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Cheating frauds general for the discussion of steroid stuff

Old thread >>35669848

>speed baking bread edition
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>>35676212
Enanthate will be going full gear at 4wks in
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>>35676211
Damn she crazy. You put your dick in crazy. What sort of shit is she saying?
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How much weight gain is realistically possible on a first cycle under the following conditions:

Bulk
Maintenance
Pre-contest cut?

Using 500mg Test E and 1000IU HCG, .5mg adex
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>>35676222
Unless you front load it to get levels up quicker.


>>35676197
kek
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>TFW big test flu hits me
>inject yesterday
>wake up feeling like a bay bay
>magic god juice saves humankind again
What is everyone doing today ? Leg day today!
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pls anons, sauce?
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>>35676232
Depends on how you react and your training routine

Nobody can tell you truthfully
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Test + EQ or Test + Dbol?
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>>35676232
>and 1000IU HCG, .5mg adex
Why?
Just run the test on its own, you don't need those other two and they won't do anything for you.
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>>35676232
dont go by weight you fool, go by look of physique and strength
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>>35676251
>Test + EQ or Test + Dbol?
For first cycle choose dbol
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>>35676222
OK so I've come up with two scenarios:

Febuary:
300tren/500 test e
March:
350tren/500 test e
April:
400 tren/200 test prop

OR

Febuary:
500 test/500EQ
March:
500 test/500EQ
April: 500test/500EQ/70 Var

?
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>>35676251
dbol will give you breasts if you arent lean and on your ai game like a champ when paired with test (or if you're bimbo because he doesnt aromatize at all)

eq for sure
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>>35676265
first one boss because as we said already, the eq may not even be fully going by the time you're up there in the thong
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>>35676252
Why not keep e2 conversion at bay? Granted I just got bloods done and my e2 levels are 11. So... not likely to get gyno, but as a precaution have it on hand.

And studies show hcg on cycle is better than not
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>>35676266
Fuck off. He'll be fine if he just takes an ai whilst hes on dbol
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>>35676282
Just teying to watch out for man's titties anon no need for the saltiness jeeze
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>>35676273
Yeah you're right; that's 12-16 weeks I'm looking at here. Fuck

Why not... test Feb-March and then tren month of april/latter part of march? I still have no idea how reactive I'll be to test
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>>35676192
Oldfag that's getting back in the game.
Not looking for sources, but I haven't bought anything since Operation Raw Deal and I want to know which UGL brands are good today. I know about Geneza and maybe a few others but some honest opinions based on experience would be nice, thanks in advance if anyone replies.

>really just looking for some decent Sust to get going again
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>>35676290
Sorry honey, it's just you're scaring the kids
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>>35676291
because tren run for a longer period of time will result in more cuts in the muscle and more capped delts and more everything that screams high androgen which wins bodybuilt shows, feel me?
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>>35676264
>>35676266
I've done test, and test + tren e before. Tren E seemed to go okay, but I couldn't handle the horniness and painful injection, ended up getting in less gym time because of it.

Will a serm work? Or does it have to be an AI?

I got some beginning of gyno symptoms on a long test cycle, so I want to sort that shit out before jumping on.
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>>35676305
I feel you... What about having caber on hand? You know, to make sure my dick still works after my cycle lol.

desu that's hella risky running the strongest steroid on earth for a young baby.
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>>35676314
Painful injection ? Or is it the feel after ?
My bum cheek hurts right now but its purely because I'm a baka and I injected a whole ml in less than 10secs

Try and warm your oil up
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>>35676314
I mean I've heard of a guy named dhb here only running raloxifene while cruising but besides that yes sir, take some kind of an ai

Ok I need sleeps niw

anon run your tren, Imm trying to live vicariously through you, see you in the morning
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>>35676345
its wise to have it on hand but apparently
e2 is what comverts into prolactin so if you keep e2 low you wont need to worry anout prolactin which can give you a soft dick for weeks... I would just have it on hand for the security

Ok sleep for real now
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>>35676230
Aside from telling me I should fuck hotter women, that she keeps "forgetting" things I left at her place she wants to return, and telling me she wants to be alone? A lot. She has a lot to say to me for a girl that wants me to leave her alone.
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>>35676363
>feel
Thank you for sage advice senpai
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So wait, bulbine natalensis and forskolin actually work to some degree? Moreover, bulbine natalensis seems to actually enhance other indicators like LH and FSH rather than shutting them down. Has anyone tried bulbine natalensis for an extended period?
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>>35676349
Both. The compound itself seems to have a burn feel to it, both 200mg/mL tren E and 75mg/mL Tren A, even mixed with the test and warmed up in water. Test E was fine though.

Hence I want to do something else, but I want to go overseas in 21 weeks, and if I do 12 weeks of cycle I can get EQ up fast by front loading it, but the long ester means it'll hang out and I wont recover fully before going over I think.

Maybe I can just use higher test, or add Mast E in instead.
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>>35676349
>>35676405

I should mention it was delts injection.
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Hey fraudsters, I think I've bought the wrong pins.

After I've injected there is always some oil left in the syringe where the plunger can't push past the neck. It's annoying to waste around 0.1ml per jab.

Also I couldn't find 1.5" 25g needles so I bought them in 1" which I'm worried isn't long enough to gone me much error margin when pinning glutes.
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>>35676411
>>35676405
Ahh right fella, never done Delts, just didn't need that many new spots
How will you do PCT if you're going oversees ?
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>>35676468
Going overseas in 21 weeks. That'll be enough time to recover from a 12 week cycle I can start in a week, or even the test now.

I think EQ is too long though, was looking at it's drop off rates at ceasing the cycle. Much slower to get out than enanthate esters.
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>>35676222
>tfw thinkgr is still using the sadguy name that you recommended
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>>35676557
I thought thinkgen was anon now

If this is true tho he's cooler then before he changed his trip
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>>35676583
haven't been here in a while, has sadguy not posted any of his CB? he would always get shit on when he did it as thinker. maybe he has learned
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>>35676594
Yeah he is pretty small but getting lean
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>>35676609
I thought thinker was chubby my memory is bad
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Mornin' /fraud/

How much Test E/week do I need to maintain blood levels of about 800-1000ng?
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>>35676625
No way to tell. Start with 100mg/wk (high-ish trt dose) and get bloods done after 4-6 weeks. Adjust from there
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>>35676649
Mh sighting

Are you shredded yet bb?
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>>35676649
Started there. Didn't expect that much variance though.
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have you guys met anyone IRL or online that has had permanent shutdown from long term gear use?
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>>35676625
http://steroidgraph.com/
Might help
>>35676694
Used to go to a bodybuilding gym, but how would you even tell ? A lot of them were old men that packed massive muscle so that's that
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>>35676667
If i was i wouldnt be on 4chan ;_;
This cut is only making me look worse, i swear

>>35676676
Everyone responds differently. Some docs have to prescribe as much as 150mg/wk to get patients into acceptable range. That being their opinion of acceptable, which is usually 600ng+.

