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Previously on >>52253697
Intended for users of all levels, including absolute beginners.

There are three ways to try Linux, you can:

1) Install a Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
2) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full Linux experience".
3) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with Linux (not recommended)

If you are serious about switching to Linux and if you have Windows dual-booted (recommended for pure newbies), we recommend you use it exclusively for 2 weeks, and avoid Windows dual booting for that period of time, or it's likely you will start retreating back to windows instead of getting used to Linux as your new home and working onnmaking it feel the way you want it.

Before asking, please find the answers to your questions in resources.

Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread.

Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe wine can make up for it.

Resources:
man <insert command here>
your friendly neighborhood search engine
https://www.codecademy.com/en/courses/learn-the-command-line
https://wiki.archlinux.org/
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/
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What is Linux (or GNU/Linux for Stallmanists)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux

Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux

What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic [it's reddit-tier] -- refer all your recommended software here.)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software

Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse/puke-inducing like those at desktop threads)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing

A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
https://gitgud.io/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript

Check out this page for any updates on the OP
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/

IRC No one uses:
irc://irc.freenode.org:+7000/FriendlyLinux
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I think Linux is pretty good!
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What's the difference between Ubuntu and Mint?
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>>52272553
mint changes some things and makes it more user friendly in their opinion. it's also more stable.
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>>52272553
Basically only the DE is different.
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>>52272222
Okay /g/, from my previous comment linked.

tl;dr I need an easy to use distro with no terminal invocations necessary.

So far I got Linux Mint on the table. Any other recommendations.

Again, no terminal use period.
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>>52272624
ubango. but you only hurt yourself by not using it.
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>>52272624
Ubuntu, Mint, Mageia..
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>>52272624
There are only two distros for you, they've been mentioned five times in this thread already, go away.
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>>52272579
>>52272605
Isn't mint the one with all drivers and firmware out of the box?
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>>52272707
mint is one of them. debian also has a non-free version but it's not suitable for a guitard.
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>>52272707
Nah, they are very close in that regard. Depends on the clusterfuck of a hardware situation that you have. Because if your hardware is alright (most is), they will work exactly the same.
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How do I make my own distro?
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>>52272766
LFS.
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Anyone successfully installed Eclipse Che on Windows?

The installer mentioned in some articles is non existent, the install documentation referenced in the readme goes to a 404, and if I already have Git for Win I don't see a reason to install Docker?

Anyone think of any reason to just not set up my own Linux VM instead of the VM Docker wants to create and run it there?
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>>52272462
>Make it good and functional or make it worse/puke-inducing like those at desktop threads
I was on a desktop thread months ago and I posted photos of my old RS232 terminal hooked to a headless linux PC. The morons thought it was a monitor even when I repeatedly told them it was a terminal. Some people just don't understand the finer things in life, and desktop thread people are generally those people.
Posted last thread but it's already saged.

>>52272553
Mint is ubuntu with a different desktop default and (I believe) no amazon.com spyware garbage pre-installed.

LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) is based on Debian instead of Ubuntu and is what I used for a bit.

My chain of progress (first distro I used to last)

Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy -> 9.10 Karmic -> 10.04 Lucid -> 12.10 (for a week, fuck unity) -> Mint with MATE desktop (14, "nadia" -> Linux Mint Debian Edition (I got bloody tired of needing to fresh install distros every few months, and it was based on Debian Testing's rolling-release system at that point instead of using 'update packs') -> true Debian testing (Jessie) -> Debian Sid. And I've been using sid for the last year and a half.

>>52272624
If you refuse to use the terminal AT ALL, you're going to have a bad time.

I got away without using a terminal for a while, because Ubuntu and Mint have GUI interfaces, but if you really want to do everything, you'll need a terminal. For example, some emulators are not in Ubuntu/Debian's package manager.
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>>52272846
>>>/g/sqt
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>>52272899
why were you posting battlestation pics on the desktop thread?
sounds like the moron here is you
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>>52272947
Fuck off, ben.
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>>52272959
who?
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Hi /g/uys.
I'm arch user. After kernel upgrade to version 4.3.3-2 systemd still load 4.2.5-1. In /var/lib/modules i have only 4.3.3-2 modules, so old kernel cant load them.
I done this:
>Reinstalled all packages
>mkinitcpio -p linux
>mkinitcpio -g /boot/linux.img -k 4.3.3-2
Nothing works. Plz help.
Pic related.
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>>52272995
Have you boot the recent kernel? Maybe you're with the old LTS.
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>>52272966
Exactly what any ben would say.
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>>52272947
No, stupid.

It's impossible to screenshot a terminal conventionally ('print screen' button sends whatever text is on the screen to a parallel port printer plug on the back)

A camera is the only way to screenshot what's on a terminal.
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>>52273018
no idea who you're even talking about
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>>52272995
update the bootloader you tard
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>>52273012
It's a stock arch kernel.
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>>52272449
I want to compile my own linux kernel for entertainment purposes. Mainly, I'm just going to include absolute minimum things I need (I do know you can disable modules, and there are distributions that already do this, I want to learn myself) however I couldn't find a guide or something on how to start tweaking things. Can anyone suggest something?

