>>79029265 Well, ask yourself: which one is written and helmed by qualified scientists and mathematicians who can understand the statistical trends underpinning claims of global warming, and which is written by two fucks from Colorado whose sole claim to notoriety is a show that calls everybody a cunt and is therefore right a lot of the time?
>>79029265 I don't know why people treat South Park as some kind of all-knowing god of wisdom. They're libertarians, which means while they disagree with both the left and the right, they have their own brand of horseshit politics that they'll spout off and soapbox about. They're just as stupid and prone to garbage reasoning when it comes to their ideologies, the only difference is, it isn't "NUKE ALL THE TOWELHEADS" or "FEMINIST VEGAN SENSITIVE MEN UNITE", it's "MUH TOTAL FREEDOMS GUBERNMINT CAN'T STEP ON CORPORATIONS IT AINT RIGHT". So when something like global warming comes around and starts saying that the government should step in and limit emissions outputs and stop companies from destroying the planet and straight up killing everyone they start freaking out because MUH GOBERNINT GONE CRAZY
>>79029265 I think they were trying to point out that Al Gore was a pundit and am ass. Even in the end he was right about Man Bear Pig but people couldn't stand him so much that they wanted him to stop. This is B8 Thread anyway.
Manbearpig was making fun of Al Gore clinging to relevancy by using global issues. People just love to miss the point and use this episode as a "See South Park has no idea what they're talking about!", because they need a defense when South Park makes fun of something they like
>ok, we want to pass a law that no one can light your house on fire
>this multimillionaire wants to light your house on fire right now
please step right in sir.
I mean if it's real or not real, or if it's man made or natural, why the fuck would you ever oppose a law that limits bad shit going into the air or water, and why would you be in favor of that happening ever? it's just... wow..
>>79030992 >>79031084 >>79030406 These. The discourse about Global Warming and the subsequent denialism is BECAUSE of how Gore and the forerunners approached it. If they'd approached it at a more metered way at the outset it wouldn't have become a political issue. Instead Gore chose to make it political and doomed America to being ineffectual at setting policy with respect to climate change. Alarmism is shit policy, Gore should be ashamed.
>>79030534 No no no. That's the back-up lie people say when you can't ignore the reality of global warming. It's the vast scientific consensus that humans are causing climate change. The natural changes don't account for what's happening.
Don't take my word for it though. Check out the wikipedia article on "Global warming" and spend some time reading the citations. Note that I said the citations. That's legitimate science, first-hand.
>>79031170 That's not even a shitty rebuttal. That's not a rebuttal at all. Literally no one claimed that the Earth has never warmed or cooled. What does that have to do with anything? You might as well claim that you can't be a murderer because people have died of natural causes before.
Humans are the primary cause of global warming right now. That's just plain science. Look it up.
>>79033734 I wasn't trying to sound like I'm better than people. I was trying to emphasize how concrete the evidence is. Why bother hemming and hawing when there's a clear-cut answer to the question of global warming? If we were talking about something that wasn't so well-established then it'd be different.
>>79034451 >citations can't be biased and untruthful Stop it. Just stop it. Wikipedia is hilariously corrupt and biased as fuck. No one in their right mind would actually tell someone to check out a wikipedia article on a politically or socially sensitive subject.
>>79034124 Psssst... dumbass. That's a television program, did you miss that part about scientifically illiterate journalists. Time ran a story, they are not a scientific publication. The majority of the research at the time still said warming.
THAT was sensationalist nonsense, are you going to link stories about Batboy to disprove evolution next?
>>79031278 Denialism would have happened even without Al Gore. Combating Climate change requires government intervention regulating the activities of corporations, which is anathema to the GOP and the people that fund them.
>>79034710 This. Just try debating with an anti-vaxxer. It's impossible, doesn't matter what facts you present, they'll claim they're all lies and cite unreliable sources from the internet. I will say this, climate change deniers are being used by moneyed interests like Oil corporations, so I can understand why there's so many of them. Nobody benefits from anti-vaxxers at all, they exist from their own stupidity and cause children to die, so they're objectively worse.
>>79034781 You're telling me you don't believe that Fox News and the GOP's climate change denial isn't done because of money interests? >http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-climate-denying-lawmakers>>79034781
>>79034866 Not everything is the result of money interest, believe it or not. Climate change denial is the result of one thing: it's something liberals believe in. People are consistently shown to be more inclined to dislike something if the opposite political party is for it, even if it's by all accounts unrelated to their ideology. There's no reason why social conservatism and economic monetarism should be linked, yet that's exactly how the Republican party has been for a century, and Republicans tend to be staunchly both.
>>79035034 >There's no reason why social conservatism and economic monetarism should be linked, yet that's exactly how the Republican party has been for a century, and Republicans tend to be staunchly both. Of course there's a reason for it. The corporate interests in the GOP realized that they could use the christian right to win elections, so they made an alliance with them >http://www.salon.com/2015/04/19/christian_america_is_an_invention_big_business_right_wing_politics_and_the_religious_lie_that_still_divides_us/
How are you guys posting despite being under 10m of rising sea levels? I'm lucky enough to have lived out in the boonies so now I'm enjoying the beachfront view but sometimes I feel guilty about how I could've prevented this by letting corporations throw money at third world shit holes as a tax write off.
>>79035463 South Park stopped being funny when it became less about smart-mouthed kids being kids that live in a shitty town and made due with the fun there and became 'Big News story of the week' the Episode.
>>79035513 It was the only page I could find that had an excerpt of the book "One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America". It was a very interesting read and very well researched. Here's a review from the WSJ, a conservative publication >http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-world-ike-wrought-1433891576
The GCMs that purport to simulate climate are interesting experiments, and it's not unimpressive that they can be made to produce results that look at least reasonable. But they model the atmosphere with grid cells 100 miles on a side, and attempt to use this to predict the state of the atmosphere - a chaotic system - for the next century. This does not pass the laugh test.
There is simply no scientific way to verify or falsify the accuracy of any such piece of software. It is not practical to perturb Earth's climate, perturb your model's climate, and test that they both respond in the same way. And there is no other way to test a model. In the end, all you have is a curve that records past temperature, and a piece of software that generates future temperature. Perhaps if we could watch the predicted and actual curves match up for a century or so, we could generate something like statistical significance. But we can't. And hindcasting - fitting the models to data from the past - overfits, and is completely worthless.
Because of climate change, cleaner burning coal and the industries to extract it have been shut down in the UK, and instead we export dirty coal from abroad. Steel and heavy industry is dying a slow death while Chinese steel which is worse and filthier floods the market. Climate change has been used as an excuse for taxes and the end of livelihoods, yet the government would rather give billions to the EU then properly address things like flood control and so on.
To be honest, the current rate of sea level growth is looking like a foot a century. I could deal with a foot of sea levels and an end to the above nonsense.
