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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
New 2016 ThinkPads announced:
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
I would shell out like crazy for a laptop to replace my x220 in a few years, especially if I could get a nicer screen (perhaps 16:10 instead of 16:9 too) but they're never going to make a new one with the keyboard I love.
>laptop to replace my x220
>ultraportable with 16:10 screen
Got you covered :^)
I remember a train ride when a guy relatively close to my was writing some e-mails or some shit on it.
Good lord he was hitting the keyboard so hard with his fingers, the whole cart had to endure the metallic clanking of this piece of shit the whole ride.
Not sure if he's just retarded or it's the keyboard that's just godawful.
>I'd rather not mash my fingers against a metal plate with every keystroke thank you very much.
the best thinkpad keyboard ever made had a solid metal backplate :^)
I can't imagine not using a mouse anyway desu, pic related
My t410i keyboard power button is KILL. it's the same keyboard for the x220 and other models. i know that's the problem bc my dad has another chinkpad with the same keyboard and I used his keyboard to turn the laptop on.
Is there any other way to turn the laptop on? a keys combo or something?
pls help :(
X220 owner here, was wondering if you guys have any experience with these:
would be great to turn my expresscard bay into something useful.
also, what's the difference between the first one and this:
is the power cord thing really necessary? Would be running with gnu/linux and (possibbly) freebsd. Thanks!
check out my fucking EPIC gaming laptop you plebs
its so FUCKING HARDCORE hgnagn HGNGNG
I would describe it as usable. There's nothing particularly special or impressive about it. If a good screen is important to you and you can afford to give up a bit of portability, consider a T520 instead. 15" Thinkpads have always had far better screens than 14" ones.
Never actually had a laptop; thinking of getting a T420 for some general purpose activities (word processing, chinese cartoons, shitty indie games, light programming). Thinking specifically of getting: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201348514763
Kinda worried by the "Showing minor signs of use, the odd mark, scratch, buff to be expected. May have minor cracks to plastics" as I rarely buy preowned products - should this be okay or is it something to worry about? Might be able to get it cheaper somewhere else, but I'm willing to pay this much. Should order it tomorrow if this seems fine.
I'm in the same boat as you but I'd like to get SSD and >>52355046
Sucks that our VAT is so much, on top of US import cost.
What does cursor preference have to do with your bogeymen?
Isn't that more about keyboard than cursor though?
message the seller and ask for a CDI.
if the seller doesn't get you one, and you don't mind taking a risk then buy it, if it is near or at the read limit, file a claim with ebay, if they deny it, file a claim with paypal, if they deny it, file a claim with your cc.
it's pretty much impossible to not get your money back if you get screwed over. you probably won't even have to file a claim with paypal or your cc if things go wrong, ebay is very buyer oriented
X260 or X1 or wait for the "Retro"? It's going to be xboxheug isn't it? inb4 DYEL manlet etc
I've done it myself. Just take your fingernail to corner and peel it off. Its a thick sticker. When I get home, I'll upload a pic of my smooth trackpad. You should disable the trackpad in bios anyway, the trackpoint is so much better once you get used to it.
The voltage difference is minuscule. The trackpoint uses less and its much faster. You also don't have to worry about your wrist accidentally brushing across the trackpad when typing.
otherwise, is this not pretty good?
Testing something out. Posting from my T23. I have no idea how to boot from usb on this computer. Is there anyway to do it, or do I have to find some other way to install Linux on this thing?
Help me /g/. How do I save my 4-year-old t420? I've never done anything with computers other than putting the microSSD in this at the very beginning.
Found your problem, but seriously disable dedicated gpu, that shit will eat your battery, and keep your laptop feeling like a stove top. May want to consider reapplying thermal paste also.
does anyone know what the main differences are between the x220 and the x230? I used to have an x230 tablet from my high school, but they took it away on graduation, which really sucks. I want to get the x230 again, but the places i'm finding it online are so expensive i might as well buy one new somewhere. the x220 is far cheaper though, so i might sit with that, i just don't really know whether it's worth settling or not.
X220 user here. The screen res has become too shit for me to tolerate anymore, so I'm buying another thinkpad. Probably a T420 or T430. Does the T series support MSATA or M.2? That's pretty much my deal breaker.
starting CS50 next week and need my quad core t420 battery to last four hours
so I bought a 9 cell off Amazon from a seller that claims they use Samsung cells ($33 shipped prime)
think I'll get four fucking hours out of it?
T520 has a better screen, but the size difference between 14" and 15" Thinkpads is bigger than you might think. 15" Thinkpads are some seriously massive motherfuckers. In terms of portability, my T420 feels like a closer relative to my X220 than it does to my T510.