All I could find was tour of linux kernel from tldp.org and it gives a nice starting point but not as deep as I need to go. How do people get started with kernel development, or are they a dying breed?
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>>52273050
but why would you want to post that in the desk top thread? are you some kinda of baka?
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>>52273091
I'm sure you boot the wrong kernel.
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>>52273052
See >>52273018
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>>52272995
G R U B

S
C
R
U
B
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>>52272995
sudo update-grub
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>>52273096
It was accompanied by a post where I said that my RS232 terminal was as
'functional' as their braindead rice was. (Not exact wording, of course)

Also, it's what the contents of my screen was, thus desktop thread.
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Is SystemD really as bad as people are making it out to be?
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>>52273178
Systemd works, is fast and reliable.
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>>52272553
Mint has ancient fucking repos. If you're using Mint, you'll want to be adding PPAs all the time just for the freshest software.
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>>52273223
>Mint has ancient fucking repos
That would be because it's based off of Ubuntu LTS rather than the latest 6 month release of Ubuntu like it used to do.
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>>52273084
>>52273135
>>52273141
I'm using systemd-boot boot loader. command to update boot loader is 'bootctl update' and it says: 'File system '/boot' is not fat efi system partition esp file system'.
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>>52273204
>found poettering
systemd causes my system to hang on boot, but only sometimes.

about 40% of the time it boots fine. Totally random race condition bug.
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>>52273165
>the functionality meme
typical
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S49488855#p49491698
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>>52273271
>systemd
found your problem.
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>>52273271
Go to forums or something, 4chan is no place to resolve such problems.
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>>52273313
It's a good thing It's possible to use debian without systemd and without any problems.
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>>52272449
Nice to see OP finally decided not to recommend specific distros for babby usage.
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>>52273301
Congrats, you found me.

>>52273330
It is possible. The only way I was able to make pic related boot consistently was by removing systemd and building MATE without the weather applet that requires polkit (and systemd if you use Debian's packaged polkit).
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>>52272449
Please include https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ into the OP. Same quality like the Arch wiki, but debian/ubuntu specific and for germanfags.
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>>52273377
Which is why it is not included, it's for Herr Merkel.
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http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/
add this too OP
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>>52273377
>>52273401
you guys realize that you can edit it in the wiki right? the OP is based on a wiki standard.
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>>52273377
https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/systemd/
it's actually a good wiki but 4chans consists of only 4% germans.
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What are some good linux subreddits?
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>>52273501
/r/futanari
fuck off ledditor
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>>52273501
unixporn, the ultimative place to circle jerk le e-penis
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>>52273501
The shitty apps guy would like to have a word with you.
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>>52273536
aka. reddit's desktop thread.

But at least they have an actual functional desktop unlike desktop thread manchilds
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>>52273501
>quaranteed replies
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>>52273573
lol
>i-i swear this useless terminal is functional, guys
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>>52273636
I see I caught your attention from the desktop thread too.
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>>52273636
at least people do not tell the newbs to sudo rm -rf their hard drive to solve problems
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Why does my system fail to unmount /var on shutdown? I don't think it's causing any severe problems, but I'd like the error to go away
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>>52273749
>not tricking noobs to erasing their hard drive for lulz
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>>52273749
https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/3620un/is_there_a_less_sexist_version_of_fortune/
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Can somebody post their PaX configs to fix steam and Source Engine games? TF2 doesn't start, yells about gameoverlayrendered.so, nothing I found on the internet solves it.
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>>52273758
Most likely you have the systemd virus.

If this is arch:
/var is unmounted right after pivot_root into a tmpfs. Then systemd-shutdown is executed again and tries to unmount the already unmounted /var.
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>>52273883
>Most likely you have the systemd virus
Just ignore this autist, nothing is wrong with systemd
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>>52274122
Except it caused a race condition and brought my production server to a screaming halt during a routine restart. I sometimes don't have physical access to the machine, and it caused 2 days of downtime.
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>>52273883
I see, thanks
>>52274122
If it's a virus, it has to be removed. I suppose systemd is the Linux version of system32
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>>52274122
>just light my shit up
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reposting from last thread
google hasn't helped me much

anyone have any experience with sentora?
I can access the webmail just fine and it seems to send and receive mail just fine, but when I try and use thunderbird to access it, it just says it failed to find the settings
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>>52274122
>pack everything into PID1
>DON'T DEBATE IF THIS IS GOOD NOTHING IS WRONG

i'm not an anti-systemd-autist, but there is a point to be made against it for sure. now if i want a system without it i have to go to slack or the bsd people (not that that's a bad thing, i just really like debian).

also checkout runit by the void linux people. they're doing a lot of things right imo.
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>>52274241
That's wrong. Many things are done in sub processes. There are few things done in PID 1.
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>>52274197
SystemD is not system32 and it's not a virus. It was initially a system init (The scrolling text you see when booting is a system init) but SystemD is slowly becoming an omni-purpose tool for Linux. Some people aren't a fan. I have no opinion of it either way. If you somehow find a way to remove SystemD (assuming it is your system init) then you'll brick your system.
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If all I am doing is coding assignments in c/c++ and java, writing documents, and internet browsing does it matter if the packages in LTS are "ancient"?

I like the idea of a rolling release (considering Arch or Sid), but I am afraid of something breaking. If my fear is something breaking then would I be better off with Manjaro since they hold off on adding things to their repos while still being a rolling release?
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>>52274288
manjaro is shit
I've used arch for years and it's never broken, don't fall for the old memes
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>>52274197
Systemd is like if system32 weren't necessary for windows to run but was a windows system service that served no purpose except to cause more problems and make boot more confusing than autoexec.bat.

It's like pulseaudio (Same lead programmer BTW)

>>52274241
You can always master your own debian installer DVD without systemd.
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>>52274261
well, yes, but...
this would actually go to far to lead anywhere in here. systemd bundles a lot of control within PID1, that's the point.
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>>52274334
Yeah, that way if one thing fails the whole system goes down. Smart.
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>>52274306
yes, i could, but no, thanks. already now i have packages from newer repos breaking because they assume systemd being there, this is not going to get better.
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>>52274356
exactly. that was my point.
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>>52274241
>i just really like debian
then use it without systemd. they are quite open to that.
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>>52274303
Are there any general tips to avoid breaking Arch? I have installed it on my T400, but I never cared about it breaking because I only web browse, but now I'm considering putting it on my workstation.

