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JSA Storytime: Thunderbolts 2016-01-16 01:01:08 Post No. 79023744
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Good evening owls of /co/,
Shit's going down! DOWN!
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>>79023744
>JRJR
>All New Wasp
I don't like this comic stuff today
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>>79023744
Before I get going, if you missed it end of last thread, I went trawling and found the Secret Wars mini that's basically the end of Remender Cap, and this is the last page
if that's not some meta commentary...
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>>79023780
>>All New Wasp
RIP Jan
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>>79023744
Hello Storyteller.
Does said shit involve Graviton just getting a damn job and/or shutting the hell up?
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Pepepool when?
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>>79023798
>has clarified its plan for one of its two offerings for this year's Free Comic Book Day: The issue will contain a "Civil War II" prelude story by writer Brian Michael Bendis and artist Jim Cheung, along with a story by "All-New, All-Different Avengers" writer Mark Waid and legendary artist Alan Davis introducing an All-New Wasp. RIP
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In other bad news...a Thor co-writer is rewriting Fox's Flash Gordon movie.
This is after a previous draft by Star Trek reboot writers.
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>>79023828
Keep reading to find out!
>>79023876
Now the question is, how rushed is Davis on this job
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>>79021976
Lots of great Storytimes tonight.
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>>79023879
>a Thor co-writer is rewriting Fox's Flash Gordon movie.
That's a shame
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>>79023879
https://youtu.be/MS4_Z84-rRE
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>>79023893
>those credits
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>>79023896
more like lots of big mean jerks trying to make me feel bad about comics
fuck emerald twilight
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>>79023907
It's going to be such a hackneyed mess.
>>79023929
Enjoy the movie. love the Soundtrack, but it was such a double edged sword.
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>>79023879
It's a shame Thor will ever have a good movie
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>>79023780
>>79023798
Poor Jan is never going to catch a break.
>Oh, but she's a bitch.
Then make her less of a bitch. She's fictional, it ain't her fault writers make her act like an asshole.
>>79023796
It may not be meta commentary, but it does reek of salt. I don't even have any context for this, and yet I can smell the pungent odor of bitterness. Goddamn.
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>>79023893
First nick SR and ff and now Janet.
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>>79023929
now THERE'S a band what knew and loved their opera
Zemo's all: fuck this, man
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>>79023954
There is no need to be upset.
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>>79023971
>it ain't her fault writers make her act like an asshole
You're talking too much sense.
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>>79024000
But I am, anon
what are you gonna do about it
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>>79023958
Agreed
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>>79023971
>I don't even have any context for this
We have pretty much had it confirmed that Remender was going to be doing something with the X-Men post-SW, and he had a ton of dangling plot threads in his Cap, and then he walked
and we got the current reheated trashfire on the X-line
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>>79024047
that makes the Marvel logo in the last panel a little more biting
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>>79023893
>vacuum is gravity
Resisting the urge to bitch about what little science I actually know is causing my ears to bleed.
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>>79024047
and Uncanny Avengers plot lines
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>>79023998
https://youtu.be/uKLMYZlbIb8 the only good thing from that terrible comic.
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>>79024047
I still wanna know all the X-Men stuff he had planned
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>>79024097
Right, those too
I just know a ton of people were assblasted about his Cap, and I'm not sure why, except that a lot of them seemed very confused/dismayed about Cap doing gonzo sci-fi which makes me think they came in with Bru and maybe Waid's Man Out of Time
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>>79023998
Since they're probably about to die horribly I want to ask: I'm not the only one who thought Good Meteorite and Hero Beetle should have made out, right?
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>>79024161
Well Bru set the tone for like 10 years. Most people didn't know what to make of Kirby stuff. and Remender was getting a lot of heat just bc he was the big writer at the time to iirc
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>>79024007
I hate when people act like it's a fictional character's fault that they are poorly portrayed, as if the non-existent entity has any say in the matter.
>>79024047
Oh yeah. That's definitely salt.
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>>79024041
Well, here's to the increasing dread of more news
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>>79024246
>I hate when people act like it's a fictional character's fault that they are poorly portrayed, as if the non-existent entity has any say in the matter.
Did somebody say
Scarlet Witch
?
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>>79024161
Darkforce is pretty cool. Ellis sure fucking made Sepulchre cool.
Bendis made her a punchline.
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>>79024246
I've seen so many threads on thesubject
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>>79024262
Didn't some editor actually say they hated Wanda because of no more mutants?
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>>79024241
I'd have to go back and look at it specifically but it was really angry in spots, the whole FIRE RICK REMENDER campaign; but much of it just reeked of a rather confused "Where is muh Cap/Bucky? What the fuck is Arnim Zola?"
>>79024319
yes
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>>79024273
It's like Bendis only knows how to drag characters down.
>Ha ha look at this nobody! She's barely been in any comics, therefore she is utter shit and always will be shit!
Come to think of it, that lines up with Quesada's "That 'no such thing as bad characters' stuff is CRAP" views pretty well.
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>>79024416
It's in the babysitter interview talking head pages of New Avengers, wherein Squirrel Girl is hired by Luke and Jess
and it turns out she knows Wolverine! Shock!
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>>79024339
I feel like it was spill over from anger at Uncanny Avengers too
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>>79024339
>What the fuck is Arnim Zola?
Can't people appreciate batshit Nazi science anymore?
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>>79024319
>hating the gun, not the shooter
Please. Wanda was a plot device in that story. That editor's beef should be with the writer.
Hell, I don't like Power Girl, but that's because people keep writing her as an abrasive jackass. She was okay in Johns JSA at least.
