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>Requesting purchase advice:
http://pastebin.com/hjHkKDyM

>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Headphones

>Previous thread: >>52619043
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Nothing beats Koss Portapro or Xiaomi Pistons on price to performance ratio.
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>>52636919
I agree
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>>52636879
For next time, remember the post limit is 310 posts on /g/, not 300.
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>>52637002

Ok.
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>>52636879

Hello everybody.
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Ay
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Is a Q1 a good amp/DAC? I have kind of a shitty mobo and I always plugged my DT770 straight into the jack.
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>>52637402
9/10
Great for running and exercise shit, but they get a little loose pretty easily when running. I have tried the other size earbuds, but maybe I just have weird earholes.
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>>52637474
If you liked the sound from your mobo. It won't change that much as your mobo can drive your headphone.
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>>52637527
Well I ordered a K612 recently also and since it's over a hundred ohms I figured the amp was necessary
Well I guess I'll see. Thank based amazon prime for getting literally everything I order to me in like 2 days
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>>52637499
>Great for running and exercise shit
>but they get loose pretty easily

Which one?
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>>52637499
>Great for running and exercise shit
>y get a little loose pretty easily when running

This is the one thing they are not supposed to do.
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i want to get a pair of headphones since my headset is pretty much breaking down and i don't want a pair with a built in microphone, so im getting a pair of headphones with a standalone mic

comfort is a major thing since it's not unheard of for me to sit for 10 hours straight, if work allows it, since it's also going to mainly be used for gaming so is music quality not the highest priority (but i don't want something that sounds like absolute shit) as long as it delivers a crisp and clear sound, i also want them to be pretty sturdy, something that i can expect to last atleast a few years.


>Budget
around 60-70 bucks
something about 500-600 sek
>Location
sweden
>Preferred type of headphone
full size
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
high
>Preferred music
folkmetal; korpiklaani, equilibriumm, finntroll, etc
>Past headphones
Siberia v2 x2


TL;DR - comfort and bang for my buck, pretty much
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So I ended up trying the HD 558 and the k612 back to back and I *massively* preferred the k612s. Simultaneously better bass and less recessed mids and highs.

I always thought I preferred warm sound signatures, guess not.
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>>52637402
Really garbage mids and overblown bass. Pisstons sound better even thought they are one of the most V shaped iems.
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>>52637411
Impressive, very nice
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>>52637764
>I always thought I preferred warm sound signatures, guess not.

but k612 is more warm than 558 so you do like it
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>>52637851

The hell? From what I read the k612s were described as more neutral verging on slightly bright compared to the HD 558.

Maybe its just the "vielheiser" effect, but the HD 558s sounded muddy, with obviously recessed mids and highs compared to the k612, which also seems to have more bass to boot.

As I noted when i requested purchase advice, I've previously used IEMs exclusively and currently have Westone W20s for portable use 9which I enjoy immensely incidentally).
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>>52637767
What if I have non autistic ears?
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Does anyone have a Meizu hd50? I want confirmation on whether the cushions go on or around the ear.
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grado sr80e vs sr125e vs sr225e?
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>>52637948
>>52637764
Yes you're right, K612 are usually described as bright compared to the HD558. Now you know that a slightly enhanced treble isn't necessarily worse than a recessed treble, like Sennshills mostly say when they call their headphones "natural-sounding", compared to the "horrible artificial-sounding" AKG.
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>>52638314
Doubt you will be finding Grado opinions here except in the negative. Go elsewhere, really.
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I like this
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anyone tried modding their hd650s?
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>>52638419
> inb4 enjoy your unnatural mids and your ear-piercing treble
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>>52638378
whats wrong with them? MKBHD said it was top tier
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>>52638542
>Le Uncle Tom negro said so
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Are the Sony XB10000 as comfy as they look?
Looks like pillows desu senpaitachi and I like that
Any decent alternatives? I heard they're all discontinued
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>>52638592
>intolerance
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>>52638700
Racism aside Nigger Jamal's opinions are fucking shit.
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i've been wanting to learn more about the k702's cause all the good things i keep hearing about them but i can't find them on my shitass country. what's some other good shit on the same ballpark?
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>>52638765
HD600 and DT880
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>>52638729
Citation Needed. He steered me right on the m50x.
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>>52638863
>m50x
>steered right

citation given.
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>>52638765
> He steered me right on the m50x.
> Citation needed
shieeet nigga is yous deaf
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>>52638889
>hates good headphones that even Lachlan from LachlanLikesAThing says are pleasant

top lel
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>>52636919
A lot of headphones do actually. Pistons are good if you get them for $16 but kpp are flat out shit and not worth getting. It's better to pay slightly more for actually good headphones. Unless nigger bass is your idea of good sounding headphones.
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>>52638927
M50x is just considered overrated since it's recommended so much (which caused it to be overpriced) and is very bassy.
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>>52638977
it has a pleasant sound, plus the bass gets greatly reduced with the hm5 pads
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>>52637422
imbaracing except buckethead
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>>52638927
>studio monitors
>bassy as fuck
>muh subjective jewtube reviews!
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>>52639025
change the stock pads out and get brainwavz pads pls
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>>52639041
why would I buy a £100 headphone when I own HD600s?
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>>52639007
Yes, M50x is still commonly recommended in its price range if you want bassy without the DT770 treble, but it needs replacement pads to be comfy. The thing is that the previous M50 was a much better value proposition when you could find it for $90 competing with the V6.
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>>52638765
K612 Pro, HD558, HD600, DT880 250 ohm.
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I listen to Death Grips, Björk and hippie music through Apple headphones when I'm bored. I have the physical CD's I don't like .mp3's or .mp etc that aren't lossless formats. Great sound over Bluetooth too, and owning the disc is cool.
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>>52638977
>pleb can't into equalizer, buys Beats for $200
>people buy audio equipment for vanity
>"they're the best headphones I've ever used"
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>>52638675
I have the XB700. ''V'' sound (a lot of bass and treble)
>Are the Sony XB10000 as comfy as they look
yeah but not ultra
>I heard they're all discontinued
The new XB 400/600/800 are wost than the old XB 300/700/1000. Sony want make more money.
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>>52637499
I've heard this as well, but I have never had this issue. I believe that people who say this don't make the proper adjustments so that the headphones stay snug

That said the cushiony part gets pretty dirty, so I recommend cleaning once a week or so
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>>52639256
>I don't like .mp3's or .mp etc that aren't lossless formats
why
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>>52639256
P L A C E B O
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>>52637527
>It won't change that much as your mobo can drive your headphone.