Comparing Sid and Arch, which is easier to maintain?
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>>52274435
I've never used sid, I've heard it's the one you actually have to worry about things breaking. As for arch, I haven't done anything special, just -Syu once a week and never had any problems.
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>>52274288
the answer to your question is no, it probably doesn't matter if packages are ancient.

sid isn't rolling release, sid is not really usable and not meant to be. if you want rolling release go for void linux (or arch, but i really like void). it has a nice installer, is stable, has a nice package manager, up to date everything, libressl by default, different DEs if you install from disk, the works.

if you want a system up and running quickly and you want it to be pretty fresh, right now i would recommend debian stretch (although jessie is also still very nice) or, if it has to be that way, ubuntu mate 15.04. once it's installed, just apt-get install build-essential and you're good to go.
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>>52274435
Subscribe to the Arch mailing list (or read news on archlinux.org). About once a month or two something will be posted there that probably deserves your attention. Might help prevent breakage.
I've been on Arch for over a year, nothing ever really broke.
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>>52274435
sid mailing list helps, reading changes before applying helps and there are two packages that list bugs with updates and such. debian testing is a good compromise.
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>>52274482
I never follow it and my OS never broke.
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>>52274435
arch.
arch arch arch.

don't use sid on your main machine. don't use it on your secondary one either. that's not what it's for. if you want debian - and i can absolutely recommend it, it really is a breeze in every way, endless packages, huge friendly community, problem solving made easy (although that largely also holds true for arch, i suppose) - go for testing.
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>>52274500
Yeah, Arch breaking is mostly a meme from years ago. Everything is pretty stable even if you don't go out of your way to be careful.
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>>52274465
I've been looking into Void linux too. Does Void do something similar to what >>52274482 said about bringing things to attention, or is it use at your own risk?
I feel like I have no benefit to using super new packages, but I just like the mindset of installing once and being fine. But if I am transitioning from using Xubuntu/Mint extremely casually for about a year what I have the best time with Void, Arch, or Testing?
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I've been kind of wondering how permissions work in Linux. From what I can gather in Windows, if you want to install some software, you need admin privileges, which basically grants that program access to your whole system whether it needs it or not. If it really wanted to, it could mess up everything.

What kind of restrictions does chmod give programs? What about things that are already installed like gedit or whatever. To modify system files, you need to use gedit in root mode. So I just really don't get it. If we assume some random source I've downloaded is malicious, what happens once I do chmod?

Also some place say
chmod a+rx
whereas others are just
chmod a+x
.

Is the (r) for reading absolutely any file on my system? If I don't give it (w) it can't change anything, but it could in theory just send all of my data to some nigerian warlord. Is that something to be concerned about?

I guess that's a lot of questions, I'm sure some of them are dumb, so just answer what you can be bothered to. And thanks.
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>>52274574
DON'T
USE
NON-MAINLINE
DISTROS

That's like buying something from a sketchy shop, except you get absolutely no benefit.
Amateurs run them and they fuck up way more often than proper developers.
Fuck Void, Manjaro, and all other shit.
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whats the tldr on what a symbolic link is?
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>>52274629
It's a shortcut.
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>>52274482
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>>52274589
PERMISSION      COMMAND   


U G W

rwx rwx rwx chmod 777 filename

rwx rwx r-x chmod 775 filename

rwx r-x r-x chmod 755 filename


rw- rw- r-- chmod 664 filename

rw- r-- r-- chmod 644 filename


U = User

G = Group

W = World


r = Readable

w = writable

x = executable

- = no permission
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>be me
>try to install archbang on newly acquired thinkpad [X220]
>fail because I've never run linux before what the fuck is going on
>give up and install ubuntu mint
>run ubuntu mint for about a month
>still want to run arch linux
>Install arch via virtual machine on PC twice
>what could possibly go wrong?

I'm going balls deep on my thinkpad as soon as my new USB arrives in the mail.
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>>52274754
I've been running Arch on my X220 for several months, it's bretty gud. Wish you luck!
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>>52274754
Good luck anon, it'll be fun
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I need to downgrade to xorg 1.17 from 1.18 in Arch. I've added 1.17 repo but issuing pacman -Syuu does not downgrade anything. How to do it?
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>>52274692
Is readable and writeable for everything though, even system files? Is that important for a lot of programs, or are they fairly self contained?

Is there a way to just give a program access to its own folder, and read but not write access to its dependencies, and then nothing else?
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>>52274813
>1.17 repo
what?
>>52274813
>-Syuu does not downgrade anything
Why would it?

This has all the info you need:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Downgrading_packages
Download a package and
pacman -U package_file_name_here
it
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>>52274909
>1.17 repo
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMD_Catalyst#Xorg_repositories

>This has all the info you need
obviously it was the place to chceck first, but want I'm trying to do is to anti-update: instead of manually selecting packages to downgrade I'd like to replace already installed packages with packages from certain repo.
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is there any way i can activate nvidia drivers on a mint live session? i want to see how well it can work with my nvidia card before installing it.
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>>52275023
didn't check enough, ya dork
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman#Installing_specific_packages

pacman -S xorg117/xorg-server
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>>52275046
You would need a custom Live disc/usb, since there's no real way to "reboot" a live session.
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>>52274462
I've used sid for two years and never had anything break (badly).

Just the usual issues when you update kernels with nonfree graphics card drivers, really. If you know what you're doing it's quite pleasant and usable. Also apt now tells you when packages have known critical/serious bugs before it lets you choose to install/upgrade them.
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>>52274226
I seem to have fixed it, SMTP url had to be mail.example.com and imap was just example.com
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>>52275078
what about ctrl+alt+backspace?
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>>52275057
much appreciated faggoy
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why should i use linux if my games aren't supported on it
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>>52275169
You shouldn't, leave this thread.
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>>52275169
You could still watch porn with it.
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>>52275169
Don't then
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>>52275176
>>52275183
that doesn't help
>>52275182
it's not the same
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>>52275192
>that doesn't help
Help with what? You didn't specify your issue.
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>>52275206
yes i did
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>>52275103
it's not just xorg, it's gotta set itself up in the kernel I'm pretty sure.
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>>52275213
Hilarious.
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>>52275232
cmon man im just looking for help
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>>52274866
You want all files to be at least readable usually.
>can you just give a program access to its own folder?
that's what android does. If you don't run as root (lets you read or write anywhere), programs obey the permissions from chmod. usually non-program system files have permissions like 644 (the 'user' that installed them, root, has r/w permissions, everyone else has read-only) for files, and 755 for directories (to change into a directory you need execute permissions).

system programs like your shell (often /bin/sh or /bin/bash) usually have 755 permissions so anyone can run them but only the owner (root usually) can overwrite them.