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>>79024455
>>79024463
Not gonna lie: I laughed at the hobo piss comment.
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>>79024469
It should actually be with Quesada because "Morrison created too many mutants" was one of his "genies that need to be re-bottled" alongside the Spider-Marriage and "everyone in the MU is too friendly with each other now, we need a Civil War."
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>>79024416
>>79024455
Honestly, the joke wasn't that mean spirited. It's just her getting angry about people mispronouncing her name. Hell, in all likelihood it was something that Bendis got annoyed about.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQy-ANhnUpE
So....catching a matinee to this just for John Goodman
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>>79024476
I did too, although I also disliked UA, so that was just a fun experience all around
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>>79024533
Eh, I thought it was more of a petty punchline joke than truly mean, but still.
The Tigra "licking her lips at Luke Cage" thing was much ickier, considering how he used her.
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>>79024634
dammit, FabNic
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>>79024476
Is this Beetle the same one from Superior Foes, or is that someone else?
>>79024521
>too friendly
.... I'm sorry, in what bull cockamamie reality is superheroes getting along with each other a BAD thing? At this point, Quesada has to be clinically insane.
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>>79024654
>.... I'm sorry, in what bull cockamamie reality is superheroes getting along with each other a BAD thing?
One where readers like to see them fight. Which has been a big thing for Marvel since Human Torch and Namor.
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>>79024654
This is an earlier Beetle; that Beetle first appears in Foes, and is the daughter of Tombstone, a Spidey rogue himself
Comrade fills me in that the events described here happened in an earlier *** Foes of Spider-Man series, which is a villain-centric occasional Spidey book. We just got lucky this time around with the comedy.
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>>79024654
Sheetle from Superior Foes is a dyed-in-the-wool bad guy.
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>>79024654
>.... I'm sorry, in what bull cockamamie reality is superheroes getting along with each other a BAD thing
You can't milk drama (and sales) over superheroes getting along and being BFFs!
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>>79024725
HI RICHIE!
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>>79024654
>superheroes getting along with each other a BAD thing?
Too much like DC I guess.
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>>79024653
>dammit, FabNic
I get not wanting to keep superfluous characters around, but you don't have to kill them. Someone else might want to use them, and killing them off just forces them to come up with some crap about how they came back to life.
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>>79024727
"Screw my dad!"
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>>79024763
Hey now!
DC had Trinity War, which was kinda heroes fighting each other sometimes.
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>>79024778
Agree 10000%
I know we slag on Bendis, and it's not always fair, but him killing Victoria Hand? That was pure bullshit.
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>>79024654
>>79024724
"Remember how when heroes would meet for the first time, they'd always fight each other before realizing they were on the same side? I miss those days, that should be their default behavior."
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>>79024829
That was recent. Historically, you had DC heroes being friends and teaming up while every Marvel hero ended up introducing themselves via punch to the face.
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CBR interview talked about Civil War
>A big character dies, and another... well, you won't look at them quite the same way ever again
>This death -- some might even call it murder
who's killing who. or more specifically who'sCaptain Marvelkilling
>>79024551
and MEW
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>>79024924
Well that too.
It's nice to see her in something after the whole Thing prequel debacle.
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>>79024924
Some of the popular guesses for the murder victim are She-Hulk, Bucky, or War Machine
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>>79024161
I just didn't care for the ending leading into AXIS. Like those last few pages where Sharon just shows up again and tells everyone that Jet was a traitor and everyone instantly believes her and Jet runs off with her dad
And then no follow up
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>>79024924
I really want see how big a fit is thrown when the first issue comes out or wheneverCarolkills somebody.I hope it's on panel
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>>79024970
that's fair! I just kept reading elsewhere some sustained complaints that were not along those lines (I haven't even read that part of the run, either)
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>>79025012
yes, please be on panel
UHOH HE'S MAD
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>>79025012I hope it's bloody.
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Hello owls.
Judge reminded me to go and check all the Everything Is edits I missed and I laughed for like an hour straight.
It's the best. THE BEST.
Also RIP Redeemers
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>>79025036
I don't like how Zircher draws her hair.
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>>79025039
I'm hoping for Sentry and Ares bloody, but not expecting it
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>>79025049
HI COMRADE
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>>79025036
>you can't conquer the world, I called dibs!
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>>79023971
We got a Wasp that people liked in EMH. Just do literally that, it isn't that hard!
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>>79025082
That is completely what Zemo is thinking. It has to be.
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>>79024924
I absolutely despise that this is going to result in a big fight. Okay, so Carol is doing a Minority Report thing. Why the hell can't we just sit down and talk about this like adults?
>Because hero vs hero shit still sells for some reason.
Yeah, I know, but still.
Hell, I'd be willing to bet good damn money that someone recently saw Minority Report and said "HEY, IMMA DO DAT!". The fact that there's a sequel series to the film currently airing gives me no shame in pushing this theory.
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>>79025049
And there's more coming out at the end of the month!
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>>79025102
HI REED
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>>79023744
>>79025074
I love this Hawkeye and Moonstone cover logo.
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sad Jan fan
>I'm devastated. I'm so done. How am I gonna continue with my life when Janet was the only thing I was looking forward to see
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>>79025021
The #firerickremnder thing was a joke
Falcon and Jet have sex, people on tumbler start shit saying she's under age, Remender says she's not, people tell the writer who created the character he's wrong
Also all the Kirby shit was rad, I just wish we got more of The Green Skull the left wing version of everyones favorite Nazi
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That Wasp news just makes me cringe. Who is movie synergy supposed to appeal to, exactly?