Funny to think that someone with 500ng could make more use of it than someone with 800-1000ng due to differences in body chemistry
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>>35676667
>mostly homo
>shredded
pick 1

the day he becomes shredded is the day i respond to a craigslist ad for a gay dude to suck me off and fist my butt
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>>35676694

I think it would depend on your age as you get older I'm sure your t levels will begin to go down anyway. I think unless you'd be smashing it hard for 10 years + you would always recover with time.
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lost my old bookmark to buy pins, sryinges etc
any uk fraud in here that can help me out with a link?
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>>35676712
Jerry is down into the low 170s without a shred of abs in sight.

I once got to 180 and was still at least 15%, and a shitty 15% at that. It's not easy for everyone bb
Dont be h8n
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>>35676694
Permanent shutdown isn't a thing. The human body doesn't work in a way where not using something causes it to completely stop functioning
An examples of this are everywhere
Guy in a coma for several years still has function of his body (granted his strength will be very low but not gone completely) but his eyes where also out of action but he can still see ect ect
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>>35676750
You guys will make gains this year I promise
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>>35676750
you and jerry are yoyo dieters, never getting lean.
not hating, just projecting.
>tfw me too ;_;
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>>35676243
not even Google's seen it - brick OC?
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>>35676765
Thnx b. Sending kindahomo fairy dust wishes your way.

>>35676773
Tfw
Yoyo or not, we get down to low weights. We're just cursed with perfectly shitty fat distribution that hides any and all progress despite us.

And desu he actually has a lot of trouble eating enough to bulk. It's largely bad luck for him. Im the tru fatass with a binge eating disorder. Dont expect any pity for that. Ben and Jerrys is just better than sex at this point, let's be real
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Fresh mire off the press

Chilling with fwb before she leaves for school. One of her friends living with her saw me, stopped in her tracks, looked me up and down, and said "You look like a stripper, a fireman stripper!"

Th-thanks
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>>35676815
i too am a binge eater. you don't have to tell me about ice cream love.

maybe steroids aren't for us
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>>35676831
>hot mire
Did you hit on her with some witty comeback?
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>>35676836
>maybe steroids aren't for us
Don't say things like that

You know how helpful this is gonna be when lean and bulking 4real? I'm gonna go full Rich Piana 30LBS 4 MONTHS LOVE IT KILL IT mode. Hour of cardio ed, eat till i puke. Gonna be so much fun
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>>35676844
Im a little stoned and didnt think fast enough
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Fuck yeah! 7 months after first cycle I can shoot cum again! Was kinda OK with it only dribbling out although it looked sad.
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>>35676741
Exchange supplies
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>>35676916
Is this the new "steroids are for Manlet faggots"?
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>>35676916
Bit weird mate, I can hit the ceiling with mine on cycle
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>>35676914
>well I do turn on the hoes
Legs will be spread straight away with that
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>>35676924
I hope so cause it made me laugh. I hope osteoporosis guy is OK. He hasn't posted in a minute
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>>35676932
For me it was just very light and liquid, prolly just more semen.
Once off for about a month I was pumping thick creamy lumps again.
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>>35676966
Wew lad nice one

I thought of telling her I actually was a stripper after I thanked her for the compliment
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>>35676984
I just threw up a little in my mouth

>pic related
I ain't carrying this conversation love
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>>35676997
can you post a current body pic my man
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A basic and cheap cycle for strength? by cheap i mean the main substances, no additional for aesthetics
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>>35677011
Have you used gear before?
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>>35676997
Grills be retarded
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>>35677005
Sorry breh
>inb7 scared
I am, 4chan scares me
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>>35677029
oh fair enough
you can just cover up any tatoos or anything that might identify you in ms paint
just new to fraud and you seem pretty knowledgeable so was just curious what you looked like
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>>35677014
I did plan a cycle but got busy with uni, what i meant is i dont want shit to help me lose weight after gaining 100 kg because dirty bulk, i just want to know which test is the best one for strength and something to acompany the test.
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>>35677034
>you seem pretty knowledgeable
Yeah, you must be new Lel
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>>35677039
500 mg test e split in to two pins every week
40 - 60 mg dbol every day
Have an AI on hand for controlling your estro if needed
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>>35677040
Hey give yourself some credit
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You guys are so nice lately. Everyone's being chill af and I get a sense of community here again. Good going guys.

Thanks for listening to my lady troubles too. You nerds are a dope outlet.
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>>35677069
:3
>y-you too
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>>35677069
I come here for the lady discussions
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>>35677044
Thanks breh
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>>35676277
>And studies show hcg on cycle is better than not

Should run HCG during week 6-7 and 13-14 at 1000IU/week if you're running a regular 12 week test-only cycle.
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>>35677085
Super good discussions with a lot of varied input. Really good for that.

Especially when my go to reaction is "ignore them" or "fuck them passive". Idk that to with crazy though, crazy for me usually results in them puppy dogging me. Not telling me they want to date and then 180 on me or telling me to fuck off every other text while asking me questions.
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>>35677089
It's just the recommended beginner cycle and dbol is great for strength. GL you will only get out what you put in
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>>35676277
Provide studies
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>>35676277
>While unlikely gynecomastia and excess water retention are possible due to HCG use
The steroid knowledge website says you don't know what you are talking about https://www.steroid.com/HCG.php
>HCG dose of 250iu every 4-5 days is not only standard but as far as most will want to take it
You are taking more than 4 times the typical dose while on cycle
If you were using it to pct 1000 is typical but you are not doing that
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Why do you guys use steroids? i was just thinking why im going to use them and im curious as to why you guys use them
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>>35677165
For shits and giggles
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>>35677165
So I can pretend I'm Rich Piano
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>>35677165
I like stabbing myself twice a week
Feels good and makes me happy

How does it feel buying all those expensive supps that do fuck all, Mr natty ?
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>>35677172
Hey that's what I say when this question is asked
>>35677165
To look good naked. To lift heavier weights. And because of those 2 things feel better about myself
Also I am low test but not low enough to get prescription trt so I could say medical reasons but that's not the real reason. I only found out that I was low test after getting pre first blast bloods done
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>>35677165
The testosterone makes me feel like a god. The godlike body is only a bonus.
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>>35677196
>not realising creatine is the most powerful steroid of all

>>35677198
You snooze you lose
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>>35677172
Fair enough

>>35677196
Not judging, was just curious. Also the only thing i actually use is creatine

>>35677198
im sorry breh
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>>35677215
>creatine
I inject that shit right into my almonds. Everyone knows Its the best. That's how you activate the almonds senpai~~
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>>35677240
You are going to get got now. You can't just share a trade secret like that
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>>35677248
B-but they don't know which one is the most effective

Oh and is anyone using some special fraud workout routine ? What are your plans ? I just do what I did with more weights and more accessories
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Is tb500 suppressive?

Taking some for an injury and never gave it any thought.
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What's more effective for a moderate cycle
5 day split or 4 day full body ?
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>>35677347
Why don't you people actually fucking research shit before you inject your body with foreign substances
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>>35677386
I do, so far I've found nothing that says it is and this was before I took it.