You don't want to give a program only access to its own directory (it wouldn't be able to access libraries it depends on or write its config file), but this could be done in chroots or by writing a program that you KNOW will be executed in such an environment.

As long as you aren't root and you are careful you'll be fine.
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>>52275169
You could actually use the computer instead of perverting it into a desktop console.
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>>52275303
i am using it as a computer by playing games
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>>52275239
The problem is that you made it seem like you only use your computer for games, which is not what Linux is known for.
Is there anything else you use it for? Do you program, do you just browse the Internet?
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>>52275330
just really games, browsing and work
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>>52275360
>he thinks i fell for the linux has no games meme
i said linux doesn't have MY games you moron
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>>52275230
yeah you're right

ill have to try manjaro then, because i believe it can boot with non-free drivers off a live cd
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>>52275360
Dammit, made a typo.
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>>52275387
sure you did.
in case you can't understand that either, it was sarcasm
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>>52275371
So what are YOUR VERY OWN games then, faggot?
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>>52275103
That just restarts your X server. Should work.

>>52275078
a full reboot? possible if you're clever and have a read/write filesystem on a USB or something. Requires a custom disc though.

>>52275169
Minecraft
Runescape 2007 (old school runescape), maybe.
anything else in Java I forgot

and also...
EMULATORS.
Most good emulators nowadays have linux ports. Certainly most open source ones do. Dolphin for Gamecube and Wii, mupen64plus for N64, Higan (bsnes) or snes9x for SNES, retroarch and the Genesis Plus GX core for genesis/master system games, gambatte for Game Boy/Game Boy Color games (the most accurate emulator, on par with BGB), or BGB in wine - the author cares about linux via wine support, though he refuses to opensource BGB or build a native linux version.
Also, nestopia 'undead' is a great NES emulator, and the crappy FCEUX (less cycle-accurate and has crappier color palette) has been ported as well. For GBA, there's visualboyadvance, of course, as well as its successors. desmume for NDS, Stella for atari 2600, the list goes on.
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>>52275401
yea but no black ops 3 tho senpai
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>>52275399
well I own plenty of games and they're not made for linux
>>52275401
I don't play MC or RS anymore and I can't into emulators, I'm just not captivated by those games anymore
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>>52275418
Baww.

Star Wars Battlefront and Battlefront II both work in Wine, btw. Maybe more, but those are the last two windows-only PC games I really enjoyed.

Also, Quake, Quake II, Quake III (I think), all the Doom's.
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>>52275446
FUCK OFF
>>>/v/
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>>52275463
fucking on gets better results, family
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>>52275401
>That just restarts your X server. Should work.
i tried, but it fucked cinnamon, and it actually seemed to preform worse. im not sure if the nvidia driver sucks that much or if it was because i rebooted x and not the kernel.

im just gonna try manjaro because i know it can boot with non-free drivers
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>>52275446
>>well I own plenty of games and they're not made for linux
Doesn't mean that they don't run on linux. Google, mapages, wikis are your friend.
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>>52275516
If they work, it will work terribly.
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>>52275532
That's wrong, actually you will get more FPS because less bloated microsoft jazz running in the background.
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>>52275446
wine for anything modern is worth a shot.
dosbox for anything old.
If you're like me and have a massive archive of flash games, Adobe's latest flash player works in wine and older releases had native linux versions.

Also worth mentioning but less ideal:
virtualbox if they're older games, vmware if their binaries actually run on your distro (they don't on debian Sid, it's too new).
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>>52275553
then why do I get a steady 60fps on Black Ops 3 at general high settings on Windows and on Linux I get >5
>>52275565
yeah, i got all that but Wine is terrible with what I'm trying to play
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>>52275532
I can confirm that star wars battlefront runs faster on my crippled 10 year old laptop in linux with wine than it does in windows.
See also:
http://wiki.winehq.org/Debunking_Wine_Myths#head-7c9ecddfaff60d8891414b68d74277244e7109eb
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>>52275169
>>52275213
>>52275239
>>52275343
>>52275446
>>52275532
Hello friend.
I made a special flowchart that hopefully will help in clearing all your doubts whether you should or should not use Linux on a desktop computer.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask, we're here to help you.
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>>52275532
I thought so too. But then I installed and played through all of the Skyrim on WINE with no issues or major performance problems. I only experienced two crashes during that period.
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>>52275565
VM + Passthrough is worth a shot too.
>>52275579
Because you didn't set up your computer the right way.
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>>52275579
black ops doesn't even run on linux AT ALL you nigger, go away already.
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>>52275611
passthrough + nvidia = pain and drivers refusing to load.

I tried it too though.
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>>52275629
No, it runs on FreeBSD.
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>>52275629
It does, cunt. Let me tell you why:
On linux you can do everything you fucking want.
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>>52275586
I'm not trying to play Battlefront
>>52275595
I like using Linux distros, it's fun to learn
>>52275599
>two crashes
i like having zero
>>52275611
by all means, tell me how to set up my computer perfectly oh great gentooian
>>52275629
no because you're being mean in a friendly thread
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>>52275652
>>On linux you can do everything you fucking want.
but only if you read manpages :^)
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>>52275273
It still seems risky, even if I don't even really have any sensitive files in plaintext, (I assume all my password stuff and browser cache.. things are encrypted in some way).

I don't know what you mean by being careful. I'd like to just give read access to libraries and read/write to my home folder. I don't know if that's possible though?

like, besides examining the entirety of the source code, I'll never know exactly what a program is up to.