>>79025074
Hi storyteller.
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>>79025126
>Rain of the Supermen
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>>79025108
And a recap coming out in 3 days
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>>79025156
Movie goers who definitely want to pay 4 dollars for 20 pages that will last than 15 minutes at most
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>>79025133
I know it doesn't work out and yet I still ship it
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>>79025156
Man, Ant-Man was the only MCU movie I've liked since Cap 1.
So, even I don't fucking know.
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>>79025101
Exactly. That Jan was adorable and actually a pretty cool character. She ended up being the heart and had a surprising friendship with Hulk.
>>79025156
>Who is movie synergy supposed to appeal to, exactly?
Marvel's marketing department.
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>>79025190
I love how Zemo is all HUMAN AFFECTION WHAT IS THIS???
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>>79025190
I love that's Zemo's greatest weakness seems to be children hugging him.
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What's on for Storytime of pain?
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>>79025173
But if you already saw the movie, why would you pay money to read about something that's absolutely the same? You saw the movie! I'd like to think people would be like "Whoa, that movie was cool, I wonder what other stories are in the comics?"
Also I'm fairly sure there's still no support that synergy sells books other than the general "Avengers are a big name now so Avengers books sell" factor.
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>>79025190
Can't you ship things you know will end badly?
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>>79025156
Just marvel hoping moviegoers will buy it out of impulse should they hear about it.
I know people are still whining about new 52 but at least it was basically the opposite of what marvel's doing. DC's changing shit FOR the movies instead of changing stuff BECAUSE of the movies.
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>>79025243
>Also I'm fairly sure there's still no support that synergy sells books other than the general "Avengers are a big name now so Avengers books sell" factor.
it made people aware enough of the GOTG to pick up Bendis books I guess? although now most of the solo relaunches are doing worse than before
did that Gamora book ever materialize?
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>>79025212
>>79025239
No SOP scheduled at the moment
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>>79024888
I think someone once compared Bendis to a child who breaks his toys so that nobody else can play with them, but then I consider some characters WOULD get ruined eventually.
Say what you will about Gillen's Journey Into Mystery, the fact that he killed Kid Loki before somebody else count retcon him as always being evil is believable.
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>>79025279
>did that Gamora book ever materialize?
Woah, it's been 2 years.
Nah.
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>>79025212
Careful Zemo,you may be in for a situation similar to the one Karla was recently in with the Matrix of Leadership. Uh...I mean the moonstone.
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>>79025279
>did that Gamora book ever materialize?
hahahahha
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>>79025212
Now you see, Helmut, that warm tingly feeling you feel in your belly right now? That's what happens when you help people and make them happy.
>>79025243
I kinda doubt movie goers in general even bother to read the comics anyway.
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>>79025259
You can, but in this case, we know how badly it ends in the general sense of how villainous Karla goes back to being, that it takes a lot of the fun out of it.
>>79025298
Has it really fucking been two years?
>>79025291
I've seen some very, very mad Loki fans about what Aaron is doing. Lemme find you a bit.
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>>79025345
>Has it really fucking been two years?
I honestly think it might be.
It was like announced a long time ago.
A year and a half at least.
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>>79025243
Eh, I do know a couple people who get confused with comics aren't exactly like the movie.
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>>79025279
At least that made people buy Guardians of Infinity which has very very little to do with the MCU GOTG other than cameos.
Also a lot of the "new" things they put out due to movieshit have flopped. Inhumans books sell poorly, even with the big new launch wave. That Deathlok book was a fucking disaster, and the "TOTALLY NOT THE TV SHOW" SHIELD book continues to be a mediocre seller.
Ugh.
>>79025211
>Exactly. That Jan was adorable and actually a pretty cool character.
I'm legit mad they're removing Jan for synergy purposes.
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>>79025370
wasn't it announced at SDCC last year? or no wait because people thought it would be part of the last all new relaunch right? it has been nearly two years
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>>79025345
>Has it really fucking been two years?
It was announced in the works in mid to late 2014 at least
Then it was announced for ANAD...
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>>79025345
in a fix? point a sword at it!
> I was reassured by the talk of stories and mischief not murder, and I like the way he looks a lot more than most people. However, evil Lady Loki being the only female Loki, and treated like an exception, has me worried that they are just going to drop Loki's female form and gendershifting like it never happened. And something about the way Loki's being written and reacted to is rubbing me up the wrong way, when he was arguing with himself I thought we'd already covered that ground and reached a different conclusion.
Okay, less mad and more "but why?", but Loki fans who loved Gillen/Ewing: no happy
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>>79025411
How fucking hard can a Gamora book BE?
The Drax book is as far as I can tell making no waves
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>>79025397
>At least that made people buy Guardians of Infinity which has very very little to do with the MCU GOTG other than cameos.
that was quite a surprise! curious to see how the numbers hold up on that one down the line
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>>79025436
Well when you already have your 6 guys writing 3-5 books each, you don't want them to get stretched too thin, you know?
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>>79025436
>The Drax book is as far as I can tell making no waves
I'm pretty sure the only reason it's getting any attention is because a wrestler is co-writing it, frankly
>>79025411
I get the feeling that soon a lot of people who got into Marvel because of the movies and marketing are going to be hitting their "why would you DO THAT" moments soon
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>>79025399
I knew I wasn't losing it haha.
>>79025397
No fighitng it Bull
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>>79025411
>I was reassured by the talk
Don't believe the hype. Fraction talked about his Thor run like it was going to be something out of Heavy Metal
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>>79025437
>yfw it too drops 50% by #2
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>>79025436
I didn't know Drax even had a book. Guess it's going over as well as Lobo.