Asking here to see if anybody else has had suppression because it's nice to expand the field.
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>>35677396
I'm sorry I didn't mean to sound like an asshole. But you shouldn't need to ask this question. It doesn't supress
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>>35677386
Silly anon, asking on Thai ladyboi image boards is research
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>>35677425
Fair deal.
I'm pretty fastidious about this shit so was weighing up whether or not I should get another blood test because I got one 8 weeks ago before starting tb500 with some MGF.
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>>35677445
I would have the blood test. It will tell you about your test for peace of mind and if the tb500 is doing anything nasty to your body. At the end of the day, it's a research chemical
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>>35677464
Ugh, probably.
It's 110 bucks though.
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>just got a call from a recruitment office
>they offer me a job as head of warehouse and export for an huge chemical company
>ask me right away what my salary expectations are
>tell them i earn x euros a month (i lie, i add 340 euro to actual salary)
>they tell me this isnt a problem
>if they wanna hire me I will still add 200 to that fictional number
>if that works i will have increased my monthly salary with 540 euros

fuark that would be so neato
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>>35677586
>discussing salary with recruitment agents
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>>35677601
sure why waste your time with the whole procedure when in the end you wont get what you want?
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>>35677586
That's fucking good man, what part of Europe do you live in ?
I really want to move out from britbongistan but drugs and what not are so easy to get here
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>>35677612
can you post a current body pic my man
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>>35677612
sheeeit to sit in office with some manager
convince him i'm the man for the job

then with a straight face tell him my salary demands

if he says no i'll just say that in that case i prefer to not change my current position

which is true

i'm not gonna change jobs when i gain nothing from it
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>>35677606
>fucking black whores raw and still sees value in life
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>>35677633
once i become a boss i will get all the premium white bitches

lol @ people last night believing i'm a millionaire tho

i really trolled them hard
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Has anybody tried (or know anybody that's tried) an Ostarine only cycle before, when they hadn't taken steroids previously?

How did it go?
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>>35677642
Why don't you fuck them now?
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>>35677656
Not really worth it. Shut down happens anyway. You may as well just pin test, it's cheaper than ost too
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>>35677666
>shutdown

Yeah it's extremely varied in what I see in terms of shutdown/supression though.

Some people get it, others don't.
I wish I knew what that determining factor was. Age? Having done previous cycles? Something else? I dunno.
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>>35677628
I will post once km done with le cycle
Let's just say I'm 6'2 205lbs and I'm not lean
I might take one tonight idk
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>>35677656
Yeah but I switched over to LGD, which is a lot better, which is also a lot better when added to test apparently. Which I'll try. Don't bother with Osta, go straight to LGD.

>>35677666
It's not shutdown, it's test suppression.
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>>35676232
>Bulk
depends on how much you eat
>Maintenance
nothing
>Pre-contest cut
nothing, you will lose weight
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Dear diary,
>Milf still watches my snapchats
19/1/16
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>>35676381
>e2 is what comverts into prolactin
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>>35677691
>It's not shutdown, it's test suppression.

Excuse me, but I'm a dumbass.

Can you tell me the difference?
Do test levels "come back" after suppression? I'm guessing after you've lost all your gains.
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With a lot of vodka comes a lot of vascularity.
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>>35677695
Technically speaking you can gain weight on maintenance or cut if your protein synthesis is high enough and you have some body fat to spare.

IIRC, bodyfat tissue is 90% fat, and muscle tissue is 75% water and 18% protein.

It's somewhere in the vicinity of 1g of body fat has 8-10x more caloric value than 1g of muscle tissue.

For example, if you went 100 cal under your TDEE, lost 17g of fat, gained 50g of muscle tissue, that would be about metabolically balanced, with a net weight gain while under your TDEE.
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>>35677737
you arent accounting for the loss of subcutaneous water weight loss as a result of fat loss tho
but sure
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>>35677661
He is forever grateful to nigress who took his virginity.

If he ever dates a white bitch he better pray she never catches him fapping black trannies.
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>>35677734
what do you mix it with?
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>>35677732
There's a negative feed back loop that balances your steroid hormones in the body. If for example your body makes x mg or x ng/dl of testosterone per day, and you take x/2 externally.. this will be suppression not shut down.

As your natural levels will decrease to x/2, and essentially be maintained at x. Your LH and FSH levels will decrease. This makes taking any amount under your natural level to try and "Add" to it completely useless.

If you take x or much greater than x of testosterone (the useful way.. what we do), then your body will try to reduce it to get back to normal levels but it cant, so it'll essentially be turned off, and your LH and FSH will be off as well, this is shut down.

A SARM like LGD doesn't interfere too much in the feed back loop, testosterone is reduced somehow, but not through reducing LH and FSH. So it's light suppression.. since the normal LH and FSH levels are still there (the hormones that produce testosterone in your body in the leydig cells).

Which is actually weird to have lowered test but normal LH and FSH, but beneficial. As once the LGD clears from your system recovery is rapid and quick and tapers off and gets slower as it approaches 100% like a curved graph.

So yes, your test levels come back, you don't lose your gains, that's a meme. LGD doesn't tend to have water retention or bloat, or increased glycogen stores in muscles, so there's not much to lose once your come off.

Unlike dbol, when your drop dbol even if you stay on test you lose the water retention etc.

When people lose the water retention and glycogen off some of the steroids they think they're losing their gains, but they're not.
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>>35677787
Mix?
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We dont tend to count that as body mass, unless it's part of actual body tissue, like the 10% water in fat tissue, or 75% water in muscle tissue.
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>>35676192
what roids would i need to heal tendon pain/ damage?
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>>35677824
There's a few options, if you specifically want steroids, then it's going to be imho 150-200mg Test E (over 200mg inhibits tendon strength increases etc), and Equipoise/EQ at a higher dosage. EQ has a huge rate of collagen synthesis.

LGD also binds to tendons and bones, and people report healing on it.

TB500 and BPC157 injectable non-performance enhancing peptides supposed to work wonders.
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>>35677873
Did some checking up on it, and others allege difference between collagen types, and need of adding HGH to EQ to get the whole benefit. You'll need to do your research.

I'd run TB500 if I had an injury.
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some guys has offered me £30 to see a picture of my dick....would I be homo if I sent it? Vial of test right there
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how essential is caber when taking tren?
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>>35677962
Not massively I don't think, if you can keep your propactin under control through controlling your eostrogen you should be ok........that said ive never ran tren so I dont know
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>>35677962
Low prolcatin in men isnt bad for you so you can take caber during your cycle to be safe.
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>>35677942
Half the money first then do it
Not a bad deal desu senpai
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>>35677942
send some random dick pic with time stamp shopped into
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>>35677991
>>35677992
Asked how he'll pay
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So I was attempting to bleed myself and afterward i developed phlebitis in the top of my hand where i stuck the needle.

I believe the needle i used was too large. Should I see a doctor about this? will it go away soon?
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>>35677791
Fascinating, that's expanded my knowledge.

I'd get LGD but the supplier here in Australia only has Ostarine or Sarms Forte (which is 1/3 times as strong as Ostarine if I'm reading this shit correctly) so I'm afraid that's what I have to use as I don't trust myself to self medicate.

I'd have enough to take for 10 weeks straight, which is I'm assuming how I'd run a course of it, if it's split up how do you split it?