Getting a bit sick of hearing this. My mobo makes my headphones sound muffled and overly bassy.
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>>52640130
That depends entirely on the mobo and the implementation of the audio codec there. Impossible to generalize in either way.

>>52637581
>Well I ordered a K612 recently also and since it's over a hundred ohms I figured the amp was necessary
It does work like that but K612 is fairly insensitive so an amplifier is recommended in most cases.
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>>52637965
Then you are def.
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>>52636879

hey /hpg/

list these in easiest to drive order and most fitting for large orchestral music and male voices.

AKG K702
Sennheiser HD558
Beyerdynamic DT-880
ATH AD700X
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>>52638863
>>52638927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I03zd2H-Fno

Just a reminder M50x are meme tier garbage parroted by people who've only heard garbage and were recommended the m50xs.
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It's been a month and Philips still hasn't called me back to let me know they've got some new shp-9500s in stock so I can get a replacement.
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>>52640270
From easiest to drive to the hardest to drive:

AD700X
HD 558
DT 880(250 Ohm)
AKG K702
DT 880(600 Ohm)

Any of them will do. HD 558 is closest to a diffuse field target and has the smoothest response. DT880 and K702 are both bright headphones but in a different way. AD700X is very bass light hence it too might also sound a bit bright.
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>>52640270
For classical and easier to drive, the ATH-AD700x would easily be the best out of that bunch.

702 and DT880 are harder to drive, 558 is somewhat easier but like many Senns has an impedance spike that may make the bass sound bloated with a bad source.
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I got a reply from Beyerdynamic.

>Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht.
>Ich habe mir jetzt sämtliche Explosionszeichnungen von unseren Ohrpolstern angeschaut. Die größten runden Ohrpolster haben einen Innendurchmesser von 62mm. Das einzige was für Ihre Ohren wahrscheinlich passend wäre, wäre ein Hörer der DT 100 Serie. Diese haben Ovale Ohrpolster.

>Thank you for you message.
>I took a look at all exploded drawings of our ear pieces. The largest round ones have an inner diameter of 62mm. The only thing that might fit your ears are headphones of the DT100 series, which have oval ear pieces.

My ears are 64mm long. Google tells me that is exactly how long the average male ear is.
The inner diameter of the ear pieces of my DT880 measure ~60mm.

What the fuck were they thinking? How is it a smart idea to make ear pieces that less than half of the male audience can comfortably wear, while the majority has the sitting press on the top and/or tip of the ear, which is just fucking uncomfortable.

Unfortunately, these cans are going back.
What's the next alternative?

>Budget
150-500
>Location
Germany
>Source
FiiO E10K
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-size, preferably large enough to fit average sized ears.
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
High. Please no fluffy ear pieces. They make my head feel like it's cooking slowly.
>Preferred tonal balance
Meticulously neutral, clear; I'd take colder over warmer
>Preferred music
jcore, melodic electronic music
>Past headphones
HD558 > painfully uncomfortable, sounded dull
DT880 > (not painfully) uncomfortable

I guess the next step would be the K702 or K712. How do they differ?
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tfw I think my headphones are giving me a bald spot
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>>52638419
>Emancipator and Nujabes

You would be a chill bro but your waifu is meh.
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Does anyone have a good eq setting in vlc to de-trebleize my DT990's.

If this sounds like bait it's not.

I don't keep up with hpg anymore but I know you guys are massive memesters.
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>>52640441
K702, the K712 is colored garbage
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2k euros for this:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/PioneerSEMaster1.pdf

Is the SE Master moron here?
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>>52640441
Maybe HE400i.
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In which situations/setups you need an amp?
I heard it's a meme but not sure. I have an iPod Touch 6 as my main music source to power my K550's while inside and HD 7 DJ while outside
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RHA MA750 or Yamaha EP-100? Mostly listen to to hiphop and have a very flexible budget. I only want IEMs as I have X2s for when im at home.
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>>52640441
Either is good. I have the K702 at the moment.
I may pick up a pair of K712 or K7xx though.

Ignore the shitposts.
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>UnboxTherapy video about a tube amp
>Top level comment says that tube amps have no effect on a digital source
>700+ thumbs up

Jesus Christ.
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>>52640486
More like SE Master race
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Asking again because I didn't get an answer last thread; is it worth getting an amp for my HD600s? Just powering them via a Xonar DGX right now, but I hear the HD600s benefit massively from good amping.
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>>52640746
ive watched that one video where he has a chink tube amp and uses some sennheiser dj headphones with it. everything about that video and comments were pain.
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>>52640727
> L-shaped plugs on the EP-100
I may be a bit biased because I dislike IEMs but L shaped shit in portable headphones is just asking for cable failures.
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>>52640798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kUfQar4F28

This?
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>>52640771
It's a big diminishing return for the money. Schiit stack Ubers or an O2/odac will be around $300 each.

I came from on board audio ALC1150 and it made a difference for me. Different headphones then you though.

The placebo alone may be worth it. I don't mean that as a negative either. If you feel your current gear is limiting you then something like that will fix it.
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>>52640486
Listen to them with the U-05 amp/DAC, they're a match made in heaven.
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>>52640746
Does jdslabs engrave cases now? I have an og o2amp...
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>>52640854
Yep.

http://blog.jdslabs.com/?p=926
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>>52640771
If it's loud enough and you're satisfied don't bother unless you really want peace of mind.

I believe the DGX has 10ohm output impedance which is not ideal for low imp phones but the HD600 has a high enough impedance not to worry about that.
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>>52640824
Yes.