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So, other than the Cloverfield 2 Trailer...
Neil Patrick Harris has been cast as Count Olaf in Netflix's A Series of Unfortunate Events Series.
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>>79025436
Kaaaaang!
Who wants to make the 1% bet that the All-New Wasp is not Hope van Dyne?
>>79025488
what the actual fuck happened with that Thor run. I didn't get what it was even trying to do.
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I'm fine with new Wasp, the role was gathering dust, let's give a new character a whirl.
>>79025454
Gamora was some lady novelist on writing iirc
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>>79025496
>Drax 2 23,054
Yeah
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>>79025519
>>79025526
Not novelist, the original GOTG screenwriter.
You know, I'd say novelists have a better track record than TV people, with a few exceptions, like Zeb Wells is TV, right? And sure, novelists gave us Jodi Picoult, but she was out of her depth.
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>>79025493
I'd be surprised if it doesn't drop more to be honest
a LOOOOT of Marvel's books are dropping 50-70% by issue 3
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>>79025436
The only thing Drax has done is retcon the death of Terrax, one of the many former Galactus heralds. Terrax got to play the role of D list character who dies to hype up event for AvX
CM Punk is a big fan of classic Marvel cosmic stuff so he decided to just ignore that
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>>79025519
Oh hey, this was right around the same time as Kang Dynasty.
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>>79025576
>You know, I'd say novelists have a better track record than TV people, with a few exceptions, like Zeb Wells is TV, right? And sure, novelists gave us Jodi Picoult, but she was out of her depth.
Novelists have given us Mieville, Valentine and Daniel Wilson
they have their ups and downs
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>>79025519
>what the actual fuck happened with that Thor run. I didn't get what it was even trying to do.
Somethng happened with Fraction and Marvel, though. For serious, things got weird.
Also obligatory JSA Storytime GENDERBENDER!
>>79025465
>I get the feeling that soon a lot of people who got into Marvel because of the movies and marketing are going to be hitting their "why would you DO THAT" moments soon
That latest marketing report was talking about oversaturation of the market from Marvel. The price hiking and constant relaunches will probably wear people out eventually
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>>79025576
FUCKING OUCH
>>79025584
>CM Punk is a big fan of classic Marvel cosmic stuff
hey, that's cool. At least that stuff has a strong POV and aesthetic to it, you know?
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>>79025436
Well to be "fair", isn't Gamora like an assassin who turned good? Most writers apparently can't even pull that off with Black Widow.
Holy shit, if Natasha ever gets a movie, they had better get their shit together and do it right. NO BEING SAFE.
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>>79025615
Don't forget Joe R. Lansdale
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>>79025615
Tom King technically wrote a novel before getting to write comics
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>>79025615
Percy as well, and DC seems to like him enough to give him something else to do, whereas Wilson has that weird licensed thing but IMO it was pretty clear he was dumped off E2S
>>79025627
Gamora's roots and fishnets are in this kind of gonzo space barbarian stuff that they're really chicken about embracing these days, so I can see a problem with working out a new angle, although you'd think they'd just start from Bendis and bland out a story.
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>>79025623
>That latest marketing report was talking about oversaturation of the market from Marvel. The price hiking and constant relaunches will probably wear people out eventually
I've seen many retailers saying that people are treating the new #1s as jumping OFF points because newer fans don't understand why the relaunches
combine that with "what are you doing I don't like this" and I can see why these numbers aren't going to be sustainable
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>>79025623
God I'm so curious about the behind the scenes shit with Fraction and Inhumans
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>>79025665
Good ol'Lansdale
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>>79025682
King is, like, a hardcore comics nerd, so he didn't have the same kind of transition into "what is comics script/pacing?" that novelists clearly do.
Chuck Wendig is writing Hyperion for Marvel, who knows what that'll be like.
>>79025704
ME TOO
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>>79025704
It sunds like a well worn tale into mediocrity
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>>79025465
>I get the feeling that soon a lot of people who got into Marvel because of the movies and marketing are going to be hitting their "why would you DO THAT" moments soon
Oh they should just wait until Civil War II
Let them see the character assassination that occurs during events and how often books get hijacked for tie ins.
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>>79025626
Yeah I think Silver Surfer is one of those characters that Marvel's old school melodrama really works for.
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>>79025689
>Percy as well, and DC seems to like him enough to give him something else to do, whereas Wilson has that weird licensed thing but IMO it was pretty clear he was dumped off E2S
Yeah he has an OGN coming up for DC but nothing else that I've heard (and hopefully won't hear, good riddance)
The fact that they didn't announce Abnett was taking over E2 like they did Seely on NSS and Pak on TT makes me think they're going to cancel E2S at 12
>>79025682
He worked for both Marvel and DC before he became CIA, he just didn't get to actually write comics until last year
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>>79025615
>they have their ups and downs
Yeah, I liked Brad Meltzer's Green Arrow arc, but then Identity Crisis came like a suckerpunch.
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>>79025689
>gonzo space barbarian stuff
That explains the ridged brow. That sounds interesting though, so of course because of whatever bullshit reason, they don't do that.
I'd read a book about a space barbarian chick. Do it Jack Kirby style and it could go somewhere.
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>>79025149
To this day, I don't get why this is a hard concept to get. Its been 20 years since Dragonball Z did the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, the idea of "20 years in there, a few months out here" shouldn't take forever to explain!
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Hi OP. I still have to read yesterday's thread, but I have two questions.
1. Is the Charcoal that's with the Bolts the same guy that was with the group who took over a town? How did he end up joining them after running away?