>>79035518 That's actually quite funny because in the EU to address climate change, diesel engines were heavily pushed and petrol engines were heavily penalised. Only now it turns out that after a ton of people have switched to diesel, it's caused most major urban levels to have much higher levels of cancerous pollutants and far lower air quality unlike American cities where the pollutant control was focused on dangerous particulates and not climate change.
Oh, and it turns out that those diesel engines are actually just as bad as petrol engines so now thanks to that climate change legislation, backed by studies and research, we're now more polluted and haven't done anything.
The solution of course is to increase taxes on diesel engine vehicles. Obviously.
>>79035518 So we should penalize industry in countries which already have clean air laws and specialize in reducing air pollutants so that the jobs, knowledge and industry will go to third world countries where those laws don't exist and industry can re-enact the excesses of the 19th century, only this time far worse?
>>79029265 Uh, stop me if I'm wrong, but I don't think South Park ever insinuated that global warming wasn't real. I think it just mocked Al Gore for his entire platform being pointing at the scary thing and going LOOK, LOOK! I CAN SAVE YOU FROM SCARY THING!
>>79035844 This. But you even if you believe that man made climate change is real and a problem that needs addressing, if you dare even hint that perhaps it should be looked into carefully and perhaps certain things are unnecessary and it would be better to focus on other things, you'll be howled out.
It's become a religion. Same for multiculturalism. Dare to state that perhaps we should control immigration a bit and maybe having massive influxes of people from the Middle East and Africa won't be a success and you might as well have said 'We should round up everyone who isn't superwhite and gas them'.
>>79035861 >if you dare even hint that perhaps it should be looked into carefully and perhaps certain things are unnecessary and it would be better to focus on other things, you'll be howled out. I don't really see this happening. Give examples. The only people getting howled out are those that deny that Climate change exists, those that deny that it's man-made and those that say we should do nothing.
>people still believe in climate change >implying it's not a big lie to make more money
Climate change has always happened throughout mankind, a rise or drop of a few degrees is not being caused solely by human modernisation alone.
Besides, the most pollutants right now is from developing countries like china or india that dont give a shit about global warming. Even if you bring into change just about everything you want, you still wont obtain any major changes in temperature or weather because human effect on the planet's temperature change is absolutely minuscule.
I took more issue with the smoking episode of South Park. I don't know who Rob Reiner is, but that episode very much came off as pro-smoking. As in, promoting smoking as something cool other people should do.
I didn't say thay and neither did south park. Smoking gives you lung cancer and heart disease, no one's denying that, not even smokers. South Park just called him a hypocrite for being anti smoking, while being fat. It's like a smoker being an anti obesity advocate.
You can be concerned about conservation and responsible use of resources without also thinking that we HAVE to dismantle our energy infrastructure and kill off a fifth of our population so we can live like stone age hunter-gatherers.
All these people have been crying about how if we don't DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW!!!! the world we be destroyed and unlivable and we'll all be in Mad Max in a few years. And yet RIGHT NOW China and India have some of the worst air and water pollution problems on Earth that we could be doing something about instead.
People don't like doomsday propechies. They like consequences they can see and solutions they can participate in and see results in a short time.
>>79036437 >what if it's a hoax and we give supreme economic power to a different oligarchy in the process of dismantling our energy infrastructure and sterilizing our population in the name of "sustainibility" for nothing
People act like the consequences of following all these crazy prescriptions will be benign even if global warming isn't a thing, but look at what happens when the government subsidizes and sponsors these programs that turn out to be hugely wasteful and don't fucking work.
>>79036451 I live in Spain, where renewable energy has been extremely profitable to the point that it's one of the few things Spain has an edge over other countries. So I think these prescriptions aren't "crazy" at all
I can't wait till the episode "where the kids find out that vaccines cause autism and your penis to fall off". I'm pretty sure the neoreactionary audience would laugh it up. I know this because the libertarian God that is Ron Paul is a vaccine denier too, in addition to evolution denial.
Hell, mainstream entertainment is already taking the anti scientific side:
I consider all forms of denialism are just as bad and disgusting.
It's denialism that is the reason why my doctor friend gets his house egged and the reason why I can't get fucking job despite how smart I am.
>>79036806 >http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/GMO >Says there's a lack of independant research >Three sections later Props up scientific consensus as a valid argument. Putting aside that prior consensus have been that the universe is a steady state, leaded gas is just fine, and is ultimately just an appeal to authority fallacy.
That comment was about the preservatives in vaccines. Not GMO food.
>>79036806 Oh god, I'm reading their fucking flouride article.
It's a classic example of double think.
>Ok, flourosis exists. Which is a disease caused by a build up of flouride in the body. >Ok, yeah, there is an appearent link between flouride in drinking water and lowered IQ. >But guys, that's just because there was TOO MUCH flouride in the water, it's totally safe in lower quantities! It's totally worth it... for the absolutely non-existant effect on cavity rates!
>>79036858 Hm let's see. I wanna be a doctor so that I can help eradicate diseases and make people's lives better oh!--
>Denialists make shitty schlockumentaries like House of Numbers, and Doctored. Now I can't get a job as a doctor without being harassed by stalkers
I want to be a climatologist and study change in the climate and report and oh!
>Denialists push foward MANBEARPIG meme, get harassed by people who I thought were my friends, and mocked by a television show I used to watch.
I know, I'm going to be a historian oh!
>Get targeted and beat up by neo nazi holocaust denialists.
I'm going to be a game developer and oh!
>Get targeted by internet hate mob for sticking up for inoffensive feminists who didn't hurt anybody. Gets considered a mangina by Maddox and Dick Masterson and gaming community for not being a sexist.
I'm going to be lawyer and oh!
>Get egged and harassed by tax dodgers who deny the 16th amendment despite how many times I point it out in the fucking tax payed text book I read in class.
I will be an astronaut and further space development and oh!
>Moon hoaxers and flat earthers deny Apollo missions, hamper research and prevent us from investing in space travel.
Point is, being in the workforce nowadays to do good in addition to getting paid is worthless endeavor due to conspiracy dipshits and their effort to make a world a shitty place as possible.
>>79031170 i mean you're not wrong, in that Earth's climate has changed before, but it can change for different reasons. It just so happens that this time around its anthropogenic. I mean, ask yourself, we put our shitloads of carbon dioxide every day, have deforested a not insignificant amount of land, and have altered the landscape very drastically in some parts of the world. What's ridiculous is people claiming "no we're not affecting the climate."
All you have to do is open up the scientific literature. There are plenty of open access journals on the web. I know it's a bit difficult to learn the jargon, but cmon, you could try instead of spouting off buzzwords.