I'm not saying that doesn't also I apply to the rest of my system, but it's a lot easier to put my trust in "corporation with userbase in millions" than "man on github".
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>>52275595
That flowchart is false. I play many video games (and enjoy them) on my GNU/Linux desktop.
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>>52275696
it's a comparatively small selection of vidya (without wine)
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Has using GNU/Linux changed you, /g/?
Before, I used to be a belligerent Winfag. I would hate on GNU/Linux users vehemently, the hive mentality raged strong in me, but it was also out of envy and confusion that these people could actually ENJOY using their computers and not be subjugated to the disgusting ecosystem that Microsoft forces their users into. I went to college and subsequently had to take systems administration courses involving RHEL-based systems. Needless to say, I feel in love. I couldn't believe that I could actually use a system to it's fullest potential and actually control the system simultaneously.
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>>52275666
>I expect 100% perfection from wine
>all they have to do is reverse engineer 100% of windows without infringing copyrights. That's not hard at all

>>52275690
Sounds like you don't quite understand the whole 'linux' thing.

Permissions apply to a user's ability to modify files, not a program's ability. If you run a program as another user with more limited permissions, that'd do it, I suppose. You could use 'su <username>' to change to another user. Might have to make one first.

>>52275725
Yeah, it's just the entire game boy, GBC, GBA, NES, SNES, N64, gamecube, and wii libraries. Not many games there at all.
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>>52275845
i don't understand
who thought it was easy?
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>>52275741
i started playing games to have fun instead of playing games to kill time.
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>>52275867
Your expectation of playing extremely new directx games without them EVER crashing on a platform they were never designed for is what I have issue with.

Also remember, skyrim is a Bethesda game. Bethesda games don't even run properly in _WINDOWS_ oftentimes.
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>>52275908
then i guess you're just bad at explaining things
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Guys, we are here to help lunix noobs, not for arguing with obvious winfag bait.
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>>52275951
but I am a linux noob
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>>52274801
>>52274790
I'll let you know how it turns out, I'm still waiting on the USB drive right now. I haven't actually tried installing a desktop enviroment yet. I really like what I've seen from OpenBox though.
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>>52275845
Well shit, apparently not. So do I have no control over what a program does once it's executed?
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>>52275741
Yeah.

At first I was reluctant and on /g/ I was pretty much the book definition of a /v/edditor.
Gave Linux a try and failed miserably (my fault but I didn't realize it atm)), niggered my hdd completely, had to use rescue tools to even make it usable, which even further reassured my negative opinions about it.

After few months I decided to give it another try, dualbooting went successfuly.
So I used debian for a month or two, each day using windows less and less until I gave up, wiped the hdd and installed linux.

Since then I learned about every single retarded quirk of using it as a desktop os through my own experience.
Feels okay I guess.
It just makes you do think differently about a computer and makes you do things in a different way.

Whether it was a good decision to let myself be redpilled by Stallman, I don't know yet.

Also one funny thing, videogames are more enjoyable than they used to be.
One thing being I have a lot less time for them since I went to med school, second thing I actually have to carefully research whether putting effort into installing a game will be worth it.

I also discovered love for puzzle games, probably because they usually work just fine and they're those kind of games you can play 5 minutes a day in the middle of some other task
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I'm playing Phantasy Star IV now. There are so many old games that I never played that I can be okay with not having games the moment they get released.
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How can I set my desktop greyscale, gbr, etc?
Can I use software shaders to manipulate my desktop colors?
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>>52275992
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>>52275991
If you run a program, that program has exactly the same permissions the user you ran it with has.

If you don't know what a program does, you shouldn't be running it.

People are under the impression that you can only wreck a system with terminal commands and scripts, but you could just as easily create an .exe file that does the equivalent of "del C:Windows/sys32/*" if you run it as admin.
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Um my terminal (rxvt) has gone full retard. Backspace is equal to one space forward and when I am typing it randomly creates a new line and advances by ~8 spaces.
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>>52276078
Is it permanent? If it isn't.
$ reset
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If you like gaming you can still dual boot with Windows.
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>>52276103
Wow sorry for the retarded question. Thanks anon
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>>52276168
but why should I restart my PC when I want to play?
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>>52276187
It took me one year in the past (1999) to find that command, so I never forget it. When my xterm starts shitposting, I reset it.
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>>52276193
>should
That's a wrong word.
Noone forced you to do anything.
We're free people
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>>52276193
Takes 30 seconds.
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>>52276224
it's forcing me to restart my computer when I want to play a game that I play
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>>52276225
but why take 30 seconds out of my day for that when i can just jump into it
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>>52276224
Stop replying already.
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What music creation software would you recommend? I have some experience with audacity, but I'd like to try something new.
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>>52276243
who forces you sweetie?


>>52276265
shhh, he'll get bored eventually, while I still have nothing to do at work.
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>>52276295
if i choose to use it, then the OS
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>>52276294
ardour probably.
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>>52276262
Because if you are doing development or programming you'll lose more time fucking around with Windows than twice a day.
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>>52276319
i don't
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>>52276330
Then, go back to playing gaymes unless you want to go to into russian chans / deep web or whatever.
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>>52276347
games aren't everything
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>>52276311
>if i choose to use it
But you made the call didn't you?

You are not forced,
it's all in your head friend
You desperately try to shift blame to something inanimate.

You are forced to pay taxes, true.
You are forced to obey the law, true.
Forced to reboot your computer?
Absolutely not.