2. Was all the golden age stuff referred to in V Battalion things that actually happened in comics ages ago, or is it like Sentry's backstory where he was there "all along" but not until he showed up in the modern day?
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>>79025802
Hell, Narnia is how old?
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>>79025722
kek, the big stick comes out
>>79025753
Oh gosh I am SO excited for all the n00bs hitting their first event. Secret Wars was not nearly traumatic enough, reset button hit hard.
does this make me a sociopath?
>>79025793
You've seen her older costumes, right?
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>>79025211
Wasn't one of Loeb's excuses that Hank and Jan's relationship was toxic? That's literally the healthiest their relationship has been in 90% of their depictions.
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>>79025829
He ran away and was all "I saw you guys, and, well, you know..."
Unsure on the Golden Age stuff.
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>>79025840
4 thousand or so
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>>79025841
The noobs need to toughen up. Nothing like a good trial by fire to build character.:p
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>>79025699
That's exactly it. Sure, relaunch the title after a well-earned 50-100 issue run with a new #1, but don't fucking relaunch it in under 10 issues with the SAME FUCKING CREATIVE TEAM.
Also it makes talking about comics and recommending them nearly incomprehensible.
>it happened in Remender's run. No not that one. No the other one. No, see, this is issue #5 of volume four, you want issue #5 of volume THREE
Basically you need to memorize trade titles to recommend anything.
>>79025689
>Gamora's roots and fishnets are in this kind of gonzo space barbarian stuff that they're really chicken about embracing these days,
Fuck them, that was the best part of Marvel cosmic, marrying this insane space opera style with modern Star Wars stuff. And then they give the titles to a bunch of people with the imagination of a tadpole.
>>79025704
Fraction must have blown up at someone. There's no way he'd get booted at that point in time if he didn't fuck up. The alternative I can see is that he had a breakdown and it was quieted up.
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>>79025841
>does this make me a sociopath?
Nope.
It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Fuck Godhead
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>>79025900
>he had a breakdown and it was quieted up.
Almost positive he talked about having some health issues
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>>79025900
Now I'm imagining Fraction coloring his hand blue, placing it on a sheet of paper, and then passing out.
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>>79025900
>Basically you need to memorize trade titles to recommend anything.
I also noticed they named some of the trades of books that got relaunched after like 4 issues Vol 0!
>>79025841
>Oh gosh I am SO excited for all the n00bs hitting their first event. Secret Wars was not nearly traumatic enough, reset button hit hard.
same
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>>79025878
Thanks. Charcoal's fucking brutal, I love it.
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>>79025900
I think it was serious irreconcilable differences with heavy meddling From Above because we desperately have to Make Inhumans Happen, maybe combined with his tendency to get depressed and stop turning shit in.
Whereas Soule, that motherfucker's a lawyer--he knows how to turn shit in even if it's not something you're proud of. (Academics all envy the people who can make themselves do that, btw)
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>>79025841
>Does this make me a sociopath?
It make you dead inside. If you were a sociopath, you probably wouldn't be worried about it. You still love your nieces, right? Then you're good.
>>79025870
>Hank and Jan's relationship is toxic
Again, the way to resolve this is to write it as healthy. Have it so that they've moved on from past issues.
The reason for the "toxic relationship" thing is because so many writers refuse to let it the fuck go.
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>>79025964
Yeah!
>>79025964
FINALLY, Fixer knows what to do.
>>79025957
Charcoal started out extremely mellow for someone who'd been experimented on by an evil empire, and then Jolt's assassination hit him really hard.
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>>79025829
>2. Was all the golden age stuff referred to in V Battalion things that actually happened in comics ages ago,
Uh, sort of? A lot of it is retroactive continuity. Some of it was created for this series by Busiek and Nicieza, and some of it was implemented by Roy Thomas in Invaders about 20 years before this comic.
Citizen V is an actual golden age character, though. He appeared in only a couple of stories in Daring Mystery/Comedy Comics in the early 40's. He did have a "V-Battallion" of brave resistance fighters helping him out in those comics too, though.
The golden age Citizen V was created by an unknown writer and Ben Thompson who was a frequent contributor to Funnies Inc. He was the artist on the golden age Ka-Zar strip for example which was (arguably) the third most popular strip in Marvel Mystery comics.
I uh. Did I lose you anon? Please let me know if I need to explain more clearly.
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>>79025986
>The reason for the "toxic relationship" thing is because so many writers refuse to let it the fuck go.
Hank/Tigra in AA was so good in part because it was finally not retreading that old shit, again and again. IIRC Hank and Jan had finally been fine with each other or at least amicable pre-Bendis, but I could be wrong.
>>79025996
Also, this Citizen V costume is new for Thunderbolts.
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>>79025689
Why do people hate Gonzo so much these days?
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>>79026034
FUCK YEAH
I LOVE THE THUNDERBOLTS LOGO
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>>79025900
>And then they give the titles to a bunch of people with the imagination of a tadpole
I feel like people are trying to reign in the Marvel universe. You can't have loose strands, everything needs to tie together in direct and boring ways
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>>79025900
>Basically you need to memorize trade titles to recommend anything.
Which is why I don't get why more books don't just name the arc on the cover/solicit from the get go. Most of the time we don't know the name of the trade until solicits roll in but if we get it from the solicit of the first issue of the trade then it'll get more ingrained in our minds.
Look at this cover. It's beautiful
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>>79025996
No, makes total sense. I appreciate your taking the time to type it up.
