Detective Comics #963 Storytime

>>94846285
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>>94846305
This feels like the sort of flimsy premise they give found footage movies as to why the footage exists in the first place

>>94846405
Anything involving Tim with a girl is going to feel like a flimsy premise.

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>>94846378
BASIL NO

NOOOOO

This shouldn't be such a drag to read

>>94846476
this is filler, it's supposed to be a lead to the next two arcs while also showing that Steph works with Anarky because he's like Tim, but Tynion obviously wants to be done with this and go to Tim's return, which he can't do until Oz Effect is done

>>94846222
But Clayface is a shitty meme character now.

>>94846522
This. It blows my mind that people are loving him, there's absolutely nothing special about how he is now.

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>>94846533
Whatever you say, samefag.

>>94846516
I believe solicits say Oz Effect and Lonely Place of Living occur concurrently, as Tim uses the events of the former as an opportunity to escape.

>>94846693
yeah but Oz' identity is revealed September 13, while Tim's arc starts two weeks later, so most likely it will use that as well
but yeah I thought it will happen a month after, guess I was wrong

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NEXT!

>>94846295
>not referencing the hackitude line
Come ON

>>94846398
I wish someone would write anarky better than just being "'#woke"

>>94847514
I wish someone else would written this book. Tynion's peak is at "pretty good" level and it happens very rarely.

>it's a batfags bitch about the best bat book episode
every fucking issue

>>94846285
Taking video of your superhero buddies in costume without masks seems like a bad fucking idea.

>>94846285
>letting someone named spoiler record you without your mask

>>94846320
I find it hard to believe this bomb that kicked up part of the ground didnt kill these two people

>>94846222
>It's a Stephanie Brown episode.
Those are the worst issues.

>>94848023
It has a Basil subplot. That's worth the price alone.

>>94847514
This is still better than 90% of time he is written as a absically Joker with quasi-anarchist rethorics.

>>94846378
Anyone think Basil and Dr. October are dating?

>>94847555
Someone else did write the script off of Tynion's plot. Read the credits.

>>94846222
I love Steph. Especially when she's rethinking her "WILDCARD BITCHES" philosophy here.

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>>94846415
fucking got me

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>>94848023
Stupid Haters. This is DC fault

>>94849640
Why?

>>94849640
I wpuldn't it's DC's fault.

Only a bad writer makes characters look shitty

>>94846222
JT4 is overrated.

>>94849797
I like him. :) Talking to him or watching him on twitter, it's clear he's a fan, not just someone who writes for a job.

>>94846222
She should've stayed dead, it was the best thing to happen to her character.

>>94846285
Did she still duck him in this timeline?

>>94850357
Why do you love garbage like War Games? What did Steph ever do to you?

>>94847834
Easiest solution is to not go in Batbook threads. I've avoided the King Batman threads for months now.

>>94850431
She existed.

>>94850476
Yeah, okay. That's just proof of being a terrible person - what books did she ruin that you would otherwise have liked? I don't much care for Duke, but I don't think he shouldn't be in books. He's not ruining any of the books I'm reading.

>>94846426
>images during storytime

honestly now, do we need a sticky just to explain basic board etiquette?
this isn't exactly a difficult concept.

>>94846398
Fools, you face a master of the Combative Oratory Respiration Technique.

Steph was always shit
>hurr durr I am just like a nurmal gurl!! but also a genius and as good as the others when the plot requires it! also is never my fault tee hee

>>94846770
NOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>94851169
Except she wasn't always like that you causal.

>>94851298
Except she was, she being "like a normal girl!" was her entire gimmick

>>94849442
>shapeshifter dating a trans woman

It makes sense.

>>94846415
Tim x Cass and Tim x Jubilee are fine
Steph is just superfluous

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>>94851320
She wasn't always competent or a genius.
Her gimmick was that she was a tenacious rookie and the daughter of a super-villian who felt the need to do something about him.

She was always portrayed as an amateur until she started training with Cass who along with Batman didn't want her doing vigilante work in the first place.