Also taking it with CJC1295/Ipamorelin and Peg-Mgf. Starting all this in a month or so.
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>>35678018
I have a large and noticable lump that developed after removing the needle. Its maybe 1 inch long and a third of an inch tall
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>>35678018
You mean plebeitis, if you have a fever I would, if probably just watch if for a day or so.....hope you don't dead breh
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>>35678014
If he says PayPal, bale out.. Too easy to fake it
Made quite a bit from tricking people on csgo with skins
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>>35678037
you must be such a poor scummy council estate rat if you have resort to that to make a bit of money
christ
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>>35678031
yeah feel like a fucking idiot.

never trying this again. only got about half what i wanted to get out anyways. jesus christ.
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>>35678037
Paypal or post :(
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can HGH make my dick grow?
4.5 inches erect has ruined all my confidence with women
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Anything to do to counter Isotretinoin fell-like-shititis? More cardio less cardio more food less food, anything's welcome
>tfw already past the explosion of whitehead phase... I-i can see the aesthetics coming out
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>can't discuss sources
Goddamn I got test from a new source and this pip hurts
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Will you get any fat gains if you eat at +1500 NATTY maintenance while pinning 1g test and 500mg deca a week?

My diet will be really clean.

45-50protein/30-35 fat/15-20 carbs (only high fiber mashed lentils and root vegetables, no potatos either).

Also have caber and aromasin.

Really afraid of deca moonface or water bloat, I can have erectile dysfunction for all I care.
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>>35677675
how bunk it is the determining factor friend
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>>35677791
>testosterone is reduced somehow, but not through reducing LH and FSH
not true, it doesnt seem to affect LH to a statistically significant degree but FSH is lowered significantly
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>>35678188
So people who get shutdown got bunk?

Because there are varying accounts of people who got gains that they kept with no/minimal sides whereas some got gains but were suppressed heavily or shut down.

Maybe instead of a SARM they got some test variant because it's cheaper?
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>>35678208
also: FSH returned to baseline 35 days after cessation w/o pct of any kind
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>>35678093
no
androgens might if youre still in puberty but otherwise no
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So more importantly, would you rather fuck a fat (not like ducking massive, more probably classed as obese) chick or a chick with an acne face?.....ive gone for a fat chick so log as the face is cute
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>>35678111
lower the dose, increase duration
>>35678182
probably
also 50% protein is way too high unless youre cutting hard
fat is probably too high as well (hard to tell from percentages)
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>>35678242
Well if you're comparing slightly fat/"chubby" with miss Pizzaface it's not a fair comparison, if it's slight acne (ie. easily concealed with makeup) then acne girl.
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>>35678242
It blows my mind the number of hot girls that do have acne now I think about it.

I went out a few times with this girl when I was 19 who was like, model hot, movie star hot. I came to her house to pick her up one day and she answers the door without make up and I mean, she's still hot but she had a lot of acne at the time.
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>>35678242
Fat chick pls
>>35678260
Fat chick because pic related
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>>35678242
hard to pick without examples
both depend on how severe it is
>>35678265
makeup causes acne
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>>35678258
Thanks senpai on lower dose of the 'tane
TUDCA also helps?
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>>35678182
Yes. Probably a lot actually. Lower your surplus.
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>>35678279
tudca helps if its liver related which it very well might be
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Done 2 cycles before, have been wanting to do a tren e / test e / dbol cycle.

Can you guys give some insight if this is good or if I need to tweak something?

Tren e 200mg / week 10 weeks - Inject once a week
Test e 500mg / week - 12 weeks - Inject once a week
Dbol 50mg ED first 7 weeks

Weeks 1-12 arimidex .25 mg (1/4th) Every Other Day

HCG 1000 iu / week from week 1 to week 14 (14.000 iu needed)

PCT starts 2 weeks after last test inject

Week 14 - Nolva 40mg ED, Clomid 100mg ED
Week 15 - Nolva 40mg ED, Clomid 100mg ED
Week 16 - Nolva 20mg ED, Clomid 50mg ED
Week 17 - Nolva 20mg ED, Clomid 50mg ED
Week 18 - Nolva 20mg ED, Clomid 50mg ED
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>>35678182

Mate, I am ULTRA carb sensitive.

I have absolutely no choice but having protein and fat macros that high.

Even with proper AI and a mild cycle I simply cannot eat more than 150g carbs or else I go from practically no lovehandles to having a massive spare tire and my slim fit jeans being ultra tight without anything in the pockets (normally it's loose even with a cased galaxy s6 and a wallet).

150g carbs on a 4000 cal is ridiculous, but some people just have shit genetics.
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>>35678265
I'm pretty sure now that all girls have acne, and girls hormones are all sorts of fucked and they're never stable at all.....they get moody randomly, there's no way of understanding them and they have the acne. Chicks seem to be on a permanent hirmonal roller coaster
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>>35678297

Sorry meant for

>>35678258
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told recruitment agency i'll let them know something

i wont

i already found out what company it is and applied directly

fuck those recruitment offices

lol
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>>35678297
id wager you have some weird eating habits like extremely high sodium or maybe some food intolerance or something
never heard anyone be that sensitive to carbs
but whatever, do whatever you want
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>>35678268
Fair point but I assumed it's known beforehand the extent of the damage.
If it's a girl with apparent acne in social situations then eject, because if she can't conceal that shit then it's out of control
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>>35678241
what am I supposed to do then
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>>35678340
deal with it
or maybe become tranny
theres probably some dong expansion surgeries but im sure theyre all shit
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>>35678328

salt doesn't cause issues, when on low carb i'd eat salted peanuts, sausages, cheeses and other shit that greatly exceeds the minimum req and i was fine.

the moment I touch fast food/noodles/rice/bread/pizza/snackie cakes though...
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>>35678346
>deal with it
>or maybe become tranny
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>>35678352
could be some gluten issue by the sounds of it
id try to figure that out before doing anything else cus that shit aint normal
but as i said before, if low carb works for you by all means keep doing it
id recommend increasing fat over protein though
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If im running 500 sust/week should i start pct 2 or 3 weeks after cycle?

b/c of decanoate 3 weeks, right?
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>>35678366

Yeah I suppose I could eat more fatty food.

Fatty minced meat, sausages, nuts and other shit cost like 1/4th the amount of lean protein and I guess I can still get my 250-300g protein with it.
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What makes tren so good for cutting exactly?
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>>35678390
I'd probably start 2 weeks after like with test e. If you haven't alreay purchased the sustanon though....don't.....get a single ester
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>>35678434
Por Que?
I wanted to run sust for the shorter esters so i could run npp and effectively pin MWF
(and test prop is x3 price of sust)
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>>35678403
yeah thats what id do
>>35678427
inhibits glucocorticoid hormones, enhances protein synthesis, increases nitrogen retention, increases IGF-1 levels
basically its a super strong androgen that also has great anabolic properties with an emphasis on anti-catabolism
theres some theories that says it causes you to burn some excess carbs off as heat because reasons but i havent seen any actual data on this
>>35678448
get enanthate and maybe 1 vial of prop to frontload if you want to
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>>35678448
Npp needs pinning eod max. I'd run deca and test e or Npp and test prop......or run sustanon and have 4 different esters going off
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>>35678290
>>35678290
The pct is overkill. Take AI as needed and not necessarily on a set schedule but that's a good starting point. You're better off dropping hcg and picking up TUDCA for 7 weeks of dbol
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>>35678290
Split the injections to twice a week
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What's up you sexy assholes? Is 1" needle okay if I'm pretty lean? Planning my first cycle.
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>>35678587
>selling needles for a living
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>>35677962
Not essential imho.