>>52640771
Amplifier/DAC checklist:

-Is it too quiet?
-Is the output impedance too high (fixable by equalization)?
-Is there noise/EMI or hiss to it?
-Does it sound distorted as you start to crank up the volume?
If the answer is no, don't get one.

Now, I personally did get O2+ODAC combo unit for the HD 650s but that was mostly for a peace of mind. They were loud enough without it and sounded great but I just wanted to make sure I am driving them sufficiently as well as have a unit that is discrete so I can drive any headphones or in-ears and not worry about the quality of whatever device I am driving them with.

>>52640848
That measurement is too shitty for me to believe it. Pairing is a meme anyway.
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>>52640868
Fuck. It such a bitch to take mine apart. I upgraded to a 1/4 jack and power and rca in the back.
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Is buying nice headphones and an amp worth it if i'm just going to listen to oldschool happy hardcore?
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>>52641018
Up to you.
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>>52637411
Nice.
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So in case anyone is wondering, a first generation FIIO X5 doesn't appear to have any trouble driving k612s on the high gain setting.

They are as loud as I'd like at 65% of max volume and don't sound any better amped through a FIIO e17 i had lying around.
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>>52640844
>>52640880
>>52640902
So basically the whole "amps improve SQ" is just a headfi meme, and external amp/dacs are only required for volume or to get rid of noise?
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>>52640614
I like the reviews I read about them, but I'm not quite convinced yet they're worth the extra 300 Euro over the K702.
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>>52641522
>only required for volume or to get rid of noise?
That's SQ though. There are also amplifiers intentionally designed to color the sound by distortion and/or output impedance.

But yes an audio amplifier is just that; a device to amplify the signal in order to get sufficient volume in listening. A good amplifier does that without distorting, adding noise and while having a suitable output to drive a load like headphones or speakers.
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>>52641522
A quality amp/dac like the ones I said earlier will be better for the THD than anything that's in a computer. Whether on board audio or sound card.

What it comes down to is if it's an improvement to you.

>>52641539
They go on sale sometimes. No idea about in Europe though.

The AKGs get a lot of hate here simply because some weeabs own them. Great headphones.
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>>52641638
>That's SQ though

I hear people saying good amps "tighten up the bass" or "widen the soundstage" and a host of other shit. Is that true, or do amps only increase volume?
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>>52641673
An under powered driver can have all sorts of problems. At the same time just because you deliver more power to the driver doesn't mean it'll be better.

It's all part of a chain.
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>>52637648
Encore Rockmaster OE. New headphones that probably top everything in budget closed headphones category, including pro80. Detachable cable, pretty comfortable, swapable pads. Swap leather-like pads for included cloth pads, more comfortable and don't ruin sound. And buy some cable for it, stock one is only 1m long and kinda blows.
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Well fuck.... I really wanted to get high quality IEM's but apparently my right ear canal is fucked. All the IEM's i try just keeps falling out of my right ear...(yet they all fit perfectly in my left.) I've tried the ones with the hook around the ear, and the ones with the little hook in the ear. And I've just ordered some cheap ones with the "triple flange" tips in hopes that, that shit fits properly.
Is there anything else I can try??
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So how about those Fostex headphones on Massive Drop right now? Does the price mean they are really next-level audiophile stuff compared to what is usually talked about here?
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>>52642089
You need some custom IEMs. You get an ear mold at an ear doctor and send it off, then they make an IEM tailored specifically for your ears. They're quite expensive though, at least $300 for the entry-level models, but they're all balanced armature designs so great sound quality.

Some examples are 1964ears and Jerry Harvey Audio.
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>>52642141
yes
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>>52641673
>I hear people saying good amps "tighten up the bass"
Damping of the transducer is a thing although its usually just poor voltage division causing problems with frequency response which leads people thinking "tighter bass response" instead of the source's inability to control the transducer.

Amplifiers and DACs affecting the soundstage is complete bs.

Amplifiers can alter the response but their main purpose is just to increase volume and do that cleanly. A dedicated headphone amplifier should also be quiet like you mentioned earlier, not exhibit any kind of audible distortion regardless of load or volume setting and generally have a potentiometer to adjust volume using voltage gain.

>>52642141
>next-level audiophile stuff
No such thing in this market really, especially not if you are thinking quality scales up with price. TH-x00 or whatever seems like a solid bassy closed headphone though.

>>52642174
>but they're all balanced armature designs so great sound quality.
There really isn't a correlation with sound quality and BA drivers and especially not with SQ and cIEMs.
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>>52642089
foam tips. squeeze em, shove em in, enjoy.
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>>52641642
I'll go with the K702 then.
If I dislike anything about them I can still send them back and get the HE400I.
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>>52642226
BA drivers are definitely more detailed than dynamics. Source: I owned RE400s and IM02s and the IM02s are definitely more detailed. They're also colder/more sterile and suck the life out of the music too though.
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>>52642226
So then what does scale up with price?
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>>52642882
Stupidly and ridiculousness.
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Anyone here have any experience with high-end headphones? I have Audeze's LCD-2 model but am using Schiit's Modi 2 + Vali for a DAC/Amp combo. (Was referred to Schiit by a knowledgeable individual)

Everything sounds great, and I've been largely impressed with the quality of sound for the price paid on the DAC/Amp. That being said, is there a DAC/Amp combo that's blatantly better? I'd like to be getting the best sound possible from these.
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>>52643053
how's your neck doing?
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>>52643053
you have far more money than audio knowledge. your setup cannot really get better, especially if you already like it.
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>not owning 650s
Recommend me a good tube amp less than $400 preferably.
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>>52643098
why are you making sennshills look bad by wanting a tube amp? dont you understand they have a reputation to maintain?
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>>52643119
I hear a lot about tubes pairing well with the 650s. I can always compromise and get the Asguard which is basically a solid state sound tube amp.
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>>52642702
Listing products you have owned or used is evidence of absolutely nothing. That's all just frequency response and distortion and nothing you can generalize for a transducer type used. RE-400 is a dark sounding IEM which definitely will make it sound less detailed. The most detailed/neutral IEMs do use BA drivers but there are a ton of BA driver IEMs with terrible performance. Many CIEMs for example. Especially those with huge amount of drivers stuffed in.