>>94851481
so just like Harper Row, now I get the hate

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>>94851605
Well no, people don't like Harper because she was supposed to be hyper competent and like the ideal partner to Batman. The opposite of what Steph was.

>>94851605
Do you know anything about either character? Or are you just parroting shit?

>>94851700
Harper wasn't super competent tho
And she was "ideal" as in the fact that Batman could have trained her and turned her into the sidekick that never disobeys unlike Robins which always show an high level of independence

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>>94851795
>finding out about the bat-boxes, improving them ad tracking Batman

I mean that's certainly more competency than Steph showed in her early years.

>>94846222
>Stephanie Brown episode
I love those episodes though.

>>94851965
Boosting a signal isn't that impressive considering she was a technician as her actual job and like she said those were "store-bought antennas".
Super competent would be someone like Tim, Damian, Batwing and modern Steph

>>94852118
I kinda meant more the tracking thing.

I know modern Steph is different, but the guy was saying she was always like that which just isn't true.

>>94850765
during a one-issue storytime isn't so bad, but yea never cool

>>94846770
Fuck that pretty much puts the nail in the Good Boy Clayface coffin, huh? He's going to go berserk, hurt someone, and then go off the range again.

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>>94852439
Calm down, there were two pages left and it didn't disrupt and important or suspenseful scene.

>>94852463
and Batman will blame himself and decide to never trust people again

>>94846305
If my gf wanted to film us kissing and such that would be something to argue about

>>94846328
>"I just end up doing exactly what Batman would do."
Guess Tynion realized the pointlessness of her rant in that "Spoiler vs Wrath" issue.

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>>94846378
I like it when they show that being a metahuman isn't always fun and games.

>>94846433
>Anarky is 19th century Utopian Socialist / Anarcho-Communist
At least it's a new perspective. Although with an obvious setup for how Batman will show that utopian communes don't work and capitalism reigns supreme.

>>94852750
I'd be down for pictures and sex videos, but I'd at least use a DSLR.

>>94853357
A better take would be if Bruce acknowledges the predatory and parasitic nature of unrestrained capitalism. But any political debate is probably going to be sidelined by the hidden twist to this "utopia".

>>94846285
>cowl makes your butt look cute

???????

>>94846295
>encryptions can be hacked!
>lol whatevs [insert zoey deschanel speech here]

>>94853947
>It's two factor authentication.
>The "key" is a nude photo of Steph that only Tim has.

>>94852463
> He's gonna hurt Cass.


Fuuuuuuuuuck!

>>94853084

I think Stephanie is beginning to see how much of a bitch she was to everyone. So does that mean in the Tim Batman future she's some sort of right hand or is she the reason why future Tim snapped?

>>94853925
Brooding, anon. The brooding pose makes his butt look cute.

>>94847906
Steph isn't exactly smart.

>>94846362
Are those guns for Batman? I thought he doesn't use guns.

>>94846426
What's this from?

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>>94857050

Gates of Gotham, basically Bruce's kids (save Jason) have an adventure when Daddy's out of town in trying to stop someone from destroying Gotham's landmarks and Gotham itself.

Tim/Cass keep upping the closeness they have with each other until the final issue where this happens.

It was supposed to lead-in to Snyder with Capullo, and the former setting up Cassandra's future status among the family again

Then DC editors took Cass from Snyder and said she doesn't exist for an entire year. So he created fan favorite Harper Row instead to fill the gaps that didn't have Cass now.

Detective Comics 963 (2017) (2 covers) (digital) (Minutemen-Slayer)
http://www102.zippyshare.com/v/ixIsfGpB/file.html

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>>94857319
I don't understand, what is that panel supposed to imply?

>>94851714

pot/kettle

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>>94856294

Neither cowls nor brooding poses will ever make this Robin's butt look anything near cute

>>94852476
Not the point. This is bowling. There are rules!

>>94858286
Why do you hate Tim?