Getting Reps to pay me to sit on my butt is the best form of revenge I can think of, and I encourage others to go welfare state so others can do it too. I consider it my moral and patriotic duty to be a soc parasite, because after all, there would be no more war either because the government would be too busy paying us to even fund an illegal war. Now excuse me. * Farts and burps in your face if you're republican(that includes if you are a South Park Rep, same difference *
>people actually think this decade's apocalypse scenario 'climate change' is real >people already forgot 30 years ago everyone was afraid too much smog was covering the Earth making it too cold >all the scientists agreed! >implying climate change isn't a scam for scientists to get more funding
The internet is allowing people to unconsciously reinforce and close off their own personal reality bubble. You can easily and unknowingly filter all your information into just what you want to hear, reinforcing your incorrect views with the agreement of other similarly deceived persons, and the guy in the house next to you will live in a totally different reality bubble.
>>79036428 Most scientists and politicians would agree with what you're saying. Even a good portion of environmentalists would. It's the very vocal ones that don't sound like that.
It's the same reason why certain presidential candidates have gained such traction: they offer very simple answers to complex, wide reaching problems. People like that. It isn't at all how the world works, but people do like that.
We have whole academic disciplines dedicated to the study of societies, morality, and economics that are always debating and revising, and these fucks think they can boil things down to simple "do this or that" answers. Global warming is probably one less complicated problems we've got, because it really is matter of sensible regulation and encouraging clean, renewable energy.
>>79036255 >tbf oil price is plummeting Because oil got so profitable that the US started fracking to get more and that would've undermined OPEC's interests so they made prices plummet in order to make shale and fracking operations unprofitable.
Oil companies will continue to make money hand over fist regardless.
Another large problem is coal power plants. They belch radioactive particulate into the air and build up huge quantities of dangerous and poisonous fly ash, but because apparently we HAVE to keep coal mines open, the word nuclear gives people heart attacks, and renewable energy inevitably draws the misdirected ire of conservatives, we've gotta keep our power generation stuck firmly in the industrial revolution.
>>79037220 Dude literally what the hell. Lots of people still have those jobs, and make good money doing it. It just sounds like you don't have the drive and are afraid of what others think of you. Man the fuck up.
people who cry about global warming are as bad as people who cry about overpopulation, it may or may not be a problem, but the biggest offenders of these issues come from one part of the world, not 1st world nations
>>79037220 >>Moon hoaxers and flat earthers deny Apollo missions, hamper research and prevent us from investing in space travel. Do they? I was very much under the impression that they yell hot air that nobody pays attention to.
Global Warming is not a problem we can fix with Loose Change. It's a big problem that has to be fixed by everybody adopting VERY tough legislation and investing in technology that's honestly not there yet.
There's not a silver bullet, there's a lot of sides to this issue but if there was a silver bullet it'd be cars. Everybody has to buy a new car with shitty gas mileage. Everybody. Can you afford to toss out every car you have for shittier models? Neither does the rest of America
>studied Biology in college >capstone involved designing your own research project with other classmates and presenting at a symposium >meant to be a dry run of actually filling out grants, conducting research, and writing papers like you would be expected to do in Grad school
>get to the part where you draft your grant proposal >part of it involves connecting your research to existing research and journals >easiest way to justify anything environmental-related is to talk about connections to anthropocentric global warming
It's pretty much guaranteed to get the board's attention over anything else. I'm pretty convinced that the main reason why there's so many doomsday scenarios and research papers about it that come out all the time are more just because the scientists know it's easy grant money.
Do I believe humans can have an impact on the climate and environment and we need to be careful about how we use resources? Absolutely. But I also don't put a lot of stock into the "WE HAVE TO STOP USING COAL THIS WEEK OR EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE" predictions.
>>79037335 >The first people to know climate change was a serious problem were Exxon and they immediately began plans to suppress information and prepare to lobby and fight the idea that climate change existed. >That's what that big scandal that just broke out was about. And people say cartoon villains and conspiracies don't exist in real life.
>>79037375 >>implying climate change isn't a scam for scientists to get more funding You say that like they just pocket the funding. They aren't businessmen, they're scientists. They use that money to learn stuff that benefits us all.
Scientists gotta eat too. The money that funds their learning of stuff also has to come from somewhere. Scientists are just a corruptible as any politician, there are many, MANY researchers who are paid to come up with specific results.
>>79038173 >>79038224 Again: the first to really hit on the danger of climate change were scientists working for Exxon Mobile, scientists who had absolutely no outside incentive to reach that conclusion.
The idea that climate change is just funding bait is absolutely retarded.
>>79038078 >"WE HAVE TO STOP USING COAL THIS WEEK OR EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE" That's part of what did the most disservice to the idea of global warming, the assumption that what would happen would be The Day After Tomorrow. That South Park episode was pretty funny though.
>>79029265 South Park is often wrong, but they mostly choose safe opinions, as far as edgy ones go. On global warming however, they seem to be more against the way it's presented than anything else. Sensationalist scientist have been trying to get people's attention by over hyping the issue which leads to people becoming disinterested. One can believe in man made global warming but still think that it's not worth getting worked up about. There are those who don't even want to have the conversation, so they stop it by being intellectually dishonest and deny the concept all together.
>>79037427 >Governments want global warming to be real, because then they get to take more power over the populace in the name of "doing something." You watch too much Fox News. You know which is the government that pollutes the most without caring about the environment? China. China doesn't curtail its emissions because it makes massive amounts of money by not doing it, even though its very badly affeting their environment and people's health.
You're missing the point. A government structured to give itself even MORE executive power for a good intention right now means that there's fewer safeguards in place to prevent someone from using that same structure down the road for less-good intentions.
>>79038449 >American companies aren't as pocket deep with out government as they are with China Because in America, it's the companies that control the government. All these oil companies lobby politicians to get them to do what they want. It's why almost nothing ever gets done to actually combat climate change. The entire Republican party and a lot of democrats are forced to deny man-made climate change or they'll lose all their campaign money.
>>79038536 what do you expect us to do about global warming? stop companies from making stuff in our country? that's both bad for our economy and people, but they'll all just go to a place that'll let them fuck around, like China or Mexico
>>79038536 >Because in America, it's the companies that control the government
>big money controls the government!
So explain how Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are on top right now, both of which vehemently speak out against their parties' establishments and don't have big SuperPAC lobbyists pumping money into their campaigns. (Trump you could make an argument for, but the fact is that he's still been funding his entire campaign out of pocket)
That's the point. I know this because I worked at a university-sponsored chemistry research lab for a year, and believe me any shit you can do to get on the radar to make sure your funding doesn't run out and the university cuts off your project is what you pursue.
A lot of times what scientists wind up doing isn't what they're passionate about or what they truly believe is world-changing, but what looks the best on a research grant proposal.
I will make this rebuttal to all those who think that "Manbearpig" is all about satirizing Al Gore and not about denying scientific evidence and promoting ignorance.
>Fan Question: I know there’s usually stories that inspire South Park episodes and jokes, is there anything like that behind Al Gore and ManBearPig?