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>>79026049
>>79026052
that's why I'm surprised they're letting Tom King do as edgy of things with Vizh as they are (I love it because it does have him doing some genuinely questionable things), and killing Namor isn't terribly safe either, but lots of other things are no risk at all.
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>>79025986
>The reason for the "toxic relationship" thing is because so many writers refuse to let it the fuck go.
>They've always had a rocky relationship before
>they're kinda on good terms now, what should we do? should we keep developing it?
>nah that's boring let's just rehash the same cheap drama they've always had!
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>>79026107
SO, I was thinking, guys--we keep on with the Bolts until Fightbolts, we go read Threeboot, then we come back for Avengers/Bolts/New Thunderbolts/Born Better/etc.
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>>79026139
Also like only a few issues of this run are digital/on MU, which is disappointing.
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>>79026072
>Which is why I don't get why more books don't just name the arc on the cover/solicit from the get go.
You know what's sick? The Culling did that. The only intelligent thing that actually happened with that piece of shit arc.
>>79026083
>I appreciate your taking the time to type it up.
Comrade has the remarkable talent to type ridiculously fast with huge walls of text about fucking ANYTHING. It's why we like him.
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>>79025986
>The reason for the "toxic relationship" thing is because so many writers refuse to let it the fuck go.
Literally the worst thing about comics
At some point you'd think they'd have to stop rehashing things and develop it further, but no. Most of the time they just do the same drama later
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>>79026107
Just you wait until it turns out that Vision is the hero who needs killing and his book ends by tying into Civil War 2. Marvel's heavy support behind it is suspicious.
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>>79026157
>>79026171
hoot hoot
I got to visit my sister's slutty cat today, always a good thing.
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>>79026139
Sound good to me. Of course I'm a newbie so those names are all over my head, but whatever you want to do.
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>>79026110
>>79026177
I'm still mad about Hal/Carol
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>>79026195
>implying they don't just want to steal King
>implying they aren't panicking upon hearing news of DC's two superstar writers having a project with him
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>>79026072
Been saying for years people need to start taking the cue from Hellboy/the Brubaker/Phillips stuff.
>>79026107
i'm terrified/convinced Viz is gonna be involved with the kick off to Civil War 2.tfw She Hulk rips him in half again
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>>79026110
Wasn't Shooter's reasoning for the slap being left in that it was a difficult, but real, thing for the characters to work though?
I wonder what he felt when/if he saw Ultimate Hank and Jan
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>>79026202
Threeboot=where we left off in the Legion of Super Heroes
Fightbolts=extremely weird derailing of the book still under the Thunderbolts title, will require alcohol
>>79026195
HMMM
Not to mention that Vizh is the easiest thing in the world to resurrect, so no real harm no foul
>>79026212
me too
me fucking too
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>>79026240
>tfw Carolrips his wife and children in half
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>>79026034
>Also, this Citizen V costume is new for Thunderbolts.
Yep, the original Citizen V was a guy in a Khaki shirt, a cap worn at a jaunty angle, a domino mask... and short-shorts. They pussied out when they drew him for some flashbacks in Tbolts though and gave him pants.
If Citizen V wants to show off his beautiful sculpted calves, let him.
>>79026052
Yeah. I mean that happened in the old comics to to a degree, but this is stale "only stuff that goes into movies matter" stuff. Movies are by their very nature limited. Comics have NO limit. You are adapting your artform with unlimited potential to impose limitations on it which literally do not exist.
Fuck that shit.
>>79026083
No problem.
It's a good rule of thumb to assume with any marvel stuff referencing the golden age that it is newly written stuff inserted in that era. There was no Invaders team in the 40's comics, for example. Cap wasn't frozen in an iceberg at the end of World War II. And so on.
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>>79026251
and they did! Trial of Yellowjacket is a great arc
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>>79026217
Sad DC has become has breeding ground for marvel talent.
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>>79026107
>killing Namor isn't terribly safe eithe
I know everyone jokes around about character deaths having no meaning in comics, but with Marvel it's 100% true. Not just because they kill of a character in every shitty event only to bring that character back 6-12 months later, but because you get to titles like Vision and the character narrates how "oh, I've actually tried having my own little family with kids and all before. But then my kids died. And so did my wife. And so did I. Now my ex wife is alive and has her own ongoing. I'm alive too and I think I' going to give that family thing another try"
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>>79026110
>>79026177
Yeah, unfortunately bad comics writing in a nutshell. Every character/team has their signature cliche that writers fall back on. In Jan and Hank's case, it's relationship drama.
>>79026199
>my sister's slutty cat
......
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>>79026072
>character name
>issue number
>arc name
>part of the arc
Hey guys we've solved the problem on how not to confuse casuals
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>>79026072
After we got stuck on Namek, I am immediately rage/fear at anything that calls something "Part 1" and doesn't say "of three" or whatever.
>>79026280
I believe in Warp! no one has pants.
>>79026309
The non-safe thing about killing Namor is not that he's dead, it's that it was a very deliberate choice by the protagonists, IMO.
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>>79026288
Honestly my knowledge of Avengers is pretty much limited to second hand exposure. The Roger Stern and Kurt Busiek runs are both things I keep saying I'll get around to reading
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>>79026251
Didn't he try to cover it up by saying the artist misunderstood his instructions and made the hit look a lot harder than it was supposed to?
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>>79026316
He's an extremely lovey cat who comes up to you, talks, sits in your lap, and wants you to watch him eat.
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>>79026344
I get what you're saying but death has no weight in Marvel. Remember Namor and Black Panther and how quickly they became chums again?