Can we stop to acknowledge this is the best portrayal Anarky has had in years? I mean, getting away from being a self-insert for Alan Grant was easy enough, because that hasn't been the case since 1999, but since that time the character has bounced around from people who wanted to write him from an idealistic perspective to honor Grant's intentions, or people who went for the easy "comic book villain version of anarchy." Its' been four years since Anarky was well portrayed in the Arkham video game, and even that had its problems.

It's not much, but just the fact that the guy isn't coming off as a rabid fanatic as he calmly explains that he has good intentions is a damned good start. Then toss in an association with another Bat family member -- which he hasn't had since the late '00s with Tim Drake (though being paralyzed as a shitty named 'Money Spider' sucked) -- and we might be able to hope for a version of Anarky with enough meat to the character to stick for a few years.

I think this issue is a little tone deaf making Anarky out to be too much of a hero while Antifa, who resemble his philosophy in real life, are out destroying monuments and burning down cities.

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>>94858950
Don't exaggerate what Antifa does. Different ad-hoc groups behave in different manners. While independent groups have attacked monuments, none of those were even associated with antifa -- but that's actually a rather perfect way of portraying Anarky anyway. I'd totally see him blow up a monument to George Washington, and rabidly defend his actions as propaganda in promoting a world even better than the one Washington wanted to create. Then it would be left to the reader to wrestle with the issue, which ideally is what a story with Anarky should promote -- an opportunity to wrestle with questions posed to comfortable certainties.

>>94859048

Yeah I don't like making a hero of him because it encourages antifa.

>>94852463
I'd think that people loving Good Guy Clayface would be an indicator to keep it but I could easily see status quo reigning supreme and he becomes a villain again (though maybe closer to BTAS Hagen) and also because Tynion's a fact who thinks people will love the tragedy of it.

>>94859127
That should say Tynion's a hack, whatever.

>>94859048
I would agree that Anarky isn't antifa, but antifa, though a decentralized movement, is pretty explicitly about violence. They are closer to the cartoon villain Lonnie derides in this issue.

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>>94859107
Oh, boo hoo. Antifa has been totally blown out of proportion anyway. I've known about them being around for over 15 years, and they predate my learning about them, going back to the 70s. Their was a funny news story about a German politician being embarrassed to find a story about him being in a riot as a teenager -- possibly associated with Antifa, but maybe unrelated. It was just a novelty there, and didn't hurt his career. Their recent notoriety seems entirely media driven to me, and pushed for a conservative audience that is scared that some scary group they don't understand exists where previously they thought of leftists as toothless (which many who promote pacifism still are.) So are leftists out to destroy our way of life, or are they wimpy snowflakes who need safe spaces? Neither and both. It depends on what group dynamic you are looking at, and that's too confusing for the media to handle.

Meanwhile, Anarky has been used to push uncomfortable social issues for years, and you are fully invited to agree or disagree with an authors' choice in how the character fights for what he is portrayed as beliving in.

Pic related. I hate this portrayal of Anarky as anti-gun and kinda wordy, but I do like him being against the gun industry, and I like the choice he makes to blow up the factory. Its' a mix of good and bad traits.

>>94859272
Maybe you're Euro Antifa don't do anything but chant slogans but here in America they're pretty fucking violent and a lot of the violence from these "free speech rallies" and other stuff tends to come from them going around and rioting and attacking people for either "looking like Nazi" (i.e. being white, wearing MAGA hats, etc.) or not being "too liberal" for their liking.

>So are leftists out to destroy our way of life, or are they wimpy snowflakes who need safe spaces?
Again, in America, it's both. The far left in America absolutely despises the United States and wants to see it and all symbols of it destroyed in order to, presumably, erase the sin of white racism and build anew in a glorious communist/anarchist utopia. Your average college SJW is a wimp but it's the violent types, the farthest of the far left, who are working people up into violent rages and it's not hard at all to work up a crowd.