>>52642882
There is no correlation with price and sound quality once you get past the extreme budget options. The best performing gear does cost but at the same time there is a plethora of poor products above and below their prices.

>>52643053
Yeah Magni or O2 for starters.

>>52643148
Where did you read that nonsense?
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>Budget
$30-$100
>Location
US
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-Sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Med
>Preferred tonal balance
Bassy
>Preferred music
Static X, Fear Factory
>Past headphones
Razer Kraken(Current)
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>>52643191
>]various headphone related subreddits and forums...
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>>52643241
There's more than one subreddit for headphones?
I only know /r/heapdhones but that shit is even worse than /hpg/
> LOOK AT MAH HEADPHONES GUYS XDXD
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>>52643279
r/audiophile and r/headphones

Also, take some time to view my other headphones

Left to right: Senn 558, Senn 500A, M50x (meme), HyperFag Cloud IIs, SR80e
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>>52643200
xpt100
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>>52643351
audiophile is for general audio equipment discussion, /r/headphones is for pictures of headphones
I take it there's nothing better?
head-fi is full of shill mostly in disguise as well
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>>52643241
well, there is no "matching." and tube amps are deprecated hardware that cause needless harmonic distortions of the 2nd order. of course, modern tube amps have really been able to tone it back, but theres no point in having one. you want a clean signal, and any tonal preference you have should be done with software eq, properly pre-amped. anything beyond that can be done with DSP
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>>52643446
Imma go with your advice, friendo. Solid state it is.
>>52643417
I lost respect for head-fi when they started shilling beats and bose.
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>>52643503
you have no amp at all for you 650? a shame. look into the objective 2, definitely what you should consider.
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Don't know if this is the right place to post but ill do it anyway. I sent my koss headphones in since they broke and they have a lifetime warrenty. But i think they got lost in the mail. And i lost my receipt. So is there any way that USPS can prove that i did ship it to koss. I paid with a debit car if that helps.
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>>52642882
Once you get past the absolute pauper ranges, it looses any sort of close relation to sound. It only gets worse if you invoke free digital EQ.
Loudspeakers can be bit different, but then again, the biggest expenses you would pay for are in SPL and bass extension in one cabinet, which you can cheat with subs.

>>52643446
>that cause needless harmonic distortions of the 2nd order
Really, it is distortions of all types and order.
>modern tube amps have really been able to tone it back
In terms of distortion, the best designs were adequate in the 70's, if you forgive things like limited power capability or potentially weird FR.
>anything beyond that can be done with DSP
I would not know of any widespread motivation in the industry to do this. There is the deliberation emulation of gross non-linearity (distortion) from tube amps, synthesizers, and other gear as a musical choice, and the alternate drive to "wire with gain" for loudspeakers and reference use.
There is general difficulty in digitally emulating the highly distorted guitar amps well enough to sound identical, but the effect in a guitar amp is more more complicated and intricate than any circuit intended for reproduction. At least on paper, these effects could more easily be adapted to serve distortion simulation of consumer valve amps.
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Sennheiser Momentum any good?
What's the reason for their price being so god damned high?
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>>52643997
1 or 2?
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>>52643931
Can't you retrieve the transaction info from the card purchase history?

>>52643997
Eh, original or the 2? Original pads are pretty damn small, they both have a warm/dark/treble reduced sound to them?
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>>52644091
2.0 over ear
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>>52644144
why? theyre trash
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>>52644164
Just wondering if they're anything special. I like the "handmade" look they have going with the sewn headband and all but they're 300 fucking dollarydoos
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>>52644183
theyre nothing remarkable at all sq wise. just fill out the form
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>>52643997
They're good, but not $300 good.
https://youtu.be/iAwU_aScYK4
Get them on sale or get MSR7s.
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Saw the pastebin.

>Budget
<$100
Hard limit really. I’d have a hard time justifying a higher price than $100.

>Location
USA

>Source
Desktop Computer, Standard Headphone Input

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-Sized, Over-Ear.

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
I would like them to not bother me at all wearing them for many hours at one time.

>Preferred tonal balance
I wish I knew for sure, but I tend to prefer bass over treble.

>Preferred music
Ambient, Electronic

>Past headphones
Nothing Special. Uncomfortable On-Ear Headphones.
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>>52644293
XPT100.
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>>52644293
xpt100
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>>52644305
>>52644308
>>52643416
I sure hope this isn't a meme!
Thank you, I'll check them out.
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>>52644365
All headphones are a meme
Had you come a year ago you would get M50x, half year ago AKG weebshit or a few weeks ago Byerdinamic shit.
Who knows what the new hot dank meme headphones will be in a month
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>>52644365
so youre basically mad that the world doesnt hold still for you forever?
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>>52644471
>the everything is a meme meme
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>>52644493
I'm not mad at all!
>>52644471
>>52644537
Well, I mean, everything repeated is a meme by definition. Meme is a very broadly reaching definition. "Women are a meme" is true, they have been repeated many times through birth. Same goes for men. Same goes for certain personality types and oh you could go on and on and never finish listing all the memes of our apparent reality.
Dinosaurs as a currently living organism is a dead meme. But not really because all present day birds are thought to be the only known living ancestors of that period! Fantastic!

I suppose my best course of action would be to try some on in a store. I do appreciate your input and the price of the recommendation is very reasonable.
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What does anyone think of the Sony MDR-7506?

http://www.cnet.com/products/sony-mdr-7506/
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>>52643983
>>52643191
So the most expensive headphones aren't "better" after a certain point, but more unique or varied?
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DAILY REMINDER THAT ONLY KEKS OWN GRADOS
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>>52643997
because sennheiser is overpriced shit?
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>>52644674
Great.

