This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that is required to make a fine watch.
Required viewing for newbies:
Sorry to whoever usually starts the new threads, I acquired something new and wanted to share it at the top of the thread because it is pretty special. My grandfather passed away some years back, and had this watch my dad bought for him at a shop that was dear to my grandfather back in NYC. It was given to me, and I am going to replace the battery and see if I can locate a replacement band or missing links for this. Looking around online, I haven't seen one cheaper than about $1,500USD.
This is a Bulova Accutron Spaceview (model 214.) My dad said back in the day, if you had an Accutron, people were like "oh shit." This is a very interesting watch with a lot of history. I am still learning more about this, reading about it and such.
This is my butchered understanding of how it works: On each kip of the tuning fork inside, there is a miniature electromagnetic solenoid (coils of wire hooked to battery), which vibrate the tuning fork at a certain frequency. The vibration of the tuning fork turns the gears of the mechanism, which moves the hands on the watch to keep time. If you google image search Boluva Accutron Spaceview it returns a lot of very cool pictures and different models. This watch came out in 1970, and my dad bought this one in about 1972. Posting a few pictures below.
LM special is in the mail, poljot is for sale.
>Being sorry for furfag because you started a thread
Fuck him, I'm more and more convinced 9gag is actually extremely tasteless.
Also anyone know where I could find that manual online? Might come in handy if I find an Accutron that's busted, but flawless externally.
Waiting for fake white g-shock ($3.50) and a komandirskie (black panzer tank dial, have brown leather nato to put it on).
A note my grand dad wrote about battery replacement some decades back. that's all for now. I'm gonna go over to a jeweler now and see about the band.
OP here again before I part with obligatory seiko posts, what I usually wear.
Love muh Seiko 5 Spirit. Had a friend ship it from Japan with original boxes and price tags and all that good stuff.
So /g/, why are 99.9% of women's watches such ugly dogshit? I'm trying to help my girlfriend pick out something decent and I'd like to know if you guys have any suggestions.
It should be dressy enough for business clothing, preferably on a bracelet but leather is ok, around 34mm and definitely more than 30mm and less than 38mm, price hopefully around $200-$300, no real preference for auto or quartz. No fake diamonds and shit.
As much as I like Seiko, their women's options are pretty fucking awful except for a couple of JDM Dolce or Exceline models I've found. It's a shame because she really likes my SARB035 but 38mm is too masculine looking, and she wears my penisquartzes occasionally but does not want something vintage. Orient seems to have only a few women's models and they are also awful. Pic related (Hamilton Viewmatic) seems perfect but she's hesitant to spend $500+ on her first real watch.
My bad it was 3.55
The white terrorist clone on the end was only a dollar, it has all the same functions and the water resistance works. Band is comfy too, pretty happy with it for a dollar.
I got a Slava a few days ago too, with a day date movement but I'm selling it on eBay because I'm not sure if I really like it.
Women are often not interested in watches, or when they are, often not nor than the most simple outward appearance and brand name matters. That's, in large part, why it doesn't pay to make many outstanding it interesting watches for women.
Is your girlfriend an especially.. large.. woman? Just curious why you're looking at only men's size watches for her.
I don't know about the Panerai rep but the Portuguese one lasts for around 5 days.
Well, it doesn't look weird at all imo, at least compared to the first Soviet watch I owned, this Pojot with 2614.2H movement. I resold it a year ago and lost some money, I hope it won't happen again.
Russian and especially Soviet watches are usually good little investments because of their collectibility, if you pick the right models you can always hope to get your money back.
No she's pretty thin, wrists are like 6" maybe at most. 34mm is hardly men's sized in 2016, though. I guess down to like 30mm is ok but when they get really small like pic related the proportions don't really look as good in my opinion.
I gave my gf a 36mm and it nearly has lug overhang. Besides that it's broken, she prefers her 26(?)mm timex a lot anyway and liked my grand-grandmothers 14mm watch.
Besides unlike men women tend to enjoy feminine looks. Something blocky verging on
being oversized isn't very feminine looking at all, even if scaled down for a qt wrist.
I wouldn't go over 32mm.
>Besides unlike men women tend to enjoy feminine looks.
>Neglecting the fact that there's more than a leather strap and dial to a watch.