>>94859411
Actually I'm here in the USA, and the long standing tradition of Antifa was for it to be much more confrontational in among the Euros, to the point where radical circles in the USA looked to them as examples of pushing the envelope in ways that weren't accepted here. Again, the recent notoriety has totally blown them out of proportion.

>Again, in America, it's both.

Bullshit. This is a false dichotomy to be sure, but it's also the case that conservatives are completely blowing them out of proportion because they cannot comprehend what they are actually about, and your next statement is proof of that. Now here is the trick -- I agree with everything you write. My point is that it isn't a problem, because if they are guided by right philosophy, then their revolution won't be a problem, and if they are guided by wrong philosophy, they will not succeed. They've been around for a long time, and I haven't seen them grow in strength considerably since the early 00s -- but their media presence has. This is no big deal. The big terror they represent is the terror of the unknown. Read some Foucault and chill.

As for attacking people for being white -- haven't seen that, but I have seen them attacking people for wearing MAGA hats -- and those are tacky pieces of trash anyway, so no big loss.

>>94858950
>>94859107
>>94859411
Why do you think that real life should influence how you perceive a character? It's just a fucking comic.
In my country there are groups of people that dress in black and group up to kill criminals, this doesn't make the punisher a better or worse character.

>>94859764
What do you mean, real life shouldn't influence how we read a comic that talks about real life. Sure, these are comic book superheros, but ask any good writer, they'll tell you that their experience, aka Real Life, influences what and how they write about things. Really great writers can write from different perspectives, but it's all about Real Life, even when it's set in space with aliens.

>>94859728
They have attacked people for haircuts
they have attacked PRESS
They use chemicals, urine and feces
One was arrested for smashing in peoples heads with bike locks at a rally

>hurr durr they were asking for it for wearing that tacky hat

you're an idiot and i hope you get blinded

>>94859857

Nope, individuals did each of these things, but not the "organization," because antifa, formerly known as anti-fascist action, is a tradition, and not a group. Like Anonymous. You can join it and leave it in a heartbeat, and your actions within it are only your own. And I don't mind mocking the tacky hats because you made it seem like such a big deal that people were attacked for wearing a hat. For one thing, you never proved that they actually were attacked for actually wearing a hat. That's the kind of unjustified claim I've seen all over the media, but without basis. Who were the members of antifa that did this action and confessed to it? I would bet it more likely this is just what conservatives claimed about them to make the conservatives feel more comfortable as victims. But that said, you should be used to getting pissed off at Anonymous people here on 4chan. That's what we're all here for.

>>94850357
>She should've stayed dead

true this

>>94862139
Untrue this.

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>>94859857
>spends several posts decrying decentralized violence while attributing the violence to a group instead of individuals, and making claims that can be researched, but then making claims which are pure conjecture to camouflage a false narrative pushes by conservative media.
>sees someone make a snide remark to a weak, unsupportable statement and promptly wishes violence against free speech I don't like.

So much for that moral high ground you were so desperate to lay claim to.

Anyway, Eric Holmes was right. Anarky was incredibly relevant when the Arkham game came out, but in a larger sense you don't have to time the message right to make it so. Political issues are always happening all over the world, and if you don't want to try getting lucky with a specific issue, you can try to tie Anarky to much broader social issues. In 2005 James Peatty wrote a Green Arrow story that presented Anarky as a sympathetic figure during the height of the "war on terror" -- and did so while pointing out that Anarky was technically a terrorist.

Anarky is best utilized as a tool for the author to challenge a reader with disquieting notions that challenge traditional thinking. If this stoey reminds people of Antifa, and the idea of seeing someone of that ilk in heroic terms forces you to think about the issue more deeply, perfect. Embrace that aspect of Anarky as a narrative anti-villain and you'll be fine, muh dude

>>94857790

Basically, throughout the mini, both have been talking they've been talking about things and how it then starts relating more about more about them. Cassandra admits to Tim at the end she wants to stay it Gotham cause she likes being around her bros (or cause she cares VERY much for Tim given that they apparently have gotten close with the two always communicating since Tim found her after she left Gotham so Stephanie could be Batgirl).

