>majored in computer science
>graduated with a 2.8 GPA
>40k in student debt
>can't find a job
I thought STEM majors are in-demand. What happened /g/?
If you didn't hired straight out of uni and you graduated more than 6 months ago, your degree is already worthless, nobody wants anything to do with you if you have a massive gap in your resume with no experience to show for it.
I bet you never even wrote code outside of class, given your shit GPA.
>majored in CS
>grad with 3.9 GPA
>went on for masters
>going to grad with a 4.0 GPA
>can't find a job because socially inept
The closest I came was Google, but I choked on a interview question. They atleast let me enjoy the rest of my trip to their HQ though since they flew me out for 3days.
2.8gpa? Hope you went to a fantastic school. 2.5+ at my school has a 95% hire rate. Anything above 2.9 is a "99" rate but only because of that one chance somebody doesn't get hired.
At any non top 30 school though a 2.8 is pretty shitty. Plus if you have no experience or portfolio that only makes it worse.
fuck, i just switched my major from bio to CS in hopes to get a job out of school
i go to a low tier state school though (ualbany)...they have internships set up with GE. at least ill get some experience and maybe be a lil more marketable
but i feel like my shit GPA will ruin it
no debt though at least.
Also, keep trying. Tailor your CV for each job you apply for; don't show your GPA there.
Research every company you apply for, if you get the interview opportunity. They will appreciate you doing research, it shows that you want that job.
Prepare yourself for the interview, look up at least 2 pages of possible interview questions and prepare for every one of them. This will also prepare you for questions that aren't in there, it'll get you in the mindset of thinking how to answer their questions too.
Dw Anon, you can do it. Just keep trying.
The knowledge of your degree could be found for free online and learned in a quarter of the time. You paid $40k for the school's connections and support. Where did you intern? Did you attend your school's job fairs?
GPA literally doesn't matter unless you put it on your resume, OP, don't listen to retards. What happened was that ZuckerBERG and friends imported a ton of street shitters into the country to work for scraps and drive down the pay for programmers. Why do you want to be a programmer in the first place? Choose a job that utilizes programming, but isn't solely programming. If you don't want to do that then move to Asia and become rich since they don't know anything about computers.
>he doesn't post a source
>he puts acorns in his ass
Literally nobody gives a fuck about your GPA as much as you think they do. You think they just have a list of names with their GPA beside them?
Lots of kids graduate with 3.5+ but have never worked in their life. They're worthless.
1. Personal connections.
2. Work experience.
3. Degree and GPA.
If employers wanted only good grades from good schools, they would exclusively import foreign workers.
wew! I feel like i dodged a bullet.
graduated with a CIS degree with something like a 3.02 GPA... I knew id be fully worthless if I got below a 3.
Got a job right out of college 2 years ago.
Seriously though, if you get below a 3 you didnt try at all. I didnt try till my senior year when I realized I NEEDED to have above a 3.
Not literally everyone. Sometimes, people who have no clue and manage to get in the class anyway make complete fools of themselves by making joke-tier pathetic projects and get Fs.
The correlation is there, but I think the causation is reversed. People aren't more likely to get hired because they have a higher GPA, but rather people who put effort in to achieve a higher GPA are more likely to be the kind of person that gets hired.
I have a friend who graduated with a 2.7 GPA with a chemistry degree....
He was told that unless he got a masters that he was essentially fucked. Literally no one wants a chemistry grad with a 2.7 GPA.
Id reckon its the same with CS.
Good luck OP.
>gpa doesn't matter though
But it does, The two jobs I applied to both asked me straight to my face and I knew that saying anything starting out with "2" would sound like shit and result in a decline.
They had so many people applying that they literally took NO ONE with a 2.x GPA.
A lot of college students take out massive loans because their parents and teachers tell them to, but are still too young and immature to really understand the consequences of doing so. Lazy students taking on massive student loans with no oversight is a recipe for disaster.
Computer Info Systems.
Its a degree thats 50% business and 50% CS for those of us not autistic enough to code.
I couldnt deal with the shitty coding classes in CS so I switched and did CIS which only focuses on c# which was easy.
GPA really doesn't matter that much, and if it's low you should just omit it from your resume. You skills/experience are the most important things, and GPA only acts as a way to supplement that if you have no experience.