I take low test with tren and usually use other non aromatizing compounds so it's not of concern for myself.

If you used dbol etc then I would worry about it.
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>>35678634
1" is what should always be used.

I'm very lean and hit delts, quads, glutes you name it with it 25gauge 1 inch.
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>>35678661
Thanks m80. Conflicting views on different forums. Some guys swear by 1.5" but either they're fat in their avatar or there's no pic.
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>>35678649
What? Why?
Dbol isnt a 19-nor?
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>>35678731
I know but it raises estrogen big time.

Prolactin itself won't to shit to you as far as gyno goes. It only causes it with elevated levels of estrogen.
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>>35678795
OH!

Sorry, did you mean if your taking dbol aswell as tren you should get caber?

I thought you meant you should get caber if you are taking dbol regardless.
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>>35676192
GUys this is a bid day for me

Workout with qt neighbor
She tells me im not fat and i look good
MFW 2 years ago I was 320 lbs and I have always been obese
MFW we went to her apartment to fuckzz
she drinks 2 much
vomits all night
MFW no pussy but still got awesome compliment

Fraud I did this
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>>35678946
FL?
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>>35678965
FL? IDK bro Another anon
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holy fuck the only thing keeping me alive right now is caffeine and ephedrine, I hate early classes with the burning passion of a dying star

ooh jm popped his misshapen head back in here, cool

I think I'm going to start calling you harvey, like harvey dent
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What would be the best way of evening out my quads? My right one looks a good but bigger and its annoying. I'm thinking 1 leg leg press and isolated leg extensions.
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>>35678466
I know a few older experienced guys who swear by 100-150mg tren ed as a stronger fatburner. Only way to slow down fat loss is to increase fats.
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>>35679162
Pretty much yeah, do some single leg work and you'll notice a weakness in one side. Work to get them as strong as one another
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>>35678926
Yeah :P

I can see where the confusion came from
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>>35679194
juicin j does tren increase gyno likely? Also If I take tren will I experience sides? Even in super low doses?
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>>35679194
Also I lose glycogen a lot faster. Just need to eat a lot more carbs with tren.
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>>35679215
Prolactin/progesterone induced gyno is possible. I use asin and p5p to lower estrogen and prolactin.
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>>35679249
sweet. test is real good btw. thanks. making the fatt fall right off on a crazy deficit plus bronkaid for ephederine. Thanks.

Are you a body builder or work close with them?
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In for pinning gf with 15mg test p e3d to have her libido matched with my 850 tren.
Who else know these sex slave feels?
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>>35679194
yeah it makes sense given the profuse sweating most people experience
its just that nobody has ever given a satisfactory explanation for the mechanism
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>>35679270
Nice.

I don't do bodybuilding for sport or money, no. I know some online and from another gym. My best source of knowledge is an endocrinologist who extracts info from competitors, including ifbb pros by asking their drug stacks and taking their blood work.
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in for chicas
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>>35679423
thats awesome. Thanks again. What is the best macro choice for cutting fat and keeping muscle? I have heard all over , High protein low fat and carb?
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>>35676412
Hnnng

>friday night
>have 8/10 female chica friend over for drinks
>wanted to fuck her forever
>get her into my bed finally
>pound the shit outta her
>nut on her face
>she falls asleep
> i wake up look over in the night shes layin just like pic related
>same ass
>pulled her panties down and licked her asshole for maybe 20 straight minutes
>jerked it and busted a nut on her ass
>shes awake the whole time
>fuck 1 more time in the morning
>after i bust we're layin there and she starts pokin my upper chest and gigglin
>ive been workin upper chest alot lately guess its startin to show
>Starts poking my bicep
>'anon i think u need to see a doctor. Never seen an arm so big and swollen before hehe'
>Mirin
>send her home
>tfw i have a 7/10 gf but cant stop fuckin around with random 8s
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>>35679507
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>>35679708
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GUys is fucking my neighbor a bad idea? We live in apartments like directly next door to each other. I went over last night cuddled a little bit but no sex. Should I? She is kinda fat but a sweet ass that I would like to plow
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need help anons, should i start first cycle with MK or LGD?
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>>35679790
test e
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>>35679770
Not yet. If she's living right next to you, then you need to assess the crazy. See how weird she is with her exes (not saying you'll date her, but she might not be on the same page as you...), and if she tends to get riled up out of proportion. If shit goes south, for whatever reason, having someone that hates you living right next to you in an apartment would fucking suck.
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>>35679863
>>35679770

Don't shit where you eat.

Don't fuck where you can awkwardly bump into someone you fucked once daily.
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>>35679770
Id do it if she's fit mate
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>>35679976

this is only true if you have any shame in your game

not giving a fuck truly is the answer to all of life's problems
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Running tren a 60mg per day. Ran tren e before but not tren a. I'm on day 8 now, not feeling any different and I know it's supposed to hit you quick. Think my stuff is bunk... Only thing giving me slight hope is last 3 nights I've had extremely vivid sex dreams consistently and I usually have maybe 1 a month max. I read tren can do that. But no night sweats, no pumps yet, no harder breathing. I'll definitely give it some more time but still worried. Any experiences like this?
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>>35679999
I still wouldn't shit where I ate.
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>>35679994
shes not she has a pregnant belly. But that ass is fat. I think I am into her because she is broken. and has daddy issues. Seriously turns me on plus her ass is niiiice and wide and can imagine licking and loving it passionately
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Fugg my balls and abs hurt.
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Well boys.

I'm taking 17 hours this semester

I'm retaking calculus 1 for the third fucking time. This time I'll do the homework and get a B I promise

Fug
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>>35680465
Do we need to go dadmode and lecture you?
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>>35680465
>calculus 1 for the third time
Lol brainlet
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>>35679272
Man am I jelly

Please report your future observations senpai
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>>35680490
Pls no. I can't handle the lecture

>>35680515
I average 85s on the tests but last time I took it, I did the first homework assignment and then said fuck this and didn't do any more homework. Ended up with a D
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>>35680465
whatever lets you sleep at night.
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>>35680465

thank fucking christ I will never have to take anything beyond stats next semester

it's never a comprehension or implementation problem with me, always a retention thing which is like 100% just doing practice problems until my eyes bleed

jfc I'm never going to use this bullshit, just let me learn medical stuff in peace

FUCK
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>>35680524
Will do.
She hates needles and always covers her eyes whenever i pin.
Told her its either this or im gonna end up cheating on her eventually.
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>>35680625
Why not anavar?
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I have a 10ml bottle of test blend, it'll last me 10 weeks and I thought should I put it to 20 different syringes ready for each injection or will it contaminate if I keep it in the bottle? How should I go about it, vials would have been much simpler but the bottle saved me money.
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>>35680658
Might try it later. Test alot better for her imo
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How long does it usually take for USA based sources to ship domestically?
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>>35680673
It's olive oil mate
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>>35676192
I'm about to start a 4 week cycle of Super DMZ + 4-Andro followed by PCT with LGD-4033. Any thoughts on this lads?
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>>35680559
I don't have any of those issues. I retain just about everything even if I'm playing games on my phone during lecture. I just have no motivation to do shitty ass homework
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>>35680132
is the pic fake?
more info?
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>>35680687
well how should I go about on preserving this olive oil I got?
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>>35680798
Leave it in the vial. Until you're gonna pin
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>>35680686
Got my package within 4 days of payment. Lv99

But sourcing is all he does
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>>35679770
It's too late bro. She's already attached feelings. Whatever bad may happen WILL happen now. Just go ahead and fuck it won't change anything
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>>35679863
Please listen to this. Holy shit.
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>>35680783
Bro if you're averaging 85's I don't think you're retaining much. Just apply yoself nigga
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>>35680827
>But sourcing is all he does
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>>35680922
Lol.
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>>35680922
Got any of that there NPP?
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>>35680959
Not currently, no.
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>>35680983
Lame!
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>>35680922
It's okay bro. You're setting yourself up for something better.