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>>79026344
>After we got stuck on Namek, I am immediately rage/fear at anything that calls something "Part 1" and doesn't say "of three" or whatever.
yeah I don't like not knowing how long a clearly chaptered arc is meant to be
and then you have shit like Wolverines being a 3.99 weekly that didn't have the endpoint announced
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>>79026377
I believe the story goes
> The script called for a push
> the artist was used to exaggerated action so a push became a punch
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>>79026316
>Every character/team has their signature cliche that writers fall back on.
Did somebody say Batman and his stupid thickheadedness about people around him and needing their help
I swear the batfamily has broken up like twice in the past five years
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>>79026379
>>79026420
If you have to--have to--you put on an Epilogue.
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>>79026344
>Karla's actions in the Graviton arc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKhOvBNakM
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>>79026448
d'awwwww
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>>79026344
>I am immediately rage/fear at anything that calls something "Part 1" and doesn't say "of three" or whatever.
Ah, yeah, that's a real worry. If it's not stated in interviews or solicits then yeah it should have it on the cover too.
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>>79026468
Hahaha
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>>79026472
fucking Tom Taylor, "The Dark Age" into "The Kryptonian" with NO END
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>>79026510
>>79026468
that's a lot of mudcrabs
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>>79026268
We don't have the version that would anymore, though.
>>79026257
>names and >>79026280
TIL
Oh, another question. Is Nomad-as-Scourge the same Scourge who killed all the D-listers that The Hood brought back right before Frankencastle, or was that a different guy?
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>>79025986
No Anon, you don't get it. That version of their relationship was FINE. They had their problems in personality, because she was a gleeful superhero and he was a pacifist who would rather stick to science, but they clearly loved each other.
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>>79026527
>>79026588
Different guy
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>>79026612
will this charisma roll work
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>>79026588
>Is Nomad-as-Scourge the same Scourge who killed all the D-listers that The Hood brought back right before Frankencastle, or was that a different guy?
Different guy. Scourge was always a serial identity, even in the original story arc there were a bunch of Scourges.
Nomad-Scourge has a different financier/backer than the original, though.
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>>79026603
I know, I was just responding to the general sentiment that their relationship is "toxic". EMH almost seemed to go out of its way to avoid all the usual bullshit, and all the better for it. They got to be a normal couple for once.
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>>79026706
Zemo, that's a slip of the tongue
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>>79026787
AHAHA wow
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>>79026809
YOU MADE HER MAD
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>>79026212
Daily reminder that they broke up in literally the first arc of the new writer, after Johns got them back together in his last issue.
That takes some fucking titanium balls.
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>>79026927
that bottom center panel is kind of unfortunate.
Zirch tweeted today about being in a Hot Topic and seeing a metric fuckload of Deadpool stuff that he drew
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>>79026957
>that bottom center panel is kind of unfortunate.
There's an awful lot of sweating Melissa panels. And now we have an... er
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>>79026809
Graviton. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You're a fucking idiot.
This is a bit of a shame, cause I was kinda hoping for a scene goes to track Deanna down and talk with her about stuff. What stuff, l I'm not sure, but stuff nonetheless.
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>>79026957
>he goes into Hot Topic
Dropped
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>>79026957
well goodness
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>>79026510
oh, I also found out that Taylor started working on Edge of Oblivion BEFORE Bunn knew that they were cutting Lost Army short and Bunn only heard about it when EVS said he was drawing a GL mini
So... yeah, nice editorial oversight there
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>>79026953
>Implying Johns isn't an old hat at retconning events in GL.
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>>79027003
He has kids. There's shit you do sometimes when you have kids.
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>>79027013
I wonder who the editors areBerganza?
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>>79026953
Not just the first arc, it was Venditti's FIRST FUCKING ISSUE
In a year and a half Carol went from "I have a nice stable life on Earth and I can't wait for Hal to propose" to "we're breaking up because reasons! I want to dick around in space too but not with you!" and dating Kyle also for no reason, there wasn't any fucking explanation whatsoever
goddammit I mad
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NUFF SAID
>>79027013
wow, that's pretty shitty
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>>79027083
This was the line-wide silent issue month
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>>79026979
She's a couple lines away from doing a bong hit.
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>>79027047
>Group Editor: Berganza
>Book editor: Cotton
>Assisstant editor: Marino
on BOTH BOOKS
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>>79026927
>A world that fears them.... distrusts them.
Oi. Don't get cheeky, narrator.
>>79026979
>sweating Songbird.jpg
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>>79027116
>line-wide silent issue month
???
>>79027123
I don't know if Marino is shit or not, but dang the other two
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>>79027083
The Busiek Avengers Nuff Said issue was pretty great. It's the one where Wasp surrenders to Kang during Kang dynasty.
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>>79027123
Cotton's editing GLC, too?
motherfucker, he hasn't shit up TT/WW/E2S enough?
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>>79027156
Every book this month was a silent issue.
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>>79027156
Every Marvel series issue was silent that month
>that fucking Doop issue
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>>79027186
oh gosh, that Bagley Songbird
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>>79027166
Cotton is on EOO, yeah
that's also the trio that's editing Sinestro so who fucking knows how that ended up as good as it is
Marino and Berganza (Hasn't Berganza fucked over Hal enough by now, jesus christ) are listed on GL, but not Cotton
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>>79027201
>>79027196
Why is Doop so great but he is
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>>79027083
That's a pretty sweet cover.
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>>79027201
He draws her so...moe.
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>>79027069
It was good man and cute.
Why Venditti?
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>>79027201
>oh gosh, that Bagley Songbird
Yeah, this art is... wonky, to put it nicely.