I interviewed about 15 candidates for software engineer positions in my last job. We had a meeting after each set of interviews to discuss the candidates and GPA/education never came up even once. We focused mainly on the candidates skills and job history and their answers to the interview questions.
Yeah, pretty much. Though I don't think most unis will take on someone with a 2.8 GPA for a master's without special approval. If you're lucky enough to get in, though, it should be easy if you're actually good and lost points for being lazy/not caring about silly, tedious homework.
I'm studying this at penn state.
3rd year atm.
It's pretty comfy.
Databases have been my passion since high school days of running private game servers (WoW and Ragnarok online) so I figured might as well get some degree for it.
>GPA really doesn't matter that much,
Yes, it does.
My friend graduated with a 2.6...
I would never trust him in a actual workplace setting. Hes just too lazy.
I realize its different for most people. but to go 4 years and still have under a 3? Thats trash.
Means you get an A in a class once every blue moon or something.
Went through the normal hiring process
GPA is a proxy for other aspects. The people you screened out for whatever reason probably had a low GPA. There is really no excuse to have a low GPA unless you are extremely lazy and literally unwilling to put in the work to go through university.
He only got into the colleges masters program because he was apart of a special 4 + 1 program.
I told him hes really lucky because being a lazy fuck and not doing his homework screwed him.
I said man just get your masters, and dont look back.
I just think it's important for anyone taking on that much debt to understand the weight of that burden and be as informed as possible about what they're paying for. Not all higher education is expensive, not all expensive education is worth the price, and not all degrees are equally valuable.
If you take out a $40k loan, you should A) actually ensure that you will be able to efficiently pay it off and B) actually put in the effort to make that possible. A big problem I see is parents pressuring kids into going to insanely expensive schools, giving their children massive amounts of debt, and the kids are lazy and won't even get above a 2.5 GPA anyways. They could have saved $35k and just gone to a local community college instead.
It really doesn't. Assuming your friend graduated, just list the degree on the resume and omit the GPA. I guarantee no one will ask.
I get that YOU would never trust him, but a potential employer would make that determination based off the interview, not GPA.
If you made good connections, worked an internship, and you actually impressed in the interview, you would get hired anyways.
I promise you OP, GPA is overrated as fuck. Just keep interviewing and working in the field however possible.
HR will send resumes without a GPA on it straight into the trash. Why should they waste their time and money flying you in for an interview when there are many other candidates who actually list a good GPA on their resume?
Do employers ask about a gap in education?
I was pressured into going to college right out of HS and I didn't know what I wanted to study so I did poorly and dropped out. I worked for a bit at some low-paying jobs and saved some money, decided what I wanted to study and went back to school.
But there is like a 2 year gap. Is this a red flag?
What? Generally that's bullshit and you know it. With a 3.7 GPA I was able to outmatch a bunch of straight A guys, because all they did was memorize/learn the material required to pass. GPA doesn't matter for shit, actually.
On the other hand, for OP it's probably true that he can't program for shit.
OP start doing projects in your free time and git gud.
I think this only applies for internships. I've never seen an entry level or higher job that cares even slightly about your education, let alone your specific GPA.
Hell, half the time it's "4 year degree desired, but optional". Employers care far, far more about real world experience than education.
My resume didn't have a GPA on it and I got hired right after graduation, no questions asked. I've interviewed ~15 candidates total for software engineer positions and only about half of them even listed their GPA, and for none of them did it play any factor in the decision whether or not to hire
I would ask if I was interviewing you. But as long as you can explain the decision and show that you didn't just dick around for 2 years it shouldn't hurt you at all.
The GPA doesn't mean shit in real life, just as you say. In practice, though, that is - for getting interviews, it certainly matters, in the same way that getting a degree matters. It's a gating mechanism that can be overcome by other means but only in the right circumstances.
3.7 is fairly competent. Anything about around 3.5 and it's generally a crapshoot on who will actually be the best employee. But a 2.6 is fucking shit and I doubt someone with that could even write a Fizzbuzz.