>>52644715
To put it nicely yes.
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Hi hello why isn't this guide in the OP anymore?
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>>52640441
If you can get a Stax lambda of any kind, the cups are HUEG. Inside of my normal bias measure 40x80mm. They also apply just about zero pressure to your head. You might be able to get it in your price range if you look for used. Maybe.
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>>52644715
>but more unique or varied?
Yes.
It is also whitewashing how many are just bad and pricey.

There are more small vendors that try to break into the market with unique products at the higher end. They tend to lack economies of scale, even if by choice, and don't have as much ability to drive prices down. Higher prices would need to be justified by luxurious presentation and other unique values they can assert, which is niche a small outfit can squeeze itself into.

This assumes that there is a rational mindset to the consumer, instead of just pointing to the most expensive things labeled flagships and buying them, which is very much a thing.
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I'm buying a gift, so I'll be answering these for him. It will be mainly used for gaming/recording/video editing.

>Budget
<$60, somewhat flexible

>Location
US

>Source
PC

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
Open

>Comfort level
Good enough for hours of use on a bald head

>Preferred tonal balance
(skip)

>Preferred music
Gorillaz, Blackmill, Ratatat, 80's pop

>Past headphones
He really liked the HD202 I got for him 4 years ago, currently has Beats Studio (they're ehh, which is why I'm in this thread)
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>>52645520
do whatever you can to get some hd558. its worth it
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>>52645520
AKG K240

>>52645575
stop recommending that veiled garbage
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>>52645575
sennshill faggot go back to fucking reddit
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>>52644293
AKG K92
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>>52645633
>>52645691
lol, jesus you guys. the k240 is fine too, i dont have a problem with that rec. i have more of a problem with your aggression toward an entire brand, which is pretty silly. not that you care
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>>52645713
its veiled, i wouldn't recommend veiled shit to anyone
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>>52640339
Weren't they discontinued?
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>>52645767
i mean, based on their measurements, by all means they should both sound veiled (if at all), but the 240 actually sounding more veiled, as its mid treble is even lower until about 8k, where the 240 is higher, and then theyre pretty much the same from 9-10k. perhaps the veiled sound comes from the 558s later rise to 3.5k?
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>>52645807
I thought the K240 are basically overpriced Superluxes at this point since China did its thing and made a decent knockoff for a lower price.

The 558 is a tier up but obviously not available at ~$60, and it's not really worth breaking the budget to get it anyway.
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>>52645807
Sennshills fuck off your veiled headphones are shit just deal with it
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>>52645860
in comparison to both the k240 and 558, the 681s are going to be very bright. on top of that though, the 681 are called semi open, but they leak almost no sound... theyre virtually closed. that said, they are very very good for their low cost. but i would not buy them if you are sensitive to treble.
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>>52645888
im trying to have a reasonable conversation with you, but you just come back with fuck off all the time. why dont you help me figure out what makes the senns veiled? do you not understand the science?
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>>52645904
>superlux
>good
pick one
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>>52645924
>trying to have a reasonable conversation with fanboy brand warrior

Just don't.
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>>52645860
>$50
>overpriced
stop being a poorfag then
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http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/PioneerSEMaster1.pdf

>that bass distortion
>that treble
k e k
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>>52645935
>>52645924
>sennshills
>reasonable
no just no
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>>52645795
I thought so but the customer service rep told me they're still in production.

Maybe not for American the market though, since I heard they're still selling them in china, and saw the Netherlands shp 9500 page was still up on the Philips site when I was using my vpn.

I just hope they come through, and soon.
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>>52645950
>fr charts
get out
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>>52645968
go away akg weeaboo
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>>52645978
go away fr autist
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>>52645959
>>52645978
Fuck off with your brand wars.

Jesus Christ.
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>>52645926
for their cost, they are phenomenal. and im speaking about the 681 here, not superlux in general. can you people read at all?

>>52645935
its not just that theyre a warrior for a brand, but it seems that humans' tendency to find patterns simply results in a natural bias to lay claim that brands are simply bad, ok, or good. i dont think some of the people here are even -capable- of breaking free from it. us higher iq people discuss actual models, and the brand, transducer type, etc do not matter.

>>52645959
how am i not being reasonable? youre literally just saying "fuck off" over and over. im pretty sure no one in any field would call this reasonable. and by the way, im not admitting to being a sennshill by replying. i simply know that youre talking about me, because im the one thats presently recommending a product that happens to be from sennheiser. i guess being poor just increases the likelihood to display animosity toward those that dont speak for your brand, which lines up with the lower iq's likelihood to fight for or against specific brands in the first place, as i defined earlier with pattern recognition.

this is all pretty easily identifiable imo
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>>52645990
sennshills need to fuck off
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>>52645950
oh lord, this is really bad. this is a massive failure as a high end headphone
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>>52646011
sennshills lol
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>>52646022
You are the most defensive brand fanboy I've seen in a while.

Then again I don't go on the Apple vs. Android shitfests on /g/.
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>>52646041
>>52646011
>sennshills projecting this hard
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>tfw
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>>52646032
>>52646068
its not like i expected a different response from you; im not really talking to you guys. im speaking to anyone that can actually understand what im saying

anyway, carry on friends
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>>52646068
>lurk the thread a bit
>call out your shitposting
>somehow I'm a shill for your favorite enemy brand

Can you go back to /v/? You would fit in with the children over there arguing about their manchildren consoles.
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>>52646096
>>52646081
>>52646041
>>52646041
Do you fags shill for nvidia too?
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I got a pair of the active noise-cancelling Monster Inspirations for a gift, 2 Christmases ago. The housing is beginning to crack, and I've had to replace the cable because the left channel blew out, but everything else is still factory fresh.


I'm a regular anon who uses them for audiobooks/TMBG-style music on the bus, and for stealth-fapping when the roommates are home. I've recently come into about $3000 CAD - more or less $2100 in USD right now. (Fuck, the exchange rate is bad. $2,123.67.)

Is there anything on the market that will blow these out of the water? Price is not really a concern right now, I plan to kill myself if I ever get fired from my online customer-service eCare wageslave job. Thanks for the help.
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>>52646096
>>52646081
No one here wants your shitty redditphones here
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>>52646130
AKG K702 and a O2+ODAC
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>>52646130
Sennheiser HD600 and a O2+ODAC
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>>52646130
More deets.