Phenomenal customer service btw.
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>>35680994
I tried to get the NPP, I really did.

Nah though, NPP and Deca volume has been way up this winter, I didn't anticipate that at all.
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>>35681015
>Phenomenal customer service btw.
Fucking hell mate, he's only responding to an email
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>>35681055
kek this 2bh. It's really not hard to have good customer service
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>>35681055
He's friendly, informative, and quick. It isn't particularly hard, but that's why it's so frustrating when you don't find that. Just tryna pay the nigga a compliment.
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>>35681055
I don't really regard it as anything special, yeah. Actually, providing good customer service saves me time and headaches.

>>35681071
A lot of sources are short on communication, I guess. Customers seem appreciative of even payment receipt emails. Whenever I miss a day or two on my usual T/A I'm usually apologizing profusely by email about it, hah.

>>35681132
Thanks m8.
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If I'm cycling and notice no water retention or sensitive nips, do I even need to use an AI? IS the consensus to not use it UNTIL you sense sides or use it regardless "just to be safe?"
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>>35681285
Everybody is different. Use as needed. Couple guys need asin eod cruising while bimbo doesn't touch AI unless hitting phat doses of dbol.
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>>35681285
I dunno people are kind of autistic about this steroid stuff

Sometimes I just skip pins my injection cycle is really fucked up, I don't use an AI, I don't think this shit matters that much
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>>35681309
[three thumbs up emojis]
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>>35681034
That's the good stuff man.
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>>35681285
Use it when you need too. People get to worked up about how they might get sides while on so they take it from day one and they complain about low estro sides
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>>35681319
Neh it's only your hormones mate
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>>35681428
I just take cialis to keep the dick healthy and accutane to avoid acne

Problem solved
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>>35681358
Next you'll tell me this Anadrol isn't in fact poison and worth selling.
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>>35681459
>Problem solved
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>>35681459
>take things to fix a portion of the problem
>problem solved
I mean if you don't mind dealing with the other sides sure it's kind of solved I guess
>>
sheeet

another recruitment agency proposed a job to me today

this one sent an email with a short description of the job and a salary offer right away

fuark it's such good deal

i feel like boss lyf is really going to happen in 2016 guy

my dad is gonna be so pleased when i tell him about the shekels

also just got back from my exam supply chain management and it went real well

fuarlk 2016 year of advancement
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>>35681459
>Fix the symptoms
>Not the underlying cause

It's because of retards like you the politicians and cops get to continue their "muh deadly steroids" tirades.
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>>35681581
>take the job
>get laid off in 4 months
>nobody will hire you because everyone thinks you'll leave whenever you get an offer
Watch out
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is there a point to roiding if i have severe social anxiety disorder caused most likely by low test?

tried everything else at this point, if it doesn't work ill find some heroin and OD
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>>35681692
>severe social anxiety disorder caused most likely by low test?

Uhh, then you go to the doctor and get TRT. Or if you don't qualify for it, you can try a 200mg/week dose on yourself and see if it helps the anxiety.

If it does, go see another doctor and crash your test levels with no survivors right before you go in for the bloodtest. Voila, you get TRT for life and you'll be a happy autist.
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>>35681721
What if he's afraid of the doctor
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>>35681581
>not planning to kill yourself in 2016
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>>35681741
Then he'll have to finance his own TRT and spend a lot more money for lesser quality gear.

For life.
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>>35681721
>>35681741
can't wait that long + i want to roid anyway

feel like i can't make it more than another month or so without dropping dead
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>>35681581
what do you do for work fAm?
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>>35681602
when you never take a chance you will never get where you wanna be

i've taken a lot of risks on quitting and walking out to get better deals and it worked everytime

i would still be a manual worker if i had not done that
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>>35681776
Why would you have to wait? Did you even read what I wrote?

Yes, I understand you want to roid. What I'm saying is that if the testosterone on your cycle makes you less anxious, you've pinpointed the cause and can get TRT later on.

God damn, you're dense.
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>>35681776
You serious?

Do you need to vent?

I'm being serious here.
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>>35680886
yo bro
that bitch do anything else today?
>>35679106
Yo brick, I'm gonna talk to a recruiter this week about all the shit we talked about yesterday. Wanted to say thanks for the advice brah
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>>35681776
Shit breh test takes like 4 weeks to kick in anyway
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>>35681802
no cuz i also have severe fatigue from it, so even doing basic stuff is like being tortured. no motivation to do anything + severe fatigue + no energy at all = i just want to die unless i can cure this
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>>35681782
i work in logistics department of manufacturing plant

one offer is for similar position but big increase in salary

other offer is for team leader of manual workers in freight forwarding company. i dont like the job but the pay is even better than the first offer. and my dad says money is more important than enjoyment or fulfilment
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>>35681830
Roid up

Yolo
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>>35681830
You probably don't care to hear this but I know exactly how you feel.

What helped me was when I came to the realization that it was all in my head. I was laying in bed trying to fall asleep but couldn't because I was sick to my stomach I was so depressed. I asked what the fuck was wrong with me and it just clicked. My mind had the power to actually make me ill. It was that powerful. My whole dilemma was caused by depression in my head. I told myself that if my mind was powerful enough to actually hurt my body, it should be powerful enough to make me heal. I woke up the next day and looked forward to the day. Legit, genuine, hope and ambition to the day. My life turned around completely once I just thought differently. It is true that positive thoughts can attract positive energy to you. Good luck bro
>>
What is weirder....the fact JM is a real person or the fact that someone could make such a fucked in the head character up?
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>>35681887
yeah except i actually got blood work done to verify low test
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>>35681891
I'm gonna go with the latter tbqh senpai
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>>35681891
you can talk all the shit you want

at the end of the day i have a lot of money in my bank and i am getting closer to boss lyf everyday
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>>35681887
One of the nicest things I've ever read on here, nice one breh. It's true though, simply putting a smile on your face right now can help you feel better about things.
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Test if my posting is still posting errors
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>>35681953
congrats
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>>35681923
Nice bruh.

I'am happy for you.

If you want it, you can get it.
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I have never have
>tfw no gf
feels except when I watch this girls videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL80eUUenFE
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Thinking about popping a quarter of a viagra and fucking asian qt all night. Is this a bad idea? Anyone ever taken viagra for the purpose it was made for?