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>>79027243
Carol also deserved to be written consistently between writers for once but NOPE
between Johns, Venditti and Jordan she feels like three different characters (and surprise, two of them suck)
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>>79027213
Love?
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So was there any particular reason for this silent issue gimmick?
Cause that's a pretty random ass gimmick.
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>>79027258
she's so moe
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>>79027332
Keep their creative teams on their oes?
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>>79027332
It was printed February 2002 if that's any hint. I can't really think of any happening IRL that'd inspire it.
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>>79026763
Wait I didn't miss Zemo telling them that it was him, did I? That's just him slipping up and being blatant, right?
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>>79027399
flashback
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>>79027410
He can't help himself, yeah.
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>>79027448
Aha, this is where the sound beastie came from
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>>79027416
>>79027448
Did we do Thunderbolts minus 1? Did we do the Captain America/Citizen V annual?
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>>79027616
Way back, I think so.
The Miinus 1 we missed.
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>>79027824
wait, what?
thanks for reading, owls! more tomorrow!
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>>79027888
Thanks op
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>>79027888
thanks OP!
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>>79027888
Thanks for storytime as always!
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>>79027479
Called it!
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>>79027888
Oh grand. Anti-Matter Universe Thunderbolts.
Also note that nobody went to save Meteorite, she's probably still orbiting the planet. Dead of suffocation.
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>>79027888
Thanks OP!
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>>79027888
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.
This will probably make sense next time, though probably not.
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>>79027888
OH, btw remember that guy who writes for CBR, was it White, who was all Marvel can do no wrong and the like, about gay X-Men and other things?
He also writes/has written FOR MARVEL. Shock.
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>>79027991
>He also writes/has written FOR MARVEL. Shock.
He has? What's he written?
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>>79027946
Beetle tried to... and she died horribly.
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>>79028017
I mean for their website, so you get stuff like this
http://marvel.com/news/comics/24182/the_thunderbolts_strike_in_90s_by_the_numbers
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>>79028023
>>79027946
RIP Redeemer lesbians.
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>>79028068
ohhh. well, he's a huge Marvelfag, not surprised they'd hire him for their website lists
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>>79028104
I know it's not some huge conflict of interests, but it's a bit skeezy to write for a company and write about them, imo.
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>>79028212
>>79028212
Considering he's a freelancer I don't think so.
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>>79028233
>Asst. Editor at @CBR
I have no idea what that means in terms of pay, association, etc.
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>>79029083
Doesn't he mostly write editorial/opinion articles on CBR anyway? nobody's asking for his unbiased thoughts
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Whoo, finally finished the previous thread.
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>>79023998
>>79024047
Is it implying Meteorite wet herself in fear? I can't see why they'd use that phrasing otherwise.
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>>79032928
It does seem to be rather heavily suggesting it.
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>>79025126
Pleasantly surprised by how many faces I was able to put a name to. Seems odd that Namor want included, though. Was he dead at the time?
>>79033622
Can you blame her?
RIP Redeemers
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>>79025964
>Gravy-train
Fuck I read that as Gravity-tan.
Uguu.
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>>79033769
>Seems odd that Namor want included, though. Was he dead at the time?
He's right by Thor's hammer, Anon.
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>>79024927
I didn't know Beetle was a black dude
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>>79035051
>>79033769
>Namor
sob
;_;
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>>79024476
What a horrible death.
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>>79036068
Holy shit, all of them died such horrible deaths. That was like torture porn, what the fuck.
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>>79024778
I get the feeling that these characters were super unpopular when they took over.
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>>79035793
He isn't, he racebended himself.
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>>79025411
To me Loki should really be about mischief AND murder, but I don't mind this fractured identity stuff for him at all.
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>>79024469
I like Power Girl because she's an abrasive jackass. I don't like when writers look at her costume and decide to make her personality BOOBS LMAO.
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>>79024593
The worst was D-Man.
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>>79025149
I think people were also mad he wrote Sharon Carter killing a child and then dying.
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>>79036152
>>79036078
I'm suspecting they were introduced to die. Other than Beetle who was a pre-existing character.
>>79036552
I felt the worst for U.S Archer, honestly. But Tigra creeped me out more
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Jolt and Charcoal were the Hazmat and Mettle of their day.
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>>79035793
He wasn't.
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>>79036552
D-Man got shit on in the Revengers plotline, along with Atlas. Very true.
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>>79036827
thanks to the internet, I didn't have to go digging for this
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>>79040923
Mantis and Molly would have been good picks IMO.
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>>79040923
I still don't get the joke in the Julia/Madame Web panel.
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>>79041216
It's a "I'm applying for this job with incredibly demanding hours but I'm only available not at all" joke.
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>>79041423
I kept thinking there must be more to it because everyone else's is at least kind of tied to their character.
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>>79041504
Maybe also a "I know I'm open at these times and I'm busy other times" because she's psychic?
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>>79025627
>>Well to be "fair", isn't Gamora like an assassin who turned good?
Gamora is Space Red Sonja, except without chastity and with a weird father-daughter relationship with Thanos
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>>79042744
And fishnets.
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>>79041728
Psychic? Like predict-the-future-psychic? Like she can predict the future? Nuh uh, anon. Everyone knows there isn't a psychic who can predict the future in the Marvel universe. The existence of a psychic? A predict-the-future psychic? It would throw the whole universe in a battle of a determination vs. free will. A war. A civil war, if you will. Ever heard of that? Written by me, Bendis.
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>>79023893
RIP in pieces Charcoal. You'll never show up in anything ever again.
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>>79045928
He could always just have re-formed himself, but yeah, we'll never see him again.
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