Budget: Flexible, ~$2000 USD but would be nice to save some.

Location: Canada

Source: PCs, Android phone (Note 3)

Preferred type: Headphones, open to top-quality IEMs

Open or Closed: Closed.

Comfort Level: If it loses 1 point in comfort, quality points better go up by 2. Comfort is a priority for long wearing times.

Preferred tonal balance: Warm/Neutral
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>>52646114
>yfw kucked by sennheiser and nvidia
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Plan to buy another pair of headphones soon. K712s still made in Austria?

How have recent runs of HD600/650s been? Still issues with driver matching?
>>52646080
I know that feel.

>>52646130
AKG 702 or HD600 with a Schiit stack.
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>>52646114
No because I am not a sad manchild who stakes this much of my identity on attacking and defending corporate brands on the internet.

Like most brand warriors you probably paid to do this, which is even worse than doing it for free. Who gives a shit, it's just headphones. Find better things to care about.
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>>52646166
>>>/reddit/
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>>52646130
Sennheiser HD650 and a Schiit Stack or O2+ODAC. Don't listen to these AKG weebs and anti-Senn fags
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>>52646185
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>>52646189
>needing bass for audio books and porn
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>>52646185
Sennheiser a shit, AKG K712 is colored shit, just stick with a K702
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>>52646169
>$2000 Budget
>Closed back
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>>52646189
>>52646185
>>52646166
>>52646146

Damn, there's pretty strong consensus from several anons. I'm pretty impressed as a non-audiophile - it's good to know that there really is objectively good equipment out there.

>>52646206
Are closed headphones significantly inferior to open headphones at the high end of the spectrum? If they are, that might change my decision.
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>>52646169
You're getting sucked into meme wars.

K702 is cold/neutral, HD600 is warm/neutral, but neither of them are closed and they need amping so they don't fit your needs. Maybe Fostex TH900 if you really don't care about price.
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>>52646189
out you fucking fag
>>52646169
K702
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>>52646205
I should had added that it's not a replacement. Just to test the water for longer than just trying a pair at a store.
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>>52646225
might change???? if you dont need closed, you should NOT get it. theres no point
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>>52646169
closed are shit
get a AKG K702 and a good amp
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>>52646225
>Are closed headphones significantly inferior to open headphones at the high end of the spectrum? If they are, that might change my decision.
Unless Fostex TH900 like >>52646228 said

Also >>52646235 the AKG > Sennheiser is the worst meme
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>>52646169
K702 and O2+ODAC
save yourself the money and closed back a shit
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/lit/ anon here. I've been listening to audiobooks with the standard Samsung earbuds. What the fuck is an amp, and will it help me listen to bass voices when seagulls start screaming nearby?
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>>52646253
>things i don't like are memes
sennshill kuck
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>>52646266
>/lit/
>durr whats a amp
it is a meme that these retards are the smartest board on 4chan
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if anything, the biggest MEME that exists here is ANY kind of BRAND WARS. theyre useless, and anyone actually being for OR against any brand is a subhuman retard that cant argue specifics, and probably doesnt actually know much about audio, or they would realize that brand wars is a DUMB CONCEPT. how is this hard to understand?
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>>52646249
>>52646265
>Preferred tonal balance: Warm/Neutral
>K702

I know we're in the middle of shill wars but please. K702 is a bright headphone, and if he really wanted a bright headphone with that budget he might as well go full shillheiser and get the HD800S which is basically a superior K702.
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>>52646169
TH-X00
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>>52646169
K702 and O2+ODAC or schiit stack
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>>52646274
Let's be honest, the Germans do everything better.
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>>52646266
I have no idea what the quality is of audio books. High end headphones could be great or they could be terrible ranging from earsplitting to just a bad experience from the distortion being magnified.

If they're like most shitty recorded things then the treble is probably through the roof so both the AKG and Sennheisers would be terrible for that.
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>>52646282
damage controlling sennshill nvidiot
>>>/v/
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>>52646289
Try using your brain, and looking at the intended use instead of what the customer 'thinks' they want. Porn, audiobooks, and mememusic. You don't need them at all.
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>>52646289
>insulting the hd800 by even comparing it to complete trash like the k702
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>>52646302
germans are fucking kucks
austria is better
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>>52646289
K702s aren't even that bright. Most recordings just are too bright.
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>>52646325
>insulting the K702 by even comparing it to complete trash like the HD800
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>>52646315
I'm one of the guys recommending Fostex since they're warm and closed, so I did do that.

Just pointing out that K702 makes no sense for a warm recommendation and that he doesn't give a shit about money so there's no point in going bang for buck with K702 when the HD800S exists.
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>>52646338
>k702
>good
lol i bet you think meme50s are good too
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>>52646169

K702
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>>52646325
I don't know why Sennhesier can't make their lower end headphones like the HD800... meaning more AKG like. Huge sound stage and neutralish headphone.
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>>52646327
HAHAAHHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
>>52646325
This
>>52646314
>AKG fanboys also buy AMD
Shig
>>52646338
kek
>>52646346
this
>>52646350
not sure if ironic
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>>52646358
why would it be ironic? somebody who likes shit meme headphones is probably going to like other shit meme headphones.
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>>52646350
fuck off m50x's are just as bad as shitty sennshit headphones, both are entry level garbage shilled for by reddit to fucking plebs
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>>52646365
tru
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>>52646367
so k702s are even worse than entry level garbage?

god damn why does anyone buy them
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>>52646358
>mommy buys me expensive shit so it must be good
>nvidia
>good
>>>/v/
you belong there not here
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>>52646357
The HD800 is less neutral than lower models though.
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>>52646379
To be completely frank I think AKG makes nice headphones, I just prefer Sennheiser.
>>52646382
>I'll call him a child, that will get him good
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>>52646358
>nvidiot
>>>/v/
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>>52646379
Because they are actually really good and affordable at around $180-230 USD, while HD800s are literally $1200 starting.
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>>52646382
>i can't afford good shit
>i'll call it shit so i feel better about being welfare neet weeaboo trash
lol don't you have some japanese to pretend to know or something

>>52646387
more neutral than the k702 at least.