>Answer: Yep, there definitely is. Al Gore came out with a documentary called “An Inconvenient Truth” right around the time that episode came out (in 2006). In it, Gore preaches about the super-cereal affect of global warming and how he’s really serious, and no one is listening to him. In simpler words, ManBearPig is an allegory for Global Warming.
And here is the sauce:
http://southpark.cc.com/blog/2014/07/01/fan-question-whats-the-story-behind-al-gore-and-manbearpig So there you have it. No questions about it. Manbearpig is an ALLEGORY to Global Warming. In other words, Matt Stone and Trey Parker believe that Global Warming is akin to a mythological beast like bigfoot. A myth. They live in the same world your average conspiracy nutjob lives in, a world where world renowned scientists are all in on it to fleece your taxpayer money. Yes it is making fun of Al Gore, but the thing they are satirizing Al Gore for is moral and just cause. They are like the kids in my school who used to beat me up for trying to study geometry and English and for caring about environmental issues.
Therefore, just like how Martin Luther King jr. was a victim to racists, and like Anita Sarkeesian is a victim to sexists, Al Gore was a victim to anti environmentalists who would love nothing more but to burn down every rainforest and make every animal extinct.
>>79038422 Look up Richard Muller and the Koch Bros. Muller was a climate change skeptic hired by the Koch brothers to do a comprehensive study on all the most popular research pointing to man made global warming in hopes that he'd debunk it, but he wound up finding out that it all checks out. So they hire a new guy and run a story on Forbes about how they found a climate realist who agrees with them.
>>79038522 Source? I've never seen anything quite that sensationalist.
>>79029265 Neither We a motes of dust in the universe We will live and die in such a short time that the very earh holding out corpses will forget we were there and swallow us whole. To think such micros of the universe could both understand and predict the cause and effect of millina on millina weather claimants is beyond hubris
>>79033734 You know, that's the real sad thing about modern conservatives. They will deny water is wet if obama was to say it. This is why the party is cannibalizing itself, They're literally taking as many extremes possible just to be the opposite of the big bad liberal with zero regard for how this extreme will affect people.
Dropped the republican party when they wanted to go to war with a third world country over nuclear weapons that they didn't even have the capability to create, Lost all hope for the party when Obama says ISIS are in fact just a bunch of stray lunatics with guns that aren't worth the resources and the republican response was "NUH UH YOU'RE NOT TAKING SUPER THREAT ISIS SERIOUSLY". Who would take isis seriously? The only homeland attack they've ever made on the US was literally legally supplied by the US, in which case it's no different from any other mass shooting that happens once every couple of months.
>>79039522 > I agree with 97% of climate scientists who support man made climate change > I agree with the 3% who work for private think tank
And before someone vomits out the "debunking" from Christopher Moncton, whom has absolutely no qualifications in climate science; he added in neutral papers that expressed no position, but counted them as against.
>>79035493 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZayOUdjj-Po >>79035975 >somebody mentions feminists in yet another /co/ thread that has nothing to do with feminism I'm amazed it took this long >>79036131 I'm comparatively more pissed off at how they used My Future Self 'N' Me to claim that "second-hand smoke increases your risk of cancer" is a lie concoted by liberals to make you not do drugs.
Because as we all know, liberals hate people taking drugs. >>79036232 They didn't say it in the Rob Reiner episode... they said it in My Future Self 'n' Me >Director: Well, you know what us ultra-liberals say, when it comes to children and drugs, lies are OK. The ends justify the means. We'll take smoking, for instance. The truth is there's no hard evidence that second-hand smoke can kill but, we believe it's okay to lie about it as long as it gets people to stop smoking. >>79039326 >somebody says that scientists know what they're talking about >HURR DURRR SCIENTISM I do agree that people shouldn't automatically assume that science knows everything, but the way that word gets trotted out anytime somebody wants to use facts in these debates is absurd
>>79038078 >>79038366 Pretty much this. They're saying we're going to see some serious shit in 10 years. Well, they said the same thing 10 years ago. The 10 biggest ships in the world release more CO2 than every car on earth. And factories and automobiles are a drop in a bucket when compared to livestock and volcanoes. Is climate change partly anthropogenic? Sure. But there's really not much we can do about it. Stopping population growth would be much more effective than over-regulating industries.
>>79036547 Please tell me about all those clean energy companies the Obama administration subsidized that ended up going bankrupt while fighting explosively profitable energy solutions like fracking and the Keystone pipeline.
>>79041429 It's more like an oncologist pushing for everyone to have yearly cancer screenings. Yes, cancer is bad and you should get screened for it, but the oncologist has an economic stake in you getting yearly screenings.
Fracking has been largely opposed by local residents affected by the appearance of flammable tap water.
Keystone is a boon to Canadian oil sands extractors that rape the land and provide zero return to American workers. We're better off pumping the shitty crude out of N. Dakota than slurping the sludge out of Canada.
What we really need to do is mobilize a multi-national effort to exploit the vast liquid/gas hydrocarbon wealth of Titan, Saturn's most prominent moon and the only terrestrial body in the solar system with a dense atmosphere and extensive surface liquid.
>>79042960 This is how it is here thanks to media brainwashing. Go on /pol/ and tell them anthropogenic climate change is real. See how many cuckservatives come out of the woodwork with "muh 1998 anomalous year."
>>79042960 Yes, it's like this in the US. The GOP (with the help of Fox News and Right-Wing radio) tells their base that climate change isn't real despite all the scientific consensus, so they foolishly accept it as a matter of faith, just like every position the GOP takes. They're just being used by the interests of Oil corporations, who've been manufacturing this for years. The suposedly liberal media also helps because they present both "sides" as "equally valid" instead of just reporting the scientific truth, classic false equivalence "both sides do it" attitude they have. You don't see this in other countries because Oil companies don't have as much influence.
>>79043267 >Like solar and wind farms are going to bankrupt America. I mean come on, it's THE CURRENT YEAR! This. I live in Spain and almost half of our energy comes from renewable energy now. It's actually HELPING our economy, and Spain is now a leader in renewable energies and is doing good business with other countries, which will only grow. But all Republicans can say is MUH SOLYNDRA
>>79042960 Britbong here, we get a few of them. The main culprit is a little turd called Martin Durkin; in the 90's, he made a documentary full of lies and half-truths, got caught out in his bullshit (including not telling certain talking heads what the film was about, then editing the footage so they said what he wanted them to say), then whined about how the environmentalists were picking on him with their mean old facts.
He did the exact same thing in the 00's, on the same channel, presenting the same bullshit (and re-editing footage from completely different dupes) from most of the same arseholes in a completely different documentary, then whining about being persecuted when he got called out on his bullshit.
He broke the cycle this decade, by making a documentary about how Nigel Farage, the British equivalent of Donald Trump, was a great chap and everyone who criticised him was a stupid meanie.
Unfortunately, our Environment Minister is also a conspiracy dickbag, because our current government is run by stupid cunts, evil cunts and stupid, evil cunts.