There's a lot more to watches than fashion my friend. As much as anyone loves a good looking watch, the movements are just as important and have been around for decades, horology and technology in recording time has been around for 500 years (200-300 years before electricity was invented).
So if any thread deserves to be on /g/, its /wt/. Now fuck off.
>Besides unlike men women tend to enjoy feminine looks.
Not everyone is a queer like you anon.
On themselves / their wrists as opposed to muh oversize diver.
I realise I didn't formulate myself that well.
There's the Junghans Max Bill Ladies that 32.7mm I'd probably get my gf if she actually wanted another watch. A bit above the stated budget though.
New Casio cheap solar. It's almost too ugly to consider, but just almost.
Maybe, but she's apparently grossed out at buying a watch that others have worn. I'm jealous of how cheap women's watches are, an Oyster Princess costs maybe half as much as an Oyster Prince, for example.
34mm is still a men's Rolex oyster perpetual size. 31mm is often called boy's size, because it's often for small or young guys, but could go on a large woman.
If you want to get her a mechanical watch one of your best, and only options near your price range is the Orients. WZ039NR is a decent option. 411 if you get the mother of pearl dial. Quartz opens the options further. But a lot of sub300 women's quartz watches are pretty meh
It really depends on her size overall (not just in the fat/thin sense) and personal preference.
The tiniest women's watches are far tinier (in proportion) to a woman's wrist than a typical men's watch to a man's, a 31mm would be very fine for a lot of girls. Even 38mm may go but it'll probably look a bit bulky already.
Have you looked at Casio or Seiko 5? Bitches seem to like the SNK803.
>If the chinks put the same kind of effort in making original designs... Well actually they wouldn't make anything good, because all they know is to copy.
Truth. When it comes to rig and ship design, they still need European design companies to design for them. All they do otherwise is keep rehashing the same thing. Give 'em another 10 or 15 years and they might do better. Copy culture is a bit too big in China though.
Seiko 5s are really cheap looking in my opinion and the bracelets are trash. The SNK ones are also not dressy at all. I was thinking more like a 6R15-tier Seiko or something quartz but similarly good. It seems from the Seiko SAR Finder site that all the SAR* models are for men, though.
The Chinese could make decent watches if they wanted. The pre-market economy watches with the Chinese Standard Movement were pretty good for the time, I have a late 70's Baoshihua and there's nothing horrific about it. Too bad the standard movement is now only produced in the form of those horrible Ebay skeleton watches and shitty fake Rolexes.
The truth is fake chinkshit makes a better profit that original good-quality chink.
Nope. I liked that watch in particular, but it did not spur me on to liking watches at the time.
Hard to say exactly. At some point I asked myself, as many people do, why some watches, like Rolex, are so expensive. And while some people just answer their own question by assuming it's some sort of rich person's toy and based solely on brand names and precious metals, I learned about watches, decided I liked what I was hearing about different escapements and the use of silicon, the evolution of jewels in a watch and other parts of watchmaking and decided to get into it.
But really I also like all sorts of clock and watch stuff now. Actually, if not the Credor, I was about to buy an Atmos. And if any of you doing know about this clock, you need to for sure Google jlc Atmos clock, it's a really cool piece. But I'll put of the Atmos clock for now, I'll probably be moving soon an don't really want to move an Atmos. I've also been pretty interested to get a 3d printer for various things I want to make, and I'd also totally do one of the 3d printed clocks people have made with the 3d printed balance wheel.
How about you?
Ladies Amphibia then?
Or look around Casio or Timex. Their sub-$50 line has basically everything.
>And if any of you doing know
And if any of you do not know*
>i wild angry person appears
I think I've stated more than once here I haven't done much research. Just got back from a nice watch shop, and bantered with some old watch collector guy. Yeah, the watch might be worth $100 after all, I don't care though, it's a priceless family hand down to me! Have a nice day ~
Alright, I believe you anon.
>nice stylish square diver
>good conversation starter
>dressy Rolex is dressy
>bitches love Armani, goes well with anything Armani
7/10 overall, since you have neither DW, Skagen or Fossil.