The only time you are forced to reboot your computer is when a fatal system error happens but then again, it's just software written by humans, and humans are not perfect.
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>>52276423
regardless, why can't linux just work
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>>52276442
It does.
I'm posting this from a laptop running linux.
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>>52276458
it does but not for what i want it to do
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>>52276463
and what is that you want to do which can't be done on linux?
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>>52276474
play the games i want it to play
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>>52276481
were those games you want to play developed for linux platform?
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>>52276481
They're usually not made to run on Linux. Just like PS3 games aren't made to run on Windows.
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>>52276520
>>52276523
exactly. nothing just works the ways it should. all in one for everything ever.
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>>52276535
The point being, it's not a limitation of the OS. You should take your issue up with the developers of whatever game is not available on the platform you want it to be.
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>>52276535
I don't get your post dear friend.

>nothing works
that's clearly false.
Like I said I'm using linux on my computer.

>the ways it should.
And what exactly is the correct way something should run?

>all in one for everything ever.
Please use english.
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>>52276523
>>52276563
dude fuck off, I had a good run and youre destroying everything
shoo you're scaring away my /v/edditors.

REEEE
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>>52276604
Sorry.
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How do I remove the borders? xfce btw.
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>>52276655
change the window decorations.
Or you can edit the current one.

It's either stored in
/usr/share/themes/<yourthemename>/xfwm4
or
/home/.themes/<yourthemename>/xfwm4
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Should I switch from LXDE to XFCE?
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>>52276691
Do you need to switch from LXDE to XFCE?
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>>52276698
Not necessarily, but it might be better
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>>52276704
If you feel like it might be better then why not?
There's always MATE for you to try out as well.
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Anyone here using alpine?
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>>52276774
are you trying to be the enemy of freedom?
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>>52276835
Alpine is free
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>>52276314
Playing around with this for now. Any idea why imported tracks seem to be slowed down?
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I using linux 2,5 years ;D
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>>52277007
no, I have no idea about music production and used audacity few times in my life.
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>>52277025
here, print yourself a sticker
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https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/39166/

Ubuntu local privilege escalation

Tired of not running as root? Get root now with this one simple trick!
You won't believe what this guy did to get root
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>>52277029
Why would you recommend it then? No matter, I realised it's actually the preview of the track that pitched higher, for some reason.
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>>52277163
I've seen it somewhere being highlighted as the "go to" solution if you really want to do any music production on linux.
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>>52272449
Wait isn't there an option 4? Yesterday I installed Ubuntu 15.10 in dual boot without having to delete anything, it just resized one of my partitions and installed to the empty space(reformatted of course)
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>>52277327
yeah but this OP apparently thinks this is too hard for new users or something,
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Justin Bieber uses gnome shell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ELbX5CMomE&t=38s
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I have java jdk in downloads folder. how and where should I install this rpm file? Not sure if I move it or if'll move itself.
used to windows.
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>>52277928
Or, more likely, someone who worked on the video uses Gnome.
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Compete noob here.
I have a thinkpad t420, running Ubuntu. When I boot up, none of my programs recognize my ultrabay hdd until I go in and set the absolute path again. For example, variety won't load wallpapers until I enter the settings, remove the folder from before, and enter in the same one. The same thing happened with the default wallpaper loader. Help?
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Hi /g/, quick question, I'm planning on installing xubuntu for my laptop cause I figured that will be the easiest in term of compatibilities (will do mostly programming on it). I was wondering if I should go for the LTS (14.04) or the latest release? My goal is for it to not be a pain in term of libs compatibility and to have the same work environment as most GNU+Linux users.
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>>52278594
LTS is the way to go. Never go bleeding edge unless you KNOW there's a reason you need it.
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>>52277971
Use the OpenJDK. It should be in your distribution's repos. No need to install proprietary software on your system.
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>>52277110
Thanks it' so beauty :')
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>>52274589
Permissions are pretty damn important, basically it goes user, group, else. and have read "r" write "w" and execute"x" . you can either use +x ect or numbers.

Also, Try Slackware.
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>>52278711
Ok thanks man!
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I'm programming in Qt(C++) on Linux 2,5 years and I can say:
"It's better than Windows for programmer"
If you:
1) programming in any language other than C# and Objective-C
2) wanna write multiplatform apps for PC or for android
You should try install linux ;)
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reminder not to fall for the meme
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>install arch linux
>cant fucking figure out how to get a desktop enviroment going
>cant get a display manager working
>cant even build stuff from source

HELP PLS G-POLICE

I want to run lxde and openbox and I think i have all the dependencies done and I've read the wiki pages but I just can't figure out how to get this shit going.
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>>52279045
I do low level C work (Assembly and C) and working on windows is a fucking nightmare. Valgrind alone is worth developing on linux.

>>52279116
too late.
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>>52279119
pacman -S xorg xorg-drivers slim
systemctl start slim
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>>52278711
>implying

>>52278594
The key difference (at least with *buntu) is the kernel.

*buntu versions stick to the same Linux kernel version for most/all of its release period. So, for example, a true LTS version will stick with its same kernel for the whole 5 years that it's supported. Unless you do one of the dot upgrades (for example, from 14.04.3 to, say, 14.04.4 when it gets released), you'll be using

For *buntu, given the above and some other things, it generally makes the most sense to stick to LTS.

This isn't exactly the case with other distros, though.
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>>52279119
Have you installed LXDM?

If so, do:;

systemctl enable lxdm.service


Then reboot, and things should work.
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>>52279161
I keep getting stuck on "failed to execute log in command"

I couldn't figure out how to get to the config files and edit them so idk if that's the issue.
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what is the point of linux when you cant play games??
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>>52279238
it fucking worked, thank you anon!
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>>52272449
> moeshit 2d anime slut

Don't talk about cute anime girls that way.
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>>52279275
>games
That's what videogame consoles are for anon.
Computers, as the name implies, are meant for computing tasks, not entertainment.

Silly guy
haha
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I installed eclipse in /usr so it's /usr/eclipse.
how do I add it to xfce applications->development?
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>>52279419
This is handled by the .desktop file

Open /usr/share/applications/eclipse.desktop and edit the application type.
You can google for more exact instructions/grouplists.
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>>52279152
When I wrote "objective-C", I think about programming apps for IOS :/
PS: Sorry for my english, but I live in Poland
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>>52279275
There are games for linux, and some of them are fairly high-quality. As Steam shills Steam Play harder and harder, more and more better games will be available for Linux.