What is so good about them? i have never owned one. would it play diablo 3 fine?
I need one because i lost my home and all my shit is in storage and i just have smoe shitty laptop with me. and my daughter uses it more than half the time
You'll need one with the dedicated nvidia graphics if you want to play anything on it. None of the other specs really matter, but I would also strongly recommend finding the 1600x900 screen. If you're in the US, it shouldn't be too hard to find what you're looking for. I got my fully loaded T420 listed with 900p screen, dedicated graphics, and fingerprint reader for $180 shipped.
Sometimes sellers fail to list the dedicated graphics as they can be a bit hard to detect outside of opening the machine or properly installing Windows with drivers, which most sellers don't bother with. You're taking a gamble though and I wouldn't bother unless you really can't find any more specific listings.
Just bought one Thinkpad
Amazing battery and tough as fuck.
Just one think to keep in mind:
* it comes with a retarded amount of bloatware, like wow, even Samsung (TouchWiz's Samsung, yeah, that one) would tell these fuckers to lay down the bloat.
Going from a X1C3 to an X61T sucks... I lost $500 in selling my X1 Carbons lol, never again.
Not that hard.
Or, wait for it.. orr..
you could look at the highest priced E520 and sell yours for $10 less!!
Chill, people prefer other ways.
>no rolling ball mouse
They are weird to use
This is what I found
Repaste your CPU and GPU and use TPFanControl if you're not already. Repasting the T420 is relatively easy, I would even call it a pleasant job. Just follow the hardware maintenance manual to the letter and keep track of your screws and you shouldn't have any problems. Set TPFanControl to manual on a low setting, I usually use 3. It barely makes any noise but keeps temps down nicely. Jack it up to the max when you're under heavy load and you shouldn't ever see temps over 80C.
I do a lot of CAD work and the trackpoint is god tier.
If I am going to get a keyboard for my desktop with a track point, what should I get?
The newer USB rubber dome keyboard or the older RT3200?
Here's the thing: there's a W520 on my local classifieds for about $490 USD. Import tax and customs fees add about another $80-$90 USD if I try to buy off ebay, which is uneconomical as fuck, where the cheapest ones currently up have shitty condition as well.
Its specs are
>i7 2760QM Quad-Core 2.4GHz
>500GB hybrid SSD
>Windows 10 that I will downgrade to 7 and dualboot some distro
I'm not sure about the gpu but if it isn't I will try to haggle down the price if it doesn't have it. Should that be the case, I would buy a new mobo from ebay with the 2gb gpu (I want to use it for 3d rendering) and quad core i7.
What are /tpg/'s thoughts about this?
My fan controller is going nuts when set to "automatic" on acpi. It's running at full speed for no reasons (idle at desktop) so I had to put it back to medium speed via CLI.
It's the first time it's behaving like that, any particular reason?
What is the oldest thinkpad with a 4:3 screen that is capable of displaying 200 pages pdf and editing a 100 pages word document? (Thinkpad x21 or x41? If yes, what distros should I try?) Basically I want to write my thesis on a Thinkpad.
T420 with SSD here.
5 sec boot time.
File operations (opening large folders /transfering files) are super fast now.
Big programs (Photoshop, Ableton, etc) open much faster.
My laptop is dead silent 90% of the time. (I haven't realised how comfy this is until I got the SSD.)
So basically the SSD meme is true just like the Thinkpad meme. I say go for it. A reputable 120 GB SSD is dirt cheap nowadays and it's supposed to be enough for your OS and programs.
>Why so salty?
Because I havent slept in a long time. And you're acting like it isn't basic knowledge that a SSD is much faster than a normal hard drive. I don't know why/when/how thinkpads and SSD's became "memes"
T410 is GOAT
I got one for £150 a year ago an its much, much better than any commercial laptop at that price point
Get a cheap SSD and stick the HDD into an ultrabay, great, cheap laptop with a decent screen, good for a laptop keyboard and decent hardware specs
I have this keyboard in my T400. Got it for free from Lenovo about two weeks after ordering the computer new in 2009. I bitched at the customer service rep about the flex in the original being "what I expect from a Dell". This was back when Lenovo actually cared about their product, I guess.
I disagree that this is the best keyboard ever, though. It felt a little mushy to be honest. The one that came with my T410s (and now lives in my W520) is like pure sex. Crisp, solid, great feedback overall. Beats the shit out of the T60/T61 keyboard.
This. The T520/T530 screen is noticeably better than the one in the T420, and the W series screen is better still.
>I lost $500 in selling my X1 Carbons lol, never again
Why the hell did you bother selling it in that case?