My story is kinda off and on with watches. I guess my interest in horology first began when i was a child and always having an interest in my grandfathers grandfather clock and my great uncles clock too. Hence my love for movements and not for quartz. But later on i set my interests aside to take on education in computers etc but still being around watches such as my grandfather having 2 quartz Seiko's and my uncles Rolex if i remember rightly. But my interest in watches still remained aside.
Later on in life my friend decided to buy a watch and suggested for me to get a watch since he knew my application for complex design and engineering. I put it off for a while since i knew watch collecting would be an expensive thing to get into but none the less he convinced me to get into watches and my interest was restored again (not long ago, am still pretty new into watch collecting). I did have previous watches in the past but none of them were real expensive or serious watches. My first real watch that was a few months ago was a Hamilton Khaki Mechanical. I lurked a lot here to get advice and to see which movements were good or not and to see what kinds of watches am really interested in. I even unboxed the Khaki in /wt/ a while ago.
Ever since then I've been here a lot more and have came up with a list of mid to high tier watches i plan on saving for in the next couple of years or so. I guess thats how i gotten into the whole idea of watch collecting.
I actually took my Cellini Time back and swapped it for a Cellini Date .
Since he knew my appreciation for complex design*
And i did look up that clock NineBall and it reminds me of my uncles clock he had above his fireplace in his house. It's a nice clock.
>my friend suggested for me to get a watch since he knew my application for complex design and engineering.
I study maths/engineering and I showed the Seiko 5 i was wearing one day to a friend. He was like "k" then I told him to flip it around and he looked at it for like 5 minutes.
There's definitely something there. People who like engineering, problem solving etc. can appreciate the elegant way in which a watch movement solves the problem of keeping and telling time.
Quartz is ok, but not elegant or interesting. It's more or less perfectly solved.
Agree with you anon. I have a few friends i have shown watches to (online skeletons to display the movement and my Khaki) and even though it interests them, i don't think they're technically minded enough to appreciate such a beautiful yet complex design that go's into a time piece. A lot of people can take movements for neglect but realistically its one of the most amazing things to admire. Especially in today's day and age where everything is done with circuits and electricity.
Joke joke is r/watches are tasteless plebs, and only they would buy an abomination like that. Date subdials are really had to pull off, and that Rolex fails at it like 98% of all date subdial watches.
>It's a nice clock.
It's a damn nice clock. And a know a lot of the newbies doing know about it.
Google it, people!
What do people think about this watch?
$279 on massdrop.
No, you didn't. Anyway here's one of the few watches that does the date subdial right, the SARW-010. The 31 is a bit smaller than the 1 and far enough away, so they're clearly separate, it doesn't look like a bent 311. Also the subdial is at the 6 o'clock position, not at 3, where it makes the whole face unbalanced.
I can't imagine a suit or a belt that matches that abomination. Unless it's a clown suit and a suicide belt.
That would be the Timex Weekender, but that's not solar. Also that Casio seems like a new model, dig around to find either something similar or that watches predecessor.
>What, you think I bought a Rolex because it's a status symbol?
I don't, because you wouldn't have bought a lollini - no one buys those because no one's thirsty for those.
If you'd wanted a status symbol, you'd have best been served getting a sub, a date, or a day date.
Not some afterthought model forgotten by all.
>everything you just said
Pretending to be retarded?
>Literally the worst Rolex
Holy fucking shit, how did you manage not to get even a single worthwhile piece you goddamned moron?
I kinda like the Oysterquartz.
Was referring to abominations like pic related, that are targeted at Asian merchants and Arab oil sheikhs.
Maybe he suggests that these blinged up rolexes are worse
I'm angry about a lot of things, not just your horrible taste.
I also like firearms, video games, woodworking, motorsports, and yes, I get pissed off about shit with those too.
Post better looking desk diver
Pro tip: You can't
college poorfag here. got this watch as a christmas gift. it's decent as a daily watch, but i'm looking for a cheap (sub $100, ideally sub $50-60) analog watch as a more "dressier" watch. I've been looking at the timex weekender and the SNK803. any other opinions /g/?
Atmos is the brand name of a mechanical torsion pendulum clock manufactured by Jaeger-LeCoultre in Switzerland which does not need to be wound manually. It gets the energy it needs to run from temperature and atmospheric pressure changes in the environment, and can run for years without human intervention.
Oh wow. That's interesting. What's the accuracy on that?