As for the point, Linux is architecturally superior, more efficient, free, both as in freedom and as in no money, infinitely more configurable, has no or very few NSA backdoors (as opposed to the hundreds in OSX and Windows), and is written in better languages and makes it easier to learn to actually use a computer.

Even if your computer is purely an entertainment machine, every dollar Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, and the rest lose is a victory. We need to show these bastards that we won't just bend over and take whatever strap-on they put in us. We are free people, and it's high time they started treating us that way.
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>>52279511
Polaku robaku przecież nie stać cię na iphona kurwo biedna kuhhhhwaaa.
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>>52279535
And there's this guy. It's bait
stop replying you humongous faggot
I'm willing to bet he's a full time archnigger who's rusing for cheap because he knows Linux fanboys will hook it.
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>>52279536
;D
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>>52279401
> consolefag shilling bullshit machines running software worse than wangblows

Come on, man. Just because one uses a computer for games does not mean that they shouldn't be on a computer.

PC Gaming is a far more free thing than Console gaming. At least PC games can be modified, as opposed to consoles which are even worse than Windows for restricting your freedom.

I despise Microsoft, but giving money to the console companies (one of whom is fucking Microsoft) is not the answer.
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>>52279580
Games are DRM enabling time waster.

Them being locked down piece of dookie is a benefit because you don't get faggots cheating in multiplayer.

And as an entertainment you can lay back on your couch and just play.

Fuck off to /v/eddit friend
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>>52279401
>>games
>That's what videogame consoles are for anon.
>Computers, as the name implies, are meant for computing tasks, not entertainment.

>computing tasks
>computing tasks
>computing tasks
>computing tasks
>computing tasks


Everything on a PC in a computing task. BTFO

Cant handle it
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>>52279571
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>>52279571
>>52279650
I absolutely adore how this rusty bait proved that you're just some buttblasted manchild from /r/pcmasterrace.

Remember this everytime your post your "Linux isn't windows OMG" pic noone ever bothered to read past the first few lines.


Massive chuckle lad.

If I had a reaction image I would probably post it.
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Fuck you homos, Linux is shit and doesn't work
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>>52279821
Linux has worked fine for the past 2 years or so.

Get a desktop, or get a laptop with supported hardware. It'll all work exactly as you want it to work.
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>>52279821
This post made me very angry.
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>>52279719
>Read the entire image

I learned something

>>52279752
>buttblasted

More like blastedbored

>Massive chuckle lad
>lad
The British are coming
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>>52279861
I tried Linux mint. I had a terabyte drive the piece of shit wiped. Lost so many games and mods. It'll take days to redownload. It's all Linux fault.
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>>52279752
>/r/pcmasterrace.
Iv'e been boycotting /r/eddit since the fall of Digg
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>>52279915
> Terabyte drive the piece of shit wiped
> Installing a new OS wiped your drive
> This is linux's fault

Alright, this Bait just went to shit. Of fucking course you lost all your data. It's part of installing a new OS that the drive gets formatted to whatever its native filesystem is. With Linux you can set your home to a seperate partition and preserve your data across reinstalls/new distros.

Really, you're a retard for not backing your shit up before changing operating systems.

Go to bed, you 12-year-old fag.
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>>52279989
I tried to duel install dumbass
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>>52280017
Sounds to me like you did it wrong. You should just be able to shrink the Windows partition. Was your drive literally full?

My point still stands that you should have backed your shit up. And don't use Linux Mint; that's a shit distribution. Run Ubuntu MATE or Fedora.
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>>52279571
>Hey kids, want to play some games?
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How can I allow image preview in ranger when I'm in root mode? I can only preview anything when I'm in regular mode.
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fairly new arch and linux user

how do I secure my system?
something like LUKS for local encryption?
and how do I save myself from attacks across the internet ?
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>>52280146
You cant stump me
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>>52280181
root mode? as root?
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>>52280203
>>52280181

Here's what I mean with an image...
root mode on left and regular or right
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>>52280258
Maybe your root is not allowed to open things on your x server.
Try a
xhost +si:localuser:root
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>>52280185
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Security
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When I try to install ubuntu from a usb on my computer, it just brings me to a terminal with an ignoring bgrt status. I don't know what to do, and I have to turn off my computer to get out of it. Any help?
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things are tiny in my Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon install on a 14" laptop with 1366x768 resolution
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Installed Arch a while back, now I'm busy allday ricing my WM, programming shell scripts and gaining weight a lot. What the hell /g/. Any help?
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>>52275629

Pretty much going to be a problem with any console ports. Most real pc games run on Linux (the new ubreal tourny, xcom series, mount and blade, dota, crusader kinga and other paradox games)
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>>52280701
make automation scripts for when you have todo a "windows-style repair"
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>>52280467
is it kernel panic?
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>trying to get csgo to run on arch
>using open source AMD drivers,

The big issue is that I'm getting FPS caps at 60, even though I have vsync disabled both in-game and in ~/.drirc per https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI#Turn_vsync_off

I haven't put much work into this, but I can feel that this is going to be a struggle or impossible -- mostly because of AMD, right?

