>not a police state
UK wants internet providers to identify who's using their connections http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/24/uk-wants-isp-to-identify-connection-users/ via Engadget Android
Is anyone going to argue that it isn't? They have CCTV, christ.
Even in the US, we have traffic light cameras everywhere and it's not hard to believe that they can be always-on and used to spy on people. Hell, my state not only has intersection cameras, but there are various "checkpoints" that see your license plate and log all that information to some database. It's all for the children, of course.
I live in the UK.
I knew shit like this was only going to get worse when Cameron self-appointed his "emergency terrorist fighting powers" after the EU moved to make internet monitoring more transparent.
My city has intersection cameras EVERYWHERE, and has one neighborhood filled with them, literally you can follow a person through the whole place.
Wanna know the funniest part? Cameras are property of a private security business which works (for now) for the local government.
Its just matter of time until this turns into a corporatocracy
Yeah, the entire arrangement is really fucked up. Have hope, though, anon. I'm in Ohio and there are many judges who are just as pissed about it as we are. They're being declared unconstitutional and have been outlawed in some cities. The issue keeps coming up in the courts and state legislatures and hopefully they'll be removed soon.
The UK is one of the most repressive countries in Europe when it comes to internet freedom and freedom in general. You have to ask your ISP if you can watch porn (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076) and saying offensive things online can carry a penalty of several months/years in jail (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/08/man-jailed-offensive-ann-maguire-tweets).
Not to mention the widespread spying that takes place on virtually all online activity. If anything politics in the UK is becoming more authoritarian and right wing so the trend will likely continue.
> who's using a given internet protocol (IP) address and hand it over to the police
>Internet service providers currently have no business reason for holding data showing which IP address was allocated to a device at a given time
I've been worried for nothing his whole time?
IP's are just cycled between users with no log?
God bless IPv4 restrictions.
I thought you where better than this BT/ GCHQ !
Are you retarded? Obama is the one who's been eyeing up Internet IDs since he came into office.
You're completely fucking retarded subscribing to the "democrat vs republican" nonsense too. If you're going to discuss politics how about you actually learn them first? Neither "side" cares about your right to privacy when it comes to the Internet. They both pretty much agree tracking what you're doing online is a good thing. The NSA isn't because of "republicans" or "democrats", it's because many of those republicans AND democrats allowed it to happen.
I wonder, why don't you guys do something instead of bitching about it?
learn information security, better yourselves, form groups, build things, pwn things and "rm -rf" them
yes, lulzsec and anonymoose failed at it but, you know they were just kids, right?
>Republicans tend to vote more on the side of surveillance and "strong defense", though.
I'd prefer an increased military budget over some fucking healthcare train wreck that makes me pay for trailer trash whores getting abortions.
>those who “spread hate but do not break laws”.
That is literally a thought crime, from a judicial standpoint it is probably the most stupid, ignorant and just plain wrong comment I ever read in my whole
Who cares? If you're voting "sides" you're an idiot. Politics aren't black and white and believing that you only have two choices is a huge reason why we have all the nonsense we do today.
On top of that left leaning politicians are more likely to fuck with the Internet than right leaning ones are.
You should be voting based on what individual politicians say they'll do, not on which "side" is better.
That's now how revolutions work.
People don't fight unless you keep pushing them until every single one of them is desperate.
Look at russia, the arab spring. The US is not quite that bad just yet.
Guns are a silly and brutish solution. You'll get called a terrorist and imprisoned immediately.
It is absolutely demented. I studied revolutions in University and the key factors are the breadth of support in the population, how unified those rebelling are in terms of politics, ethnicity, religion etc, the speed of the initial uprising, its proximity to institutions of power and capital cities, etc etc etc. The availability of guns is almost irrelevant. In the case of America, multicultural and politically polarized as it is, the widespread availability of guns is likely to have no effect other than increasing the amount of bloodshed between revolutionaries and counter-revolutionaries. It will have no impact on fighting the police, Army or government whatsoever.
Fisa was Carter, Echelon/Carnivore was Clinton and Obama took Prism and injected it with steroids.