How did you knooooooooow
You most should operate about about +-1 second per day or better from what I've gathered. Basically accurate enough where if you set the time while correcting for daylight savings you shouldn't need to do it outside of that.
Keep in mind it only oscillates twice a Minute. So most of your second-to-second inaccuracy is because you're waiting for the next tick
Post good watch vids
Hardmode: no grandmaster chime
i'll upload a proper pic when i have some spare time.
It is, bagelfreund
I got another model than I ordered so I got refunded. Still no idea what to do with this shit though.
A weekender on a leather strap would be acceptable for dressy situations, though.
And one on a NATO would be ok for a "preppy" look.
Unless you want mechanical, I'd just go with some Casio that looks nice. pic related, MTP 1235, though I'd personally pick leather over a bracelet
Sorry that it isn't to your liking, ma'am.
See what did I say, nobody could post anything better! :^)
>tfw waiting for my first slavshit in the mail and Ivan didn't even offer tracking
I'll maybe get some old soviet watches for free soon
Some home made stout with muh komandirskie.
Do they still make clocks with those spinning balls at the bottom? I've always wanted one but have no idea where they make them.
>tfw no slim and stacked young gf that could wear your Rolex
This watch belonged to my great grandfather, probably between 50 and 90 years old.
It's an "Orga Chronographie", 17 Rubis Incabloc, Ebauche Suisse
The wristband is a more recent Elegantia Fixo-Flex.
>her D size cup would magically disappear, trust me anon!
Its a great push up though
Previous message OP here.
On the back is written "Stainless Steel Back Antimagnetic". Over it is carved the last name of my great-grandfather (probably done with acid during world war two for identification if he got killed by the nazis - he was a French resistant).
So that wont help. It's a manual wind watch though (I honestly don't know much about watch, I just saw the thread pop on the front page and wanted to ask about that watch).
Right, but do they still make any new ones? (other than ones like the atmos that probably costs a billion bucks) From searching online all I can see are vintage clocks. I found some newer bulova clocks that are in that style but aren't really mechanical, just quartz and using a motor to drive the fake pendulum.
Might be a Venus movement if it's more then 45 years old. My guess would be a Venus 183 (Or 175 with date), or maybe an older 186. And unless you pop away the caseback we wouldn't know shit.
Though something bothers me about it, like the story has a piece of BS in it somewhere. I don't think it's anywhere more then 75 years old.
Alright, if you don't know about watches then maybe you shouldn't open it. But if you ever do you should find the movements manufacturer and caliber stamped in under the balance wheel. Like in pic, there's the ETA logo and 2892A2 for caliber.
You'd be surprised at how much one can restore a watch that looks like shit. Some of the seiko divers that they restore on ebay start out looking like lumps of rust.
I'm proud of you, anon.
Heirloom watches are the best.
I wasn't able to dig anything up after quick digging, but I'm sure there's information out there. You should take it to a watchmaker and have them check it out.
It's old, that's the only thing I know and I don't know anybody around where I live who could help me out. I won't risk opening it myself though.
I will come back to the thread if one day I get my hand on a pro.
My watch does look old and rusty indeed. I will look into that too. Thanks.
The Atmos ranges in price pretty significantly, while some are well over 20k because they are special edition of have more complications, others are around only 5k.
But to answer your question I'm not sure if anyone is making a clock like that still.
Opening it an taking a pic of the movement won't harm it too much unless you sneeze into it.
Plus i doubt it's in running order anyhow. Pop it open, take a pic and we could at least tell you what it's worth.
Also i'm rather positive that's a Venus movement, and the earlier twin register Venus chronos started appearing on the market in 1933.
VDV (Soviet/Russian paratroopers) dial Vostoks are kinda popular, mainly due to their color.
kind similar strap on my amphibia at the moment
did you buy yours from cheapestnatostraps?
I actually didn't particularly want black PVD buckles but it was on sale so
On the left, my 13 years old watch I got on my first communion. On the right, my new watch.
The back is rusty and there isn't an opening when I can securely try to lift it up withotu fearing to force-break it. I will wait for more pro eyes (and also I won't post the back of it due to obvious family name being written there).