>>79029387 What kind of scientists? Theoretical physicists? Chemists? Geologists? Biologists? You can't just say "scientist". That's like saying "I know you have a heart murmur because I'm a doctor" even though you're just a psychiatrist and not a cardiologist.
>>79043535 New Labour were mostly stupid dicks, evil dicks and stupid, evil dicks. By British standards, cunts are worse than dicks. Blair was an evil cunt, but he was not Cameron, who is a stupid, evil cunt.
>>79043723 >Are you sure South Park has this opinion They don't. I think more people should listen to the commentaries and see how little thought they actually put in to their messages. Quite often they're just accidental.
They used ManBearPig not because they wanted to suggest that global warming doesn't exist, but because they'd previously come up with the idea of ManBearPig and thought making fun of Al Gore was a good opportunity to use it. It was literally just because they thought ManBearPig was funny.
>>79045308 I'm not trolling, I said almost half. 42,8% to be exact >http://www.evwind.es/2014/12/24/renewable-energy-sources-wind-energy-pv-and-concentrated-solar-power-generated-42-8-of-spains-total-power-for-2014/49593
The fact that you thought I was trolling is exactly why Spain is so impressive in this particular area (our economy and unemployment rate still suck)
>>79045364 It probably is worth looking into but I'm going to keep shitting on liberals who whine about it until after Trump is in office and the mexicans are gone and immigration is slashed majorly. There is no fucking reason for me to be invested in a "better future for our children" if most of those children don't belong to my people but another group that illegally moved in.
That liberals don't understand this and don't realize how easy it would be to get nationalists on their side if they just dropped the xenophilia exposes why the Democratic party is rapidly ceasing to exist.
>>79045367 They set the ball rolling, so to speak, but you're right; nowadays it's mostly youtube videos of all those "documentaries" that want to balance out the truth with bullshit. >>79045394 Sorry if all these facts hurt your brain >>79045589 >he thinks Trump will get elected!
>>79045589 >why the Democratic party is rapidly ceasing to exist That's not what's happening at all. The Democrats are playing the long game, what you call "xenophilia" is actually a good strategy. They're playing the long game by appealing to groups who are a huge section of the electorate. Obama lost the white vote in 2012, he won thanks to minorities. The GOP's current strategy alienates all these voters, which works in the present to attract idiots like you, at the cost of long-term election prospects. In a few years, whites will no longer be the majority, and the GOP will have to adapt or die.
>>79045494 >>79045613 Anyway, here's some sources in English for you anon >http://www.aeeolica.org/en/about-wind-energy/wind-energy-in-spain/ >http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKL095131920080609 >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/?xml=/money/2008/04/07/ccwind107.xml >http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jan/06/wind-power-spain-electricity-2013
Additional fact. Spain is the fourth country in the world in terms of installed wind power after the US, Germany and China.
>>79037740 Actually, transportation isn't as much of a factor in carbon emissions as the production of meat for consumption. Nobody likes to hear that, I like to eat meat too, but reducing our consumption of animal products would be very helpful too.
There are some polls out there that suggest that Trump's attracting a sizable number of registered Democrat voters.
I fucking hate the guy too, but the fact that he's managed to stick around this long with a solid double-digit lead means that there's a good reason why people are lining up behind him and if other candidates want to get some attention, they need to start tapping into that mindset.
>>79048130 Trump just tells people what they want to hear, then pretends nobody's pointed out that he's full of shit.
God damn it, he pulled the exact same shit in 1999; he put out a shitty book about how he'd make America great again if he were President, then ran for the nomination, and failed because nobody gave a shit. He then did a crappy reality show, then brought out ANOTHER book about how he'd make America great again if he were President, then ran for the nomination.
Thing is, nobody else in the Republican party wants him running things, because unlike Bush THIS particular fuckwit won't be easily controlled into doing whatever the people behind the scenes want done.
>>79045589 Is it possible that we can have some middle ground here between the left's obsession over multiculturalism and the degenerate tribalism you espouse here? God man, take a second to at least pretend you have a scrap of human decency, and think that perhaps your sheltered and reactionary view may not be reflective of the complex reality we live in.
>>79048130 He literally just lies all the fucking time, so I guess it makes sense that some people are dumb enough to fall for his bullshit about closing tax loopholes and bringing jobs back to America. Look at his actions. Look at what he is. Bernie is the only candidate that will make meaningful progress towards either of those goals.
Republitards hate illegal immigrants so much yet they vote for retard Trump who hires them and shit on Bernie who wants to punish companies that hire them.
>>79048343 >Trump just tells people what they want to hear, then pretends nobody's pointed out that he's full of shit.
Oh believe me, I know. My uncle is pulling hard for him and I've given up trying to talk with him about it
The funny thing is that the party leaders would never want Cruz running things either since he has a reputation of being an uncompromising hardhead who pisses off everyone, but compared to Trump he's now the more reasonable, practical candidate. Shit, Rubio has a bad rap of being "the establishment" candidate now that Jeb is dead in the water, but even he was originally elected to his office on the Tea Party wave that ousted a large proportion of established incumbent Republicans behind them.
Both parties are pulling hard to the polar extremes (outright socialism on the Dems, and highly nationalistic outrage on the GOP) and this election year is not going to be pretty as a result.
>>79048343 >Thing is, nobody else in the Republican party wants him running things, because unlike Bush THIS particular fuckwit won't be easily controlled into doing whatever the people behind the scenes want done. They also don't want him running things because of the irreperable damage he'd do to the GOP brand. The GOP has managed to make people forget about Bush, but Trump is so loud and radical that it would be hard to forget him. He would single-handedly guarantee that latinos won't vote Republican for another generation, which would cost a lot of future elections.
>>79048416 >Bernie is the only candidate that will make meaningful progress towards either of those goals.
>the man who wants to design our country after an economic model in countries that have massively different demographics, socioeconomic issues, and geopolitical positions than America, and that Scandinavia itself is being forced to abandon after years of stagnation >"meaningful progress"
>>79048485 We Brits are going through some similar crap; it's been so long since we've had the Conservatives completely in power, we've forgotten how evil they are. Now they've got another five years to shit on us because they can.
Isn't the joke with "Man Bear Pig" that Al Gore has no idea what the fuck he's talking about and he's running around trying to save the day from ridiculous amalgamation of ideas?
At the time they first made this joke, Al Gore was trying to set up an investment racket by establishing carbon credits which could be bought and sold at profit, and realistically it wasn't even going to control carbon emissions. It was just going to be a lot of rent seeking that was going to get abused by people trolling the law for free money.
With Bernie I can get paid more for sitting on my ass than I would becoming a drone for the multinational corporations who start wars and spread scientific denialism in order to keep people stupid so that they can vote for their brand of candidates.
Hell I get paid more than I would working at McDonalds which is the only place I can work.