Democrats are the worst offenders when it comes to this shit.
Also I wonder if anyone here is old enough to remember when Bill Clinton had DOJ declare softcore internet porn a felony and sites were getting door kicked daily until the ACLU filed suit and Clinton and Reno were bitch slapped down by the Supreme Court.
FISA actually created more barriers to the operations of the NSA in the US. The whole thing was a reaction to abuses of the Nixon era.
It has been continually watered down throughout the years.
>If you're voting "sides" you're an idiot
I often get the impression the two leading parties in my country get most votes from "I know only those two parties and I'm not gonna vote for X" kind of people.
I don't vote "sides". I vote for my representatives based on how they vote.
And at least when it comes to my district, my Congressmen vote correctly when it comes to internet privacy. They're Democrats.
It's fucking 1984 "War Is Peace" and "Freedom Is Slavery".
And there is absolutely, literally NOTHING we can do about it.
I thought every EU country has to keep ISP logs
>Like the rest of the EU the UK is subject to the European Union's Data Retention Directive. All telecommunications data in the UK is kept for a minimum of one year and a maximum of two years.
>Police would have to get permission before collecting IP address info, and there would be documentation showing both when and why they needed that data.
you should read the stuff you're linking to:
>On 8 April 2014, the Court of Justice of the European Union declared the Directive 2006/24/EC invalid for violating fundamental rights.
Of course few small groups of armed dissidents will be put down easily. I'm talking about the large number of existing gun owners who can easily organize into large and decently coordinated militia, backed up by defecting LEO/military personnel. When such large groups appear simultaneously, no doubt government loyalists will be outnumbered and pressured to use more devastating firepower on their own citizens, causing even more dissent.
Of course russia or chingchongs might take the opportunity to invade in event of Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo
No he's right. They're going to pass some bullshit bill called "Net Neutrality Act" or some other horseshit name that's going to give Capcom and AT&T all the power in the world to throttle and draft new charges for the internet.
Fuck me they might even make it LITERALLY like the "Affordable Care Act" and make it illegal for an American citizen to NOT purchase internet from Capcom or AT&T. They'll call it "progressive" and say they're "bringing more internet to more Americans".
I'm from a country where in the 80's we went from "The government defending the citizen's from the terrorists" to "The brave revolutionaries have finally slashed the terrorist government"
So yeah, pretty much depends on who is seating on top.
And so the rebels and loyalists engage in an anarchical free for all that ends in russia or china invading. Bravo.
Care to provide a better alternative than simply bending over for the police state dick?
>make it illegal for an American citizen to NOT purchase internet from Capcom or AT&T
>add in a Government Network ID
All they'd need to do after that is make it illegal to not have a cell phone, because of stupid shit like being unable to dial 911 in an emergency.
yea, especially when half of them look like this.
This is using terrorism as an excuse for censorship. I would fight this to the end if I could.
You catch terrorists using good old fashioned detective work, or by not snooping on ordinary people's emails. Fuck this shit.
This is really no change for the UK, this isn't GCHQ tier spying crap, this is simply retarded old politicians not having a clue how the internet works. This is already happening behind the scenes by intelligence agencies as Snowden proved. This is the porn filter all over again. It's just raw stupidity and technological illiteracy.
I should expand a little more upon this too: the enemy isn't the government itself. That's like fighting a war and saying your enemy is the other guy's guns.
If you want to rebel then rebel against the corporations that own the country. Stop buying their cancerous shit, stop playing their cancerous game, stop feeding their cancerous lives and eventually they will starve to death.
Why do you think they have been pushing the concept of internet access as a "basic human right" ?
You will have your own personal case worker who will ask you about sites you visit and comments you have made.
"Anon it appears as though you researched transparent proxies on the 15th of this month. Care to tell us why?. Also call your family and let them know you won't be coming home tonight. This debrief will take a while."