Oris depth gauge
JLC grande reserve de marche
Basically not even alcohol but it does have a percentage on the side :^)
Crown and Buckle premium natos. I cut off the extra fabric flap to make them like a zulu style.
they're generally sold by the same places and at the end of the day, they're practically different versions of the same strap. and it is probably safe to assume that whoever came up with zulu straps did so based on natos
nato: more lightweight, smaller buckles, originated as a military strap
zulu: a fatter, more rugged version of nato originally made for military divers I believe
if you want to wear em like that, maybe you should just buy the "original nato" type straps sold by at least cheapestnatostraps
they come like that by default
>like a zulu style
also 5 ring zulus are still zulus, they have that "extra flap"
I bought some straps from cheapestnatostraps and they were kind of shit, crown and buckle feels nicer and looks better. I guess I could've bought a 3-ring instead but these are more common so it's easier to just buy one and cut it how I want it especially since I already had the straps anyway.
I did get it from cheapestnatostraps. Vintage brown PVD. Don't care for the PVD part, but it's a decent strap. I put it on my F-91W for shits and giggles.
I'm waiting on pic related in the mail.
Haha, I did the same once.
It almost somewhat fits due to the PVD.
...Seriously tho, I'm starting to feel like a sheep for having all the same stuff as other /g/ents :^)
yeah I bought it for jollys but after seeing what they were able to do with a fucking dollar I actually have some faith in it. I'll post it when I get it, ordered on dec.31 and it's estimated between january 19th - feb 22.
If I would have known the fake terrorist was going to be fine I would of bought 2 instead of these
Does anyone here have a watch tool kit and should i get one since i plan on purchasing a Vostok?
I have this exact kit, it's kinda shitty but it works okay if you superglue the parts together after they come apart
I'd recommend looking for a $50+ one if you want quality, all of the ones on amazon have been trash. You could also buy individual pieces as you need them, as those tend to be higher-quality as well
you don't really NEED one but it does help when something goes wrong or you need to swap out some straps
At most it'll he used for switching straps and taking off some links in a bracelet along with switching out bezels or changing the back display. I may consider changing a case on a Vostok but for now i have no plans to do so. I'm guess thing this kit should be able to do all those things to a decent quality?
This style of dial has "Railroad Approved" on the face. The movement in it is a 218 tuning fork movement.
My display caseback came in today.
Goodnight /wt/, i hope to see yall tomorrow. Love you all :3
>it'll he used for switching straps and taking off some links in a bracelet along with switching out bezels
those can be done with a knife, really, though a proper tool does make it more comfortable
> changing the back display
for that you do need a caseback opener (its a screwed-in type)
so in a way a whole toolset is sort of overkill (you could just buy a caseback opener and a spring bar tool but hey, why not? just see that the set does include those tools, which I would assume every kit does
what do people think of the Alpinist? It looks fairly unique, though I think I would never use the compass.
I see what you're getting at anon. I'll do some research and find how much them two tools are worth together (ones that are in good quality) and i may also pickup a knife that comes with the kit just so i worry less about scratching the case or bezel with the serrations on a normal knife. I'll just compare quality to buying some cheap shit with other provided supplies.
Also do you think i should get a case holder ? Or is it an unessasery item for what I'll be doing?
That's actually what I'm waiting for >>52678011
Got it with that Hadley Roma strap that other anon has his with. Seeing it on that strap is what pushed me to get it.
Good night anon!
On topic, does anybody else here wear their watch while sleeping? I have a rubber strap for my PAM homage and the ticking is very loud and soothing so its essy to fall asleep with it srs. Wish it came with an alarm function though, but few mechanicals do...
>mfw my package has been bouncing around for a few days at the same postalcode
Usually. Not as a rule, but most nights I just forget to take it off, really. If I decide to take a shower in the evening rather than the morning, I don't like, put it back on my wrist before heading to bed.
Yes. I always wake up an hour before my alarm goes off and I check my watch to make sure of the time and then I doze off to sleep again. Repeat every 15 minutes until I finally have to wake up.
>watching hannibal s3
>blind female character
>wears a wristwatch
can't tell if it maybe is one of those watches for the blind, tho. but if I was making a show, I'd either make that really obvious or jus leave the watch out, it just seems weird now
Anyone else on the /smart watch/ bandwagon yet? Thinking about picking up a moto 360 as well pretty soon.