>>52646390
they really don't though, their only semi competent headphone is the k612 pro, everything else is either teh same thing just overpriced or a complete fuckup (see k812)
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>>52646390
>i think AKG makes good headphones but i prefer to be a kuck
>>>/sweden/
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>>52646400
The Canadian anon wants to blow $2000 so that's kind of irrelevant here.

That said, he's better off with LCD-2 or Fostex at that price range for warmer headphones.
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>>52646401
>complaining about weaboos and neets
>on 4chan
im neither but what the fuck are you seriously this new
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>>52646416
I can see why people like them and appreciate their catering to a small minded market = good, to put it nicely
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Thank you for your input, all. For now, I have decided to order the studio K702s from Amazon and see how they do. I may return them and try the Sennheiser recommendations later.

To everyone who recommended something else: I am sorry for being a pleb and a shitter. Thank you for your advice.
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>>52646436
>using as insult = complaining about
go to bed you've got grade school tomorrow
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>>52646448
might as well be a complaint
seriously using weaboos as a complaint or a insult just confirms your newfaggotry
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>>52646444
>tfw the Canadian listens to /g/ memeshills
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>>52646444
>He fell for it
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>>52646444
>not actually blowing $2000

Come on man. I wanted someone to report back with expensive headphones. Can you at least get the AKG K812?
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>>52646465
not knowing what a weeaboo is clearly confirms your newfaggotry.
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>>52646379
>>52646358
>>52646401
>>52646448
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>>52646485
>a newfag projecting newfaggotry onto others
not the other guy but you sure are looking like a newfag bitching about weaboos and neets
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>>52646484
>the Canadian dollar is at its weakest in recent memory
>hey Canadabro, buy some expensive USD shit

Hmmm.
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>>52646504
read the post you replied to again since it applies to you too.
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This thread makes me want to kill myself.
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>>52646506
Unbridled materialism is always good consolation for having weedman as his Prime Minister.
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>>52646484
its a good recommendation but its unnecessary tbqh he would be fine with a K702 and a good amp
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>>52646444
youre making a mistake. im the first guy to recommend the 600, and theyre simply more neutral. dont get me wrong, all the headphones we would argue about here are part of the upper tier of headphones. but after that, you have the people that really understand measurements, how audio resonates in the canal, etc. but hey, if you think you want more than less treble, get the k702. just know that the 600 has less, and is more neutral because of it, and over all, more neutral is always better. theres no point in coloring audio, and if you want to, use an eq
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>>52646509
>projecting
>>
hello
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>>52646509
>>52646485
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>>52646535
you know you've lost when you can't even answer back because you have no idea what you're talking about and have to resort to 'projecting'
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>>52646517
>you have the people that really understand measurements, how audio resonates in the canal
Is that why HD600s have such shit drive matching?
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>>52646556
posting shit like this won't help you fit in any better. lurk the fuck more
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>>52646564
you are projecting newfaggotry on to others what don't you get about this
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>>52646583
what's there to project when you literally are new and continue to prove it.
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>>52646574
well when i said that, i meant people here in the thread, not sennheiser. i realize their driver matching is a real problem, though i dont know if its still a problem. are there any newer measurements?
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>>52646578
see >>52646556
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>>52646593
see >>52646509
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love how the mere mention of the word "newfag" sends the newfags into a projecting frenzy
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While you guys are shitposting, what are you listening to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSdtvfBQd6c
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>>52646596
>>52646585
>>52646578
cancer
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>>52646587
Beats me. You play up the HD600 when the K702 has advantages over it. Both are neutral.

K702 has a way bigger sound stage.
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>>52646610
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2q3nnm
its not on jewtube
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>>52646618
>I looked up a old meme on ED to show that "newfag"
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>>52646615
inecreased treble has been known to give the impression of bigger soundstage, yes. high treble in particular is the correlation of what audiophiles would call "airyness"
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>>52646635
>projecting this hard
holy shit you can't even id filenames
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>>52646643
i never posted stale frog memes faggot
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>>52646662
>calling things stale because they predate your coming to this site
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>>52646668
>>52646618
dumb frogposter
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>>52646641
The only Sennheiser that compares to AKG for sound stage is the HD800.

Not going into a treble argument. AKGs aren't even that high.
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>Bruce Springsteen european tour rumors announced
>My brother calls me immediately and says he'll get the tickets for both concerts

:3
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>>52646668
newfag
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>>52646690
>compares to
hd800 soundstage blows any akg out of the water.
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>>52646702
Not really.
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>>52646702
lol no

>>52646694
this tbqhwyf
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>>52646714
yes, really.
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>>52646702
Seriously. People that even begin to compare AKGs to it have already lost the argument. Ridiculous.
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>>52646690
everything youre saying correlates perfectly though. even the hd800 has higher treble, and yet again, you say it has good soundstage.

but you guys are getting ahead of yourselves. soundstage isnt real, aside from being open or closed. everything else is just the fr, as i said higher in treble and creation of airyness, tricking your brain into making things sound varying distances in the track.
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>>52646722
they can't afford anything good so they just throw out ridiculous claims formed from baseless assumptions.
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Seisenhuaer.
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>>52646722
>hurr its good because its expensive
do you have a 980 ti as well anon
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>>52646726
How can soundstage be real if our ears aren't real?
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>>52646726
>>52646702
Playing games the soundstage matters a lot too me. Really helps immersion.