Nor me, and I just signed up for a new contract. Businesses know that nobody wants to be filtered. Downloading and porn are the biggest uses of the internet, it was just David Cameron trying to appeal to the millions of middle class voters who are too dumb to use the internet properly and want to protect their children from phantoms. It would never be implemented really. I'm skeptical that it was even a censorship move given how easy it is for the government to censor websites already.
i don't know how this could have escaped you, but it's the government that's doing all that buying. so keep voting for higher taxes and more government "services" <cough>. i know that you UK subjects don't have much say in the matter, but in the US we can vote for smaller government and lower taxes. We just need to get the idiocracy informed enough to do so.
And yet we are currently living in an age where they say "We want healthcare for everyone" and their solution is to make it illegal for anyone to not buy health insurance from private companies.
it didn't work because the US govt didn't want it to happen, and because of cowards and delators
>democracy builds itself magically
your post gave me Ebola
only two people replied to this, both are scared of even moving a finger, even if one could say they are part of the technological elite...
Forcing acceptance of pre-existing conditions and dealing with the pay caps is justifiable. They wanted to do it the right way and have a government run plan but people were too dumb to see past the retarded death panel lies
> Forcing acceptance of pre-existing conditions
aka insuring a building that's already on fire: Brilliant!
> government run plan
You mean like NHS, that worldwide laughing stock? No thanks.
> death panel
They are not lies. They are written into the law. Obviously you haven't read it.
Obolacare will have 157 different bureaucracies dictating what you can and cannot have for healthcare and they will be insuring <smirk> that you die right on time.
>You mean like NHS, that worldwide laughing stock? No thanks
HAH, that's rich. It's the American healthcare system that's the laughing stock of the world.
Our education system is right behind it too.
>You mean like NHS, that worldwide laughing stock? No thanks.
that's what the media and medics want you to believe, so that they can profit from a privatized health care system, welcome to neoconservatism/neoliberalism
That explains why Canadians come to this country to get their healthcare. They can't get what they need in Canada.
Socialized medicine doesn't work -- the same as socialized anything else. Government run healthcare means less quantity, lower quality and long waiting lines.
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More Americans come to Canada for healthcare than Canadians go to the America. Our healthcare system is triaged, the sickest get first care. The rich fucks that feel that their sprained ankle needs an MRI are the ones that are flying to the states for that. Obviously some cancer trials and the like are only run in the states and that is a draw for some, but for the most part people stick to Canada for their healthcare.
>form an armed militia and pwn the gubment!
You are fairly autistic man, the point of my post was that those actions are exactly the ones that make you fit into the state's definition of a terrorist. Therefore being able to be legally and legitimately (for the majority at least) prosecuted, tortured, and maybe even killed.
Ever heard of a lone gunmen, 'You fucking moron' ?
Are you people retarded? Net Neutrality is the current standard in the US. ISPs are attempting to change that, and the net neutrality act will just prevent them from doing so.
show me the post were I said "form an armed militia"
>Ever heard of a lone gunmen, 'You fucking moron' ?
a smart person with enough resources could cause much more damage than a "lone gunmen", what's your point?
>You are fairly autistic man
You probably shouldn't judge anonymous people on the internet based on a couple of posts.
>the point of my post was that those actions are exactly the ones that make you fit into the state's definition of a terrorist. Therefore being able to be legally and legitimately (for the majority at least) prosecuted, tortured, and maybe even killed.
As a citizen, if the law is wrong, you have a moral right to stand up to it.
Of course, you should not be an idiot and get yourself arrested or caught breaking the law, that would be counter-productive.
My point was that your definition of who's a terrorist and who's a victim might be getting a bit skewed if you only listen to one side.
that wasn't me, I wrote >>45309720
that would be the most stupid thing to to, you have lots of brainwashed, armed idiots defending the US govt and US corporations, and even defending it overseas. you have to find an alternative
>Our healthcare system is triaged, the sickest get first care.
Triage also means that healthcare will be denied to those who it is determined will receive no benefit from it. Can you say "Death Panels," boys and girls.
The only reason Canadians put up with their healthcare is that, after paying exorbitant taxes to pay for it, they can't afford anything else.
That was also the point of my post, that is why i say you are fairly autistic, because you are arguing me with my same point...