Did I fuck up, gee?
>180GB Intel 520 SSD
>illuminated keyboard + thinklight
I have an E550 at my new office. To be honest, it's not much worse than the T440 I had at my old company. Yeah, WXGA on a 15.6" panel really sucks (why the fuck do businesses keep doing this) but overall the quality of the screen is similar, if not slightly better. The overall quality of the laptop is not appreciably worse than the T440, but it's definitely worse than my pre- xx40 series Thinkpads.
I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do when even the xx30 series is obsolete. If the Thinkpad Classic dies in development, then I really don't see much of a difference between the new ones and Macs. Here's to hoping the T460p is a god damn sexual tyrannosaurus.
i5 with disabled dedicated GPU reporting. I've noticed no change in graphical performance because the difference between the two cards is pretty insignificant for anything that isn't CAD related. I have however gotten almost double the battery life with fresh 9cell and slice and it runs noticeably cooler
You should be able to do it through the power manager. At least that's what I remember from my T400 running Win 7.
Windows also gets really pissed off if it was operating in dedicated/integrated mode and then gets switched to integrated only.
b-but x230 with i7 is the only laptop I've always wanted.
Now I'm gonna put 16GBs of RAM in it, get rid of WWAN and 2,5inch SSD and get mSATA 128GB Intel 530 SSD + 1TB WD HDD. This will be my dream machine.
>essex wide boy
>no security screen
>blanked serial number
Am I just being paranoid?
Unless the deal is excellent, avoid:
These are cost-cut versions of ThinkPads which are thicker, are made of lower quality plastics and are less durable. Terrible hinges on the Edge series especially, some Edges have electrical shorting issues.
Botnet memes aside, would there be any benefits from upgrading to windows 10 from 7 on a X220?
Here's an example of HPs being more durable.
ThinkPads used to have a LCD rollcage, but Lenovo removed it for weight/cost savings after the T400.
HP is still using them.
The shells of thinkpads ARE some kind of magnesium alloy and function as the rollcage itself.
That's why they're cold to the touch and heat in the sun, because they're metal.
HP's have the metal on the inside but the exterior is plastic.
I was disappointed to find out the lid on my X230 was such thin metal it may as well have been crappy plastic. Due to how I normally carry my laptop around in my toolbag I ended up getting damage to the screen in just a few months.
When I ordered a new screen I reinforced the lid with a thin layer of carbon fiber, it seriously increased the stiffness and didn't add more than a couple ounces. Glad there was enough room inside to do that.
ThinkPads use CFRP shells with magnesium rollcages inside:
The X series use to be a little different as the outer shell was the rollcage as well, it was made out of magnesium.
Elitebooks have aluminium shells with magnesium rollcages:
I know, I've own a T60, T420, X220 and a HP 8570p. You seem a little on the defensive if someone starts to question the whole 'ThinkPad durability' thing.
Lid is magnesium, top part is plastic for a RF window.
Early X220 lids had a problem where the RF window separated from the lid.
The base is magnesium, it also acts as the rollcage.
According to Lenovo Reference sheets,
the x230 case material is magnesium for the screen shell and bottom, carbon reinforced plastic for the antennas in the to and palmrest and normal plastic for the batery cases.
My laptop is a x230, hence my defensiveness when you said it was plastic (you were talking in general, I was too, my bad also).
I find it pretty durable 2bh.
T61 still top for build quality. :^)
The downside of the elitebooks are the weight, metal chassis will always be heavier.
after the cleanup of an old thermal compound
Man, this laptop is the best machine I've ever owned. I've had x230 with i5 and standard screen before and the i7 + IPS was exactly what I needed.
Would an X60 be able to watch a Twitch stream (specifically through VLC+Livestreamer) or is that too much for a 10yr old laptop?
I'd like to use a Libreboot machine and that's probably the most intensive thing I'd use it for.
I use my T60 in tandem for my T61p to watch multiple streams (fuck multitwitch and twitch in general)
Resolution and sound sucks on my T60 (bless my 15.1" T61p's res and sound) but they're workable on medium with some lag on high and source. I doubt the X60's CPU can handle high or source though but medium/low should definitely be doable, and it might get pretty hot after a while
So I have a couple of question, Does anyone know where I can buy a rear cover shell replacement, Bezel, Hinges, Pretty much all of the external things. Also, If I buy a 1600x900 replacement will it work for a model that originally had a 1366x768?
Well my car was found after all so I'm probably going to have to pay $400 to get it back from the tow yard.
I guess I'll return the prius now and keep my thinkpads... jk.
Overall I lost $500 on the two X1 Carbon's I've had
Regarding the W700ds, it depreciated about 500, though I did use the hell out of it.