There is no scientific consensus of climate change being caused by humans. There isnt even temperature data to back it up. The temperature in the past 10 years is pretty much early 1900s level. Middle ages had a warming period.
But lots of these people who cling and scream "scientific consensus" are the same people who said the earth was the center of the universe. Climate Change is caused by humans is the new flat Earth
>>79051281 >cuckservatives have to actually lie to support their points
"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities."
>Climate Change is caused by humans is the new flat Earth
geocentrism/flat earth/humans having no effect on the climate is the old status quo that was believed before we had any capacity to measure the variables involved
heliocentrism/round earth/anthropogenic climate change is the new model that the overwhelming majority of individuals educated on the subject assert as truth using scientific evidence
>>79040515 as a professional in atmospheric thermodynamics, i have never once gotten grant money for a proposal that suggested global warming was either miscalculated, or misattributed. If you want to spout nonsense, you should at least use real figures.
>>79043441 but most "american conservatives" don't get their information from the news media, but rather anywhere online. unless you're suggesting corporate shills, i don't see how they have influence on modern casual discourse.
>>79051479 You made that term up, there exists no such trait in molecular physics. There is no such thing as "a molecule which gives as much radiation off as it absorbs no matter how much radiation is shined on it." It's simple: Carbon Dioxide is denser then Hydrogen Dioxide and thus stores more heat-per-volume. More mass = more energy potential, just look a Venus.
There is no question that an atmosphere of pure C2O would store more heat when bombarded with the same amount of radiation than an atmosphere of pure water vapor, the only question is whether or not man-made emissions produce an appreciable difference in the atmospheric composition.
And yet the folks South Park insist otherwise. South Park assumes that there is always a middle ground and asserts that the middle ground is best path denying that there is clear distinction between good and evil between the two parties.
Which is bull because anyone can see that a biology professer who spent 10 years in the field making contributions and my school textbook has more credibility than a theologian toting creationism
And actual non naturalistic Doctors in general and my school textbook has more credibility than some botox babe from playboy and her phoney homeopaths regarding the effectiveness of vaccines
And a climatologist has more credibility than an obvious oil company shill.
I would also like to note people like South Park and Maddox convince would be liberals that they're is no right or wrong when it comes to politics...
...I usually not their arguments have a hyper masculine right wing slant. Kind of like how Team America completely justifies the American Military declaring war on Iraq in a "we're kind of shitty but you are shittier" method. Like Michael Moore would ever suicide bomb anyone. People believed that stupid puppet movie and voted for Bush because everyone views us smart empathetic people as pussies.
This is why I suspect the whole libertarian movement to be some kind of crypto republican movement(how's that for a conspiracy theory nutjobs?*BURP!*)
I mean take the "libertarian" candidate that all libertarians worshiped, Ron Paul. He was a Republican and a very bigoted one too. I still laugh when they try to point out that he had no dirt on him, and yet I dig up the newsletters, and then claim he didn't write like a good fashioned denialists.
Suffice to say, I voted for John Kerry and Barrack Obama, and I say I am very unapologetic about it.
>>79052955 Yes it is, scientists can and have gotten shit wrong before and it's reached a point where scientific "facts" can't be refuted without corrupt scientists with special interests shitting on someone.
It's like we have the complete power to make the world a good decent place, but those who are in power are doing everything to keep us from utopia by creating and exploting feeble minds.
Don't tell me "do your own research" I have and I got an A+ on all homework assignments yet I can't get a job. I deserve millions and yet I get nothing while all the undeserving evil in the world gets and puts me down.
Well I'm on welfare so now they are paying for me! *Burps and farts in your face while scarfing down hot pockets*
>>79037484 Also Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian weren't afraid of what others thought of them, and look what happened to them!
If I were to become a doctor I would have to deal with this and people calling me baby murderer and threatening to kill and rape me because that's world wants to do to you if you are altruistic. Because being humanitarian makes you a tool of the Illuminati according to nutjobs.
I mean look at the movie they all worship, The Matrix. They applaud the protagonists shooting up security guards doing their jobs with no irony. Not to mention "freeing people's minds" is not even worth it because the whole world is destroyed anyway. No trees no sunlight nothing.
But it doesn't matter, I don't have a positive view of humanity anyway. I read the Time Machine and it has had an effect on me the same way 1984 had an effect on me. In that book. humanity evolved in a way where the upper class evolve into weak little critters due to their years of comfort and hedonism, and the lower working class evolves into strong multi limbed monsters who prey on the former upper class due to constantly working and being strong enough to live in harsh conditions. The protagonist travels further into the future and Earth becomes flooded in ocean and what was once humanity becomes abstract octopi. Thus showing that millions of years from now, all civilization was for naught. What I do now will be completely irrelevant in the far future anyway, a drop in an ocean of piss. There is no God and there was he'd be a xenophobic redneck who'd send me to hell for not slapping my woman and ruining the Earth and worshipping him 24/7.
>>79053275 >Don't tell me "do your own research" I have and I got an A+ on all homework assignments yet I can't get a job. I deserve millions and yet I get nothing while all the undeserving evil in the world gets and puts me down.
Let's install solar panels for everyone in America! We'll use all that extra money we use for infrastructure and education! How many wind generators will it take to power the southwest? Five? Six? Tens of thousands? Maybe we should ask all the rich people in Washington to accept minimum wage for a year, defund the military, and call in all national debt so we can use that money to build a few dozen nuclear power plants!
>>79062912 Because climate change denialists who think they know more than actual scientists still exist. They've got their head so far up their ass that the idea that Spain gets over 40% of its energy from renewables seems impossible to them, because in their world only Oil and coal are effective and renewable energies are cons made by liberals
>>79063238 Spain is a lot smaller than the US and also sunnier than most states.
Man-made climate change is real, but I think perhaps the extent of its effects and the methods of limiting them are entirely up for debate. It would be nice for the whole world to unite to solve this problem, but national/provincial governments are only ever going to tackle problems after the fact and with their own interests in mind.
>>79063430 Spain gets more WIND power than Solar Power. 20% of our energy comes from Wind Turbines.
You're sadly right about governments. The biggest problem is China. They pollute so much that the air in their cities is incredibly toxic. If they don't even care about their own citizens' health, we shouldn't expect them to care about Climate Change.
>>79038277 >The idea that climate change is just funding bait is absolutely retarded.
It's funny because you can use that assbackwards logic to go after every scientific field.
>Germ theory? Doctors just profit from that idea. >The Big Bang and Black Holes? They're not real, its just funding bait for astrophysicists. >Evolution? Biologists have an incentive to push that debunked theory
>>79063656 Not to mention, Exxon scientists, who would have an obvious monetary incentive to disprove climate change, were among the first to discover it. The Koch brothers once gave funding to one of the scientists among the 3% of climate change deniers, only for him to do research and conclude that man-made climate change is real.