That goes for you too, a lone gunman (sorry for the men part) is a smart person with enough resources that can cause the same or more damage than a group. Therefore you can be a terrorist all by yourself, no need of being legion.
>That was also the point of my post, that is why i say you are fairly autistic, because you are arguing me with my same point...
Then, that's not autism. That's sleep deprivation.
I simply disagree that learning infosec and building things makes you a terrorist.
It does matter, surely you have some sort of morale, a sense of right and wrong, don't you ?
Of course if you get to the point that the people in charge have to label you, it's a bit late to think about that, and then we do agree. But let's assume you can maintain good OPSEC.
>UK wants to make sure people know they're doing it.
>US does it anyway and tries to hide it.
>Land of the free, KEK.
>UK has been doing it, but wants to make it legal to use in (secret) court.
>US does it but uses FISA Courts
Both are police state shitholes.
>That goes for you too, a lone gunman (sorry for the men part) is a smart person with enough resources that can cause the same or more damage than a group. Therefore you can be a terrorist all by yourself, no need of being legion.
once again, what's your point?
I'm not a US/UK citizen, is not my interest to stop corruption there or to subvert your govt or whatever... it's YOUR job, as a US/UK citizen. you are the one interested in stopping this authoritarian trend, not me. I'm only giving ideas, and you bunch of cowards keep denying them. fine, then, wait for some magical entity to do it for you...
>i'm south american
ah, de ahí la mediocridad en los argumentos y la falta de capacidad para seguir el hilo de la discusión...
en fin, este tema ni siquiera nos compete, nuestros gobiernos son simples ovejas, y son terriblemente incompetentes, asi que, por más autoritarios que se muestren, tenemos el paraíso en el "ciberespacio"
Former military here. You'd be surprised how deep seated the revolutionary sentiment is in the armed forces. After all, our oath is to support and defend the Constitution, not the schlubs in government.
>our oath is to support and defend the Constitution
Then you're doing a shitty job.
The constitution has been shat on from such a great height that your swore an oath to a pile of politician crap with a valuable set of papers underneath.
¿Cómo no va a tener que ver con nosotros si nosotros terminamos haciendo todas las pelotudeces que ellos dejan a sus gobiernos hacer?
El paraíso del ciberespacio va a durar hasta que llegue el hacking a las villas. Me llaman 2 a 3 veces por mes "de claro" "de telecom" "de movistar" para chuparme datos. ¿Qué te parece que va a pasar cuando tengan acceso a computadoras como tienen ahora a celulares?
Well, its great to give you some kind of output on the possible directions your own countries may take.
>welfare states function
They don't function. There shouldn't even be any "welfare states" anyways. If there's some useless fuck being retarded, it shouldn't be on everyone who isn't retarded to help them stay retarded.
>m-muh stumpy veterans
>¿Cómo no va a tener que ver con nosotros si nosotros terminamos haciendo todas las pelotudeces que ellos dejan a sus gobiernos hacer?
leiste alguna vez un libro de historia latinoamericana? acá no somos cobardes como los yankees, y nuestros gobiernos nunca han sido estables.
>¿Qué te parece que va a pasar cuando tengan acceso a computadoras como tienen ahora a celulares?
el padrón electoral argentino (supongo que eres argentino...) es prácticamente público, con eso cualquiera puede tener información sobre tí. además, lo más probable es que nuestros gobiernos ya le dieron nuestra información personal a EE.UU... pero en serio, de qué les puede servir eso? nunca han sido capaces de controlarnos como a los yankees.
algún día la gente se va a aburrir de estas empresitas de mierda
En mi opinión debido a la inestabilidad nos logran vender un nuevo cuentito cada 10 años; sacado del cajón de "ideas que no funcionaron en casa".
No hablo de las empresas, hablo de criminales que llaman haciendose pasar por las empresas para armar profiles de cada persona que existe en el país. Lo hacen desde las carceles.
Mi problema es con las políticas de corte fascista en paises donde no se puede garantizar la seguridad, te terminan dejando maniatado ante la vida por pura política electoral y negociado corrupto.
At least something good came out of my shitty country. Now about Norway