>>52513569 >year 1, learn how to program >year 2, learn how to program better >year 3, lean how to program on a professional level >year 4, spend year working with companies to improve your professional skills and programming Your point? Unless you do shit-tier IT you won't actually get taught about hardware in depth.
>>52513614 Nah not even, C#/ASP.NET mostly. In europe, or at least, the Netherlands, we don't even get any of the math American CS majors all complain about. For us it's just programming and thinking like a professional.
>>52513646 There was the option, but seeing as I'm not interested in embedded engineering I couldn't really see it as useful. And I already had calculus/algebra in an extra HS course. My school isn't shitty either, it's just that math are not required to know how to program well imo.
>>52513725 Yeah, but I'm a pleb who enjoys business-oriented IT like making a process inside of a company easier for the employees. I have picked up other programming languages in my free time, and while I don't see myself working in those fields, I do enjoy learning about them.
>>52513268 1: you expect us to do it for free 2: the only time you ever talk to us is if you need help with your computer 3: if we fix it, and shit breaks a year down the line you automatically blame us for it 4: you wont stop downloading shitty torrents, music downloads and toolbars after we told you how to properly browse the web 5: you fucked up your computer because you have zero idea how to use or maintain it, and since we fixed it once, you will almost literally call us every 6 months on the dot to fix a new fucking problem because you're too dumb to learn
fixing someone elses computer is literally the worst thing you can do for your health or sanity
>>52513569 protip: if a 13yr old can fix it and you cant, you seriously need to reconsider if you should actually own a computer
>>52513778 to add to that: If it takes less than 2 minutes to fix, they start saying "I could have done that so easily, that's nothing". If it takes 2 minutes or more, they start saying "but I thought you were good with computers >:^)" in a condescending tone.
Because you're asking them to do for free what they should be getting paid a pretty good amount if money to do. 99% of them will gladly do it....If you pay them at a rate commensurate with their skills.
>be doctor >people always come asking for you to fix them up perscriptions and give medical advice for free >be plumber >people always come and ask you to fix their taps and unclog their toilet for free >be builder >people always come and ask you to build a deck and fix their roof for free >be CS major >people always come and ask you to fix their computer for free One of these things actually happens.
It reminds them they do not know how to since they did not take the proper course: computer engineering or mathematics, and as such suddenly remember that graduates from those two fields are better than them in every single way.
>>52513603 >spend year working with companies to improve your professional skills and programming This is literally done in every fucking semester at my school. Every project assumes a business setting and we get "professional lessons"(presentations, writing, meetings etc) for 2 years which after you do internships.
Of course it's meant to prepare you for a job. But it's retarded to think of it as an afterthought since it's literally the most important thing you can learn in any college major.
>>52513699 It's worse, really. If you can't keep track of your income and spending in an age of automatic electronic documentation of any expenditure that could possibly involve your checkbook, you are a fool.
Needing your checkbook balanced is like needing to manually defrag your hard drive. It should be taken care of automatically and if you have to do it yourself it's likely because of a fuck up on your part.
>>52513268 That's every major, actually. There are threads about that on /sci/ from time to time.
>Oh, you're majoring in Math. So you want to be a teacher? >Oh, you're EE. Can you fix my electric socket? >Economics? Can you help me fill these forms? >You're specializing in fluid dynamics? I've got a problem with hot water in the shower. Can you take a look? Et cetera, et cetera.
>>52513634 Fuck off, HBO pauper, you can call it a "University of Applied Science" all you want, but it isn't a University.
If you would actually study CS on an actual university: Delft/Eindhoven/Enschede you'll get the math. You'll probably get a Java course in Enschede, everything else is about math and concepts. I don't know, I'm an EE student, but what I know is that HBO EE is fucking horrible.
Its like asking your friend the mechanic to fix your car for free. Its like asking your friend the Doctor to give you a free run in the MRI. Its like asking your friend the lawyer to get your ass out of jail and your broke.
For some reason people think just because you're younger you can fix there computer and its something really simple. Maybe I just want to have a normal conversation with you instead of being demand to do slave labor every we talk.
Because usually it's a problem that can be fixed after a quick google search. Because being a CS student doesn't automatically make me good at dealing with hardware or software. I could be in IT or I could be a SD. Because even if I do fix it they'll probably just break it after a few weeks again. Because whenever you hand me your laptop it's sticky and disgusting and I feel like it's a health hazard sometimes.
That being said, I don't usually experience the "household computer guy" problem because my dad is even more proficient with computers than I am.
>>52513268 I'm fine with it. Most of my friends/family are gracious people who would do the same for me. I enjoy fixing computers every now and then.
>>52513567 I finished Calculus II in December and I already forgot that shit. I was actually going to be a math major until my school reinstated the CS major (small liberal arts college). I'm taking linear algebra now and hopefully it sticks with me since I would like to be a graphics programmer eventually.
>>52513268 Most Linux users that ask me for help have hardware issues. Neither of us worked on said hardware, so we can't fix it (unless it is as simple as a missing driver).
Most windows users that ask me for help have some random bug in windows that it would be unreasonable to expect me to know about. Fix devolves into googling, which said person usually has already done.
Most OS X users asking me for help, I usually do help,as they usually just don't understand something that I can explain. Most OS X using developers have issues in the same way as windows users.
Its like if you go up to your friend who's a doctor and you're like "so hey I think I'm coming down with something"
It's rude and kind of annoying. And to top it all off we get asked to do this all the time. Like people who vaguely remember meeting you at that one party 25 years ago will call you up like "hey can you fix my shit? I'm not gonna give you money...I just want you to do it"
>>52513268 Because they don't intend to pay you anything, and they expect it done quickly.
Because once you do it for them once as a favor, they'll expect help constantly in the future.
Because if you say no, even politely, people get bent out of shape and think you're rude.
Because if you ask for payment for your services like a normal professional, people get bent out of shape and think you're rude.
Because even if you fix their problem quickly and for free, two days later a completely unrelated problem (perhaps on a completely unrelated device that also just happens to be in their hiome) will crop up and it will be your fault because you were the last person to "work on it" and they'll demand you fix that as well or they'll tell everyone you broke their stuff, left it, and don't know what you're doing.
Because people are fucking idiots who are terrified of their computers and think that if you like computers, you should be morally obligated to assist them with their problems at any time and with no compensation, 'as a friend'.
It would be like if for some reason very few people knew how to bag groceries and you do it for 40 to 60 hours a week and every time your family went to the grocery store that asked if you could come a long to bag their groceries for them for free.
A more realistic analogy would be everyone who knew a car mechanic asking them to fix their car for free. It's just that people don't appreciate how much effort you put in to learning what you know and treat your time like it's unimportant.
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