At least I have a [secret/g/spoilers]Wii U[/secret/g/spoilers] for some gaming needs.
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>>52282051
>no form of spoilers work on /g/
do you start X with a display manager or using [cod]startx[/code]?
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>>52273050
No, it's not impossible. http://archive.is/C6gU7
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>>52282516
I use startx.
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I'm literally new to linux and I don't know how to run this bash script

can anyone do a dumb retard step by step guide

This is the script I'm trying to execute: https://gist.github.com/swarzesherz/cccc328d6718e9e1f896
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>>52282756
cd place/you/downloaded/it
./Make.2.0.sh
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>>52281212
>There is no manual written for this program
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>>52282665
could you post the output of lspci for what make model your card defines itself as
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came in to vent
>get call from main office, hey anon I hear you are good with linux
>yea sure, what do you need
>I need to install a LAMP server and I have never installed linux before, can you give me a hand?
>sure
>says he only wants web page links, but he will call if he has problems
>says he is installing it using mint
>says that is all he needs and he won't be in touch or what it is for
>I knew it was for an idea I pitched and got rejected on
>help him to the best of my abilities

I fucking hate being this guy.
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>>52282855
should have recommended kali
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>>52282879
I didn't recommend anything, because I was trying to be supportive. Wanted to recommend gentoo and be done with it
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>>52282907
dunno what you're moaning about then, you're the person you allow yourself to be.
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>>52282814
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM]
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>>52282931
no this is me trying to put on my adult pants and it burns like fuck. I suspect this is how normal humans are suppose to interact. I don't know, only been in corporate land for 3 months now
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>>52282977
haha you think corporations are built on fairness and friendliness? I get what you're saying but the corporate world is like a bunch of people climbing on top of one another to get where they believe to be ahead.
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>>52282965
try adding
Option "vblank_mode" "0"

to
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.con
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>>52283237
Wow, thanks. That actually seemed to fix the capping issue.
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>>52283450
cool i dont have an amd card so i just went off of manuals
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Obviously, this cap is from a mac (desktop thread awhile back) and obviously, it's streamlined and sleek as fuck like a riced linux distro. How the fuck is this possible? Is it just an elaborate ruse? If anyone has any guesses please voice them
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>>52273877
Bump.
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>>52283685
Homebrew or something. Mac rice isn't rare in desktop generals, ask there.
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>>52283685
>sleek as fuck like a riced linux distro.

why do you think that?

It's just
>terminal colors
>no borders
>one window has shadows on the desktop

As is, no one in their right mind would use it as a setup because it's too barebones and useless.
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>>52283685
compiling x11/xorg on mac
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>>52283788
Don't judge a rice by one screenshot.
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>>52283767
Will do, thanks anon.

>>52283788
>no borders
easier said than done. I've tried endlessly to get rid of the macfag "stoplight" bar at the top of every window to no avail.
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>>52283788
>As is, no one in their right mind would use it as a setup because it's too barebones and useless.

What does a productive setup look like according to you?
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>>52284022
I bet it includes a dumb terminal
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>>52283788
>it's too barebones and useless.
I bet you move your mouse to the corner of your screen and click a big close button lel
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>>52283685
> swaggyp

Kill yourself. People like you are cancer on the world of technology.
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are there acctually any nice tool that one does really need for ubuntu? I am quite comfy with ubuntu for like 4 years now. never had big issues
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Ok so i have installed linux mint before just fine but when i tried to on my main pc on a completely reformatted drive it gave me this error "The creation of the swap space in partition #3 of scsi1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed" whilst trying to install using the first option. Sorry if this is stupid.
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>>52284317
Well you should remove that Amazon botnettery. Other than that, either just continue on if you're happy, or be more specific.
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>>52284396
>Well you should remove that Amazon botnettery.
did that.

>. Other than that, either just continue on if you're happy, or be more specific.
otherways I am acctually pretty happy. only thing I do sometimes miss is some paint alternative aka a really small, fast loading image manipulation tool, just to resize and censor images.
GIMP is okay, but takes a few seconds to long to load imo
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>>52284412
http://www.linuxalt.com/linux-alternatives-to/windows/ms-paint.html
no endorsement express or implied, I just googled it
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How2 connect my laptop to my TV with HDMI on Gentoo?

On Fedora it would have two displays, the TV and the Laptop.

Now it just has the laptop and the function key to switch the displays just turns the screen off. TV gets no signal.

Have an intel i915 video card.

xrandr says there's an HDMI output but I tried to switch with it and it just made my desktop 1920x1080 and it took a while for me to fix that.
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>>52284879
>xrandr says there's an HDMI output but I tried to switch with it and it just made my desktop 1920x1080 and it took a while for me to fix that.
what did you actually tell xrandr?
also post output of xrandr
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>>52284952
> xrandr --output HDMI1 --mode 1920x1080 --left-of LVDS1

> Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1366 x 768, maximum 32767 x 32767
LVDS1 connected 1366x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 344mm x 193mm
1366x768 60.01*+
1024x768 60.00
800x600 60.32 56.25
640x480 59.94
DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
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>>52284972
Yeah, HDMI1 is disconnected because I don't have it plugged in ATM. It doesn't work when it's plugged in; I'm not retarded.

When it's plugged in it says HDMI1 connected.
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>>52284979
It also lists a shitload of resolutions and framerates, same as LVDS1.
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NEW THREAD

>>52285013
>>52285013
>>52285013
>>52285013
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>>52284972
>>52284979
>>52284992

try
 xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output HDMI1 --right-of LVDS1 --auto 

same as what you used, just altered
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Hi guys.

I'm very new to Linux. Just installed Ubuntu 15.10 and its pretty great. I just need a few questions answered if any anon would be willing. And yes, I've tried googling and looking through wiki's for the answers but to no avail. I've found alot of answers I've been looking for myself, but the few answers I need have eluded me.

Firstly, I would like to disable mouse acceleration. I tried gpointing-device-settings, installed via the terminal. I've tried "sudo vim usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-mouse.conf", but it just tells me the command is not found. I've obviously tried to use the unity system settings program, but it only lists speed, and double click speed. There doesn't seem to be a 'more/advanced settings' button anywhere either.

And secondly, what AMD drivers should I install.
>inb4 hur dur AMD linux drivers r dum
I don't care. Thats what I have. Should I install the open source drivers, or the proprietary ones? Would my initial setup dialogue when I installed Ubuntu have downloaded the most uptodate ones already?
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>>52285167
>disable mouse acceleration
that will be in the settings manager under "Keyboard and mouse" or some thing similar ,set it to lowest setting
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