>mfw going to medical school instead of following plebs down the programming gutter
Enjoy a salary level lower than that of teachers.
pic related. College got me the first internship/job (60k/yr + benefits). Connections got me new job and the bump to 6 figs (115k/yr + benefits).
>graduated with a 2.8 GPA
how is that possibly? i'm half retarded and even i can maintain a 3.5 gpa. also,
your suppose to get the job while youre still in college by your departments connections. fucking idiot.
>wah, waaah STEM isn't a guaranteed job@!@##$
It is if you don't fucking suck. I graduated with a 4.0 and I had a job before I finished my last semester because I was fucking good and arrogant about it to boot.
By dick around you mean not working on job related projects? Because I was just working two minimum wage jobs that had nothing to do with what I'm studying now.
When I lay in bed at night I get a panic attack from imagining myself not being employable after college.
By the way, what's employer's process like for hiring interns? Do they primarily look at GPA and/or relevant course work? What about projects?
My GPA is alright but I have no relevant projects or work experience (Information systems).
Closest thing I've done is run a WoW and RO private servers on MongoDB for a while and learn sql.
2.5 years out of STEM (electrical engineering + computer engineering) making 6 figures excluding bonus here
have you spent time (not hours) doing:
- interview practice
- resume prep
- research on specific companies
are you willing to relocate?
The knowledge of any degree can be learned for free. It's just you won't have any credibilityto fall back on when you say you can do something only because you read about it in a book in your local library.
Unless you have developed something that became extremely popular, or you are GeoHotz, you will just set yourself up for a lot of stress trying to get a progrraming related career.
Usually people that get a GPA of 2.xx aren't the type to do extracurricular if they can't do well in their actual classes. Thats the extent of how useful GPA is to get an idea of what type of person you're dealing with.
but they are in demand.
the only thing is that instead of hiring some fresh faced programmer straight out of school to do the dreg work, they'd rather ship it all to Pajeet and Rajesh who work for pennies on the dollar
As long as you can intelligently explain the 2 yrs it shouldn't be a problem. An employer would basically want you to fill in/explain the gap. As long as your response was something along the lines of "I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, so I spent a couple years working and researching my interests, volunteering, etc...)" I don't think it would be an issue. You can embellish/lie a bit as nothing you say here would really be verifiable. Just be prepared to answer any questions the interviewer might have about your story.
For an internship an employer will mostly be interested in your CURRENT skills, course work, and projects you've worked on (even if they're just school projects). An impressive project or 2 can act as the talking point(s) for your entire interview, which can be advantageous. Your GPA might also be considered, but it's less important. Remember, once you're in the interview the employer has already determined that you're a potential candidate, so the interview itself is the most important part. You will be hired, primarily, based on how that interview goes.
Running the private servers is actually okay to mention, just keep it focused on what you learned (mongo db, sql, server configuration and administration, etc), challenges you faced, etc.
Finally, if you're still in college now, you should definitely try to get an internship/job BEFORE you graduate. Your college probably has some good resources for this, so ask around. Having job experience in your field prior to graduation is IMMENSELY helpful and the employer you're interning for might hire you if you're a good worker too, or at least serve as a reference for your next job.
I think we'll see this trend reverse over time. The Rajesh's of the world produce some really shitty unmaintainable code and almost never understand the requirements of what they're building..
Has any of you guys ever considered a minor in accounting?
Or possibly another field that could compliment the programming but also offer a fall back, just in case. It would open up more possibilities and if you can't get anything else you could always do the books at a bar or other small business.
they'll sure as shit try, unless you manage to get into some top secret government projects, or anything where security is utmost importance.
all they need done is the gruntwork. If it gets bad enough they just switch to a different source of cheap third world labor and probably hire a few people here to audit the code
Passing classes doesn't make you special.
You're adverage. No one gives a shit about adverage people.
>Go to community college and then transfer to a four-year college
>Graduate with $18,000 in debt
>Get a job in journalism less than a month after graduating
Pfft... and people said a liberal arts education is a waste of money.
>cold applied to large corporation
>one phone interview
>boss was a bro, we just small talked for 2 hours
>offered job over the phone
>62k starting with 5k starting bonus, meh, better than most
>4 years out make 80k +20k/year bonus
Not making big bucks but hey, its a m-f 9-5, and I'll take it for my gpa.