Using the X61T is a pain, thinking about getting a T430s and modding it.
ZorinOS worked incredibly well when I had it, played video a lot better than expected.
Very nice, last of the traditional T6x era keyboard before they started to slowly change the layout.
Dude he was disliked for a reason.
I recommend a T430, you could get them for under $300 easily for a used model.
Save the money for SSD, batteries, and RAM upgrades if you don't like its performance.
A used T series should cost the same as that L450.
Don't complain about price if you're buying new, but yeah, its fine to some.
I want that stand alone CD drive, shit is cash
Is it DOS only? No Trackpoint lol.
Is this the 300?
Also it is interesting in the non ThinkPad laptops IBM had made, I think there were about 5 different models during the time of the tablet and 1st gen of notebooks.
Really /tpg/entoomen, is this cost effective or not?
Is it worth it waiting and competing with other neckbeards over ebay then opening my asshole up for shipping and customs?
Why is it so much harder to swap the Ultrabay on my T420 than it is on my T60? I have to lift the laptop, use both hands, and it's still retarded. How do you fuck this up when you already had it right ten fucking years ago?
>every fucking thread
Equivalent in USD is meaningless.
The price in general is meaningless.
Opinions of anons outside of your unknown country are meaningless.
This is an American board and the buying guide is based on the American market prices determined by supply and demand in America.
What matters to you is the market price where you live. The only way to figure that out is by looking at completed/sold auctions and other advertised, similarly specced models in your area, as you appear to be doing. This is already more than most bother to. Make your own decision based on this or at the bare minimum tell us where the fuck you live so your fellow countrymen can chime in. Ignore any and everybody else when it comes to pricing.
>Just avoid the 1366x768 ones like aids
Hell, avoid the 1600x900 ones too. With that kind of resolution, you're better off getting a T530 for less money. The only way a W series makes sense is if you get one with the high-res screen.
Is the x220 a lot lighter than a T420?
How long does the battery last for you goys?
Currently thinking about replacing my t420 with an x220 and gift that t420 to my bro, because it seems kinda heavy for daily usage.
I'm looking for a battery for my x201.
I'm about to buy a chink battery from ebay but I often seen you guys recommend no to buy these chinese products.
How long before the investment in a real Lenovo battery turns out to be financially more advantageous than "throwable" chinese batteries?
I fell for the Void Linux meme
Just get a cable with the right plugs that would fit in the adapter.
The AC / DC converter can take in input 110V to 230V and is indifferent to the frequency difference (50Hz or 60Hz).
Or you can just get a cheap plug adapter (like on deal extrem or something), like the one sold at an incredible price in the airport stores.
Got a good deal on Gumtree but is it safe to pay directly to someone's bank account? Is buyer's protection still valid (on your card) if you do? Is it important to request payment through Paypal?
I've got the chance to get one of the newer elitebooks for cheap, the 840 g1. Is the build quality still good? I know jack about the newer elitebooks, and I'm a little reluctant at the whole "ultrabook" branding.
you'd have to replace the WWAN card, which is easy enough, but I don't know if there are any official ones that support it so you'd have to get a 3rd party card and then get around the BIOS whitelist
it's very doable but it's not just gonna be plug and play
i'd probably just ask for paypal. you might be able to get your money back through the bank but you're going to have to go in/call and harsass them. it'll be a huge pain in the ass
I carry a small drawing tablet with me anyways so it doesn't matter too much
pic attached is me trying to go from low pressure to high pressure. It always resets in the middle and it starts by acting as if it was a regular click.
pic related, me going low to high pressure on my x230t in Krita.
Do you have the wacom drivers installed?
I have two ThinkPad E series laptops
The E11 is a great little netbook with a lot of the nice things about a Lenovo.
The E555 has a unusable trackpad and I feel like the build quality is flimsy.
I still use the E555, but it is more or less a linux terminal for server stuff. Also a mouse is a must with it.
Pic is of the E11
So which laptop is good for a college student? I am looking for a cheap laptop that isn't over $500. I am torn between the T420 and the T500. Which one would be better? A 1080p Screen would be great too.
you can download drivers for "wacom pcs" from the wacom website. Maybe they have mac drivers too. Just checked, apparently they don't.
But here, windows tablet drivers:
Select "Tablet PC" on the top right to see it
My countrymen sell T60s for around USD$150 so that should give you an idea how fucked the used tech market in my country is
Also the W series are rare as fuck and this model unfortunately comes with a 1366x768 display, which fortunately can be changed, and the seller said it has a gpu but didn't specify which one
Such is buying used in singapork