It's not a distance thing. It's how real it sounds. A small sound stage is very artificial sounding. Among other contributing factors.
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yet another thread absolutely ruined by akg shills shitposting
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>>52646763
For gaming it's rather:
precise imaging >>>> wide soundstage
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>>52646763
and then see, you have people that dont understand even the meme definition of the memes, and they just convolute things even further. truly i would hate to not have all the knowledge i have of audio, because seeing the things spouted are ridiculous. having to imagine myself being new to this world and reading this stuff would be a nightmare
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>>52646785
yet another thread absolutely ruined by sennheiser shills shitposting
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>>52646735
No I have a 780 ti
>>52646730
Essentially
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>>52646785

but Anon they are used by our waifus xD
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>>52646799
do you never get tired of fucking up every thread with your bullshit?
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>>52646799
end your life
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>>52646799
this tbqh
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>>52646802
>tfw a hd 7970 is better than your $750 gpu
wew lad
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>>52646788
The best imaging doesn't help you if it all sounds 5 inches away.
>>52646796
No idea what you're saying.
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Stax SR-207
Y/N
And yes, I have heard it. Just don't know how it compares to Stax lamba since I can't find it around where I live.
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>>52646850
>tfw a $50 takstar hi2050 is better than your $300 k702
wew lad
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>>52646802
you have a lot of balls to admit you have that thing
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>>52646850
Too bad it costs even more...
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>>52646857
>No idea what you're saying.
of course not, i did not expect a response

>>52646850
if you think a 7970 is better than a 780ti, youre retarded. but you were already retarded because you think a k702 is more neutral than an hd600. so yet again, im able to find easy correlations
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>>52646865
Kekked pretty hard
>>52646869
I'm very aware that $580 was too much money for this thing, too bad I make enough to not give a shit.
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>gaymers talking about graphics cards and soundstage have infested the thread
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>>52646885
>of course not, i did not expect a response
Because you're an idiot who makes an argument by using terms like "meme". Go figure.
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>>52646894
graphics card discussion in these threads would still be far more tolerable than akg weeaboos shoving their garbage down everyones throat. it's like they want everyone else to have the same pathetic audio experience they have.
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>>52646517
> just know that the 600 has less, and is more neutral because of it, and over all, more neutral is always better. theres no point in coloring audio, and if you want to, use an eq
You're contradicting yourself with your own words. Neutral doesn't mean that it has recessed treble. Most people prefer the HD600 over the K702 because it has a smoother sound, but it's just a matter of personal preference. I personally find that the K702 peak adds a pleasant clarity.
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>>52646865
lol no, on the other hand the 780 ti is a gimped piece of shit that is about 15% worse than a 290x
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>>52646904
>hurr weaboos
>4chan
well newfriend let me be the first to tell you 4chan is a fucking chinese cartoon image board
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>>52646931
>i don't know what a weeaboo is
back to 9gag
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>>52646936
you complaining about weaboos again faggot
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Side note, this is an amazing album to listen to with my HD650s :^)
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>>52646948
learn what a weeaboo is or fuck off.
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>>52646906
i didnt mean to imply that because the hd600 had less than the 702, that it was recessed. and i have no problem with you liking the 702 more personally, either. just be careful in recommending it to others, because a lot of people, particularly older people, are very sensitive to it. studies show that as we get older, not only do we lose our hearing to higher treble, but the remaining treble that we can hear we become more sensitive to it, so they tend to like less. that is why im always careful about recommending anything above neutral for treble in a headphone. perhaps even, we could add age to the request form, but more studies would probably be need to be done to pinpoint ages more accurately
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>>52646936
>this newfag again
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>all this gaymen gpu talk
Considering AMD GPUs are much more expensive than in US and top models are relatively hard to come by (usually out of stock), I'm not surprised why many people choose Nvidia instead. It's not a problem about performance, it's about logistic.
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>>52646952
everyone on /a/ now fuck off our board nigger
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>akg weeaboos have been on the site a year at best
kek
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>>52646964
Back to school so you can learn to fucking spell.
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>>52646983
identify one misspelled word in that post
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>>52646993
It should be spelled.

"I just came on in from reddit"
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>>52647007
can you even come up with a half decent post anymore or have you used up all your pre-made shitposts?
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>>52646953
Yes I can understand what you mean. Still I think that K702 is a good recommendation for someone wanting a neutral open headphone below 300€ for at least two reasons:
1) its infamous peak isn't even in the treble, it's more in the upper-mids, where most people's ears shouldn't be too sensitive
2) the peak isn't even as high or as fatiguing as people claim it to be.
But again, it all comes down to preferences.
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>>52646993
>AKG not akg
>weaboo not weeaboo
>no punctuation
>no capitalization
0/10
see me after class
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The best headphones ever, without any doubt, is the K702. Not only is the sound stage amazing, it delivers important themes about society and has a lot of symbols about religion. Pisses me off that people don't understand how beautiful this headphone is and I just want to punch them in the face.
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>>52647023
jews and sennshills are to blame
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>>52647016
>ts infamous peak isn't even in the treble, it's more in the upper-mids, where most people's ears shouldn't be too sensitive
except this is where voices are and they're very obviously unnatural and tinny sounding as a result.

>>52647017
i don't see a 'weaboo' in that post. did you misquote yourself? punctuation and capitalization aren't spelling mistakes.
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Why does this always happen?
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>>52647023
>and I just want to punch them in the face.
a socially inept weeaboo would be too afraid to touch anyone let alone punch them. weak b8.
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>>52646860
Did you like it? I have the normal bias and it's a little too bright for me (I use eq).

I'd say do it.
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>>52647036
people need to learn in order to make changes necessary to make something stop happening. consider now for a moment that some people cannot learn beyond a certain point. wouldnt it make sense then, in this case, that you might find that "this always happens"?
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>>52647035
dumb sennshill
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>>52647036
>Have two excellent companies
>said companies make 2 of the best headphones ever
>K702 and HD600 have slight differences
>add a dash of autism
>4chan
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>>52647016
Not him but there are two peaks, one at 2-3khz that generally people find pleasing, and one near I think 7khz, which is the one that might fatigue.
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if the hd 600/650 is so good why doesn't my anime have it

checkmate sennshills
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>>52647048
I find it just right for me. Soundstage somewhat small but everything else is fantastic for the price, especially how fucking transparent it is.
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new thread
>>52647088
>>52647088
>>52647088
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>>52647081
Because they are fugly.

On the other hand, Mio uses the K701 without an amp.
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