Anyone ever taken viagra for the purpose it was meant to be used?
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>>35682023
love her
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>>35681830
If you are willing to take a SARM for a while and make sure your test is low low before getting bloods done that is an option. You will get prescription trt but you might have to put up with feeling like worse shit for even longer before that point tho

>>35681887
You might not want to hear this but test isn't some magic chemical that can fix your depression or even your other symptoms. You should go to a doctor and while there ask to get a reference to a good psychologist. A lot of your problems could be inside your head and you should try to get the help you deserve. Be open with these people they are there to help you

If you have any questions about anything or want to talk about anything we are here for you as much as people on the Internet can be there for each other. Best of luck friend you can make it
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>>35682023
Why do you watch it then?

It's like when i watch dan Brazillians life. Look how rich he is, while I'm in poverty.

Life is so though.. shit.

All the money and girllssss.

Try to be happy with the things you got. Don't take anything for granted.

C'est la vie
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>>35681581
How much are the salaries that you have been offered?
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>>35682016
thanks breh

i feel unstoppable

if i get this, i will have over 1000 euros gross monthly increase in salary compared to the job i was fired from before i got my current one

it's fucking unbelievable

if i get it i'm gonna print out my salary letter and show it to my ex coworkers

make them melt down
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>>35682039
>not running 10mg cialis ed for them sweet bp and boner gains
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>>35682089
current salary 2660 euros a month gross

proposed salary 3200 euros a month + 40% shift work bonus (not sure what that means)
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>>35682111
That's a really big upgrade.

That euphoric feeling when you see that money on your bank account.

It is the same function as your current?
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>>35682111

Will you send them pics of your hairline too?
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former salary 2250 euros a month gross lmao
this was less than 2 years ago ....
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>>35682136
this is serious question fellow anon. Should I?
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>>35676192

Guys, I recently shot 250mg of Testosterone E (1 day ago actually). Hours later my heart started to beat faster and has continue to do it, I wasn't able to sleep all night, yet I felt pretty good emotionally compared to my usual mood.

Now, I've develop an insanely stiff neck with a headache. I know Test E ins't supposed to kick in till 3 or 4 weeks into it. What the fuck is going on, am I dying?
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>>35682178
Cialis, not Viagra, and yes.
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>>35682181
What else have you been doing? Lots of caffeine have you switched anything up? Is the shot area large or red?
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>>35682181
Probably placebo, or you fucked up hard.
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>>35682185
I have generic viagra which is Sildenafil. Should I take a quarter I have never taken something like this? Will I blow my dick off?
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>>35682167
i have a current pic on all my job search site profiles

i want everyone to be aware i am balding like a mother fucker and dont give a damn

apparently no fucks are given


>>35682166
i frauded them recruiters into believing i get paid 3000 now (in reality 2660)

it's all about subtle psychological manupilation

similar to my former and current position combined
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>>35682181
Maybe your source is slipping mapb into your test
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>>35682189

No stimulants, only thing I've taking recently is 100mg of zinc. I sincerely doubt it is placebo.
My injection site looks fine, nothing red or inflammation. Still hurts a bit if I touch it.


I got my test from Morocco, from a pharmacy. The brand is Androtardyl by Buyer. Is the stiff neck normal? It wasn't there this morning, so it can't be from trying to sleep in a bad position.
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>>35682230
Negative it is not the test. I dont think. Take a shower try and sleep and calm yourself fellow anon. Damm bro. It's just hormones stop being a sadboi and be a happy boi.

are you new?
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>>35682230

Also, gastrointestinal issues and incredibly foul smelling farts which are absolutely not normal. Not even protein farts smell this badly, jesus. Am I hipersensitive to test or something? I swear my depression went away hours away after the injection, and today I was extremely social and confident.

I went into this knowing that I wouldn't feel anything till 3 or 5 weeks into it, not sure how it could be placebo.
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>>35682252

I am not anxious, despite the stiff neck and insomnia (been 28h awake now) I feel better than usual.

Yes, I am new. Yesterday's shot was my first.
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>>35682209
Whatever it takes. 5%

They're all fckin snakes anyway.

I'am gonna go for job search soon. Probably can make 2500 gross start salary. According to the the graphics and students i spoke.

It's not that bad imo. We all gotta start somewhere.
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>>35682208
You'll be fine. Just don't try and overdo it.
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>>35682268
yea bro try and calm down. I got scared immediately after my third shot thought it was infected. Just stay calm and ice your neck. If it continues to happen look into the cause through logical decision making (even though you are injecting steroids)

Also where did you pinn?
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>>35682286
oo Imma overdo it all over her pretty asian face
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>>35682306
That's okey dokey. Just don't overdo the drugs senpai
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>>35682293

Ok, I'll go take a shower and put some ice in it. Is it fine to take melatonin on test?

>(even though you are injecting steroids)
I did this because I was 400ng/dl total test at 20. Always depressed and tired, thought it might be worth it giving it a try. I don't really go to the gym.

>Also where did you pinn?

Glute, on the upper right side of my right asscheek.
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>>35678020
I'm also from Australia, I get Ceretropic's LGD. I'ev had LGD inspected by customs almost every single time, but it's never been seized thus far.
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>>35682270
yes that sounds about right
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>>35682331
>taking steroids
>don't really go to the gym

BRUH
Get your shit straight and get to lifting if you're gonna shove olive oil into your ass cheeks.
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>>35682331
right dude. Dafuq? Are you fat fellow anon? the glory of steroids is not to be wasted on the likes of you.
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>>35682381
>take roids don't go the gym and eat McDonalds

Fraud in a nutshell

>muhhhh nectarrrrr
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>>35682331
plus I smell bullshit. how the fuck would a doc give you a prescription and not administer it himself for the first shot? Not to mention why not call the doc instead of going onto a underground steroid website..???? The logic of these new faggs is unreal
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>>35682230
>I got my test from Morocco
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>>35682381

Been depressed for years, reclused away on my room because I was always too tired and irritable, plus having gynecomastia and abnormal fat distribution (like a woman) with docs telling me having 400ng/dl at 20 is normal, I thought injecting couldn't be worse than being the rest of my life on psychiatric drugs that destroy your libido and make you feel numb.

If low test is the issue, I should be feeling like wanting to lift soon enough anyway. No?
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>>35682326
yes massa. Thanks for the answers
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>>35682331
I hate you so much.

I cannot describe it, because iam on phone.

Fckin unban me.

Just stop with everything
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Quick one guys. Back or shoulders?
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>>35682403

15% body fat. 6''1 at 70kg aprox.

>>35682415
I got an uncle living in Morocco who knows this pharmacist from a long time, he usually sells test to people to make some money on the side. Morocco, like any other poor country makes you able to get away with stuff if you have the right contacts.
I can post a pic of the ampules if you want me to, the test is made in Germany.

>>35682416
Androtardyl is known to be GTG.
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Should I bother bench pressing if all I want is aesthetics and not strength?

>benchpress 2plaetlmao! 5x12
>ain't feeling shit in my chest
>dumbbell bench press
>bit better but fuck me the set up is annoying
>pec deck
>feels weird, but can hit it, I guess
>cable flyes

HOLY SHIT! I feel every fucking fiber of my chest when doing these things, it's fucking amazing.