>>79063733 >http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/29/koch-funded-climate-scientist-i-was-wrong-humans-are-to-blame/ That was hilarious, and also shows that the guy was a real scientist. he had doubts until he saw the evidence from his reserach, and once presented with this eveidence he changed his mind. I wonder who the remaining 3% of these deniers are.
>>79064186 Exactly. If he had concluded that climate change wasn't man made, he would have gotten even more money. The "money" argument used by deniers ignores the fact that Oil companies make way more money than anyone involved in renewable energy or whatever. There's more money to be made in denying climate change than there is in acknowledging it.
>>79063497 Wind is simply more efficient than solar.
As far as China goes, that government is starting to wake up to the pollution issue, but with the economic slowdown biting in and increasing the importance of investment and productivity, I doubt that any serious environmental controls will be put into place.
The city of Beijing recently had its worst-ever recorded level of air pollution. Granted it's usually worse in the winter due to cold air being more dense, but that's really saying something.
>>79064221 The US Embassy in China posts air pollution levels on their Twitter. However, the numbers they report are much higher than the "official" numbers, which obviously angers the Chinese government.
>>79064199 You keep capitalizing "oil". Are you some kind of autist? Do you realize that coal is actually the primary source of air-borne pollutants because only developing countries still use coal on a large scale? Do you realize that rooftop solar and small-scale private wind energy is actually a booming industry in well-developed areas these days?
You are starting to sound like a tree-hugging Greenpeace hippy.
>>79064274 Actually, my mistake is just capitalizing oil and saying "Oil company" instead of saying "Oil Company". Yes, I do know about Coal, and you're right, I should include it in my arguments instead of just going after Big Oil.
>Do you realize that rooftop solar and small-scale private wind energy is actually a booming industry in well-developed areas these days Yes, and I'm glad it's happening.
>>79064256 You think nuclear is ever going to make up the energy/effort/political capital put into it? You have to continuously mine more and more fuel, just like coal or oil, and the refinement process is even more resource-intensive.
You're just plain stupid if you think wind turbines can't return the investment in a decade or less.
I'm all for nuclear power, but until it's small and safe enough to work in a car and/or can last for decades without fuel replenishment, we need something less dangerous and retarded.
>>79064258 Duh, any sign of the Chinese government looking bad angers them. When women started protesting against rape, the government arrested the activists because it made Beijing look weak on rape. What a bunch of incompetent morons. If they didn't have such a massive and advanced military coupled with their incredibly pervasive state security systems, they could be dealing with a large-scale rebellion at any given moment.
>>79064359 So capitalizing "Oil", using the term "Big Oil" (which is a term everyone uses) and being in favor of renewable energies makes me an autist. Good to know. I guess that means all of my arguments would automatically be invalid, which means you don't have to go to the effort of actually having to argue or use facts that disprove me. You win!
>>79064585 If by "bias" you mean that I accept the need for oil but dislike the industry's proven misinformation campaigns, their attempts to impede renewables, their price manipulations and their lobbying of politicians to get their way, than I guess I am. Just because a companies have done good doesn't make them immune to criticism. By your logic, we shouldn't criticize anything the US Military ever does. Fossil fuels have been necessary and will continue to be so in the future, that doesn't give companies the right to try and impede progress or science in order to boost their profits.
>>79064880 >Where did that come from? They're just doing their jobs, man. True, they're just following orders from above. Allow me to rephrase it: by your logic we shouldn't criticize anything the US government ever does
Why is that climate change denialists are so quick to claim all evidence is fake and done to get more grant money or because of moneyed interests from the all-powerful renewable energy lobby and the evil governments, but if you tell them that Oil Companies bankroll misinformation about denialism you're called a conspiracy theorist hippie?
>>79065651 Because no matter what group or age, people hate to admit they're wrong and put their feelings first. I also forget the name of the fallacy (broken car fallacy maybe) where they've invest so much time into believing in something that they can't bare to throw it away no matter how much evidence gets shoved in their face.
Or worse yet, someone did fake evidence or get something wrong and there fore all evidence is wrong.
Truth is: 1) Both sides of Green Politics are captained by cunts and liars. 2) Whether you side with deniers or earth-corps, you'll be made to pay and regret your decision. 3) When Apocalypose/DeepImpact/Armageddon/Aliens/GlobalWarming/Rapture is announced as real: There'll be always be price gouging and tax hikes. Pick your hell.
OP, Futurama is right about Global Warming, but it ass kisses a LOSER like Al Gore and gets all touchy feely with environmental bullshit. Futurama is a smart show, but's liberal pussy traits rear their ugly head from time to time. They a right, but for the wrong reasons.
Now South Park may be wrong, but they are wrong for the right reasons. Hippies should be shot, lit on fire and sent 1000mph on a fiery oil tanker towards the nearest rainforest. If there is one thing the world needs less of, it is insipid environmental cartoons. Fuck the rainforest seriously. So what if Global Warming is real? Does not mean I have to have the usage of my car restricted? How am I going to go to work? I love my freedoms, it's something I have that Muslims and the Mexicans are trying to take away from me(except in the Mexicans case where they offer to mow my lawn. And as long as they do so, I will support some kind of open border policy.) Also, so what if the Earth gets flooded, only the poor people will suffer? Who's going to miss jigglely Jugallo Jurgans and buck tooth Billy Bob at the nearest trailer park? No one! It is the rich and privileged as well as the survivalist warriors like me, who deserve to live, not fucking fat poor as shit people. So if the Earth gets flooded good! That means no more homeless people once the tide dries. Gee we got rid of an economic problem! You can also say rising sea levels can get rid of the terrorism problem too! Drown the motherfuckers! Plus, even with the restrictive liberal policy changes, carbon emissions are inevitable, therefore global warming would be inevitable, why do we have to give up our luxury just stave off doomsday? Shouldn't we be living it up? Climate Change denial might be bad, but it is not as thunderously anti intellectual as the anti vax movement(who all should be raped and tortured). Point is, I prefer to be wrong for the right reasons than right for the wrong reasons, more morally pure.
>>79048343 Trump does have a lot of solid ideas. Even amongst edgy nonsense that pisses people off because it is edgy.
For instance, the immigration plan is solid. Usually "build a big wall" plans don't work out. Especially if you know Chinese history like I do and how the Chinamen tried to keep out the Mongolians "STUPID MONGORIANS!!!" Generally it would be a waste of taxpayer money. But Trump's version is sheer perfection. We'll just force Mexico to build it, they are technically rich enough to do it, and the immigration problem is not are fucking fault as usual. And if they don't we'll get all the illegal immigrants to build for free citizenship. Those wetback workers will be put to the test by building a beaner wall, and we'll end racism by putting the lazy Mexican stereotype to rest. Hear that Carlos Mencia? Build my wall!!!