How's readability in sunlight and battery life?
Get a pebble time steel instead
Because I like variety.
This has been off a charge since 8:30a.m. It's now 8:00p.m. and the battery is still good to go. Took a few phone calls on it and played around with it a little on my down time but todays use was pretty light compared to most days. I have no problem getting a full day out of it and the lowest I've seen the battery get with heavy usage in a 12 hour period is 27%
visibility is great in all scenarios but I can only speak for the Ion-X glass on the sport model. I feel as if the sapphire crystal would cause quite a bit of dimming which could be a problem in direct sunlight.
I've thought about the pebble time steel but I'm really drawn to the more traditional form factor of the moto 360.
I'm surprised that Apple put legit sapphire crystals on those watches.
why? they don't usually exactly skimp on case materials or anything that affects the look and feel of their products, that is how they sell, by giving a feeling of "luxury" (unless you want to remember those old-ass plastic macbooks and such)
(I'm no fanboy but I'm also no anti-fanboy)
This. I've become a macfag over the years but I wouldn't call myself a fanboy by any means. I used both windows and mac and I've had android and iOS devices too. They all have their pros and cons and I just tend to prefer apple products. It all boils down to personal preference.
all of that being said, apple does tend to use extremely high quality materials in their products and the fit and finish of all of their products is second to none. Design ,materials, and physical construction is something they rarely skimp on.
Tag Heuer Formula 1
Tudor Oysterdate, good luck finding one on ebay that isn't a retarded price though just because the caseback has that infamous crown logo. Rolex collectors ruin everything, even Tudor.
Also I think it's funny that my favorite Datejusts are made by Tudor and Seiko rather than Rolex themselves. For some reason I love all sorts of homages but the original itself just doesn't do it for me. And don't even get me started on the fucking Datejust II.
Glad I was able to grab one from the last batch.
I already posted this in /sqt/ but I might as well ask the watch snobs of /g/ too.
Is there anything inherently bad about buying a used watch?
I'm not buying it for collectors purposes, but to wear as something nicer than the Suunto Ambit and the Bulova "hack" watch I have now.
I can get the same ~$200 watch for less than $100 if I buy pre-owned.
And since I've been told that anything that isn't stainless/silver will chip away and looks shoddy after wearing it for a while.
>And since I've been told that anything that isn't stainless/silver will chip away and looks shoddy after wearing it for a while.
Yes, cheap PVD will inevitably wear and look shit. Apparently the coating damasko uses is durable enough, but then those aren't $100 watches.
If you're buying something above 500 dollars, yes
otherwise you can always get it taken to a watchmaker if you're skeptical and then rescind payment
there's a reason all rolex watches come with a certificate and a number
Unfortunately I don't make enough money to invest in a time piece as much as I am buying a watch to wear.
It's a shame that I have an eye for two-tone watches without the funds to buy something that will last.
Fair enough. The Seiko I have in mind is probably safe from forgeries then.
But anon that's a day-date. It's almost the same thing but with an uglier bracelet and a day display.
I like the engine turned bezel less than the fluted one, actually. The 15200 is definitely a nice one though, but that one is basically almost exactly like the Oysterdate and it's pretty hard to justify the price difference other than "muh in-house" and the chronometer certification. But I guess when you get into that argument it's pretty hard to justify any watch at all.
OP here, YEEE SON WE SPACEVU NOW
put a battery in today and slapped a leather band on it while i wait for an original band off ebay to arrive.
Was just hanging out at friends place tonight (all of us very /k/) and one buddy showed me this sweet piece. Not just any P-09, but some special one of 125 or 150 made something or other. Neat. Thought it was a good opportunity to snap a pic of my Accutron. If it's any cancellation, my first piece was a CZ-75c year back.
>tfw when you have two watches incoming
>tfw when you have another watch outgoing
If you're there anon, i'll ship your Poljot on either Sunday or Monday, whenever those lazy bums at the post office decide to work.
how can you stand wearing a literal 1:1 copy of a rolex. don't you have rich friends who give you shit for wearing a copycat?
wearing a replica is probably less embarrassing
Its not mine. I have a rolex so shut up.
I don't pat often but I picked up this Casio a159w for 15$ and I was wondering if its a fake?