Why shouldn't I just do cable flyes 5x16 till failure as opposed to useless shit bench pressing?
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fuark i wanna get all those euros

yeaap yeaapppp
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>>35682476
Flies are the best thing for pecs, isolation of the chest titties
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>>35682467
full front pics. Preferebly of your low lying dick
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>>35682476
congrats you discovered barbel bench is fucking shit

i made good gains after discovering that and also steroids
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Reminder why it's important to stay shredded
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>>35682469
please do I wanna see what that silly scribbles looks like
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>>35682450

Just because I decided to take test in an attempt to treat my depression, after using a ton of antidepressants and stimulants?

Wut.
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>>35682415
I don't remember him saying it was prescribed by a doctor, and I don't think a doctor would allow him to administer injections himself. Cause for a law suit right there.

>>35682412
I felt bad for the poor guy for awhile, and then he had to go and say that.

>>35682428
my test levels were lower than yours before I hopped on, and I still busted my ass in the gym senpai. I grew up depressed and was one of those faggots that used to cut themselves in middle school. Had zero friends and saw a psychiatrist regularly for social skills and anxiety.
Literally wasted my childhood away in front of a TV playing vidya.

Got to college.
Decided I was going to quit being a bitch.
Started lifting, trying to go out more.
New town, no one knows me. Don't start a new life as a beta. That kind of shit.
Graduated high school at 130lbs 5'10.
Finished my first year of college at 5'10 175lbs.
Went from sleeping with 3 bitches total the summer before college to another 9 by the next summer.
Happy as can be. Started roiding two years ago, already much better. Good feels got better. Gains are aplenty, more women (especially the ones I went to school with) are into me, and I've doubled the number on my list plus had a steady gf (who I'm leaving now by my own choice) for the last 18 months.

tl;dr stop being a fucking faggot and blaming your lack of motivation and will to be a better human on your hormones. You want to be better? Then BE better. The hormones won't do that. You will.

PS: For god sakes if you're gonna fucking roid, AT LEAST LIFT BEBBY'S FIRST DUMBBELL

rant over.
Fuck you for making me type that.
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>>35682504
>>35682504
>>35682504
New
Thread
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>>35682496
Good heavens at that chica
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>>35682505

There you go, looks blurry as hell because the webcam is shit. The etiquette basically says ''Androtardyl (r) symbol, Enanthate De Testosterone 250mg'' 1ml, there's also a lote number in each.
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>>35682493
flat bb bench is shit for filling out the chest.

I will say this much it's a fantastic starting point for building the lower fibers of the chest.

Incline spoto
Incline hammer strength
Incline cable
Incline db

Are all top tier replacements to flat barbell bench
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>>35682517

You're assuming a ton of shit about me, projecting your own experiences. I've been to the gym in the past, I've tried a ton of different diets and got myself to school after 5 years of social reclusion, even forced myself to make friends which I did. Guess what, I was still feeling like shit everynight, with no energy to do anything, just falling behind again because I can't simply stop feeling depersonalised, lethargic and irritable.

You know shit about my life to be making those judgements, I used to be very social and outgoing before hitting puberty. Once my fucking hormones started revolting all over the pleace, the gynecomastia and pear-shaped body quickly followed a fucking depression which I have not been able to lift with anything you fucking anons say. No exercise, no meditation, no diets or supplements.

Jesus man, I been considering suicide everynight for the last couple years, who the fuck cares if I die from test anyway? Might as well enjoy life while I have it. Shit.
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>>35682476
Incline bench is godlike for chest while flat bench is smelly garbage
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>>35682512
You do know test doesn't solve depression right? Even if you are low test (you are just below average at 400 so not low) it's usually the placebo effect mixed with a change in lifestyle by going to the gym that helps not the actual test
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>>35682682

No, I don't. Everywhere I read says testosterone causes an increase in confidence, well being, motivation, cognitive function and energy levels, plus faster recovery.

Have you even tried test dude?
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>>35682618
Post any responses into the new bread.
>>35682504

Anyway
>>35682618
>blaming your hormones for your shit-tier willpower

It literally takes no effort whatsoever to simply tell yourself today is gonna be a good day. Like someone else said last bread, you'd be surprised how much impact a positive attitude will actually have on your life.

Quit being a faggot and learn to be a man.
You want your life to be better, do you not?
Guess what. Injecting hormones won't fix your motivation issues. That has to come from you.
I still have borderline autistic social skills and damn near crippling social anxiety and paranoia.

Your number one mistake from the sound of things is that you've already given up.
Sure, you shot up some test hoping it'll fix things, but in reality, you don't think that anything will fix your problems and if you've been plotting suicide, you probably wish you were just dead already.
I'm not trying to be rude or an absolute dick, but you seriously need to grow up and put your big boy pants on. You're depressed. Boohoo, go lift some weights like the fucking animal you are and become a monster. You'd be surprised what anger and depression can channel into a workout.

You are man. You are genetically designed to be the alpha of your species. The provider. The soldier. The warrior. Protector.
You name it, it's your responsibility.

Quit popping roids until you learn how to set foot into a gym regularly.

Stop blaming shit like your hormones for your own failures and shortcomings. Your hardest life lesson is this: Our lives are what we make of them. If you want to be great, you can become great.

It's literally a mindset.
400ng/dl is not low test at all. That's just below average. Mine was sub-200, and I wasn't even as big of a fuck up as you.
Idgaf if you think I'm projecting.

You're the sole reason for your fuck ups. Until you quit blaming other things for it, you'll never get better. Accept responsibility and set out to be better, anon.
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>>35683048
>You are man. You are genetically designed to be the alpha of your species. The provider. The soldier. The warrior. Protector.
You name it, it's your responsibility.

not to get involved in this back and forth, but I actually get into this shit. When I'm on cycle I fucking love being a man. I see men apologizing for being masculine and I just laugh. Women bitch about men spreading their legs on the subway and blame men for all of their problems, and I'll keep holding doors and giving old women my seat on the train.

I'm a fucking man and I'm not sorry. I love when women who act like they should hate this get off on it. Like tumbrl girls who talk about the wage gap in normal conversation. And then they fucking love masculinity.
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>>35683313

Point is being on test does make you feel like a man, the extra testosterone makes you less vulnerable to stress (cortisol) and just makes you feel fucking golden. Anyone telling me test is all placebo is full of shit.
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>>35683313
>tumblr personality girls

I wouldn't fuck them with your dick, even if they weren't fat
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>>35683451
lmao

this one used to be fat and she fucks like a freak

gonna try to fuck her roommate next
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>>35682149
>40% shift work bonus

It means either you get an additional €1288/month for working shift or that your salary is bumped 40% when you work outside of normal hours.

€3200 / 4 weeks:

Week 1: €800 (normal 8-16 hours)
Week 2: €800 + €320 (15-23, which activates 40% bonus)
Week 3: €800 (normal 8-16 hours)
Week 4: €800 + €320

etc
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>>35683465

Test really makes you instant alpha, even if you a beta sperglord usually. All that stupid social anxiety just goes away, you can look at people in the eyes without any issues at all and you're full of optimism and will to do stuff.
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