I take it as the former than what most assume is the later. That the two are um more than just friends.

>>94862726
I have yet to see Anarky being heroic. He's inflicted serious bodily harm on soldiers doing their job. Yes, they were trying to take Steph and Lonnie in, but Steph and Lonnie are teenagers trespassing in very, very dangerous territory. They're not just being very unsafe, but massively illegal.

>>94862842
I've always just seen this as an attempt (if the n52 hadn't happened) to bring Cass back to Gotham. I don't really see a particularly romantic closeness between Tim and Cass at all.

>>94859107
How do you know they are about chaos without an idealistic goal? Maybe some are. You would have to read more of what they say to each other internally where they congregate, and even that will only give you part of the story, while you would still have to accept that some of the people involved in their decentralized behavior would also be irredeemably lacking in nuance. The guy who hit a.non-violent person with a bike lock comes to mind. Maybe he lacked thoughtfulness in that moment only; maybe always; maybe the people on his side, standing next to him in that moment, would not have wanted him to have escalated the violence in that way, in that moment. Its impossible to pin this stuff down. Their not like the neo-nazis, who actually do have organizations, memberships, group mission statements, and a history of behavior tied to an organizational tradition.

>>94862867

Me neither I just see that as a fondness for Cass being around Dick, Tim, and even Damian. But some others took it the other way given the Tim Bowl that was going on over in his comic.

>>94862921
Don't forget that Cass would also want to hang out with Steph. :)

But yeah, there was a really kinda unsavory fascination with Tim being paired with everyone near the beginning of the n52.

>>94862908
Why does antifa have a uniform, distinctive iconography, a love of the communist flag, and an extremely consistent MO, then?

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>>94862867
Agreed that simply attacking others isn't heroic, though context matters. But I think my larger point was about how Alan Grant wanted him to be used. General Anarky was also not heroic, and that was clearly intentioned by context. I think k at this point wr.can agree that Tynson is at least making him idealistic, but I don't think Anarky should ever be heroic. He should be an anti-villain-- too damaged by baggage to be fully accepted as a hero, but someone who's ideas challenge traditional heroes for the assumptions they uphold.

Just to start, Spoiler voices what she thinks anarchy is, and it a negative assumption that I've seen many comics (and specifically Batman books by other authors) make. So already Anarky is beating up soldiers, and then turning and displaying trust in Spoiler and sharing with her that he wants to make the world a better place. This is complex chacterization and im eager to see where this will go.

Pic related. Anarky being unheroic in his first appaerance, on his way to punish someone for pollituing a toxic industrialist. Anarky was never about polite, politically correct heroism.

>>94863081
Those all go the same for any group with a tradition. Find me a membership card. You sign on by being part of it and calling yourself part of it. You can still behave differently if you want. Who will lick ypu out of antifa if you dont punch a nazi?

>>94863198
Well, it's not just the attacking - Steph did that too - but there's a level of brutality (especially in the brick trap) that seemed excessive to me. I agree with you that Tynion and Sebela are making him a complicated character, and I'm enjoying that. I just hope there's a satisfying direction for Steph gained from this arc, and not just the (hopefully only subtextual) love triangle between her, Tim, and Lonnie.

>>94863246
Your argument is that encouraging citizens to be violent is better if there isn't a central controlling person or people?

Other than the evils of white supremacy and racism, what is antifa protesting? Do they stand for anything positive - because it seems to me they do - communism, specifically Soviet style communism. Why does antifa hate Jewish conservatives like Ben Shapiro just as much as people who hate Shapiro for his race, if they're really only against racism?

>>94862174

since you say so, it must assuredly be BS

>>94863880
How will I ever recover from this burn.

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>>94846222

I hate how Tynion has made me hate a character I used to like before Flashpoint.

People in this thread be arguing about antifa and I'm just mad that Lonnie isn't ginger in this.