favor, it's got a thing to build packages from any flavor of Linux, some fancy configuration tool, and is 100% designed around being an easy to use desktop installation.

Is my choice basically outdated with better support, or up-to-date and polished with less support, or are there other things I should consider? It'll be for generic day to day desktop use, with whatever gaming I can, and I'll keep Win7 to switch to for games that need it.
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>>52950359
See, this is a rational argument.

It's entirely a matter of subjective personal principle, but it stands.
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>>52950359
What spy shit did they add? I've heard it before, but never specifics.
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>>52952499
>us
you confirmed that you are a shill.
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>>52952517
>On the other hand, I hear that it tends to be super outdated, to the tune of years.
That shouldn't be a problem for someone opting to keep using a totally outdated version of Windows instead of upgrading to the newest version all the time.
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>>52952517
Debian testing and unstable are a thing. debian testing is about as stable as *buntu.
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>>52952543
>shill
>not an actual employee that stumbles on 4chin
not everyone is a neet, anon
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>>52952569
>everybody who doesn't work at red hat is a neet
nice
you have a significant amount of bias in this regard if you work there, i never trusted salesmen.
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>>52952584
>salesmen
>not an actual kernel hacker
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>>52952556
It is if the software I need to use isn't in the repos.
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>>52952594
you can always install them manually. but i am >>52952557 and will keep recommending debian testing
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>>52952594
Debian isn't bad at having software in its repos at all.
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>>52952606
How out of date is testing?
>>52952621
My bad, I was more referring to the version.
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>>52952639
>How out of date is testing?
i just got an upgrade to linux 4.3.5 from 4.3.3, debian testing is not out of date at all.
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>>52952517
If you want an rpm based distribution Fedora and it's derivatives are much better choice than openSUSE.

openSUSE is great only when you intend to run it with KDE
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>>52952639
Why do you care about versions so much on Linux while you don't give a fuck about them on Windows?
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>>52952592
you get paid by them, you got a bias, it's easy as that.
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>>52952649
>4.3.5
>not out of date
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/linux/
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>>52952674
i waited for someone like you
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>>52952693
>uname
Nice try.
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>>52952660
OS=/=software you use on that OS
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>>52952651
Why specifically with KDE? And is there anything wrong with KDE?
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>>52952736
because opensuse patches KDE and makes it actually usable.
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kind of want to use arch but now I can only see the fat guy under the logo

you ruined it for me /flt/
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>>52951615
i'm guessing that software rights actual standard music notation, AND tab.

Tab is an incredibly simplified format, standard notation is a relatively complex format.

Maybe you should try searching for a tab writer instead.

Also, there's a lot of web based tab writing applications out there that import to several different formats.
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>>52952745
As in they do custom stuff to make it work on OpenSUSE, or they contribute it upstream and are just the first to get the updates?
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>>52952499
>us
>US
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>>52952725
Software you use may depend on libraries which may depend on the OS version.

Someone who always wants the newest version should not stay on a horribly outdated OS but then suddenly worry about a distro possibly having outdated software.
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Novell and Red Hat shills GTFO.

We don't care about your shitty fedoras or openPEPEs.
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>>52952749
I can write / read proper notation - it's just way, way more convenient to use tab for guitar (and staff notation for the rhythm)

Ideally I want something that can play back a recognisable guitar sound and that also does bass, drums, etc.

I'm thinking I might just have to go back to guitarpro
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>>52952772
>us
I speak under the name of collective Red Hat Linux hackers, hence "us".
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>>52952762
for example the firefox is patched to use the appropriate filechooser. opensuse is the upstream to SUSE enterprise.
i don't like KDE and i don't like companies however, i'm more of a debian guy.
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>>52952805
don't you have some broken dependencies to fix?
or maybe a niggered xorg.conf?
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>>52952828
So, tell me, how did that rant go when you break the userspace?
Also,
>2828
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>>52952794
Got it, did it wrong once, so I should do it wrong forever instead of making sure I do things right when I make a fresh start. Ya'know, ignoring the fact that Win7 is still supported and I keep it up-to-date, and that all the software I install on the OS is up-to-date, which is what I was worried about, not that the kernel was up-to-date.
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>>52952674
Yet how long did it take for most arch users to receive 4.3?
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I heard that some GNU folks had a project of creating a free and open alternative to Internet. Some have even proposed using packet radios to transmit packets over long ranges.
Could anyone please provide me with the name of this project, or at least a helpful link?
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>>52953086
you mean cjdns? or GNUnet? maybe Freifunk?
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My question is this. Will there ever be a proper alternative to x.org?
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>>52953109
Yes.
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>>52953109
Wayland
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>>52953121
On that topic, what are your thoughts on Mir and the entire convergence thing ?
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>>52953139
Mir is a useless piece of shit. canonicle should have never forked.
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>>52953139
>entire
forks happen all the time, it's not that much of a big deal. If you want a stupid fork look at ffmpeg and libav, that causes problems for people who don't use ubuntu because ubuntu was stupid enough to choose the wrong one.
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>>52953152
Well x.org isn't that great either right?
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>>52953236
Works fine for me
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>>52953236
yea but canonicle should have contributed to wayland like everyone else intsead of starting something this retarded.
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Novell, Red Hat, consider the following.

If you want to promote your distros, step forward and openly say you come here in the name of Fedora and openSUSE, provide technical support when anons need it, and DON'T BULLY other distros.

Arch. Gentoo, even Ubuntu can be a choice for the users, and you have to respect that.
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>>52953297
do you feel bullied?
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>>52953297
If one wants to ask about RHEL services, contact https://www.redhat.com/en/services/support or call us.