The War on Terror solution is also solid. I said it once and I'll say it again. It is the Muslim's fault the economy got rekt, therefore we should punish them and not good hard working Americans. Banning them temporarily should do the trick, as well as lifting some those pesky Geneva Convention
>>79066938 Of course it doesn't exonerate from wrongdoing, Deomcrats are far from perfect. I'm just against people claiming "both sides are just as bad" It's like saying that an incompetent firefighter is just as bad as an arsonist. You should criticize the firefighter for being incompetent, but you should criticize the arsonist far more. By saying the democrats are just as bad as the republicans, you make people cynical about both parties and about government, which plays to the advatage of Republicans, who get to look better while also vindicating their anti-government policies.
>>79066707 Dude, think about it: why the FUCK would Mexico want to pay for something that keeps them out? Even if the Mexican government wanted to sign off on that bullshit, the Mexican voters would go "Fuck you, that horse won't run" and vote for any politician that goes "Yeah, we're not doing that". And that's not even taking into account the various rivers, mountains and tribal land that are around the border (before you ask "lol who cares about Injuns?", remember that this isn't the 19th century - if the US gov't fucks with tribal land these days, they tend to get their asses handed to them in court).
Also, the economy went to shit because laissez-faire has never, ever worked as an economic policy. Not everything's about Muslims. Someday, you'll understand that. >>79066733 You do know you can't put signatures on your posts, right? On account of this not being a forum? >>79066938 Why do conservatives think that ignoring false equivalence will exonerate them of any wrongdoing? They do it whenever anyone dare suggest that facts be used for science
>>79067012 People should be cynical of the parties and government, they're shit. Liberals try to convince themselves that if they throw out "false equivalence" enough times, people will ignore how shit they are. It doesn't work.
>>79067727 >and I fucking hate anybody who thinks a simple solution will solve a complicated problem Me too. I especially hate it when the attitude is "there's no perfect solution, so let's just do nothing"
>>79068843 >A large portion of the scientific community believes it doesn't exist. >appeal to majority fallacy cuckservatives also cooke et al is not nearly the only source of that consensus, you fucking retard
>>79068942 How? I ackowledged you were right about the Military. I was saying that by your logic that "Oil Companies have done a lot of good so I should be grateful and not criticize them" you could say the same of any organization that's done good, like the US Government, the Church or others. How am I being stupid?
>>79068843 Is it really the majority? There are plenty of ignorant assholes out in public who don't believe in human-caused climate change. Then most scientists are like, "guys seriously, we have data..."
>>79029359 >which one is written and helmed by qualified scientists and mathematicians who can understand the statistical trends Is that why Futurama is so unfunny? Scientists really should stick to science instead of writing.
>almost literally all the world's pollution problems come from china >all other countries heavily regulate every industry to reduce their already minuscule impact on the environment >all companies just go "k we're goin 2 china cya fags"
>>79072302 No, buzzwords are one of the many things which has ruined society's capability to actually have a real discourse about current events.
Seriously, every argument I ever hear anymore boils down to:
>it's real to me, dammit! >no, imma call u a cuck to instantaneously throw out ur opinion because erryone knos that buzzwords hold more argumentative powers than facts ;^) >But muh feelings say I'm right!
I see it in the 4chan. I see it in the Tumblr. It's even on the goddamn news. The internet was supposed to enlighten us. It was supposed to surpass the printing press in sheer power of informing people. But it has done the opposite. It's made us more ignorant. Some how the information highway has enabled us to develop our own isolated information circle jerks.
And our isolation has divided us into petty factions that hold even more sub-factions. Whites hold animosity to Balcks; and blacks towards whites. Women hate men and men hate women.
And it's all your fault. If you only went out of your way to think about stuff and to explore the cyber-highway of the world wide web, we wouldn't be in this position. But naw, binge-watching netflix and reading dank memes about how that one group is wrong and worse than you is more important.
>>79069123 >Then most scientists are like, "guys seriously, we have data..."
All it took was bleeding heart liberals and 1 or 2 scientists who actually forged data early on and claimed the world was ending in 2016 to make people think all the scientific data are just liberals lining people's pockets.
Truth is that climate change won't be fully accepted for decades because of this.
>>79069925 More like >there's a small leak in the boat >some people start freaking out like the the boat could sink any minute >trying "patching up the leak" with nonsense like painting the entire boat a different color >most people more concerned with fishing than devoting all their attention on a small leak that can easily be properly fixed once they reach a port
>>79048590 >schizophrenic weather patterns resulting in record breaking heatwaves, coldfronts, and hurricanes, which we can stop from happening with enough money, and even if it fails to stop it or if climate change is just a big lie, we still now have much more efficient energy production than before >not relevant to voters
>"nuclear winter canceled it out" >hehehe >later they show they fight off global warming by throwing ice into the ocean >From a comet >the middle of a comet is the nucleus that was actually pretty clevs.
anyway anyone who has a problem with global warming needs to remember that ice doesnt just FORM. it has to have been liquid at some point. If it was okay for the climate to change once, then it's okay for it to change back. and right now it's not doing any ONE thing, it's changing in every possible way at once. which in my book is called balanced and even.
Al Gore is the worst thing to ever happen to the climate change cause, because he allowed it to become easily politicized, and automatically cut out any people who happen to hate Al Gore.
Even today, mention this issue to Americans, and their first thought usually involves Al Gore, which is a fucking joke. It's bigger than one man, and certainly far bigger than one ambitious politician looking to ride a cause to the White House.
>>79084536 >anyway anyone who has a problem with global warming needs to remember that ice doesnt just FORM. it has to have been liquid at some point. If it was okay for the climate to change once, then it's okay for it to change back.
You remember that one movie, it starred Kevin Costner. It's called Water World. You remember the opening scene?
Like, yeah, the Earth would survive, and odds are good it wouldn't get as BAD as Water World, but the now liquid water from dem polar Ice caps needs to go somewhere when it turns liquid.
>>79035552 >It was a very interesting read and very well researched. No. This is a book by Kevin Kruse. Have you read White Flight? If you had, you would know nothing this man writes is well researched, and beyond biased.
He finds out that "Under God" and a few other things were only added in the 50's, and in his mind this means that the USA was only CALLED a majority christian country, and actually isn't. A simple fucking LOOK at census data either recently or historically can show you just how wrong he is in that assumption.
But these nonsensical leaps of logic are standard for this guy. He wrote in White Flight how the white southerners who moved out of the cities were all racists, and somehow(without any sort of explaination or logic behind it) managed to take over the entire republican party, despite being a small part of it.
Why in the HELL would you link a history revisionist as a source? Might as well slap a sign on your forehead that says "I'll believe anything I'm told!"
Thread replies: 470 Thread images: 55
Thread DB ID: 448165
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the shown content originated from that site. This means that 4Archive shows their content, archived. If you need information for a Poster - contact them.
If a post contains personal/copyrighted/illegal content, then use the post's [Report] link! If a post is not removed within 24h contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org with the post's information.