Fedora was not on my line of responsibility, but so far no one in /flt/ has problems with Fedora, don't know about SUSE shills though. :^)
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Im newty new to Linux. Now then, i'd like to dual boot Linux mint, so far I only launched it with VirtualBox. I have 2 hard drives, how do I set up everything so that I could dual boot Linux mint from my second hardrive?
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>>52953522
Install it. On the second hard drive.
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>>52953327
>but so far no one in /flt/ has problems with Fedora
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>>52953583
i have got ISO, how do i install it?
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>>52953596
That means Red Hat is careful and always strive to perfection, we rarely got issues. :^)
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>>52953623
write the iso file to a usb-drive with win32diskimager or something similar and boot from it.
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>>52953297
Red Hat is making money with linux, the only profit the users get are some indians they can call when something wents wrong. Good, they realease many things free, but so does Canonical, Windows, Apple.

Just recently started to read an linux-related ebook, see
>copyright by Red Hat
into the trash it's gone

"Enterprise Linux", nope.
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>>52953327
>but so far no one in /flt/ has problems with Fedora
probably because nobody actually uses it
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>>52953648
true story?
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>>52953638
is UNetBootin ok for that?
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>>52953763
absolutely not
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>>52953648
>Free
As in freedom? I guess not. We are the vanguards of Free Software, unlike Microsoft, Apple, and to some degrees, Canonical.
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>>52953788
>what is fedora
>what is overpass
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>>52953788
Redhats, what did you choose a meme as logo?
Nobody wants to be a fedora memer. Your whole idea is trash. Only tumblr/9gag uses hats.
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>>52953806
>Overpass
https://github.com/RedHatBrand/overpass
>Fedora
Hell I won't list it one by one.
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>>52953828
I use overpass, am I gay?
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>>52953826
Ask the people in 1993.
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>>52953844
maybe its time for a name change :^)
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>>52953838
While it is a nice font, I wouldn't use it but for title.

>>52953861
Gotta ask the board for that.
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>>52953788
Apple and Microsoft did contribute to Free software.
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>>52953908
i don't think they ever used a copyleft license though.
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>>52953918
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS
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>>52953933
thanks for correcting me, anything with a copyleft license by MS?
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>>52953908
As much as Red Hat? No? Good. We have contributed to the Linux kernel, OpenStack, LibreOffice, Xorg, GTK, GCC, and many more.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_contributions
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>>52953967
I'm pretty sure they did contribute to something, but I forgot its name and it's hard to google.
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>>52953933
>>52953967
wait, what's this?
>>
Fedora is the most secure out of the box distribution you can get.

It has the least amount of vulnerabilities out of all mainstream distributions.
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>yfw it's thanks to apple you have a working printer

Thanks apple
>>
So for the first time ever I have booted Linux mint. To install it I need Internet connection, but after I try to connect I get disconnected errors. How could I fix this?
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>>52954060
>Michael Sweet, who owned Easy Software Products, started developing CUPS in 1997. The first public betas appeared in 1999. The original design of CUPS used the LPD protocol, but due to limitations in LPD and vendor incompatibilities, the Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) was chosen instead. CUPS was quickly adopted as the default printing system for most Linux distributions. In March 2002, Apple Inc. adopted CUPS as the printing system for Mac OS X 10.2. In February 2007, Apple Inc. hired chief developer Michael Sweet and purchased the CUPS source code.
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>>52954064
If you really expect anyone to help you with such vague problem description don't get your hopes high up.

It's basically rolling over to a car mechanic and saying
>car worky-worky
>but now stop
>pls fix
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>>52954083
Yes, and? They continue to develop it and it still has a free license.
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>>52954083
>and purchased the CUPS source code.
That was my point.
Of course applel is not in power to change the licensing of existing CUPS version but they could just close all future versions and call it a day.

That being said apple does contribute to open source when it fits them, so in that regard they're tad bit less unethical than Memesoft.
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>>52954064
>I have booted Linux mint
>To install it I need Internet connection
But you already booted it? Did you boot into a netinstall? Does Mint even have one?

>but after I try to connect I get disconnected errors
I sure hope you use wired.
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>>52954116
>That being said apple does contribute to open source when it fits them, so in that regard they're tad bit less unethical than Memesoft.
Even I agree to that.
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I somehow got everything working again on Debian testing but it's still stuttering on video playback. It's much less frequent though. Anyone having any problems with Nvidia's 361.28 driver?
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>>52954425
>Anyone having any problems with Nvidia's 361.28 driver?
yeah, it's non-free
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>>52954462
Nice one anon, nouveau isn't that great.
Polaris fucking where? I don't like running non-free software.
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>>52954504
i know, does polaris change nvidias driver model?
have you tried rolling back to an earlier version?
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>>52954425
Lots of people apparently
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If I've never used linux before how bad of an idea is it to start off with arch
>>
Is there any way to ROT filenames of a given directory, sub directory and files?
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>>52954576
If you can't read, very. It's pretty easy to install with the beginner's guide on the wiki. If you can't install it, don't get mad and shitpost over how "linux is so shitty it doesn't have and installer", just try something else
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>>52954588
ROT13?
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>>52954626
user picks the rot value
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>>52954576
i recommend against starting with arch, it's very niche. but trying it won't hurt
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>>52954634
write a shell script
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>>52954663
I am but I don't know how to rename folders, sub folder and files
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>>52954576
Arch is a distro for people who know which software packages they want, since you don't know yet it's probably better to start with a different distro.
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